| ion | keybuk: Huh. mountall seems to say that / is mounted and that FHS is mounted and let rc-sysinit begin, even though / is still mounted readonly. Then mountall seems to receive an udev event about the / partition appearing, and proceed to fsck / while rc is trying to get the system started (with everything screaming about not being able to write to /). | 00:04 |
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| Keybuk | that's odd | 00:05 |
| Keybuk | I don't think it does that here | 00:05 |
| ion | keybuk: If fsck makes changes to the / partition, i manage to login via getty and then the system reboots suddenly. | 00:06 |
| Keybuk | I'll investigate | 00:06 |
| Keybuk | do you have the debug log? | 00:06 |
| ion | I wonder what's the best way to get one? mount a tmpfs at /mnt before mountall in mountall.conf and redirect the output to a file in there? | 00:08 |
| Keybuk | oh | 00:10 |
| Keybuk | I see | 00:10 |
| Keybuk | it triggers FHS too early | 00:10 |
| Keybuk | and it looks like it doesn't clear the needs remount flag either | 00:10 |
| Keybuk | will fix tomorrow | 00:10 |
| Keybuk | oh | 00:11 |
| Keybuk | I've fixed this already | 00:11 |
| Keybuk | I just hadn't applied the patch | 00:11 |
| ion | :-) | 00:12 |
| NCommander | pitti, you around? | 00:36 |
| TheMuso | NCommander: Likely in bed. | 00:37 |
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| arand | I'm using quilt to add a patch to a package (for SRU), but I notice that an older patch has a one-line offset when applying it, should it be refreshed or should I just leave it alone? | 01:32 |
| slangasek | arand: for SRU, I don't think it's worth bothering with | 01:34 |
| arand | slangasek: aknowledged. | 01:34 |
| ArneGoetje | YokoZar: no need to worry | 01:46 |
| johanbr | dtchen, that "15 sec latency" bug I was talking about... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=521276 | 01:50 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 521276 in gstreamer-plugins-good "Something about jitter buffer makes VoIP over GStreamer useless (delay around 15 sec)" [High,New] | 01:50 |
| johanbr | it's fixed by a gstreamer patch in git: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/gstreamer/gst-plugins-base/commit/?id=058776bcf1ab218b509d19685a0b528d71c65f98 | 01:50 |
| dtchen | johanbr: yep, i saw it earlier, but i'm not in a position to do much about it presently | 01:51 |
| johanbr | alright | 01:51 |
| johanbr | patching and rebuilding the current karmic package makes everything work as expected | 01:51 |
| johanbr | would an lp bug be useful? | 01:52 |
| dtchen | johanbr: absolutely | 01:52 |
| johanbr | alright, just a few minutes | 01:52 |
| ion | keybuk: Still around? | 02:02 |
| jumpingjack | hello! anybody here? i need some advices :) | 04:01 |
| hyperair | !ask | jumpingjack | 04:01 |
| ubottu | jumpingjack: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) | 04:02 |
| jumpingjack | Is there way in ubuntu to get the text under mouse cursor everywhere on the desktop? What language or framework i should use? I'm new in linux, so i need a help with starting.. | 04:07 |
| jumpingjack | i don't need a solution, i need a way to start from | 04:08 |
| pitti | Good morning | 06:44 |
| pitti | Keybuk: well, I left my comment in the bug; that was a bit too trigger-happy IMHO | 06:45 |
| pitti | NCommander: hi | 06:45 |
| NCommander | pitti, I got a question on calibre, you moved a bug onto python-qt4 which is RC, but pyqt doesn't promise a stable ABI,so calibre needs a binNMU to get going again | 06:46 |
| NCommander | (I think, I have yet to test that theory) | 06:46 |
| pitti | NCommander: but a followup upload was said to not fix it.. | 06:47 |
| pitti | well, I could never reproduce it myself anyway | 06:47 |
| NCommander | pitti, I want to move the bug back to calibre, its currently blocking pyqt4 into testing (which in turn has KDE blocked). It doesn't seem toi be a pyqt4 issue specifically | 06:49 |
| NCommander | (kdebindings is chugging along just fine) | 06:49 |
| pitti | well *shrug* sure | 06:50 |
| dholbach | good morning | 06:58 |
| didrocks | morning o/ | 07:04 |
| dholbach | heya didrocks, hi amitk | 07:04 |
| didrocks | hey dholbach :) | 07:05 |
| amitk | morning dholbach | 07:10 |
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| apachelogger | asac: so... firefox installer is in main and on the latest cd images, time to resolve the remaining issues ;) ... I didn't find a firefox icon in the app-install data (+ I think Kubuntu doesn't have the data installed currently), so I suppse the only options we have is getting TB approval or detach the icon from the branding package (i.e. create a seperate package for the icon) | 08:52 |
| apachelogger | shtylman is going to come up with a kubuntu-installer-style packag ethat can be shared among ubiquity and k-f-i, so we can free additional CD space :) | 08:55 |
| dholbach | pitti, seb128: what do you think about bug 407817? | 09:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 407817 in gnome-icon-theme "gnome-icon-theme does not allow alternative start-here icons" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407817 | 09:04 |
| dholbach | bdrung_ worked hard on it | 09:04 |
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| === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach | ||
| dholbach | sorry, fell out of the internet | 09:06 |
| dholbach | pitti, seb128: what do you think about bug 407817? | 09:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 407817 in gnome-icon-theme "gnome-icon-theme does not allow alternative start-here icons" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407817 | 09:06 |
| dholbach | bdrung_ worked hard on it | 09:06 |
| seb128 | dholbach, I don't like alternative much and I don't think a distro specific hack is the way to go there | 09:08 |
| seb128 | dholbach, I think the logo icon to use should rather be a gconf key | 09:09 |
| dholbach | bdrung_: ^ what do you think? | 09:10 |
| bdrung_ | seb128: what do you mean with "distro specific hack"? | 09:10 |
| seb128 | what are you trying to do? allow customization of the gnome-panel menu icon? | 09:11 |
| bdrung_ | gconf would be a solution, too. | 09:11 |
| seb128 | gconf would work on any distro | 09:11 |
| bdrung_ | seb128: yes | 09:11 |
| seb128 | and not rely on alternatives which is a debian,ubuntu thing | 09:11 |
| seb128 | it would also allow users to change the icon | 09:12 |
| seb128 | rather than having a system setting you can't change | 09:12 |
| bdrung_ | that's a good point | 09:12 |
| bdrung_ | when we have a gconf key for that, you can drop my changes | 09:15 |
| mr_pouit | seb128: Bug #253416 << maybe gnome-panel checks before displaying the issue, but it still installs a desktop file | 09:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 253416 in ubuntu "[Xubuntu] yelp can not find ghelp:about-ubuntu" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253416 | 09:21 |
| mr_pouit | so another menu system will display it… | 09:21 |
| seb128 | I'm too busy today to start a discussion about that | 09:22 |
| mr_pouit | of course (!) | 09:22 |
| mr_pouit | I don't think adding something like NotShowIn=XFCE; (or similar) needs a big discussion | 09:22 |
| mr_pouit | (instead of reaffecting the bug to something else) | 09:23 |
| seb128 | the entry has nothing to do there in fact I think | 09:24 |
| seb128 | it should rather be moved in the documentation | 09:24 |
| seb128 | and gnome-panel should be patched to display it if available | 09:24 |
| ogra | kirkland, using -s in the debhelper invokations might help | 09:27 |
| kirkland | ogra: i'll try that | 09:36 |
| kirkland | ogra: which ones? | 09:36 |
| ogra | kirkland, all under the binary-static target i think+ | 09:52 |
| ogra | s/+// | 09:52 |
| kirkland | ogra: hmm, that didn't work | 09:56 |
| kirkland | dpkg-gencontrol: error: current host architecture 'amd64' does not appear in package's architecture list (i386) | 09:56 |
| kirkland | + | 09:56 |
| ogra | kirkland, well, just add amd64 to Architecture then | 09:56 |
| ogra | though -s should work as i understand it | 09:56 |
| ogra | "It understands that if the control file lists "Architecture: i386" for the package, the package should not be acted on on other architectures. " from the manpage | 09:57 |
| kirkland | ogra: hrm | 09:57 |
| ogra | just add amd64 to Architecture: ... will just get me some more bugs for the binary i guess | 09:58 |
| ogra | there is no reason it shouldnt build, i just think the syscall translation layer doesnt work so well on amd64 | 09:59 |
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| ogra | doko, hey ! | 10:12 |
| ogra | doko, "debian/*.shlibs: Update to the version from the branch." ... could that solve my ld-linux3-dev issues with the d-shlibs override ? | 10:13 |
| ogra | (from your binutils upload | 10:13 |
| ogra | ) | 10:13 |
| doko | ogra: no, I don't think so | 10:14 |
| ogra | meh, ok | 10:14 |
| * ogra had hopes :) | 10:14 | |
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| pitti | tseliot: do you happen to have some time to test the intrepid-proposed nvidia-common in bug 303825? | 10:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 303825 in nvidia-common "linux-image-2.6.27-9-generic failed to install/upgrade : run-parts: /etc/kernel/postinst.d/nvidia-common exited with return code 10" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/303825 | 10:28 |
| tseliot | pitti: sure | 10:30 |
| YokoZar | doko: just a poke about the python2.6 stuff I filed/subscribed you to earlier (the FTBFS is blocking me from updating ia32-libs which in turn is FTBFSing Wine ;) ) | 10:33 |
| dholbach | YokoZar: doko is on vacation or at least travelling right now | 10:35 |
| pitti | doko: I tried building python2.6 locally and in my PPA, and it failed three times with three different errors :-( (https://edge.launchpad.net/~pitti/+archive/ppa/+build/1207804 and https://edge.launchpad.net/~pitti/+archive/ppa/+build/1207804) | 10:35 |
| YokoZar | ahh ok | 10:35 |
| pitti | well, he did a binutils upload this morning :) | 10:35 |
| dholbach | ok | 10:35 |
| dholbach | I'm sure it's not the first time for doko to do that while on vacation ;-) | 10:36 |
| doko | dholbach: I'm back | 10:36 |
| pitti | doko: ah, hey! had a nice vacation? | 10:37 |
| doko | pitti: yes, thanks! | 10:37 |
| pitti | doko: beach and cocktail? Or the hiking/bike style? :-) | 10:37 |
| doko | pitti: there's a promotion request pending for readline6 binaries ... | 10:37 |
| pitti | doko: well, if we want to start the readline6 transition now, ok; but python2.6 still doesn't build | 10:38 |
| doko | pitti: no, just running and beach | 10:38 |
| pitti | nice | 10:38 |
| doko | pitti: it's not a transition, there are two development packages, and the readline6 source already is in main, because of readline-common | 10:38 |
| pitti | readline6 | 6.0-2ubuntu2 | karmic/universe | source | 10:39 |
| doko | pitti: which is wrong, because readline-common is in main | 10:39 |
| pitti | ah, bug 421035 is incomplete | 10:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 421035 in readline6 "sync & promotion request (unstable -> main)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/421035 | 10:39 |
| * pitti promotes source | 10:40 | |
| doko | ahh, this was asked while I was away ... | 10:40 |
| pitti | ok, rest of binaries promoted | 10:40 |
| pitti | bug updated | 10:41 |
| doko | hmm, strange, no diffs anymore in the ui to the previous version | 10:41 |
| pitti | seb128: retracer> *nnng* bad gateway; WTH is up with LP today? | 10:42 |
| * pitti restarts retracers again | 10:42 | |
| seb128 | pitti, edge timeout | 10:43 |
| pitti | seb128: but apport isn't on beta-testers | 10:43 |
| seb128 | my versions script fails on similar errors | 10:43 |
