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MaximLevitskybillybigrigger: I mean the drop down one00:00
billybigriggerMaximLevitsky, if you like the new mixer, try 'pavucontrol' it gives you more control and options00:00
MaximLevitskybillybigrigger: I have it00:00
Martin1kamilion: Hm.. What about: Installing local and dd to iSCSI target. Is it possible to use the standard ubuntu kernel with PXE then?00:00
kamilionchx: DVD images are only cdimages plus additional languages, IIRC, so it's only useful if you don't use english as your native language.00:00
MaximLevitskybillybigrigger: I am telling that when you click on mixer icon, the volume slider is horisontal00:00
MaximLevitskybillybigrigger: *was* in 9.0400:01
kamilionMartin1: I don't know offhand, I just installed the enterprise target and swiped a copy of StarPort to see if I had correctly exported the targets so far.00:01
billybigrigger??? really, i always remembered it being vertical00:01
MaximLevitskybillybigrigger: the fact that they removed also mixer is another story, and it does make me angry...00:01
MaximLevitskybillybigrigger: in 9.04 it is horisontal00:01
billybigriggerreally you shouldn't need alsamixer with PA00:01
kamilionMartin1: There's probably a bunch of init scripts and such to poke with if you DD. I'm trying to get PXE to work as well.00:01
billybigriggerMaximLevitsky, show's how long i've been using karmic :P00:02
MaximLevitskybillybigrigger: really I shouldn't need a mixer at all, all settings are set, record volume can be set to sane default...00:02
billybigriggernow your going too far :P it's nice to have a mixer i find00:03
MaximLevitskybillybigrigger: it is these times, that mixer is f*** is when I need it00:03
MaximLevitskybillybigrigger: and then I need all of it, not some 'maser volume'00:03
Martin1kamilion: You know this? http://wpkg.org/Diskless_/_remote_boot_with_Open-iSCSI00:03
MaximLevitskybillybigrigger: during the times, I have seen all kinds of problems that happen00:04
Martin1kamilion: The build a custom initrd with iSCSI support00:04
MaximLevitskybillybigrigger: and on top o that Pa crashes qute often, and likes to set PCM  to zero00:04
MaximLevitskybillybigrigger: is there a way to get alsa mixer back?00:04
chx_kamilion: d'oh connection problem, so i can't find a torrent there00:04
kamilionMartin1: Better docs than I had before. *bookmarks*00:04
billybigriggerdo what i did, and keybind ctrl-alt-p to 'killall pulseaudio'00:05
MaximLevitskybillybigrigger: what you did?00:05
kamilionchx_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/jaunty/release/   jaunty DVDimages with torrents there.00:05
MaximLevitskybillybigrigger: PA dies on its own usually, but it hangs all applications that use it, this is the part that really sucks00:06
Martin1kamilion: I think Windows is a better choice in this part ;-D iSCSI should be natively supported00:06
chx_kamilion: :/00:06
chx_kamilion: i see00:07
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kamilionMartin1: It is, with Win7/2008R200:07
chxkamilion: i am not putting Jaunty on this laptop, too old.00:07
Martin1kamilion: Have you already tried that?00:07
ActionParsnipchx: install xubuntu00:07
kamilionchx_: No torrents for the karmic daily dvd, and no dvd build for A5, so you're stuck with HTTP karmic daily dvd from the first link00:07
kamilionMartin1: yeah, just to make sure my iscsi targets were set up correctly. Win7's installer was able to find my iscsi target, but I didn't test any further there.00:08
chxActionParsnip: uh i meant Jaunty is too old00:08
chxActionParsnip: my laptop is a Lenovo T400s00:08
ActionParsnipchx: its only 5 months old00:09
chxActionParsnip: i am fairly sure that can handle Kubuntu with remarkable ease just needs the absolute latest kernel there is00:09
chxActionParsnip: yeah but my laptop has been released in late June :)00:09
ActionParsnipchx: so....00:10
kamilionMartin1: My main box has been running intrepid for a while, but the main disk is going out. I have a server with 3X WD black 1TBs, and I'm just trying to share a 32GB chunk over iSCSI so I can rip this drive out and send it to the bin00:10
ActionParsnipchx: you can install ubuntu on laptops from 1992 to ones just released00:10
kamilionSo I was just gonna stick karmic on there and copy over my homedir00:11
chxActionParsnip: so it has a big amount of very new hardware which is challanging to Linux00:11
chx*challenging00:11
ActionParsnipchx: depends what it has00:11
kamilionchx: I run ubuntu jaunty on my HP/Compaq Athlon 4 mobile 933Mhz with 224MB of ram. As long as I have less than 60 tabs open in firefox, it works pretty good.00:11
chxkamilion: again, i called Jaunty old, not my laptop. I have a P9400 2.4 GHz Intel CPU, 2GB RAM and one fast SSD.00:12
Martin1kamilion: My setup is smaller. ;-)00:12
Martin1An Qnap Atom NAS (1,5TB Raid 1), an DD-WRT router (dhcp/pxe) and a mini-itx pc00:12
billybigriggerMaximLevitsky, set up a keybinding, so if your having PA problems, press ctrl-alt-p and it will kill pulseaudio daemon, and restart it00:12
billybigriggerMaximLevitsky, System>Preferences>Keyboard shortcuts, add in your own keycombo, enter in the command 'killall pulseaudio'00:13
MaximLevitskybillybigrigger: like I said, PA doesn't hang here, it crashes, and restarts on its own00:13
andresmh Whenever I wake up my laptop from sleep mode the keyboard is frozen and mouse doesn't respond to clicks. The window borders disappear and new windows do not show up anywhere else other than on the gnome panel. How do I report this bug?00:13
billybigriggerworks great for me, and actually ever since i made the keybinding, haha i have only had to kill pulse maybe 3 times00:13
MaximLevitskybillybigrigger: and drags many apps with it00:13
ActionParsnipchx: all that stuff is handled by the kernel00:13
chxActionParsnip: i know that00:13
billybigriggerandresmh, do you have a launchpad account?00:13
chxActionParsnip: i even said that above00:13
* BUGabundo one little piggy went to the market, and this little piggy went to bed . ;|00:14
billybigriggerBUGabundo, early to bed tonight eh?00:14
BUGabundoye0p00:14
andresmhbillybigrigger, yes I do. I have reported bugs before. I just want to make sure to report it to the right package and with all the appropriate info.00:14
Twigathyaww :)00:14
BUGabundostill want to watch naturo or something00:14
BUGabundo:)00:14
andresmhbillybigrigger, what was the command to report bugs form the command line? Is this an Xorg issue?00:14
billybigriggerandresmh, there's no apport crash to file?00:14
billybigriggerandresmh, ubuntubug00:14
ActionParsnipchx: so wheres the issue?00:14
andresmhapport crash?00:15
billybigriggerandresmh, ubuntu-bug is the command, my bad00:15
andresmhso what package should I use billybigrigger ?00:15
billybigriggerandresmh, yeah, usually when an application crashes, apport is launched and gathers bug info for you, makes it easier to file00:15
andresmhbut there is no app crashing in this case billybigrigger00:15
billybigriggerwell, xorg wouldn't be a bad idea00:15
andresmhthat would be $ ubuntu-bug xorg  right?00:16
billybigriggerhave you looked in your X log'00:16
billybigriggers first?00:16
chxActionParsnip: nowhere. i just need Karmic :)00:16
andresmhno00:16
andresmhwhere is it?00:16
billybigriggerandresmh, yeah that's right00:16
billybigriggerandresmh, /var/log/Xorg.0.log00:16
ActionParsnipchx: you can use it if you want, jaunty will probably work too00:16
andresmhi don't see anything super useful in that log file billybigrigger00:17
chxActionParsnip: i am almost 100% that anything below 2.6.30 will have serious video issues.00:17
billybigriggergrep EE | /var/log/Xorg.0.log00:17
billybigriggerand then replace EE with WW00:17
ActionParsnipchx: you can use .30 in jaunty00:17
billybigriggerEE's are errors, WW's are warnings00:18
andresmhbillybigrigger, I found (WW) intel(0): Unknown vendor-specific block f00:18
andresmhand (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.00:18
chxActionParsnip: huh those result in weird stuff , this old laptop here (the new is downloading karmic in windows i am not touching windows...) is still Hardy and i tried intrepid kernel and boy that was a wild ride...00:19
andresmhah never mind, that one is probably just the header, but the first one about intel seems related, no billybigrigger ?00:19
chxActionParsnip: i prefer using kernel with the userspace it's packaged with00:19
billybigriggerandresmh, na you should be fine00:19
chxActionParsnip: if not, i could use say exherbo instead of ubuntu...00:19
billybigriggerandresmh, what is the whole warning though...just to be safe?00:20
billybigriggerandresmh, usually EE's are the show stoppers00:20
andresmhthat was the whole warning00:20
ActionParsnipchx: you can package any kernel you like, thats the point of linux, its hugely flexible00:20
andresmhI have that line multiple times though billybigrigger00:20
andresmhbillybigrigger, umm, i ran ubuntu-bug xorg and then i got an error: Gdk-ERROR **: The program 'firefox' received an X Window System error.00:21
billybigriggerintel(0): Unknown vendor-specific block f00:21
billybigrigger?00:21
andresmhyes that's it billybigrigger00:21
billybigriggerk00:21
billybigriggerandersk, compositing enabled?00:22
andresmhyes billybigrigger00:22
andresmhcompiz00:22
billybigriggeryea00:22
billybigriggerdisable it, and see if the problem persists00:22
andresmhok i disabled compiz now, let me put the machine to sleep and see what happens00:23
billybigriggerk00:23
andresmhbrb00:23
billybigriggeri need to take a bathroom break anywho00:23
billybigriggerill brb aswell :P00:23
andresmhbillybigrigger, seems to have woken up ewll00:23
andresmhwell00:24
TwigathyI'm looking for a new window manager. Something a bit like ratpoison, but with focus-follows-mouse...00:24
andresmhso should i submit the bug to compiz?00:24
TwigathyAnybody got ideas?00:24
jadams_I installed fresh on a jaunty install.  Now I get GRUB error 17s.  I think old grub is still there maybe?  Can someone help me?  I've already looked at the first four or five error 17 google searches00:24
jadams_is there a way to just force reinstall grub2?00:24
MaximLevitskyone more question, where did the icons on windows titles gone?00:24
MaximLevitskyinstead I see just a circule00:25
billybigriggerandersk, ubuntu-bug compiz then :)00:25
billybigriggerandresmh, try it a few times00:25
billybigriggerand make sure you can reproduce it a few times before putting the blame on compiz00:25
kamilionjadams_: yeah. Boot the grub2 rescue disk, boot your system, then run grub-mkdevicemap then run update-grub00:25
billybigriggerandresmh, what kernel and video card by the way?00:26
jadams_kamilion, thanks tons!00:26
chxActionParsnip: yes but that's not the point of a friendly Drupal distro00:26
chxerm00:26
billybigriggerjadams_, this channel is for Karmic development support...any Jaunty questions should go to #ubuntu00:26
chxLinux distro.00:26
andresmh VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c      Linux karmicx300 2.6.31-9-generic #29-Ubuntu SMP Sun Aug 30 17:39:23 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux00:27
jadams_billybigrigger, yeah, I was installing karmic on top of jaunty00:27
ActionParsnipchx: its the entire ethos of linux00:27
billybigriggeroh, your question made it sound like you just did a fresh jaunty install00:27
billybigriggerjadams_, if you don't mind me asking, what is the full grub error 17?00:27
billybigriggeror was that it?00:27
billybigriggeri'00:27
billybigriggerandresmh, what kind of laptop?00:28
jadams_billybigrigger, pretty sure it's the full error.  booting that machine again now to see if there's more00:28
billybigriggeryou might want to take a gander at this bug....looks pretty similar to yours...00:28
andresmhthinkpad x300 billybigrigger00:28
billybigriggerhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/42535700:28
jadams_Grub loading, please wait...Error 1700:28
ubottuUbuntu bug 425357 in compiz "Compiz freezes screen after resuming from suspend" [Undecided,New]00:28
billybigriggerandresmh, thinkpad, same kernel, same graphics, similar problem00:28
andresmhoh wow00:29
nOStahlany of you guys running a localhost webdev setup on karmic koala?00:29
billybigriggerandresmh, no point of starting a new bug...attach your ubuntu-bug output to that00:29
billybigriggerand subscribe to it :P00:29
kamilionnOStahl: I'm running nginx for local development on karmic.00:29
billybigriggerjadams_, if you don't mind, i'm trying to maintain a Grub2 wiki page, and would love to have the full error, as well as a confirmed fix for it added...00:29
nOStahlawesome00:29
jadams_billybigrigger, error 17 is all it says00:29
nOStahldo you have a wordpress going too kamilion00:29
kamilionnOStahl: ... no? It's for development.00:30
jadams_kamilion, I can't find any grub 2 rescue disk online...00:30
