[00:00] <MaximLevitsky> billybigrigger: I mean the drop down one
[00:00] <billybigrigger> MaximLevitsky, if you like the new mixer, try 'pavucontrol' it gives you more control and options
[00:00] <MaximLevitsky> billybigrigger: I have it
[00:00] <Martin1> kamilion: Hm.. What about: Installing local and dd to iSCSI target. Is it possible to use the standard ubuntu kernel with PXE then?
[00:00] <kamilion> chx: DVD images are only cdimages plus additional languages, IIRC, so it's only useful if you don't use english as your native language.
[00:00] <MaximLevitsky> billybigrigger: I am telling that when you click on mixer icon, the volume slider is horisontal
[00:01] <MaximLevitsky> billybigrigger: *was* in 9.04
[00:01] <kamilion> Martin1: I don't know offhand, I just installed the enterprise target and swiped a copy of StarPort to see if I had correctly exported the targets so far.
[00:01] <billybigrigger> ??? really, i always remembered it being vertical
[00:01] <MaximLevitsky> billybigrigger: the fact that they removed also mixer is another story, and it does make me angry...
[00:01] <MaximLevitsky> billybigrigger: in 9.04 it is horisontal
[00:01] <billybigrigger> really you shouldn't need alsamixer with PA
[00:01] <kamilion> Martin1: There's probably a bunch of init scripts and such to poke with if you DD. I'm trying to get PXE to work as well.
[00:02] <billybigrigger> MaximLevitsky, show's how long i've been using karmic :P
[00:02] <MaximLevitsky> billybigrigger: really I shouldn't need a mixer at all, all settings are set, record volume can be set to sane default...
[00:03] <billybigrigger> now your going too far :P it's nice to have a mixer i find
[00:03] <MaximLevitsky> billybigrigger: it is these times, that mixer is f*** is when I need it
[00:03] <MaximLevitsky> billybigrigger: and then I need all of it, not some 'maser volume'
[00:03] <Martin1> kamilion: You know this? http://wpkg.org/Diskless_/_remote_boot_with_Open-iSCSI
[00:04] <MaximLevitsky> billybigrigger: during the times, I have seen all kinds of problems that happen
[00:04] <Martin1> kamilion: The build a custom initrd with iSCSI support
[00:04] <MaximLevitsky> billybigrigger: and on top o that Pa crashes qute often, and likes to set PCM  to zero
[00:04] <MaximLevitsky> billybigrigger: is there a way to get alsa mixer back?
[00:04] <chx_> kamilion: d'oh connection problem, so i can't find a torrent there
[00:04] <kamilion> Martin1: Better docs than I had before. *bookmarks*
[00:05] <billybigrigger> do what i did, and keybind ctrl-alt-p to 'killall pulseaudio'
[00:05] <MaximLevitsky> billybigrigger: what you did?
[00:05] <kamilion> chx_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/jaunty/release/   jaunty DVDimages with torrents there.
[00:06] <MaximLevitsky> billybigrigger: PA dies on its own usually, but it hangs all applications that use it, this is the part that really sucks
[00:06] <Martin1> kamilion: I think Windows is a better choice in this part ;-D iSCSI should be natively supported
[00:06] <chx_> kamilion: :/
[00:07] <chx_> kamilion: i see
[00:07] <kamilion> Martin1: It is, with Win7/2008R2
[00:07] <chx> kamilion: i am not putting Jaunty on this laptop, too old.
[00:07] <Martin1> kamilion: Have you already tried that?
[00:07] <ActionParsnip> chx: install xubuntu
[00:07] <kamilion> chx_: No torrents for the karmic daily dvd, and no dvd build for A5, so you're stuck with HTTP karmic daily dvd from the first link
[00:08] <kamilion> Martin1: yeah, just to make sure my iscsi targets were set up correctly. Win7's installer was able to find my iscsi target, but I didn't test any further there.
[00:08] <chx> ActionParsnip: uh i meant Jaunty is too old
[00:08] <chx> ActionParsnip: my laptop is a Lenovo T400s
[00:09] <ActionParsnip> chx: its only 5 months old
[00:09] <chx> ActionParsnip: i am fairly sure that can handle Kubuntu with remarkable ease just needs the absolute latest kernel there is
[00:09] <chx> ActionParsnip: yeah but my laptop has been released in late June :)
[00:10] <ActionParsnip> chx: so....
[00:10] <kamilion> Martin1: My main box has been running intrepid for a while, but the main disk is going out. I have a server with 3X WD black 1TBs, and I'm just trying to share a 32GB chunk over iSCSI so I can rip this drive out and send it to the bin
[00:10] <ActionParsnip> chx: you can install ubuntu on laptops from 1992 to ones just released
[00:11] <kamilion> So I was just gonna stick karmic on there and copy over my homedir
[00:11] <chx> ActionParsnip: so it has a big amount of very new hardware which is challanging to Linux
[00:11] <chx> *challenging
[00:11] <ActionParsnip> chx: depends what it has
[00:11] <kamilion> chx: I run ubuntu jaunty on my HP/Compaq Athlon 4 mobile 933Mhz with 224MB of ram. As long as I have less than 60 tabs open in firefox, it works pretty good.
[00:12] <chx> kamilion: again, i called Jaunty old, not my laptop. I have a P9400 2.4 GHz Intel CPU, 2GB RAM and one fast SSD.
[00:12] <Martin1> kamilion: My setup is smaller. ;-)
[00:12] <Martin1> An Qnap Atom NAS (1,5TB Raid 1), an DD-WRT router (dhcp/pxe) and a mini-itx pc
[00:12] <billybigrigger> MaximLevitsky, set up a keybinding, so if your having PA problems, press ctrl-alt-p and it will kill pulseaudio daemon, and restart it
[00:13] <billybigrigger> MaximLevitsky, System>Preferences>Keyboard shortcuts, add in your own keycombo, enter in the command 'killall pulseaudio'
[00:13] <MaximLevitsky> billybigrigger: like I said, PA doesn't hang here, it crashes, and restarts on its own
[00:13] <andresmh>  Whenever I wake up my laptop from sleep mode the keyboard is frozen and mouse doesn't respond to clicks. The window borders disappear and new windows do not show up anywhere else other than on the gnome panel. How do I report this bug?
[00:13] <billybigrigger> works great for me, and actually ever since i made the keybinding, haha i have only had to kill pulse maybe 3 times
[00:13] <MaximLevitsky> billybigrigger: and drags many apps with it
[00:13] <ActionParsnip> chx: all that stuff is handled by the kernel
[00:13] <chx> ActionParsnip: i know that
[00:13] <billybigrigger> andresmh, do you have a launchpad account?
[00:13] <chx> ActionParsnip: i even said that above
[00:14]  * BUGabundo one little piggy went to the market, and this little piggy went to bed . ;|
[00:14] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, early to bed tonight eh?
[00:14] <BUGabundo> ye0p
[00:14] <andresmh> billybigrigger, yes I do. I have reported bugs before. I just want to make sure to report it to the right package and with all the appropriate info.
[00:14] <Twigathy> aww :)
[00:14] <BUGabundo> still want to watch naturo or something
[00:14] <BUGabundo> :)
[00:14] <andresmh> billybigrigger, what was the command to report bugs form the command line? Is this an Xorg issue?
[00:14] <billybigrigger> andresmh, there's no apport crash to file?
[00:14] <billybigrigger> andresmh, ubuntubug
[00:14] <ActionParsnip> chx: so wheres the issue?
[00:15] <andresmh> apport crash?
[00:15] <billybigrigger> andresmh, ubuntu-bug is the command, my bad
[00:15] <andresmh> so what package should I use billybigrigger ?
[00:15] <billybigrigger> andresmh, yeah, usually when an application crashes, apport is launched and gathers bug info for you, makes it easier to file
[00:15] <andresmh> but there is no app crashing in this case billybigrigger
[00:15] <billybigrigger> well, xorg wouldn't be a bad idea
[00:16] <andresmh> that would be $ ubuntu-bug xorg  right?
[00:16] <billybigrigger> have you looked in your X log'
[00:16] <billybigrigger> s first?
[00:16] <chx> ActionParsnip: nowhere. i just need Karmic :)
[00:16] <andresmh> no
[00:16] <andresmh> where is it?
[00:16] <billybigrigger> andresmh, yeah that's right
[00:16] <billybigrigger> andresmh, /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[00:16] <ActionParsnip> chx: you can use it if you want, jaunty will probably work too
[00:17] <andresmh> i don't see anything super useful in that log file billybigrigger
[00:17] <chx> ActionParsnip: i am almost 100% that anything below 2.6.30 will have serious video issues.
[00:17] <billybigrigger> grep EE | /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[00:17] <billybigrigger> and then replace EE with WW
[00:17] <ActionParsnip> chx: you can use .30 in jaunty
[00:18] <billybigrigger> EE's are errors, WW's are warnings
[00:18] <andresmh> billybigrigger, I found (WW) intel(0): Unknown vendor-specific block f
[00:18] <andresmh> and 	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[00:19] <chx> ActionParsnip: huh those result in weird stuff , this old laptop here (the new is downloading karmic in windows i am not touching windows...) is still Hardy and i tried intrepid kernel and boy that was a wild ride...
[00:19] <andresmh> ah never mind, that one is probably just the header, but the first one about intel seems related, no billybigrigger ?
[00:19] <chx> ActionParsnip: i prefer using kernel with the userspace it's packaged with
[00:19] <billybigrigger> andresmh, na you should be fine
[00:19] <chx> ActionParsnip: if not, i could use say exherbo instead of ubuntu...
[00:20] <billybigrigger> andresmh, what is the whole warning though...just to be safe?
[00:20] <billybigrigger> andresmh, usually EE's are the show stoppers
[00:20] <andresmh> that was the whole warning
[00:20] <ActionParsnip> chx: you can package any kernel you like, thats the point of linux, its hugely flexible
[00:20] <andresmh> I have that line multiple times though billybigrigger
[00:21] <andresmh> billybigrigger, umm, i ran ubuntu-bug xorg and then i got an error: Gdk-ERROR **: The program 'firefox' received an X Window System error.
[00:21] <billybigrigger> intel(0): Unknown vendor-specific block f
[00:21] <billybigrigger> ?
[00:21] <andresmh> yes that's it billybigrigger
[00:21] <billybigrigger> k
[00:22] <billybigrigger> andersk, compositing enabled?
[00:22] <andresmh> yes billybigrigger
[00:22] <andresmh> compiz
[00:22] <billybigrigger> yea
[00:22] <billybigrigger> disable it, and see if the problem persists
[00:23] <andresmh> ok i disabled compiz now, let me put the machine to sleep and see what happens
[00:23] <billybigrigger> k
[00:23] <andresmh> brb
[00:23] <billybigrigger> i need to take a bathroom break anywho
[00:23] <billybigrigger> ill brb aswell :P
[00:23] <andresmh> billybigrigger, seems to have woken up ewll
[00:24] <andresmh> well
[00:24] <Twigathy> I'm looking for a new window manager. Something a bit like ratpoison, but with focus-follows-mouse...
[00:24] <andresmh> so should i submit the bug to compiz?
[00:24] <Twigathy> Anybody got ideas?
[00:24] <jadams_> I installed fresh on a jaunty install.  Now I get GRUB error 17s.  I think old grub is still there maybe?  Can someone help me?  I've already looked at the first four or five error 17 google searches
[00:24] <jadams_> is there a way to just force reinstall grub2?
[00:24] <MaximLevitsky> one more question, where did the icons on windows titles gone?
[00:25] <MaximLevitsky> instead I see just a circule
[00:25] <billybigrigger> andersk, ubuntu-bug compiz then :)
[00:25] <billybigrigger> andresmh, try it a few times
[00:25] <billybigrigger> and make sure you can reproduce it a few times before putting the blame on compiz
[00:25] <kamilion> jadams_: yeah. Boot the grub2 rescue disk, boot your system, then run grub-mkdevicemap then run update-grub
[00:26] <billybigrigger> andresmh, what kernel and video card by the way?
[00:26] <jadams_> kamilion, thanks tons!
[00:26] <chx> ActionParsnip: yes but that's not the point of a friendly Drupal distro
[00:26] <chx> erm
[00:26] <billybigrigger> jadams_, this channel is for Karmic development support...any Jaunty questions should go to #ubuntu
[00:26] <chx> Linux distro.
[00:27] <andresmh>  VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c      Linux karmicx300 2.6.31-9-generic #29-Ubuntu SMP Sun Aug 30 17:39:23 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[00:27] <jadams_> billybigrigger, yeah, I was installing karmic on top of jaunty
[00:27] <ActionParsnip> chx: its the entire ethos of linux
[00:27] <billybigrigger> oh, your question made it sound like you just did a fresh jaunty install
[00:27] <billybigrigger> jadams_, if you don't mind me asking, what is the full grub error 17?
[00:27] <billybigrigger> or was that it?
[00:27] <billybigrigger> i'
[00:28] <billybigrigger> andresmh, what kind of laptop?
[00:28] <jadams_> billybigrigger, pretty sure it's the full error.  booting that machine again now to see if there's more
[00:28] <billybigrigger> you might want to take a gander at this bug....looks pretty similar to yours...
[00:28] <andresmh> thinkpad x300 billybigrigger
[00:28] <billybigrigger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/425357
[00:28] <jadams_> Grub loading, please wait...Error 17
[00:28] <billybigrigger> andresmh, thinkpad, same kernel, same graphics, similar problem
[00:29] <andresmh> oh wow
[00:29] <nOStahl> any of you guys running a localhost webdev setup on karmic koala?
[00:29] <billybigrigger> andresmh, no point of starting a new bug...attach your ubuntu-bug output to that
[00:29] <billybigrigger> and subscribe to it :P
[00:29] <kamilion> nOStahl: I'm running nginx for local development on karmic.
[00:29] <billybigrigger> jadams_, if you don't mind, i'm trying to maintain a Grub2 wiki page, and would love to have the full error, as well as a confirmed fix for it added...
[00:29] <nOStahl> awesome
[00:29] <jadams_> billybigrigger, error 17 is all it says
[00:29] <nOStahl> do you have a wordpress going too kamilion
[00:30] <kamilion> nOStahl: ... no? It's for development.
