| === ripps_ is now known as ripps | ||
| === Ng_ is now known as Ng | ||
| tseliot | tjaalton: did nvidia -96 fail to build again (for the same reason)? I've reuploaded the source to my website again. | 09:55 |
|---|---|---|
| tseliot | tjaalton: please reupload it when you have the time | 09:58 |
| tjaalton | tseliot: i guess it doesn't try to rebuild it if the version didn't change | 10:21 |
| tjaalton | but I've requested a rebuild | 10:22 |
| tseliot | tjaalton: thanks | 10:22 |
| tjaalton | nope, didn't help | 10:23 |
| tjaalton | tseliot: you need to bump the version | 10:23 |
| tseliot | tjaalton: ok, let me do it and reupload the source | 10:23 |
| tseliot | tjaalton: ok, uploaded. http://albertomilone.com/ubuntu/karmic/to_upload.txt | 10:26 |
| tjaalton | tseliot: and uploaded | 10:32 |
| tseliot | tjaalton: thanks again | 10:33 |
| Q-FUNK | bryce: what is missing to get http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31292587/xserver_1.6.x_add_Geode_GX1_GX2_LX_to_xf86AutoConfig.patch merged into Karmic? | 16:48 |
| andresmh | Someone at ubuntu+1 told me this would be a good place to discuss some issues I have with Xorg Intel drivers for Karmic. | 17:12 |
| bryce | good morning tseliot | 18:25 |
| tseliot | bryce: good morning to you (or good evening in Italy) | 18:26 |
| bryce | tseliot, I'll work on the libdrm update | 18:34 |
| tseliot | bryce: ok, I'll work on the other merges then (I haven't started yet) | 18:35 |
| bryce | yeah looks like a lot of stuff got done upstream recently, probably prepping for their next release | 18:39 |
| tseliot | good | 18:43 |
| apw | bryce, i am seeing some strange behaviour with pretty recent karmic bits on ati ... specificially it is showing me the shutdown screen very briefly on X start | 20:17 |
| bryce | hmm | 20:18 |
| bryce | apw, I've upped us to pretty recent git versions on -ati | 20:18 |
| apw | i can see he window i ran reboot in, for a couple of seconds | 20:18 |
| apw | and its not the best either in use | 20:18 |
| bryce | apw, is this with stock karmic kernel or one with backported ati drm bits? | 20:18 |
| apw | this is with a stock -9 kernel | 20:19 |
| apw | indeed all stock bits | 20:19 |
| bryce | ok, there's been some problems I've heard with -ati when using the stock kernel | 20:19 |
| bryce | bbiab (breakfast) | 20:19 |
| apw | bryce, it almost feels like every other refresh is not on the real screen, i get junk instead | 20:20 |
| apw | it is definatly not clearing out its video memory on init, which is potentially a security issue | 20:23 |
| Q-FUNK | has bryce moved to japan? | 20:25 |
| superm1 | even if he did, 4:26 is a little early for breakfast isn't it? | 20:26 |
| Q-FUNK | either that or he got up reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally late in USA | 20:27 |
| apw | or he is soooo dedicated he only just got round to breaky | 20:35 |
| tjaalton | it's 12:38 in portland.. not that late for a hacker ;) | 20:38 |
| tjaalton | PM | 20:38 |
| Q-FUNK | ah, yes. west coast | 20:39 |
| bryce | apw, hmm weird, it works okay on my ati system | 20:45 |
| apw | its utterly corrupting my display most of the time | 20:46 |
| bryce | yeah apw is right, I neglected too long to take a break. blood sugar was getting pretty low ;-) | 20:46 |
| bryce | morning got kinda screwed up due to meetings and wife having dual flat tires | 20:47 |
| apw | dual! what did she do, drive over a milk float? | 20:47 |
| bryce | she had a "bolt" in one, and nfi on the other | 20:48 |
| apw | (that metaphore probabally doesn't translate, they used to use glass bottles) | 20:48 |