nOStahlkamilion can you do me a favor, setup wordpress and get wp-ecommerce plugin to test on your localhost00:30
nOStahlit'll be a while before karmic is finished downloading for me00:30
kamilionjadams_: just a tick00:31
jadams_kamilion, kk, thanks00:31
jadams_billybigrigger, you should put a link to this 'grub2 rescue disk' on the wiki then :)00:31
kamilionjadams_: http://www.supergrubdisk.org/00:31
billybigriggerjadams_, i have a funny feeling your still trying to beed grub legacy00:31
jadams_billybigrigger, I think that's happening too00:31
kamilionError 17 is from grub-legacy, yes00:31
jadams_but it def. should be grub2 by now00:31
billybigriggerjadams_, i think grub2 got rid of the Grub ## Errors00:31
jadams_billybigrigger, and a fresh install of karmic installs grub2 not grub1, yes?00:32
billybigriggerjadams_, did you manually install grub2?00:32
billybigriggerbecause installing karmic over jaunty WILL NOT install grub200:32
billybigriggergrub2 is only installed by default on NEW karmic installs00:32
billybigriggerjadams_, yes00:32
jadams_billybigrigger, I didn't upgrade karmic00:33
billybigriggeryou installed fresh?00:33
jadams_billybigrigger, yes, but it had been jaunty previously00:33
kamilionError 17 is usually a devicemap error00:33
jadams_but yeah, I inserted CD, booted to the ISO load screen, and installed to my computer00:33
billybigriggerjadams_, ok, do you have a livecd?00:33
billybigriggerhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2/#Recover%20Grub%202%20via%20LiveCD00:33
jadams_I did not do a dist-upgrade00:33
kamilionthe bios has assigned a different ID to the primary disk00:33
jadams_yeah00:33
billybigriggerjadams_, follow that link, recover grub via livecd00:33
jadams_kamilion, yeah, but I ALSO have the "this should be grub2" problem00:34
billybigriggerjadams_, should only take a few mins00:34
jadams_billybigrigger, already on it00:34
billybigriggerandresmh, does that bug report look like similar hardware to yours?00:35
andresmhbillybigrigger, it does except the "blank" screen...00:35
andresmhhow do I attach my bug report to an existing one?00:35
nOStahlso is ubuntu ever going to 686 instead of 386?00:36
billybigriggerapport should show you a list of bugs, or i think you can enter your own bug number in00:37
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kamilionjadams_: Once you get grub2 installed correctly, make sure you run grub-mkrescue --image-type=cdrom /home/jadams/Desktop/grub2-rescue.iso00:37
ActionParsnipnOStahl: if you run 32bit, launch uname -a00:37
jadams_kamilion, thanks tons, I will00:37
ActionParsnipnOStahl: it will be i68600:37
andresmhbillybigrigger, ubuntu-bug didn't ask me for  a bug number00:37
andresmhi typed a similar title on the web page ubuntu-bug opens and it did find the bug00:38
nOStahlah00:38
billybigriggerandresmh, did it not fire up a web browser and take you to launchpad?00:38
andresmhso i subscried and said me too00:38
nOStahlwhen did that change actionparsnip?00:38
billybigriggeroh00:38
andresmhbut it didn't append my debug files00:38
aboSamoorwhat does it mean when a package is Superseded ?00:39
ActionParsnipnOStahl: its always been like that, only the installer is i386 for compatibility00:39
billybigriggerandresmh, if you look down on the ride side, look for00:39
nOStahlah00:40
billybigrigger'Bug Reports' and right underneath... 'add'00:40
nOStahlinteresting00:40
andresmhyeah i can add an attachment but how do i append the automatic things ubuntu-bug would append automatically?00:41
billybigriggerandresmh, take a look in /var/crash for your reports00:42
jadams_billybigrigger, kamilion: I'm rebooting right now after the grub recovery attempt00:42
jadams_hey it claims to be booting00:42
jadams_and it is00:42
billybigrigger:P00:43
jadams_superb, thanks tons guys :)00:43
billybigriggerpraise the Grub2 wiki my friend :P00:43
jadams_I will not let a grub boot problem miff me in the future00:43
jadams_you guys rock00:43
billybigriggerall the info you need is there00:43
jadams_but I tried searching :(00:43
jadams_anyway, point taken00:43
nOStahlhrmm running the karmic installer, up to the prepare disk space screen step 5,  i click on specify partitions manually (advanced) and it just sits there after scanning disks00:43
aboSamoordoes the new kernel -10 has the patch for bug 419264 ?00:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 419264 in linux "Uses 100% CPU with latest mesa/libdrm update" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41926400:43
nOStahldosnt bring up the new screen00:43
jadams_I must now steal the wired network cable from me laptop and plug 'er into the desktop00:44
kamilionjadams_: heh heh. Have fun with karmic.00:45
billybigriggeraboSamoor, no00:46
billybigriggeraboSamoor, i just looked, and that patch only made it into the kernel commits today00:46
nOStahlhey guys i cant get past step 5 of the installer, it trys to open the partitioner but fails00:46
nOStahlanyone know what to do?00:47
aboSamoorbillybigrigger: the kernel did not release rc9, so how ubuntu has -10 kernel ? how did you track the patch ?00:47
billybigriggerbecause that's ubuntu's kernel version00:47
kamilionRC9 released on september 5th. http://lwn.net/Articles/351011/00:48
billybigriggeraboSamoor, and my bad00:48
billybigriggeraboSamoor, that commit did make it into rc900:49
billybigriggeraboSamoor, i was looking at something else :P00:49
billybigriggerrc9 is out as of a few days ago00:49
billybigriggeraboSamoor, here is the commit for that fix00:49
billybigriggerhttp://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=a09ba7faf75fa4b21980d81de8e5f3d5c0785ccf00:49
billybigriggerhttp://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=summary   <----- that is the link you want to follow for anything related to the kernel00:50
billybigriggerit is Linus' git tree, and all the changes happen through it...so...there you go :P00:50
MaximLevitskynow that funny:01:14
MaximLevitskyNo command ',ake' found, did you mean:01:15
MaximLevitsky Command 'rake' from package 'rake' (universe)01:15
MaximLevitsky Command 'bake' from package 'bake' (universe)01:15
MaximLevitsky Command 'fake' from package 'fake' (universe)01:15
MaximLevitsky Command 'cake' from package 'cakephp-scripts' (universe)01:15
MaximLevitsky Command 'make' from package 'make' (main)01:15
nOStahlwhats wrong with karmic koala's installer01:18
nOStahlit keeps screwing up at step 5 the partitioner.01:18
jadams_err, I forgot to tell it to boot my /home dir on boot...there's already a /home dir on my root now.  What do I need to do so when I boot my other partition takes over /home?01:20
jadams_err, s/on boot/on install/01:20
jadams_did my earlier message come through?  I wasn't identified on IRC yet01:21
MaximLevitskyjadams_: rule one be carefull01:22
jadams_careful of what?  I don't understand what that meant...01:23
MaximLevitskyjadams_: if you have data on the hard disk, installers can destroy it01:23
jadams_MaximLevitsky, oh bah, I didn't reformat it.  It's fine.  I just need to get it to mount as /home on boot01:24
nOStahlubiquity keeps failing on me hrmmm01:24
MaximLevitskyjadams_: could you explain that more clearly?01:24
jadams_MaximLevitsky, sure.  All of my linux systems since time immemorial have had a separate / and /home partition, so I could upgrade / with /home in place.  I just forgot, when installing karmic, to tell it to mount that partition as /home01:25
MaximLevitskyjadams_: and now it won't boot, right?01:26
MaximLevitskyjadams_: then edit the /etc/fstab01:26
jadams_no, it boots fine.  I don't know how you got that from what I said01:26
jadams_yeah, I can edit the fstab just dandy01:26
jadams_I just don't know what happens by default when I try to mount something as /home in fstab, after its mounted / already, and /home already exists on the first device01:26
jadams_I suppose I could just modify the fstab, remove /home from /, and be fine01:26
MaximLevitskyjadams_: its very fine, old directory will be hidden01:27
jadams_ok, superb01:27
jadams_thanks tons :)01:27
MaximLevitskyjadams_: directory contents is replaced by root of mounted system01:27
MaximLevitskyuntill you umount it01:27
jadams_superb, again :)01:27
MaximLevitskyno problem!01:28
MaximLevitskyactually you do need a /home on root system01:28
MaximLevitskyempty or not01:29
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jadams_oh wow, didn't know...why would that be?01:29
MaximLevitskylet me explain01:29
MaximLevitskymount work like that:01:29
MaximLevitskyit takes a directory01:29
alteregoawhy the heck it tries to install lilo, i got already grub2 installed01:30
MaximLevitskyits content doesn't matter, usually its empty01:30
jadams_oh oh oh01:30
MaximLevitskyand 'connects' that directory to root of mounted system01:30
jadams_no, I get that, sorry01:30
jadams_I thought you were saying you needed /home to BOOT (I can't read or write)01:30
jadams_which sounded wrong in a lot of ways :)01:30
jadams_yeah, I know a mount point has to exist :)01:31
MaximLevitskyjadams_: me nether :-)01:31
nOStahlgah there's nothing online talking about ubiquity (karmic koala's installer) failing on step 501:31
MaximLevitskynOStahl: what it says?01:31
nOStahlit loads the partitioner window01:31
nOStahlthen it gets to 100% goes away01:32
nOStahland nothing heh01:32
nOStahltried doing apt-get install ubiquity after doing an update of the repo's01:32
nOStahlno go01:32
MaximLevitskynOStahl: you could try to run in from console01:32
kamilionjadams_: boot from a livecd, mount your / partition, move the old homedir to like /oldhome, make a new /home mountpoint, and specify it in /etc/fstab01:32
nOStahltried that too01:32
MaximLevitskynOStahl: and see if it prints something suspicios?01:33
nOStahlnadda01:33
nOStahlim using the daily build01:34
jadams_kamilion, meh, I fixed the fstab already, and just live-mounted /home as well.  it's fine, but thanks :)01:34
nOStahlim going to see of the previous one works for me01:34
kamilionah laaag01:34
kamilionsorry, hehe01:34
MaximLevitskynOStahl: then report a bug I guess, or IF you don't care about contents of your harddisk AND ONLY THEN, you can remove partition table, and recreate one01:34
kamilionWell, I'm off work for the day. Catch y'all some other day.01:34
jadams_oh huzzah, my prompt, she's back!01:34
kamilionGood luck jadams_ .01:34
MaximLevitskynOStahl: it probably chokes on some entry in it01:34
nOStahlaye i already have a clean ext4 filesystem on the drives01:34
nOStahli have an eeepc 901 with dual ssd's01:34
nOStahl4 gig for root01:35
nOStahland the second ssd is 8 gig for /home01:35
jadams_kamilion, I have one more reboot in my upgrade process (dist-upgrade upgraded my kernel), and then I should be back at 100%...the grub bug was my only problem.  Well, that and an in-place upgrade left my system unbootable as well01:35
MaximLevitskynOStahl: report a bug then, I really can't help much (I didn't use this application much, since I update the system mostly)01:36
nOStahlmy other option is to get 8.10 and just change the repo's and dist-upgrade eh?01:36
MaximLevitskynOStahl: one person told me not to do dist-update, and it breaks systems01:37
MaximLevitskynOStahl: get a 9.04/8.10 live disk/flash and install from there?01:37
nOStahlaye i might have too01:38
nOStahlim tryin to dl a previous daily build to check that out first01:38
nOStahl20 min left on the dl01:38
chxwow, Karmic is very nice01:39
chxso many packages and programs unknown -- i guess that's because i am unused to kde401:39
nOStahli wish i had 50 meg internet right about now heh01:45
nOStahlan extra 40 megs of dl speed would be fun heh01:45
nOStahloh... and all the repo's at 500 meg upload speed heh01:45
MaximLevitskyis this a bug that user switcher doesn't set online status?01:53
MaximLevitskyand doesn't list logged in users01:53
billybigriggerfast user switcher changes my pidgin status02:02
MaximLevitskybillybigrigger: the new rewritten indicator one?02:03
billybigrigger?02:05
MaximLevitskybillybigrigger: this applet was rewritten in karamic02:05
billybigriggeryeah, it was removed for about 3 Alpha's02:06
billybigriggerit's back now02:06
billybigriggerand works for me as said02:06
wastrelboy i tell you what compiz on koala pegs my cpu02:07
MaximLevitskybillybigrigger: does it look different a bit now?02:07
jadams_ok, one more problem.  In Karmic, I can't seem to get my m-audio delta 1010lt sound card to work.  Sound prefs show only 1 output and 1 input.  I run envy24control and make sure all of the outputs are up high, to no avail :(02:08
jadams_Is it possible the audio's going out the wrong output on the device?02:08
jadams_sound prefs only show 1 output and 1 input, but there's really a ton of each02:09
MaximLevitskyjadams_: this is a mess02:09
MaximLevitskyjadams_: my desktop has 3 inputs too.02:09
jadams_sigh :(  None of the envy24control output level meters are lit up at all, must not be routing through the card after all02:09
