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JontheEchidnavorian: could you take a look at bug 426550 please?01:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 426550 in kio-beagle "[FFE] New upstream release (kio-beagle 0.4.0)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42655001:10
nixternalshtylman: will do01:16
shtylmannixternal: thanks01:17
nixternalshtylman: do the slides have to be exactly what you have thus far? I feel it would be better to have topics instead of apps... ie. Welcome (About Kubuntu) -> Internet (Konqi/Arora/Firefox) -> Personal Information Management (Kontact/KMail/Calendar/Contacts) -> Multimedia (Amarok/Kaffeine/whatever) -> Socializing (Kopete/Choqok/whatever) -> Office Suite (take a guess) -> Accessibility -> Installing Software -> Get Help (Docs and such) ->03:38
nixternalsomething to that effect, not necessarily in that order03:38
shtylmannixternal: nope...they can be in any order and feel free to add more slides/remove slides03:39
nixternaloh you rock dude :)03:39
shtylmanthey do have to adhere to the layout though03:39
nixternalright, the layout is sweet :)03:39
shtylmanI made the current order and content up to get something going...but feel free to make it whatever03:40
nixternalI will put a little spin on it and run it past you and the others03:40
shtylmansounds good03:40
shtylmanif you ping me and I am not here....just shoot me an email...I don't have access to IRC at work..but email I do03:42
nixternalroger that, thanks03:42
vorianJontheEchidna: looking03:51
nixternalScottK: are we shipping Arora or is Konqi still going to be our browser?04:01
ScottKnixternal: Konqi04:16
ScottKArora on the dvd.04:16
nixternalroger that04:17
nixternalhrmm...04:17
nixternalScottK: is choqok getting installed by default?04:25
* ScottK checks04:26
nixternalcan't remember if that was decided or not04:26
ScottKAccording to the live CD manifest, no.04:27
ScottKnixternal: Checked the seeds.  It's on the dvd.04:28
vorianqwit is a nice app, it's small enough for the cd 8-)04:53
nixternalonly for twitter? choqok rocks my socks off04:54
nixternalit should be a serious contender for being on the cd04:54
voriannixternal: it does twitter and identi.ca04:55
nixternalI would like to know how and why the other distros are having no probs with cd space and applications like we do04:55
vorianit only depends on qt, so it's much quicker04:55
nixternalhell, most even ship with kdegames04:55
vorianyeah04:55
* ScottK has been doing netbook stuff on both identi.ca and twitter and has gotten hugely more response from twitter.04:55
nixternalScottK: ditto :)04:56
nixternalI have been using twitter a bit more than identi.ca honestly04:56
voriantritto04:56
ScottKIt works.04:56
nixternaltwitto :p04:56
vorian:)04:56
voriani mean't tri as in 304:56
nixternalI have a huge writers/designers block going on04:56
nixternalI want to help with the slideshows, but I am absolutely retarded right now04:56
nixternalthe past 2 days I have been patching and sealing one hell of a driveway04:57
vorianyikes04:57
nixternalgot a new power washer too...so tomorrow I am going to spend a little time power washing the patios, shed, and sides of the house :)04:58
vorianhaha04:58
ScottKEarlier I saw you were fantisizing about Gnome.04:58
vorianwhat psi?04:58
ScottKAt least is wasn't Vista this time.04:58
nixternalpfft04:58
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reficspstarr: 23:46:39 < spstarr> yeah, I will get a PPA setup for Qt 4.6/KDE trunk for people wanting to play, it will take time though at least for the KDE bits, I dont build of all of KDE daily, just the parts I use mainly for development08:14
reficgood :)08:14
spstarr:)08:14
spstarrrefic: I'll probably scrape the existing deb packaging and script up some stuff to pull nightly svn into bzip2balls or so08:28
spstarrshould be easy as long as things don't change too much08:29
reficspstarr: alright08:38
apacheloggershtylman: pretty pretty please :)08:40
