[01:10] <JontheEchidna> vorian: could you take a look at bug 426550 please?
[01:16] <nixternal> shtylman: will do
[01:17] <shtylman> nixternal: thanks
[03:38] <nixternal> shtylman: do the slides have to be exactly what you have thus far? I feel it would be better to have topics instead of apps... ie. Welcome (About Kubuntu) -> Internet (Konqi/Arora/Firefox) -> Personal Information Management (Kontact/KMail/Calendar/Contacts) -> Multimedia (Amarok/Kaffeine/whatever) -> Socializing (Kopete/Choqok/whatever) -> Office Suite (take a guess) -> Accessibility -> Installing Software -> Get Help (Docs and such) ->
[03:38] <nixternal> something to that effect, not necessarily in that order
[03:39] <shtylman> nixternal: nope...they can be in any order and feel free to add more slides/remove slides
[03:39] <nixternal> oh you rock dude :)
[03:39] <shtylman> they do have to adhere to the layout though
[03:39] <nixternal> right, the layout is sweet :)
[03:40] <shtylman> I made the current order and content up to get something going...but feel free to make it whatever
[03:40] <nixternal> I will put a little spin on it and run it past you and the others
[03:40] <shtylman> sounds good
[03:42] <shtylman> if you ping me and I am not here....just shoot me an email...I don't have access to IRC at work..but email I do
[03:42] <nixternal> roger that, thanks
[03:51] <vorian> JontheEchidna: looking
[04:01] <nixternal> ScottK: are we shipping Arora or is Konqi still going to be our browser?
[04:16] <ScottK> nixternal: Konqi
[04:16] <ScottK> Arora on the dvd.
[04:17] <nixternal> roger that
[04:17] <nixternal> hrmm...
[04:25] <nixternal> ScottK: is choqok getting installed by default?
[04:26]  * ScottK checks
[04:26] <nixternal> can't remember if that was decided or not
[04:27] <ScottK> According to the live CD manifest, no.
[04:28] <ScottK> nixternal: Checked the seeds.  It's on the dvd.
[04:53] <vorian> qwit is a nice app, it's small enough for the cd 8-)
[04:54] <nixternal> only for twitter? choqok rocks my socks off
[04:54] <nixternal> it should be a serious contender for being on the cd
[04:55] <vorian> nixternal: it does twitter and identi.ca
[04:55] <nixternal> I would like to know how and why the other distros are having no probs with cd space and applications like we do
[04:55] <vorian> it only depends on qt, so it's much quicker
[04:55] <nixternal> hell, most even ship with kdegames
[04:55] <vorian> yeah
[04:55]  * ScottK has been doing netbook stuff on both identi.ca and twitter and has gotten hugely more response from twitter.
[04:56] <nixternal> ScottK: ditto :)
[04:56] <nixternal> I have been using twitter a bit more than identi.ca honestly
[04:56] <vorian> tritto
[04:56] <ScottK> It works.
[04:56] <nixternal> twitto :p
[04:56] <vorian> :)
[04:56] <vorian> i mean't tri as in 3
[04:56] <nixternal> I have a huge writers/designers block going on
[04:56] <nixternal> I want to help with the slideshows, but I am absolutely retarded right now
[04:57] <nixternal> the past 2 days I have been patching and sealing one hell of a driveway
[04:57] <vorian> yikes
[04:58] <nixternal> got a new power washer too...so tomorrow I am going to spend a little time power washing the patios, shed, and sides of the house :)
[04:58] <vorian> haha
[04:58] <ScottK> Earlier I saw you were fantisizing about Gnome.
[04:58] <vorian> what psi?
[04:58] <ScottK> At least is wasn't Vista this time.
