[00:25] <billybigrigger> hey all
[00:25] <billybigrigger> i moved my virtual server over between hosts, and used the same vbox settings and all, i have vboxnetflt and vboxdrv modules loaded
[00:26] <billybigrigger> but inside my 9.04 guest, i can't seem to bring up eth1, which is the interface configured in my /etc/network/interfaces
[00:26] <billybigrigger> billybigrigger@sally:~$ sudo ifup -a
[00:26] <billybigrigger> SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
[00:27] <billybigrigger> eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No Such device
[00:27] <billybigrigger> i can see it's listed in lspci
[00:29] <billybigrigger> anyone have any suggestions i could try?
[00:36] <poningru> anyone around?
[00:37] <poningru> can someone point me towards horde webmail installation guide?
[00:40] <xenoterracide> when I installed the server I told it not to automagically do security updates
[00:40] <xenoterracide> how do I change that?
[00:58] <oh_noes> is it possible to install ubuntu server, then save all my options (disk config, timezone, dhcp,  etc) into a file
[00:58] <oh_noes> then burn that file back into a CD or a USB or something
[00:58] <oh_noes> I know it's called pre-seeding but I want to know how to save it and then use that saved file
[01:00] <jmarsden> https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/installation-guide/i386/appendix-preseed.html  has all the details on preseeding if that is what you want to do.
[02:11] <KurtKraut> I'm thinking of suggesting the owners of the MX servers I exchange the majority of e-mail traffic to stabilish a compresses gzip/lzo VPN with my servers to compress all e-mail traffic. If you guys receive this request, would you accept? Would you be worried about something?
[02:19] <jmarsden> KurtKraut: Please don't crosspost... are you running Debian, or Ubuntu, on your server?  Use the appropriate channel.
[02:20] <KurtKraut> jmarsden, I have both Debian servers and Ubuntu servers. This is not a distro-specific question. I'm trying to talk to many people as possible.
[02:24] <ScottK> KurtKraut: Unless you were sending me money I'd explain that SMTP works via RFC compliant protocol and tell you to pound sand.
[02:24] <KurtKraut> ScottK, but don't you belive this cooperative VPN would save bandwith for both sides, for me and you?
[02:25] <KurtKraut> Both parts take benefit of the resource savings
[02:25] <ScottK> KurtKraut: I believe it's extraordinarily unlikely to be worth the trouble.  Per recipient SMTP is just way to painful unless it cannot possibly be avoided.
[02:26] <KurtKraut> ScottK, thats why I'm thing to offer this to the MX servers I exchange the majority of my traffic.
[02:26] <KurtKraut> To be worthy
[02:27] <ScottK> KurtKraut: Are you the majority of their traffic?
[02:28] <KurtKraut> ScottK, no, but there is a chance I am. In that case, both parts would be interest in saving bandwith.
[02:29] <ScottK> Personally, I'm more time constrained than I am bandwidth constrained so I'd still say no even then unless (maybe) it was apt-get install something from Main was all that was needed.
[02:29] <PhotoJim> compressed VPN tunnels won't help on already-compressed data.  so if a large % of the email traffic is compressed attachments, there will be no gain and possibly a penalty.
[02:34] <giovani> KurtKraut: VPNs are a huge pain in the ass to maintain
[02:34] <giovani> bandwidth is incredibly cheap
[02:34] <giovani> I would never agree to such a suggestion
[02:34] <KurtKraut> giovani, not worldwide. Outside US and Europe, processors and much cheaper than bandwith
[02:35] <ScottK> Well PhotoJim's point is also valid.  It may not even help.
[02:35] <giovani> then surely you'll get a response
[02:35] <giovani> there's no need to ask here, since we're not the ones you want to comply
[02:36] <giovani> right, in addition to the issue of whether someone will listen to you is whether or not it's even a valid idea
[02:36] <giovani> there's a large amount of overhead with most VPNs
[02:36] <giovani> I doubt you'd see any reduction in traffic, if anything, an increase, not because of compression issues, but because VPN protocols add a good amount of overhead
[02:36] <KurtKraut> PhotoJim, OpenVPN compression tests the stream of data from time to time. If the stream is already compressed and/or it is not worthy to compress it again, it will stop compression to that stream and will check later if compression would be better.
[02:37] <ScottK> KurtKraut: It really smells of adding a lot of complexity  and not worth the trouble.
[02:37] <KurtKraut> giovani, all the points you're making here are helping me to provide a better text to make the offer, already covering the points you guys are making here.
[02:38] <giovani> KurtKraut: well the points I (and we) are making are meant to show you that it's not a good idea at all, not how to craft an email to them
[02:44] <PhotoJim> KurtKraut: oh, that's good to know.
[02:45] <KurtKraut> And many HTTP traffic is compressed.
[02:46] <giovani> KurtKraut: yes, the content itself, inside of the protocol, not encapsulating it in a VPN tunnel which happens to be compressed
[02:46] <giovani> there's a huge difference
[02:47] <KurtKraut> curl --head --compress --silent www.lighttpd.net | fgrep gzip
[02:47] <KurtKraut> And, as e-mail, HTTP traffic has a lot of images, binaries etc.
[02:47] <giovani> I'm not sure what you're trying to demonstrate with that
[02:48] <KurtKraut> giovani, I'm trying to demonstrate that HTTP is widely used with gzip compression, I think e-mail traffic could have the same benefit.
[02:48] <ScottK> KurtKraut: You asked for an opinion.  You got several.  If you think it's a great idea, get an RFC published.