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jussi01rgreening: the new usb creator worked well. still no formatting tho13:48
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rgreeningjussi01: yeah, hopefully 0.2.6 will have this fixed. We also hope to have policykit integration by then (fingers crossed) so we can kiss Kdesudo good-bye and good riddance :)14:28
jussi01yippee14:28
rgreening:)14:28
rgreeningScottK: are we thinking on implementing Qt 4.6 for Karmic? TP1 is now available for testing...14:29
ScottKrgreening: NO.14:29
rgreeningdang. lol14:29
JontheEchidnahahaha14:29
ScottKWe don't want to be out of sync with KDE and Qt versions again.14:30
JontheEchidnaThat would be Kubuntu 9.10, codename "We will have no credibility ever again" version :P14:30
ScottKThere was recently some discussion about Qt 4.6 on the KDE ml and it lookst like 4.6 will be supported with KDE 4.4.14:30
JontheEchidnaI don't think even Fedora would do something that crazy14:31
Riddellhola14:31
ScottKWhoa.14:32
ScottKhola Riddell14:32
Riddelldid I miss anything?14:32
ScottKRiddell: http://d0od.blogspot.com/2009/09/karmic-netbook-remix-review.html14:32
rgreeninghey Riddell14:33
rgreeningI almost had a cow yesterday.. I though the meeting was yesterday and I missed it. hahah...14:33
* ScottK notes Adept uploads happening in Debian.14:34
ScottKIt'd be nice if someone would make it build here.14:34
JontheEchidnaI tried locally yesterday^14:34
JontheEchidnabuilt-in libept (wth?) ftbfs with our gcc14:34
ScottKYep.14:35
* JontheEchidna wonders if libept proper fails too...14:36
JontheEchidnaI seem to recall it having gcc 4.2 issues once upon a time as well14:36
ScottKcjwatson is currently considering the runes needed to convince LP to rebuild the archive, so we should know soonish.14:36
JontheEchidna/tmp/buildd/adept-3.0~beta7.2/ept/debtags/vocabulary.cc: In member function 'std::string ept::debtags::Vocabulary::tagShortName(int) const':14:41
JontheEchidna/tmp/buildd/adept-3.0~beta7.2/ept/debtags/vocabulary.cc:192: error: invalid conversion from 'const char*' to 'char*'14:41
apacheloggerScottK: eww, remix14:42
ScottKapachelogger: Yeah.  It's not perfect, but I'll take it.14:42
apacheloggerso how comes that kde not-even-alpha beats canonical supposed-to-be-alpha software?14:42
wstephensonwhat's the package name of the plasma-applet-networkmanager debuginfo package?14:43
apacheloggerwstephenson: plasma-applet-networkmanager-dbg I would suppose14:43
ScottKIt'd be plasma-networkmanagement-dbg or dbgsym14:43
wstephensonapachelogger: guessing, canonical doesn't care if kubuntu ships borken non-alpha stuff?14:43
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: nah, needs the dbgsym repos14:43
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: ewww14:44
apacheloggerwho did that?14:44
ScottKwstephenson: No.  The point was our stuff was the stuff not crashing (plasma-netbook)14:44
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: debian14:44
apacheloggercan we haz -dbg plz?14:44
wstephensoncould one of you give me a 2 line instruction what repo to register and how, and what -dbg package to install? i'm getting loads of bad backtraces from 9.04 users14:44
JontheEchidnaThis repo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash14:45
JontheEchidnawell, the repo on that wiki14:45
JontheEchidnathen plasma-widget-networkmanagement-dbgsym14:45
apacheloggerScottK: also, wil the fac that netbook entered workspace and is scheduled for 4.4 have any affect on our deployment plans for karmic? ... quality?14:45
JontheEchidnathough since it's a ppa package in 9.04 it probably won't be there....14:45
wstephensoni'm still listening :)14:46
ScottKapachelogger: It's limited out ability to track further feature improvements as they've moved hard onto 4.4.  It doesn't directly limit our ability to ship what we planned.14:46
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: which is the main reason I find the seperated repo rather awful14:46
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: yeah...14:46