[00:30] <jadams_> kamilion, I can't find any grub 2 rescue disk online...
[00:30] <nOStahl> kamilion can you do me a favor, setup wordpress and get wp-ecommerce plugin to test on your localhost
[00:30] <nOStahl> it'll be a while before karmic is finished downloading for me
[00:31] <kamilion> jadams_: just a tick
[00:31] <jadams_> kamilion, kk, thanks
[00:31] <jadams_> billybigrigger, you should put a link to this 'grub2 rescue disk' on the wiki then :)
[00:31] <kamilion> jadams_: http://www.supergrubdisk.org/
[00:31] <billybigrigger> jadams_, i have a funny feeling your still trying to beed grub legacy
[00:31] <jadams_> billybigrigger, I think that's happening too
[00:31] <kamilion> Error 17 is from grub-legacy, yes
[00:31] <jadams_> but it def. should be grub2 by now
[00:31] <billybigrigger> jadams_, i think grub2 got rid of the Grub ## Errors
[00:32] <jadams_> billybigrigger, and a fresh install of karmic installs grub2 not grub1, yes?
[00:32] <billybigrigger> jadams_, did you manually install grub2?
[00:32] <billybigrigger> because installing karmic over jaunty WILL NOT install grub2
[00:32] <billybigrigger> grub2 is only installed by default on NEW karmic installs
[00:32] <billybigrigger> jadams_, yes
[00:33] <jadams_> billybigrigger, I didn't upgrade karmic
[00:33] <billybigrigger> you installed fresh?
[00:33] <jadams_> billybigrigger, yes, but it had been jaunty previously
[00:33] <kamilion> Error 17 is usually a devicemap error
[00:33] <jadams_> but yeah, I inserted CD, booted to the ISO load screen, and installed to my computer
[00:33] <billybigrigger> jadams_, ok, do you have a livecd?
[00:33] <billybigrigger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2/#Recover%20Grub%202%20via%20LiveCD
[00:33] <jadams_> I did not do a dist-upgrade
[00:33] <kamilion> the bios has assigned a different ID to the primary disk
[00:33] <jadams_> yeah
[00:33] <billybigrigger> jadams_, follow that link, recover grub via livecd
[00:34] <jadams_> kamilion, yeah, but I ALSO have the "this should be grub2" problem
[00:34] <billybigrigger> jadams_, should only take a few mins
[00:34] <jadams_> billybigrigger, already on it
[00:35] <billybigrigger> andresmh, does that bug report look like similar hardware to yours?
[00:35] <andresmh> billybigrigger, it does except the "blank" screen...
[00:35] <andresmh> how do I attach my bug report to an existing one?
[00:36] <nOStahl> so is ubuntu ever going to 686 instead of 386?
[00:37] <billybigrigger> apport should show you a list of bugs, or i think you can enter your own bug number in
[00:37] <kamilion> jadams_: Once you get grub2 installed correctly, make sure you run grub-mkrescue --image-type=cdrom /home/jadams/Desktop/grub2-rescue.iso
[00:37] <ActionParsnip> nOStahl: if you run 32bit, launch uname -a
[00:37] <jadams_> kamilion, thanks tons, I will
[00:37] <ActionParsnip> nOStahl: it will be i686
[00:37] <andresmh> billybigrigger, ubuntu-bug didn't ask me for  a bug number
[00:38] <andresmh> i typed a similar title on the web page ubuntu-bug opens and it did find the bug
[00:38] <nOStahl> ah
[00:38] <billybigrigger> andresmh, did it not fire up a web browser and take you to launchpad?
[00:38] <andresmh> so i subscried and said me too
[00:38] <nOStahl> when did that change actionparsnip?
[00:38] <billybigrigger> oh
[00:38] <andresmh> but it didn't append my debug files
[00:39] <aboSamoor> what does it mean when a package is Superseded ?
[00:39] <ActionParsnip> nOStahl: its always been like that, only the installer is i386 for compatibility
[00:39] <billybigrigger> andresmh, if you look down on the ride side, look for
[00:40] <nOStahl> ah
[00:40] <billybigrigger> 'Bug Reports' and right underneath... 'add'
[00:40] <nOStahl> interesting
[00:41] <andresmh> yeah i can add an attachment but how do i append the automatic things ubuntu-bug would append automatically?
[00:42] <billybigrigger> andresmh, take a look in /var/crash for your reports
[00:42] <jadams_> billybigrigger, kamilion: I'm rebooting right now after the grub recovery attempt
[00:42] <jadams_> hey it claims to be booting
[00:42] <jadams_> and it is
[00:43] <billybigrigger> :P
[00:43] <jadams_> superb, thanks tons guys :)
[00:43] <billybigrigger> praise the Grub2 wiki my friend :P
[00:43] <jadams_> I will not let a grub boot problem miff me in the future
[00:43] <jadams_> you guys rock
[00:43] <billybigrigger> all the info you need is there
[00:43] <jadams_> but I tried searching :(
[00:43] <jadams_> anyway, point taken
[00:43] <nOStahl> hrmm running the karmic installer, up to the prepare disk space screen step 5,  i click on specify partitions manually (advanced) and it just sits there after scanning disks
[00:43] <aboSamoor> does the new kernel -10 has the patch for bug 419264 ?
[00:43] <nOStahl> dosnt bring up the new screen
[00:44] <jadams_> I must now steal the wired network cable from me laptop and plug 'er into the desktop
[00:45] <kamilion> jadams_: heh heh. Have fun with karmic.
[00:46] <billybigrigger> aboSamoor, no
[00:46] <billybigrigger> aboSamoor, i just looked, and that patch only made it into the kernel commits today
[00:46] <nOStahl> hey guys i cant get past step 5 of the installer, it trys to open the partitioner but fails
[00:47] <nOStahl> anyone know what to do?
[00:47] <aboSamoor> billybigrigger: the kernel did not release rc9, so how ubuntu has -10 kernel ? how did you track the patch ?
[00:47] <billybigrigger> because that's ubuntu's kernel version
[00:48] <kamilion> RC9 released on september 5th. http://lwn.net/Articles/351011/
[00:48] <billybigrigger> aboSamoor, and my bad
[00:49] <billybigrigger> aboSamoor, that commit did make it into rc9
[00:49] <billybigrigger> aboSamoor, i was looking at something else :P
[00:49] <billybigrigger> rc9 is out as of a few days ago
[00:49] <billybigrigger> aboSamoor, here is the commit for that fix
[00:49] <billybigrigger> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=a09ba7faf75fa4b21980d81de8e5f3d5c0785ccf
[00:50] <billybigrigger> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=summary   <----- that is the link you want to follow for anything related to the kernel
[00:50] <billybigrigger> it is Linus' git tree, and all the changes happen through it...so...there you go :P
[01:14] <MaximLevitsky> now that funny:
[01:15] <MaximLevitsky> No command ',ake' found, did you mean:
[01:15] <MaximLevitsky>  Command 'rake' from package 'rake' (universe)
[01:15] <MaximLevitsky>  Command 'bake' from package 'bake' (universe)
[01:15] <MaximLevitsky>  Command 'fake' from package 'fake' (universe)
[01:15] <MaximLevitsky>  Command 'cake' from package 'cakephp-scripts' (universe)
[01:15] <MaximLevitsky>  Command 'make' from package 'make' (main)
[01:18] <nOStahl> whats wrong with karmic koala's installer
[01:18] <nOStahl> it keeps screwing up at step 5 the partitioner.
[01:20] <jadams_> err, I forgot to tell it to boot my /home dir on boot...there's already a /home dir on my root now.  What do I need to do so when I boot my other partition takes over /home?
[01:20] <jadams_> err, s/on boot/on install/
[01:21] <jadams_> did my earlier message come through?  I wasn't identified on IRC yet
[01:22] <MaximLevitsky> jadams_: rule one be carefull
[01:23] <jadams_> careful of what?  I don't understand what that meant...
[01:23] <MaximLevitsky> jadams_: if you have data on the hard disk, installers can destroy it
[01:24] <jadams_> MaximLevitsky, oh bah, I didn't reformat it.  It's fine.  I just need to get it to mount as /home on boot
[01:24] <nOStahl> ubiquity keeps failing on me hrmmm
[01:24] <MaximLevitsky> jadams_: could you explain that more clearly?
[01:25] <jadams_> MaximLevitsky, sure.  All of my linux systems since time immemorial have had a separate / and /home partition, so I could upgrade / with /home in place.  I just forgot, when installing karmic, to tell it to mount that partition as /home
[01:26] <MaximLevitsky> jadams_: and now it won't boot, right?
[01:26] <MaximLevitsky> jadams_: then edit the /etc/fstab
[01:26] <jadams_> no, it boots fine.  I don't know how you got that from what I said
[01:26] <jadams_> yeah, I can edit the fstab just dandy
[01:26] <jadams_> I just don't know what happens by default when I try to mount something as /home in fstab, after its mounted / already, and /home already exists on the first device
[01:26] <jadams_> I suppose I could just modify the fstab, remove /home from /, and be fine
[01:27] <MaximLevitsky> jadams_: its very fine, old directory will be hidden
[01:27] <jadams_> ok, superb
[01:27] <jadams_> thanks tons :)
[01:27] <MaximLevitsky> jadams_: directory contents is replaced by root of mounted system
[01:27] <MaximLevitsky> untill you umount it
[01:27] <jadams_> superb, again :)
[01:28] <MaximLevitsky> no problem!
[01:28] <MaximLevitsky> actually you do need a /home on root system
[01:29] <MaximLevitsky> empty or not
[01:29] <jadams_> oh wow, didn't know...why would that be?
[01:29] <MaximLevitsky> let me explain
[01:29] <MaximLevitsky> mount work like that:
[01:29] <MaximLevitsky> it takes a directory
[01:30] <alteregoa> why the heck it tries to install lilo, i got already grub2 installed
[01:30] <MaximLevitsky> its content doesn't matter, usually its empty
[01:30] <jadams_> oh oh oh
[01:30] <MaximLevitsky> and 'connects' that directory to root of mounted system
[01:30] <jadams_> no, I get that, sorry
[01:30] <jadams_> I thought you were saying you needed /home to BOOT (I can't read or write)
[01:30] <jadams_> which sounded wrong in a lot of ways :)
[01:31] <jadams_> yeah, I know a mount point has to exist :)
[01:31] <MaximLevitsky> jadams_: me nether :-)
[01:31] <nOStahl> gah there's nothing online talking about ubiquity (karmic koala's installer) failing on step 5
[01:31] <MaximLevitsky> nOStahl: what it says?
[01:31] <nOStahl> it loads the partitioner window
[01:32] <nOStahl> then it gets to 100% goes away
[01:32] <nOStahl> and nothing heh
[01:32] <nOStahl> tried doing apt-get install ubiquity after doing an update of the repo's
[01:32] <nOStahl> no go
[01:32] <MaximLevitsky> nOStahl: you could try to run in from console
[01:32] <kamilion> jadams_: boot from a livecd, mount your / partition, move the old homedir to like /oldhome, make a new /home mountpoint, and specify it in /etc/fstab
[01:32] <nOStahl> tried that too
[01:33] <MaximLevitsky> nOStahl: and see if it prints something suspicios?
[01:33] <nOStahl> nadda
[01:34] <nOStahl> im using the daily build
[01:34] <jadams_> kamilion, meh, I fixed the fstab already, and just live-mounted /home as well.  it's fine, but thanks :)
[01:34] <nOStahl> im going to see of the previous one works for me
[01:34] <kamilion> ah laaag
[01:34] <kamilion> sorry, hehe
[01:34] <MaximLevitsky> nOStahl: then report a bug I guess, or IF you don't care about contents of your harddisk AND ONLY THEN, you can remove partition table, and recreate one
[01:34] <kamilion> Well, I'm off work for the day. Catch y'all some other day.
[01:34] <jadams_> oh huzzah, my prompt, she's back!
[01:34] <kamilion> Good luck jadams_ .
[01:34] <MaximLevitsky> nOStahl: it probably chokes on some entry in it
[01:34] <nOStahl> aye i already have a clean ext4 filesystem on the drives
[01:34] <nOStahl> i have an eeepc 901 with dual ssd's
[01:35] <nOStahl> 4 gig for root
[01:35] <nOStahl> and the second ssd is 8 gig for /home
[01:35] <jadams_> kamilion, I have one more reboot in my upgrade process (dist-upgrade upgraded my kernel), and then I should be back at 100%...the grub bug was my only problem.  Well, that and an in-place upgrade left my system unbootable as well
[01:36] <MaximLevitsky> nOStahl: report a bug then, I really can't help much (I didn't use this application much, since I update the system mostly)
[01:36] <nOStahl> my other option is to get 8.10 and just change the repo's and dist-upgrade eh?
[01:37] <MaximLevitsky> nOStahl: one person told me not to do dist-update, and it breaks systems
[01:37] <MaximLevitsky> nOStahl: get a 9.04/8.10 live disk/flash and install from there?
[01:38] <nOStahl> aye i might have too
[01:38] <nOStahl> im tryin to dl a previous daily build to check that out first
[01:38] <nOStahl> 20 min left on the dl
[01:39] <chx> wow, Karmic is very nice
[01:39] <chx> so many packages and programs unknown -- i guess that's because i am unused to kde4
[01:45] <nOStahl> i wish i had 50 meg internet right about now heh
[01:45] <nOStahl> an extra 40 megs of dl speed would be fun heh
[01:45] <nOStahl> oh... and all the repo's at 500 meg upload speed heh
[01:53] <MaximLevitsky> is this a bug that user switcher doesn't set online status?
[01:53] <MaximLevitsky> and doesn't list logged in users
[02:02] <billybigrigger> fast user switcher changes my pidgin status
[02:03] <MaximLevitsky> billybigrigger: the new rewritten indicator one?
[02:05] <billybigrigger> ?
[02:05] <MaximLevitsky> billybigrigger: this applet was rewritten in karamic
[02:06] <billybigrigger> yeah, it was removed for about 3 Alpha's
[02:06] <billybigrigger> it's back now
[02:06] <billybigrigger> and works for me as said
[02:07] <wastrel> boy i tell you what compiz on koala pegs my cpu
[02:07] <MaximLevitsky> billybigrigger: does it look different a bit now?