[02:49] <giovani> KurtKraut: you're sorely mistaken if you're comparing content compression in HTTP to encapsulating SMTP traffic in a VPN tunnel which happens to be compressed
[02:50] <giovani> this is an issue that's been discussed before: http://www.faerber.muc.de/temp/20020404-gzip-compression-in-nntp-smtp-pop3-imap.html
[02:50] <giovani> try using a real, planned method
[02:50] <giovani> and not an ugly hack
[02:50] <KurtKraut> giovani, thanks for the link
[02:52] <giovani> google provided plenty
[03:35] <quizme> does anybody here have an epson printer/scanner?
[04:33] <quizme> Package libltdl3 is not installed  <---- but libltdl7 is installed already
[04:34] <quizme> libltdl3  <--- how do i install that ?
[04:41] <ScottK> quizme: libtdl7 provides libtld3, so it should be fine.
[04:42] <quizme> scottk: http://pastie.org/609151
[04:42] <quizme> scottk: the package won't install
[04:43] <quizme> scottk: can i install this?  http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/libltdl3
[04:43] <ScottK> Possbily.
[04:44] <ScottK> It looks like the problem is it's a versioned depends and versioned provides aren't supported.  Where did you get the package?
[04:46] <quizme> scottk: http://www.avasys.jp/lx-bin2/linux_e/spc/DL2.do
[04:46] <quizme> from there
[04:48] <ScottK> You can try to install libtdl3 from Hardy, but it probably conflicts with libtdl7.  If you get any errors, don't force it, that would be bad.
[04:49] <quizme> oh
[04:49] <quizme> the iscan one works
[04:49] <quizme> i just did that one
[04:49] <quizme> i just installed that one
[04:51] <quizme> scottk: should i use this one? Source file (for 64bit architecture, Fedora 11 or later)  ?
[04:51] <ScottK> No.
[04:51] <ScottK> Personally, unless I really needed this package, I would pass.
[04:52] <quizme> scottk: it's for my printer..
[04:52] <ScottK> You might ask them to rebuild it against libtdl7 (or do it yourself if source is available)
[04:52] <quizme> source is there
[04:54] <quizme> scottk: how do i build it using libtdl7 ?
[04:54] <ScottK> Does the source include a Debian style source package?
[04:55] <quizme> scottk there is a debian folder in there
[04:55] <ScottK> What is the libtdl related package listed in Build-Depends in debian/control?
[04:56] <quizme> scottk http://pastie.org/609204
[04:58] <ScottK> quizme: OK, so it's getting pulled in indirectly.
[04:58] <quizme> scottk: what should i do ?
[04:58] <ScottK> quizme: You likely can download that and then rebuild it and get an installable .deb.
[04:58] <ScottK> It's midnight here, so I need to get to bed.
[04:59] <ScottK> There's stuff on the Ubuntu wiki about rebuilding packages.
[04:59] <quizme> scottk: ok thanks. so i need to rebuild libtdl3 ?
[04:59] <ScottK> quizme: No, your package that you want.
[05:00] <quizme> you mean rebuild the .deb packgage from the source files ?
[05:00] <ScottK> If you build it on the target platform it'll want libtdl7 as you have
[05:00] <ScottK> Yes
[05:00] <quizme> oh
[05:00] <quizme> ok
[05:01] <quizme> scottk can u help me build the package ?
[05:01] <quizme> i never built one before
[05:01] <ScottK> Possibly tomorrow
[05:01] <ScottK> Others can probably help too
[05:02] <quizme> ok
[05:02] <quizme> thnx
[05:02] <quizme> good night
[05:02] <quizme> you're on the east coast /
[05:02] <ScottK> Yep.  Good night.
[05:09] <quizme> scottk: Type of package: single binary, multiple binary, library, kernel module, kernel patch or cdbs?
[05:09] <quizme>  [s/m/l/k/n/b]
[05:10] <ScottK> quizme: You don't need to create a debian package, just compile one.  The question tells me you are following a recipe for creating one.
[05:10] <quizme> scottk: what's the command ?
[05:10] <ScottK> debuild -us -uc
[05:11] <quizme> so i just type that in the source folder ?
[05:13] <ScottK> Yep.  It should give you useful errors if there are problems.
[05:15] <quizme> scottk: http://pastie.org/609214
[05:17] <quizme> Unmet build dependencies: libcups2-dev | libcupsys2-dev libcupsimage2-dev libgtk2.0-dev libjpeg62-dev
[05:17] <quizme> shoudl i do sudo apt-get install on all of those packages ?
[05:19] <quizme> it's compiling like crazy now...
[05:21] <quizme> scottk: does this mean it worked ?   http://pastie.org/609222
[05:21] <quizme> http://pastie.org/609222  <--- did that compile the debian package ?
[05:38] <jmarsden> quizme: Yes, looks like it built, but you have a pile of lintian warnings and one lintian error in that package which need fixing.
[05:43] <ScottK> quizme: Probably
[05:44] <ScottK> jmarsden: It's for his own use, so none of those are very important.
[05:47] <error404notfound>  i got this: http://pastebin.com/m7fb38df3 in one of my server's logwatch email, whats this, is this critical?
[05:51] <poningru> looking
[05:52] <poningru> hmm
[05:53] <poningru> it seems to be a kernel component somehow related to hardware times
[05:53] <poningru> your cmos battery may be dieing
[05:53] <poningru> though that is a complete guess
[05:53] <poningru> the other alternative is reseting your bios
[06:03] <quizme> jmarsden: do you mena this one?  E: pipslite: debian-changelog-file-missing
[06:03] <jmarsden> quizme: Yes... but as ScottK says, if this is just for your own use, the warnings and errors are safe to ignore.
[06:04] <quizme> jmarsden oh ok. great!
[06:04] <quizme> i wish i could help all those poor folks who have to go through this.
[06:05] <quizme> is it possible to make a *.deb file
[06:05] <error404notfound> poningru, thanks
[06:05] <quizme> then i can send it to launchpad or avasys.jp
[06:05] <quizme> or should i not mess with it ?