[04:58] <nixternal> pfft
[08:14] <refic> spstarr: 23:46:39 < spstarr> yeah, I will get a PPA setup for Qt 4.6/KDE trunk for people wanting to play, it will take time though at least for the KDE bits, I dont build of all of KDE daily, just the parts I use mainly for development
[08:14] <refic> good :)
[08:14] <spstarr> :)
[08:28] <spstarr> refic: I'll probably scrape the existing deb packaging and script up some stuff to pull nightly svn into bzip2balls or so
[08:29] <spstarr> should be easy as long as things don't change too much
[08:38] <refic> spstarr: alright
[08:40] <apachelogger> shtylman: pretty pretty please :)
[13:48] <jussi01> rgreening: the new usb creator worked well. still no formatting tho
[14:28] <rgreening> jussi01: yeah, hopefully 0.2.6 will have this fixed. We also hope to have policykit integration by then (fingers crossed) so we can kiss Kdesudo good-bye and good riddance :)
[14:28] <jussi01> yippee
[14:28] <rgreening> :)
[14:29] <rgreening> ScottK: are we thinking on implementing Qt 4.6 for Karmic? TP1 is now available for testing...
[14:29] <ScottK> rgreening: NO.
[14:29] <rgreening> dang. lol
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> hahaha
[14:30] <ScottK> We don't want to be out of sync with KDE and Qt versions again.
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> That would be Kubuntu 9.10, codename "We will have no credibility ever again" version :P
[14:30] <ScottK> There was recently some discussion about Qt 4.6 on the KDE ml and it lookst like 4.6 will be supported with KDE 4.4.
[14:31] <JontheEchidna> I don't think even Fedora would do something that crazy
[14:31] <Riddell> hola
[14:32] <ScottK> Whoa.
[14:32] <ScottK> hola Riddell
[14:32] <Riddell> did I miss anything?
[14:32] <ScottK> Riddell: http://d0od.blogspot.com/2009/09/karmic-netbook-remix-review.html
[14:33] <rgreening> hey Riddell
[14:33] <rgreening> I almost had a cow yesterday.. I though the meeting was yesterday and I missed it. hahah...
[14:34]  * ScottK notes Adept uploads happening in Debian.
[14:34] <ScottK> It'd be nice if someone would make it build here.
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> I tried locally yesterday^
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> built-in libept (wth?) ftbfs with our gcc
[14:35] <ScottK> Yep.
[14:36]  * JontheEchidna wonders if libept proper fails too...
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> I seem to recall it having gcc 4.2 issues once upon a time as well
[14:36] <ScottK> cjwatson is currently considering the runes needed to convince LP to rebuild the archive, so we should know soonish.
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> /tmp/buildd/adept-3.0~beta7.2/ept/debtags/vocabulary.cc: In member function 'std::string ept::debtags::Vocabulary::tagShortName(int) const':
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> /tmp/buildd/adept-3.0~beta7.2/ept/debtags/vocabulary.cc:192: error: invalid conversion from 'const char*' to 'char*'
[14:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: eww, remix
[14:42] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yeah.  It's not perfect, but I'll take it.
[14:42] <apachelogger> so how comes that kde not-even-alpha beats canonical supposed-to-be-alpha software?
[14:43] <wstephenson> what's the package name of the plasma-applet-networkmanager debuginfo package?
[14:43] <apachelogger> wstephenson: plasma-applet-networkmanager-dbg I would suppose
[14:43] <ScottK> It'd be plasma-networkmanagement-dbg or dbgsym
[14:43] <wstephenson> apachelogger: guessing, canonical doesn't care if kubuntu ships borken non-alpha stuff?
[14:43] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: nah, needs the dbgsym repos
[14:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ewww
[14:44] <apachelogger> who did that?
[14:44] <ScottK> wstephenson: No.  The point was our stuff was the stuff not crashing (plasma-netbook)
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: debian
[14:44] <apachelogger> can we haz -dbg plz?
[14:44] <wstephenson> could one of you give me a 2 line instruction what repo to register and how, and what -dbg package to install? i'm getting loads of bad backtraces from 9.04 users
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> This repo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> well, the repo on that wiki
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> then plasma-widget-networkmanagement-dbgsym
[14:45] <apachelogger> ScottK: also, wil the fac that netbook entered workspace and is scheduled for 4.4 have any affect on our deployment plans for karmic? ... quality?
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> though since it's a ppa package in 9.04 it probably won't be there....