[02:08] <jadams_> ok, one more problem.  In Karmic, I can't seem to get my m-audio delta 1010lt sound card to work.  Sound prefs show only 1 output and 1 input.  I run envy24control and make sure all of the outputs are up high, to no avail :(
[02:08] <jadams_> Is it possible the audio's going out the wrong output on the device?
[02:09] <jadams_> sound prefs only show 1 output and 1 input, but there's really a ton of each
[02:09] <MaximLevitsky> jadams_: this is a mess
[02:09] <MaximLevitsky> jadams_: my desktop has 3 inputs too.
[02:09] <jadams_> sigh :(  None of the envy24control output level meters are lit up at all, must not be routing through the card after all
[02:09] <jadams_> though pavucontrol says it is
[02:10] <MaximLevitsky> jadams_: and PA uses first one too
[02:10] <jadams_> ok, so I can at least move it around and get audio maybe...though still, no envy24control registration
[02:11] <wastrel> interesting, sreadahead was taking 100% of one core
[02:11] <wastrel> what's up with that
[02:12] <nOStahl> yep that previous daily build didnt work too
[02:12] <nOStahl> still hanging on step 5
[02:12] <billybigrigger> MaximLevitsky, i don't know what you mean by looking, different, im putting up a screenshot now
[02:13] <billybigrigger> http://www.thefrozencanuck.ca/photos/main.php?g2_itemId=233
[02:13] <billybigrigger> jadams_, have you played with padevchooser
[02:13] <billybigrigger> ?
[02:13] <MaximLevitsky> billybigrigger: thanks, you do have the new rewritten user switch applet
[02:14] <MaximLevitsky> billybigrigger: and mine shows always 'offline'
[02:14] <billybigrigger> i still don't know what your talking about this new rewrtting user switch applet
[02:14] <billybigrigger> that IS the new one
[02:14] <MaximLevitsky> billybigrigger: it is now called 'Indicator applet session'
[02:14] <jadams_> MaximLevitsky, mine did that too, but since my remounting /home it disappeared and when I add it back I get the old user switcher
[02:14] <billybigrigger> F-U-S-A was removed like 3 Alpha's ago
[02:14] <billybigrigger> just recently it's come back
[02:15] <MaximLevitsky> billybigrigger: I compare it to 9.04 one
[02:16] <billybigrigger> MaximLevitsky, check this one out http://www.thefrozencanuck.ca/photos/main.php?g2_itemId=236
[02:16] <MaximLevitsky> ok fine
[02:17] <jadams_> garr, rebooting.  I accidentally unplugged my 1010lt hot, hope it survived
[02:17] <jadams_> didn't have it screwed in, nudged its dongle (ewww)
[02:18] <Lars_G> New kernel \o/
[02:18] <Lars_G> will this make my netbook fast again? like two weeks ago?
[02:23] <robert__> how is the new alpha release? is it pretty stable yet?
[02:24] <robert__> how is the new alpha release? is it pretty stable yet?
[02:24] <alteregoa> robert: its still alpha
[02:25] <robert__> there's a lot of time spent in alpha and beta, hope there's no bugs in the final release
[02:25] <alteregoa> no bugs
[02:25] <arand> no bugs
[02:25] <alteregoa> such a complex software has bugs, you cannot avoid that
[02:26] <robert__> then whats the point in such a long alpha/beta stage lol isn't that supposed to be the reason, to rid the bugs?
[02:26] <alteregoa> a bug can be fixed
[02:26] <alteregoa> to fix the bugs and test it
[02:27] <arand> robert__: it's the difference between 1000 bugs and 50 bugs
[02:27] <MaximLevitsky> ubuntu makes some nice progress, I see I can now turn usb stick off, using new eject command. nice....
[02:28] <billybigrigger> robert__, long alpha/beta stage? 6 months for release is SHORT!!!
[02:28] <alteregoa> i still wonder why it tries to install lilo
[02:28] <robert__> i'm thinkin about installing alpha 5
[02:28] <mikm_> Has anybody else noticed certain windows being displayed incorrectly when compiz is not enabled?  More specifically, on my laptop with an old radeon card, notify-osd windows and gnome-do windows are garbled.  This behavior is not reproducable on my desktop with an nvidia card.  I've done some searching in the bug tracker, but haven't found anything.  I just wanted to be sure I hadn't searched for the correct terms before filing a n
[02:29] <robert__> in alpha 4 at startup my screen would flicker the brightness up and down up and down for a couple minutes and there was a weird white line across the middle of the screen for a short time as well
[02:30] <robert__> i'm lookin forward to the new default theme which is "supposed" to come with this release
[02:30] <mikm_> I get the same behavior running a livecd of Alpha 5, so it's not some weird quirk/error in my config
[02:30] <billybigrigger> no new theme
[02:30] <billybigrigger> but honestly, why are you still running alpha 4?
[02:31] <robert__> billybigrigger, no new theme at all or just as of yet?
[02:31] <robert__> i'm not
[02:31] <billybigrigger> if your using +1 you should be doing multiple updates a DAY
[02:31] <robert__> i use to
[02:31] <billybigrigger> no theme YET, it's coming
[02:31] <arvind_khadri> mikm_, notify-osd is giving you notifications on top if the screen?
[02:32] <robert__> i'm gonna run alpha 5 with my usb drive and see hsow it play
[02:32] <bucky> what default theme? ubuntu blue?
[02:32] <robert__> *how
[02:32] <mikm_> arvind_khadri: Hold on, I'll show you a screenshot
[02:32] <bucky> the brown we got now is better than the old orange
[02:33] <robert__> i really like the brown/orange theme, just curious what they can come up with
[02:33] <mikm_> If I had to guess, maybe something to match the xsplash mockups
[02:34] <mikm_> arvind_khadri: http://imgur.com/uXjIU.jpg
[02:35] <arand> Afaik, there'll be no major updates in the theme for KK...
[02:35] <arvind_khadri> mikm_, bad, maybe an issue with ati drivers
[02:35] <mikm_> That's my theory, considering that it doesn't happen on nvidia
[02:35] <billybigrigger> mikm_, that looks like notifications
[02:35] <billybigrigger> mikm_, is it always garbled like that?
[02:35] <mikm_> billybigrigger: Always.
[02:35] <billybigrigger> hmm
[02:36] <billybigrigger> have you reported it?
[02:36] <mikm_> notify-osd popups look the same way
[02:36] <billybigrigger> that is the first time i've seen anything or heard about anything like that
[02:36] <mikm_> billybigrigger: I have not.  I was making sure nobody else had first with some weird keywords
[02:36] <mikm_> I'll post it now
[02:36] <billybigrigger> your all up to date i take it?
[02:36] <billybigrigger> what kernel?
[02:36] <mikm_> As of a few hours ago
[02:36] <mikm_> 31-9
[02:37] <arand> to quote sabdfl: i’m pretty darn confident we’ll have a new look for 10.04 but i think only pieces of that will emerge for 9.10
[02:37] <robert__> i'm gonna install alpha and just update my way into final release, this should be fun
[02:37] <billybigrigger> mikm_, what video card?
[02:37] <mikm_> billybigrigger: Radeon Mobility 7500
[02:37] <billybigrigger> mikm_, hmm....
[02:37] <billybigrigger> mikm_, 30-10 is out, but that might not be the problem
[02:38] <billybigrigger> i do recall seeing some radeon fixes inthe kernel, but those would probably mostly be related to kms
[02:38] <mikm_> On a related note, has anybody noticed problems with the system freezing completely when running compiz on ati drivers?
[02:38] <robert__> i think if we were honest with ourselves part of the reason most of us prefer Linux is because its more fun :)
[02:38] <billybigrigger> but who knows, maybe try 31-10, has it always happened to you? or do you remember when it started happening?
[02:38] <mikm_> Freezing completely means no response to Ctrl-Alt-Fx or Magic SysRq
[02:39] <mikm_> I do love my reisub.
[02:39] <billybigrigger> after resuming from a sleep?
[02:39] <billybigrigger> or just basic system usage
[02:39] <mikm_> Basic system usage.  If compiz is enabled, it'll last about a minute before freezing up
[02:39] <billybigrigger> hmmm
[02:39] <billybigrigger> report it :P
[02:40] <billybigrigger> i haven't had compiz problems here on nvidia for a loooong time
[02:40] <mikm_> Will do.  I just wanted to be sure it wasn't a known issue and I was being an idiot with searching
[02:41] <Dr[E]aM> when i close my laptop lid, the computer will not wake up. any ideas?
[02:41] <Lars_G> shouldn't it wake up when you open the lid?
[02:41] <Lars_G> and go to sleep when you close it
[02:42] <Lars_G> mine is not sleeping on close either since a short while, probably not detecting the lid button, or the acpi script for it is wrong
[02:46] <Dr[E]aM> mine will go tp sleep fine
[02:46] <Dr[E]aM> it wont wake up
[02:47] <jadams__> still trying to get my M-Audio Delta 1010LT soundcard working in a recent karmic upgrade, if anyone feels a significant need to help someone :)
[02:50] <Pretto> why pulseaudion is consuming about 90% of my cpu?
[02:53] <jadams__> so when I play audio, pulseaudio shows my levels changing for the M-Audio but envy24control doesn't register anything on the meters
[02:56] <jadams__> and when I try to record in jokosher, which worked fine in jaunty, it wigs out and shows a red cross sort of in the track instead of blue level waves...
[02:56] <billybigrigger> jadams__, m-audio usb?
[02:56] <jadams__> delta 1010lt
[02:57] <billybigrigger> dunno what that is :)
[02:57] <jadams__> it uses the same driver I'm sure
[02:57] <billybigrigger> you might want to give dtchen a ping, he uses an m-audio usb card
[02:57] <billybigrigger> he's the ubuntu audio guru around here
[02:57] <jadams__> thanks, I'll try to catch him on here sometime
[02:57] <billybigrigger> you might have better luck finding him in #ubuntu-dev aswell
[02:58] <jadams__> billybigrigger, thanks, I'll try to hunt him down and I'll be sure to blame you :)
[02:58] <billybigrigger> haha
[02:59] <jadams__> if I show the volume meter for the sink in pulseaudio, it moves...but nothing in envy24control :(
[03:00] <jadams__> back in the day this was a DAC issue, but not this time afaict
[03:00] <billybigrigger> don't know anything about every24control
[03:00] <billybigrigger> err envy
[03:01] <jadams__> ahh, it's a good mixer for the maudio cards
[03:07] <jadams__> my main problem is it says it's using the digital stereo outputs...I want to use analog outputs
[03:07] <jadams__> I don't have digital outputs in operation at present...I likely could hook it up via digital, and should, but ain't set up that way.  and I don't see a way in pulse to tell it to use anything other than the digital in/out
[03:07] <billybigrigger> run padevchooser
[03:08] <billybigrigger> or pavucontrol, you should be able to change your outputs to analog with them
[03:08] <jadams__> I don't have any analog outputs available to CHOOSE from anywhere
[03:09] <jadams__> output devices only lists 1010LT digital stereo
[03:09] <jadams__> is this an alsa profile issue?
[03:09] <billybigrigger> dtchen would be able to answer your qustions on that maudio card i bet
[03:09] <billybigrigger> i can change between digital/analog on my intel hda card
[03:12] <jadams__> le sigh
[03:13] <billybigrigger> hehe
[03:15] <jadams__> so is there no asoundrc in karmix?
[03:15] <jadams__> karmic, sigh
[03:16] <billybigrigger> make one
[03:17] <jadams__> I'm ~certain it's digital v. analog outputs, just because it wouldn't show an output in pulseaudio if there was no output in envy24control, I don't think...anyway, I'll hunt dtchen down
[03:20] <jadams__> billybigrigger, is dtchen in china?
[03:20] <billybigrigger> haha i don't think so...
[03:20] <billybigrigger> could be wrong though
[03:20] <jadams__> kk
[03:21] <jadams__> ahh, found his identi.ca...awesome
[03:22] <jadams__> geez, I've also got some network weirdness...a ping will take 30 seconds to resolve sometimes, but then hit every 60ms like clockwork
[03:22] <billybigrigger> needs
[03:22] <billybigrigger> i need to check out identi.ca what's it all about?
[03:23] <jadams__> twitteresque
[03:23] <billybigrigger> ahh poop
[03:23] <billybigrigger> i'm anti-social-networking
[03:23] <billybigrigger> hah
[03:23] <jadams__> oh!
[03:23] <jadams__> http://identi.ca/notice/9453645
[03:24] <billybigrigger> hehe there ya go
[03:26] <jadams__> :)
[03:26] <jadams__> I'll know soon enough if that's the fix, rebooting ftw because I don't know what else may need restarting otherwise
[03:31] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[03:32] <billybigrigger> howdy
[03:32] <ShapeShifter499> I got a question about the new indicator applet in karmic, how's it suppose to work??
[03:33] <billybigrigger> just like the old fast-user-switch-applet
[03:33] <billybigrigger> what do you want to know?
[03:34] <ShapeShifter499> what about the part of it that seems to show your status almost like on a IM or IRC
[03:34] <ShapeShifter499> ?
[03:34] <billybigrigger> you can set your IM status
[03:34] <ShapeShifter499> but how?
[03:35] <billybigrigger> click indicator applet, then click whatever status you want
[03:35] <ShapeShifter499> doesn't work
[03:35] <billybigrigger> oh
[03:35] <billybigrigger> it's under Available>
[03:35] <billybigrigger> works for me in pidgin
[03:35] <jadams_> billybigrigger, even more telling, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/178442
[03:35] <jadams_> but I switched to my internal audio, and still no output from pulse :(
[03:36] <ShapeShifter499> on mine is its under "Offline"
[03:36] <billybigrigger> http://www.thefrozencanuck.ca/photos/main.php?g2_itemId=233
[03:36] <billybigrigger> http://www.thefrozencanuck.ca/photos/main.php?g2_itemId=236
[03:36] <billybigrigger> notice IA is offline and red, also pidgin is Away
[03:36] <billybigrigger> when IA is online and green, piding is Online
[03:37] <billybigrigger> are you logged in?
