=== m4v_ is now known as m4v === hggdh_ is now known as hggdh === ecanto is now known as edson [06:34] jono, :) [06:34] hey DKcross :) [06:35] hey jono how are you? [06:37] DKcross, good thanks, you? [06:37] good :D [06:37] testing karmic koala :\ [06:38] are you testing? === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === Ng_ is now known as Ng [10:12] hi [10:12] need some help [10:12] indus: what with? [10:13] ubuntu membership [10:13] i am trying asia oceania region but i dont know how to contact them [10:13] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania [10:13] its not updated and dont list contact info [10:15] indus: they'll be here in 45 mins, if that helps? :) [10:15] oh really? super [10:16] why here? whats today? some meeting? [10:16] indus: "The next meeting is scheduled for 08-Sep-2009, 10:00 UTC and will be held in #ubuntu-meeting" [10:17] indus: you still lost :) [10:17] czajkowski: lol yeah [10:17] hello [10:17] this going on now for about 2 weeks, [10:17] indus: did you contact any of the board members, popey gave you the email address [10:17] czajkowski: ya did 1,but no reply [10:18] czajkowski: so iam not sure if they will attend the meeting today here [10:18] indus: unless the mail is waiting moderation I stil suggest contacting one of the board members and leave them an IRC message or email [10:19] leave an irc message hmm how do i do that [10:19] /msg nick bleugh [10:19] indus: so find a board member on the list, and find user nick on the lp ac [10:20] czajkowski: i think i tried a few,but they dont seem to be in here at some time or other [10:20] indus: there is a link on that page which does have contact details [10:20] there is a melissa draper [10:20] the first link [10:20] wait [10:20] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-membership-board-asia-oceania [10:20] indus: that;s elky [10:20] that lists members of the team, which you can also click on [10:21] to find their irc nicknames, and potentially their email addresses too [10:21] * Daviey notes that "Email: No contact email" should probably be resolved :) [10:21] not really [10:21] you can click the contact link and it will send to all members of the team [10:21] rly? [10:21] ya rly [10:22] Contact this team's owner [10:22] Owner: [10:22] Ubuntu Community Council [10:22] hm [10:22] thats suboptimal :) [10:22] exactly :) [10:22] team owner is mark shuttleworth so i dont want to disturb him [10:22] you dont need to [10:22] the members are listed as I said [10:23] https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-membership-board-asia-oceania/+members#active [10:23] indus: do let us know how you get on, curious after 3 weeks of trying ;) [10:23] fair duce to you [10:24] and to be fair... [10:24] 08:42:29 < indus> guys i need your help [10:24] 08:47:22 < hyperair> wrong place. /join #ubuntu [10:25] that wasn't exactly helpful [10:25] hmm? [10:25] nvm, the moment has passed [10:28] i messaged elky [10:28] cool [10:28] she is away [10:28] i try another maybe [10:28] although you could technically talk to any of the membership boards [10:28] try me :) [10:28] popey: hello ,i need help with membership [10:28] * Daviey wonders if this conversation would be better suited elsewhere :) [10:29] if it's about asia team scheduling then they're best people to speak to, if it's a general membership question I can probably help [10:29] Daviey: hang on [10:29] lets find out what the question is first [10:29] indus: whats the specific details of your required help [10:29] popey: i want to become an ubuntu member [10:29] ok, great! [10:29] !member [10:29] Want to become an Ubuntu member? Look at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember [10:29] thats a good starting page, have you seen it before? [10:29] popey: i followed wiki , and thanks to czajkowski i added all formalities [10:30] indus: you've done all the stuff last week we went through right, the coc, lp ac, and wiki. so you're just needed to sign up to a review board [10:30] ok, great [10:30] so the next step is to choose a board and add your name to their wiki page [10:30] then attend their meeting via irc [10:30] popey: also did [10:30] ok [10:30] popey: asia oceania' [10:30] so whats the question ? :) [10:30] popey: he was trying that, but their pages hasnt been updated to know when the next meeting is on [10:31] the page says its in 30 mins [10:31] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania [10:31] The next meeting is scheduled for 08-Sep-2009, 10:00 UTC and will be held in #ubuntu-meeting on irc.freenode.net. [10:31] its now 09:30 UTC [10:31] hmm interesting, it was updated now i believe [10:31] few hours before it wasnt [10:32] so will meeting be in here then? [10:32] indus: so you're set :) [10:32] wow cool [10:32] it was updated yesterday [10:32] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania?action=diff&rev2=170&rev1=169 [10:32] popey: hmm well, persistence of vision happened to me i think [10:33] hehe [10:33] it happens [10:33] :) ya i was on that page and i kept seeing august 11 [10:33] I tend to subscribe to pages I am interested in [10:33] then I get an email when they get updated [10:33] it's a useful feature of the wiki we use [10:34] so what do you folks do for work [10:36] this isn't really a "chat" channel as such. You might get more/better responses in one of the loco team channels [10:37] hmm i thought ill get to know the members [10:37] nvm [10:37] or indeed #ubuntu-locoteams where pretty much everyone who has spoken in the last hour or so hangs out :) [10:37] popey: but meeting will happen here? [10:37] yes [10:51] who keeps record or minutes of the meeting [10:52] indus: the room is logged [10:52] hmm dpm may have forgotten to change the topic in here since last week [11:01] ok has meeting begun? [11:01] its time isnt it [11:01] indus: not yet, you'll know when its started don't worry [11:01] its 10 utc [11:01] ok i wait [11:02] persia: elky: lifeless: Hi [11:03] aah amachu [11:07] probably they are reviewing my membership :) [11:07] from wiki i mean [11:08] persia, elky, lifeless: Hello [11:12] why does he keep quitting [11:12] connection? [11:13] let me call him [11:18] hi [11:20] indus, Hi [11:21] we need a quorum to continue the meeting [11:22] ok [11:23] persia, elky, lifeless: there? [11:25] so now what [11:25] indus, We need four of us present to take up membership considerations [11:28] indus, else we have to take it up in next meeting [11:28] so why arent anyone here then [11:29] shouldnt someone update on the wiki if they are not available [11:29] next meeting will be when then amachu [11:31] fourth tuesday [11:31] hmm ok but can you be sure there will be at least 4 of you here? [11:32] well, people of the board are from different countries, India, Australia, Japan [11:32] amachu also, what do i need to make my membership application stronger? [11:32] and we cover a vast geography.. [11:32] indus: you are aware that if you don't find it convenient to meet with the Asia/Oceania board you are free to request membership from any of the other two boards [11:33] ziroday: yes aware [11:33] indus: :) [11:33] ziroday: probably ill be trying that next [11:33] indus, your wiki lack references to your claims [11:33] ziroday: just wanted to irritate the asia members first :D [11:33] amachu hmm ok [11:34] amachu wait [11:34] indus, we would like to see more of your Ubuntu specific contributions than rest [11:34] amachu well , all of the workshops we do ,the focus is on ubuntu [11:34] and some testimonials favouring your membership or people present here at the time of meeting to endorse your work [11:35] amachu and we distribute cds to all of them, and now, we are supporting mozilla service week with free ubuntu installs [11:35] maybe ill add ngoinabox site link to wiki? [11:35] indus, not here, make it in the wiki, and turn back next time.. [11:35] i was afraid of spam so i didnt [11:35] Ngo in a box? [11:35] yeah [11:35] you know of it? [11:35] we regret for the caused to you, time [11:36] indus: pop into -locoteams or -ngo will you, meeting isn't going to take place in here [11:36] we regret for the inconvenience caused to you, this time [11:36] ya ok np [11:37] bye folks [11:37] amachu thanks [11:38] indus, you are welcome :-) [13:03] oh crap, sorry. a friend was flying through and i forgot it was this tuesday :( === zul_ is now known as zul === fader|away is now known as fader_ === imlad|away is now known as imlad === marjomercado is now known as marjo [14:00] Hola [14:01] I didnt think Michael was on leave [14:01] hi [14:02] plars, ogra, dyfet: ping [14:02] yep, here [14:02] moop [14:02] here [14:02] Hey Brad [14:03] hi [14:03] njpatel: Hey! [14:03] #startmeeting [14:03] Meeting started at 08:03. The chair is lool. [14:03] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [14:03] hey hey [14:03] Crap the meeting link is out of date [14:03] Imagine https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090908 here [14:04] four-oh-four [14:04] I'll co NCommander's items [14:04] StevenK: Hence the need for your imagination :) [14:05] GrueMaster isn't here eithre [14:05] dyfet: You had an action to get lxde-meta sponsored [14:06] But I understand that's blocked on the FFE? [14:06] Yes [14:06] Ok; that's all we had for last week [14:06] Moving to specs review [14:06] [topic] specs review [14:06] New Topic: specs review [14:06] http://piware.de/workitems/mobile/karmic/report.html [14:06] LINK received: http://piware.de/workitems/mobile/karmic/report.html [14:06] The graph looks better for various reasons [14:07] mobile-unr-karmic-applications > needs gruemaster to comment [14:07] StevenK: Do you know whether gwibber is going in desktop or not after all? [14:07] lool: I do not [14:07] bjf: mobile-karmic-marvell-desktop > are you aware of any work with respect to CONFIG_s which is still pending? [14:08] bjf: or are there any reported issues with the dove kernel in karmic? [14:08] ogra: Only an oem-config item remaining for this spec to be completed for karmic: mobile-arm-karmic-offline-installer-gui [14:08] lol, no issues that I'm aware of, continue to look at CONFIG_s but at this point we are probably good [14:08] yep [14:08] ogra: Could you get to that today so that we can mark it implemented? [14:08] no [14:08] lool, ** [14:08] bjf: excellent thanks [14:09] bjf: Yeah it wasnt very funny so I figured it was for me [14:09] i need a lot of test builds for that, its very time consuming [14:09] mobile-karmic-armel-toolchain > looking good; no big regressions except oo.o [14:09] lool, 6am here, just woke up, can't type yet [14:09] ogra, dyfet: Did you notice any other regression in the ftbfs lists? [14:09] * ogra ponders to defer the oem-config stuff in favor of qemu-arm-static [14:09] Or is oo.o the only package hit by the toolchain changes? [14:10] eigen seems to have probs [14:10] ogra: new problems? [14:10] not sure thats toolchain though [14:10] nope [14:10] ok [14:10] StevenK: You were testing wubi with UNR but that failed [14:10] StevenK: Did that get fixed? [14:10] eglibc ftbfs but doko preferred to care for that [14:10] and gst-pliguns-good [14:10] Actually doko sent a list of work items on glibc [14:10] no either.... [14:11] *plugins [14:11] I'm happy to share it if some people have time to take care of some of them [14:11] lool: Not as I'm aware, I'll talk to evand about it [14:11] StevenK: Do we have a bug for the unr wubi issue? [14:12] lool: No, I don't think so [14:12] moblin remix > I just updated status, we asked for a FFE to allow merges into karmic [14:13] StevenK: Could you please file one asap? [14:13] lsb-compliance > seems to lack A5 update; need gruemaster to clarify [14:13] unr-translations > I've sent merge requests for all translated modules [14:14] plars: mobile-unr-karmic-compliance-autotesting > on track for A6? [14:14] lool: yes [14:14] just adding tests at this point [14:15] plars: There were some chats about updating test plans and getting coverage reports on execution of test cases for Ubuntu alphas; are the UNR and ARM testcases/test plans on http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/ already? [14:15] this was between mdz and qa + release teams IIRC [14:15] plars, since you do a lot of checkbox stuff, did you ever test checkbox on babbage or dove ? [14:15] lool: I was unaware of that... testplans are on testcases.qa, individual tests are mostly going into checkbox [14:16] plars: Ok [14:16] ogra: yes, I do use checkbox on armel as well [14:16] intresting, how does it work ? [14:16] plars: I think we want the test plans to be in very good shape for next alpha [14:16] except for some things [14:16] i.e. boot loader test, etc... obvious stuff [14:16] given neither dove nor imx51 expose a pci bus [14:16] Cause it's going to be a big focus that we actually test each test case in full [14:16] so i guess it wont find much HW [14:17] mobile-karmic-arm-cloud-builds > no progress, i suck :-( [14:17] ogra: right, it would just miss some things like that in the report [14:17] smoe