| bryce | (a nail or screw I could understand, but a bolt?) | 20:48 |
| apw | yeah thats sooo very pointy, not | 20:49 |
| bryce | I suspect the one was due to a stuck valve from after I checked all her tires. They've replaced the valve as they didn't see anything else wrong | 20:49 |
| bryce | 2 flat tires + wife 1-day from baby due date == trouble | 20:50 |
| apw | 10x trouble | 20:50 |
| rawler | does anyone here happen to know anything about Matrox Parhelia on Ubuntu? | 20:59 |
| rawler | is there some nice PPA to add, or at least a guide to get better than VESA-graphics? | 20:59 |
| Q-FUNK | yikes | 21:01 |
| rawler | *ahh* found https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/MatroxParhelia :) | 21:02 |
| rawler | of course :) | 21:02 |
| rawler | help.ubuntu.com should be my new google.. :) | 21:02 |
| bryce | h.u.c is waaay out of date on X stuff | 21:03 |
| bryce | but then, matrox is so ancient even out of date info is probably still of use ;-) | 21:04 |
| rawler | well.. perhaps.. except all changes in core X breaks all that good ol' stuff.. ;) | 21:04 |
| rawler | and, it's not exactly.. parhelia.. it's P650, but same driver I assume? | 21:04 |
| rawler | btw, out of curiosity, what are the odds of seeing old drivers, like matrox and friends up-ported to KMS-glory etc? | 21:06 |
| rawler | (from a guy that know ~0 about driver-creation) | 21:06 |
| bryce | ~0 | 21:07 |
| rawler | allright.. :) I thought so.. | 21:07 |
| bryce | requires someone to care enough about the driver to work on it | 21:07 |
| bryce | by definition old drivers are usually old because no such person exists | 21:07 |
| rawler | as with all software, of course.. :) | 21:07 |
| rawler | too bad for KMS though.. it's a bit flaky to rely on it unless also old and exotic hardware can support it.. :S | 21:08 |
| bryce | anyway, not something we'd put resources into for ubuntu, since we're sufficiently tied up dealing with bugs in the !old drivers | 21:08 |
| rawler | hehe.. yep.. :) | 21:09 |
| Q-FUNK | speaking of which, I haven't quite understood how hardware without KMS will work under the new scheme. | 21:09 |
| rawler | just my question.. :) | 21:09 |
| rawler | thinking about Nvidia in particular.. | 21:09 |
| bryce | UMS still works | 21:09 |
| bryce | for now anyway | 21:10 |
| Q-FUNK | e.g. Geode is not likely to ever get KMS, now that OLPC switched to VIA | 21:10 |
| bryce | I'm still waiting for xrandr on some drivers | 21:10 |
| Q-FUNK | then again, kernel 2.6.31 is still no go on Geode anyhow. bug filed, camera snapshot added, LKML informed. no action. | 21:11 |
| Q-FUNK | ogasawara has been trying to help me narrow down the exact commit that broke things. we sort-of spotted it, but LKML has not acted upon it. instead Ingo went postal and called our bisect botched. | 21:13 |
| bryce | gotta love upstream | 21:13 |
| Q-FUNK | yup | 21:13 |
| rawler | :) | 21:14 |
| bryce | I suspect some hw corporations paying for X development that ends up breaking hw produced by corporations not paying for X development is not a stable configuration | 21:14 |
| Q-FUNK | but basically, older Geodes already broke around 2.6.23 and now recent Geodes broke with 2.6.31, which basically kills the whole LTSP hardware base. | 21:14 |
| jg | Q-FUNK: you can thank AMD for that.. | 21:31 |
| Q-FUNK | jg: how so? | 21:32 |
| jg | though I wouldn't say it is "the whole LTSP hardware base".... | 21:32 |
| jg | Q-FUNK: they bought the Geode, and ended up laying off a very good guy who was maintaining the X (and other) drivers. | 21:32 |
| Q-FUNK | yup. I know him. I've been involved in xf86-video-geode. | 21:33 |