apacheloggerwstephenson: it really depends on the precise version of the package14:46
JontheEchidnaat the least, it should only be a 5 minute job to make a -dbg package for the 9.04 backports14:46
wstephensonapachelogger: most people haven't told me the svn revision, but the app version is 0.8 so it's a newish version14:47
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: we should hook into our dh/cdbs magic and make them create dbg packages for everything and the universe14:47
wstephensonapachelogger: in any case it's the kde4 knetworkmanager not the plasmoid14:48
apacheloggerwstephenson: probably ppa then, JontheEchidna can push out a dbg package for that :)14:48
wstephensonJontheEchidna: pretty please with sugar on top :)14:48
* apachelogger is wondering why his plasma keeps crashing today14:48
JontheEchidnawstephenson: yup, I'm on it14:48
* apachelogger starts thinking about dbg love all over the place meanwhile14:49
JontheEchidna...and I plan to be a bit faster than semi-daily builds :P14:49
wstephensoncool :)14:50
wstephensonJontheEchidna: can i tell bug reporters that the dbg will be in the same ppa as they got knm 4 from?14:50
JontheEchidnawstephenson: yeah, it will be once I'm done.14:50
wstephensonJontheEchidna: "plasma-widget-networkmanagement-dbgsym",  "plasma-widget-networkmanagement-dbg", or both?14:53
JontheEchidnawstephenson: the latter is true for 9.0414:53
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: also push dbg for karmic I'd say?14:54
JontheEchidnahmm14:55
JontheEchidnaI suppose we're not trying to stay close to debian for the rest of this release anyways, since they're liable to change their minds 20 times betweeen now and when it hits sid14:55
apacheloggerlol14:57
JontheEchidnathe new package is building in the staging ppa. once it builds/publishes I'll copy it over to the -backports ppa14:58
rgreeningRiddell: ping15:02
Riddellhi rgreening15:03
rgreeningRiddell: are you able to help in getting me on the right path for translations for lp:usb-creator  kde front-end? I have no idea on how to make the app properly use the gettext locale usbcreator (or if i've done it right/wrong so far)15:03
rgreeningotherwise, the app will end up shipping with broken or no translations... :(15:04
Riddellit should just import gettext and wrap strings in the _("foo") method15:04
Riddellwhich should be copyable from the gtk one15:04
RiddellI need to go out now, I'll take a closer look in an hour or so15:05
rgreeningRiddell: and what about the ki8ln strings when KDE requires them15:05
rgreeningok15:05
Riddellwell you can use KDE translations but it's probably better just to share translations with the gtk one and that means using gettext directly15:05
rgreeningthanks. thats what I was hoping/intending to achieve.15:06
rgreeningRiddell: I would appreciate you poking through the frontend/kde/frontend.py and let me know what changes I should make15:06
rgreeningty15:06
rgreeningRiddell:  I think my confusion is in the ki8ln stuff in places (which I think I need to remove). And to ensure that the UI strings are loaded and translated somehow (which I am not sure I am doing correctly).15:08
rgreeningso when you get back then... we can discuss further. ty Riddell15:08
apacheloggerRiddell, rgreening: that said, with apturl I hit encoding problems .. apparently gdebi implements a utf8() encoder to work around that15:09
apacheloggeris there any common solution or approach to that?15:10
apacheloggerseems like one quite big reason to not use  python :P15:10
rgreeningnot a python issue. it's clearly the programmer/user15:10
rgreening:)15:10
rgreeninghe's a rubyite I believe15:10
* rgreening ducks15:11
apacheloggerI did not create gdebi :{15:11
apachelogger:P15:11
apacheloggerthough I must say ... people claim ruby1.8's encoding stuff is messed up, yet python fails to do simple things simple :P15:11
ScottKFixed in Python 3 already.15:21
ScottKIt wasn't possible to make Python truly UTF-8 in a fully backward compatible way15:22