jadams_though pavucontrol says it is02:09
MaximLevitskyjadams_: and PA uses first one too02:10
jadams_ok, so I can at least move it around and get audio maybe...though still, no envy24control registration02:10
wastrelinteresting, sreadahead was taking 100% of one core02:11
wastrelwhat's up with that02:11
nOStahlyep that previous daily build didnt work too02:12
nOStahlstill hanging on step 502:12
billybigriggerMaximLevitsky, i don't know what you mean by looking, different, im putting up a screenshot now02:12
billybigriggerhttp://www.thefrozencanuck.ca/photos/main.php?g2_itemId=23302:13
billybigriggerjadams_, have you played with padevchooser02:13
billybigrigger?02:13
MaximLevitskybillybigrigger: thanks, you do have the new rewritten user switch applet02:13
MaximLevitskybillybigrigger: and mine shows always 'offline'02:14
billybigriggeri still don't know what your talking about this new rewrtting user switch applet02:14
billybigriggerthat IS the new one02:14
MaximLevitskybillybigrigger: it is now called 'Indicator applet session'02:14
jadams_MaximLevitsky, mine did that too, but since my remounting /home it disappeared and when I add it back I get the old user switcher02:14
billybigriggerF-U-S-A was removed like 3 Alpha's ago02:14
billybigriggerjust recently it's come back02:14
MaximLevitskybillybigrigger: I compare it to 9.04 one02:15
billybigriggerMaximLevitsky, check this one out http://www.thefrozencanuck.ca/photos/main.php?g2_itemId=23602:16
MaximLevitskyok fine02:16
jadams_garr, rebooting.  I accidentally unplugged my 1010lt hot, hope it survived02:17
jadams_didn't have it screwed in, nudged its dongle (ewww)02:17
Lars_GNew kernel \o/02:18
Lars_Gwill this make my netbook fast again? like two weeks ago?02:18
robert__how is the new alpha release? is it pretty stable yet?02:23
robert__how is the new alpha release? is it pretty stable yet?02:24
alteregoarobert: its still alpha02:24
robert__there's a lot of time spent in alpha and beta, hope there's no bugs in the final release02:25
alteregoano bugs02:25
arandno bugs02:25
alteregoasuch a complex software has bugs, you cannot avoid that02:25
robert__then whats the point in such a long alpha/beta stage lol isn't that supposed to be the reason, to rid the bugs?02:26
alteregoaa bug can be fixed02:26
alteregoato fix the bugs and test it02:26
arandrobert__: it's the difference between 1000 bugs and 50 bugs02:27
MaximLevitskyubuntu makes some nice progress, I see I can now turn usb stick off, using new eject command. nice....02:27
billybigriggerrobert__, long alpha/beta stage? 6 months for release is SHORT!!!02:28
alteregoai still wonder why it tries to install lilo02:28
robert__i'm thinkin about installing alpha 502:28
mikm_Has anybody else noticed certain windows being displayed incorrectly when compiz is not enabled?  More specifically, on my laptop with an old radeon card, notify-osd windows and gnome-do windows are garbled.  This behavior is not reproducable on my desktop with an nvidia card.  I've done some searching in the bug tracker, but haven't found anything.  I just wanted to be sure I hadn't searched for the correct terms before filing a n02:28
robert__in alpha 4 at startup my screen would flicker the brightness up and down up and down for a couple minutes and there was a weird white line across the middle of the screen for a short time as well02:29
robert__i'm lookin forward to the new default theme which is "supposed" to come with this release02:30
mikm_I get the same behavior running a livecd of Alpha 5, so it's not some weird quirk/error in my config02:30
billybigriggerno new theme02:30
billybigriggerbut honestly, why are you still running alpha 4?02:30
robert__billybigrigger, no new theme at all or just as of yet?02:31
robert__i'm not02:31
billybigriggerif your using +1 you should be doing multiple updates a DAY02:31
robert__i use to02:31
billybigriggerno theme YET, it's coming02:31
arvind_khadrimikm_, notify-osd is giving you notifications on top if the screen?02:31
robert__i'm gonna run alpha 5 with my usb drive and see hsow it play02:32
buckywhat default theme? ubuntu blue?02:32
robert__*how02:32
mikm_arvind_khadri: Hold on, I'll show you a screenshot02:32
buckythe brown we got now is better than the old orange02:32
robert__i really like the brown/orange theme, just curious what they can come up with02:33
mikm_If I had to guess, maybe something to match the xsplash mockups02:33
mikm_arvind_khadri: http://imgur.com/uXjIU.jpg02:34
arandAfaik, there'll be no major updates in the theme for KK...02:35
arvind_khadrimikm_, bad, maybe an issue with ati drivers02:35
mikm_That's my theory, considering that it doesn't happen on nvidia02:35
billybigriggermikm_, that looks like notifications02:35
billybigriggermikm_, is it always garbled like that?02:35
mikm_billybigrigger: Always.02:35
billybigriggerhmm02:35
billybigriggerhave you reported it?02:36
mikm_notify-osd popups look the same way02:36
billybigriggerthat is the first time i've seen anything or heard about anything like that02:36
mikm_billybigrigger: I have not.  I was making sure nobody else had first with some weird keywords02:36
mikm_I'll post it now02:36
billybigriggeryour all up to date i take it?02:36
billybigriggerwhat kernel?02:36
mikm_As of a few hours ago02:36
mikm_31-902:36
arandto quote sabdfl: i’m pretty darn confident we’ll have a new look for 10.04 but i think only pieces of that will emerge for 9.1002:37
robert__i'm gonna install alpha and just update my way into final release, this should be fun02:37
billybigriggermikm_, what video card?02:37
mikm_billybigrigger: Radeon Mobility 750002:37
billybigriggermikm_, hmm....02:37
billybigriggermikm_, 30-10 is out, but that might not be the problem02:37
billybigriggeri do recall seeing some radeon fixes inthe kernel, but those would probably mostly be related to kms02:38
mikm_On a related note, has anybody noticed problems with the system freezing completely when running compiz on ati drivers?02:38
robert__i think if we were honest with ourselves part of the reason most of us prefer Linux is because its more fun :)02:38
billybigriggerbut who knows, maybe try 31-10, has it always happened to you? or do you remember when it started happening?02:38
mikm_Freezing completely means no response to Ctrl-Alt-Fx or Magic SysRq02:38
mikm_I do love my reisub.02:39
billybigriggerafter resuming from a sleep?02:39
billybigriggeror just basic system usage02:39
mikm_Basic system usage.  If compiz is enabled, it'll last about a minute before freezing up02:39
billybigriggerhmmm02:39
billybigriggerreport it :P02:39
billybigriggeri haven't had compiz problems here on nvidia for a loooong time02:40
mikm_Will do.  I just wanted to be sure it wasn't a known issue and I was being an idiot with searching02:40
Dr[E]aMwhen i close my laptop lid, the computer will not wake up. any ideas?02:41
Lars_Gshouldn't it wake up when you open the lid?02:41
Lars_Gand go to sleep when you close it02:41
Lars_Gmine is not sleeping on close either since a short while, probably not detecting the lid button, or the acpi script for it is wrong02:42
Dr[E]aMmine will go tp sleep fine02:46
Dr[E]aMit wont wake up02:46
jadams__still trying to get my M-Audio Delta 1010LT soundcard working in a recent karmic upgrade, if anyone feels a significant need to help someone :)02:47
Prettowhy pulseaudion is consuming about 90% of my cpu?02:50
jadams__so when I play audio, pulseaudio shows my levels changing for the M-Audio but envy24control doesn't register anything on the meters02:53
jadams__and when I try to record in jokosher, which worked fine in jaunty, it wigs out and shows a red cross sort of in the track instead of blue level waves...02:56
billybigriggerjadams__, m-audio usb?02:56
jadams__delta 1010lt02:56
billybigriggerdunno what that is :)02:57
jadams__it uses the same driver I'm sure02:57
billybigriggeryou might want to give dtchen a ping, he uses an m-audio usb card02:57
billybigriggerhe's the ubuntu audio guru around here02:57
jadams__thanks, I'll try to catch him on here sometime02:57
billybigriggeryou might have better luck finding him in #ubuntu-dev aswell02:57
jadams__billybigrigger, thanks, I'll try to hunt him down and I'll be sure to blame you :)02:58
billybigriggerhaha02:58
jadams__if I show the volume meter for the sink in pulseaudio, it moves...but nothing in envy24control :(02:59
jadams__back in the day this was a DAC issue, but not this time afaict03:00
billybigriggerdon't know anything about every24control03:00
billybigriggererr envy03:00
jadams__ahh, it's a good mixer for the maudio cards03:01
jadams__my main problem is it says it's using the digital stereo outputs...I want to use analog outputs03:07
jadams__I don't have digital outputs in operation at present...I likely could hook it up via digital, and should, but ain't set up that way.  and I don't see a way in pulse to tell it to use anything other than the digital in/out03:07
billybigriggerrun padevchooser03:07
billybigriggeror pavucontrol, you should be able to change your outputs to analog with them03:08
jadams__I don't have any analog outputs available to CHOOSE from anywhere03:08
jadams__output devices only lists 1010LT digital stereo03:09
jadams__is this an alsa profile issue?03:09
billybigriggerdtchen would be able to answer your qustions on that maudio card i bet03:09
billybigriggeri can change between digital/analog on my intel hda card03:09
jadams__le sigh03:12
billybigriggerhehe03:13
jadams__so is there no asoundrc in karmix?03:15
jadams__karmic, sigh03:15
billybigriggermake one03:16
jadams__I'm ~certain it's digital v. analog outputs, just because it wouldn't show an output in pulseaudio if there was no output in envy24control, I don't think...anyway, I'll hunt dtchen down03:17
jadams__billybigrigger, is dtchen in china?03:20
billybigriggerhaha i don't think so...03:20
billybigriggercould be wrong though03:20
jadams__kk03:20
jadams__ahh, found his identi.ca...awesome03:21
jadams__geez, I've also got some network weirdness...a ping will take 30 seconds to resolve sometimes, but then hit every 60ms like clockwork03:22
billybigriggerneeds03:22
billybigriggeri need to check out identi.ca what's it all about?03:22
jadams__twitteresque03:23
billybigriggerahh poop03:23
billybigriggeri'm anti-social-networking03:23
billybigriggerhah03:23
jadams__oh!03:23
jadams__http://identi.ca/notice/945364503:23
billybigriggerhehe there ya go03:24
jadams__:)03:26
jadams__I'll know soon enough if that's the fix, rebooting ftw because I don't know what else may need restarting otherwise03:26
ShapeShifter499hi03:31
billybigriggerhowdy03:32
ShapeShifter499I got a question about the new indicator applet in karmic, how's it suppose to work??03:32
billybigriggerjust like the old fast-user-switch-applet03:33
billybigriggerwhat do you want to know?03:33
ShapeShifter499what about the part of it that seems to show your status almost like on a IM or IRC03:34
ShapeShifter499?03:34
billybigriggeryou can set your IM status03:34
ShapeShifter499but how?03:34
billybigriggerclick indicator applet, then click whatever status you want03:35
ShapeShifter499doesn't work03:35
billybigriggeroh03:35
billybigriggerit's under Available>03:35
billybigriggerworks for me in pidgin03:35
jadams_billybigrigger, even more telling, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/17844203:35
ubottuUbuntu bug 178442 in pulseaudio "Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets" [Low,Confirmed]03:35
jadams_but I switched to my internal audio, and still no output from pulse :(03:35
ShapeShifter499on mine is its under "Offline"03:36
billybigriggerhttp://www.thefrozencanuck.ca/photos/main.php?g2_itemId=23303:36
billybigriggerhttp://www.thefrozencanuck.ca/photos/main.php?g2_itemId=23603:36
billybigriggernotice IA is offline and red, also pidgin is Away03:36
billybigriggerwhen IA is online and green, piding is Online03:36
billybigriggerare you logged in?03:37
ShapeShifter499no03:37
billybigriggerto one of your pidgin accounts?03:37
billybigriggerhaha03:37
ShapeShifter499so I have to be logged into a supported app like pidgin03:37
ShapeShifter499i didn't know03:37
billybigriggerhow are you supposed to tell you IM contacts your Online or Away if your not online?03:37
billybigriggerpidgin or empathy03:38
billybigriggerim sure it works for others03:38
ShapeShifter499so I must be on a IM manager on my karmic system for that part of the indicator app to work03:38
ShapeShifter499right?03:39
billybigriggeryeah03:39
ShapeShifter499ahh03:39
sageNsand1launchpad told me to purge a folder. How do I do that?03:39
ShapeShifter499ok what about the part of the indicator app that tells you how many emails you have? I couldn't get that to work(and yes I have my gmail linked to Evolution mail)03:40
billybigriggerdon't know03:41
billybigriggeri use thunderbird03:41
