[00:04] <doctormo> pleia2: Of course, this is the non-evil plan *mwhahah*
[00:05] <doctormo> The problem will be trying to get the BiosElement element done quickly, organising sessions where we would work on it together has been dificult
[00:06] <pleia2> ah :\
[00:06] <pleia2> oh! and I almost forgot, I am not sure lp is properly showing me
[00:06] <pleia2> https://code.launchpad.net/~lyz/ubuntu-learning-materials/lyz
[00:06] <pleia2> it shows you all clickable, but I'm elizabeth@r2d2 (my desktop)
[00:07] <pleia2> what setting do I need to fix?
[00:08] <pleia2> I mean, it's obviously uploading it properly, it's associated with my lp account
[00:08] <pleia2> just something is weird
[00:09] <doctormo> pleia2: You need to identify yourself propperly with launchpad
[00:09] <pleia2> yeah, "bzr launchpad-login lyz" isn't enough
[00:09] <pleia2> seems to do half the job
[00:12] <doctormo> yes
[00:14] <pleia2> so what am I missing? :)
[00:14] <doctormo> ~/.bazaar/authentication.conf should have things, so should ~/.bazaar/bazaar.conf
[00:15] <pleia2> ok, thanks
[00:15] <pleia2> hm, they both are populated
[00:16] <doctormo> http://pastebin.com/ma805088
[00:16] <doctormo> My email section needs to be "exactly" what is in my GPG key Name (Other) <Email>
[00:17] <pleia2> ah, I didn't have an email at all in that file, just launchpad_username
[00:18] <doctormo> http://pastebin.com/m2d313a1e <- added my deb environs
[00:19] <pleia2> ah ok, I had those set in my dev VM but not on my desktop, might as well
[00:20] <pleia2> thank you :)
[03:54] <cprofitt> pleia2,
[03:54] <pleia2> cprofitt: hey
[03:54] <cprofitt> I have not gotten any emails... has the list been silent or am I not getting them?
[03:55] <pleia2> silent
[03:55] <pleia2> latest team reports shows what we're all up to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/TeamReports/09/August
[03:55] <pleia2> under "Current major tasks"
[03:58] <cprofitt> k
[03:58] <cprofitt> looks like I am not pulling my weight
[03:59] <cprofitt> have we decided on the next meeting time?
[03:59] <pleia2> nope
[03:59] <cprofitt> k
[03:59] <cprofitt> can you send me an email so I do not miss it...
[04:00] <cprofitt> I need to get back up to speed
[04:00] <pleia2> sure
[04:00] <pleia2> I'm going to be adding some things to the Task list and sending out a general project status email sometime this week too
[04:00] <pleia2> so I'll make sure I nudge you about that to make sure you get it
[04:01] <cprofitt> thanks...
[04:01] <cprofitt> I have been unable to get any educators even remotely interested in assisting...
[04:01] <pleia2> aw :\
[04:01] <cprofitt> which has been disappointing
[04:02] <cprofitt> http://k12opensource.ning.com/
[04:02] <pleia2> maybe once they see the material that has been produced thus far
[04:02] <cprofitt> I thought the people there would be inclined if not enthused to help
[04:02] <pleia2> ah, not the case?
[04:02] <cprofitt> I got not even one person interested
[04:03] <pleia2> :( shame
[04:03] <cprofitt> yeah...
[04:07] <doctormo> hey cprofitt
[04:07] <cprofitt> hey doctormo
[04:07] <doctormo> I heard you were major busy, is everything going well?
[04:08] <cprofitt> I work in a K-12 and school is about to start
[04:08] <cprofitt> my back-end stuff came in a bit late
[04:08] <cprofitt> and I have been working hard to get it all setup
[04:08] <cprofitt> I 'gave' my employer 12 hours this weekend getting some stuff setup
[04:09] <doctormo> cprofitt: Makes sense, over here we've been working on reinventing teaching skills, course creation and drafting/development workflows.
[04:09] <cprofitt> teaching skills?
[04:09] <cprofitt> yeah... the workflows are very important
[04:10] <cprofitt> I was just telling pleia2 that I have not found a single educator that was willing to review our courses or help use design them
[04:10] <doctormo> cprofitt: You don't think we're all born with them eh? I'm talking mostly about my personal experiments in the classroom, since I'm not a trained teacher I've had to sort of play "try random things" until something seemed to make sense and worked.
[04:10] <cprofitt> which really disappointed me
[04:11] <cprofitt> doctormo, been there and done that...
[04:11] <cprofitt> live training is different than non-live as well...
[04:11] <cprofitt> I wrote a course for the Professional Learning Board -- and they failed to market it well
[04:11] <cprofitt> it was an interesting process though
[04:12] <cprofitt> the women who I worked with is a teacher and helped me really refine the course
[04:12] <doctormo> Of course, and you seem to have some of the know how to impart into the whole thing. It'd be great to get your working with BiosElement on the "How to Teach" course, just as soon as possible.
