[00:47] <nicklas_> yo
[00:50] <MTec007> im looking for a compatible internal wifi card for my dell laptop
[00:50] <MTec007> (xubuntu compatable)
[00:50] <SiDi> hey MTec007
[00:50] <SiDi> Wanna buy a dell lappy ?
[00:50] <MTec007> i know this isnt the shopping channel, but i dont know where to look
[00:50] <MTec007> maybe
[00:50] <SiDi> I have a Dell vostro 1510
[00:51] <SiDi> Wifi iwl3945
[00:51] <SiDi> it works fine, the only problems i have with it is that i cant rmmod the module without a system crash
[00:51] <SiDi> but thats not the kind of thing one ever needs to do
[00:51] <SiDi> it scans networks fine (its not WONDERFUL but i do get quite a lot of networks) and it doesnt randomly disconnect or w/e
[00:53] <nicklas_> http://imagebin.org/62937
[00:53] <MTec007> SiDi, is it on the cheap?
[00:54] <SiDi> on the chip / cheap ?
[00:54] <MTec007> cheap; is the laptop cheap?
[00:54] <SiDi> hm, its average
[00:55] <SiDi> i think its worth its price.
[00:56] <MTec007> it sounds like i cant afford it :) but thanks
[01:00] <MTec007> do you know where i can find that internal wifi card?
[01:02] <SiDi> Nope :/
[01:02] <MTec007> ;) ok
[01:02] <SiDi> it's a quite common one though :P
[01:03] <SiDi> HP sells some laptops with Intel cards too
[01:03] <SiDi> Dell has other laptops with other intel cards
[01:03] <SiDi> You got a desktop PC or laptop ?
[01:03] <MTec007> laptop, dell inspiron 1200, intel
[01:37] <nicklas_> quake live time
[01:42] <redDEADresolve> MTec007, minipci?
[01:42] <MTec007> redDEADresolve, i dont know
[01:43] <redDEADresolve> MTec007, dell inspiron 1200 are you sure?
[01:43] <MTec007> positive
[01:44] <MTec007> bought it in may 2005
[01:45] <redDEADresolve> ok im looking at the google results
[01:45] <meglo> i'm hiv positive
[01:45] <MTec007> well since i know its a minipci now i think i can find one
[01:46] <redDEADresolve> MTec007, The area that the Inspiron 1200 really needs improvement is in the connectivity. Wireless networking has become extremely common yet the system lacks integrated wireless. In order for users to get this ability, they must purchase a separate PC card to use the only type II PC Card slot.
[01:46] <MTec007> but i need to make sure its gonna play nice with xubuntu
[01:46] <MTec007> i have a card that plugs in the side
[01:46] <MTec007> for wifi
[01:47] <meglo> ralink usb wifi
[01:47] <meglo> err
[01:47] <meglo> well what is that good Taiwanese manufacturer
[01:47] <meglo> doesn't require binary firmware
[01:47] <meglo> very well supported
[01:48] <MTec007> well usb is fine and all, but the card im using now works fine but im trying to move the wifi to internal
[01:48] <meglo> ugh computers
[01:48] <redDEADresolve> MTec007, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_Card#Type_II
[01:48] <MTec007> except for when i stress my network connection.. then i just loose all connection
[01:49] <redDEADresolve> MTec007, no internal for you they only connect via pc card type II
[01:50] <MTec007> then what is the empty socket in my laptop for?
[01:50] <redDEADresolve> MTec007, true that i shand corrected it will be internal with a lump standing out
[01:51] <MTec007> i already have the lump sticking out. i have the wireless card
[01:51] <redDEADresolve> i was being to literal but now you know what kind of card you are looking for, theyre not too common anymore. try ubuntu compatibility list or googling models you find on ebay forsale
[01:51] <MTec007> i want something internal now if there is a card to fit inside the laptop.. where the other empty socket is
[01:52] <MTec007> ok
[01:53] <MTec007> well its past my bed time. got to get up for work at 4
[08:15] <mikubuntu> guys i can't figure out how to save a video file that arrives in email, like a .wmv or mpeg3 , etc... to later upload to youtube or facebook anybody willing to teach me?