| Q-FUNK | OLPC could have just as easily hired him, but didn't. | 21:33 |
| jg | heh. | 21:33 |
| jg | I would have, if I could have... | 21:34 |
| Q-FUNK | jg: that you could not says a lot about the viability of the whole project, TBH. | 21:34 |
| jg | Q-FUNK: or priorities of certain people.... | 21:34 |
| jg | I wouldn't draw that conclusion.... | 21:35 |
| Q-FUNK | or lack of | 21:35 |
| Q-FUNK | Jordan had actually planned to get around implementing KMS and was looking forward to it. | 21:40 |
| Q-FUNK | now, the only one I can think of who might pull it off would be dilinger. | 21:40 |
| Q-FUNK | here, I'm mostly worried of how many nice surprises like the devPrivates breakage we're gonna encounter before -geode becomes hopelessly broken. | 21:42 |
| jg | yup. | 21:46 |
| Q-FUNK | or cjb, but he keeps on having less and less time for -geode. | 22:16 |
| jg | bryce: every so often, my screen goes off, and then back on again, when it is idle. Seems Koala's screen saver or blanking is busted.... | 22:34 |
| bryce | jg, yeah everyone is seeing that | 22:34 |
| bryce | jg, and everyone is claiming "not our fault" | 22:35 |
| jg | ok, fine... I'll let you help throw rotten eggs.... | 22:35 |
| Q-FUNK | heh | 22:36 |
| bryce | jg, let me retrieve the blog about it | 22:37 |
| bryce | http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/08/17/ | 22:38 |
| bryce | jg, I've pulled in the various patches and fixes described up through that blog post, but it seems people still have problems (as do I) | 22:39 |
| mac_v | bryce: wasnt the gpm side fixed? what is delaying the xorg fixes? upstream or hasnt landed for Ubuntu? | 22:40 |
| bryce | mac_v, afaik everything on the X side is there | 22:40 |
| * mac_v constantly getting the icon in the panel , pointing to that blog :( | 22:41 | |
| jg | yeah, I've seen the icon in the panel, but it wasn't kind enough to let me cut and paste the URL. | 22:42 |
| mac_v | that was what asac was complaining too ;) | 22:43 |
| bryce | yep, both patches mentioned there went into our xserver, on aug 14 and 19th | 22:43 |
| bryce | icon? | 22:43 |
| mac_v | last month! o.0 | 22:43 |
| mac_v | notification area icon | 22:43 |
| bryce | not following | 22:43 |
| bryce | apport crash icon? | 22:43 |
| jg | bryce: you know who else has had to deal with this sort of stuff, who might have a valid opinion of what the "right thing" is, is cjb.... I'm not sure I believe hugsie' | 22:44 |
| jg | claims, though. | 22:45 |
| jg | I see the blanking problem even when I'm nowhere near the keyboard. | 22:45 |
| jg | (like just now while watching video). | 22:45 |
| mac_v | bryce: nope > http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30946483/Screenshot.png and Bug #423694 | 22:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 423694 in gnome-power-manager "session active, not inhibited, screen idle message" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/423694 | 22:45 |
| jg | now messing with DPMS shouldn't be resetting any notion the X server has of idleness, I don't thin.... | 22:46 |
| jg | so there may be multiple interacting bugs.... | 22:46 |
| bryce | yeah could be | 22:47 |
| bryce | hrmble | 22:47 |
| bryce | probably I should instrument all the dix screensaver stuff | 22:48 |
| bryce | maybe after all these freezes and crashes are solved ;-) | 22:49 |
| mac_v | bryce: the low fps with radeon and KMS ? can we expect a solution before karmic? :) | 22:52 |
| mac_v | from upstream | 22:52 |
| bryce | dunno | 22:56 |
| bryce | I'm about to go on leave for a month, though | 22:56 |