[04:13] <cprofitt> did bios take a look at the course I found an uploaded?
[04:13] <cprofitt> is that what we are talking about or something more basic?
[04:15] <pleia2> our workflow thus far has been: wiki > bzr > pdf
[04:15] <pleia2> so I think BiosElement is working on that portion
[04:15] <pleia2> then we'll get to the moodle stuff
[04:16] <cprofitt> cool... that sounds like a decent workflow...
[04:16]  * BiosElement heard his name
[04:16] <cprofitt> it would be good to know Moodle as well... make one 'fake' course and see what elements are in it...
[04:16] <cprofitt> and learn how to use some of the tools.
[04:17] <BiosElement> I could probably setup a "testbed" moodle install if that'd be useful on one of my servers
[04:18] <pleia2> there is already a testbed moodle install :)
[04:18] <cprofitt> I think we already have a testbed
[04:18] <cprofitt> and there is a course on how to make a course in Moodle that I got from another Moodle site
[04:19] <cprofitt> I need to get some sleep -- all hell breaks loose in the morning with the return of the teachers
[04:19] <pleia2> best of luck tomorrow :)
[04:19] <cprofitt> they will find tons of 'issues' real and imagined and all want them resolved in 15.3 seconds or less
[04:19] <pleia2> naturally
[04:20] <cprofitt> I will be like Hawkeye in MASH with triage being overwhelmed
[04:20] <cprofitt> it is amazing how an institution focused on learning fails to learn basics like how to make a shortcut
[04:20]  * pleia2 chuckles
[04:21] <cprofitt> I actually got called -- by the lead Mac/Apple tech...
[04:21] <cprofitt> he told me my server was down... because he used the VPN and could not access it.
[04:21] <cprofitt> his VPN gives him access to a network VLAN not 'internal' to the districts
[04:22] <cprofitt> it is inside the firewall, but uses a different DHCP and DNS server...
[04:22] <pleia2> heh
[04:22] <cprofitt> he knew my server was down because he used 'Connect to Server' and it failed
[04:22] <cprofitt> he did not use the fully qualified domain name
[04:22] <cprofitt> you following the issue...
[04:23] <cprofitt> can you understand why I shook my head is utter astonishment
[04:23]  * cprofitt smiles
[04:23] <pleia2> yes :)
[04:23] <cprofitt> so I asked him a real simple question...
[04:23] <cprofitt> did you ping the server...
[04:23] <cprofitt> did you do a traceroute....
[04:23] <cprofitt> the answer was "No."
[04:23] <doctormo> cprofitt: Did you think this was my problem because you couldn't be bothered to think?
[04:24] <doctormo> Sometimes BOFH has the right idea
[04:24] <cprofitt> I have decided he need remedial training on the process of troubleshooting connectivity
[04:24] <cprofitt> lol
[04:24] <pleia2> most people do
[04:24] <pleia2> except then you get "I pinged it!" "the fqdn?" "..no"
[04:24] <cprofitt> this guys is a MCP and certified Apple desktop and server support guy
[04:25] <cprofitt> I gently explained to him... that he was in a space that has a different DNS server...
[04:25] <cprofitt> got "yeah... so"
[04:25] <cprofitt> he then tells me proudly... I still can't connect to it
[04:25] <cprofitt> and I just tried pining it
[04:26] <cprofitt> I think you are going to have problems tomorrow - he proudly says
[04:26] <cprofitt> ... he then makes some quip about how Apples are reliable and stable
[04:26] <cprofitt> ...
[04:27] <cprofitt> mind you in the 11 years I have been running my file servers we have had ZERO unplanned downtime
[04:27] <cprofitt> so... my stuff is stable
[04:27] <cprofitt> I then asked him what name he pinged...
[04:27] <cprofitt> and what IP address the ping reported going too
[04:27] <cprofitt> he was all confused...
[04:28] <cprofitt> now,... I do not know what the GUI network tool shows on a Mac so it may not be his fault
[04:28] <pleia2> heh
[04:28] <cprofitt> but... my lord...
[04:29] <cprofitt> I told him to use the fully qualified domain name... and he tried...
[04:29] <cprofitt> "wow... I can ping it now"
[04:29] <cprofitt> ...
[04:29] <pleia2> hehe "now"
[04:29] <cprofitt> he asked me what it meant that he can not connect to the server but can ping it
[04:29] <cprofitt> I had to hold back mad laughter
[04:30] <pleia2> yeah
[04:30] <cprofitt> I asked him to connect to using the FQDN
[04:30] <cprofitt> then he connected...
[04:30] <cprofitt> he had no understanding even at this point...