[08:15] <mikubuntu> if i right click i don't get any save or save as options
[15:31] <slow-motion> hi
[19:50] <nicklas_> hey, anyone knows the difference between nexuiz-linux-x86_64-glx and nexuiz-linux-x86_64-sdl ???
[20:08] <googeek> Hey there. My Audio worked out of the box with Ubuntu, but doesn't in Xubuntu. I was wondering if anyone knows the package I need
[20:56] <hermitcrabred> Hi!
[21:03] <SiDi> hi
[21:19] <nicklas_> hello, i installed some games, and did a reboot, when the desktop was about to start the panels they tried to start a few times before giving up, im using xubuntu and have checked, xfce4-panel package is installed
[21:21] <nicklas_> anyone knows why this happens?
[21:53] <invisime> (relative) newbie seeking help getting sound working. anyone willing to dare the dreadful waters?
[21:53] <invisime> or, you know, for that matter, anyone around? :P
[21:53] <invisime> (I know how quiet these places can be.)
[22:14] <SiDi> hi invisime
[22:14] <invisime> hey, SiDi.
[22:14] <SiDi> What's wrong with the sound currently ? What sound card do you have ?
[22:14] <SiDi> Did you previously install gnome / pulseaudio ?
[22:14] <invisime> maybe?
[22:15] <SiDi> YOur sound card is maybe ? :P
[22:15] <invisime> yeah, it's one of those off-brands.
[22:15] <invisime> I forget the succinct command to list all my pci connections.
[22:15] <SiDi> lspci | grep Audio
[22:15] <invisime> ... yeah. I feel dumb.
[22:15] <SiDi> If it's a STAC92xx or an Intel HDA it should be easy to find out what's wrong
[22:15] <invisime> as soon as I said "list pci" I remembered. :P
[22:16] <SiDi> if its a more elaborated card then i won't have any clue :P
[22:16] <invisime> it's an intel ICH6
[22:16] <SiDi> Okies
[22:16] <SiDi> So what are the symptoms ?
[22:16] <invisime> volume icon in the system tray is greyed out.
[22:16] <invisime> when I click it, I get this dialogue messages:
[22:17] <invisime> GStreamer was unable to detect any sound devices. Some sound system specific GStreamer packages may be missing. It may also be a permissions problem.
[22:17] <invisime> message, singular.
[22:17] <SiDi> Okey
[22:17] <SiDi> (This is not a virtualbox guest ? A  real machine, and the sound card does exist ?)
[22:17] <invisime> yeah, this is just my laptop.
[22:17] <SiDi> Okey
[22:17] <invisime> and the sound was working on this install, but not recently.
[22:17] <invisime> and I didn't notice when it stopped, so I don't know what the catalyst was.
[22:18] <SiDi> So, you installed Xubuntu, did you install anything else ? (mostly, Kubuntu or ubuntu-desktop)
[22:18] <invisime> nope.
[22:18] <invisime> just some software.
[22:18] <SiDi> Can you please type 'aptitude search pulseaudio' and tell me if there is a 'i' or a 'p' in the beginning of the line
[22:18] <invisime> p.
[22:18] <SiDi> Okey
[22:19] <SiDi> I suppose you regularly do system updates ? There probably has been a kernel update recently ?
[22:19] <invisime> I am pretty current on my updates, yes.
[22:19] <invisime> none pending, in fact.
[22:20] <SiDi> Okey. So the most likely reason is that the last kernel update made your drivers go berserk :P
[22:20] <SiDi> Can you please give me the brand of the laptop ?
[22:20] <SiDi> And the result of uname -r ?
[22:20] <invisime> it's an oldish dell.