| arand | I'm poking in an SRU for glib2.0, noticing that in kk patch 61_* is added, however a 61_* patch already exists in intrepid version, should I simply use 62_* for intreipid alone or should it be changed throughout? | 10:43 |
| doko | pitti: about the build failure: I'll see on which archs the buld fails with -fprofile-use, and then disable it on these archs | 10:44 |
| arand | i.e. the 61_* patch in intrepid are a completely different patch, with the same number prefix. | 10:44 |
| pitti | doko: ok, thanks; at least it shouldn't be on depwait any more in 1 hours 15 mins | 10:44 |
| seb128 | arand, the number are just for ordering | 10:47 |
| seb128 | arand, you can use any number you want | 10:47 |
| arand | seb128: even though the same patch are going to be added in all releases, consistency in naming may be ignored? | 10:48 |
| seb128 | arand, we don't care | 10:49 |
| seb128 | the patch just need to be applied in a way which works | 10:49 |
| seb128 | the naming, ordering, etc is a detail | 10:49 |
| spaetz | r-base is broken in Ubuntu karmic for all. Doh, could somebody apply the correct fix as described in | 10:59 |
| spaetz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/r-base/+bug/426360 | 10:59 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 426360 in r-base "[PATCH] r-base suppresses ALL error messages forever" [Undecided,New] | 10:59 |
| spaetz | ? It would be embarassing if that goes into karmic gold | 10:59 |
| pitti | I subscribed the sponsoring team | 11:03 |
| james_w | spaetz: if you subscribe "ubuntu-universe-sponsors" to bugs like this then they will get reviewed and uploaded when approved | 11:03 |
| cjwatson | I've also subscribed Dirk Eddelbuettel, who's the Debian R maintainer but who was also responsible for this Ubuntu-specific change; he doesn't seem to be subscribed to all Ubuntu r-base bugs | 11:06 |
| doko | cjwatson: do we plan to include dpkg 1.15.4 in karmic? | 11:08 |
| cjwatson | possibly | 11:09 |
| cjwatson | I haven't looked over it in detail yet but it's not out of the question | 11:10 |
| cjwatson | doko: what do you need it for? the install-info transition? | 11:17 |
| doko | cjwatson: yes, that would be convenient | 11:20 |
| cjwatson | I'm not going to say yes straight away because the changelog is massive, but I'll look at it | 11:21 |
| dholbach | did we ever come to an agreement if we want merge proposal for ~ubuntu-dev stuff on ubuntu-devel@? | 11:39 |
| dholbach | if we don't want that stuff, I'll just reject those mails now | 11:39 |
| dholbach | is there a way for us to turn that off? | 11:39 |
| james_w | dholbach: well, they were explicitly turned on, so they can be turned off again | 11:45 |
| pitti | james_w: bug 414298 ack'ed | 11:50 |
| james_w | thanks pitti | 11:50 |
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| EricInBNE | if I want to contribute to a package in 9.10, where can I go to download the dev packages? | 11:52 |
| EricInBNE | *new ubuntu users | 11:52 |
| ScottK | EricInBNE: We aren't accepting new packages for 9.10 anymore. We are concentrating on getting bugs fixed and things working. | 11:55 |
| ScottK | !development | EricInBNE | 11:55 |
| dholbach | james_w: hm? | 11:55 |
| EricInBNE | ScottK, its for bugfixing an existing package | 11:55 |
| ScottK | EricInBNE: Excellent. | 11:55 |
| ScottK | EricInBNE: What package? | 11:56 |
| EricInBNE | ScottK, recently changed from fedora to ubuntu. | 11:56 |
| james_w | dholbach: there was a change made in the Ubuntu teams on LP last year such that code review emails would go to ubuntu-devel@ | 11:56 |
| ubottu | EricInBNE: Interested in becoming an Ubuntu Developer? Get started here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | 11:56 |
| james_w | dholbach: that change could be undone if desired, but it was an explicit decision to send them there | 11:56 |
| ScottK | EricInBNE: Welcome. | 11:56 |
| EricInBNE | ScottK, looking to contribute to the Android execution environment. | 11:56 |
| dholbach | james_w: ok... do you know if that was documented somewhere? | 11:57 |
| ScottK | I see. | 11:57 |
| james_w | not offhand | 11:57 |
| ScottK | dholbach: Do you have suggestions for what channel EricInBNE should be asking about contributing in? | 11:57 |
| * ScottK needs to run off for a few hours. | 11:57 | |
| EricInBNE | ScottK, is that in .10? I couldnt find it. mjfrey mentioned he is looking for a few replacement pkgs on his weblog | 11:57 |
| ScottK | EricInBNE: I'm not sure. | 11:58 |
| ScottK | I suspect #ubuntu-mobile would be the place to ask, but I'm not certain. | 11:59 |
| dholbach | yep, that's what I'd say to | 12:01 |
| dholbach | too | 12:01 |
| EricInBNE | is launchpad the analog to rawhide? or is there another code repo | 12:02 |
| dholbach | check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | 12:02 |
| pitti | EricInBNE: karmic (the current Ubuntu development version) is the pendant to Fedora rawhide | 12:02 |
| asac | cjwatson: superblock having offset of my timezone a known issue? | 12:02 |
| dholbach | it should explain a lot about how the archive works | 12:02 |
| cjwatson | asac: bug 423247 | 12:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 423247 in clock-setup "Superblock last mount times cause fsck to fail" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/423247 | 12:03 |
| cjwatson | (probably) | 12:03 |
| asac | ok cool | 12:04 |
| asac | will check if update makes this go away | 12:04 |
| liw | death to timezones! utc everywhere! | 12:04 |
| asac | i guess there is no way to not run fsck now? | 12:04 |
| asac | ;) | 12:04 |
| cjwatson | asac: update? it was an installer bug | 12:05 |
| asac | cjwatson: i get this on a regular install | 12:05 |
| cjwatson | so upgrading will make no difference | 12:05 |
| asac | cjwatson: second time now | 12:05 |
| asac | its an old install | 12:05 |
| cjwatson | install of what? | 12:05 |
| cjwatson | oh, not my problem then :) | 12:05 |
| asac | ubuntu? | 12:05 |
| cjwatson | I mean what vintage | 12:05 |
| asac | hmm | 12:06 |
| asac | feels too similar to be not the same ;) | 12:06 |
| cjwatson | there are lots of similar issues | 12:06 |
| cjwatson | if it's an old install, could you talk with Keybuk? | 12:07 |
| asac | Keybuk: ^^ ... on reboot i have to run fsck, because superblock has my timezone offset | 12:07 |
| cjwatson | of course it could be that the old installation broke your hardware clock | 12:08 |
| cjwatson | date; hwclock --debug --show | 12:08 |
| seb128 | I got that several times too recently | 12:08 |
| cjwatson | cat /etc/default/rcS | 12:08 |
| cjwatson | well, grep ^UTC= /etc/default/rcS | 12:08 |
| asac | fsck is running ... will run that afterwards | 12:09 |
| cjwatson | basically, one possible cause is that the hardware clock has been rendered wrong at some point in the past, and it's only fixed up by NTP once the network comes up | 12:10 |
| seb128 | I got the issue several times on karmic | 12:11 |
| asac | cjwatson: hmm. you say the hardware clock was always wrong? or you think just intermediately during karmic? | 12:11 |
| seb128 | ie it's not only a one time problem due to old values | 12:11 |
| asac | otherwise we need to do something because loads of users will end up with fsck ;) | 12:12 |
| asac | seb128: i got it the second time now. feels like on every reboot where i did an dist-upgrade in between | 12:12 |
| cjwatson | if that's the case, the way to fix your computer is to fix the hardware clock: if /etc/default/rcS says UTC=yes, then it should be the time in UTC; if it says UTC=no, it should be the current local time | 12:12 |
| cjwatson | seb128: I only fixed the installer bug after alpha 5, a few days ago | 12:12 |
| cjwatson | asac: I think the installer bug has been around for ages and ages | 12:12 |
| hyperair | am i right in assuming this only happens if your system clock is in local time? | 12:13 |
| cjwatson | hyperair: you mean hardware clock; and I don't think you're right | 12:13 |
| asac | cjwatson: so ok. lets assume i had that installer bug. now its broken. the solution cant be to say: "fix your hardware clock" thats good for me, but not for users | 12:13 |
| hyperair | hmm | 12:13 |
| seb128 | well, shouldn't we do something so user upgrading don't get that confusing login to manually run fsck on reboot? | 12:13 |
| cjwatson | yes, feel free to suggest something that actually works :-) | 12:13 |
| asac | i need to understand why it suddely started to break now | 12:13 |
| cjwatson | I agree it's a problem but have no bright ideas | 12:13 |
| cjwatson | asac: because Scott took out a workaround | 12:14 |
| seb128 | same as asac | 12:14 |
| asac | it always worked till recently | 12:14 |
| seb128 | can't we keep the workaround? | 12:14 |
| asac | so something must have changed. and thats where we probably need to fix it | 12:14 |
| cjwatson | it introduced other problems ... | 12:14 |
| seb128 | if we don't have better ideas ... | 12:14 |
| hyperair | what was the workaround? | 12:14 |
| asac | we need to understand both impacts. fsck on every second reboot is worst you can get | 12:14 |
| asac | its close to complete system breakage | 12:14 |
| cjwatson | I don't know the details, and cannot participate further in this discussion without them | 12:15 |
| asac | hehe | 12:15 |
| asac | thats ok ;) | 12:15 |
| asac | lets wait | 12:15 |
| asac | fsck run takes about 1h anyway ;) | 12:16 |
| directhex | oh, hurrah, requestsync now correctly doesn't allow me to sponsor my own main requests | 12:17 |
| geser | ? | 12:20 |
| * maxb has also seen that timezone-fsck issue twice on rebooting an existing system | 12:21 | |
| ion | keybuk: Around? | 12:21 |
| seb128 | and it's not like it was a fsck normal run in usplasg | 12:22 |
| seb128 | it's a command line prompt which invite you to run commands | 12:22 |
| cjwatson | yes, I *know*& | 12:22 |
| seb128 | ie it's broken enough that most normal users will declare the system screwed and reinstall | 12:22 |
| cjwatson | yes, I *know* | 12:22 |
| cjwatson | you can stop explaining how important it is now. :-) | 12:22 |
| geser | directhex: is this a bug or not? I'm not sure from your statement | 12:22 |
| seb128 | ok, let's wait for Keybuk to comment then | 12:22 |
| directhex | geser, it's an unbug | 12:23 |
| seb128 | well, I have the impression that you argue that we traded an issue for an another one | 12:23 |
| directhex | geser, i was able to run requestsync for ages to sync packages in main, and didn't need a sponsor as i'm a motu | 12:23 |
| seb128 | but apparently that was a false impression ;-) | 12:23 |
| seb128 | as long as it's on the karmic list I'm fine with it | 12:23 |
| cjwatson | seb128: no, I'm arguing that "just put the workaround back" probably isn't the right answer, and we should actually think about it instead ;-) | 12:23 |
| seb128 | let's people who understand what's going on work on it | 12:23 |
| * seb128 goes back to desktop land ;-) | 12:24 | |
| Keybuk | seb128: do I have to comment? | 12:25 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, no | 12:25 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, I trust you to do whatever is required to sort that for karmic ;-) | 12:25 |
| asac | Keybuk: i would appreciate if you could explain whats the problem ;) | 12:25 |
| seb128 | better to spend your time working on the bug rather than explaining it again on IRC | 12:25 |
| Keybuk | which bug? | 12:26 |
| asac | Keybuk: superblock has UTC offset for me on reboot ... requiring fsck | 12:26 |
| asac | its an old install | 12:26 |
| seb128 | same here | 12:26 |
| Keybuk | asac: every time, or just after this one reboot? | 12:26 |
| seb128 | it doesn't happen every time though | 12:26 |
| asac | Keybuk: its the second time in a row now | 12:26 |
| davmor2 | Keybuk: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/423247 I'm assuming | 12:26 |