[03:37] <ShapeShifter499> no
[03:37] <billybigrigger> to one of your pidgin accounts?
[03:37] <billybigrigger> haha
[03:37] <ShapeShifter499> so I have to be logged into a supported app like pidgin
[03:37] <ShapeShifter499> i didn't know
[03:37] <billybigrigger> how are you supposed to tell you IM contacts your Online or Away if your not online?
[03:38] <billybigrigger> pidgin or empathy
[03:38] <billybigrigger> im sure it works for others
[03:38] <ShapeShifter499> so I must be on a IM manager on my karmic system for that part of the indicator app to work
[03:39] <ShapeShifter499> right?
[03:39] <billybigrigger> yeah
[03:39] <ShapeShifter499> ahh
[03:39] <sageNsand1> launchpad told me to purge a folder. How do I do that?
[03:40] <ShapeShifter499> ok what about the part of the indicator app that tells you how many emails you have? I couldn't get that to work(and yes I have my gmail linked to Evolution mail)
[03:41] <billybigrigger> don't know
[03:41] <billybigrigger> i use thunderbird
[03:41] <ShapeShifter499> hmm...
[03:41] <billybigrigger> and it's not compatible with indicator applet so...
[03:42] <ShapeShifter499> I like how ubuntu is coming along
[03:43] <ShapeShifter499> anyway of linking my twitter to pidgin?
[03:44] <billybigrigger> twitter? no
[03:44] <billybigrigger> not that i know of
[03:44] <ShapeShifter499> why not??
[03:44] <billybigrigger> google for a pidgin twitter plugin
[03:44] <billybigrigger> cause i'm anti-social-networking
[03:44] <ShapeShifter499> -.-
[03:44] <billybigrigger> and could care less about twitter haha
[03:44] <ShapeShifter499> whatever
[03:44] <ShapeShifter499> off to goodle
[03:44] <billybigrigger> haha atta boy
[03:44] <ShapeShifter499> *google
[03:45] <ShapeShifter499> *no good with small netbook keyboard
[03:48] <ShapeShifter499> I just linked my google talk account to pidgin and it just notified me of new unread emails, pidgin has email support??
[03:50] <ShapeShifter499> I did not know that
[03:51] <ShapeShifter499> oh well thanks for answers
[03:51] <ShapeShifter499> gotta go
[03:51] <ShapeShifter499> bye
[03:52] <billybigrigger> gtalk is the bomb
[03:53] <billybigrigger> have only convinced 1 other person i know to use it though haha
[04:01] <jadams_> ~SUCCESS!  If I diable my M-Audio card, the internal card works fine
[04:13] <IndyGunFreak> billybigrigger, i wouldn't mind using it, but nobody else does.. so it kinda limits me.
[04:14] <billybigrigger> jadams_, you should, technically, just be able to choose between the two in padevchooser
[04:15] <billybigrigger> IndyGunFreak, just gotta convert them :P
[04:15] <IndyGunFreak> billybigrigger, well, some folks(myself included) think Google might be the antichrist, so not as easy as you might think..lol
[04:16] <billybigrigger> i support google apps over ms apps any day of the week
[04:19] <IndyGunFreak> billybigrigger, 6 on 1 hand, Half Dozen on the other...lol
[04:36] <webbb8> http://pastebin.ca/1559288   is it because im using karmic that i get this error when trying to  compile
[04:43] <billybigrigger> webbb8, no
[04:43] <billybigrigger> for one you need a compiler :P
[04:44] <webbb8> i thought i had one
[04:44] <billybigrigger> hehe look
[04:44] <webbb8> what one should i install
[04:44] <billybigrigger> no gcc, no c++ gpp cc
[04:44] <billybigrigger> :)
[04:44] <billybigrigger> $ sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[04:44] <billybigrigger> try again
[04:45] <webbb8> ok thanks so that will install all deps
[04:45] <billybigrigger> no
[04:45] <billybigrigger> that will let you compile
[04:45] <billybigrigger> ./configure && make
[04:45] <billybigrigger> if it fails on a depend, then install it
[04:45] <billybigrigger> and try again :)
[04:46] <webbb8> do that config make part in the terminal at the folder i want to compile?
[04:47] <billybigrigger> yes you need to be insde the source dir
[04:47] <billybigrigger> oh snap
[04:47] <webbb8> E: Couldn't find package build-essentials
[04:47] <webbb8> brian@netbook:~$
[04:47] <billybigrigger> eh?
[04:48] <webbb8> when i typed sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[04:48] <webbb8> thats what i get
[04:48] <billybigrigger> build-essential
[04:48] <billybigrigger> i need to read the whole pastebin
[04:48] <billybigrigger> haha
[04:49] <billybigrigger> you need a whole bunch of dependancies
[04:49] <webbb8> ya
[04:50] <webbb8> cn you help me out
[04:50] <dto> hi. the sound preferences box seems not to think my M-Audio FastTrack Pro has any outputs
[04:50] <dto> it only lets me select it for playback.
[04:50] <dto> i'm sorry, s/outputs/inputs.
[04:50] <dto> it doesn't think i can record with it.
[04:51] <billybigrigger> install the PulseAudio dev PPA
[04:51] <billybigrigger> jadams_, you alive? guess who you get to help out now?
[04:51] <billybigrigger> dto, talk to jadams_ he just got his m-audio card working
[04:52] <billybigrigger> webbb8, yeah i'll give you a hand, first $ sudo apt-get install    all of your dependancies :)
[04:52] <dto> billybigrigger: thanks. now, i plan to do my recording mainly with JACK, so i may not need this, however, two points:
[04:53] <dto> 1. i can't get JACK to work because the realtime kernel in karmic (and also the one in jaunty) hang for me on this new toshiba laptop
[04:53] <billybigrigger> im sorry i'm not an audio guru
[04:53] <billybigrigger> linux audio is not my forte.....
[04:53] <dto> oh ok . anyway thanks for pointing me to a person.
[04:53] <billybigrigger> but that is......
[04:53] <webbb8> when i go to install t hem  i keep getting E: Couldn't find package libgnomeui
[04:53] <webbb8> brian@netbook:~$
[04:53]  * dto pokes jadams_ 
[04:53] <billybigrigger> haha gay Kia commercials
[04:54] <billybigrigger> webbb8, try $ sudo apt-cache search libgnomeui
[04:54] <billybigrigger> webbb8, and your probably going to need the -dev pacakges
[04:54] <billybigrigger> so...
[04:55] <billybigrigger> libgnomeuimm-2.6-1c2a - C++ wrappers for libgnomeui (shared library)
[04:55] <billybigrigger> libgnomeuimm-2.6-dev - C++ wrappers for libgnomeui (development files)
[04:56] <billybigrigger> bah thats not what you want
[04:56] <billybigrigger> libgnomeui-common - The GNOME 2 libraries (User Interface) - common files
[04:56] <billybigrigger> libgnomeui-dev - The GNOME 2 libraries (User Interface) - development files
[04:56] <billybigrigger> i need to get out of this vnc session, this laptop's display sucks
[04:57] <webbb8> wow i just sudo apt-get install libgnomeui  and its installin 89 packages
[04:58] <billybigrigger> webbb8, can i ask you a question?
[04:58] <billybigrigger> why don't you install your app from repos?
[04:58] <billybigrigger> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/quick-lounge-applet/2.13.2-1ubuntu1
[04:58] <webbb8> the app i was trying to get wasnt in then
[04:59] <billybigrigger> sudo apt-get install quick-lounge-applet
[04:59] <billybigrigger> it will install version 2.13-21ubuntu1
[04:59] <billybigrigger> compiling when you don't have to is nice
[05:00] <billybigrigger> unless you want to go through your depends list and install every package
[05:00] <webbb8> http://pastebin.ca/1559309
[05:00] <webbb8> chck that out  does that look ;;;ike it just installed all depends
[05:01] <billybigrigger> haha look for yourself
[05:01] <billybigrigger> compling is a PITA
[05:01] <billybigrigger> install from repos my friend
[05:01] <billybigrigger> how are you going to keep this package up to date?
[05:01] <billybigrigger> are you going to compile and install and keep all the depends up to date?
[05:02] <billybigrigger> or just sudo apt-get update and forget about it?
[05:02] <webbb8> no
[05:02] <billybigrigger> i pasted you the link to the package, it exists in karmic repos
[05:02] <webbb8> what would sudo  apt-get update tdo
[05:02] <billybigrigger> it will update your sources
[05:03] <billybigrigger> then sudo aptitude safe-upgrade will upgrade all of your packages
[05:03] <billybigrigger> together, they are the easiest way, imo to upgrade your system
[05:03] <billybigrigger> $ sudo apt-get update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[05:03] <webbb8> thanks
[05:04] <billybigrigger> you should really learn Ubuntu in a stable environment my friend
[05:04] <billybigrigger> try Jaunty 9.04
[05:04] <billybigrigger> but hey, learning how to fix things is fun too...but it might be a bit much for a new user
[05:04] <webbb8> is karmin that buggie
[05:04] <billybigrigger> as things WILL break in Karmic
[05:04] <billybigrigger> it's an alpha my friend
[05:05] <webbb8> i havnt had any probs with it yet
[05:05] <billybigrigger> knock on wood
[05:05] <billybigrigger> haha
[05:05] <webbb8> lol
[05:06] <dto> i like how the rhytthmbox audio seamlessly switches to the internal speakers if i disconnect the usb audio, without missing a note
[05:09] <webbb8> what do you use for note taking
[05:09] <webbb8> tomboy  basket
[05:09] <dto> emacs.
[05:09] <webbb8> ubernote  onenote
[05:09] <mikm_> I use a actual pen and paper
[05:10] <mikm_> s/a/an/
[05:10] <dto> also sometimes palmpilot.
[05:10] <dto> i have a palm tx
[05:10] <dto> webbb8: have you looked into orgmode.org?
[05:10] <webbb8> no ill check it out   i have been using ubernote and it works pretty well  u should check it out
[05:28] <jadams_> dto, you here?
[05:28] <dto> hi. i made an ubuntu one account. but i can't seem to try it out.
[05:28] <dto> jadams_: yup.
[05:28] <dto> hello.
[05:28] <jadams_> ok
[05:28] <jadams_> so first, did you install the pulse ppa?
[05:29] <jadams_> "pulseaudio dev ppa" or something
[05:29] <dto> not yet, i was doing something else. let me move the laptop back to the desk.
[05:29] <jadams_> second: I never got my m-audio working yet (I hear that the ICE driver doesn't work appropriately, there's a confirmed bug to that effect in the tracker)
[05:29] <jadams_> at any rate, deactivating the m-audio card at least fixed my internal sound card
[05:30] <jadams_> but I've heard tales of others with m-audio cards working in karmic...though never met one :)
[05:34] <dto> where is the ubuntu+1 pulse ppa you mention?
[05:35] <dto> i have some audio files i have to review before I screw up my sound drivers :) but that should only take a little while. will you be here a while?
[05:36] <dto> also a general question, is there a corresponding mailing list for this channel that i should join, if i want to help get the system working properly on this model of toshiba laptop?
[05:36] <dto> or is the irc channel and launchpad generally how things are done?
[05:36] <dto> jadams_: it works fine in karmic for playback. but i haven't tried it with jack yet.
[05:41] <cwillu> dto, I believe the alpha5 link above has a link to the development mailing list (which you should subscribe to)
[05:41] <cwillu> irc + launchpad is enough to contribute, but the mailing list does help pull things together
[05:42] <cwillu> you'll get the annoucements directly rather than by mere implication ;p
[05:42] <dto> it makes me think of the moment in Star Trek II when Khan screams "thissss is ceti alpha fiiiive!"
[05:43] <cwillu> missed opportunity, not having a cute ceti themed release :)
[05:52] <dto> how do i get a dvd to play on karmic?
[05:53] <dto> hmm, skipping audio in vlc
[06:10] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[06:11] <ShapeShifter499> the new indicator applet doesn't work
[06:11] <ShapeShifter499> I can't select my status
[06:11] <ShapeShifter499> why?
[06:13] <ShapeShifter499> anyone know?
[06:13] <billybigrigger> you need to be logged into one of your accounts
[06:13] <billybigrigger> ie, gtalk, mns
[06:13] <ShapeShifter499> I am
[06:14] <billybigrigger> msn
[06:14] <billybigrigger> works for me
[06:14] <ShapeShifter499> I'm logged into gtalk, myspace, and twitter
[06:15] <ShapeShifter499> whats the prob?
[06:17] <ShapeShifter499> can u give a screen shot of the app when you use it again?
[06:24] <ShapeShifter499> ??
[06:24] <commander_> i need help
[06:24] <commander_> i want to download Bitdefender virus scannner but it won't let me
[06:25] <billybigrigger> ShapeShifter499, sorry
[06:25] <billybigrigger> here i have posted screenshots earlier
[06:25] <ShapeShifter499> oh?
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[06:25] <ShapeShifter499> ok
[06:26] <ShapeShifter499> hmm......
[06:26] <ShapeShifter499> did you have to configure anything?
[06:26] <ShapeShifter499> to get it working?
[06:27] <billybigrigger> nope
[06:27] <ShapeShifter499> hmmm...
[06:27] <ShapeShifter499> where can I go to fix this prob
[06:27] <ShapeShifter499> ?
[06:29] <ShapeShifter499> I keep clicking another status and it wont let me change to it
[06:29] <billybigrigger> what im client?
[06:29] <billybigrigger> file a bug i guess
[06:29] <billybigrigger> i'm off to bed!