ShapeShifter499hmm...03:41
billybigriggerand it's not compatible with indicator applet so...03:41
ShapeShifter499I like how ubuntu is coming along03:42
ShapeShifter499anyway of linking my twitter to pidgin?03:43
billybigriggertwitter? no03:44
billybigriggernot that i know of03:44
ShapeShifter499why not??03:44
billybigriggergoogle for a pidgin twitter plugin03:44
billybigriggercause i'm anti-social-networking03:44
ShapeShifter499-.-03:44
billybigriggerand could care less about twitter haha03:44
ShapeShifter499whatever03:44
ShapeShifter499off to goodle03:44
billybigriggerhaha atta boy03:44
ShapeShifter499*google03:44
ShapeShifter499*no good with small netbook keyboard03:45
ShapeShifter499I just linked my google talk account to pidgin and it just notified me of new unread emails, pidgin has email support??03:48
ShapeShifter499I did not know that03:50
ShapeShifter499oh well thanks for answers03:51
ShapeShifter499gotta go03:51
ShapeShifter499bye03:51
billybigriggergtalk is the bomb03:52
billybigriggerhave only convinced 1 other person i know to use it though haha03:53
jadams_~SUCCESS!  If I diable my M-Audio card, the internal card works fine04:01
IndyGunFreakbillybigrigger, i wouldn't mind using it, but nobody else does.. so it kinda limits me.04:13
billybigriggerjadams_, you should, technically, just be able to choose between the two in padevchooser04:14
billybigriggerIndyGunFreak, just gotta convert them :P04:15
IndyGunFreakbillybigrigger, well, some folks(myself included) think Google might be the antichrist, so not as easy as you might think..lol04:15
billybigriggeri support google apps over ms apps any day of the week04:16
IndyGunFreakbillybigrigger, 6 on 1 hand, Half Dozen on the other...lol04:19
webbb8http://pastebin.ca/1559288   is it because im using karmic that i get this error when trying to  compile04:36
billybigriggerwebbb8, no04:43
billybigriggerfor one you need a compiler :P04:43
webbb8i thought i had one04:44
billybigriggerhehe look04:44
webbb8what one should i install04:44
billybigriggerno gcc, no c++ gpp cc04:44
billybigrigger:)04:44
billybigrigger$ sudo apt-get install build-essentials04:44
billybigriggertry again04:44
webbb8ok thanks so that will install all deps04:45
billybigriggerno04:45
billybigriggerthat will let you compile04:45
billybigrigger./configure && make04:45
billybigriggerif it fails on a depend, then install it04:45
billybigriggerand try again :)04:45
webbb8do that config make part in the terminal at the folder i want to compile?04:46
billybigriggeryes you need to be insde the source dir04:47
billybigriggeroh snap04:47
webbb8E: Couldn't find package build-essentials04:47
webbb8brian@netbook:~$04:47
billybigriggereh?04:47
webbb8when i typed sudo apt-get install build-essentials04:48
webbb8thats what i get04:48
billybigriggerbuild-essential04:48
billybigriggeri need to read the whole pastebin04:48
billybigriggerhaha04:48
billybigriggeryou need a whole bunch of dependancies04:49
webbb8ya04:49
webbb8cn you help me out04:50
dtohi. the sound preferences box seems not to think my M-Audio FastTrack Pro has any outputs04:50
dtoit only lets me select it for playback.04:50
dtoi'm sorry, s/outputs/inputs.04:50
dtoit doesn't think i can record with it.04:50
billybigriggerinstall the PulseAudio dev PPA04:51
billybigriggerjadams_, you alive? guess who you get to help out now?04:51
billybigriggerdto, talk to jadams_ he just got his m-audio card working04:51
billybigriggerwebbb8, yeah i'll give you a hand, first $ sudo apt-get install    all of your dependancies :)04:52
dtobillybigrigger: thanks. now, i plan to do my recording mainly with JACK, so i may not need this, however, two points:04:52
dto1. i can't get JACK to work because the realtime kernel in karmic (and also the one in jaunty) hang for me on this new toshiba laptop04:53
billybigriggerim sorry i'm not an audio guru04:53
billybigriggerlinux audio is not my forte.....04:53
dtooh ok . anyway thanks for pointing me to a person.04:53
billybigriggerbut that is......04:53
webbb8when i go to install t hem  i keep getting E: Couldn't find package libgnomeui04:53
webbb8brian@netbook:~$04:53
* dto pokes jadams_ 04:53
billybigriggerhaha gay Kia commercials04:53
billybigriggerwebbb8, try $ sudo apt-cache search libgnomeui04:54
billybigriggerwebbb8, and your probably going to need the -dev pacakges04:54
billybigriggerso...04:54
billybigriggerlibgnomeuimm-2.6-1c2a - C++ wrappers for libgnomeui (shared library)04:55
billybigriggerlibgnomeuimm-2.6-dev - C++ wrappers for libgnomeui (development files)04:55
billybigriggerbah thats not what you want04:56
billybigriggerlibgnomeui-common - The GNOME 2 libraries (User Interface) - common files04:56
billybigriggerlibgnomeui-dev - The GNOME 2 libraries (User Interface) - development files04:56
billybigriggeri need to get out of this vnc session, this laptop's display sucks04:56
webbb8wow i just sudo apt-get install libgnomeui  and its installin 89 packages04:57
billybigriggerwebbb8, can i ask you a question?04:58
billybigriggerwhy don't you install your app from repos?04:58
billybigriggerhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/quick-lounge-applet/2.13.2-1ubuntu104:58
webbb8the app i was trying to get wasnt in then04:58
billybigriggersudo apt-get install quick-lounge-applet04:59
billybigriggerit will install version 2.13-21ubuntu104:59
billybigriggercompiling when you don't have to is nice04:59
billybigriggerunless you want to go through your depends list and install every package05:00
webbb8http://pastebin.ca/155930905:00
webbb8chck that out  does that look ;;;ike it just installed all depends05:00
billybigriggerhaha look for yourself05:01
billybigriggercompling is a PITA05:01
billybigriggerinstall from repos my friend05:01
billybigriggerhow are you going to keep this package up to date?05:01
billybigriggerare you going to compile and install and keep all the depends up to date?05:01
billybigriggeror just sudo apt-get update and forget about it?05:02
webbb8no05:02
billybigriggeri pasted you the link to the package, it exists in karmic repos05:02
webbb8what would sudo  apt-get update tdo05:02
billybigriggerit will update your sources05:02
billybigriggerthen sudo aptitude safe-upgrade will upgrade all of your packages05:03
billybigriggertogether, they are the easiest way, imo to upgrade your system05:03
billybigrigger$ sudo apt-get update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade05:03
webbb8thanks05:03
billybigriggeryou should really learn Ubuntu in a stable environment my friend05:04
billybigriggertry Jaunty 9.0405:04
billybigriggerbut hey, learning how to fix things is fun too...but it might be a bit much for a new user05:04
webbb8is karmin that buggie05:04
billybigriggeras things WILL break in Karmic05:04
billybigriggerit's an alpha my friend05:04
webbb8i havnt had any probs with it yet05:05
billybigriggerknock on wood05:05
billybigriggerhaha05:05
webbb8lol05:05
dtoi like how the rhytthmbox audio seamlessly switches to the internal speakers if i disconnect the usb audio, without missing a note05:06
webbb8what do you use for note taking05:09
webbb8tomboy  basket05:09
dtoemacs.05:09
webbb8ubernote  onenote05:09
mikm_I use a actual pen and paper05:09
mikm_s/a/an/05:10
dtoalso sometimes palmpilot.05:10
dtoi have a palm tx05:10
dtowebbb8: have you looked into orgmode.org?05:10
webbb8no ill check it out   i have been using ubernote and it works pretty well  u should check it out05:10
jadams_dto, you here?05:28
dtohi. i made an ubuntu one account. but i can't seem to try it out.05:28
dtojadams_: yup.05:28
dtohello.05:28
jadams_ok05:28
jadams_so first, did you install the pulse ppa?05:28
jadams_"pulseaudio dev ppa" or something05:29
dtonot yet, i was doing something else. let me move the laptop back to the desk.05:29
jadams_second: I never got my m-audio working yet (I hear that the ICE driver doesn't work appropriately, there's a confirmed bug to that effect in the tracker)05:29
jadams_at any rate, deactivating the m-audio card at least fixed my internal sound card05:29
jadams_but I've heard tales of others with m-audio cards working in karmic...though never met one :)05:30
dtowhere is the ubuntu+1 pulse ppa you mention?05:34
dtoi have some audio files i have to review before I screw up my sound drivers :) but that should only take a little while. will you be here a while?05:35
dtoalso a general question, is there a corresponding mailing list for this channel that i should join, if i want to help get the system working properly on this model of toshiba laptop?05:36
dtoor is the irc channel and launchpad generally how things are done?05:36
dtojadams_: it works fine in karmic for playback. but i haven't tried it with jack yet.05:36
cwilludto, I believe the alpha5 link above has a link to the development mailing list (which you should subscribe to)05:41
cwilluirc + launchpad is enough to contribute, but the mailing list does help pull things together05:41
cwilluyou'll get the annoucements directly rather than by mere implication ;p05:42
dtoit makes me think of the moment in Star Trek II when Khan screams "thissss is ceti alpha fiiiive!"05:42
cwillumissed opportunity, not having a cute ceti themed release :)05:43
dtohow do i get a dvd to play on karmic?05:52
dtohmm, skipping audio in vlc05:53
ShapeShifter499hi06:10
ShapeShifter499the new indicator applet doesn't work06:11
ShapeShifter499I can't select my status06:11
ShapeShifter499why?06:11
ShapeShifter499anyone know?06:13
billybigriggeryou need to be logged into one of your accounts06:13
billybigriggerie, gtalk, mns06:13
ShapeShifter499I am06:13
billybigriggermsn06:14
billybigriggerworks for me06:14
ShapeShifter499I'm logged into gtalk, myspace, and twitter06:14
ShapeShifter499whats the prob?06:15
ShapeShifter499can u give a screen shot of the app when you use it again?06:17
ShapeShifter499??06:24
commander_i need help06:24
commander_i want to download Bitdefender virus scannner but it won't let me06:24
billybigriggerShapeShifter499, sorry06:25
billybigriggerhere i have posted screenshots earlier06:25
ShapeShifter499oh?06:25
billybigrigger<billybigrigger> http://www.thefrozencanuck.ca/photos/main.php?g2_itemId=23306:25
billybigrigger<billybigrigger> http://www.thefrozencanuck.ca/photos/main.php?g2_itemId=23606:25
ShapeShifter499ok06:25
ShapeShifter499hmm......06:26
ShapeShifter499did you have to configure anything?06:26
ShapeShifter499to get it working?06:26
billybigriggernope06:27
ShapeShifter499hmmm...06:27
ShapeShifter499where can I go to fix this prob06:27
ShapeShifter499?06:27
ShapeShifter499I keep clicking another status and it wont let me change to it06:29
billybigriggerwhat im client?06:29
billybigriggerfile a bug i guess06:29
billybigriggeri'm off to bed!06:29
ShapeShifter499ok bye06:30
Polterge|stthe Karmic install is becoming more stable but for some reason my system will not boot from the newer kernels07:01
Polterge|stLinux version 2.6.28-15-generic (buildd@vernadsky) (gcc version 4.3.3 (Ubuntu 4.3.3-5ubuntu4) ) #51-Ubuntu SMP Mon Aug 31 13:33:16 UTC 200907:02
Polterge|stthat is the most recent I can get it07:02
Polterge|stanything beyond that freezes up on boot07:02
Polterge|stthe sound / audio stuff is getting better though07:02
Polterge|stit still needs the multi-wallpaper fix07:03
Polterge|stfor nautilus07:03
Polterge|stand the gnome workspace switcher prefs still need to be fixed07:03
Polterge|stthose are things that are probably taking away from some people's Ubuntu experiences07:04
BoohbahPolterge|st: my sound card only works with 2.6.30+07:14
Polterge|stsome soundcards are newer and will only work with certain kernels07:15
Boohbahright, the driver is still under development07:18
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dtojadams_: hey08:37
dtojadams_: i'm at my audio desk if you want to discuss audio stuff08:38
dtoi really like this laptop with the new ubuntu stuff. it's very responsive and rarely lags, except for the aforementioned "media buttons" rhythmbox issue.08:42
dtoso, thus far no one has responded to or reclassified/rated or whatever, my bug report on launchpad.08:43
dtohow do i gather mindshare for fixing my bug? how can i help?08:44
dtohow do i get rhythmbox to play mp3s in karmic? it says it can't find the plugin, and i can't seem to find the right thing in Synaptic.08:54
alteregoathe nonfree stuff09:23
alteregoaget that09:23
alteregoai use wine and fb2k cause i get high with amarok09:24
keihey -- just upgraded from jaunty to karmic on my netbook. Any idea why gdm wouldn't start automatically anymore? It works fine when I launch it myself as root at the command line. I just upgraded last night and I'm at work now, so didn't have time to dig around in the logs...09:34
alteregoakei10:01
alteregoagraphic drivers10:01
alteregoadelete your xorg.conf10:02
alteregoarestart gdm10:02
alteregoaconfigure your gfx card10:02