| seb128 | I didn't notice what trigger it yet | 12:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 423247 in clock-setup "Superblock last mount times cause fsck to fail" [High,Fix released] | 12:26 |
| seb128 | I had the issue several times | 12:27 |
| Keybuk | when it next happens, stop at the fsck error | 12:27 |
| Keybuk | and grab me | 12:27 |
| seb128 | some of those have been forced reboot after a broken suspend resume | 12:27 |
| Keybuk | you'll need to run "grep ^UTC /etc/default/rcS", "date" and "hwclock --debug --show" | 12:27 |
| asac | Keybuk: ok. this reboot was forced reboot too | 12:28 |
| seb128 | ie, resume, computer hangs, press the power button several second, turn computer on again, get the issue | 12:28 |
| asac | so maybe it only happens then | 12:28 |
| asac | yea | 12:28 |
| asac | i will try to reproduce once current fsck finishes | 12:28 |
| Keybuk | seb128: likewise if you can reproduce, stop at the moment things are inconsistent | 12:28 |
| seb128 | ok | 12:29 |
| ion | keybuk: I added another patch, that one removes /forcefsck in a root_hook. http://heh.fi/patches/mountall/ | 12:29 |
| Keybuk | ion: could you mail these to me, I don't keep track of IRC logs ;) | 12:30 |
| ion | keybuk: The URL has the patches. Is that okay? | 12:30 |
| Keybuk | ion: sure, but mail it to me ;) | 12:30 |
| ion | Will do | 12:31 |
| Keybuk | asac, seb128: the only clock bug that I am aware of was that the first/second reboot after installing, you'd hit the fsck error | 12:31 |
| Keybuk | once you've passed it, it's fixed and there are no issues | 12:31 |
| Keybuk | if you're hitting the fsck error on an installed system, you have an entirely different but that I am not familiar with | 12:31 |
| seb128 | ok, I've an entirely different bug then | 12:32 |
| seb128 | I got it several times in karmic | 12:33 |
| Keybuk | it's possible that you two have entirely different bugs | 12:33 |
| asac | Keybuk: colin said the clock-setup bug was around for long time in installer. you know what caused this show up now in karmic? | 12:33 |
| seb128 | and I'm pretty sure each time after broken resume and forced power aoff and on cycles | 12:33 |
| Keybuk | "fsck has time inconsistency" is a bit like "human has a runny nose" | 12:33 |
| Keybuk | asac might have a cold, where you might have swine flu, etc. | 12:33 |
| Keybuk | asac: yes, I know why clock issues are showing up in karmic suddenly | 12:33 |
| asac | my superblock time is exactly offset by my timezone | 12:33 |
| seb128 | same here | 12:34 |
| Keybuk | asac, seb128: in which direction? negative timezone or double timezone? | 12:35 |
| asac | fsck says: "time == UTC", but superblock == "my timezone time" | 12:35 |
| Keybuk | asac: don't suppose you can pastebin me the contents of your /etc/adjtime file? | 12:36 |
| asac | fsck is currently running. i will get you that right after | 12:36 |
| Keybuk | ok | 12:36 |
| Keybuk | seb128: what way is the timezone math for you? | 12:36 |
| seb128 | I don't remember, I had the issue several days ago | 12:36 |
| seb128 | $ grep ^UTC /etc/default/rcS | 12:36 |
| seb128 | UTC=no | 12:36 |
| seb128 | if that matters | 12:36 |
| seb128 | I will try to power down the laptop later but not now ;-) | 12:37 |
| Keybuk | seb128: your /etc/adjtime file would be helpful | 12:37 |
| Keybuk | see that's interesting | 12:37 |
| seb128 | $ cat /etc/adjtime | 12:37 |
| seb128 | 0.193938 1252449040 0.000000 | 12:37 |
| seb128 | 1252449040 | 12:37 |
| seb128 | LOCAL | 12:37 |
| Keybuk | the fact that you have UTC=no means that you can't possibly have the same bug as asac | 12:37 |
| asac | Keybuk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/267881/ | 12:41 |
| asac | no adjtime at all | 12:42 |
| seb128 | re | 12:42 |
| seb128 | ok, that broke again | 12:42 |
| seb128 | I get it every time I shut down the laptop not properly | 12:42 |
| seb128 | I'm on my netbook now | 12:42 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: what info do you need? | 12:43 |
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|postal-o | ||
| seb128 | now =13: | 12:43 |
| seb128 | superblock = 15:... | 12:43 |
| seb128 | 13:40:20 is now | 12:43 |
| asac | Keybuk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/267883/ ... thats --show --debug | 12:43 |
| seb128 | no rcS UTC=no | 12:44 |
| seb128 | date says 13:45:02 | 12:44 |
| seb128 | hwclock says the same | 12:45 |
| asac | let me try to reproduce now .... /me hits powerbutton | 12:45 |
| seb128 | oh | 12:46 |
| seb128 | hwclock --debug --utc | 12:46 |
| seb128 | Time read from clock ... 13:46 | 12:46 |
| seb128 | Wed Sep 9 15:46 | 12:46 |
| asac | Keybuk: so i was wrong. time == "timezone time" ... superblock time == "timezone time + my timezone offset" ... so yeah double timezone offset | 12:47 |
| seb128 | so hwclock is acting as if UTC=yes was used | 12:47 |
| * asac should better know what time it is ;) | 12:47 | |
| Keybuk | seb128: sorry rewind | 12:47 |
| asac | i am now in the "do fsck state" | 12:47 |
| ion | keybuk: Whoops, i hadn’t re-exported the patches. The URL contains patches that actually work now. :-P | 12:47 |
| seb128 | me too | 12:47 |
| Keybuk | seb128: what is the exact fsck output at the point it fails? | 12:47 |
| Keybuk | asac: likewise, what is the exact fsck output right now? | 12:48 |
| ion | keybuk: At least rm-forcefsck was broken. | 12:48 |
| seb128 | ups | 12:48 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: "/dev/sda6: Superblock last write time (Wed Sept 9 15:40:20 2009 | 12:49 |
| seb128 | now = ... 13:.... | 12:49 |
| Keybuk | seb128: please, I do need the whole thing | 12:49 |
| seb128 | UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY | 12:49 |
| Keybuk | don't abbreviate it | 12:49 |
| Keybuk | the times are quite important | 12:49 |
| seb128 | 15:40:20 | 12:49 |
| seb128 | 13:40:30 | 12:49 |
| Keybuk | ok, so your superblock was last written at 15:40:20 | 12:49 |
| Keybuk | and your "time now" is 13:40 | 12:50 |
| Keybuk | your time now looks correct to me | 12:50 |
| seb128 | yes it is | 12:50 |
| directhex | hm. what's the quick way to check why a package was promoted to main? | 12:50 |
| seb128 | the 15: is two hours in the futur | 12:50 |
| Keybuk | it's 11:50 UTC, 13:50 CET | 12:50 |
| seb128 | directhex: which one? | 12:50 |
| Keybuk | seb128: you have UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS ? | 12:50 |
| seb128 | I've UTC=no | 12:50 |
| seb128 | yes | 12:50 |
| directhex | seb128, libgluezilla | 12:50 |
| Keybuk | seb128: your /etc/adjtime file has LOCAL in it? | 12:50 |
| seb128 | directhex: dunno, look for bugs | 12:50 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: yes | 12:51 |
| Keybuk | seb128: what does "date" say? | 12:51 |
| seb128 | 13:51:38 | 12:51 |
| asac | Keybuk: http://www.flickr.com/photos/asacasa/3903749434/sizes/l/ | 12:51 |
| Keybuk | and /etc/localtime is a file not a symlink? | 12:51 |
| Keybuk | seb128: hwclock --debug --show ? | 12:52 |
| seb128 | it's a file | 12:52 |
| Keybuk | asac: could you provide the same bits of information as seb128 | 12:52 |
| directhex | hm, i wrote the MIR. i need to see someone over memory issues | 12:52 |
| geser | directhex: look at the MIR bug #362854 | 12:52 |
| seb128 | Time read from the hw clock ... 13:52:34 | 12:52 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 362854 in gluezilla "include into main" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/362854 | 12:52 |
| Keybuk | seb128: could you pastebin it so it doesn't get lost | 12:52 |
| seb128 | Hw clock time 13:52:34 | 12:52 |
| Keybuk | I do need the entire output | 12:52 |
| seb128 | Wed Sep 9 | 12:52 |
| asac | Keybuk: time is the same as seb | 12:52 |
| directhex | geser, look at who wrote the MIR attached to the bug! | 12:53 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: not sure, I'm at the boot fsck prompt | 12:53 |
| asac | Keybuk: UTC=no in rcS | 12:53 |
| asac | Keybuk: and no adjtime file at all and localtime is not a link | 12:53 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: give me all the commands you want, I will put that to a log, reboot and pastebin | 12:54 |
| Keybuk | asac: and hwclock output? | 12:54 |
| Keybuk | seb128: hwclock --debug --show | 12:54 |
| Keybuk | that's about all I can think of for now ;) | 12:54 |
| seb128 | all times are 13:... | 12:54 |
| seb128 | but --utc says 15 | 12:54 |
| asac | Keybuk: looks pretty identical to what i pasted from running session: http://paste.ubuntu.com/267883/ | 12:54 |
| asac | i can get a photo if you want | 12:55 |
| seb128 | I don't know why --utc adds 2 hours | 12:55 |
| seb128 | that doesn't make sense to me | 12:55 |
| seb128 | ie --debug --show has all to 13: | 12:55 |
| seb128 | --utc is 15:... | 12:55 |
| Keybuk | seb128: because it does | 12:56 |
| cjwatson | --utc assumes that your hardware clock is kept in UTC; the time that hwclock --show shows is always in local time | 12:56 |
| cjwatson | so it's add, not subtract | 12:56 |
| seb128 | ah ok | 12:56 |
| asac | for me --utc is correct: 11:50 | 12:56 |
| Keybuk | right, --utc isn't "show me the time in utc" | 12:56 |
| Keybuk | it's "if the hwclock was in utc, what would the time be" | 12:56 |
| spaetz | james_w:(and others) thanks for the ubuntu-universe-sponsors tips | 12:56 |
| Keybuk | asac: err, that doesn't make sense | 12:56 |
| asac | http://www.flickr.com/photos/asacasa/3903756212/ | 12:56 |
| asac | hwclock photo | 12:56 |
| asac | Keybuk: not sure if you missed it, but i have no /etc/adjtime at all ... is that ok? | 12:57 |
| Keybuk | asac: do that with --utc on the hwclock line as well | 12:57 |
| Keybuk | asac: yes, that's ideal | 12:57 |
| asac | sure | 12:57 |
| seb128 | I don't get how the superblock got a time 2 hours in the futur | 12:57 |
| Keybuk | are you using ext4 or ext3 ? | 12:58 |
| asac | Keybuk: http://www.flickr.com/photos/asacasa/3902980651/ ... and ext3 | 12:59 |
| asac | sorry. photo is not best quality ;) | 12:59 |
| Keybuk | asac: did you say you had UTC=no or UTC=yes ? | 12:59 |
| asac | Keybuk: =no | 13:00 |
| asac | in rcS | 13:00 |
| Keybuk | huh | 13:00 |
| Keybuk | well, your hardware clock is in UTC | 13:00 |
| Keybuk | isn't it? | 13:00 |
| Keybuk | oh, no | 13:00 |
| asac | Keybuk: the hwclock --utc output shows 1500 ... thats wrong | 13:00 |
| Keybuk | sorry, had the images round the wrong way | 13:00 |
| Keybuk | yes | 13:01 |
| Keybuk | so that's correct | 13:01 |
| asac | thats UTC + 2* offset | 13:01 |
| Keybuk | your hardware clock is in local time | 13:01 |
| asac | k | 13:01 |
| Keybuk | ok | 13:01 |
| asac | does that give any hints? | 13:01 |
| Keybuk | everything is absoutely right | 13:01 |
| Keybuk | could you do the fsck -y | 13:01 |
| Keybuk | then finish booting | 13:01 |
| Keybuk | and grab me then again | 13:02 |
| Keybuk | let's see if it's something about the running system | 13:02 |
| asac | everything is allright, except: http://www.flickr.com/photos/asacasa/3903749434/ :) | 13:02 |
| asac | ok doing that now | 13:02 |
| seb128 | running fsck takes ages | 13:02 |
| Keybuk | hmm | 13:09 |
| directhex | yay @ whomever is on archive admin duty today | 13:09 |
| Keybuk | Last write time: Wed Sep 9 13:09:55 2009 | 13:09 |
| Keybuk | so that's in local time | 13:10 |
| Keybuk | I wonder whether it's supposed to be in local time or UTC | 13:10 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, I'm back from fsck if you need infos | 13:10 |
| arand | I seem to get that error often after update-reboots: http://imagebin.org/63162 | 13:10 |
| Keybuk | seb128: finish up the boot as normal | 13:10 |
| Keybuk | seb128: then in the normal system, run "hwclock --debug --show" and "date" again | 13:11 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, right, I'm back at GNOME after fsck there | 13:11 |
| Keybuk | seb128: it'd also help to have the output from "tune2fs -l YOURDISK" | 13:11 |