things ? :) [14:17] pci [14:17] like all hardware ? :) [14:17] usb should work [14:17] right [14:17] disks, etc [14:18] Any other questions for spec review? [14:18] [topic] UNR status [14:18] New Topic: UNR status [14:19] StevenK: I think we're pretty much up to date with seeds [14:19] Indeed [14:19] I just checked and didn't see any functional change since evo-couch [14:19] StevenK: I think you can readd some langpacks just like the desktop team did [14:19] we're at 680M [14:19] Hmm actually is 712730624 oversize? [14:20] njpatel: So 5 new tarballs released today IIUC [14:20] StevenK said he will pick them up [14:20] * ogra wonders if we should bump armel to 1G ... we're still using .img there and thats unlikely to change any time soon [14:20] lool: yep, definitely by EOD [14:20] so we could ship an extra ton of langs [14:20] lool: will mail you, steve and ubuntu-mobile as per usual [14:20] We want translations if possible since otherwise you'll have to reroll tarballs == pain [14:20] njpatel: Ok cool [14:21] ogra: Not sure, 700 M might be the actual limit [14:21] not for .img [14:21] StevenK: Could you please check that and perhaps add langpacks [14:21] i changed that weeks ago [14:21] ogra: oh for ARM, sure [14:21] .img files are 1G [14:21] feel free [14:21] will need some seed fiddling [14:21] I was discusing *UNR* status which is why I was confused [14:21] lool: I'll check tomorrow [14:22] StevenK: k thanks [14:22] Any other business related to UNR? [14:22] [topic] Ubuntu Moblin Remix [14:22] New Topic: Ubuntu Moblin Remix [14:22] (feel free to bring up anything I forget to cover and I'll reschedule it) [14:22] bfiller: Hey [14:22] bfiller: thanks for joining [14:22] OK. Today empathy update breaks the build and gnome-menu updates breaks moblin-menu [14:22] So with paulliu we had a plan to move stuff to karmic [14:22] But still waiting on FFE :-( [14:22] I'll fix it tomorrow. Or the day after tomorrow. I have a session on FAE sprint tomorrow. [14:23] lool: what is FFE? [14:23] I'll poke motu-release at weekly release meeting if we dont get the FFE before that [14:23] Feature freeze Execption [14:23] bfiller: feature freeze exception [14:23] lool: thanks [14:23] for the addition of the moblin packages to karmic [14:23] bfiller: I think you wanted me to make the OEM moblin PPA public [14:23] For packages that cannot uploaded, I'll compile a list of patches and see which patches is *good* to go into karmic packages. [14:23] bfiller: But as I wrote in my mail, paulliu told me it had some non-distributable bits [14:23] like flash and what not [14:24] lool: flash is ok to be in public ppa, just can't be in the ubuntu repos because it's not open source [14:24] paulliu: Ok; I think we want some wiki page like the one for new packages [14:24] paulliu: With a list of patches added to each packages and a comment on go/no-go [14:24] lool: Yes, I'll write it in the same page. [14:24] lool, paulliu : was there anything else in the private ppa that worried you? [14:24] bfiller: Aha [14:24] bfiller: I think paulliu also mentionned non-free drivers [14:25] bfiller: broadcom drivers? Is it ok to open it? [14:25] lool: WRT Wubi bug, bug #426238 (already filed) [14:25] Launchpad bug 426238 in wubi "ubuntu fails to boot after install." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/426238 [14:25] StevenK: thanks [14:25] bfiller: I didn't find it in our kernel. Maybe we should send it to kernel team? [14:25] lool: right, bcmwl-kernel-source is what we are using and it's ok, it's in ubuntu, I'll remoe the the other broadcom package as no longer using it [14:26] paulliu: it's in restricted: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=bcmwl-kernel-source\ [14:26] bfiller: ok. Thanks. [14:26] [action] bfiller to remove bcmwl-kernel-source and give a quick check over the private PPA's contents [14:26] ACTION received: bfiller to remove bcmwl-kernel-source and give a quick check over the private PPA's contents [14:26] paulliu: oops, ignore trailing slahs [14:26] slash [14:26] [action] lool to switch moblin p3a to public [14:26] ACTION received: lool to switch moblin p3a to public [14:27] bfiller: We wanted you to check whether we could use the OEM tracker to compare PPA with karmic [14:27] bfiller: Does it turn out to be possible? [14:27] lool: the package for me to release is