[06:30] <ShapeShifter499> ok bye
[07:01] <Polterge|st> the Karmic install is becoming more stable but for some reason my system will not boot from the newer kernels
[07:02] <Polterge|st> Linux version 2.6.28-15-generic (buildd@vernadsky) (gcc version 4.3.3 (Ubuntu 4.3.3-5ubuntu4) ) #51-Ubuntu SMP Mon Aug 31 13:33:16 UTC 2009
[07:02] <Polterge|st> that is the most recent I can get it
[07:02] <Polterge|st> anything beyond that freezes up on boot
[07:02] <Polterge|st> the sound / audio stuff is getting better though
[07:03] <Polterge|st> it still needs the multi-wallpaper fix
[07:03] <Polterge|st> for nautilus
[07:03] <Polterge|st> and the gnome workspace switcher prefs still need to be fixed
[07:04] <Polterge|st> those are things that are probably taking away from some people's Ubuntu experiences
[07:14] <Boohbah> Polterge|st: my sound card only works with 2.6.30+
[07:15] <Polterge|st> some soundcards are newer and will only work with certain kernels
[07:18] <Boohbah> right, the driver is still under development
[08:37] <dto> jadams_: hey
[08:38] <dto> jadams_: i'm at my audio desk if you want to discuss audio stuff
[08:42] <dto> i really like this laptop with the new ubuntu stuff. it's very responsive and rarely lags, except for the aforementioned "media buttons" rhythmbox issue.
[08:43] <dto> so, thus far no one has responded to or reclassified/rated or whatever, my bug report on launchpad.
[08:44] <dto> how do i gather mindshare for fixing my bug? how can i help?
[08:54] <dto> how do i get rhythmbox to play mp3s in karmic? it says it can't find the plugin, and i can't seem to find the right thing in Synaptic.
[09:23] <alteregoa> the nonfree stuff
[09:23] <alteregoa> get that
[09:24] <alteregoa> i use wine and fb2k cause i get high with amarok
[09:34] <kei> hey -- just upgraded from jaunty to karmic on my netbook. Any idea why gdm wouldn't start automatically anymore? It works fine when I launch it myself as root at the command line. I just upgraded last night and I'm at work now, so didn't have time to dig around in the logs...
[10:01] <alteregoa> kei
[10:01] <alteregoa> graphic drivers
[10:02] <alteregoa> delete your xorg.conf
[10:02] <alteregoa> restart gdm
[10:02] <alteregoa> configure your gfx card
[10:03] <kei> alteregoa: yeah? but it starts fine if i run gdm manually
[10:03] <kei> i'll try that, though, thanks!
[10:03] <alteregoa> make a backup of xorg.conf
[10:04] <alteregoa> cp xorg.conf xorg.old
[10:04] <alteregoa> or something
[10:14] <kei> yup, thanks
[10:21] <CyberCr33p> does someone else has problem with empathy on ubuntu alpha5 with the latest patches?
[10:32] <mac_v> CyberCr33p: specifically what problem?
[10:32] <CyberCr33p> it crash
[10:50] <dto> jadams_: hi
[10:50] <nzmm> god the network manager icon is hideous
[10:51] <nzmm> well the new one
[10:52] <eagles0513875> nzmm: on gnome or kde
[11:00] <nzmm> gnome, its that space invaders esque black thing, masquerading as a networking input ...
[11:01] <nzmm> or should i say PacMan-ghost-like black thing?
[11:01] <eagles0513875> lol
[11:02] <eagles0513875> <--kde user with the occasional gnome use
[11:04] <nzmm> lol.  I get my hopes up when Canonical folk initiate efforts such as the 100 paper cuts, then they go and elevate some shit house icon to the default theme...
[11:04] <nzmm> moreover a hugely visible icon
[11:08] <mac_v> CyberCr33p: Bug #423521 ?
[11:09] <mac_v> nzmm: which icon are you talking about?
[11:10] <mac_v> also
[11:10] <mac_v> !language | nzmm
[11:10] <nzmm> sorry for language
[11:13] <nzmm> mac_v, the predominantly black icon in this screenshot: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/123544/Screenshot.png
[11:15] <mac_v> nzmm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/425935
[11:16] <kei> wow, that is ugly
[11:19] <nzmm> good to know there is a bug for it
[11:23] <CyberCr33p> mac_v, yes this bug
[11:23] <mac_v> nzmm: can you track down where the icon is?
[11:23] <mac_v> i cant seem to find the icon
[11:24] <CyberCr33p> now I hope they can fix: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux/+bug/414560
[11:31] <jarkko> is it possible to remember wireless connections enabled/disabled state over boot?
[11:33] <jarkko> I'm not using wlan or bt on my thinkpad, so I disable them but they are always enabled after reboot (so I use the 'killswitch' hardware key to shut them down)
[11:34] <nzmm> mac_v:  /usr/share/icons/Human/scalable/devices/network-wired.svg
[11:34] <nzmm> for some reason it seems to override the chosen themes icon, in this case network-wired
[11:35] <mac_v> oh the damn thing has been hiding in devices!
[11:35] <mac_v> i had been looking for it in apps and status!
[11:35] <nzmm> lol
[11:35] <nzmm> yea i found it using a handy app i wrote a while back
[11:36] <nzmm> https://launchpad.net/icon-library
[11:36] <nzmm> its my ugly first stab at pygtk
[11:37] <mac_v> nzmm: wow , thats useful , :)  how do i use it?
[11:37] <nzmm> just download the tar.gz, extract and run 'python icon-library.py'
[11:38]  * mac_v tries
[11:38] <nzmm> does it work for you?
[11:41] <mac_v> nzmm: wow , just the tool i was looking for \o/
[11:41] <mac_v> nzmm: thanks... simply awesome
[11:42] <nzmm> cool, the only caveat is the icon replacement functionality is sorta broken ...
[11:43] <mac_v> nzmm: maybe the table label "context" can be folder?
[11:43] <mac_v> "folder"
[11:44] <nzmm> oh, yea, i guess
[11:44] <nzmm> i kinda like context though: 'what context should the icon appear?'
[11:45] <nzmm> is kind where i am coming from
[11:45] <mac_v> nzmm: and the patch can be displayed in the main window it self , since it symlinks to the inherits sometimes it is easier to just view them in the main window
[11:45] <nzmm> folder is a bit more ambiguous imho
[11:45] <mac_v> s/patch/path
[11:45] <nzmm> i dont follow :)
[11:47] <mac_v> nzmm: the icons which dont exist in the selected theme , display the icons from the gnome theme  , this is confusing , when making themes , it would be easier to know what icon does not exist by looking at the main window itself
[11:48] <mac_v> and the context need not be displayed , if it is done as above
[11:48] <mac_v> nzmm: BTW , what made you create this? do you make icons yourself?
[11:48] <nzmm> maybe better would be to add a note saying the icon exists from a inherited theme
[11:49] <nzmm> um, no i just like making this that look cool :)
[11:49] <mac_v> ;p
[11:49] <nzmm> but its good for when i am writing an app to find a system icon that is most appropriate for a circumstance
[11:50] <mac_v> oh
[11:50] <mac_v> nzmm: yeah... the note about the inherits is good too
[11:50] <nzmm> i have not loked at the code in ages, prob take me a while to figure out how it all works again :(
[11:51] <mac_v> nzmm: i'm planning on sending a mail about this to the ubuntu-artwork  mailing list
[11:51] <nzmm> oh cool  :D
[11:52] <mac_v> do you plan on looking code? so i could send the mail after you iron a few things out?
[11:52] <nzmm> well encourage them to hack on it, i am keen to see improvements -- to learn from
[11:52] <nzmm> um, yea i can, but it wont be until the weekend.
[11:53] <mac_v> nzmm: when you do , tweak it , remind me... this is a really helpful tool , somethimes we miss out the symlinks and it breaks the themes
[11:53] <nzmm> i would just post it, i remember struggling with the 'replace icon' functionality for a while last time i had a stab at it, so it may not be an easy fix
[11:53] <nzmm> oh, do you have an email, i can let you know when i make changes
[11:54] <nzmm> or should i just ping on irc
[11:54] <mac_v> nzmm: i'd be here :) you could jsut ping me or send mail from lp
[11:54] <nzmm> ?
[11:54] <nzmm> ok
[11:54] <nzmm> are you artwork team?
[11:55] <mac_v> nzmm: i do some work for the community side :)
[11:55] <mac_v> nzmm: more than the replace function i think as this would help check the integrity of the icon set we are making
[11:56] <mac_v> pretty nifty app :)
[11:56] <nzmm> thanks
[11:56] <nzmm> hey have a look at this: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/123544/pathbar.tar.bz2
[11:56] <nzmm> my pathbar prototype i been playing with this avo...
[11:57] <nzmm> just extract and run test_window.py with python
[11:59] <nzmm> wait! try the file now, it had a bug when i posted the link
[11:59] <nzmm> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/123544/pathbar.tar.bz2
[12:05] <mac_v> nzmm: hmmm... i didnt understand , what is it for? and why does it save files as pdf?
[12:06] <nzmm> hmmm it shouldn't be doing anything pdf
[12:06] <nzmm> i think that may be a cairo surface issue ... meh
[12:07] <nzmm> its meant to be an attempt at this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareStore#Path button
[12:08] <nzmm> are you using karmic
[12:08] <nzmm> ?
[12:09] <mac_v> nzmm:  maybe i'm using it wrong ,i set the file as an executable and i opened the .py from the terminal and ran it , it shows a cross arrow like thingy , which takes a screenshot of the window or panel or object as a pdf and the actions terminate on right-click
[12:10] <mac_v> yes karmic
[12:10] <mac_v> this is ubuntu+1 room ;p
[12:11] <nzmm> i think don;t make it executable and the prob will go away
[12:11] <mac_v> i think i did use it wrong! i thought
[12:11] <nzmm> just run from terminal using python
[12:11]  * mac_v tries again
[12:11] <nzmm> but i doesn't do much at the moment
[12:12] <nzmm> just started with it
[12:13] <mac_v> hmm... if it has noexec then it doesnt seem to work :(
[12:14] <nzmm> :(
[12:14] <nzmm> heres what i see: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/123544/out.ogv
[12:14]  * mac_v having fun with icon library
[12:19] <mac_v> nzmm: oh! yeah works
[12:19] <mac_v> mvo: check this out ^
[12:20] <mac_v> for software store path bar
[12:20] <mvo> nzmm: sweet
[12:21]  * mvo watches it again, because its just so much fun :)
[12:21] <mac_v> hehe
[12:21] <nzmm> :)
[12:21]  * gnomefreak cant see what we are watching 
[12:21] <mac_v> nzmm: mvo is the person you want to contact for the pathbar
[12:21] <mac_v> he is the main dev
[12:21] <nzmm> oh
[12:24] <mvo> nzmm: its good stuff!
[12:24] <nzmm> its very early stuff, just one night ... but i having fun
[12:26] <gnomefreak> was anyone propted to reboot after the upgrade of kernel 2.6.31-10?
[12:26] <mac_v> prompted for me ;p
[12:26] <gnomefreak> prompted even
[12:26] <Dr_Willis> updating now
[12:26] <gnomefreak> mac_v: ok thanks i guess i removed indicator applet
[12:27] <mac_v> gnomefreak: you mean indicator session?
[12:27] <gnomefreak> i have to clean out kernels sometime soon
[12:27] <gnomefreak> mac_v: sure :)
[12:27] <mac_v> ;)
[12:27] <mac_v> i-a is for messages
[12:27]  * gnomefreak waits for answer so i refuse to reboot yet.
[12:28] <gnomefreak> sorry not here. on a whole other server
[12:28]  * mac_v on 2.6.31-10 already \o/
[12:31] <Dr_Willis> the kernel dident up grade.. had to do a dist-upgrade
[12:31] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. WARNING: WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/lsb_release.py is linked but does not belong to any package.
[12:32] <gnomefreak> Dr_Willis: thats normal
[12:32] <gnomefreak> Dr_Willis: warning has been there a while
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> anyone noticed that message? been seeing it for the last week or 2.
[12:32] <mac_v> Dr_Willis: thats been there for a long time
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> its a Double Warning! :)
[12:33] <gnomefreak> im thinking someone forgot to remove/change the link
[12:33] <mac_v> double negative is positive , right ;p
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> hey guys, is it possible to stop all kernel updates from adding --no-floppy to /boot/grub/grub.conf
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> so 2 warnings is ok :)
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> it makes my system not boot
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> Theres the defaults in /etc/default/grub you could check out
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> and the /etc/grub.d/* stuff
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> and I have to either change it before rebooting, or boot to live cd to edit it
[12:34] <mac_v> ActionParsnip: it doesnt add for me
[12:35] <mac_v> also , you can edit the grub stuff ^
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: theres no mention of floppy in any of the scripts in /etc/grub.d
[12:36] <Dr_Willis> Only file i see no-floppy mentioned is in /etc/grub.d/30_otheros
[12:36] <Dr_Willis> so yes I DO see  it in one of the scripts. :)
[12:36] <VSpike> I'm suffering from this error https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagekit/+bug/389766 but the bug says a fix was released.
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> $ grep floppy *
[12:37] <Polterge|st> for some reason the volume icon won't come back for me
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> 30_otheros:search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 6a62b9cc1192cb2d
[12:37] <Polterge|st> my sound works nearly perfectly but the volume slider applet won't show back up
[12:38] <VSpike> "locate libpk-gtk-module.so" tells me it exists in /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libpk-gtk-module.so
[12:38] <VSpike> So why is pretty much every app complaining about it?
[12:39]  * gnomefreak doesnt see complaints about gtk anything
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: i grepped it from /etc : http://pastebin.com/f33f29a64
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: yes the --no-floppy thing makes the system not boot, its not even in the option if I press e to edit the line
[12:40] <gnomefreak> yay down to 2 kernels now just wait for answer still and reboot :)
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> ive not altered that file that i am aware of.
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> pastebinit /etc/grub.d/30_otheros
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> http://pastebin.com/f48aa9efe
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> i womnder if the --no-floppy option would  work dependion on the bios settings for floppy drives.
[12:52] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/426772
[12:53] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: i'll check my system bios for floppy based goodness
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> Im not even up to speed with grub2 enough to know what most of that stuff means in that file.
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> set root=(hd0,1)
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 6a62b9cc1192cb2d
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> looks like its going for hda  partition 1. but not sure about the -fs-uuid and --set stuff mean :) must be the uuid of the  filesystem
[12:58] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: http://pastebin.com/f77e1cdba
[13:00] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: tbh for a single boot system, grub2 is a massive overkill
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> Its supposed to fix some other  'long time' issues with grub also. from what i read on the grub2 docs/guides/homepages
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> for a single boot systel just dd the kernel to the start of the hard drive. :P
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> or was that to a floppy.. i recall doing that YEARS ago
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> long time issues? its worked fine afaics
[13:03] <Dr_Willis> Go check the grub docs/pages..