[06:33] <roxy09> hi there, I need that everybody from anydirectory can access to some library. Somebody know how i can do that?
[06:35] <kinnaz> chmod -R 755 ?
[06:52] <roxy09> i mean, i need execute a program (which any user account) and this program call some library that is in somewhere. How I can set that they can look for the libray in some specific folder?
[07:29] <roxy09> alo
[07:32] <jmarsden> Just put the library in the usual place (under /usr/lib/ ) and all programs will look for it there and dynamically link to it as needed?  Is that what you mean?  You are not being all that clear...
[07:38]  * andol would rather use /usr/local/lib for that purpose. Putting things under /usr/lib could theoreticly cause a collison with the package manager.
[07:39] <andol> (In other words, for your own stuff, use /usr/local)
[07:45] <roxy09> i suppose, i would like that any user account can execute a program and this program can route to the library
[07:45] <jmarsden> route to?  How do you route to a library?  What library are we talking about here?  Can you give us a specific example?
[07:48] <roxy09> i mean i am using a program and this program need a library ...i need to set if anything from anywhere and which any account that that call this library...the system can know ehre go for this library
[07:49] <jmarsden> The library should be installed into one of the standard places for libraries.  /usr/local/lib should work fine, as andol suggested earlier.  Did you try that yet?
[09:38] <the-dude> ping soren
[10:09] <soren> the-dude: Yes?
[10:09] <the-dude> are you working on cobbler on ubuntu?
[10:09] <soren> No.
[10:10] <the-dude> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CobblerSpec ?
[10:10] <the-dude> or is that just a wanted feature?
[10:15] <soren> the-dude: Wanted feature. I've never managed to find the time to work much on it.
[10:15] <the-dude> so it is still open to get working on it? :)
[10:16] <the-dude> im pretty far with it
[10:16] <soren> Oh, rocking. I'd love to review it.
[10:17] <the-dude> will you be able to sponser me?
[10:18] <the-dude> do I need to report it anywere that im working on it ?
[10:29] <acalvo> alexm: I didn't succed with sympa
[10:30] <acalvo> maybe I'll give it another try
[10:30] <acalvo> was very interesting though, because it had LDAP functionality
[10:31] <alexm> acalvo: what was the problem?
[10:32] <acalvo> the installation wasn't so easy
[10:32] <acalvo> at least, I didn't find it so easy
[10:32] <acalvo> the debian installer mixed up some things
[10:33] <acalvo> although I setted up another mysql server, it was pointing to localhost
[10:33] <acalvo> the DB tables weren't created
[10:33] <acalvo> and when I finally fixed up everything
[10:33] <acalvo> fcgi wasn't working (or not linked)
[10:34] <acalvo> the apache configuration was not deployed
[10:36] <alexm> acalvo: too bad, maybe the package needs a bit of love ;)
[10:37] <simplexio> question: does .htacces affect php code executed on page
[10:38] <domas> it may
[10:48] <soren> the-dude: Yes, I can sponsor it when we get that far.
[10:49] <the-dude> soren: thats nice thanks, will keep you informed :)
[10:52]  * soren lunches
[11:03] <highvoltage> if kvm falls back to qemu, does it use plain qemu or kqemu?
[11:50] <alexm> acalvo: did you try sympa on karmic or you depend on an older release?
[12:07] <soren> highvoltage: Which version of Ubuntu?
[12:10] <acalvo> alexm: root@venus:~# cat /etc/issue Ubuntu 9.04 \n \l
[12:11] <highvoltage> soren: 9.04
[12:11] <soren> highvoltage: plain qemu
[12:11] <highvoltage> soren: I remember that KVM just used to refuse running on this laptop so I was pleasantly surprised when it provided at least some fallback today :)
[12:12] <soren> highvoltage: Yeah, I think that changed in Intrepid.
[12:12] <highvoltage> soren: ah nice, it makes it possible to test some things on some none-vt hardware that can move to better hardware later
[12:13] <highvoltage> soren: is there a ncie way to make it use kqemu yet or should I do a bit of hackery?
[12:13] <soren> highvoltage: You're going to have to do that yourself, I'm afraid.
[12:14] <highvoltage> soren: ok, thanks for the feedback!
[12:14] <soren> highvoltage: np
[12:27] <al_paun> Hi there
[12:28] <al_paun> I have a problem with imap-ssl on ubuntu ... in log i got this "Maximum connection limit reached for ... IP
[12:28] <al_paun> does anyone knows how to fix this?
[12:29] <al_paun> join #ubuntu
[12:30] <nijaba> al_paun: using dovecot?
[12:30] <al_paun> i think it's cyrus
[12:30] <al_paun> cyrus yes not dovecot
[12:32] <nijaba> al_paun: ah, sorry, I know about dovecot mail_max_userip_connections, cyrus must have something similar
[12:34] <al_paun> i have MAXPERIP in imap-ssl config file
[12:34] <al_paun> what should i set to this variable (less i mean 10 or high number of connections 64)?
[12:34] <al_paun> it seems that some connections does not close (stay on CLOSE_WAIT) but they don't close.
[12:36] <al_paun> sometimes i got this error Unexpected SSL connection shutdown
[12:37] <al_paun> how can I debug the courier-imap-ssl?
[12:40] <zul_> morning
[12:58] <smoser> anyone have a centos 5.0 dvd (i386 or x86_64, i need both).  I'm downloading them from bittorrent, but thats not going so quickly... been going for over 24 hours and only 15% on one of them. (htere is only 1 peer)
[13:02] <the-dude> smoser: ?
[13:06] <maswan> smoser: well, maybe you should try downloading them from a mirror? or run ubuntu instead, which is much more awesome than centos.
[13:06] <andol> smoser: 1) Wouldn't #centos be a much better question for that question? :) 2) Tried downloading directly (http/ftp) from a nearby mirror?