apacheloggerScottK: when is that going to become default?15:26
ScottKNot for some time.  Lots of porting work in apps and modules.15:27
flacosteRiddell: i have installed the latest plasma-network-management package, but i don't see any difference with previous version, adding it to the panel shows a cell-phone on a white background and i don't see any way to get the wifi status or get it configured?15:27
ScottKCertainly doesn't help your immediate problem15:27
apacheloggermeh15:27
ScottKflacoste: It also provides a systray app.  Use that.15:28
flacosteScottK: how do I start this?15:30
ScottKflacoste: knetworkmanager in your konsole to manually start it. It should autostart from then on15:30
flacosteah, ok15:31
flacostethat's what i was using previously15:31
flacostei though it was obsolete15:31
ScottKSame name, different code base15:31
ScottKThat one was, IIRC KNetworkManager15:31
flacosteok, got it, thanks15:31
JontheEchidnawstephenson: ok, -dbg packages are a go15:43
JontheEchidnaSo this is the function in adept's built-in libept that causes the ftbfs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/267984/15:54
JontheEchidnathe problem is a conversion from a const char to a char15:54
wstephensonJontheEchidna: ta muchly15:54
JontheEchidnawould it be awful to make fullname un-constant?15:55
JontheEchidnawstephenson: you're welcome15:55
JontheEchidnaactually that'd cause a ftbfs itself... hrm15:56
JontheEchidnaconstifying sub would compile, but would it be safe?15:57
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: what do you think about this: override_dh_strip to cp control to control.orig and inject a dbg package into the control file, then run dh_strip with the new package as dbg-package defined16:00
apacheloggeroverride_dh_clean to move control.orig back to control16:01
JontheEchidnaI assume that there'd be a check for existing -dbg packages, correct?16:02
apacheloggerdescriptions will not be that awesome but technically that should be a sufficient solution, also since dh_strip is considerably late in the binary stack it should not cause conflicts with all the other fancy things at hand16:02
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: well, that is minor checking :P16:02
apacheloggerif ! grep -dbg control16:02
JontheEchidnahow would we handle dependencies on -dbg packages from other packages? For instance plasma-widget-nm should really depend on kdebase-workspace-dbg so that it gets Solid::Networking debug symbols16:03
apacheloggercan't16:04
apacheloggerthough16:04
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: we could parse the shlibdeps and add -dbg packages for all that match kde16:04
apacheloggerthough16:04
apacheloggerthat would not work  :S16:05
apacheloggerpackage not always package-dbg but sometimes metapackage-dbg16:05
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: we could place a file in the debian dir that defines that kind of stuff16:05
apacheloggerdebian/debug.deps16:06
apacheloggerif not present just depend on kdelibs5-dbg16:06
apacheloggerthat should cover the better part of plasma and regular apps16:06
JontheEchidnasounds feasible :)16:06
apacheloggers/kdelibs5-dbg/kdelibs5-dbg and binary unless binary == binaries16:07
JontheEchidnaCould somebody do a sanity check on my FTBFS fix? http://paste.ubuntu.com/267996/16:22
JontheEchidna...aside from those indentation errors16:23
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ScottKIf it builds, ship it ...16:32
JontheEchidnait does. (and I've played around with debtags without crashing it)16:38
JontheEchidnaSo, I'll update adept then16:38
ScottKYou might send the change back to mornfall too.16:40
agateauJontheEchidna: this is wrong16:40
agateauJontheEchidna: strcpy expects sub to contain enough room to store the copy16:40
JontheEchidnaah, but since I didn't initialize it with a size...16:41
agateauit's a dangling pointer16:41
agateaucan you pastebin the build error16:41