[13:03] <Dr_Willis> most of the issues where things ive never encountered or ever heard of.
[13:03] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: apparently me too, fire up system, grub loads, boots linux.. job done
[13:04] <Dr_Willis> using that logic we would still be using LILO
[13:04] <Dr_Willis> and Ubuntu 1.0
[13:04] <Dr_Willis> :)
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> lilo is groovy
[13:04] <Dr_Willis> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-2.en.html
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> Dynamic loading of modules in order to extend itself at the run time rather than at the build time.
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> Not that i have a clue what that means.. :)
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> Cross-platform installation which allows for installing GRUB from a different architecture.
[13:06] <Dr_Willis> I think that means it can boot identically on  that OS-X (emfi?) or whatever  and same on ppc.. and arm (perhaps?)
[13:06] <Dr_Willis> Stuff thats over my head.. or things that ive not sure what they mean. :) it seems
[13:06] <Dr_Willis> gotta be buzz word complient!
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> ** Modular, hierarchical, object-oriented framework for file systems, files, devices, drives, terminals, commands, partition tables and OS loaders.
[13:11] <eternal_p> morning all...is anyone having a problem playing embedded flash movies on a web page (64-bit)
[13:11] <Dr_Willis> Hmm..  i wasent yesterday eternal_p  let me check now
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> http://www.rathergood.com/singing_kitties  works here.
[13:13] <eternal_p> try this: http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/09/09/the-palm-pixi-is-official-headed-to-sprint-this-holiday-season/
[13:14] <Dr_Willis> theres a video on that site?
[13:14] <eternal_p> yup
[13:14] <eternal_p> a few
[13:14] <eternal_p> just scroll down
[13:14] <Dr_Willis> just static images here...
[13:15] <ActionParsnip> eternal_p: i use the beta 64bit flash
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: scroll about 30% down
[13:16] <Dr_Willis> aha.. here we go. 'sory the program npviewer.bin closed unexpectendly
[13:16] <Dr_Willis> that was below the firefox window. :)
[13:17] <eternal_p> ahh...so I will switch to 64-bit flash
[13:17] <eternal_p> remind me again, which directory is best used for FF extensions ?
[13:20] <eternal_p> ?
[13:22]  * Dr_Willis wants reminded again why flash is  better for 'videos' then  any of a dozen other ways to have videos on web sites...
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> :)
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> also remind me when cell phones got to be more complex then pc's ?  :)
[13:23] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> the video at   http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/09/09/iida-polaris-phone-meets-robot-robot-meets-japan-video/
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> on that site Does work
[13:23] <Dr_Willis>  a cell phone robot? :)
[13:25] <BluesKaj> still trying to gigure out how to get on the net with our moto krzrkm1 phone ...it's unusually complex for sure :P
[13:25] <BluesKaj> err figure
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> seeing new cell phones with built in wifi  and browsers.. so they can get to the inernet from any wirless hotspot.  Which is neat..
[13:26] <Dr_Willis> by the time my cellphone is elegiable for a upgrade.. they will proberly have taken over the world.
[13:28] <BluesKaj> mine won't connect no matter what , the support ppl even talked me thru all the steps but it still doesn't connect , glad it's a pay as you go
[13:28] <Dr_Willis> Ont thing ive noticed with every cell phone i have.. the things NEVER work like they are supposed to
[13:28] <Dr_Willis>  current one. cant play mp3's via the player. due to some quirk/bug with the 'tags' in the mp3 files..
[13:28] <Dr_Willis> it can play them.. just not in the player..
[13:29] <BluesKaj> well, I guess that's what my laptop is for , forget the cell
[13:29] <Dr_Willis> got  a Netbook :)
[13:29] <Boohbah> Dr_Willis: there is so much code to be written for cell phones and so little time to test it
[13:29] <Dr_Willis> yep Boohbah  and its 'must have moar fancy features!'
[13:29] <eternal_p> sigh..this is what I hate...I do a search for npwrapper.libflashplayer.so shows up in one place..I remove it, replace it with the 64-bit and it is still showing npwrapper.libflashplayer.so in about:plugins
[13:30] <Dr_Willis> and 'it will be gone in a year.. so  who cares!'
[13:30] <Boohbah> Dr_Willis: i used to test bluetooth profiles on a wide range of devices
[13:30] <mvo> nzmm: what are your plans with the path-button code? I would love to use it it software-store :)  but currently it lacks a copyright notice and I would need a contribuor agreement (see http://www.canonical.com/contributors)
[13:30] <Dr_Willis> Bluetooth.. heh.. that has been such a disaster for me  on various OS's
[13:30] <Boohbah> Dr_Willis: the manufacturers always release buggy code
[13:30] <Dr_Willis> such a NEAT idea.. so.. badly done..
[13:31] <Boohbah> yeah because the bluetooth SIG wants to keep tight control of the bluetooth specificiations
[13:32] <Boohbah> they do things like organize anti-piracy raids on chinese factories making counterfeit bluetooth logos :)
[13:34] <nzmm> mvo: plans, get it working better and definately get it into software-store if its desired!
[13:37] <murlidhar> okies i am trying to torrent kubuntu and the tracker says " Requested download is not authorized for use for this tracker "
[13:38] <nzmm> mvo: i am naive as far as copyright stuff, so whatever is most convenient for you guys would be ok i guess
[13:38] <mvo> nzmm: software-store is gpl, so just using the same is fine :)
[13:38] <murlidhar> why have they stopped alpha5 ?
[13:38] <murlidhar> isn't it the latest torrent ?
[13:38] <mvo> (or whatever license that is compatible with it)
[13:39] <mac_v> nzmm: http://www.canonical.com/contributors
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> murlidhar:  i found the torrents very slow..
[13:39] <mac_v> nzmm: you also have to send the pdf mail to mvo
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> too many changes/releases..  so not everyone seeds them  they get updated too fast
[13:39] <nzmm> ok gpl it is, i'll sus the agreement tomorrow, i am off to bed for now
[13:40] <murlidhar> Dr_Willis: i prefer torrenting...i don't mind it being slow cuz i get a max speed of 29KB/s anyways ..
[13:40] <nzmm> ciao
[13:40] <murlidhar> mine is adsl conn!
[13:40] <murlidhar> Dr_Willis: alpha5 is the latest i suppose
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> yea its a week old :) so  its proberly due for alpha 6 now.
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> Given the # of updates ive had in the last week.. i think everything hs been updated twice
[13:41] <murlidhar> Dr_Willis: so u mean the tracker has stopped it ?
[13:41]  * mac_v had pretty fast alpha5 download
[13:41] <mac_v> torrent*
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> murlidhar:  no idea. I gave up on trying the torrents for the aplhas
[13:42] <murlidhar> mac_v: when ?
[13:42] <mac_v> hm.. 2 days ago
[13:42] <murlidhar> mac_v: now the tracker gives me error
[13:42] <mac_v> oh , maybe a temporary error :)
[13:43] <murlidhar> well it says not authorized !!
[13:43] <mac_v> huh ! o.0
[13:43]  * mac_v checks
[13:43] <murlidhar> the tracker says " Requested download is not authorized for use for this tracker "
[13:43] <BluesKaj> murlidhar, try this , it's not a torrent but the source is fast
[13:43] <BluesKaj> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/karmic/alpha-5/karmic-desktop-i386.iso
[13:44] <murlidhar> BluesKaj: my connection is not so stable and that is exactly why i prefer torrenting !
[13:44] <BluesKaj> if you want gnome http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/karmic/alpha-5/karmic-desktop-i386.iso
[13:45] <mac_v> hehe ;p you gave him k*
[13:45] <murlidhar> mac_v: i am wanting K*
[13:45] <murlidhar> ;P
[13:45] <BluesKaj>  oops the last link doesn't work
[13:45] <murlidhar> see!
[13:46] <BluesKaj> the first one does tho
[13:46] <murlidhar> guess alpha-6 is fast on it's way
[13:46] <murlidhar> :)
[13:46] <murlidhar> :D
[13:46] <blackxored> hello
[13:46] <murlidhar> hellp
[13:46] <murlidhar> hello*
[13:46] <murlidhar> :P = :O
[13:46] <mac_v> !hi | blackxored
[13:46] <blackxored> Greetings mac_v
[13:47] <blackxored> how's karmic progressing?? :D sorry about the general question ;)
[13:47] <murlidhar> since i am not a good tester i better wait for the beta releases
[13:47] <murlidhar> cya guys
[13:47] <murlidhar> all the best
[13:47] <mac_v> blackxored: each have their own problems ;p
[13:47] <murlidhar> and thanks for testing
[13:48] <blackxored> mac_v, sure, hardware sucks :D
[13:49] <dto> what's the mailing list for this channel?
[13:49] <BluesKaj> blackxored, plasma crashes after launching kate or the terminal , but it recovvers quickly , more of an annoyance than a real problem
[13:50] <blackxored> BluesKaj, there's probably something wrong with xorg too, since I'm unable to run it from virtualbox ;) even the fallback method fails
[13:50] <blackxored> BluesKaj, gnome user, so hard to tell :D
[13:51] <BluesKaj> blackxored, apparently some gnome users are experiencing the same thing with gedit
[13:52] <blackxored> BluesKaj, as I said, unable to test it, since doesn't runs on vbox
[13:52] <BluesKaj> depends on individual HW and
[13:52] <BluesKaj> etc rather
[13:53] <BluesKaj> vbox isn't really testing ...it comes with it's own probs :)
[13:56] <BluesKaj> blackxored, you asked a general question about how things are progressing so I replied , that's all .
[13:57] <blackxored> BluesKaj, sure
[13:58] <mac_v> dto: ML for this channel? or do you want logs?
[13:58] <dto> mac_v: someone said i should join the mailing list for people testing ubuntu+1, but there isn't one in the topic that i can tell.
[13:58] <mac_v> there is not ML , for this channel , this is just a help channel
[13:59] <mac_v> no*
[13:59] <dto> ok.
[14:00] <mac_v> dto:  just test Karmic and if you have any bugs report them on Launchpad if they aernt reported yet
[14:00] <dto> ok :)
[14:00] <Dr_Willis> Hmm
[14:00] <Dr_Willis> This same game on 9.04 has sound in wine. but on 9.10 it dont..
[14:06] <Guest46316> jeej ouch
[14:10] <Guest46316> Hi guys today updates, broked my X, not text is showed for any widget
[14:10] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. the Matrix Screensaver has diffrent displays on each of my monitors..
[14:10] <Dr_Willis> Wife thoght  the pc was  gettting hacked or somthing :P
[14:10] <Guest46316> an already know issue ?
[14:11] <Dr_Willis> 'what ubuntu needs is a good Aquarium Screensaver!'
[14:11] <Dr_Willis> Guest46316:  its working here.. but ivbe not rebooted yet.. you are the first to mention such an issue.
[14:11] <Guest46316> I've rebooted twice
[14:12] <Guest46316> any tip to track the issue ?
[14:12] <Pici> !bug
[14:12] <Guest46316> not a problem, except that I'm not able to determine the package that fails :)
[14:14] <Pici> Guest46316: Well, what was updated today?
[14:17] <Guest46316> uff hard to say, I got updates for around 130 packages
[14:25] <Guest46316> Pici, http://pastebin.com/f51c5bb10
[14:25] <Guest46316> my dpkg.log for today
[14:26] <cwillu> Guest46316, start with the most generic package that seem related.  It's easier for the the community to triage a bug to the more specific package than it is to punt it in the other direction and then still have to figure out the more specific package
[14:26] <cwillu> s/seem/still seems/
[14:27] <cwillu> I'd expect either a driver acceleration fault in xorg, or something broken in gtk; leaning towards gtk
[14:32] <Guest46316> I searched for gtk, and seem it's nothing related
[14:32] <Guest46316> but the Intel drivers got updated
[14:33] <Guest46316> will downgrade them
[14:41] <Guest46316> I'm back baby, downgraded xserver-xorg-video-intel
[14:41] <Guest46316> cwillu, Pici thanks a lot
[15:27] <dto> i go to Administration | Time and Date, but the dialog crashes
[15:27] <dto> i'm reporting it...
[15:29] <siegie> #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:34] <burner> anyone know if the latest pulse update lets you use more than one sound using program at a time?
[15:37] <daemonk> hi all,
[15:37] <daemonk> anyone here experiencing problems with empathy not loading up?
[15:39] <daemonk> also apache on karmic seems very unstable
[15:39] <daemonk> going to dive deepe and see what I can find
[15:39] <daemonk> 50% pages return blank
[15:43] <Andphe> daemonk: I use apache all days and it works fine for me
[15:43] <daemonk> found the problem
[15:44] <daemonk> is a bug with suhosin
[15:44] <daemonk> I should have started in my logs
[15:44] <daemonk> is the session.encrypt in php settings
[15:44] <daemonk> once disabled stops the problem, I was getting segfaults on about 50% of my page requests
[15:53] <Pretto> is there a way to stop pulseaudio to consume high cpu?
[15:54] <Ranakah> replace pulse with esound
[15:56] <JMFTheVCI> isn't pulse stuck in the distrbution?
[15:56] <Enlik> or disable it, or try to inwestigate.
[15:56] <JMFTheVCI> <ie non removable>?
[15:56] <Enlik> esound is old
[15:57] <dto> i can't get the time+date dialog to work properly. the bug is already reported but, how do i set my time zone from the command line?
[16:02] <Pretto> pulseaudio is a problem indeed
[16:02] <Pretto> consuming 80%+ of CPU
[16:04] <natewiebe13> Pretto: ive got 0% cpu usage
[16:04] <natewiebe13> from pulse
[16:04] <Pretto> natewiebe13, here it is always on top
[16:05] <kei> hmm, figured out what my problem with gdm was
[16:05] <kei> i had /var/log in tmpfs on my netbook, and my startup script didn't have time to recreate the dir structure in there before gdm launched... so gdm couldn't find its log dir and would refuse to start
[16:06] <kei> i guess gdm starts before /etc/init.d/rc.local is processed, now?