| mac_v | have a fun vacation , when you come back , we'll have loads of bugs waiting for you ;p | 23:03 |
| bryce | it's paternity leave, hardly a vacation ;-) | 23:08 |
| Q-FUNK | bryce: first one? | 23:21 |
| bryce | yea | 23:23 |
| Q-FUNK | neat :) | 23:26 |
| jbarnes | 904 ships with xf86-video-intel 2.5.x right? | 23:37 |
| bryce | 2.6.3 actually - http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/xserver-xorg-video-intel | 23:38 |
| jbarnes | ah ok thanks | 23:38 |
| Q-FUNK | bryce: was there anything left to do to get that geode autoconfig patch merged into karmic? | 23:39 |
| bryce | Q-FUNK, what patch? | 23:40 |
| Q-FUNK | I noticed that you confirmed the bug after I added the 1.4 and 1.6 patches, but nothing since then. | 23:40 |
| Q-FUNK | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31292587/xserver_1.6.x_add_Geode_GX1_GX2_LX_to_xf86AutoConfig.patch | 23:41 |
| bryce | oh I have scripts that do that | 23:41 |
| Q-FUNK | bug #423866 | 23:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 423866 in xorg-server "AutoConfigure support for older Geodes" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/423866 | 23:42 |
| Q-FUNK | those patches | 23:45 |
| Q-FUNK | there's one for jaunty+karmic and one for hardy | 23:45 |
| Q-FUNK | submitted to debian as well | 23:46 |
| bryce | alright, I can do the karmic one. For the other you'll need an sru | 23:48 |
| Q-FUNK | indeed | 23:48 |
| bryce | hmm, patch didn't apply | 23:49 |
| Q-FUNK | no? | 23:49 |
| bryce | Applying patch 186_autoconfig_geode.patch | 23:49 |
| bryce | patching file hw/xfree86/common/xf86AutoConfig.c | 23:49 |
| bryce | Hunk #1 FAILED at 144. | 23:49 |
| bryce | Hunk #2 succeeded at 152 (offset 1 line). | 23:49 |
| bryce | 1 out of 2 hunks FAILED -- rejects in file hw/xfree86/common/xf86AutoConfig.c | 23:49 |
| bryce | Restoring hw/xfree86/common/xf86AutoConfig.c | 23:49 |
| bryce | Patch 186_autoconfig_geode.patch does not apply (enforce with -f) | 23:49 |
| bryce | Restoring hw/xfree86/common/xf86AutoConfig.c | 23:49 |
| bryce | failed! (check stampdir/log/patch for details) | 23:49 |
| bryce | make: *** [stampdir/patch] Error 1 | 23:49 |
| bryce | dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2 | 23:49 |
| bryce | E: Failed autobuilding of package | 23:49 |
| Q-FUNK | hm | 23:49 |
| Q-FUNK | you picked the 1.6 patch? | 23:50 |
| Q-FUNK | here, it worked when I built test packages for my PPA | 23:50 |
| bryce | right, commit 842b7a47d583a77 from the last comment | 23:50 |
| Q-FUNK | that commit might not apply as is | 23:51 |
| Q-FUNK | besides, I made minor adjustments in upstream git (mainly additional comments) | 23:51 |
| Q-FUNK | however, the attached patch is diffed against whatever is in karmic and jaunty | 23:51 |
| Q-FUNK | IIRC upstream git has a somewhat noticable diff between 1.6.3 and... was it 1.6.99 now? | 23:53 |
| bryce | ah well thanks for uploading it | 23:54 |
| bryce | er upstreaming it | 23:55 |
| bryce | uploaded other patch, hope that'll work for you | 23:55 |
| Q-FUNK | it should | 23:56 |
| Q-FUNK | in karmic, at least, the fixed gx2 support is already there, so the only part missing is that autoconfig | 23:56 |
| Q-FUNK | https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/xorg-server/+bug/423866/comments/9 | 23:57 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 423866 in xorg-server "AutoConfigure support for older Geodes" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 23:57 |
| Q-FUNK | this particular comment explains the whole situation | 23:57 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!