[13:11] <smoser> 5.0 dvds are not available on any mirrors (5.3 is current).
[13:11] <smoser> probably #centos would be better, agreed. i'm in need of them for ubuntu related work.
[13:12] <smoser> zul_, ^
[13:14] <zul_> hi smoser
[13:14] <zul_> smoser, i386 or amd64?
[13:14] <zul_> well it doesnt really matter: http://vault.centos.org/5.0/isos/
[13:15] <smoser> both, ideally. the i386 is coming much faster (~ 20k)
[13:15] <smoser> zul, there are no dvds there. only the torrents.
[13:15] <smoser> which are horrid slow
[13:15] <zul> yeah but there is six isos
[13:18] <smoser> 6 isos. yuck. :) ideally i can do a unattended vm install that takes less than a week
[14:55] <Claw6> how to run a command after boot (not after login) i want to start hybserv after bootup because i alway need to start it by hand
[15:10] <clusty> Claw6, you need to create /etc/rcX.d entries
[15:11] <clusty> where X is thje runlevel you want your thing to execute
[15:12] <clusty> i got 2 problem I hope you can help me with
[15:12] <smoser> soren, the reason i was moaning about bittorrent downloads is that the images (centos 5.0) i need have 2 peers, i'm getting ~ 10k right now.
[15:12] <smoser> for a dvd image... only 11 more days :)
[15:12] <clusty> 1)i got ldap user auth working but i cannot change passwords. whenever i do passwd i am askjed for ldap password which should not happen and no poassword works
[15:13] <clusty> i think something fishy is maybe going on with PAM?
[15:13] <soren> smoser: :(
[15:15] <clusty> 2)i am having still some local net DNS issues. the nodes can resolve the DNS server machine but not each other. can some1 help me out? i wrote the zzone file to the best of my knowledge and the conf file for bind
[15:22] <kpettit> Good morning.  Any good ideas on setting up QOS?
[15:23] <kpettit> I'm running alot of services on a remote box, Asterisk being one of them.  Sometimes I get lag becuase the services compete for bandwidth so I'd like a easy way to make "SIP" the priority.  Any ideas?
[15:26] <giovani> yeah, have the router/switch provide QoS
[15:27] <kpettit> It's a hosted box, so I don't have that option. So I take it there isn't a easy way to do QOS at PBX level?
[15:28] <maswan> Hm. What is the resonable way of specifying interfaces these days, when the kernel keeps renumbering for me?
[15:30] <ivoks> manjo: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[15:30] <ivoks> er..
[15:30] <ivoks> maswan: ^^
[15:31] <ivoks> mathiaz: hi
[15:31] <mathiaz> ivoks: hi! how are you doing?
[15:31] <ivoks> mathiaz: you'd be jelaous if i would tell you :)
[15:32] <mathiaz> ivoks: hm - I getting ready! shoot!
[15:32] <ivoks> mathiaz: i'm sea kayaking
[15:32] <mathiaz> ivoks: hm - like right now now?
[15:32] <ivoks> mathiaz: but, i'd like to ask you something
[15:32] <ivoks> no, right now i'm waiting for the meeting :D
[15:33] <maswan> ivoks: ah, thanks. last time I had reson to fiddle with that, was in the good old days of /etc/iftab
[15:33] <ivoks> mathiaz: anyway, i'd like to sync some packages from debian
[15:34] <ivoks> mathiaz: all are in main, so i'd need someone to push the magic button
[15:34] <clusty> kpettit, i think you got l7 filters
[15:34] <ivoks> mathiaz: i'll report bugs, but i need someone who understands what to do
[15:34] <clusty> kpettit, i never set it up myself
[15:34] <clusty> kpettit, easiest is to get a separate box and install entangle
[15:34] <clusty> or whatever routing distro
[15:34] <clusty> has evrything out of the box
[15:34] <ivoks> mathiaz: if i file bugs against openais, corosync and rhcs, it's possible that someone would sync rhcs before other two
[15:35] <mathiaz> ivoks: right. Reporting bugs is the first step, then subscribe -main-sponsors
[15:35] <clusty> kpettit, for me at home a tomato flashed router works miracles
[15:35] <mathiaz> ivoks: ok - just write this down in the bugs
[15:35] <mathiaz> ivoks: which one should be synced first
[15:35] <ivoks> and if i file for corosync and wait for it, then wait for openais and then for rhcs, a week will pass :)
[15:35] <ivoks> ok
[15:35] <mathiaz> ivoks: and the Archive Admins will do the right thing
[15:35] <clusty> anybody has to nerves to help me with my dns issues?
[15:35] <mathiaz> ivoks: they're intelligent people - they'll figure it out if it's written in a bug
[15:36] <ivoks> :)
[15:37] <kpettit> clusty: Its a hosted box and I only have the one hosted box.
[15:37] <clusty> try l7
[15:37] <clusty> think some iptables magic is also needed
[15:38] <clusty> i am still scared of iptables :D
[15:38] <clusty> kpettit, might try also TCP vegas :D
[15:38] <clusty> kpettit, very very new algo
[15:39] <clusty> dunno how efficient though
[15:39] <kpettit> clusty: I'm using arnos iptable scripts right now, but I don't have any QOS type of options.
[15:39] <kpettit> I'll look into those other ones you suggested though.  Thanks
[15:42] <giovani> kpettit: QoS in iptables is complex, and may not perform the way you want depending on how bandiwdth is limited
[15:43] <kpettit> giovani: that's what I'm worried about.  Fun fun fun
[15:46] <maswan> oh, fun, fun. latest karmic kernel or grub seems not to boot.
[15:47] <giovani> maswan: gotta be more specific than that
[15:50] <maswan> giovani: seems to be hitting #424503 now that I was more specific
[15:53] <maswan> Going to try the workarond mentioned in the bug before I rant more (or click "me too" :) )
[15:54] <soren> ivoks: Have you used glusterfs at all?