[16:06] <Pretto> take a look http://imagebin.org/63177
[16:07] <Pretto> 4503 pretto    20   0 94852 4364 3284 R 82.4  0.3 135:38.66 pulseaudio
[16:08] <Pretto>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[16:08] <Pretto>  4503 pretto    20   0 94852 4364 3284 R 82.4  0.3 135:38.66 pulseaudio
[16:16] <mFacenet> I need to know if this an issue with my system or something that's acknowledge, Gnome has removed itself per an update yesterday, the cause gdm is conflicting with fast-user-switching-app which is a dependency of gnome-desktop-environment which is dependency of gnome
[16:16] <gnomefreak> mFacenet: remove FUSA its not needed gnome now includes it
[16:17] <gnomefreak> than reinstall gnome stuff that it removed or installing ubuntu-desktop should help
[16:18] <mFacenet> gnomefreak: fusa is not install and when I try to target gnome I get gnome: Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.22.2~4ubuntu6) but it is not going to be installed
[16:18] <mFacenet> and when I target gnome-desktop-environment it fails because fusa is marked as a dependency
[16:19] <gnomefreak> mFacenet: does ubuntu-desktop give you same output?
[16:20] <mFacenet> ubuntu desktop is installed but gdm does not give me the option to start a gnome session
[16:20] <gnomefreak> mvo: if your here please look at mFacenet bug. i ran into it very first upgrade but since then i have tried default system upgrade so i wasnt aware it was still happening
[16:20] <gnomefreak> mvo: installing gdm says same output?
[16:20] <gnomefreak> damn
[16:20] <gnomefreak> mFacenet: installing gdm says same?
[16:21] <mFacenet> no gdm installs fine
[16:21] <gnomefreak> mFacenet: how did you upgrade?
[16:21] <mvo> mFacenet: that is a update from karmic to karmic ? ie a partial upgrade?
[16:22] <mFacenet> mvo: yes
[16:22] <gnomefreak> ah didnt think FUSA was able to be installed at all on karmic
[16:22] <gnomefreak> after A2 at least
[16:22] <mFacenet> gnomefreak: probably wasn't but gnome-desktop-environment still marks it as a requirement
[16:22] <mFacenet> isn't is probably a better word
[16:23] <gnomefreak> fast-user-switch-applet (>= 2.22.0)
[16:23] <gnomefreak> sure does
[16:23] <gnomefreak> let me see something real fast
[16:24] <gnomefreak> neither are installed here thats why i dont have issues anymore
[16:25] <mFacenet> out of curiosity is the 'gnome' target installed?
[17:44] <Rouser> Would it be a dumb move to try out the alpha of Karmic?
[17:44] <shadeslayer> Rouser: nope
[17:45] <Rouser> Stable enough for my main computer?
[17:45] <shadeslayer> Rouser: 1)what do you mean by stable? Stable has various definitions
[17:46] <Rouser> I guess I can find that out on my own
[17:46] <Rouser> but does it support 64-bit at this current time? website doesn't say, so i'm assuming i can upgrade to it from a 64-bit install of jaunty
[17:46] <shadeslayer> Rouser: 2)You will have to download many updates each day,and you will have to deal with breakages
[17:46] <Rouser> breakages?
[17:46] <shadeslayer> Rouser: im running a 64 bit karmic
[17:47] <Rouser> aweosme
[17:47] <Rouser> *awesome
[17:47] <Rouser> define "breakages"
[17:47] <shadeslayer> Rouser: yes,there will be occassional breakages
[17:47] <shadeslayer> Rouser: for eg : recently the kernel hung up on shutdown...
[17:47] <shadeslayer> so we had the force a hard/manual shut down
[17:54] <Rouser> I'm going to look into it, thanks
[17:55] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, there's a fix.//go into syssettings/notifications and renable or redisable the sounds (it doesn't matter which) , just do a reset and the after you next session the normal shutdown process should be back . I t doesn't seem to make sense but it works
[17:56] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: already have a new kernel so no worries
[17:56] <BluesKaj> ok
[17:56] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: i was just quoting that as a example ;)
[17:56] <BluesKaj> IC
[18:02] <zniavre> !grub2
[18:07] <klaxian> has anyone tried using Adium themes with empathy?  they don't seem to work for me.  perhaps i'm missing something
[18:07] <klaxian> whenever i switch to an adium theme that i installed and open a new conversation window, nautilus opens the directory containing the theme instead and nothing is rendered in the conversation window
[18:08] <zniavre> white background and white font ?
[18:08] <klaxian> i don't think so.  some of the ones i've tried are quite graphical with backgrounds of their own
[18:09] <klaxian> all the standard ones work, but no adium ones do
[18:09] <klaxian> i thought perhaps i didn't have webkit installed, but indeed i do
[18:11] <klaxian> i tested and it's definitely not white on white
[18:11] <klaxian> the strange thing is that the theme directory opens in nautilus when i open a conversation window with an adium theme selected
[18:12] <klaxian> seems like it's trying to access the theme and it doesn't have the right handler or something
[18:14] <nemo> zniavre: white on white is commonly a result of poor styling and users using a dark theme
[18:14] <nemo> zniavre: I've run into it in quite a few apps
[18:14] <klaxian> yah, i'm sure it's not white on white though
[18:15] <klaxian> and it opens a nautilus window
[18:15] <klaxian> seems like someone else had this problem after google searches
[18:15] <klaxian> they say it started with gnome 2.27.91
[18:15] <klaxian> i've also tried several different themes with the same result
[18:15] <klaxian> all the adium ones don't work
[18:20] <nostahl> hi guys
[18:20] <nostahl> finally completed upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 heh
[18:20] <nostahl> had to delete pidgin , openoffice,gimp, and tons of other software to get enough room on the 4 gig  ssd to do the upgrade heh
[18:21] <nostahl> hrmm this is weird, depends for phpmyadmin are appache
[18:22] <nostahl> who needs apache when you have nginx :P
[18:27] <nostahl> so what are you guys up too today?
[18:31] <htrejh> hi
[18:32] <htrejh> picard (musicbrainz tagger) crashes on karmic, but when wanting to report the bug using the window that shows up, it never opens the browser
[18:32] <htrejh> what should i do?
[18:34] <mikm_> apport-bug -p picard
[18:34] <mikm_> Also, run picard from the terminal and include any output it gives
[18:35] <mikm_> Does the bug occur when scanning files?
[18:35] <mikm_> IIRC, that's an issue with ffmpeg
[18:36] <mikm_> Then again, my memory is extraordinarily faulty
[18:38] <htrejh> mikm_: no when starting it
[18:39] <htrejh> it says python doesn't find module picard.plugins
[18:39] <htrejh> but don't have time to report myself, will do it later :s
[18:45] <Brian_> what instant messanger does karmic use
[18:45] <billybigrigger> empathy by default
[18:45] <billybigrigger> but you don't have to use it
[18:45] <billybigrigger> you can use whatever you want
[18:49] <mikm_> I like empathy.  My only complaint about it is that it doesn't indicate if a person is mobile; it just indicates that they are online.
[18:54] <billybigrigger> i have been using pidgin for the last couple months
[18:54] <billybigrigger> and not all that often haha i totally ditched msn and only use google talk
[18:54] <billybigrigger> only have 1 other contact that uses it haha
[18:54] <billybigrigger> pretty pointless
[18:55] <mikm> I love Jabber, but most people I know don't use it.
[18:57] <DanaG> same here... everybody I know uses AIM... even if they have a gmail account.\
[18:59]  * Twigathy just uses IRC!
[19:00] <billybigrigger> heh
[19:01] <billybigrigger> anyone know why usplash doesn't display as a guest OS in vbox?
[19:03] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/graphviz-cairo/+bug/136450
[19:11] <dupondje> http://pastebin.com/d16497dcb
[19:11] <dupondje> any idea what causes this ?
[19:14] <billybigrigger> Received 47 bytes from 192.168.3.1#53 in 12 ms
[19:14] <billybigrigger> that should be your outside IP
[19:14] <billybigrigger> not your lan ip
[19:14] <billybigrigger> do you have your routes or something messed up?
[19:17] <dupondje> billybigrigger: I have router, and it uses router to request DNS ... :D
[19:20] <BluesKaj> dupondje:  router doesn't need to request DNS, you set the DNS to auto in the roter or you set another domian server like opendns in the router manually
[19:32] <BluesKaj> dupondje:  your ISP should provide your router with the proper dns or you should call them to find out what it is and edit your router dns settings accordingly
[19:40] <billybigrigger> or just use opendns :P
[19:40] <billybigrigger> usually faster than your ISP
[19:47] <BluesKaj> billybigrigger: i tried opendns for a while but I was getting website errors , not frequently , but enuff to become annoying
[19:50] <billybigrigger> really?
[19:50] <billybigrigger> i love opendns, never a problem with it
[19:51] <pan12345> http://www.thaiadpoint.com/tap8.1/bin/redir.php?p=2042&l=1357&u_id=363435
[19:52] <billybigrigger> take your spam elsewhere
[19:52] <billybigrigger> pan12345, ^^^
[19:54] <pan12345> http://www.thaiadpoint.com/tap8.1/bin/redir.php?p=2042&l=1357&u_id=363435
[19:56] <mFacenet> can someone remove the fusa dependency from gnome-desktop-environment
[19:57] <duffydack> Anyone reckon the ext4 "lockup while deleting large files" bug will be fixed for karmic (well I`d assume so since its default!).  Just my friend, with an upto date jaunty still haas the problem... I would have thought a fix would have made it into jaunty by now.
[19:57] <billybigrigger> the fix would be in the kernel
[19:58] <billybigrigger> so if he's running a jaunty kernel.......
[19:59] <duffydack> So they wont be fixing the jaunty kernel?  its been updated a few times since install, I was expecting it fixed.  I dont have any issues on mine so I dont know why he does.  I will be upgrading mine and his to karmic anyhow..
[19:59] <duffydack> just windered.
[19:59] <duffydack> wondered*
[19:59] <billybigrigger> what kernel version is he running?
[20:00] <duffydack> he`s using jaunty install, so jaunty kernel.
[20:00] <billybigrigger> a stock kernel?
[20:01] <duffydack> default installed, and updated
[20:01] <billybigrigger> well then it won't be a stock jaunty kernel...
[20:01] <duffydack> 2.6.28-15 now?
[20:01] <billybigrigger> it will have been updated
[20:01] <billybigrigger> latest stable is 2.6.30
[20:01] <duffydack> well, ok I thought you meant wether it was custom kernel or not
[20:02] <billybigrigger> if he wants to stick it out with jaunty, tell him to try out the newest stable kernel
[20:02] <billybigrigger> 2.6.28.15.20 is the latest jaunty kernel
[20:03] <billybigrigger> so he can either download and install the mainline .30 kernel, or upgrade to karmic
[20:03] <billybigrigger> or compile himself, which ever
[20:04] <billybigrigger> but i can only image the amount of EXT4 fixes between 2.6.28.15 and .30.6 :P
[20:04] <duffydack> ive never used a different kernel to what comes with distro..  wouldnt know where to start
[20:06] <billybigrigger> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.30.5/
[20:06] <duffydack> I was assuming any fix would make it way into the 2.6.28 that gets updated with a dist-upgrade.
[20:06] <billybigrigger> dpkg install the headers, source, and image
[20:06] <billybigrigger> add the kernel image into grub, and boot it :P
[20:07] <duffydack> thx.. might try that later.
[20:07] <billybigrigger> or...
[20:07] <billybigrigger> :)
[20:07] <billybigrigger> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[20:08] <billybigrigger> if you have some spare time haha you could give that a read
[20:08] <billybigrigger> ext4 pretty darn stable in karmic though, i haven't heard of any show stopper problems with it....
[20:08] <billybigrigger> so if you want you could just upgrade to Alpha5
[20:09] <billybigrigger> but depending what you use your systems for...for everyday use Alpha5 is in decent enough shape
[20:09] <duffydack> well Ive only know the large file delete hang once, very early on in jaunty, and not seen it since.  He still sees it.. this is why I`ve made it ext3 on his
[20:09] <billybigrigger> good call :P
[20:10] <billybigrigger> this is also a good read if your interested in upgrading to +1
[20:10] <billybigrigger> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha5
[20:14] <aboSamoor> anyone experiencing problems with firefox having flashy black banners ?
[20:23] <duffydack> billybigrigger, seems its added it to grub during the install, nice. :P
[20:26] <billybigrigger1> duffydack, what did you install the kernel on? jaunty or karmic?
[20:26] <billybigrigger1> duffydack, reboot and give it a go
[20:27] <duffydack> billybigrigger, jaunty, in a vm I have for testing..  apparmor [FAIL] during boot tho.
[20:32] <billybigrigger1> duffydack, what's the error?
[20:36] <duffydack> dont know if its important or not, I dont use it I dont think..  just a fail to start during boot
[20:38] <aboSamoor> I asked if anyone experiencing problems with firefox having flashy black banners ? ubuntu crashed so  I am asking again :)
[20:48] <billybigrigger1> can someone confirm a bug for me? you need to be able to share your desktop and vnc in
[20:48] <BUGabundo> hey friends
[20:48] <billybigrigger1> howdy BUGabundo
[20:48] <BUGabundo> howdy meat lover
[20:49] <billybigrigger1> ...
[20:49] <billybigrigger1> i don't know what to say to that haha
[20:51] <billybigrigger1> can anyone confirm, that useing any vnc viewer, than using mouse scroll or right click ends your vnc session?
[20:51] <billybigrigger1> i think this is a bug in vino-server
[20:52] <billybigrigger1> man my typing is bad today
[21:08] <Bauldrick> I'm on karmic but cant get any 2.6.31 kernels to load, I'm stuck with 2.6.28 (and keep getting errors about it)
[21:10] <gbs-wes> Grrrrr
[21:14] <billybigrigger1> Bauldrick, what is your error?
[21:19] <Bauldrick> billybigrigger1: something about system suffering a serious kernel error, but I'd like for the .31 to load - currently get black screen when trying any of those. Is that kernel modesetting?
[21:21] <nostahl> hey guys. how do you chmod into your installation from a live cd?
[21:21] <billybigrigger1> Bauldrick, possibly, what kind of gpu?