agateauI am surprised the original code does not build16:41
agateauoh it must be a const error?16:42
JontheEchidnayeah, const converstion16:42
JontheEchidnahttp://paste.ubuntu.com/268005/16:42
agateaumaking sub const should fix it, no?16:43
JontheEchidnayeah, that would work. but doesn't the value get changed when it gets returned?16:43
* JontheEchidna is a C++ noob16:43
agateauwhich value?16:44
agateauthe "return sub + 2" ?16:44
JontheEchidnayeah16:44
agateauno, this does not modify sub16:44
agateauit adds sub and 2 and return a new value16:44
agateausub = sub + 2 would have modified it16:44
JontheEchidnaoh, right16:44
agateaubut then gcc would have complained16:45
JontheEchidnaok, then I'll just const sub16:45
JontheEchidnaI thought something like this might happen ;-D16:45
agateau:)16:46
JontheEchidnabug 42690116:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 426901 in adept "Merge adept 3.0~beta7.2 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42690116:57
JontheEchidnapatch also sent to mornfall17:01
apacheloggerit might be time to reinstall my workstation17:05
apachelogger3 dev cycles certainly didn't do that poor any good :D17:05
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I think I have a somewhat working initial hook17:07
apacheloggerstill need to fiddle with the package names and stuff17:07
apacheloggerbut technically it is working :D17:07
ScottKJontheEchidna: It's in Universe.  Just upload it.17:16
JontheEchidnaoh, I thought it was still in main17:16
ScottKNope17:16
JontheEchidnacool17:16
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apacheloggerScottK: can haz ffe for firefox-theme-oxygen?17:44
ScottKapachelogger: I think vorian's your man.17:44
ScottKI'm sure we can get the New done if it's needed17:45
apacheloggervorian: ffe?17:45
* apachelogger sends a windows appliance across the network and hopes nothing explodes17:47
davmor2shtylman_: if your around did I hear you say that kub was having slideshow on the installer too?17:53
apacheloggerdavmor2: at least he got code for it17:54
davmor2apachelogger: I know I heard him on about it, it just didn't show up on today's iso so wanted to see if it was in yet :)17:55
apacheloggerdavmor2: if he got it uploaded before 4amUTC it should be in, so I suppose he did not upload17:56
apacheloggerScottK: re shipping of plasma-netbook isn't it still quite limited in functionality?18:08
apacheloggerwhat we have that is18:08
ScottKapachelogger: It does the basic stuff you expect a shell to do reasonably well.18:08
ScottKSome of it is rather hard coded and not very configurable, but quite usable.18:09
apacheloggerScottK: the launch-stuff thing also works?18:09
ScottKYes18:09
apacheloggercool18:09
ScottKNeed to figure out the installer bit for the Live CD18:09
apacheloggergotta check it out again soonish18:09
apacheloggerScottK: well, either we rape the code or we provide a config18:10
ScottKRight18:10
apacheloggerearlier is probably easier considering plasma+kiosk insanity18:10
Tonio_ScottK: kdebluetooth has received commits those days18:55
Tonio_ScottK: shouldn't we have a look ?18:55
vorianapachelogger: got a ffe bug # for me?19:17
apacheloggervorian: too lazy to do the paper work today :P19:18
apacheloggercreating a package was hard work I tell you19:19
apacheloggerso, is it me or does pkgenpack just not work in karmic/onubuntu?19:19
vorianlol19:19
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ScottKTonio__: If enough has been done to make it work better, absolutely.19:25
Tonio__ScottK: commits are meant to fix file transfert over obex....19:28
Tonio__ScottK: packaging right no19:28
Tonio__now19:28
sandsmarkseaLne: ping?20:06
sandsmarkseaLne: I need to register #kde-multimedia20:08
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JontheEchidnaAre .desktop files translated for anybody else?22:33
ScottKJontheEchidna: Did you upload adept yet?22:52
JontheEchidnaScottK: yeah, it's built & published22:52
ScottKExcellent.22:53
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