[15:57] <ivoks> soren: no
[15:57] <ivoks> soren: but i plan some testing
[15:57] <soren> ivoks: Ok.
[15:57] <soren> ivoks: I've played a bit around with it. I really like it.
[15:58] <ivoks> i tried it while it was a part of gluster (whole cluster)
[15:58] <ivoks> but 'tried' like couple of seconds
[15:59] <soren> ivoks: drbd always gave me this unpleasant feeling.. If something went wrong, all my data would be eaten. With something like gluster, I just feel safer.
[15:59] <soren> glusterfs, I mean.
[15:59] <VirtualDisaster> soren: i know the feeling
[15:59] <soren> ivoks: I'm not familiar with gluster (apart from glusterfs). What does it do?
[16:00] <VirtualDisaster> soren: hopefully w/ the arrival btrfs we can feel safer
[16:00] <ivoks> it was a livecd cluster system
[16:00] <VirtualDisaster> ivoks: it is a cluster filesystem?
[16:00] <ivoks> looks like glusterfs is the only thing left from it
[16:00] <VirtualDisaster> oic nvm
[16:01] <ivoks> at that time, there was no gluster inc. :)
[16:01] <smoser> what is 'o/' ?
[16:01] <soren> smoser: It's a head and a hand. It's me, waving.
[16:01] <ivoks> wave
[16:01] <smoser> ah
[16:02] <smoser> i thought the bot might be registering attendance based on that
[16:02] <ivoks> good idea :D
[16:19] <smoser> how/where does mootbot publish meeting notes ?
[16:22] <Claw6> okay again.... irc crashed.... i want to lunch "hybserv" after boot without login. at the moment i have to do it by hand dont want so
[16:22] <Claw6> how can i do that?
[16:32] <giovani> Claw6_: put a script in the proper runlevel directory
[16:33] <smoser> soren, ttx, zul ? how/where does mootbot publish meeting notes ?
[16:33] <Claw6_> clusty said i need to edit /etc/rcX.d
[16:33] <Claw6_> is that file loaded after every boot?
[16:33] <soren> smoser: from this meeting or an earlier one?
[16:34] <zul> smoser: umm...i think its on the web someware
[16:34] <giovani> Claw6_: it's not a file, those are directories
[16:34] <giovani> you need to place a startup script, and name it properly in the right folder
[16:36] <zul> smoser: you could always look at irclogs.ubuntu.com http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/09/08/%23ubuntu-meeting.html
[16:37] <Claw6_> what folder shall i use? rcS.d?
[16:37] <smoser> i just thought, since he's marking certian things, that those things would be highlighted somewhere ([action] and the like)
[16:38] <zul> smoser: yeah but im not sure where it is off the top of my head
[16:38] <coma_> "configure software raid" is not showing!
[16:39] <coma_> but "Activate Serial ATA RAID devices?" is...
[16:39] <Claw6_> well there is ja start script of hybserv but it doesn´t work
[16:43] <zul> kirkland: ping why does bochbios needs to be a build dependency for qemu-kvm it doesnt use it anywhere by the looks of it
[16:43] <coma_> hi, is someone there?
[16:44] <coma_> some Dr. House for a Ubuntu Server instalation diagnosis?
[16:46] <coma_> oh well...
[16:47] <genii> coma_: "activate serial ATA RAID devices"... along with no "configure software raid" hints you have some hardware raid solution on your motherboard
[16:57] <coma_> hi!
[16:57] <coma_> yes, the mb has a raid hardware enabled
[16:57] <coma_> but
[16:58] <coma_> if I use this it'll install everything without any problems... until I retart it...
[16:58] <coma_> the raid is not recognized
[17:00] <coma_> the mb is not booting with the raid
[17:00] <ivoks> mb don't have hardware raid
[17:00] <ivoks> the thing you have is called fakeraid
[17:03] <zul> kirkland_:  ping why does bochbios needs to be a build dependency for qemu-kvm it doesnt use it anywhere by the looks of it
[17:39] <garymc> I goto sound preferances: error message: gconfaudiosink profile=music: Failed to connect: Connection refused
[17:39] <garymc> this is in my thin client
[17:40] <garymc> It works for a bit/until i play about 6 songs then stops working
[17:40] <garymc> I get that error above
[17:40] <nijaba> Daviey: iirk... we lost all translations of the tips! :(
[17:43] <Daviey> nijaba: yes, they are "fuzzy" translations.. Needing Review
[17:44] <Daviey> they are still there, but because of the pot string change, they are now fuzzy
[17:44] <nijaba> ah, ok...  so we did not lose them.  good..  I was scared for a bit
[17:48] <Daviey> nijaba: If they do get lost, they are in in bzr anyway.
[17:49] <Daviey> but they are actually in the .po files, just "need review"
[17:49] <nijaba> Daviey: well, on the translation interface in lp, it is as if there was nothing there at the moment
[17:50] <nijaba> Daviey: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-server-tips/trunk/+pots/ubuntu-server-tips/fr/+translate
[17:50] <Daviey> nijaba, yeah hardly ideal - but if you check the "import queue"
[17:51] <ahasenack> is there someplace other than cdimage.ubuntu.com from where I can get the karmic server iso?
[17:51] <ahasenack> cdimage is too slow from here
[17:51] <ahasenack> it's like 12h to download the image
[17:53] <maswan> http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[17:53] <maswan> if you're lucky
[17:53] <ahasenack> thanks
[17:53] <Daviey> ahasenack: cdimage.ubuntu.com AFAIK is the only place with the daily images.