| asac | http://paste.ubuntu.com/267883/ | 13:11 |
| asac | that was in the reboot state for hwclock --debug --show | 13:11 |
| asac | my fsck hasnt finished, but thats how it was after last fsck ;) | 13:12 |
| asac | Keybuk: ^^ | 13:12 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, http://paste.ubuntu.com/267895/ | 13:12 |
| asac | btw, paste.ubuntu.com has a time issue too i think ;) | 13:13 |
| asac | 05:12:37 +0000 for seb128's paste | 13:13 |
| Keybuk | seb128: thanks, now try "tune2fs -c 29 /dev/sda6" then "tune2fs -l /dev/sda6" | 13:14 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, http://paste.ubuntu.com/267898/ | 13:15 |
| Keybuk | ok | 13:15 |
| Keybuk | so your "last write time" is in CET | 13:15 |
| Keybuk | (in tune2fs output) | 13:15 |
| Keybuk | now could you run "shutdown now" (no -h plz) | 13:15 |
| Keybuk | that'll take you down into single user mode | 13:16 |
| Keybuk | from there you should be able to "mount -o remount,ro /" | 13:16 |
| seb128 | let me restart my IRC on the netbook so I'm still online while doing that ;-) | 13:18 |
| asac | Keybuk: i assume you dont need me until finished with seb128 ? otherwise system has booted | 13:20 |
| Keybuk | asac: if you could do the tune2fs bits, that'd be helpful | 13:20 |
| asac | k | 13:21 |
| asac | but not the shutdown? | 13:21 |
| Keybuk | not yet, just tune2fs first | 13:21 |
| Keybuk | one step at a time | 13:21 |
| asac | kk | 13:21 |
| Keybuk | want to check what your last write times are in the "up" system | 13:21 |
| * ogra is fishing for an idea ... | 13:22 | |
| ogra | i have a static qemu wrapper that enables me to build and use chroots with arm binaires on x86 using the binfmt systemn | 13:23 |
| asac | oh no | 13:23 |
| asac | X hanged | 13:23 |
| asac | right when i wanted to copy the past | 13:23 |
| ogra | if i chroot into such a chroot, i can apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ... | 13:23 |
| * asac typing | 13:23 | |
| ogra | my prob is that as soon as it comes to mono, the install hangs | 13:23 |
| asac | http://pastebin.com/f40cfa057 | 13:23 |
| asac | Keybuk: ^^ | 13:24 |
| pitti | Keybuk: ubuntu boot testing> yay! | 13:24 |
| ogra | simply because mono installs an armel binfmt wrapper *inside* the chroot ... which indeed cant execute | 13:24 |
| seb1281 | Keybuk: ok, got prompt and remount | 13:24 |
| seb1281 | next? | 13:24 |
| Keybuk | remount succeeded? | 13:25 |
| seb1281 | yes | 13:25 |
| Keybuk | wow | 13:25 |
| * Keybuk has to SysRq that | 13:25 | |
| Keybuk | now try fsck -a /dev/sda6 | 13:25 |
| seb1281 | clean | 13:26 |
| * ogra wonders if anyone has an ide how to wrap binfmt wrappers in binfmt wrappers | 13:26 | |
| ogra | *idea | 13:26 |
| seb1281 | Keybuk: it says the disk is clean | 13:27 |
| Keybuk | seb1281: ok... | 13:27 |
| Keybuk | seb1281: sh -x /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh stop | 13:28 |
| Keybuk | I'm interested in the line that calls hwclock | 13:28 |
| seb1281 | /sbin/hwclock --rtc=/dev/rtc0 --systohc --localtime | 13:28 |
| Keybuk | ok | 13:29 |
| Keybuk | hwclock --debug --show | 13:29 |
| Keybuk | all the times still right? | 13:29 |
| seb1281 | yes | 13:29 |
| Keybuk | and tune2fs -i /dev/sda6 | 13:29 |
| Keybuk | what's the "last write time" ? | 13:29 |
| seb1281 | -j? | 13:30 |
| Keybuk | err -l sorry | 13:30 |
| cjwatson | ogra: are you sure that the problem is one of wrapping? because I'm pretty sure that the kernel uses the normal exec path when it executes binfmt handlers, including binfmt_misc itself; I know this because when I was writing binfmt-support first, I installed an ELF handler for the ELF binary format as a test, and my system fell over :-) | 13:30 |
| seb1281 | 14:24:44 | 13:30 |
| seb1281 | ie correct | 13:30 |
| Keybuk | seb1281: ok, "reboot -f" from here | 13:30 |
| Keybuk | does the system come up without an fsck? | 13:30 |
| arand | Seems like I was able to create the fsck issue by running "dkpg --configure -a" && "apt-get -f install" | 13:31 |
| cjwatson | ogra: it wouldn't just be that the mono handler installed inside the chroot conflicts with the one outside the chroot? | 13:31 |
| seb1281 | ie, reboot? | 13:31 |
| ogra | cjwatson, well, binfmt looks for the magic in the binary | 13:31 |
| ogra | and then execs the wrapper | 13:31 |
| Keybuk | seb1281: yes, but using that command | 13:31 |
| cjwatson | ogra: or indeed that the kernel doesn't honour the chroot-ness when executing the binfmt handler | 13:31 |
| cjwatson | ogra: yeah, I know how binfmt works :-) | 13:31 |
| ogra | in my case it would additionally have to wrap a call to qemu-arm-static around that | 13:31 |
| cjwatson | no, I suspect that the problem is that binfmt_misc is executing the binfmt handler outside the chroot | 13:31 |
| ogra | yes | 13:31 |
| cjwatson | the call to qemu-arm-static would be implicit if it were *actually executing an arm binary* | 13:32 |
| cjwatson | but it isn't | 13:32 |
| seb1281 | Keybuk: yes, no fsck it boots just fine | 13:32 |
| ogra | qemu-arm-static is static because it's in the chroot ;) | 13:32 |
| cjwatson | it's executing the i386 handler for the same thing outside the chroot | 13:32 |
| ogra | right | 13:32 |
| * seb1281 wonders if it would be faster for keybuk to set UTC=no and sit on the power button too ;-) | 13:32 | |
| cjwatson | the only way I can think of to fix this would be for binfmt-support to somehow figure out the path from the real root to the chroot, and prefix everything with that | 13:33 |
| cjwatson | but then it would also have to resolve conflicts between handlers inside and outside the chroot | 13:33 |
| cjwatson | this gets *very* complex ... | 13:33 |
| ogra | but that would mean to fiddle with the host install | 13:33 |
| pitti | seb1281: FYI, libgdata packaging/security looks fine; waiting for MIR to get rationale/maintainer/subscriber/i18n check, etc. | 13:33 |
| ogra | yeah, that whole thing is very complex | 13:34 |
| seb1281 | pitti: thanks | 13:34 |
| ogra | but will rock once it works :) | 13:34 |
| seb1281 | pitti: I will do that later if nobody beats me to it (which I doubt I've been trying to find olunteers for a week without success now) | 13:34 |
| seb1281 | chrisccoulson said he would do it if nobody does | 13:34 |
| seb1281 | but I prefer him to keep working on the bugs he's tracking ;-) | 13:34 |
| cjwatson | ogra: yes, at the moment I don't think this can be done without fiddling with the host | 13:36 |
| ogra | hmm, k, i'll think about a not to evil way for that | 13:36 |
| cjwatson | a more elegant approach would probably involve binfmt_misc recognising and remembering the filesystem namespace of the process registering a handler with it | 13:37 |
| cjwatson | I think that would be a really good thing to fix, actually | 13:38 |
| cjwatson | userspace isn't really the right place to deal with this | 13:38 |
| ogra | right, my biggest prob is currently that i want some tool like livecd-rootfs that rolls an armel rootfs | 13:38 |
| ogra | if i can somehow have something wrapped around the chroot calls inside that script it would already massively help | 13:39 |
| ogra | oh, you would fix it in-kernel ? | 13:39 |
| cjwatson | ogra: yes, I think that makes a lot more sense | 13:42 |
| ogra | indeed | 13:42 |
| cjwatson | the kernel should invoke the binfmt handler in the same filesystem namespace that registered it in the first place | 13:42 |
| ogra | though i dont see that solving my prob | 13:42 |
| cjwatson | it would solve it perfectly, as long as it could cope with having different handlers for the same thing in different namespaces | 13:42 |
| ogra | if the kernel invokes "/usr/bin/cli" from the binfmt_misc handler, it doesnt matter where /usr/bin/cli actually lives | 13:43 |
| cjwatson | yes, it really does | 13:43 |
| ogra | since /usr/bin/cli needs to be executed by qemu-arm-static | 13:43 |
| cjwatson | you misunderstand :-) | 13:43 |
| ogra | oh, wait, binfmt looks only at the magic | 13:44 |
| cjwatson | if it executes /usr/bin/cli in the chrooted filesystem namespace, then that /usr/bin/cli will be an arm executable, and so when it execs it it'll go through its binfmt handlers again and find that it needs to use qemu-arm-static to execute that binary | 13:44 |
| ogra | so it *would* use qemu-arm-static because the magic inside the chroot is the right one | 13:44 |
| ogra | yeah, sorry, i was dense for a second | 13:44 |
| ogra | indeed | 13:45 |
| ogra | thats the stacked scenario i was looking for | 13:45 |
| Keybuk | seb128: so what causes you to hit fsck? | 13:45 |
| cjwatson | right, all that already works, the bit that doesn't work is just the namespacing | 13:45 |
| ogra | yup | 13:45 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, press the power button for some seconds to shutdown the box | 13:45 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, on next boot I get the issue | 13:45 |
| Keybuk | next "normal" boot | 13:45 |
| Keybuk | or next boot with unclean shutdown? | 13:46 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, ie sit on the button to force powerdown don't let the soft do the job | 13:46 |
| blackxored | hello | 13:46 |
| seb128 | force the box down by sitting on the button | 13:46 |
| seb128 | and press the button once again to turn it on | 13:46 |
| Keybuk | seb128: what about force by S U B ? | 13:46 |
| seb128 | S U B ? | 13:46 |
| Keybuk | seb128: Alt+SysRq S U B | 13:47 |
| ion | My laptop’s keyboard makes S and B possible, but not U. :-) | 13:47 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, let me try | 13:47 |
| cjwatson | what, alt+sysrq involves fn+u or something? | 13:47 |
| cjwatson | get a better laptop :-) | 13:47 |
| ion | You have to hold down fn to get sysrq from the delete key, and U happens to be one of the letters that do something else (numpad-4) with fn. | 13:47 |
| Keybuk | on some laptops you have to do Alt+Fn+SysRq, then release the Fn key, while still holding down Alt+SysRq to press S then U then B (individually) | 13:47 |
| Keybuk | on other laptops, like the dells, you do Alt+PrntScrn | 13:48 |
| ion | keybuk: I’ll have to try that. | 13:48 |
| Keybuk | seb128: could you file a bug on e2fsprogs with this information | 13:50 |
| Keybuk | title should be something like "after hard power off, fsck on boot fails because last mount time is in the future" | 13:51 |
| Keybuk | attach all the bits you've gatherered | 13:51 |
| Keybuk | (then I get Ted to look as well) | 13:51 |
| soren | ion: You can let go of the Fn key once you've pressed sysrq. | 13:52 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, no fsck when rebooting this way | 13:52 |
| seb128 | let me try something | 13:53 |
| === marjomercado is now known as marjo | ||
| ogra | cjwatson, hmm, actually that sounds like an easy way to do harmful stuf from within a chroot ... | 13:56 |
| cjwatson | ogra: I disagree; it actually fixes a trivial way to break out of the chroot | 13:57 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, I tried a suspend cycle to see if that changed some values on the filesystem but no | 13:57 |
| ogra | as long as i know what binfmt support is installed on the host i could actually break out of my chroot | 13:57 |
| cjwatson | unless you mean the current situation | 13:57 |
| Keybuk | seb128: so safe sync/unmount cycle does not cause this | 13:57 |
| Keybuk | but forced power off causes it every time for you? | 13:57 |
| ogra | cjwatson, i mean the current behavior | 13:57 |
| ogra | :)( | 13:57 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, I would say yes, it happened 3 times on 3 forced shutdown so far | 13:58 |
| ogra | sounds like a serious security issue | 13:58 |
| cjwatson | ogra: not really hugely serious since there are loads of ways to break out of chroots anyway, but yeah | 13:58 |
| Keybuk | ok | 13:58 |