keialteregoa: yeah? but it starts fine if i run gdm manually10:03
keii'll try that, though, thanks!10:03
alteregoamake a backup of xorg.conf10:03
alteregoacp xorg.conf xorg.old10:04
alteregoaor something10:04
keiyup, thanks10:14
CyberCr33pdoes someone else has problem with empathy on ubuntu alpha5 with the latest patches?10:21
mac_vCyberCr33p: specifically what problem?10:32
CyberCr33pit crash10:32
dtojadams_: hi10:50
nzmmgod the network manager icon is hideous10:50
nzmmwell the new one10:51
eagles0513875nzmm: on gnome or kde10:52
nzmmgnome, its that space invaders esque black thing, masquerading as a networking input ...11:00
nzmmor should i say PacMan-ghost-like black thing?11:01
eagles0513875lol11:01
eagles0513875<--kde user with the occasional gnome use11:02
nzmmlol.  I get my hopes up when Canonical folk initiate efforts such as the 100 paper cuts, then they go and elevate some shit house icon to the default theme...11:04
nzmmmoreover a hugely visible icon11:04
mac_vCyberCr33p: Bug #423521 ?11:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 423521 in empathy "empathy crashed with SIGSEGV in g_main_context_dispatch()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42352111:08
mac_vnzmm: which icon are you talking about?11:09
mac_valso11:10
mac_v!language | nzmm11:10
ubottunzmm: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.11:10
nzmmsorry for language11:10
nzmmmac_v, the predominantly black icon in this screenshot: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/123544/Screenshot.png11:13
mac_vnzmm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/42593511:15
ubottuUbuntu bug 425935 in network-manager "[Karmic] ugly ethernet Icon" [Wishlist,New]11:15
keiwow, that is ugly11:16
nzmmgood to know there is a bug for it11:19
CyberCr33pmac_v, yes this bug11:23
mac_vnzmm: can you track down where the icon is?11:23
mac_vi cant seem to find the icon11:23
CyberCr33pnow I hope they can fix: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux/+bug/41456011:24
ubottuUbuntu bug 414560 in linux "ath9k disassociates/reassociates a lot" [Undecided,Confirmed]11:24
jarkkois it possible to remember wireless connections enabled/disabled state over boot?11:31
jarkkoI'm not using wlan or bt on my thinkpad, so I disable them but they are always enabled after reboot (so I use the 'killswitch' hardware key to shut them down)11:33
nzmmmac_v:  /usr/share/icons/Human/scalable/devices/network-wired.svg11:34
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nzmmfor some reason it seems to override the chosen themes icon, in this case network-wired11:34
mac_voh the damn thing has been hiding in devices!11:35
mac_vi had been looking for it in apps and status!11:35
nzmmlol11:35
nzmmyea i found it using a handy app i wrote a while back11:35
nzmmhttps://launchpad.net/icon-library11:36
nzmmits my ugly first stab at pygtk11:36
mac_vnzmm: wow , thats useful , :)  how do i use it?11:37
nzmmjust download the tar.gz, extract and run 'python icon-library.py'11:37
* mac_v tries11:38
nzmmdoes it work for you?11:38
mac_vnzmm: wow , just the tool i was looking for \o/11:41
mac_vnzmm: thanks... simply awesome11:41
nzmmcool, the only caveat is the icon replacement functionality is sorta broken ...11:42
mac_vnzmm: maybe the table label "context" can be folder?11:43
mac_v"folder"11:43
nzmmoh, yea, i guess11:44
nzmmi kinda like context though: 'what context should the icon appear?'11:44
nzmmis kind where i am coming from11:45
mac_vnzmm: and the patch can be displayed in the main window it self , since it symlinks to the inherits sometimes it is easier to just view them in the main window11:45
nzmmfolder is a bit more ambiguous imho11:45
mac_vs/patch/path11:45
nzmmi dont follow :)11:45
mac_vnzmm: the icons which dont exist in the selected theme , display the icons from the gnome theme  , this is confusing , when making themes , it would be easier to know what icon does not exist by looking at the main window itself11:47
mac_vand the context need not be displayed , if it is done as above11:48
mac_vnzmm: BTW , what made you create this? do you make icons yourself?11:48
nzmmmaybe better would be to add a note saying the icon exists from a inherited theme11:48
nzmmum, no i just like making this that look cool :)11:49
mac_v;p11:49
nzmmbut its good for when i am writing an app to find a system icon that is most appropriate for a circumstance11:49
mac_voh11:50
mac_vnzmm: yeah... the note about the inherits is good too11:50
nzmmi have not loked at the code in ages, prob take me a while to figure out how it all works again :(11:50
mac_vnzmm: i'm planning on sending a mail about this to the ubuntu-artwork  mailing list11:51
nzmmoh cool  :D11:51
mac_vdo you plan on looking code? so i could send the mail after you iron a few things out?11:52
nzmmwell encourage them to hack on it, i am keen to see improvements -- to learn from11:52
nzmmum, yea i can, but it wont be until the weekend.11:52
mac_vnzmm: when you do , tweak it , remind me... this is a really helpful tool , somethimes we miss out the symlinks and it breaks the themes11:53
nzmmi would just post it, i remember struggling with the 'replace icon' functionality for a while last time i had a stab at it, so it may not be an easy fix11:53
nzmmoh, do you have an email, i can let you know when i make changes11:53
nzmmor should i just ping on irc11:54
mac_vnzmm: i'd be here :) you could jsut ping me or send mail from lp11:54
nzmm?11:54
nzmmok11:54
nzmmare you artwork team?11:54
mac_vnzmm: i do some work for the community side :)11:55
mac_vnzmm: more than the replace function i think as this would help check the integrity of the icon set we are making11:55
mac_vpretty nifty app :)11:56
nzmmthanks11:56
nzmmhey have a look at this: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/123544/pathbar.tar.bz211:56
nzmmmy pathbar prototype i been playing with this avo...11:56
nzmmjust extract and run test_window.py with python11:57
nzmmwait! try the file now, it had a bug when i posted the link11:59
nzmmhttp://dl.getdropbox.com/u/123544/pathbar.tar.bz211:59
mac_vnzmm: hmmm... i didnt understand , what is it for? and why does it save files as pdf?12:05
nzmmhmmm it shouldn't be doing anything pdf12:06
nzmmi think that may be a cairo surface issue ... meh12:06
nzmmits meant to be an attempt at this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareStore#Path button12:07
nzmmare you using karmic12:08
nzmm?12:08
mac_vnzmm:  maybe i'm using it wrong ,i set the file as an executable and i opened the .py from the terminal and ran it , it shows a cross arrow like thingy , which takes a screenshot of the window or panel or object as a pdf and the actions terminate on right-click12:09
mac_vyes karmic12:10
mac_vthis is ubuntu+1 room ;p12:10
nzmmi think don;t make it executable and the prob will go away12:11
mac_vi think i did use it wrong! i thought12:11
nzmmjust run from terminal using python12:11
* mac_v tries again12:11
nzmmbut i doesn't do much at the moment12:11
nzmmjust started with it12:12
mac_vhmm... if it has noexec then it doesnt seem to work :(12:13
nzmm:(12:14
nzmmheres what i see: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/123544/out.ogv12:14
* mac_v having fun with icon library12:14
mac_vnzmm: oh! yeah works12:19
mac_vmvo: check this out ^12:19
mac_vfor software store path bar12:20
mvonzmm: sweet12:20
* mvo watches it again, because its just so much fun :)12:21
mac_vhehe12:21
nzmm:)12:21
* gnomefreak cant see what we are watching 12:21
mac_vnzmm: mvo is the person you want to contact for the pathbar12:21
mac_vhe is the main dev12:21
nzmmoh12:21
mvonzmm: its good stuff!12:24
nzmmits very early stuff, just one night ... but i having fun12:24
gnomefreakwas anyone propted to reboot after the upgrade of kernel 2.6.31-10?12:26
mac_vprompted for me ;p12:26
gnomefreakprompted even12:26
Dr_Willisupdating now12:26
gnomefreakmac_v: ok thanks i guess i removed indicator applet12:26
mac_vgnomefreak: you mean indicator session?12:27
gnomefreaki have to clean out kernels sometime soon12:27
gnomefreakmac_v: sure :)12:27
mac_v;)12:27
mac_vi-a is for messages12:27
* gnomefreak waits for answer so i refuse to reboot yet.12:27
gnomefreaksorry not here. on a whole other server12:28
* mac_v on 2.6.31-10 already \o/12:28
Dr_Willisthe kernel dident up grade.. had to do a dist-upgrade12:31
Dr_WillisHmm. WARNING: WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/lsb_release.py is linked but does not belong to any package.12:31
gnomefreakDr_Willis: thats normal12:32
gnomefreakDr_Willis: warning has been there a while12:32
Dr_Willisanyone noticed that message? been seeing it for the last week or 2.12:32
mac_vDr_Willis: thats been there for a long time12:32
Dr_Willisits a Double Warning! :)12:32
gnomefreakim thinking someone forgot to remove/change the link12:33
mac_vdouble negative is positive , right ;p12:33
ActionParsniphey guys, is it possible to stop all kernel updates from adding --no-floppy to /boot/grub/grub.conf12:34
Dr_Willisso 2 warnings is ok :)12:34
ActionParsnipit makes my system not boot12:34
Dr_WillisTheres the defaults in /etc/default/grub you could check out12:34
Dr_Willisand the /etc/grub.d/* stuff12:34
ActionParsnipand I have to either change it before rebooting, or boot to live cd to edit it12:34
mac_vActionParsnip: it doesnt add for me12:34
mac_valso , you can edit the grub stuff ^12:35
ActionParsnipDr_Willis: theres no mention of floppy in any of the scripts in /etc/grub.d12:36
Dr_WillisOnly file i see no-floppy mentioned is in /etc/grub.d/30_otheros12:36
Dr_Willisso yes I DO see  it in one of the scripts. :)12:36
VSpikeI'm suffering from this error https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagekit/+bug/389766 but the bug says a fix was released.12:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 389766 in packagekit "Gtk-Message **: Failed to load module "pk-gtk-module": libpk-gtk-module.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory at" [Undecided,Fix released]12:37
Dr_Willis$ grep floppy *12:37
Polterge|stfor some reason the volume icon won't come back for me12:37
Dr_Willis30_otheros:search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 6a62b9cc1192cb2d12:37
Polterge|stmy sound works nearly perfectly but the volume slider applet won't show back up12:37
VSpike"locate libpk-gtk-module.so" tells me it exists in /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libpk-gtk-module.so12:38
VSpikeSo why is pretty much every app complaining about it?12:38
* gnomefreak doesnt see complaints about gtk anything12:39
ActionParsnipDr_Willis: i grepped it from /etc : http://pastebin.com/f33f29a6412:39
ActionParsnipDr_Willis: yes the --no-floppy thing makes the system not boot, its not even in the option if I press e to edit the line12:40
gnomefreakyay down to 2 kernels now just wait for answer still and reboot :)12:40
Dr_Willisive not altered that file that i am aware of.12:46
Dr_Willispastebinit /etc/grub.d/30_otheros12:47
Dr_Willishttp://pastebin.com/f48aa9efe12:47
Dr_Willisi womnder if the --no-floppy option would  work dependion on the bios settings for floppy drives.12:48
ActionParsnipDr_Willis: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/42677212:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 426772 in linux "New Kernel install adds "--no-floppy" causing no boot" [Undecided,New]12:52
ActionParsnipDr_Willis: i'll check my system bios for floppy based goodness12:53
Dr_WillisIm not even up to speed with grub2 enough to know what most of that stuff means in that file.12:54
Dr_Willisset root=(hd0,1)12:54
Dr_Willissearch --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 6a62b9cc1192cb2d12:54
Dr_Willislooks like its going for hda  partition 1. but not sure about the -fs-uuid and --set stuff mean :) must be the uuid of the  filesystem12:55
ActionParsnipDr_Willis: http://pastebin.com/f77e1cdba12:58
ActionParsnipDr_Willis: tbh for a single boot system, grub2 is a massive overkill13:00
Dr_WillisIts supposed to fix some other  'long time' issues with grub also. from what i read on the grub2 docs/guides/homepages13:00
Dr_Willisfor a single boot systel just dd the kernel to the start of the hard drive. :P13:00
Dr_Willisor was that to a floppy.. i recall doing that YEARS ago13:01
ActionParsniplong time issues? its worked fine afaics13:02
Dr_WillisGo check the grub docs/pages..13:03
Dr_Willismost of the issues where things ive never encountered or ever heard of.13:03
ActionParsnipDr_Willis: apparently me too, fire up system, grub loads, boots linux.. job done13:03
Dr_Willisusing that logic we would still be using LILO13:04
Dr_Willisand Ubuntu 1.013:04
Dr_Willis:)13:04
ActionParsniplilo is groovy13:04
Dr_Willishttp://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-2.en.html13:04
Dr_WillisDynamic loading of modules in order to extend itself at the run time rather than at the build time.13:05