[21:22] <billybigrigger1> nostahl, you mean chroot, chmod is the command used to change a file or directories permissions
[21:22] <billybigrigger1> nostahl, what are you trying to fix?
[21:22] <nostahl> ya
[21:23] <nostahl> i got to mess with users
[21:23] <nostahl> to setup a new /home
[21:24] <Bauldrick> this is a compaq laptop, radeon igp (?)
[21:24] <Bauldrick> 4-0
[21:25] <nostahl> is there an easy way to do this billybigrigger1
[21:25] <billybigrigger1> Bauldrick, im not a radeon user, but im pretty sure intel kms is on by default
[21:25] <billybigrigger1> nostahl, well yes and no, it's easy to chroot, but also easy to screw things up
[21:26] <billybigrigger1> nostahl, you can start with $ sudo fdisk -l to see what your partiton names are
[21:26] <Bauldrick> billybigrigger1: do you just add nomodeset to kernel line somewhere (grub?)
[21:26] <billybigrigger1> you'll need to figure out what partitions are your /home and /
[21:27] <nostahl> how do i mount a second hd as /home after i chroot into the f irst hd wich is /root
[21:27] <billybigrigger1> Bauldrick, i think that will work, im an nvidia user, so i have not much knowledge about kms
[21:27] <billybigrigger1> nostahl, man mount
[21:28] <billybigrigger1> Bauldrick, nomodeset=1 i believe
[21:29] <Bauldrick> thanks billybigrigger1, I'll give it a shot
[21:29]  * billybigrigger1 waits for some other radeon kms users to pipe up
[21:29] <Tim__> Okay... I left Ubuntu on the KDE desktop on overnight
[21:29] <Tim__> Without shutting it down... or I may have put it in sleep mode
[21:29] <Tim__> When I turned it back on, the option to log in to the GNOME desktop environment was gone
[21:29] <Tim__> Plus I have no sound in either KDE or Xfce (and of course I can't access GNOME)
[21:30] <Tim__> My desktop selection thing says "KDE, Xfce Session, Xfce Session, xterm"
[21:30] <Tim__> Instead of "GNOME, KDE, Xfce Session, xterm"
[21:31] <billybigrigger1> can you run gnome-session from a terminal?
[21:31] <Tim__> How would I do that?
[21:32] <billybigrigger1> do you know what login manager you use? kdm gmd?
[21:32] <billybigrigger1> s/gmd/gdm
[21:32] <billybigrigger1> or xdm even
[21:32] <Tim__> I believe it's GMD
[21:32] <billybigrigger1> gdm ok
[21:32] <Tim__> gdm*
[21:33] <billybigrigger1> well pressing ctrl-alt-f1 will bring your to a console, there you can type sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart and see if gnome appears again
[21:33] <Tim__> Ok, I'll try it
[21:33] <billybigrigger1> if not, go back to your tty (ctrl-alt-f1) and type $ gnome-session
[21:38] <Tim__> Didn't work
[21:38] <Tim__> I typed in gnome-session and it said "WARNING: Can not open display" on the terminal
[21:39] <bucky> Tim__, is it running already on ctl-alt F7 ?
[21:39] <Tim__> No
[21:39] <bucky> hmm...
[21:39] <Tim__> I can't get GNOME to appear at all
[21:39] <Tim__> Also I found out that the login and logout sounds work
[21:39] <billybigrigger1> Tim__, what happened when you restarted gdm?
[21:39] <Tim__> But no other sounds do...
[21:40] <Tim__> billybigrigger1, it said "Stopping GDM................................... Starting GDM.................................."
[21:40] <Tim__> Or something to that effect
[21:40] <billybigrigger1> and gnome wasn't an available session?
[21:40] <Tim__> But when I went back to the login screen & session manager, GNOME was not available
[21:40] <Tim__> billybigrigger1, nope
[21:40] <Tim__> It just gave me 4 options of KDE, Xfce session, Xfce session, and xterm
[21:41] <billybigrigger1> do what bucky said, try pressing ctrl-alt-f7
[21:41] <Tim__> Doesn't work
[21:41] <billybigrigger1> that SHOULD take you back to your current session, try ctrl-alt-backspace to restart X
[21:41] <bucky> Tim__, can you sudo shutdown -r now ?
[21:41] <Tim__> Didn't do anything either
[21:41] <Tim__> I'm on KDE
[21:41] <billybigrigger1> Tim__, and what happens when your reboot the machine?
[21:42] <Tim__> I get the Ubuntu loading screen
[21:42] <Tim__> And it goes to the session manager
[21:42] <Tim__> However instead of the normal clear Ubuntu logo at the top of the login box, I get a really fuzzy Kubuntu one
[21:42] <billybigrigger1> so it sounds like your using kdm instead of gdm
[21:42] <Tim__> I was using GDM
[21:42] <Tim__> I think
[21:43] <billybigrigger1> hehe
[21:43] <BUGabundo> grrrrr
[21:43] <Tim__> Because it had the Ubuntu logo at the top
[21:43] <billybigrigger1> drop back to tty and try $ sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[21:43]  * BUGabundo draws the gun and points it to PA
[21:43] <Tim__> Ok
[21:45] <Tim__> I don't run KDM
[21:45] <Tim__> It said "KDM not found"
[21:45] <Tim__> I run GDM, I searched up screenies of it and sure enough that's what it is
[21:46] <Tim__> It has a thing where you click your username, then it brings up a password box
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> use kdm, see if its friendlier
[21:46] <Tim__> And usually there's a pretty Ubuntu logo at the top, now it's a blurry KDM one
[21:46] <Tim__> Ok
[21:46] <Tim__> How do I use KDM?
[21:47] <MTecknology> Can I use the 9.10 cd to install the system with lagacy grub?
[21:48] <billybigrigger1> MTecknology, you'd have to install 9.10 and then remove grub2, and install grub legacy
[21:48] <Tim__> Be right back
[21:48] <MTecknology> alrighty
[21:48] <MTecknology> thanks
[21:48] <billybigrigger1> MTecknology, or install 9.04, and upgrade to 9.10, grub2 will not overwrite grub legacy on upgrades
[21:49] <billybigrigger1> but downgrading is alot easier on bandwidth :P
[21:49] <billybigrigger1> downgrading grub that is
[21:49] <Bauldrick> nomodeset doesn't work to get system up on 2.6.31 either, just hangs with black screen and flashing "cursor" top left
[21:49] <MTecknology> I'd prefer that - I don't have a 9.04 cd
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> make sure you all install sl, its awesome
[21:51] <Michalxo> any advisor here around? I have a problem with multimedia key (one key)
[21:52] <Michalxo> when running xev, I can see button codes... all other buttons work just fine
[21:52] <bucky> is that like the teh package?
[21:52] <Tim__> Still not working
[21:52] <Tim__> How do I switch to KDM from GDM?
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> Michalxo: then you can map the code to an event
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> Tim__: sudo apt-get --reinstall install kdm
[21:52] <bucky> Tim__, what kind of video card do you have
[21:52] <mikm> Tim__: iirc if you do sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> Tim__: then when the config appears, select kdm
[21:52] <Michalxo> ActionParsnip, how to map? some tutorial would be enough :)
[21:53] <ActionParsnip> !keyboard
[21:53] <ActionParsnip> !shortcuts
[21:53] <Michalxo> ActionParsnip, *I can see all codes, apart from that particular key, sorry wrote it worng
[21:54] <Michalxo> although thanks ActionParsnip :)
[21:55] <Michalxo> btw another question.. how to show "synaptic's"(?) updates available icon on panel like it was on previous ubu releases?
[21:55] <ActionParsnip> Michalxo: in the keyboard shortcuts section you can set the key as you wish
[21:56] <Michalxo> I know that, but when I hit that one key, I get no keycode at all
[21:57] <ActionParsnip> Michalxo: then you have a lot more to do to get it working
[21:57] <Michalxo> can be some sort of a bug in kernel? (or what part takes care of keyb "drivers"?)
[21:57] <ActionParsnip> Michalxo: you can add the notification to the panel
[21:58] <ActionParsnip> Michalxo: you may need to define something in xorg.conf. have a websearch for your keyboard make and model online
[21:59] <Michalxo> thanks
[22:15] <ActionParsnip> just found a fix for the --no-floppy bug :D
[22:17] <Michalxo> ":)
[22:17] <guntbert> Michalxo: as for the "update-notifier-icon": gconf-editor - apps/update-notifier : autolaunch=FALSE
[22:41] <Michalxo> hm.. should I fill a bug? that setkeycodes e014 X is not working for me :-/
[22:43] <BUGabundo> stupid pulseaudio
[22:43] <BUGabundo> :(
[22:56] <hacknslash> hola
[23:03] <cwillu> poke poke
[23:04] <BUGabundo> dude
[23:04] <BUGabundo> miss your pokings
[23:04] <cwillu> poke poek poke
[23:04] <BUGabundo> how's life treating you ?
[23:04] <cwillu> :p
[23:04] <BUGabundo> still on the road a lot ?
[23:04] <cwillu> not much right now, quite busy though
[23:04] <cwillu> the boss finally understands what it is I do exactly :)
[23:05] <cwillu> as such, I now have a bunch of new work that matches my job description :)
[23:06] <cwillu> and as an added bonus, I get to send other people out on the road with my equipment, rather than the other way around
[23:07] <cwillu> I'm hoping to be able to get back to the bug triage in a couple weeks though
[23:08] <BUGabundo> :)
[23:08] <BUGabundo> so what do you do now ?
[23:08] <cwillu> programming and soldering
[23:09] <cwillu> had a 5 day weekend, and my first day back ended up working 18 hours :)
[23:10] <cwillu> how's your job going?
[23:11] <BUGabundo> tiresome
[23:11] <cwillu> good tiresome, or mere tired tiresome?
[23:11] <BUGabundo> gonna get even more hand probs from using the mouse so much
[23:12] <BUGabundo> to keep making reports on failed backups on stupid DataProtector :(
[23:12] <cwillu> tip:  don't move your wrist or your arm.  Turn up the sensitivity, and just use your fingertips
[23:12] <BUGabundo> the *worse* kind
[23:13] <cwillu> s/dataprotector/cygwin+rsync/?
[23:15] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:15] <BUGabundo> there's also DP for linux
[23:15] <BUGabundo> but we use wind. :(
[23:15] <cwillu> rsync is available for windows
[23:16] <cwillu> transparency and simplicity are good values in a backup system
[23:16] <BUGabundo> true
[23:17] <cwillu> you should know what its doing so well that you could (and can) do exactly what your backup system does
[23:19] <BUGabundo> :S
[23:20] <cwillu> I'm tempted to write "The Joel Test: 12 Steps to Better Code" for systems administration
[23:20] <cwillu> (http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000043.html)
[23:21] <cwillu> (1) do you have backups? (2) do you have change management? (3) do you write documentation before implementing new systems?  (4) do you have a bug/issue database? (5)...
[23:25] <cwillu> anyways, going to bed now :p
[23:26] <cwillu> thinking I might hook up irc at work though :p
[23:28] <arand> Hmm, that thing about fixing all known bugs before doing new code...
[23:29] <billybigrigger> arand, i kind of chuckled on that part
[23:30] <BUGabundo> cwillu: that's not up to me. im just 3rd line monkey slave
[23:31] <cwillu> :)
[23:40] <cbmuser> hi, I have noticed that there are no icons for top level items in the applications menu since the last update
[23:40] <cbmuser> anyone knows what might triggered that?
[23:40] <drs305> I don't, but it is a known issue.
[23:41] <arand> Gnome interface change.
[23:42] <billybigrigger1> cbmuser, you can you your icons back by going to System>Preferences>Appearance then clicking on the Interface tab and checking "show all menu icons"
[23:42] <arand> info: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557469 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgnome/+bug/407621
[23:45] <arand> I'm guessing this will be update notifications all over again :D
[23:47] <drs305> gconftool-2 --set --type=bool /desktop/gnome/interface/menus_have_icons  true
[23:48] <drs305> If you want them back right away   ;-)
[23:48] <cbmuser> billybigrigger1: Thanks !
[23:48] <billybigrigger1> cbmuser, no prob
[23:48] <cbmuser> maybe I turned it off accidentally :)
[23:49] <billybigrigger1> cbmuser, nope, its a gnome default now
[23:49] <cbmuser> argh
[23:49] <cbmuser> it looks ugly
[23:49] <arand> drs305: But I do think we should preach the UI version..
[23:49] <cbmuser> because the space for the icons is still there
[23:49] <cbmuser> it doesn't save any space
[23:49] <billybigrigger1> cbmuser, quicker loading of menus, "they" claim haha
[23:50] <drs305> arand: I was just looking to see if it was in gconf, and of course it was...
[23:50] <cbmuser> pfft
[23:50] <billybigrigger1> well they should disable ALL icons, not just some
[23:50] <cbmuser> I don't see any increase in speed
[23:50] <billybigrigger1> drs305, howdy, how goes it
[23:50] <drs305> Well billybigrigger1  - made a few grub2 entries the last couple of days.
[23:51] <drs305> Hidden menu explanations mostly,
[23:52] <billybigrigger1> seen that
[23:53] <drs305> That's right, you are on the mailing list for that page aren't you.
[23:53] <dto> hi folks
[23:53] <arand> I think it was mostly a design decision, they think the icons look ugly and cluttered, and hence removed them (which now makes things even more ugly, and on to of that, less usable) But hey, we're not developers, so what do we know about usability?
[23:54] <drs305> gconftool-2 --set --type=bool /desktop/gnome/interface/menus_have_icons  false
[23:54] <drs305> hehe  forwarded from the devs
[23:55] <arand> That came out a bit more resentful than meant... but yea...
[23:56] <robert__> how do i get firefox to work?
[23:57] <dto> robert__: what goes wrong exactly?
[23:57] <dto> can you be more specific
[23:57] <robert__> it won't connect to the internet, it says offline
[23:58] <dto> well, first check your internet connection. what does the network-manager-applet-icon-thing in the panel say?
[23:58] <komputes> Is anyone here testing Gnome 3?
[23:59] <dto> komputes: i tried the Gnome Shell the other day
[23:59] <dto> komputes: which is one of the more visible changes planned for 3.0 iirc