| cjwatson | ogra: but yeah, I think I thought about that at more or less the same time you did :) | 14:01 |
| ogra | heh | 14:01 |
| * ogra takes a break ... to much mono found its way into my brain today ... | 14:02 | |
| highvoltage | ogra: ouch! | 14:03 |
| tseliot | pitti: the fix for bug 303825 works here (I had to install Intrepid to test it). I added a comment in the bug report. | 14:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 303825 in nvidia-common "linux-image-2.6.27-9-generic failed to install/upgrade : run-parts: /etc/kernel/postinst.d/nvidia-common exited with return code 10" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/303825 | 14:05 |
| Keybuk | seb128: I can replicate this | 14:05 |
| Keybuk | you do need UTC=no | 14:05 |
| Keybuk | and you do need to force the power off, rather than unmounting safely | 14:05 |
| Keybuk | and the best bit is, dumpe2fs and e2fsck are disagreeing about the last write time of the superblock ;) | 14:05 |
| seb128 | ah good | 14:05 |
| seb128 | I was pondering trashing my netbook install to have a test box | 14:05 |
| seb128 | but if you get the issue it's better ;-) | 14:05 |
| pitti | tseliot: thanks | 14:09 |
| ion | keybuk: Bootcharts, as requested. http://heh.fi/tmp/ubuntu-boot/ | 14:15 |
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| ion | Dunno why the bar height is different in the charts. | 14:16 |
| cjwatson | seb128: did you see Martin's comment in bug 351577 to the effect that you should go ahead and add the build-dep to evolution? | 14:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 351577 in libpst "[MIR] libpst" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/351577 | 14:20 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, yes but current evolution requires a new lib version which fails to build and I didn't manage to sort that yet... | 14:20 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, thanks for the reminder though ;-) | 14:20 |
| cjwatson | likewise tracker->vala apparently | 14:21 |
| seb128 | dunno about this one, was the bug from chrisccoulson? | 14:21 |
| cjwatson | yes | 14:21 |
| ScottK | cjwatson: Yesterday when I asked about an LP archive rebuild, you said something about a reminder today, so here it is. | 14:22 |
| cjwatson | ScottK: oh yes, thanks | 14:22 |
| ScottK | NP | 14:22 |
| * cjwatson tries to remember the runes | 14:22 | |
| seb128 | cjwatson, he's not on IRC right now but I will ask him about it when he joins later | 14:22 |
| cjwatson | thanks | 14:23 |
| jjardon | asac, ping | 14:33 |
| asac | jdstrand: please ask directly if my nick is here ;) | 14:34 |
| jjardon | hello, some time ago I told you about the posibility of a upgrade of mobile-broadband-provider-info package | 14:34 |
| jjardon | because it has some new providers | 14:35 |
| jjardon | Could you upgrade the package now? | 14:37 |
| === MacSlow|postal-o is now known as MacSlow | ||
| cjwatson | ScottK: building now. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20090909 | 14:52 |
| ScottK | cjwatson: Thanks. | 14:52 |
| cjwatson | I didn't bother building on lpia | 14:52 |
| Keybuk | seb128: I think I've cracked this bug | 14:54 |
| Keybuk | and I'm going to start pulling faces at Ted Tso | 14:54 |
| Keybuk | it's an ext3/4 bug | 14:54 |
| ebroder | Can anybody from ubuntu-sru ACK bug #330766? It's affecting our site deployment when users run out of quota | 14:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 330766 in pulseaudio "pulseaudio hangs, prevents login, home as ntfs" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/330766 | 14:54 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, oh, good job ;-) let me know if you open any launchpad or upstream bug about the issue | 14:55 |
| Keybuk | seb128: can you please confirm though | 14:55 |
| Keybuk | are you using ext3 or ext4 | 14:55 |
| Keybuk | that's very important | 14:55 |
| seb128 | ext3 on all my machines | 14:55 |
| Keybuk | are you *sure* on the netbook? | 14:56 |
| seb128 | yes | 14:56 |
| Keybuk | if it's running karmic, did you go out of your way to use ext3 not ext4 | 14:56 |
| Keybuk | can you give me /var/log/dmesg from that computer | 14:56 |
| seb128 | I used the netbook to do IRC, not to try the bug | 14:56 |
| Keybuk | ah right, dmesg from the machine with the bug | 14:56 |
| seb128 | that's my d630, I installed intrepid and didn't reinstall since | 14:56 |
| seb128 | just upgraded | 14:56 |
| Keybuk | sure | 14:56 |
| seb128 | what do you want in the dmesg? | 14:57 |
| Keybuk | just the whole log please | 14:57 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/dmesg | 14:58 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, sda6 is the partition which triggers the fsck | 14:58 |
| seb128 | "[ 21.959392] EXT3 FS on sda6, internal journal" | 14:59 |
| Keybuk | sweet | 15:02 |
| Keybuk | [ 3.696914] EXT3-fs: sda6: orphan cleanup on readonly fs | 15:03 |
| Keybuk | [ 3.710783] ext3_orphan_cleanup: deleting unreferenced inode 4636785 | 15:03 |
| Keybuk | [ 3.710803] EXT3-fs: sda6: 1 orphan inode deleted | 15:03 |
| Keybuk | [ 3.710804] EXT3-fs: recovery complete. | 15:03 |
| Keybuk | [ 3.712723] EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with writeback data mode. | 15:03 |
| Keybuk | that was the important bit from yours | 15:03 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, ok, thanks | 15:03 |
| * Keybuk can't stop grinning about this | 15:04 | |
| ogra | inodes are overrated anyway | 15:05 |
| Daviey | ogra: they are until you run out. :) | 15:07 |
| ogra | i have a pot with them on the desk and a funnel on my disk :P | 15:07 |
| cjwatson | ogra: can you make ltsp-client-core stop depending on unionfs-fuse? I assume you're using aufs again ... see bug 379952 | 15:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 379952 in unionfs-fuse "Main inclusion request: unionfs-fuse" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/379952 | 15:08 |
| ogra | cjwatson, hrm, i thought stgraber did that already | 15:09 |
| ogra | kirkland, did the change work ? | 15:29 |
| kirkland | ogra: no :-( | 15:29 |
| ogra | huh ? | 15:30 |
| kirkland | ogra: Build Log: https://launchpad.net/~kirkland/+archive/ppa/+build/1209629/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-amd64.qemu-kvm_0.11.0~rc2-0ubuntu3~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 15:30 |
| ogra | you made it Architecture: i386 amd64 ? | 15:30 |
| kirkland | ogra: funny, that works when i build locally (just adding amd64 to the Architecture list) | 15:30 |
| kirkland | ogra: yeah, that exactly ... that builds fine on my laptop | 15:30 |
| kirkland | ogra: but not when i push it to the ppa or buildd | 15:31 |
| ogra | might need the -s too | 15:31 |
| ogra | i know the buildds runs stuff in a slightly different order than debuild | 15:32 |
| ogra | erm, in your log it doesnt even build it | 15:33 |
| liw | I have a new computer-janitor package that I would like to have uploaded; it has bug fixes only; are we late enough in the cycle to require an exception process? | 15:44 |
| liw | hm, I think we are | 15:46 |
| jdub | StevenK: does go-home-applet need to depend on netbook-launcher? | 15:53 |
| cjwatson | liw: bug fixes only are fine at the moment without any particular kind of exception process | 15:59 |
| liw | cjwatson, good, thanks | 15:59 |
| geser | kirkland: try passing --binary-arch if you want to simulate an amd64 build on the buildd with your pbuilder | 16:04 |
| geser | kirkland: the problem is: on the i386 buildd the binary target is used, which depends on your binary-static, binary-indep and binary-arch targets, on amd64 only the binary-arch target is called and it doesn't depend on the binary-static target so no qemu-arm-static is getting build | 16:05 |
| ogra | geser, oh, thats a good hint ... i dont get why -s isnt respected by debhelper at all though | 16:08 |
| geser | ogra: it isn't? what makes you believe it? | 16:11 |
| ogra | geser, kirklands local tests | 16:11 |
| ogra | geser, when he added -s across the board to all debhelper calls in binary-static having qemu-arm-static as Architecture: i386 in control, a build on his amd64 still attempted to run the debhelper stuff in binary-static | 16:13 |
| geser | ogra: it depends how kirkland called his pbuilder. Without the --binary-arch option it behaves like the i386 buildd even on amd64 -> the "binary" target gets called which calls then binary-static | 16:13 |
| ogra | well, depends also if he even uses pbuilder :) | 16:14 |
| geser | ogra: the manpage for debhelper doesn't say if -pqemu-arm-static will build it regardless of any architecure setting (and any -a or -s flag), need to look into the source | 16:17 |
| ogra | well, as i understand the manpage it should only build i386 with "-s -pqemu-arm-static" | 16:18 |
| ogra | (if it is Architecture: i386 at least) | 16:18 |
| * amitk is wondering why showkey is complaining of a missing file descriptor | 16:19 | |
| amitk | showkey | 16:19 |
| amitk | Couldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console | 16:19 |
| ogra | buy another console :) | 16:19 |
| amitk | ogra: that would mean getting a new dev box too, same error on 64bit karmic | 16:20 |
| amitk | nevermind, it seems to require sudo. Weird error message though. | 16:21 |
| cjwatson | ogra: -pqemu-arm-static will build that specific package even if -s isn't given | 16:21 |
| ogra | yeah, strace agrees | 16:21 |
| cjwatson | if you don't want that, change debian/rules | 16:21 |
| ogra | cjwatson, but if -s is given ? | 16:21 |
| cjwatson | then you get the combination of (same-arch packages) and (qemu-arm-static) | 16:22 |
| cjwatson | they concatenate | 16:22 |
| ogra | ah | 16:22 |
| zul | I forget do we need a FFE for a merge from debian that fixes a bug in launchpad | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | zul: not if it doesn't add features | 16:25 |
| zul | cjwatson: thanks | 16:25 |
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| geser | ogra: my perl is not the best, but if I understood the debhelper code correct -s -p is OR and not AND combined, so a package specified in -p gets added always to the list of packages to do | 16:31 |
| ogra | geser, yes, thats what cjwatson said :) | 16:31 |
| kees | Keybuk: you mention network filesystems in the boot testing call. I use autofs for my NFS, not static mounts -- is this still a problem? | 16:35 |
| Keybuk | kees: autofs should be ok | 16:39 |
| liw | does anyone here have skype, acroread, or google-earth installed from .debs? if so, could you give me the exact package names? | 16:50 |
| slangasek | mathiaz: are you doing the seed change for bug #424051? | 16:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 424051 in ubuntu-meta "FFe: Install apport in ubuntu-server by default" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/424051 | 16:50 |
| slangasek | (I see that you're subscribed) | 16:50 |
| mathiaz | slangasek: I can do that | 16:50 |
| mvo | liw: picasa is another common one | 16:51 |
| mathiaz | mvo: hi! | 16:54 |
| mathiaz | mvo: did you get a chance to look at bug 413789? | 16:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 413789 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 "mysql-server has been kept back with dist-upgrading" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/413789 | 16:54 |
| mvo | mathiaz: no, sorry | 16:56 |
| mathiaz | mvo: I've subsribed to the bug - is that enough to get it on your radar? | 16:57 |
| mvo | mathiaz: not currently :( I have it on my radar now, but for urgent stuff I need irc pings currently, I'm way behind with bugmail | 17:02 |
| mathiaz | mvo: allright - I'll keep that an eye on it too - thanks! | 17:03 |
| mvo | thanks | 17:03 |
| slangasek | Keybuk: ok, shall we stop abusing #-meeting? :) | 17:05 |
| Keybuk | slangasek: but I like abuse! | 17:05 |