Dr_WillisNot that i have a clue what that means.. :)13:05
Dr_WillisCross-platform installation which allows for installing GRUB from a different architecture.13:05
Dr_WillisI think that means it can boot identically on  that OS-X (emfi?) or whatever  and same on ppc.. and arm (perhaps?)13:06
Dr_WillisStuff thats over my head.. or things that ive not sure what they mean. :) it seems13:06
Dr_Willisgotta be buzz word complient!13:06
Dr_Willis** Modular, hierarchical, object-oriented framework for file systems, files, devices, drives, terminals, commands, partition tables and OS loaders.13:07
eternal_pmorning all...is anyone having a problem playing embedded flash movies on a web page (64-bit)13:11
Dr_WillisHmm..  i wasent yesterday eternal_p  let me check now13:11
Dr_Willishttp://www.rathergood.com/singing_kitties  works here.13:12
eternal_ptry this: http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/09/09/the-palm-pixi-is-official-headed-to-sprint-this-holiday-season/13:13
Dr_Willistheres a video on that site?13:14
eternal_pyup13:14
eternal_pa few13:14
eternal_pjust scroll down13:14
Dr_Willisjust static images here...13:14
ActionParsnipeternal_p: i use the beta 64bit flash13:15
ActionParsnipDr_Willis: scroll about 30% down13:16
Dr_Willisaha.. here we go. 'sory the program npviewer.bin closed unexpectendly13:16
Dr_Willisthat was below the firefox window. :)13:16
eternal_pahh...so I will switch to 64-bit flash13:17
eternal_premind me again, which directory is best used for FF extensions ?13:17
eternal_p?13:20
* Dr_Willis wants reminded again why flash is better for 'videos' then any of a dozen other ways to have videos on web sites...13:22
Dr_Willis:)13:22
Dr_Willisalso remind me when cell phones got to be more complex then pc's ?  :)13:22
BluesKajHi folks13:23
Dr_Willisthe video at   http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/09/09/iida-polaris-phone-meets-robot-robot-meets-japan-video/13:23
Dr_Willison that site Does work13:23
Dr_Willis a cell phone robot? :)13:23
BluesKajstill trying to gigure out how to get on the net with our moto krzrkm1 phone ...it's unusually complex for sure :P13:25
BluesKajerr figure13:25
Dr_Willisseeing new cell phones with built in wifi  and browsers.. so they can get to the inernet from any wirless hotspot.  Which is neat..13:25
Dr_Willisby the time my cellphone is elegiable for a upgrade.. they will proberly have taken over the world.13:26
BluesKajmine won't connect no matter what , the support ppl even talked me thru all the steps but it still doesn't connect , glad it's a pay as you go13:28
Dr_WillisOnt thing ive noticed with every cell phone i have.. the things NEVER work like they are supposed to13:28
Dr_Willis current one. cant play mp3's via the player. due to some quirk/bug with the 'tags' in the mp3 files..13:28
Dr_Willisit can play them.. just not in the player..13:28
BluesKajwell, I guess that's what my laptop is for , forget the cell13:29
Dr_Willisgot  a Netbook :)13:29
BoohbahDr_Willis: there is so much code to be written for cell phones and so little time to test it13:29
Dr_Willisyep Boohbah  and its 'must have moar fancy features!'13:29
eternal_psigh..this is what I hate...I do a search for npwrapper.libflashplayer.so shows up in one place..I remove it, replace it with the 64-bit and it is still showing npwrapper.libflashplayer.so in about:plugins13:29
Dr_Willisand 'it will be gone in a year.. so  who cares!'13:30
BoohbahDr_Willis: i used to test bluetooth profiles on a wide range of devices13:30
mvonzmm: what are your plans with the path-button code? I would love to use it it software-store :)  but currently it lacks a copyright notice and I would need a contribuor agreement (see http://www.canonical.com/contributors)13:30
Dr_WillisBluetooth.. heh.. that has been such a disaster for me  on various OS's13:30
BoohbahDr_Willis: the manufacturers always release buggy code13:30
Dr_Willissuch a NEAT idea.. so.. badly done..13:30
Boohbahyeah because the bluetooth SIG wants to keep tight control of the bluetooth specificiations13:31
Boohbahthey do things like organize anti-piracy raids on chinese factories making counterfeit bluetooth logos :)13:32
nzmmmvo: plans, get it working better and definately get it into software-store if its desired!13:34
murlidharokies i am trying to torrent kubuntu and the tracker says " Requested download is not authorized for use for this tracker "13:37
nzmmmvo: i am naive as far as copyright stuff, so whatever is most convenient for you guys would be ok i guess13:38
mvonzmm: software-store is gpl, so just using the same is fine :)13:38
murlidharwhy have they stopped alpha5 ?13:38
murlidharisn't it the latest torrent ?13:38
mvo(or whatever license that is compatible with it)13:38
mac_vnzmm: http://www.canonical.com/contributors13:39
Dr_Willismurlidhar:  i found the torrents very slow..13:39
mac_vnzmm: you also have to send the pdf mail to mvo13:39
Dr_Willistoo many changes/releases..  so not everyone seeds them  they get updated too fast13:39
nzmmok gpl it is, i'll sus the agreement tomorrow, i am off to bed for now13:39
murlidharDr_Willis: i prefer torrenting...i don't mind it being slow cuz i get a max speed of 29KB/s anyways ..13:40
nzmmciao13:40
murlidharmine is adsl conn!13:40
murlidharDr_Willis: alpha5 is the latest i suppose13:40
Dr_Willisyea its a week old :) so  its proberly due for alpha 6 now.13:41
Dr_WillisGiven the # of updates ive had in the last week.. i think everything hs been updated twice13:41
murlidharDr_Willis: so u mean the tracker has stopped it ?13:41
* mac_v had pretty fast alpha5 download13:41
mac_vtorrent*13:41
Dr_Willismurlidhar:  no idea. I gave up on trying the torrents for the aplhas13:41
murlidharmac_v: when ?13:42
mac_vhm.. 2 days ago13:42
murlidharmac_v: now the tracker gives me error13:42
mac_voh , maybe a temporary error :)13:42
murlidharwell it says not authorized !!13:43
mac_vhuh ! o.013:43
* mac_v checks13:43
murlidharthe tracker says " Requested download is not authorized for use for this tracker "13:43
BluesKajmurlidhar, try this , it's not a torrent but the source is fast13:43
BluesKajhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/karmic/alpha-5/karmic-desktop-i386.iso13:43
murlidharBluesKaj: my connection is not so stable and that is exactly why i prefer torrenting !13:44
BluesKajif you want gnome http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/karmic/alpha-5/karmic-desktop-i386.iso13:44
mac_vhehe ;p you gave him k*13:45
murlidharmac_v: i am wanting K*13:45
murlidhar;P13:45
BluesKaj oops the last link doesn't work13:45
murlidharsee!13:45
BluesKajthe first one does tho13:46
murlidharguess alpha-6 is fast on it's way13:46
murlidhar:)13:46
murlidhar:D13:46
blackxoredhello13:46
murlidharhellp13:46
murlidharhello*13:46
murlidhar:P = :O13:46
mac_v!hi | blackxored13:46
ubottublackxored: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!13:46
blackxoredGreetings mac_v13:46
blackxoredhow's karmic progressing?? :D sorry about the general question ;)13:47
murlidharsince i am not a good tester i better wait for the beta releases13:47
murlidharcya guys13:47
murlidharall the best13:47
mac_vblackxored: each have their own problems ;p13:47
murlidharand thanks for testing13:47
blackxoredmac_v, sure, hardware sucks :D13:48
dtowhat's the mailing list for this channel?13:49
BluesKajblackxored, plasma crashes after launching kate or the terminal , but it recovvers quickly , more of an annoyance than a real problem13:49
blackxoredBluesKaj, there's probably something wrong with xorg too, since I'm unable to run it from virtualbox ;) even the fallback method fails13:50
blackxoredBluesKaj, gnome user, so hard to tell :D13:50
BluesKajblackxored, apparently some gnome users are experiencing the same thing with gedit13:51
blackxoredBluesKaj, as I said, unable to test it, since doesn't runs on vbox13:52
BluesKajdepends on individual HW and13:52
BluesKajetc rather13:52
BluesKajvbox isn't really testing ...it comes with it's own probs :)13:53
BluesKajblackxored, you asked a general question about how things are progressing so I replied , that's all .13:56
blackxoredBluesKaj, sure13:57
mac_vdto: ML for this channel? or do you want logs?13:58
dtomac_v: someone said i should join the mailing list for people testing ubuntu+1, but there isn't one in the topic that i can tell.13:58
mac_vthere is not ML , for this channel , this is just a help channel13:58
mac_vno*13:59
dtook.13:59
mac_vdto:  just test Karmic and if you have any bugs report them on Launchpad if they aernt reported yet14:00
dtook :)14:00
Dr_WillisHmm14:00
Dr_WillisThis same game on 9.04 has sound in wine. but on 9.10 it dont..14:00
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Guest46316jeej ouch14:06
Guest46316Hi guys today updates, broked my X, not text is showed for any widget14:10
Dr_WillisHmm.. the Matrix Screensaver has diffrent displays on each of my monitors..14:10
Dr_WillisWife thoght  the pc was  gettting hacked or somthing :P14:10
Guest46316an already know issue ?14:10
Dr_Willis'what ubuntu needs is a good Aquarium Screensaver!'14:11
Dr_WillisGuest46316:  its working here.. but ivbe not rebooted yet.. you are the first to mention such an issue.14:11
Guest46316I've rebooted twice14:11
Guest46316any tip to track the issue ?14:12
Pici!bug14:12
ubottuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » If that fails, you can report bugs manually at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots14:12
Guest46316not a problem, except that I'm not able to determine the package that fails :)14:12
PiciGuest46316: Well, what was updated today?14:14
Guest46316uff hard to say, I got updates for around 130 packages14:17
Guest46316Pici, http://pastebin.com/f51c5bb1014:25
Guest46316my dpkg.log for today14:25
cwilluGuest46316, start with the most generic package that seem related.  It's easier for the the community to triage a bug to the more specific package than it is to punt it in the other direction and then still have to figure out the more specific package14:26
cwillus/seem/still seems/14:26
cwilluI'd expect either a driver acceleration fault in xorg, or something broken in gtk; leaning towards gtk14:27
Guest46316I searched for gtk, and seem it's nothing related14:32
Guest46316but the Intel drivers got updated14:32
Guest46316will downgrade them14:33
Guest46316I'm back baby, downgraded xserver-xorg-video-intel14:41
Guest46316cwillu, Pici thanks a lot14:41
dtoi go to Administration | Time and Date, but the dialog crashes15:27
dtoi'm reporting it...15:27
siegie#ubuntu-offtopic15:29
burneranyone know if the latest pulse update lets you use more than one sound using program at a time?15:34
daemonkhi all,15:37
daemonkanyone here experiencing problems with empathy not loading up?15:37
daemonkalso apache on karmic seems very unstable15:39
daemonkgoing to dive deepe and see what I can find15:39
daemonk50% pages return blank15:39
Andphedaemonk: I use apache all days and it works fine for me15:43
daemonkfound the problem15:43
daemonkis a bug with suhosin15:44
daemonkI should have started in my logs15:44
daemonkis the session.encrypt in php settings15:44
daemonkonce disabled stops the problem, I was getting segfaults on about 50% of my page requests15:44
Prettois there a way to stop pulseaudio to consume high cpu?15:53
Ranakahreplace pulse with esound15:54
JMFTheVCIisn't pulse stuck in the distrbution?15:56
Enlikor disable it, or try to inwestigate.15:56
JMFTheVCI<ie non removable>?15:56
Enlikesound is old15:56
dtoi can't get the time+date dialog to work properly. the bug is already reported but, how do i set my time zone from the command line?15:57
Prettopulseaudio is a problem indeed16:02
Prettoconsuming 80%+ of CPU16:02
natewiebe13Pretto: ive got 0% cpu usage16:04
natewiebe13from pulse16:04
Prettonatewiebe13, here it is always on top16:04
keihmm, figured out what my problem with gdm was16:05
keii had /var/log in tmpfs on my netbook, and my startup script didn't have time to recreate the dir structure in there before gdm launched... so gdm couldn't find its log dir and would refuse to start16:05
keii guess gdm starts before /etc/init.d/rc.local is processed, now?16:06
Prettotake a look http://imagebin.org/6317716:06
Pretto4503 pretto    20   0 94852 4364 3284 R 82.4  0.3 135:38.66 pulseaudio16:07
Pretto  PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND16:08
Pretto 4503 pretto    20   0 94852 4364 3284 R 82.4  0.3 135:38.66 pulseaudio16:08
mFacenetI need to know if this an issue with my system or something that's acknowledge, Gnome has removed itself per an update yesterday, the cause gdm is conflicting with fast-user-switching-app which is a dependency of gnome-desktop-environment which is dependency of gnome16:16
gnomefreakmFacenet: remove FUSA its not needed gnome now includes it16:16
gnomefreakthan reinstall gnome stuff that it removed or installing ubuntu-desktop should help16:17