[04:30] <cprofitt> he asked me why did that work
[04:30] <pleia2> dns is a concept I find a lot of folks in the mac and windows world have trouble with
[04:30] <cprofitt> here is the question for you guys...
[04:31] <cprofitt> how in heck do I train this guy?
[04:31] <pleia2> I am not sure why it is, I think maybe it's just poorly covered int he certs?
[04:31] <cprofitt> I certainly do not like Microsoft's implementation of the management frontend
[04:32] <pleia2> I don't know, maybe you can practice training by writing the dns course for this team
[04:32]  * pleia2 grins
[04:32] <cprofitt> yeah... perhaps I should do that...
[04:32] <pleia2> hehe
[04:32] <cprofitt> I was thinking more of using a two-by-four
[04:32] <pleia2> lol
[04:32] <cprofitt> but your idea might work...
[04:33] <cprofitt> to be honest... I am not sure how people do not get that...
[04:33] <cprofitt> so writing a course could help me figure out what I need to... so I can train him
[04:33] <pleia2> dns in the wild is a tricky concept to grasp
[04:33] <pleia2> trickles down to being confusing on lans (even though it's much simpler on lans)
[04:33] <cprofitt> mind you that he is the same level as I am -- in the mind of my boss....
[04:34] <cprofitt> I did not have to work with him until we integrated the Apple's with Active Directory
[04:34] <cprofitt> and I am astonished that he can tie his shoes some days
[04:34]  * pleia2 chuckles
[04:35] <pleia2> darn ldap, making us all work together
[04:35] <cprofitt> lol
[04:35] <cprofitt> I started with NDS
[04:35] <cprofitt> then my boss made me switch to AD -- because we could not find any 'Novell guys'
[04:36] <pleia2> sad, but not surprising, I think it happens a lot
[04:36] <cprofitt> then after we have cast the AD move in stone... he hires a guy who used to work for Novell as a support engineer
[04:36] <pleia2> hah!
[04:36] <pleia2> trouble is, AD *seems* cheap to support, but most AD admins I've met scare me
[04:37] <pleia2> "I can't figure this out, I'll just copy the permissions of this admin user and you should be able to do what you need"
[04:37]  * pleia2 cringes
[04:37] <cprofitt> Apple has some decent tools... for OD environments, but it sill lacks real enterprise features
[04:37] <cprofitt> yeah... the AD admins that have no background other than AD are usually pretty... frightening
[04:37] <pleia2> working outside of schools, I hardly ever encounter server-macs
[04:38] <cprofitt> the 'instructor' I had actually told me something was impossible...
[04:38] <cprofitt> and it took me 20 minutes of 'demonstration' (repeated three times) to make him admit he was wrong
[04:38] <pleia2> heh
[04:38] <cprofitt> Apple sucks on the enterprise level support
[04:38] <cprofitt> they are brutally bad
[04:39] <cprofitt> I used to love Apple back in the 80s
[04:39] <cprofitt> but having to deal with them in this job has made me swear that I never want to do business with them
[04:39] <cprofitt> they are worse than Dell support
[04:40] <cprofitt> I need to get some sleep though...
[04:40] <cprofitt> have babble on about the Mac guy for far too long
[04:40] <cprofitt> night all
[04:48] <doctormo> If cprofitt ends up doing DNS, take a start from my networking basics course section, that has a rough start on it
[15:51] <pleia2> doctormo: I think one of the current issues is not everyone reads your blog
[15:52] <doctormo> pleia2: Not everyone should have to, I'm not the only person running this project
[15:52] <pleia2> so I nudge you to update the wiki, but none of your courses have been posted to the mailing list for review, and you don't frequently post links here
[15:52] <pleia2> yeah, so maybe I should take up that task
[15:52] <pleia2> or someone :)
[15:53] <pleia2> just a thought, I think we're just not reaching as many people as we could be, more pushing to more areas to encounter more people will help
[15:54]  * pleia2 has blog entry in the wings about the project
[15:54] <pleia2> was going to include learning update in my post yesterday, but didn't get that far
[15:54] <doctormo> no your right, I'm not perfect with my involvement and I just like everyone else needs prodding and refocusing.
[15:55] <pleia2> :)
[15:55] <doctormo> Although I did post one section to the mailing list for the record.
[15:57] <pleia2> oh, good
[19:58] <{HaRiTh}> hi all
[20:00] <pleia2> hello
[20:00] <{HaRiTh}> hi , how's it going ?
[20:05] <{HaRiTh}> i need a little help with my Wthernet card
[20:05] <{HaRiTh}> Ethernet*
[20:09] <{HaRiTh}> any response ?
[20:20] <pleia2> {HaRiTh}: we're a course development project, #ubuntu is probably a better place for your question
[20:21] <{HaRiTh}> ok
[20:21] <{HaRiTh}> thanks