| Keybuk | err, wait | 17:05 |
| slangasek | Keybuk: so the only delta vs. what I've sent to Joey should be for the handling of upstart-native jobs, and the maintainer script fixups to remove existing init scripts | 17:07 |
| Keybuk | yes, I think so | 17:07 |
| slangasek | the latter can be sent upstream, the former can be kept as an Ubuntu delta right now since Debian can't have any native upstart jobs yet anyway | 17:07 |
| Keybuk | and the maintainer scripts using upstart commands rather than invoke-rc.d (which doesn't work) | 17:07 |
| mathiaz | Keybuk: hi! I'm looking at the server seed in karmic and there are two wireless packages in there (wireless-tools and wpasupplicant - the latter with your name beside it) | 17:07 |
| mathiaz | Keybuk: is there a reason to have these in the default server install? | 17:08 |
| slangasek | Keybuk: no, that's a bug in upstart-job, it exists to give init script compat and it's not doing it if start-if-started returns an error. :) | 17:08 |
| Keybuk | slangasek: it's a bug in insserv actually, it doesn't know about upstart-job | 17:09 |
| Keybuk | and it's a bug in invoke-rc.d because *it* doesn't know about upstart-job | 17:09 |
| kees | slangasek: do you have a moment to look at bug 426658 ? | 17:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 426658 in pam "Today I have upgraded the PAM from 1.0.1-9ubuntu1 to 1.0.1-9ubuntu1.1 on Jaunty. After the upgrade, I cannot seem to unlock the screen after gnome-screensaver locks it. I am still able to login in gdm, or in the virtual console." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/426658 | 17:09 |
| Keybuk | ie. they don't *call* upstart-job to ask | 17:09 |
| Keybuk | and even if they did, for upstart-native jobs, the reply would be "what's a runlevel?" | 17:09 |
| slangasek | Keybuk: oh; well, that's a bug pere committed to fixing, yes | 17:09 |
| slangasek | kees: yes, drilling into that this morning | 17:11 |
| kees | slangasek: ok, thanks | 17:11 |
| kees | slangasek: anything I can help with? | 17:13 |
| slangasek | kees: make sure unix_chkpwd still has right perms in the package | 17:13 |
| slangasek | otherwise, I can't see how it's a pam bug | 17:13 |
| Keybuk | slangasek: uploaded a boot6 with --replace inverted to --upstart-only, and the "upstart (>= 0.6.0)" dep used in the upstart-only case only | 17:16 |
| Keybuk | if you don't mind, you have a better rapport with Joey than me, do you mind feeding him the changes? | 17:16 |
| ScottK | liw: For skype you get choices. skype-ubuntu-intrepid, skype-ubuntu-hardy, skype-debian. I'm currently using the Debian one (for Lenny) because it seemed to work best on Karmic. | 17:22 |
| slangasek | Keybuk: sure, will do | 17:27 |
| Keybuk | slangasek: you're right, --upstart-only is better | 17:29 |
| * Keybuk has to modify less <g> | 17:29 | |
| * slangasek grins | 17:30 | |
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| kirkland | mdz: soren: I just saw the minutes from the tech board, that sun-java is being removed... so I should be trying to move alfresco to use openjdk for the appliance images? | 17:36 |
| mdz | kirkland, those are based on 9.04 afaik | 17:37 |
| mdz | or expected to be, since that's where alfresco is available | 17:37 |
| kirkland | mdz: ah, okay | 17:37 |
| kirkland | mdz: i can roll with that | 17:37 |
| soren | kirkland: Yes. Did you not get my e-mail on the subject? | 17:40 |
| kees | slangasek: unix_chkpwd is ok | 17:43 |
| slangasek | pitti: bug #426905> since ubuntu-desktop Recommends: empathy, won't it be pulled in on (approximately) /all/ systems on upgrade? | 17:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 426905 in computer-janitor "Please offer pidgin for cleanup" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/426905 | 17:45 |
| seb128 | slangasek, that's the intend I think | 17:46 |
| slangasek | seb128: right, so pretty much everyone will get the offer to remove it | 17:46 |
| seb128 | slangasek, well, seems we have little clue about how the janitor is working | 17:47 |
| seb128 | will that happen in the dist-upgrader? | 17:47 |
| seb128 | or is that something users go to do some cleaning | 17:47 |
| arand | kees: I think I've done what I can on Bug #418135 . I'm not sure if my suggestion for the hardy patch is the best idea (eepecially since I only half-know what I'm doing), or what to do about dapper (does the bug even affect a server version)? | 17:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 418135 in glib2.0 "Permissions of symlinked source file/folder set to 777 if symlink is copied via nautilus" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/418135 | 17:47 |
| mathiaz | slangasek: re bug 424051 - I've added apport to the server seed in ubuntu.karmic. Is there anything else that shoud be done? | 17:49 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 424051 in ubuntu-meta "FFe: Install apport in ubuntu-server by default" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/424051 | 17:49 |
| kirkland | soren: i did, i was going to work on that today | 17:51 |
| kirkland | pitti: hey, some users are complaining about the .face not being accessible in encrypted-home setups | 17:51 |
| slangasek | mathiaz: you can do an ubuntu-meta upload if you wish :) | 17:51 |
| kees | arand: yeah, I think that sounded like a reasonable approach. I'll double-check it too. | 17:51 |
| kirkland | pitti: i have a suggestion how we could hack around this | 17:51 |
| pitti | kirkland: oh, indeed, and neither ~/.dmrc, I suppose (which has your default session) | 17:52 |
| mathiaz | slangasek: hm well - it doesn't need to be in the default install right *now* | 17:52 |
| kirkland | pitti: i see where debian/patches/09_gdmsetup.patch tries a few different locations | 17:52 |
| mathiaz | slangasek: so I'll rely on the next upload :) | 17:52 |
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| slangasek | mathiaz: heh, ok | 17:52 |
| kirkland | pitti: i was going to add a check to look for it in /home/.ecryptfs/$USER/.face | 17:53 |
| kirkland | pitti: and modify the About Me thingy to copy .face there, if that dir exists | 17:53 |
| kirkland | pitti: what do you think? | 17:53 |
| pitti | kirkland: ah, great idea; same for ~/.dmrc? | 17:53 |
| kirkland | pitti: sure... anything else? | 17:53 |
| kirkland | pitti: what reads/writes .dmrc ? | 17:54 |
| kirkland | pitti: i'm not familiar with that one at all | 17:54 |
| pitti | kirkland: gdm | 17:54 |
| kirkland | pitti: ah, okay | 17:54 |
| pitti | kirkland: it saves your default session type, keyboard layout, and language, i. e. the things you can change in gdm | 17:54 |
| kirkland | pitti: okay | 17:54 |
| kirkland | pitti: and where's the about-me code? the thing that writes out .face ? | 17:55 |
| kirkland | pitti: gdm source as well? | 17:55 |
| seb128 | kirkland, gnome-control-center | 17:55 |
| kirkland | seb128: thanks | 17:55 |
| pitti | ah, seb128 beat me to it, thanks | 17:55 |
| Magilum | Hey, is there a repository of all the updates in -security or in -updates in a given release cycle, or a repository of all (including past) SRU's? I'm doing research in dynamic software updating, and Ubuntu's updates over a release cycle seem like a great data source | 18:12 |
| kees | Magilum: deb archives are organized as pools, but you can get the lists of packages for a release in the "dists" subdirectory of the archive | 18:14 |
| kees | Magilum: e.g. http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy-security/ | 18:14 |
| kees | see main/binary-i386/Packages* or main/source/Sources* | 18:14 |
| cjwatson | you can also mine data about update publishing out of Launchpad using its API | 18:15 |
| Magilum | kees: I mean more like the metadata, like the SRU's or equivalent document for -security uploads. Optimally, I'd like to see the reason for any particular update, rather than just the fact that an update happened. | 18:15 |
| cjwatson | http://help.launchpad.net/API https://edge.launchpad.net/+apidoc | 18:15 |
| cjwatson | the only coherent and consistent descriptions of each update are (a) the changelog (b) any associated bugs | 18:16 |
| Magilum | cjwatson: That seems like a rather extreme solution... is there no other option? | 18:16 |
| cjwatson | Magilum: I'm not quite sure what you're after; personally I find the API is a very good way to get hold of data that nobody'd previously thought of presenting in the particular form I want, but in some cases of course there may be better presentations already available | 18:17 |
| cjwatson | you could also try the -changes mailing list archives on lists.ubuntu.com | 18:17 |
| cjwatson | they don't tell you about SRUs that failed validation though | 18:17 |
| cjwatson | or rather, they tell you about everything regardless of validation | 18:17 |
| Magilum | Okay, so a good source for the data I'm after about these updates is mining a package's changelog (which should have the bugs linked in it, right?) from launchpad? | 18:18 |
| kees | the -changes mailing list lacks -security updates, unfortunately. | 18:19 |
| Magilum | We're doing research in dynamic software updating; if you guys have heard of KSplice, that's an example of an implementation. | 18:19 |
| kees | Magilum: for -security the bugs aren't always listed, but the CVEs usually are. | 18:19 |
| Magilum | kees: Just as good, we just need to know what sort of patch it is. | 18:19 |
| cjwatson | for example, when I was preparing the change summary for 8.04.3, I used http://paste.ubuntu.com/268067/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/268068/ to automate a lot of the work for me | 18:20 |
| cjwatson | pretty hacked-up but you can probably get the idea | 18:20 |
| Magilum | So is there no database of all completed SRU's? | 18:20 |
| cjwatson | that's what Launchpad's for | 18:21 |
| kees | SRUs are different, and will almost always have their bug #'s in the changelog | 18:21 |
| slangasek | kees: bug #426923 | 18:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 426923 in pam "Cannot login after libpam upgrade to libpam* 1.0.1-4 ubuntu5.6" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/426923 | 18:21 |
| cjwatson | any source publication to -updates is a completed SRU or a security update | 18:21 |
| === mpt_ is now known as mpt | ||
| cjwatson | and you could look at the Distribution field of the changes file to determine which | 18:21 |
| slangasek | kees: did we find the one Ubuntu user who was affected by the bug? | 18:22 |
| kees | slangasek: dunno. how can we start debugging their situations? | 18:22 |
| Magilum | So basically the only (or best) way of doing this is via launchpad's API? | 18:24 |
| cjwatson | it's not absolutely the only way, as there are exports of some of the data in various other places in various forms; but if you're looking for a database to query, LP is it | 18:24 |
| slangasek | kees: well for that case, I suppose 'debconf-show libpam-runtime' should tell us whether this was the reason he's now locked out | 18:25 |
| slangasek | kees: but of course he needs to get access to his system first | 18:25 |
| slangasek | we could tell him to look for a root shell listening on a high port | 18:26 |
| kees | ugh | 18:26 |
| slangasek | do we have a recovery mode howto somewhere? | 18:27 |
| kees | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode | 18:28 |
| slangasek | awesomesauce | 18:28 |
| slangasek | oh, apparently you're on top of that bug | 18:29 |
| Magilum | cjwatson: What and where would those exports be? | 18:33 |
| cjwatson | the ad-hoc things we've mentioned, like the -changes mailing list, the security update web pages, etc. | 18:34 |
| cjwatson | and the archive itself although that only gives you things that are currently published not the history | 18:34 |
| Magilum | ah, okay. | 18:34 |
| cjwatson | perhaps the full changelog of each individual package | 18:35 |