mFacenetgnomefreak: fusa is not install and when I try to target gnome I get gnome: Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.22.2~4ubuntu6) but it is not going to be installed16:18
mFacenetand when I target gnome-desktop-environment it fails because fusa is marked as a dependency16:18
gnomefreakmFacenet: does ubuntu-desktop give you same output?16:19
mFacenetubuntu desktop is installed but gdm does not give me the option to start a gnome session16:20
gnomefreakmvo: if your here please look at mFacenet bug. i ran into it very first upgrade but since then i have tried default system upgrade so i wasnt aware it was still happening16:20
gnomefreakmvo: installing gdm says same output?16:20
gnomefreakdamn16:20
gnomefreakmFacenet: installing gdm says same?16:20
mFacenetno gdm installs fine16:21
gnomefreakmFacenet: how did you upgrade?16:21
mvomFacenet: that is a update from karmic to karmic ? ie a partial upgrade?16:21
mFacenetmvo: yes16:22
gnomefreakah didnt think FUSA was able to be installed at all on karmic16:22
gnomefreakafter A2 at least16:22
mFacenetgnomefreak: probably wasn't but gnome-desktop-environment still marks it as a requirement16:22
mFacenetisn't is probably a better word16:22
gnomefreakfast-user-switch-applet (>= 2.22.0)16:23
gnomefreaksure does16:23
gnomefreaklet me see something real fast16:23
gnomefreakneither are installed here thats why i dont have issues anymore16:24
mFacenetout of curiosity is the 'gnome' target installed?16:25
RouserWould it be a dumb move to try out the alpha of Karmic?17:44
shadeslayerRouser: nope17:44
RouserStable enough for my main computer?17:45
shadeslayerRouser: 1)what do you mean by stable? Stable has various definitions17:45
RouserI guess I can find that out on my own17:46
Rouserbut does it support 64-bit at this current time? website doesn't say, so i'm assuming i can upgrade to it from a 64-bit install of jaunty17:46
shadeslayerRouser: 2)You will have to download many updates each day,and you will have to deal with breakages17:46
Rouserbreakages?17:46
shadeslayerRouser: im running a 64 bit karmic17:46
Rouseraweosme17:47
Rouser*awesome17:47
Rouserdefine "breakages"17:47
shadeslayerRouser: yes,there will be occassional breakages17:47
shadeslayerRouser: for eg : recently the kernel hung up on shutdown...17:47
shadeslayerso we had the force a hard/manual shut down17:47
RouserI'm going to look into it, thanks17:54
BluesKajshadeslayer, there's a fix.//go into syssettings/notifications and renable or redisable the sounds (it doesn't matter which) , just do a reset and the after you next session the normal shutdown process should be back . I t doesn't seem to make sense but it works17:55
shadeslayerBluesKaj: already have a new kernel so no worries17:56
BluesKajok17:56
shadeslayerBluesKaj: i was just quoting that as a example ;)17:56
BluesKajIC17:56
zniavre!grub218:02
ubottuGRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager in Karmic. For more information on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub218:02
klaxianhas anyone tried using Adium themes with empathy?  they don't seem to work for me.  perhaps i'm missing something18:07
klaxianwhenever i switch to an adium theme that i installed and open a new conversation window, nautilus opens the directory containing the theme instead and nothing is rendered in the conversation window18:07
zniavrewhite background and white font ?18:08
klaxiani don't think so.  some of the ones i've tried are quite graphical with backgrounds of their own18:08
klaxianall the standard ones work, but no adium ones do18:09
klaxiani thought perhaps i didn't have webkit installed, but indeed i do18:09
klaxiani tested and it's definitely not white on white18:11
klaxianthe strange thing is that the theme directory opens in nautilus when i open a conversation window with an adium theme selected18:11
klaxianseems like it's trying to access the theme and it doesn't have the right handler or something18:12
nemozniavre: white on white is commonly a result of poor styling and users using a dark theme18:14
nemozniavre: I've run into it in quite a few apps18:14
klaxianyah, i'm sure it's not white on white though18:14
klaxianand it opens a nautilus window18:15
klaxianseems like someone else had this problem after google searches18:15
klaxianthey say it started with gnome 2.27.9118:15
klaxiani've also tried several different themes with the same result18:15
klaxianall the adium ones don't work18:15
nostahlhi guys18:20
nostahlfinally completed upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 heh18:20
nostahlhad to delete pidgin , openoffice,gimp, and tons of other software to get enough room on the 4 gig  ssd to do the upgrade heh18:20
nostahlhrmm this is weird, depends for phpmyadmin are appache18:21
nostahlwho needs apache when you have nginx :P18:22
nostahlso what are you guys up too today?18:27
htrejhhi18:31
htrejhpicard (musicbrainz tagger) crashes on karmic, but when wanting to report the bug using the window that shows up, it never opens the browser18:32
htrejhwhat should i do?18:32
mikm_apport-bug -p picard18:34
mikm_Also, run picard from the terminal and include any output it gives18:34
mikm_Does the bug occur when scanning files?18:35
mikm_IIRC, that's an issue with ffmpeg18:35
mikm_Then again, my memory is extraordinarily faulty18:36
htrejhmikm_: no when starting it18:38
htrejhit says python doesn't find module picard.plugins18:39
htrejhbut don't have time to report myself, will do it later :s18:39
Brian_what instant messanger does karmic use18:45
billybigriggerempathy by default18:45
billybigriggerbut you don't have to use it18:45
billybigriggeryou can use whatever you want18:45
mikm_I like empathy.  My only complaint about it is that it doesn't indicate if a person is mobile; it just indicates that they are online.18:49
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billybigriggeri have been using pidgin for the last couple months18:54
billybigriggerand not all that often haha i totally ditched msn and only use google talk18:54
billybigriggeronly have 1 other contact that uses it haha18:54
billybigriggerpretty pointless18:54
mikmI love Jabber, but most people I know don't use it.18:55
DanaGsame here... everybody I know uses AIM... even if they have a gmail account.\18:57
* Twigathy just uses IRC!18:59
billybigriggerheh19:00
billybigriggeranyone know why usplash doesn't display as a guest OS in vbox?19:01
DanaGhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/graphviz-cairo/+bug/13645019:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 136450 in graphviz-cairo "dotedit not working for graphviz-cairo" [Undecided,Confirmed]19:03
dupondjehttp://pastebin.com/d16497dcb19:11
dupondjeany idea what causes this ?19:11
billybigriggerReceived 47 bytes from 192.168.3.1#53 in 12 ms19:14
billybigriggerthat should be your outside IP19:14
billybigriggernot your lan ip19:14
billybigriggerdo you have your routes or something messed up?19:14
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dupondjebillybigrigger: I have router, and it uses router to request DNS ... :D19:17
BluesKajdupondje:  router doesn't need to request DNS, you set the DNS to auto in the roter or you set another domian server like opendns in the router manually19:20
BluesKajdupondje:  your ISP should provide your router with the proper dns or you should call them to find out what it is and edit your router dns settings accordingly19:32
billybigriggeror just use opendns :P19:40
billybigriggerusually faster than your ISP19:40
BluesKajbillybigrigger: i tried opendns for a while but I was getting website errors , not frequently , but enuff to become annoying19:47
billybigriggerreally?19:50
billybigriggeri love opendns, never a problem with it19:50
pan12345http://www.thaiadpoint.com/tap8.1/bin/redir.php?p=2042&l=1357&u_id=36343519:51
billybigriggertake your spam elsewhere19:52
billybigriggerpan12345, ^^^19:52
pan12345http://www.thaiadpoint.com/tap8.1/bin/redir.php?p=2042&l=1357&u_id=36343519:54
mFacenetcan someone remove the fusa dependency from gnome-desktop-environment19:56
duffydackAnyone reckon the ext4 "lockup while deleting large files" bug will be fixed for karmic (well I`d assume so since its default!).  Just my friend, with an upto date jaunty still haas the problem... I would have thought a fix would have made it into jaunty by now.19:57
billybigriggerthe fix would be in the kernel19:57
billybigriggerso if he's running a jaunty kernel.......19:58
duffydackSo they wont be fixing the jaunty kernel?  its been updated a few times since install, I was expecting it fixed.  I dont have any issues on mine so I dont know why he does.  I will be upgrading mine and his to karmic anyhow..19:59
duffydackjust windered.19:59
duffydackwondered*19:59
billybigriggerwhat kernel version is he running?19:59
duffydackhe`s using jaunty install, so jaunty kernel.20:00
billybigriggera stock kernel?20:00
duffydackdefault installed, and updated20:01
billybigriggerwell then it won't be a stock jaunty kernel...20:01
duffydack2.6.28-15 now?20:01
billybigriggerit will have been updated20:01
billybigriggerlatest stable is 2.6.3020:01
duffydackwell, ok I thought you meant wether it was custom kernel or not20:01
billybigriggerif he wants to stick it out with jaunty, tell him to try out the newest stable kernel20:02
billybigrigger2.6.28.15.20 is the latest jaunty kernel20:02
billybigriggerso he can either download and install the mainline .30 kernel, or upgrade to karmic20:03
billybigriggeror compile himself, which ever20:03
billybigriggerbut i can only image the amount of EXT4 fixes between 2.6.28.15 and .30.6 :P20:04
duffydackive never used a different kernel to what comes with distro..  wouldnt know where to start20:04
billybigriggerhttp://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.30.5/20:06
duffydackI was assuming any fix would make it way into the 2.6.28 that gets updated with a dist-upgrade.20:06
billybigriggerdpkg install the headers, source, and image20:06
billybigriggeradd the kernel image into grub, and boot it :P20:06
duffydackthx.. might try that later.20:07
billybigriggeror...20:07
billybigrigger:)20:07
billybigriggerhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile20:07
billybigriggerif you have some spare time haha you could give that a read20:08
billybigriggerext4 pretty darn stable in karmic though, i haven't heard of any show stopper problems with it....20:08
billybigriggerso if you want you could just upgrade to Alpha520:08
billybigriggerbut depending what you use your systems for...for everyday use Alpha5 is in decent enough shape20:09
duffydackwell Ive only know the large file delete hang once, very early on in jaunty, and not seen it since.  He still sees it.. this is why I`ve made it ext3 on his20:09
billybigriggergood call :P20:09
billybigriggerthis is also a good read if your interested in upgrading to +120:10
billybigriggerhttp://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha520:10
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aboSamooranyone experiencing problems with firefox having flashy black banners ?20:14
duffydackbillybigrigger, seems its added it to grub during the install, nice. :P20:23
billybigrigger1duffydack, what did you install the kernel on? jaunty or karmic?20:26
billybigrigger1duffydack, reboot and give it a go20:26
duffydackbillybigrigger, jaunty, in a vm I have for testing..  apparmor [FAIL] during boot tho.20:27
billybigrigger1duffydack, what's the error?20:32
duffydackdont know if its important or not, I dont use it I dont think..  just a fail to start during boot20:36
aboSamoorI asked if anyone experiencing problems with firefox having flashy black banners ? ubuntu crashed so  I am asking again :)20:38
billybigrigger1can someone confirm a bug for me? you need to be able to share your desktop and vnc in20:48
BUGabundohey friends20:48
billybigrigger1howdy BUGabundo20:48
BUGabundohowdy meat lover20:48
billybigrigger1...20:49
billybigrigger1i don't know what to say to that haha20:49
billybigrigger1can anyone confirm, that useing any vnc viewer, than using mouse scroll or right click ends your vnc session?20:51
billybigrigger1i think this is a bug in vino-server20:51
billybigrigger1man my typing is bad today20:52
BauldrickI'm on karmic but cant get any 2.6.31 kernels to load, I'm stuck with 2.6.28 (and keep getting errors about it)21:08
gbs-wesGrrrrr21:10
billybigrigger1Bauldrick, what is your error?21:14
Bauldrickbillybigrigger1: something about system suffering a serious kernel error, but I'd like for the .31 to load - currently get black screen when trying any of those. Is that kernel modesetting?21:19
nostahlhey guys. how do you chmod into your installation from a live cd?21:21
billybigrigger1Bauldrick, possibly, what kind of gpu?21:21
billybigrigger1nostahl, you mean chroot, chmod is the command used to change a file or directories permissions21:22