[14:46] <wstephenson> i'm still listening :)
[14:46] <ScottK> apachelogger: It's limited out ability to track further feature improvements as they've moved hard onto 4.4.  It doesn't directly limit our ability to ship what we planned.
[14:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: which is the main reason I find the seperated repo rather awful
[14:46] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yeah...
[14:46] <apachelogger> wstephenson: it really depends on the precise version of the package
[14:46] <JontheEchidna> at the least, it should only be a 5 minute job to make a -dbg package for the 9.04 backports
[14:47] <wstephenson> apachelogger: most people haven't told me the svn revision, but the app version is 0.8 so it's a newish version
[14:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: we should hook into our dh/cdbs magic and make them create dbg packages for everything and the universe
[14:48] <wstephenson> apachelogger: in any case it's the kde4 knetworkmanager not the plasmoid
[14:48] <apachelogger> wstephenson: probably ppa then, JontheEchidna can push out a dbg package for that :)
[14:48] <wstephenson> JontheEchidna: pretty please with sugar on top :)
[14:48]  * apachelogger is wondering why his plasma keeps crashing today
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> wstephenson: yup, I'm on it
[14:49]  * apachelogger starts thinking about dbg love all over the place meanwhile
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> ...and I plan to be a bit faster than semi-daily builds :P
[14:50] <wstephenson> cool :)
[14:50] <wstephenson> JontheEchidna: can i tell bug reporters that the dbg will be in the same ppa as they got knm 4 from?
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> wstephenson: yeah, it will be once I'm done.
[14:53] <wstephenson> JontheEchidna: "plasma-widget-networkmanagement-dbgsym",  "plasma-widget-networkmanagement-dbg", or both?
[14:53] <JontheEchidna> wstephenson: the latter is true for 9.04
[14:54] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: also push dbg for karmic I'd say?
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> I suppose we're not trying to stay close to debian for the rest of this release anyways, since they're liable to change their minds 20 times betweeen now and when it hits sid
[14:57] <apachelogger> lol
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> the new package is building in the staging ppa. once it builds/publishes I'll copy it over to the -backports ppa
[15:02] <rgreening> Riddell: ping
[15:03] <Riddell> hi rgreening
[15:03] <rgreening> Riddell: are you able to help in getting me on the right path for translations for lp:usb-creator  kde front-end? I have no idea on how to make the app properly use the gettext locale usbcreator (or if i've done it right/wrong so far)
[15:04] <rgreening> otherwise, the app will end up shipping with broken or no translations... :(
[15:04] <Riddell> it should just import gettext and wrap strings in the _("foo") method
[15:04] <Riddell> which should be copyable from the gtk one
[15:05] <Riddell> I need to go out now, I'll take a closer look in an hour or so
[15:05] <rgreening> Riddell: and what about the ki8ln strings when KDE requires them
[15:05] <rgreening> ok
[15:05] <Riddell> well you can use KDE translations but it's probably better just to share translations with the gtk one and that means using gettext directly
[15:06] <rgreening> thanks. thats what I was hoping/intending to achieve.
[15:06] <rgreening> Riddell: I would appreciate you poking through the frontend/kde/frontend.py and let me know what changes I should make
[15:06] <rgreening> ty
[15:08] <rgreening> Riddell:  I think my confusion is in the ki8ln stuff in places (which I think I need to remove). And to ensure that the UI strings are loaded and translated somehow (which I am not sure I am doing correctly).
[15:08] <rgreening> so when you get back then... we can discuss further. ty Riddell
[15:09] <apachelogger> Riddell, rgreening: that said, with apturl I hit encoding problems .. apparently gdebi implements a utf8() encoder to work around that
[15:10] <apachelogger> is there any common solution or approach to that?
[15:10] <apachelogger> seems like one quite big reason to not use  python :P
[15:10] <rgreening> not a python issue. it's clearly the programmer/user
[15:10] <rgreening> :)
[15:10] <rgreening> he's a rubyite I believe
[15:11]  * rgreening ducks
[15:11] <apachelogger> I did not create gdebi :{
[15:11] <apachelogger> :P
[15:11] <apachelogger> though I must say ... people claim ruby1.8's encoding stuff is messed up, yet python fails to do simple things simple :P
[15:21] <ScottK> Fixed in Python 3 already.