| cjwatson | that kind of thing | 18:35 |
| Magilum | you don't have the older packages in the repository? | 18:35 |
| cjwatson | we don't really keep separate per-domain databases, it isn't economical | 18:35 |
| cjwatson | no, they get expired shortly after they've been superseded - the pool is enormous as it is | 18:35 |
| cjwatson | we only keep ones that are actually current in some Packages/Sources files | 18:35 |
| Magilum | Do they exist anywhere? | 18:35 |
| Magilum | I'm interested in seeing what in the code changed | 18:36 |
| cjwatson | they're archived in the Launchpad librarian, referenced from the Launchpad database, yes | 18:36 |
| Magilum | Alright, thanks. | 18:37 |
| cjwatson | that's the only place I'm aware of that archives everything (or close to everything; we have expired some old binary packages from releases that aren't supported any more, though not source packages) | 18:37 |
| Magilum | So the librarian doesn't have source packages? | 18:37 |
| kees | Magilum: LP keeps a debdiff between package versions, but that only started recently. | 18:38 |
| Magilum | kees: How recently? | 18:38 |
| cjwatson | the librarian has source packages, yes | 18:38 |
| cjwatson | you may have misread me if you think I said otherwise | 18:38 |
| cjwatson | my comment was "we have expired some old binary packages from releases that aren't supported any more, though [we have] not [expired any] source packages" | 18:39 |
| kees | Magilum: I think a little over a year | 18:39 |
| Magilum | Ahh, okay. thanks. | 18:39 |
| cjwatson | mm, the package diffs are not necessarily always between the pairs of packages you want, but yes, they can be useful | 18:39 |
| kees | right | 18:39 |
| Magilum | Ideally, I would have patches that laid out the growth of the program in a nice line, with metadata as to what each patch did | 18:41 |
| Magilum | I'm guessing the best thing to do would be to mine Launchpad and launchpad-librarian? | 18:41 |
| kees | Magilum: as an example, nss 3.12.3.1-0ubuntu0.9.04.1 is not longer available in binary form (a newer release was made) but the source is still available: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nss/3.12.3.1-0ubuntu0.9.04.1 | 18:41 |
| kees | Magilum: for that, check with james_w, he's been doing that with bzr trees that track each source package | 18:41 |
| Magilum | oh, that'd be fantastic. | 18:42 |
| Magilum | Are they public? james_w? | 18:42 |
| cjwatson | oh, yeah, that too | 18:42 |
| cjwatson | they're public, yes | 18:43 |
| cjwatson | https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/<sourcepackagename> | 18:43 |
| cjwatson | not necessarily everything is imported there as yet - there are still some importer problems | 18:43 |
| cjwatson | but I think the coverage is now pretty good | 18:43 |
| Magilum | how long has that been going on? | 18:43 |
| slangasek | seems to still be about 50-50 odds on the packages I try to find branches for ;) | 18:43 |
| Magilum | how far back do they go, rather? | 18:43 |
| cjwatson | only for a few months, but he imported as much history as he could find from LP | 18:44 |
| cjwatson | so I would expect they'll go back as far as you need | 18:44 |
| === cprov-lunch is now known as cprov | ||
| Magilum | that's fantastic | 18:46 |
| Keybuk | * Mounting securityfs on /sys/kernel/security... | 18:47 |
| Keybuk | mount: securityfs already mounted or /sys/kernel/security busy | 18:47 |
| Keybuk | mount: according to mtab, none is already mounted on /sys/kernel/security | 18:47 |
| Keybuk | [fail] | 18:47 |
| Keybuk | kees: ^ OMG! THE SKY IS FALLING! THINGS ARE EXACTLY WHERE THEY SHOULD BE! ARGH! | 18:47 |
| Keybuk | :p | 18:48 |
| Keybuk | kees: could you set OGRA=n on that script? :) | 18:48 |
| Magilum | Do the branches have a single continuous history, or are they totally disjoint from the ones in other pools (if that's the right word). I notice there's a branch for $package in hardy, one for hardy-proposed, one for hardy-updates, etc | 18:48 |
| Keybuk | jcastro: you should so post that bootchart on twitter | 18:52 |
| jcastro | Keybuk: I didn't want to steal your thunder, feel free to post it yourself. | 18:54 |
| jcastro | but I can if you'd like | 18:54 |
| Keybuk | jcastro: it's better marketing if it's anecdotal | 18:55 |
| jcastro | he ok | 18:55 |
| Keybuk | besides, mine are better ;) | 18:55 |
| jcastro | heh | 18:55 |
| cjwatson | Magilum: they're supposed to have common history where appropriate | 18:55 |
| Magilum | cjwatson: Where would they be disjoint? | 18:56 |
| cjwatson | where the history is in fact disjoint :-) | 18:56 |
| cjwatson | sorry, I shouldn't have said "where appropriate", that was confusing | 18:56 |
| * cjwatson -> elsewhere | 18:56 | |
| Magilum | AAhh, the bzr repo's james_w has are in 2a format. | 19:00 |
| kees | Keybuk: erm? | 19:09 |
| kees | Keybuk: oh, is /proc/mounts not listing it as securityfs? | 19:10 |
| kees | if ! grep -q ^securityfs /proc/mounts ; then | 19:10 |
| kees | log_action_begin_msg "Mounting securityfs on ${SECURITYFS}" | 19:10 |
| kees | if ! mount -t securityfs securityfs "${SECURITYFS}"; then | 19:10 |
| kees | Keybuk: or rather, I assume it should be the 3rd column, not the first that is checked? | 19:11 |
| kirkland | pitti: okay, cool, .face fixed in gdm | 19:12 |
| kirkland | pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/268101/ | 19:13 |
| kirkland | pitti: how do i test .dmrc ? | 19:13 |
| kirkland | pitti: i'm not familiar with it at all | 19:13 |
| superm1 | kirkland, don't you just put it in your home directory and restart gdm? | 19:14 |
| kees | Keybuk: what would you recommend as the cleanest way to make sure a given fs is mounted in a particular location? | 19:14 |
| kirkland | superm1: right... but what the heck does .dmrc actually do? | 19:14 |
| kirkland | superm1: and how can i tell if its working or not | 19:14 |
| superm1 | kirkland, defines the defaults for your user, keyboard, language and login session | 19:15 |
| === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn | ||
| superm1 | (to override the system defaults for these things) | 19:15 |
| superm1 | so if you want to make sure yours is being read, put a session in it that's different than the system's | 19:15 |
| === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk | ||
| jdstrand | Riddell: hi! are you planning an upload of qt4-x11 today? I plan to upload a fix for CVE-2009-2700 | 19:24 |
| jdstrand | Riddell: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/commit/802d8c02eaa0aa9cd8d0c6cbd18cd814e6337bc6 | 19:25 |
| kees | Keybuk: you can set ulimits in upstart service definitions, right? | 19:26 |
| ScottK | jdstrand: I think he's offline until tomorrow sometime. | 19:27 |
| kees | Keybuk: oh, nm, found it in http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/Stanzas | 19:28 |
| jdstrand | I'll take that as a 'no' then :) | 19:28 |
| jdstrand | ScottK: thanks! | 19:28 |
| RainCT | Keybuk: Saying the PPA doesn't improve boot speed was a bad move, now there's no incentive to test it! :P | 19:32 |
| ScottK | There's still the thrill for the first reboot and waiting to see if it comes up or not. | 19:34 |
| soren | kirkland: Ok, good, didn't mean to pester you or anything. I had had mail issues on my shiny, new laptop, so I wasn̈́'t completely sure all my e-mail had gotten through. | 19:43 |
| kirkland | soren: no problemo | 19:44 |
| kirkland | soren: i reinstalled yesterday too | 19:44 |
| kirkland | soren: similarly, i didn't mean to pester you about getting started on that image either | 19:45 |
| kirkland | soren: i just wanted to make sure I wasn't making it more difficult than it needed to be | 19:45 |
| soren | kirkland: This time, I've added all my $HOME/.*rc files to bzr and added a Makefile that'll install all the packages I can't live without. Blowing this box away now shouldn't be too much of a problem. | 19:45 |
| kirkland | soren: that's really funny too... i've been carrying around the same $HOME/* since about edgy | 19:46 |
| soren | kirkland: I deliberaly don't do that. | 19:46 |
| kirkland | soren: just yesterday, i pruned *all* .*rc that I didn't recognize | 19:46 |
| kirkland | there was some cruft in there | 19:46 |
| kirkland | dustbunnies | 19:46 |
| kirkland | soren: as for testing this image ... | 19:47 |
| soren | Every time I acquire a new system, my $HOME gets more and more organised this way. I start out with a clean slate and only copy stuff over when I need it. After a while, I grab a full backup, and de- or recomission the machine. | 19:47 |
| kirkland | soren: it's trivial for me to do so in kvm | 19:47 |
| kirkland | soren: i can try to setup UEC here, if you tell me it's in better shape than last week, and worth trying an install now | 19:48 |
| soren | kirkland: I have an upload pending that should take care of a few things, actually. | 19:48 |
| jjohansen1 | kirkland: well we have a karmic kernel that can be tested | 19:48 |
| kirkland | soren: cool, i'll look out for that | 19:48 |
| kirkland | jjohansen1: ah | 19:49 |
| soren | kirkland: Oh, I just looked. It's not something that should affect anything you need. | 19:49 |
| kirkland | soren: so i should use karmic's vm-builder to generate a jaunty amd64 image with alfresco | 19:49 |
| soren | kirkland: I'd use what's in bzr. | 19:50 |
| kirkland | soren: vmbuilder from bzr ? | 19:50 |
| kirkland | soren: you mean? | 19:50 |
| soren | kirkland: Yes. | 19:50 |
| kirkland | soren: hrm... | 19:50 |
| kirkland | soren: is that going to land in karmic? | 19:50 |
| soren | Yes. | 19:50 |
| kirkland | soren: eta on that? | 19:50 |
| pen1234 | http://www.thaiadpoint.com/tap8.1/bin/redir.php?p=2042&l=1357&u_id=363435 | 19:51 |
| kirkland | soren: i only ask for the sake of the reproduciblity of images | 19:51 |
| pen1234 | http://www.thaiadpoint.com/tap8.1/bin/redir.php?p=2042&l=1357&u_id=363435 | 19:54 |
| soren | kirkland: I doubt I'll have the time this week. | 19:58 |
| kirkland | soren: okay | 19:59 |
| donri | why is the software store needed, and why can't you use and help improve gnome-packagekit instead? how compatible will the software store be with the packagekit api? e.g. will it work with the pango and gstreamer plugins? | 20:03 |
| === billybigrigger_ is now known as billybigrigger1 | ||
| slangasek | mathiaz: thbbt, I'm uploading ubuntu-meta to get that FFe off my list :) | 20:17 |
| slangasek | mathiaz: well played :) | 20:17 |
| mvo | donri: PK can not use debconf, we would love to fix this, but it got not accepted upstream | 20:19 |
| donri | isn't debconf what interrupts installations to prompt for input? | 20:21 |
| mathiaz | slangasek: thanks! ;) | 20:21 |
| donri | isn't the upstream concern merely that all prompts should go before installations so that installations run uninterrupted? couldn't this be made to work with debconf? | 20:27 |
| slangasek | donri: no, it can't. | 20:32 |
| donri | i'm curious, why not? | 20:33 |
| slangasek | because debconf is used for communicating errors during package installs, and prompting in cases where we don't know prompts are needed until packages have started to be unpacked and installed. | 20:34 |
| === rmcbride_ is now known as rmcbride | ||
| kirkland | seb128: pitti: do either of you guys want to eyeball my patches to gdm and gnome-control-center for Bug #426724 ? | 20:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 426724 in gnome-control-center "login-screen has no user-pictures" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/426724 | 20:43 |
| kirkland | seb128: pitti: i've tested that they "do the right thing" | 20:43 |
| kirkland | seb128: pitti: you guys might look at them from an upstreamable perspective, as I have no cred in the gnome world :-) | 20:44 |
| soren | slangasek: thbbt? | 20:44 |
| === dpm-afk is now known as dpm | ||