[22:20] <invisime> 2.6.28-15-generic
[22:20] <SiDi> (I'll need the exact model name, sorry)
[22:21] <invisime> is "precision m70" specific enough?
[22:21] <SiDi> HM lets hope
[22:21] <SiDi> That's really old isnt it ?
[22:22] <invisime> 4ish years.
[22:22] <SiDi> Type this also please :cat /proc/asound/card0/codec\#* | grep Codec
[22:22] <SiDi> you can paste it on http://paste.ubuntu.com
[22:22] <invisime> I don't seem to have an asound folder.
[22:23] <SiDi> :/
[22:23] <invisime> some other symptoms.
[22:23] <SiDi> Can you please try to reboot on an older version of the kernel ?
[22:23] <invisime> running 'alsamixer' returns 'alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory'
[22:24] <invisime> running 'aplay -l' returns ''aplay: device_list:217: no soundcards found...'
[22:24] <invisime> how do I select the older version?
[22:26] <SiDi> in grub, there should be several entries
[22:26] <SiDi> with older versions listed
[22:26] <invisime> I'll brb then.
[22:27] <SiDi> okey
[22:27] <SiDi> just before
[22:27] <invisime> ?
[22:27] <SiDi> can you please paste me lsmod | grep snd ?
[22:27] <invisime> none.
[22:27] <SiDi> weird
[22:27] <SiDi> a complete lsmod then please ? :)
[22:28] <invisime> http://paste.ubuntu.com/267561/
[22:29] <SiDi> (you can reboot now, we'll see if you have more modules loaded on an older version)
[22:29] <invisime> mk.
[22:33] <invisime> sound's working. :P
[22:33] <SiDi> great:)
[22:34] <SiDi> now, we'll check for error messages in your logs, and report the bug
[22:34] <invisime> this is on the old kernel though.
[22:34] <SiDi> Yeh, there is probably something preventing your 'snd' module from loading with the new kernel
[22:35] <invisime> that's annoying.
[22:35] <SiDi> I have strictly no idea which log to look in :/
[22:35] <invisime> since this kernel apparently isn't playing nicely with my graphics card. >_>
[22:35] <invisime> running in low graphics mode, atm.
[22:35] <SiDi> hah :x
[22:36] <SiDi> what GPU is that ?
[22:36] <invisime> dunno. some nvidia card.
[22:37] <SiDi> (i have no idea where to look for errors, so i suggest you file a bug in https://bugzilla.kernel.org with a detailled description of the problem, the kernel version with which it stopped working, the distro name, and the output of the dmesg command)
[22:37] <SiDi> The low graphics mode might come from the fact that your restricted nvidia drivers got updated to work with the new kernel
[22:38] <SiDi> the guys on kernel.org's bugzilla are quite responsive, so they should probably ask you soon to give them some more accurate information, and they'll then be able to work on the bug
[22:39] <invisime> hold on, I'm going to reboot X.
[22:44] <meglo> I don't think the 'Action Buttons' widget works to lockscreen when you have a different login manager installed(like SLiM), is lockscreen handled by GDM or something?
[22:44] <cellofellow> hi
[22:44] <SiDi> meglo: its handled by the power manager
[22:44] <SiDi> by the screensaver X_X *
[22:44] <meglo> SiDi,
[22:44] <meglo> wat
[22:44] <meglo> oh
[22:44] <meglo> yeah
[22:45] <meglo> That is what I thought, gnome screensaver yeah
[22:45] <meglo> But, I can't invoke that from screensaver-settings or the lockscreen action button that is on the panel by default :\
[22:46] <invisime> so yeah, sound's working now.
[22:46] <SiDi_> meglo: what was the last message you got from me please ?
[22:46] <invisime> and the graphic's card is not sucking so much.
 by the screensaver X_X *
[22:46] <SiDi_> invisime: don't forget to report the bug please
[22:46] <knome> !bugs | invisime
[22:46] <cellofellow> I'm on GNOME but the people in #ubuntu are idiots. I have a problem where every so often (not right now, thankfully, but it was half an hour ago) my dbus-daemon session bus starts hogging ~30% of my CPU. I can't find any strange processes connecting to it and googling helps none. Any ideas how to fix this? The only way to get it to stop is to log out and the restart dbus from the console.