[15:22] <ScottK> It wasn't possible to make Python truly UTF-8 in a fully backward compatible way
[15:26] <apachelogger> ScottK: when is that going to become default?
[15:27] <ScottK> Not for some time.  Lots of porting work in apps and modules.
[15:27] <flacoste> Riddell: i have installed the latest plasma-network-management package, but i don't see any difference with previous version, adding it to the panel shows a cell-phone on a white background and i don't see any way to get the wifi status or get it configured?
[15:27] <ScottK> Certainly doesn't help your immediate problem
[15:27] <apachelogger> meh
[15:28] <ScottK> flacoste: It also provides a systray app.  Use that.
[15:30] <flacoste> ScottK: how do I start this?
[15:30] <ScottK> flacoste: knetworkmanager in your konsole to manually start it. It should autostart from then on
[15:31] <flacoste> ah, ok
[15:31] <flacoste> that's what i was using previously
[15:31] <flacoste> i though it was obsolete
[15:31] <ScottK> Same name, different code base
[15:31] <ScottK> That one was, IIRC KNetworkManager
[15:31] <flacoste> ok, got it, thanks
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> wstephenson: ok, -dbg packages are a go
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> So this is the function in adept's built-in libept that causes the ftbfs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/267984/
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> the problem is a conversion from a const char to a char
[15:54] <wstephenson> JontheEchidna: ta muchly
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> would it be awful to make fullname un-constant?
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> wstephenson: you're welcome
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> actually that'd cause a ftbfs itself... hrm
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> constifying sub would compile, but would it be safe?
[16:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what do you think about this: override_dh_strip to cp control to control.orig and inject a dbg package into the control file, then run dh_strip with the new package as dbg-package defined
[16:01] <apachelogger> override_dh_clean to move control.orig back to control
[16:02] <JontheEchidna> I assume that there'd be a check for existing -dbg packages, correct?
[16:02] <apachelogger> descriptions will not be that awesome but technically that should be a sufficient solution, also since dh_strip is considerably late in the binary stack it should not cause conflicts with all the other fancy things at hand
[16:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, that is minor checking :P
[16:02] <apachelogger> if ! grep -dbg control
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> how would we handle dependencies on -dbg packages from other packages? For instance plasma-widget-nm should really depend on kdebase-workspace-dbg so that it gets Solid::Networking debug symbols
[16:04] <apachelogger> can't
[16:04] <apachelogger> though
[16:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: we could parse the shlibdeps and add -dbg packages for all that match kde
[16:04] <apachelogger> though
[16:05] <apachelogger> that would not work  :S
[16:05] <apachelogger> package not always package-dbg but sometimes metapackage-dbg
[16:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: we could place a file in the debian dir that defines that kind of stuff
[16:06] <apachelogger> debian/debug.deps
[16:06] <apachelogger> if not present just depend on kdelibs5-dbg
[16:06] <apachelogger> that should cover the better part of plasma and regular apps
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> sounds feasible :)
[16:07] <apachelogger> s/kdelibs5-dbg/kdelibs5-dbg and binary unless binary == binaries
[16:22] <JontheEchidna> Could somebody do a sanity check on my FTBFS fix? http://paste.ubuntu.com/267996/
[16:23] <JontheEchidna> ...aside from those indentation errors
[16:32] <ScottK> If it builds, ship it ...
[16:38] <JontheEchidna> it does. (and I've played around with debtags without crashing it)
[16:38] <JontheEchidna> So, I'll update adept then
[16:40] <ScottK> You might send the change back to mornfall too.
[16:40] <agateau> JontheEchidna: this is wrong
[16:40] <agateau> JontheEchidna: strcpy expects sub to contain enough room to store the copy
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> ah, but since I didn't initialize it with a size...