broadcom-wl, that is unused, bcmwl-kernel-sources will stay [14:27] lool: sorry, meant to remove [14:27] ok; cant edit the action but you'll know what to do :) [14:27] lool: I haven't check with Cody yet, will do this today [14:27] bfiller: Can you please ping me when PPA is ok to be made public? [14:27] lool: sure [14:27] bfiller: Ok; carrying over [14:28] Any other business with Moblin? [14:28] bfiller: Anybody else should be added to ~ubuntu-moblin? [14:29] lool: just fyi - the guys from Intel who have been working with OEM group are testing out u-m-r for karmic [14:29] bfiller: Any comments so far? [14:29] lool: I asked them to file bugs in the ~ubuntu-moblin project with issues they find [14:29] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-moblin/+members [14:29] lool: do you have to be a member to file bug? I don't believe you do but wanted to check [14:29] bfiller: (Project is ubuntu-moblin-remix I think) thanks! [14:29] bfiller: you dont [14:30] bfiller: you're typically a member if you're interested in tracking bugs in UMR [14:30] lool: ok, no comments yet but expect some soon, they are very intersted in moblin compliance [14:30] that is, you'll receive bug mail for important moblin bugs === UBot-tn is now known as MaWaLe [14:30] bfiller: We didnt do any effort in testing it yet but I guess we could ask Tobin to look into it [14:30] lool: haven't tried umr yet, does it boot into moblin ui yet? [14:31] Yes [14:31] lool: cool [14:31] Since 8 days or so [14:31] that's great, I will try it today [14:31] bfiller: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-moblin-remix/daily-live/current/ as usual [14:31] bfiller, paulliu: thanks [14:31] [topic] review of >= high bugs [14:31] New Topic: review of >= high bugs [14:31] canonical-mobile > none [14:31] [link] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+bugs?field.subscriber=ubuntu-armel [14:32] LINK received: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+bugs?field.subscriber=ubuntu-armel [14:32] ooo > ccheney asked upstream for help and will look into it since he didn't get any reply [14:32] I suggested using porter box and plars has setup remote access [14:32] yep, ready if/when he wants to use it [14:32] 422101 initramfs-tools > ogra? It seems your initial debug was incomplete says the bgu? [14:32] probably a pretty slow option though [14:33] plars: I did setup my b2.5 for remote access now though, even if slow [14:33] lool, yes, i will take care for it this week [14:33] 359049 udeb kernel filenames > I raised this for kernel sprint [14:33] bjf: This is for you and/or amitk to fix during sprint or earlier, but really easy [14:33] 391588 banshee > dyfet/ogra? [14:34] dyfet ? [14:34] lool, ack [14:34] 420447 sound on babbage > also kernel sprint [14:34] 423767 enable rt3070sta driver > in progress [14:34] unusable it seems [14:35] 424400 mac address of usb nics > not reproducible; needs gruemaster to sort out [14:35] I dont have an update other than I was having trouble with debugging the native parts of mono and have yet to see the original issue reported, I hope to have something new on this though when I can test it in a live desktop rather than a xnest, though [14:35] dyfet: You dont have a native desktop yet? [14:35] I thought dove was working [14:35] lool, i still suspect gruemasters strange USB KVM to be interfering here [14:35] And you have b2.5 too? [14:36] lool: I have the dove working with the live usb filesystem Friday, I havent setup an install yet [14:36] dyfet: And what about your 2.5? [14:36] 2.5 I have no video [14:36] ogra and I have video; you dont have any other screen to use with it? [14:36] You tried other res? [14:37] yes, I have, ogra said there was no analog signal for the dvi-vga adaptor [14:37] You dont have a DVI screen? [14:37] I mean digital? [14:37] at least with my DVI->VGA cable i get nothing out of the thing [14:37] I wonder how much it would cost to fix that [14:38] a cheapo DVI display shouldnt be to hard to expense i bet :) [14:38] right, I had to get a new monitor [14:38] I can get a dvi monitor today, but since dove is working, I was going to shift to that [14:38] dyfet: Can you please send me a quote for a basic DVI D screen in the US? I'll see if davidm can allow the expense [14:38] dyfet: Well you need to do 2.5 testing too [14:38] dove is very powerfull [14:38]