[17:53] <maswan> it has alpha-5
[17:53] <ahasenack> Daviey: I'm fine with alpha-5, I can update from there
[17:53] <maswan> but not dailies
[17:54] <maswan> basically I mirror the "releases" subdir
[17:54] <ahasenack> cool, that's better
[17:54] <ahasenack> 200kb/s
[17:54] <ahasenack> maswan: thanks!
[18:36] <zul> mathiaz: what do you think of getting a FFE for dovecot karmic is still at 1.1.11
[18:36] <mathiaz> zul: for what version of dovecot?
[18:36] <mathiaz> zul: 1.1 or 1.2?
[18:37] <zul> 1.2
[18:37] <mathiaz> zul: I think it's too late
[18:37] <mathiaz> zul: why should we upgrade to 1.2?
[18:38] <zul> k what about 1.1.12 then since there are some bugfixes in launchpad that it solves
[18:38] <mathiaz> zul: the latest version of dovecot 1.1 in unstable was 1.1.16
[18:38] <mathiaz> zul: it seems that updating to the latest version of the 1.1 serie makes sense
[18:39] <zul> that works as well but 1.2.4 is in unstable
[18:39] <zul> sure
[18:39] <mathiaz> zul: it seems that upstream was mainly fixing bugs on 1.1
[18:39] <mathiaz> zul: it would be much easier to get a FFe for the latest 1.1
[18:39] <zul> i agree
[18:39] <zul> ill put it on my list for this week
[18:39] <mathiaz> zul: 1.2 is a major update - it seems too late for karmic
[18:40] <zul> i agree
[18:41] <orudie> асдф
[18:41] <orudie> hi, anyone here familiar with vtiger ?
[18:48] <kaushal> hi
[18:48] <kaushal> anyone have used autossh ?
[18:48] <kaushal> since its available in ubuntu
[18:51] <orudie> hi, anyone here familiar with vtiger ?
[18:51] <ScottK> orudie: Asking the same question every 10 minutes is more likely to annoy people than get you help.
[18:53] <orudie> ScottK-> oh, i thought no one knows the answer and someone else joined who actually does
[18:53] <orudie> ScottK-> anyway sorry if i made you feel bad
[18:53] <VirtualDisaster> orudie: ?
[18:53] <orudie> VirtualDisaster-> ?
[18:54] <VirtualDisaster> orudie: nvm
[19:02] <kaushal> !autossh
[19:06] <konza_> blackxored,  hi
[19:07] <blackxored> konza_, hi again ask your question here?
[19:07] <blackxored> hello again folks, konza_ is having some little problems when changing postfix's default listening port
[19:07] <VirtualDisaster> why are you wanting to do that?
[19:08] <konza_> blackxored,  i think its not main.cf         its master.cf
[19:09] <blackxored> konza_, so you splitted I think paste master.cf
[19:09] <blackxored> VirtualDisaster, ISP blocks I think
[19:09] <VirtualDisaster> hmm looks like this is going to be fun
[19:09] <VirtualDisaster> dpkg-reconfigure postfix
[19:10] <VirtualDisaster> that should allow you to change the listening port iirc (havent used it in awhile)
[19:10] <blackxored> VirtualDisaster, ;)
[19:10] <blackxored> VirtualDisaster, we didn't want to do that
[19:10] <VirtualDisaster> then youre making it harder on yourself
[19:10] <konza_> link of paset bin pls
[19:11] <VirtualDisaster> any other solution to this problem will involve more work than it is worth
[19:11] <VirtualDisaster> unless you want to start learning about various aspects of firewalling today
[19:11] <bensie> hi guys, wondering if i can get some insight to a problem i'm having with KVM and vmbuilder on 9.04
[19:12] <VirtualDisaster> bensie: ask away,
[19:12] <VirtualDisaster> !ask
[19:12] <bensie> sorry....
[19:12] <konza_> !pastebin
[19:13] <blackxored> konza_, a second am on it again
[19:14] <bensie> i'm getting an "invalid compressed format (err=1)" when booting any VMs created with vmbuilder in the past 2 days
[19:14] <konza_> VirtualDisaster, Isp is blocking port 25, what to do?
[19:15] <konza_> blackxored, k
[19:15] <konza_> blackxored, http://paste.ubuntu.com/267444/
[19:15] <VirtualDisaster> konza_: one sec
[19:15] <bensie> we're not using a local mirror -- but i'm wondering if there's any way to use an ISO for the install, then remote apt for packages to ensure each VM is built with a consistent image
[19:16] <VirtualDisaster> konza_: is this for work or for just play?
[19:16] <VirtualDisaster> i really dont want to waste time if this is one of those "oh im just playing" scenerios
[19:16] <konza_> VirtualDisaster, didnt get u
[19:17] <blackxored> konza_ in /etc/postfix/master.cf -you right s/smtpd/<your port>
[19:17] <blackxored> and then restart it
[19:17] <VirtualDisaster> konza_: i mean are you using this in production? i dont want to spend a lot of time helping if youre just "testing" ubuntu
[19:17] <blackxored> i dont' think a SIGHUP will suffice
[19:18] <blackxored> konza, was using exim so hard to tell at first, ;)
[19:18] <blackxored> konza_, but that may suffice
[19:19] <konza_> VirtualDisaster,  I want to make a site similar to gmail, i am behind this for the past 2 days.   it was written on some ubuntu docs that many isp's block port 5 and its suggested to use port 587.
[19:20] <VirtualDisaster> really, mind if i pm you
[19:26] <bensie> any KVM experts out there?
[19:29] <VirtualDisaster> bensie: just ask and wait
[19:33] <blackxored> port 587 is for secure smtp
[19:33] <blackxored> konza_, ^
[19:33] <blackxored> konza_, that was probably the suggestion, and IMHO most ISPs *allow* 25
[19:36] <konza_> but this command is not working           'telnet localhost 25'          its needed for checking weather auth smtp and tls are working properly
[19:36] <henkjan> in the netherlands lots of ISPs block outgoing port 25
[19:41] <ScottK> port 587 is for submission (secure or not).