[16:41] <agateau> it's a dangling pointer
[16:41] <agateau> can you pastebin the build error
[16:41] <agateau> I am surprised the original code does not build
[16:42] <agateau> oh it must be a const error?
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> yeah, const converstion
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com/268005/
[16:43] <agateau> making sub const should fix it, no?
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that would work. but doesn't the value get changed when it gets returned?
[16:43]  * JontheEchidna is a C++ noob
[16:44] <agateau> which value?
[16:44] <agateau> the "return sub + 2" ?
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[16:44] <agateau> no, this does not modify sub
[16:44] <agateau> it adds sub and 2 and return a new value
[16:44] <agateau> sub = sub + 2 would have modified it
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> oh, right
[16:45] <agateau> but then gcc would have complained
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> ok, then I'll just const sub
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> I thought something like this might happen ;-D
[16:46] <agateau> :)
[16:57] <JontheEchidna> bug 426901
[17:01] <JontheEchidna> patch also sent to mornfall
[17:05] <apachelogger> it might be time to reinstall my workstation
[17:05] <apachelogger> 3 dev cycles certainly didn't do that poor any good :D
[17:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I think I have a somewhat working initial hook
[17:07] <apachelogger> still need to fiddle with the package names and stuff
[17:07] <apachelogger> but technically it is working :D
[17:16] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: It's in Universe.  Just upload it.
[17:16] <JontheEchidna> oh, I thought it was still in main
[17:16] <ScottK> Nope
[17:16] <JontheEchidna> cool
[17:44] <apachelogger> ScottK: can haz ffe for firefox-theme-oxygen?
[17:44] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think vorian's your man.
[17:45] <ScottK> I'm sure we can get the New done if it's needed
[17:45] <apachelogger> vorian: ffe?
[17:47]  * apachelogger sends a windows appliance across the network and hopes nothing explodes
[17:53] <davmor2> shtylman_: if your around did I hear you say that kub was having slideshow on the installer too?
[17:54] <apachelogger> davmor2: at least he got code for it
[17:55] <davmor2> apachelogger: I know I heard him on about it, it just didn't show up on today's iso so wanted to see if it was in yet :)
[17:56] <apachelogger> davmor2: if he got it uploaded before 4amUTC it should be in, so I suppose he did not upload
[18:08] <apachelogger> ScottK: re shipping of plasma-netbook isn't it still quite limited in functionality?
[18:08] <apachelogger> what we have that is
[18:08] <ScottK> apachelogger: It does the basic stuff you expect a shell to do reasonably well.
[18:09] <ScottK> Some of it is rather hard coded and not very configurable, but quite usable.
[18:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: the launch-stuff thing also works?
[18:09] <ScottK> Yes
[18:09] <apachelogger> cool
[18:09] <ScottK> Need to figure out the installer bit for the Live CD
[18:09] <apachelogger> gotta check it out again soonish
[18:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, either we rape the code or we provide a config
[18:10] <ScottK> Right
[18:10] <apachelogger> earlier is probably easier considering plasma+kiosk insanity
[18:55] <Tonio_> ScottK: kdebluetooth has received commits those days
[18:55] <Tonio_> ScottK: shouldn't we have a look ?
[19:17] <vorian> apachelogger: got a ffe bug # for me?
[19:18] <apachelogger> vorian: too lazy to do the paper work today :P
[19:19] <apachelogger> creating a package was hard work I tell you
[19:19] <apachelogger> so, is it me or does pkgenpack just not work in karmic/onubuntu?
[19:19] <vorian> lol
[19:25] <ScottK> Tonio__: If enough has been done to make it work better, absolutely.
[19:28] <Tonio__> ScottK: commits are meant to fix file transfert over obex....
[19:28] <Tonio__> ScottK: packaging right no
[19:28] <Tonio__> now
[20:06] <sandsmark> seaLne: ping?
[20:08] <sandsmark> seaLne: I need to register #kde-multimedia
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> Are .desktop files translated for anybody else?
[22:52] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Did you upload adept yet?
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: yeah, it's built & published
[22:53] <ScottK> Excellent.