[22:47] <meglo> power management is inside gnome's screensaver settings it seems, SiDi
[22:47] <SiDi_> meglo: okey, so yeah, the lock screen ability is managed by gnome-screensaver | xscreensaver | xlock | xlockmore
[22:47] <meglo> SiDi_*
[22:47] <SiDi_> meglo: gnome-screensaver does a pit of screen power management but gnome-power-manager actually does it
[22:47] <SiDi_> invisime: if i were you i would file it directly at bugzilla.kernel.org
[22:47] <SiDi_> they have about 5700 open bugs on launchpad for the kernel so it will be processed faster
[22:48] <meglo> SiDi_, but the 'Action Buttons' for the xfce panel doesn't offer to select what screensaver/locker I want to use, and only lets me click it uselessly.
[22:48] <SiDi_> cellofellow: no idea.
[22:48] <SiDi_> meglo: only one of these applications can run at a time. they all provide the same (standard) interface for screen locking
[22:49] <SiDi_> there is no reason why it wouldnt work with gdm uninstalled, except maybe if slim doesnt launch gnome-screensaver ;)
[22:49] <meglo> SiDi_, well I should look into Xfce docs then, the user interface isn't configurable or working
[22:49] <SiDi_> knome: i fear that bug wont be reported :P
[22:49] <meglo> SiDi_, I believe I--
[22:49] <meglo> Oh, maybe so
[22:49] <knome> SiDi_, me too :P
[22:49] <SiDi_> knome: what a shame for HIM on next ubuntu update :P
[22:50] <SiDi_> meglo: is the screensaver running ?
[22:50] <knome> SiDi_, i suppose you should walk through the bug reporting progress with people ;)
[22:50] <meglo> SiDi_, apparently not,
[22:50] <SiDi_> knome: true... especially since bugzilla isnt very friendly :/
[22:51] <SiDi_> meglo: you may be able to just add it to autostart in apps -> settings -> Session & boot
[22:51] <knome> SiDi_, maybe -devel
[22:52] <meglo> I also need to restart my session apparently, switched back in networkmanager and gdm
[22:52] <meglo> but i'll just leave it
[22:52] <meglo> and install xlockmore or something
[22:53] <meglo> session management? i just use startx and open screen in an xterm :X
[22:54] <meglo> ok I just launched it from a run dialog and magic works, added it to xfce session then
[22:57] <SiDi_> meglo: use startxfce4 then
[22:58] <SiDi_> it'll launch your XFCE session and your XFCE autostart defined apps
[22:58] <meglo> SiDi_, that is what I use in slim, but it wasn't starting gnome-screensaver. But now it is, or should.
[22:58] <SiDi_> great
[23:11] <nicklas_> hey, how do you manage the menu in xfce?
[23:12] <knome> in xfce 4.6 (xubuntu 9.04) there is no menu editor, unfortunately
[23:13] <SiDi_> heya zniavre
[23:13] <zniavre> good evening SiDi_  and all-others
[23:13] <knome> zniavre o/
[23:14] <zniavre> be back soon
[23:15] <SiDi_> What are you doing zniavre  ? :P
[23:15] <zniavre> i feel lost it's horrible
[23:15] <SiDi_> switched to xubuntu ? :D
[23:16] <zniavre> im trying to kill top panel to put tint instead
[23:16] <SiDi_> right click, properties
[23:16] <SiDi_> (well, 'Configurer le panneau' exactly)
[23:16] <zniavre> it comes back each relog
[23:17] <SiDi_> Then click on the remove button of the Panel window that popped up
[23:17] <nicklas_> there is no way to install a menu editor then?
[23:17] <zniavre> it's exactly what i did
[23:22] <knome> nicklas_, not really a 100% working one, no.