[19:41] <blackxored> konza_, if you changed the port then won't work
[19:42] <ScottK> It's a current mail system best practice to use it (not just Ubuntu)
[19:42] <blackxored> ScottK, you're right ;)
[19:43] <frojnd> Hello there.
[19:43] <frojnd> I'm just wondering is there a official keylogger for ubuntu?
[19:43] <frojnd> For home use ofcaurse!
[19:43] <blackxored> ScottK, and normal mail delivery is still for 25, right?
[19:44] <konza_> blackxored, but this command is not working           'telnet localhost 25'          its needed for checking weather auth smtp and tls are working properly
[19:44] <blackxored> frojnd, in the repos there's lkl, but doesn't buy me at all
[19:44] <blackxored> konza_, if you changed the port in master.cf won't work then
[19:44] <blackxored> konza_, in that port
[19:46] <konza_> blackxored, how to check, what the currently assigned port is?
[19:46] <blackxored> netstat -tan ;)
[19:46] <blackxored> if you have something listening on ::25 then you didn't change the port
[19:46] <blackxored> if you don't then you have changed that in master.cf as I said, where you should replace smtpd with the port you wanted
[19:53] <Sp0tter> What would cause a samba shared directory to show up as a printer?  when i run testparam on my config it always shows that share as "printable = yes"  no matter what I set it as
[19:54] <konza_> blackxored, can u tell that command fully........         netstat ..........
[19:54] <blackxored> netstat -tan
[19:55] <kamilion> Where can I find the iscsi boot documentation for karmic/jaunty? I have my targets set up, but I just can't seem to get d-i to give me the iscsi options.
[19:57] <konza_> blackxored, http://paste.ubuntu.com/267477/
[20:00] <blackxored> konza_, there it is, so what's your problem
[20:00] <blackxored> it's listening on ::24
[20:00] <blackxored> s/24/25
[20:01] <smoser> soren, can you add me to the vmbuilder project? i think i need to be added there in order to change status of a bug (bug 426424)
[20:15] <konza_> blackxored, my prob is solved... thanks for helping me
[20:15] <blackxored> konza_, glad to help ;)
[20:34] <Vog> OK, I was just asked a question I do not know the answer to. Is there a way to migrate a a server from 32 to 64 bit while maintaining packages and settings?
[20:35] <kpettit> Vog: painfull
[20:35] <VirtualDisaster> konza_: can you hear me in PM?
[20:35] <Vog> Those were my thoughts.... but I've never tried to do it so I could not answer the question definatively
[20:36] <kpettit> Depending on the apps, my experience is it'd be chancy
[20:36] <VirtualDisaster> Vog: just setup the new server
[20:36] <VirtualDisaster> then migrate when everything is working
[20:36] <VirtualDisaster> i dont see a issue
[20:36] <kpettit> I'd suggest backing up all your settings and config's and building a new server from scratch
[20:36] <VirtualDisaster> i agree w/ kpettit
[20:37] <VirtualDisaster> leave the existing one alone until the new one is ready
[20:37] <VirtualDisaster> dont do like um *cough* MS admins *cough* and do first then think
[20:37] <VirtualDisaster> think, plan, execute
[20:37] <kpettit> if you have everything backup'd up and your brave you could do a new 64bit install on the existing system and not format the drives which would leave alot of the data.  But the results would be unpredictable
[20:38] <VirtualDisaster> yeah thats not a good idea in any situation
[20:39] <kpettit> If it was a remote system I wouldn't never chance it.  But if it was a server under my desk and I had the time and option to play aroudn with it, it would be fun to try
[20:39] <VirtualDisaster> or just get a diff hdd
[20:39] <kpettit> But on any serious system I would just build a new one from scratch
[20:39] <VirtualDisaster> thats what i did when i got tight on hardware
[20:39] <kpettit> good idea.
[20:40] <VirtualDisaster> that way if anything messes up just slap in old one
[20:40] <kpettit> exactly.
[20:41] <VirtualDisaster> not to mention you get practice in "HotHardDrive Potato"
[20:41] <kpettit> My setup is a couple servers at my house and some remote hosted ones.  I'm very hesitant to do anything on the remote ones
[20:41] <VirtualDisaster> kpettit: yeah
[20:41] <kpettit> Do you use 32bit or 64bit?
[20:42] <kpettit> I gave up on 64bit.  I never use it unless I have a specific app, like a monster database that needs the big memory chunks.  64bit was too much of a hassle for me
[20:42] <VirtualDisaster> 32
[20:42] <VirtualDisaster> yeah 64 seems to much to deal w/
[20:42] <VirtualDisaster> i use 32bit w/ server kernel to get more ram
[20:42] <kpettit> I don't even consider it for the desktop anymore, to many issues
[20:42] <VirtualDisaster> yeah
[20:42] <VirtualDisaster> and until its supported better whats the point?
[20:43] <kpettit> exactly.  no benifit for me to use 64bit
[20:43] <Vog> This si for our mail server. I already have the system imaged and was working on putting the old image on new hardware when someone asked if we could also migrate the system to 64-bit
[20:44] <VirtualDisaster> Vog: imo i dont see a need, especially if the app isnt written for 64 bit
[20:44] <Vog> There are benefits to 64 bit for me considerieng the load the mail server has
[20:44] <VirtualDisaster> it will not gain anything
[20:44] <VirtualDisaster> i would suggest in optimizing the setup
[20:45] <VirtualDisaster> like doing system profiling
[20:45] <VirtualDisaster> that way you can get the what, why and how
[20:46] <VirtualDisaster> to create a solution based on the information you gather in the profiling
[20:47] <Vog> All the same the I have my answer, a migration to 64 bit is best accomplished by a fresh install
[20:48] <kpettit> yes, it's the safest way.