billybigrigger1nostahl, what are you trying to fix?21:22
nostahlya21:22
nostahli got to mess with users21:23
nostahlto setup a new /home21:23
Bauldrickthis is a compaq laptop, radeon igp (?)21:24
Bauldrick4-021:24
nostahlis there an easy way to do this billybigrigger121:25
billybigrigger1Bauldrick, im not a radeon user, but im pretty sure intel kms is on by default21:25
billybigrigger1nostahl, well yes and no, it's easy to chroot, but also easy to screw things up21:25
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billybigrigger1nostahl, you can start with $ sudo fdisk -l to see what your partiton names are21:26
Bauldrickbillybigrigger1: do you just add nomodeset to kernel line somewhere (grub?)21:26
billybigrigger1you'll need to figure out what partitions are your /home and /21:26
nostahlhow do i mount a second hd as /home after i chroot into the f irst hd wich is /root21:27
billybigrigger1Bauldrick, i think that will work, im an nvidia user, so i have not much knowledge about kms21:27
billybigrigger1nostahl, man mount21:27
billybigrigger1Bauldrick, nomodeset=1 i believe21:28
Bauldrickthanks billybigrigger1, I'll give it a shot21:29
* billybigrigger1 waits for some other radeon kms users to pipe up21:29
Tim__Okay... I left Ubuntu on the KDE desktop on overnight21:29
Tim__Without shutting it down... or I may have put it in sleep mode21:29
Tim__When I turned it back on, the option to log in to the GNOME desktop environment was gone21:29
Tim__Plus I have no sound in either KDE or Xfce (and of course I can't access GNOME)21:29
Tim__My desktop selection thing says "KDE, Xfce Session, Xfce Session, xterm"21:30
Tim__Instead of "GNOME, KDE, Xfce Session, xterm"21:30
billybigrigger1can you run gnome-session from a terminal?21:31
Tim__How would I do that?21:31
billybigrigger1do you know what login manager you use? kdm gmd?21:32
billybigrigger1s/gmd/gdm21:32
billybigrigger1or xdm even21:32
Tim__I believe it's GMD21:32
billybigrigger1gdm ok21:32
Tim__gdm*21:32
billybigrigger1well pressing ctrl-alt-f1 will bring your to a console, there you can type sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart and see if gnome appears again21:33
Tim__Ok, I'll try it21:33
billybigrigger1if not, go back to your tty (ctrl-alt-f1) and type $ gnome-session21:33
Tim__Didn't work21:38
Tim__I typed in gnome-session and it said "WARNING: Can not open display" on the terminal21:38
buckyTim__, is it running already on ctl-alt F7 ?21:39
Tim__No21:39
buckyhmm...21:39
Tim__I can't get GNOME to appear at all21:39
Tim__Also I found out that the login and logout sounds work21:39
billybigrigger1Tim__, what happened when you restarted gdm?21:39
Tim__But no other sounds do...21:39
Tim__billybigrigger1, it said "Stopping GDM................................... Starting GDM.................................."21:40
Tim__Or something to that effect21:40
billybigrigger1and gnome wasn't an available session?21:40
Tim__But when I went back to the login screen & session manager, GNOME was not available21:40
Tim__billybigrigger1, nope21:40
Tim__It just gave me 4 options of KDE, Xfce session, Xfce session, and xterm21:40
billybigrigger1do what bucky said, try pressing ctrl-alt-f721:41
Tim__Doesn't work21:41
billybigrigger1that SHOULD take you back to your current session, try ctrl-alt-backspace to restart X21:41
buckyTim__, can you sudo shutdown -r now ?21:41
Tim__Didn't do anything either21:41
Tim__I'm on KDE21:41
billybigrigger1Tim__, and what happens when your reboot the machine?21:41
Tim__I get the Ubuntu loading screen21:42
Tim__And it goes to the session manager21:42
Tim__However instead of the normal clear Ubuntu logo at the top of the login box, I get a really fuzzy Kubuntu one21:42
billybigrigger1so it sounds like your using kdm instead of gdm21:42
Tim__I was using GDM21:42
Tim__I think21:42
billybigrigger1hehe21:43
BUGabundogrrrrr21:43
Tim__Because it had the Ubuntu logo at the top21:43
billybigrigger1drop back to tty and try $ sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart21:43
* BUGabundo draws the gun and points it to PA21:43
Tim__Ok21:43
Tim__I don't run KDM21:45
Tim__It said "KDM not found"21:45
Tim__I run GDM, I searched up screenies of it and sure enough that's what it is21:45
Tim__It has a thing where you click your username, then it brings up a password box21:46
ActionParsnipuse kdm, see if its friendlier21:46
Tim__And usually there's a pretty Ubuntu logo at the top, now it's a blurry KDM one21:46
Tim__Ok21:46
Tim__How do I use KDM?21:46
MTecknologyCan I use the 9.10 cd to install the system with lagacy grub?21:47
billybigrigger1MTecknology, you'd have to install 9.10 and then remove grub2, and install grub legacy21:48
Tim__Be right back21:48
MTecknologyalrighty21:48
MTecknologythanks21:48
billybigrigger1MTecknology, or install 9.04, and upgrade to 9.10, grub2 will not overwrite grub legacy on upgrades21:48
billybigrigger1but downgrading is alot easier on bandwidth :P21:49
billybigrigger1downgrading grub that is21:49
Bauldricknomodeset doesn't work to get system up on 2.6.31 either, just hangs with black screen and flashing "cursor" top left21:49
MTecknologyI'd prefer that - I don't have a 9.04 cd21:49
ActionParsnipmake sure you all install sl, its awesome21:49
Michalxoany advisor here around? I have a problem with multimedia key (one key)21:51
Michalxowhen running xev, I can see button codes... all other buttons work just fine21:52
buckyis that like the teh package?21:52
Tim__Still not working21:52
Tim__How do I switch to KDM from GDM?21:52
ActionParsnipMichalxo: then you can map the code to an event21:52
ActionParsnipTim__: sudo apt-get --reinstall install kdm21:52
buckyTim__, what kind of video card do you have21:52
mikmTim__: iirc if you do sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm21:52
ActionParsnipTim__: then when the config appears, select kdm21:52
MichalxoActionParsnip, how to map? some tutorial would be enough :)21:52
ActionParsnip!keyboard21:53
ubottuTo switch your keyboard layout on GNOME: System -> Preferences -> Keyboard (GNOME) - KDE: K -> System Settings -> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout (KDE) - Xfce: see https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts21:53
ActionParsnip!shortcuts21:53
ubottuKeyboard shortcuts can be set in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at http://keytouch.sourceforge.net - See !Keyboard for changing layouts21:53
MichalxoActionParsnip, *I can see all codes, apart from that particular key, sorry wrote it worng21:53
Michalxoalthough thanks ActionParsnip :)21:54
Michalxobtw another question.. how to show "synaptic's"(?) updates available icon on panel like it was on previous ubu releases?21:55
ActionParsnipMichalxo: in the keyboard shortcuts section you can set the key as you wish21:55
MichalxoI know that, but when I hit that one key, I get no keycode at all21:56
ActionParsnipMichalxo: then you have a lot more to do to get it working21:57
Michalxocan be some sort of a bug in kernel? (or what part takes care of keyb "drivers"?)21:57
ActionParsnipMichalxo: you can add the notification to the panel21:57
ActionParsnipMichalxo: you may need to define something in xorg.conf. have a websearch for your keyboard make and model online21:58
Michalxothanks21:59
ActionParsnipjust found a fix for the --no-floppy bug :D22:15
Michalxo":)22:17
guntbertMichalxo: as for the "update-notifier-icon": gconf-editor - apps/update-notifier : autolaunch=FALSE22:17
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Michalxohm.. should I fill a bug? that setkeycodes e014 X is not working for me :-/22:41
BUGabundostupid pulseaudio22:43
BUGabundo:(22:43
hacknslashhola22:56
cwillupoke poke23:03
BUGabundodude23:04
BUGabundomiss your pokings23:04
cwillupoke poek poke23:04
BUGabundohow's life treating you ?23:04
cwillu:p23:04
BUGabundostill on the road a lot ?23:04
cwillunot much right now, quite busy though23:04
cwilluthe boss finally understands what it is I do exactly :)23:04
cwilluas such, I now have a bunch of new work that matches my job description :)23:05
cwilluand as an added bonus, I get to send other people out on the road with my equipment, rather than the other way around23:06
cwilluI'm hoping to be able to get back to the bug triage in a couple weeks though23:07
BUGabundo:)23:08
BUGabundoso what do you do now ?23:08
cwilluprogramming and soldering23:08
cwilluhad a 5 day weekend, and my first day back ended up working 18 hours :)23:09
cwilluhow's your job going?23:10
BUGabundotiresome23:11
cwillugood tiresome, or mere tired tiresome?23:11
BUGabundogonna get even more hand probs from using the mouse so much23:11
BUGabundoto keep making reports on failed backups on stupid DataProtector :(23:12
cwillutip:  don't move your wrist or your arm.  Turn up the sensitivity, and just use your fingertips23:12
BUGabundothe *worse* kind23:12
cwillus/dataprotector/cygwin+rsync/?23:13
BUGabundoeheh23:15
BUGabundothere's also DP for linux23:15
BUGabundobut we use wind. :(23:15
cwillursync is available for windows23:15
cwillutransparency and simplicity are good values in a backup system23:16
BUGabundotrue23:16
cwilluyou should know what its doing so well that you could (and can) do exactly what your backup system does23:17
BUGabundo:S23:19
cwilluI'm tempted to write "The Joel Test: 12 Steps to Better Code" for systems administration23:20
cwillu(http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000043.html)23:20
cwillu(1) do you have backups? (2) do you have change management? (3) do you write documentation before implementing new systems?  (4) do you have a bug/issue database? (5)...23:21
cwilluanyways, going to bed now :p23:25
cwilluthinking I might hook up irc at work though :p23:26
arandHmm, that thing about fixing all known bugs before doing new code...23:28
billybigriggerarand, i kind of chuckled on that part23:29
BUGabundocwillu: that's not up to me. im just 3rd line monkey slave23:30
cwillu:)23:31
cbmuserhi, I have noticed that there are no icons for top level items in the applications menu since the last update23:40
cbmuseranyone knows what might triggered that?23:40
drs305I don't, but it is a known issue.23:40
arandGnome interface change.23:41
billybigrigger1cbmuser, you can you your icons back by going to System>Preferences>Appearance then clicking on the Interface tab and checking "show all menu icons"23:42
arandinfo: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557469 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgnome/+bug/40762123:42
ubottuGnome bug 557469 in general "set menus_have_icons=false by default" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]23:43
arandI'm guessing this will be update notifications all over again :D23:45
drs305gconftool-2 --set --type=bool /desktop/gnome/interface/menus_have_icons  true23:47
drs305If you want them back right away   ;-)23:48
cbmuserbillybigrigger1: Thanks !23:48
billybigrigger1cbmuser, no prob23:48
cbmusermaybe I turned it off accidentally :)23:48
billybigrigger1cbmuser, nope, its a gnome default now23:49
cbmuserargh23:49
cbmuserit looks ugly23:49
aranddrs305: But I do think we should preach the UI version..23:49
cbmuserbecause the space for the icons is still there23:49
cbmuserit doesn't save any space23:49
billybigrigger1cbmuser, quicker loading of menus, "they" claim haha23:49
drs305arand: I was just looking to see if it was in gconf, and of course it was...23:50
cbmuserpfft23:50
billybigrigger1well they should disable ALL icons, not just some23:50
cbmuserI don't see any increase in speed23:50
billybigrigger1drs305, howdy, how goes it23:50
drs305Well billybigrigger1  - made a few grub2 entries the last couple of days.23:50
drs305Hidden menu explanations mostly,23:51
billybigrigger1seen that23:52
drs305That's right, you are on the mailing list for that page aren't you.23:53
dtohi folks23:53
arandI think it was mostly a design decision, they think the icons look ugly and cluttered, and hence removed them (which now makes things even more ugly, and on to of that, less usable) But hey, we're not developers, so what do we know about usability?23:53
drs305gconftool-2 --set --type=bool /desktop/gnome/interface/menus_have_icons  false23:54
drs305hehe  forwarded from the devs23:54
arandThat came out a bit more resentful than meant... but yea...23:55
robert__how do i get firefox to work?23:56
dtorobert__: what goes wrong exactly?23:57
dtocan you be more specific23:57
robert__it won't connect to the internet, it says offline23:57
dtowell, first check your internet connection. what does the network-manager-applet-icon-thing in the panel say?23:58
komputesIs anyone here testing Gnome 3?23:58
dtokomputes: i tried the Gnome Shell the other day23:59
dtokomputes: which is one of the more visible changes planned for 3.0 iirc23:59

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