[23:23] <nicklas_> knome, so this means that youre gonna have to live with having useless shortcuts in the menu?
[23:23] <knome> nicklas_, there is the xml editing way.
[23:24] <nicklas_> knome, gui?
[23:24] <knome> no gui.
[23:24] <nicklas_> knome, or text file?
[23:24] <nicklas_> knome, ok, how then?
[23:24] <knome> text file, yes.
[23:24] <meglo> knome, not a 100% working one, but there is something?
[23:24] <meglo> a front end GUI to the xml
[23:24] <meglo> perhaps?
[23:25] <knome> there is *no* menu editor for xfce 4.6. some menu editors work a bit similarly, but they are gnome menu editors thus you'd need to edit the xml files by hand anyway.
[23:25] <SiDi_> meglo: the current ubuntu menu editor only works for GNOME. The author said he would look into XFCE compatibility
[23:25] <nicklas_> knome, and where do i find the files?
[23:26] <knome> nicklas_, /usr/share/applications
[23:26] <meglo> SiDi_, avant?
[23:26] <SiDi_> alacarte
[23:26] <meglo> ah yeah
[23:26] <knome> nicklas_, tbh, if you're gonna edit the files you're going to need to google anyway, so i think you could find this out also yourself. no meaning to be rude, but there's not a lot information we can give you.
[23:27] <SiDi_> http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
[23:27] <meglo> SiDi_, hmmm maybe there is something cutting edge in dev to compile
[23:27] <SiDi_> meglo: i doubt so :P
[23:28] <meglo> Dragging and dropping menu items onto the tray for quicklaunchers and a menu editor would be something I should paypal xfce4's developers for
[23:28] <zniavre> mmm it was not realy a good idea all apps runing twice now
[23:28] <meglo> the tray -> the panel
[23:28] <zniavre> but top panel disapear
[23:29] <SiDi_> zniavre: you clicked on save ? :P
[23:29] <zniavre> yep but i forgot to close some apps before
[23:29] <zniavre> :o)
[23:30] <meglo> is all this stuff on xfce's menu generated from debian-menu or what
[23:30] <knome> meglo, your message have been forwarded to the xfce developers.
[23:30] <meglo> knome, waaaaaaat
[23:30] <nicklas_> weird, the apps arent in /usr/share/applications anymore, but still in menu
[23:31] <knome> meglo, yes? ;)
[23:31] <SiDi_> nicklas_: dont erase files in /usr/share/applications
[23:31] <SiDi_> copy them to .local/share/applications and add the line to hide them in the menu
[23:31] <SiDi_> see the faq i posted above
[23:32] <knome> meglo, once you have money, you can paypal JPohlmann. ;)
[23:34] <knome> meglo, 01:34 +JPohlmann: Drag and drop of menu items to launchers is something we want to support in 4.8.
[23:34] <meglo> Nice
[23:35] <meglo> I'm googling for mailing list mentions about alacarte supporting xfce
[23:37] <knome> meglo, 01:35 +JPohlmann: Alacarte will work with 4.8. An alacarte version based on garcon is vaguely planned.
[23:38] <meglo> I remember reading about garcon but it was just on a bullet point, I can't find a project page
[23:39] <meglo> they have a 'libxfce4menu' apparently
[23:39] <SiDi_> which will be replaced by garçon, afaik
[23:39] <SiDi_> good night people
[23:39] <meglo> so one can use alacarte or some other one written for it
[23:39] <meglo> oh
[23:41] <knome> meglo, if you want to talk more about xfce menu editing, join #xfce-dev
[23:42] <meglo> knome, do they have a commit bot?
[23:43] <knome> meglo, feel free to ask yourself. you are now voiced and can talk in the channel
[23:43] <meglo> knome, they aren't scary like gnome developers are they
[23:44] <knome> meglo, not really :)
[23:53] <knome> i have to go to sleep now. good night everybody!