[20:48] <Vog> IN this case safe is relative...
[20:48] <kpettit> :)
[20:48] <Vog> The main server is staying as is while the new one is built
[20:49] <kpettit> Ah that should work well for you the.  Give you a chance to test things out and migrate apps one at a time
[20:49] <Vog> I have new server hardware and an external image of the drive
[20:49] <iive> hello,  if I know the exact name of library/module how can i find the name of the package containing it. Google gives me far too many results without the info i need.
[20:49] <konza_> nope
[20:50] <konza_> VirtualDisaster, nope
[20:50] <kamilion> Where can I find the iscsi boot documentation for karmic/jaunty? I've gone through a bunch of docs trying to figure it out, but debian-installer never seems to load the partman iscsi module, even if I pass iscsi=true on the kernel command line.
[20:50] <VirtualDisaster> konza_: odd
[20:50] <VirtualDisaster> konza_: tell ya what just drop me a line on my website
[20:50] <VirtualDisaster> use the contact form, i would like to follow up w/ you on a few items
[20:53] <konza_> VirtualDisaster, can u here me inn pm
[20:54] <VirtualDisaster> konza_: yes sir
[20:59] <iive> kamilion: i think it is provided as module.I've seen it in the additional module selections when choosing disks
[21:15] <kamilion> I get that module loader, when there's no internal drive
[21:15] <kamilion> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open-iscsi/+bug/236640
[21:16] <kamilion> The last message there says at least one disk needs to be detected for partman to load the modules. I've tried with and without disks, but nothing I do seems to enable iscsi.
[21:17] <VirtualDisaster> kamilion: iirc youll have to create some sripts to make it work properly
[21:17] <VirtualDisaster> i looked into it once but couldnt get it to work so i was like screw it at this point
[21:17] <kamilion> Where might I find some help or documentation on how to do that?
[21:17] <kamilion> Yeah, I just noticed the A4/A5 release notes saying iscsi boot should work now.
[21:18] <kamilion> But I can't find any docs or blogs, I've been messing with it with a couple days now.
[21:18] <iive> kamilion: most probably, suspend the automatic installation open shell and make the connection manually.
[21:19] <kamilion> right, there was a mention in that bug thread about "apt-setup/proposed=true", but I couldn't figure out the meaning of it
[21:21] <VirtualDisaster> kamilion: you will have to create a few custom rc scripts, i have no really useful links for this matter unfortunately
[21:22] <statik> hi kirkland :)
[21:22] <kamilion> allrighty. I'll keep trying. Guess I'll give a NFSRoot install a shot, at least that's documented.
[21:24] <VirtualDisaster> kamilion: good luck and if you have success i would love to know what you did
[21:24] <VirtualDisaster> maybe then i can document it !
[21:25]  * kamilion nods
[21:26] <kamilion> I'll try bugging the devs working on it. I'd be happy to submit some docs as well
[21:29] <kamilion> I'm trying to move from a TFTP-boot to HTTP-boot with gpxe. Hopefully I should end up with a short howto on http-boot+iscsi-root, cause it's only the iscsi-root bits giving me problems so far.
[21:35] <frojnd> If application is made for 32bit x86 architechture. Is there a way to install it on 64bit? http://sourceforge.net/projects/lkl/
[21:38] <kamilion> frojnd: yeah, apt-get install ia32-libs && dpkg --force-architecture -i your-i386.deb
[21:38] <Vog> frojnd: you could use the linux32 command  for instance linux32 uname - a
[21:38] <kamilion> iirc there's also 'ia32-apt-get'
[21:40] <Vog> kamilion: I htink you would need to run getlibs after that... or would you?
[21:41] <frojnd> kamilion: what is your-i386.deb?
[21:41] <Vog> he was making an example of the package you would want to install
[21:42] <Vog> where "youri386.deb is the application you are trying to install
[21:43] <frojnd> Vog: what if application is here http://sourceforge.net/projects/lkl/
[21:43] <Vog> frojnd: I'm not touching that if you want to run a key logger figure it out yourself
[21:44] <frojnd> Vog: kamilion if application would be in the repos than the command would be: apt-get install ia32-libs && dpkg --force-architecture -i lkl ?
[21:44] <frojnd> it's not for me
[21:45] <frojnd> funny but a some girl asked me if I know of any keylogger. She has some problems with her collage roomates... didn't ask why I just suggest her to install lkl but I didn't know that she has problems installing it since she has 64bit
[21:46] <frojnd> Vog: if you feel any better you can help me install any other application for 64bit
[21:46] <Vog> Knowing that that knowlede will be used to install a keylogger in the end no.
[21:47] <frojnd> fine.
[21:47] <Vog> frojnd: I would just tell the girl to make up a better password or somehting or not let more than one person on her machine.
[21:49] <frojnd> Vog: I know you would.
[21:49] <frojnd> Vog: but if you woud she would say ubuntu sux if I can't install software :)
[21:50] <Vog> ..... Why can't she install software?
[21:51] <Vog> It's not like keyloggers are a heavily used category of legitimately used software.
[21:52] <frojnd> lack of knowladge... me myself have no ideas how to install any 32bit software on 64bit and I'm using 4 years linux now..
[21:52] <Vog> Besides this is the unbuntuserver channel if you want support on unbuntu desktop apps try #ubuntu
[21:52] <frojnd> I just didn't had to till now...
[21:52] <frojnd> Vog: I already jumped in :)
[21:52] <Vog> cool
[23:23] <bensie> i'm trying to resize a VM with kpartx and resize2fs, but resize2fs is saying "The filesystem is already xxxxx blocks long.  Nothing to do!"
[23:23] <bensie> Anyone know how to properly resize a VM (inside an LVM)?