| slangasek | soren: <raspberry_sound/> | 20:44 |
| soren | slangasek: Oh, it's an onomatopoieticon? | 20:45 |
| mneptok | thttpd? | 20:45 |
| slangasek | soren: yes | 20:45 |
| soren | twss | 20:45 |
| mneptok | !info thttpd | 20:45 |
| ubottu | thttpd (source: thttpd): tiny/turbo/throttling HTTP server. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.25b-6 (jaunty), package size 59 kB, installed size 240 kB | 20:45 |
| kirkland | pitti: seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/268159/ | 20:46 |
| kirkland | pitti: seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/268160/ | 20:46 |
| soren | slangasek: I would *never* have guessed :) | 20:46 |
| slangasek | mathiaz: well - I would be uploading ubuntu-meta, anyway, if the darn script noticed that the seed had changed | 20:46 |
| seb128 | kirkland, open a bug and subscribe the sponsor team to it? | 20:47 |
| seb128 | kirkland, it's late european time now, I'm busy with other things and pitti is away for the evening | 20:47 |
| kirkland | seb128: okay, you'd rather me do that than upload myself? | 20:47 |
| seb128 | kirkland, I will have a look tomorrow morning | 20:47 |
| kirkland | seb128: cool, thanks | 20:48 |
| seb128 | kirkland, well I would prefer to have changes upstream before being uploaded yes | 20:48 |
| seb128 | otherwise nobody will upstream those later | 20:48 |
| kirkland | seb128: alright, i'll attach the two debdiff's to the bug then | 20:48 |
| seb128 | thanks | 20:48 |
| kirkland | seb128: and subscribe you/pitti | 20:48 |
| kirkland | seb128: thank you ;-) | 20:48 |
| Keybuk | kees: well, firstly you should *not* do that | 20:53 |
| Keybuk | kees: you're wasting time, cpu, I/O, etc. during boot just to find out whether some other part of the boot worked or not | 20:53 |
| Keybuk | far better just to fail loudly as normal | 20:53 |
| Keybuk | mountall will already have mounted securityfs | 20:53 |
| fabrice_sp | kirkland, are you looking after FTBFS of pycryptopp ? | 20:53 |
| Keybuk | (and yes, you're reading the wrong field, field 1 can contain anything, field 3 is the type) | 20:53 |
| kirkland | fabrice_sp: no, sorry, no time | 20:54 |
| kees | Keybuk: so assume it's mounted and explode if it's not there? | 20:54 |
| Keybuk | exactly | 20:54 |
| fabrice_sp | I'll submit the debdiff then (it's the classical --install-layout python stuff) | 20:54 |
| kees | Keybuk: ok | 20:54 |
| Keybuk | I've got that converted to Upstart anyway | 20:54 |
| Keybuk | which does "start on filesystem", and filesystem checks for securityfs already | 20:54 |
| Keybuk | but it's worth saying ;) | 20:54 |
| kees | Keybuk: where does mountall.sh get its knowledge of securityfs's mount location? | 20:56 |
| Keybuk | kees: mountall is a binary in the Upstart source package in the ubuntu-boot PPA | 20:56 |
| kees | Keybuk: right, but if someone doesn't have ubuntu-boot... | 20:57 |
| Keybuk | they will don't worry | 21:00 |
| slangasek | mathiaz: oh, haha, there's no ubuntu-server metapackage | 21:04 |
| slangasek | mathiaz: so the bug is fixed, then | 21:05 |
| kirkland | soren: ping | 21:07 |
| kirkland | soren: http://paste.ubuntu.com/268172/ | 21:18 |
| === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth | ||
| * popey pokes directhex with a friendly stick | 21:27 | |
| kirkland | apw: around? | 21:27 |
| kirkland | apw: i talked to rtg last week about upping our /dev/loop* to something more reasoanble, say 32 or 64 | 21:27 |
| kirkland | apw: he said he'd need to investigate the memory cost ... do you happen to know? | 21:28 |
| kirkland | apw: seems other distros set that a bit higher than our 8 | 21:28 |
| kirkland | apw: and eucalyptus recommends 32, or it throws warnings in init | 21:28 |
| popey | directhex: libgconf2.0-cil appears to not exist in jaunty.. which is a problem for backporting tomboy 0.15.x suggestions? | 21:29 |
| bdmurray | slangasek: I wanted to add that a new package should have an apport package hook to the new package inclusion guidelines. Does that seem reasonable? | 21:38 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: seems reasonable to me; those are guidelines for main though, aren't they? (so the domain of the MIR team) | 21:39 |
| bdmurray | slangasek: I was looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/CodeReviews#NewPackage in particular | 21:40 |
| bdmurray | so not necessarily main | 21:40 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: ah, ok | 21:42 |
| slangasek | # Non-native packages must have verifiable cryptographic path to upstream source | 21:43 |
| * slangasek peers | 21:43 | |
| slangasek | ok, I don't know what these rules are targeted at, then; that's certainly not something that gets checked as part of new processing | 21:44 |
| bdmurray | What documentation is refered to for new packages in universe then? | 21:46 |
| RainCT | mvo: Hey. You may be intersted in the last comment on http://bloc.eurion.net/archives/2009/how-to-help-with-package-screenshots/ | 21:59 |
| mvo | RainCT: sweet, that sounds very nice | 22:01 |
| mvo | RainCT: I talked to him a while ago when I created the get-screenshot button in synaptic and he is just a incredible nice guy | 22:01 |
| === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 | ||
| rgreening | pitti: ping | 22:12 |
| directhex | popey, for jaunty... that sounds correct | 22:17 |
| directhex | popey, it was unneccessarily ABI-bumped | 22:18 |
| directhex | popey, change the dep to libgconf2.24-cil | 22:18 |
| popey | ahh | 22:18 |
| popey | thank you | 22:18 |
| soren | kirkland: ah, that again. | 22:18 |
| kirkland | soren: i worked around it, but hit a few more issues | 22:18 |
| kirkland | soren: 2 things i wanted to discuss | 22:18 |
| soren | kirkland: Ok. | 22:19 |
| kirkland | soren: before vmbuilder ... | 22:19 |
| kirkland | soren: kqemu .... | 22:19 |
| soren | Oh. | 22:19 |
| soren | kirkland: Ah, yes. | 22:19 |
| kirkland | soren: upstream qemu and kvm projects have both disabled it, noting that it's basically unsupported | 22:19 |
| kirkland | soren: we would need to configure that on to support it in Ubuntu | 22:19 |
| soren | kirkland: It's a shame, really. I'd like to keep it around (I happen to know that jdstrand uses it), but it would end up in main. :( | 22:19 |
| kirkland | soren: there's a few users complaining about this now | 22:19 |
| kirkland | soren: yeah, i'm on the fence | 22:20 |
| kirkland | soren: i don't guess i really mind it in universe | 22:20 |
| kirkland | soren: but in no way do we want to endorse it in main | 22:20 |
| kirkland | soren: when upstream is saying that it's unsupportable | 22:20 |
| soren | kirkland: ..but it would be in the same binary, right? | 22:20 |
| soren | No way to split it out. | 22:20 |
| soren | AFAIK. | 22:20 |
| kirkland | soren: right | 22:20 |
| kirkland | soren: we'd have to do a separate build, and spit out a different binary deb for universe | 22:21 |
| * jdstrand does use it | 22:21 | |
| jdstrand | it is fairly flaky on karmic though | 22:21 |
| kirkland | jdstrand: oh? how are you using it in karmic? | 22:22 |
| jdstrand | iirc I could have VMs with 384M of ram, but not 256 or 512 | 22:22 |
| jdstrand | kirkland: I was using it in Dublin | 22:22 |
| kirkland | jdstrand: not through qemu-kvm, huh? | 22:22 |
| soren | Ok, just for kicks: Can some please calculate the HMAC_SHA1 with key "12345678901234567890" and data 0 (ASCII 0, not '0')? I have a document that says it should yield one value, but I'm getting another. | 22:22 |
| jdstrand | kirkland: I did use qemu-kvm once to test the libvirt/apparmor stuff | 22:23 |
| cjwatson | meh, why on earth is a watch file or get-orig-source a requirement in those "new package guidelines"? | 22:23 |
| jdstrand | (for kqemu) | 22:23 |
| cjwatson | rule of thumb: if something is only sporadically followed among the packages in main, making it a requirement for all new packages may not make sense :-P | 22:23 |
| cjwatson | bdmurray: I think what's happened is that the MOTU review practices have been borged into that page | 22:24 |
| cjwatson | bdmurray: archive admins doing new queue review are usually experienced enough that their own judgement is a pretty good set of guidelines in itself, and TBH I'd rather leave them to it most of the time, as long as we get the basic licensing checks done; if I were to point people at a set of guidelines, I'd use http://ftp-master.debian.org/REJECT-FAQ.html | 22:25 |
| kirkland | soren: okay, i suppose we ignore kqemu for now? | 22:26 |
| cjwatson | bdmurray: as for apport package hooks, it often makes sense, but not always - consider a command-line tool which simply filters its input in some way. There's really no sensible way to write an apport hook for such a thing | 22:26 |
| kirkland | jdstrand: i would not have expected kqemu to work at all with qemu-kvm ... | 22:26 |
| cjwatson | bdmurray: so there definitely needs to be discretion in there | 22:27 |
| kirkland | soren: okay, vmbuilder ... i'm hitting a few errors | 22:27 |
| kirkland | soren: i was able to change the parted calls to use "linux-swap(new)" | 22:27 |
| kirkland | soren: that seems to work | 22:27 |
| cjwatson | use (v1) please | 22:27 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: i saw some posts from you about this topic, actually | 22:27 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: hmm, (v1) didn't work ... | 22:27 |
| cjwatson | let me check if that patch is in place | 22:27 |
| jdstrand | kirkland: well, I was using it with libvirt, so I used "<domain type='kqemu'>" with <emulator>/usr/bin/qemu</emulator> | 22:27 |
| jdstrand | kirkland: at the time, it didn't blow apart | 22:28 |
| jdstrand | kirkland: I may have had a kqemu-source module laying around | 22:28 |
| kirkland | jdstrand: hrm, okay | 22:28 |
| cjwatson | oh, meh, it isn't! | 22:28 |
| cjwatson | you'll have to use (new) for now, yes | 22:28 |
| cjwatson | but expect that to change again in future; (new) will keep on working at least for a while | 22:28 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: okay, confirms what i saw | 22:28 |
| cjwatson | calling things "new" is bad design in general though, which is why I got it changed upstream | 22:29 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: i tried v1 first, then fell back to (new) | 22:29 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: oh, i agree, and support your quest ;-) | 22:29 |
| bdmurray | cjwatson: my intent is to modify the documentation so new packages will be aware of apport package hooks when making a new package. I modified https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages but wanted something that stressed it more. | 22:29 |
| bdmurray | cjwatson: I realize it doesn't always make sense to have one | 22:30 |
| kirkland | soren: okay, so once i fix VMBuilder/disk.py to use linux-swap(new) ... the install proceeds | 22:30 |
| cjwatson | bdmurray: that's fine, I just don't want us to go too far the other way and end up with a bunch of silly apport hooks that do very little of any use. It's probably only really an issue when the package is likely to get a lot of bugs | 22:30 |
| kirkland | soren: then blows up at bootloader installation | 22:30 |
| cjwatson | or a lot of hard-to-diagnose bugs | 22:30 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: btw, i don't know that I'm going to have time to fix grub2 to install onto each disk in a raid | 22:31 |
| jdstrand | bdmurray: fyi, the apport report is in the usual place | 22:31 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: at least, not without a few pointers | 22:31 |
| === foxbuntu` is now known as foxbuntu | ||
| cjwatson | kirkland: I was under the impression that that was on my plate | 22:34 |
| mathiaz | cr3: hey - reviewing your apport merge proposal | 22:34 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: oh, good, i thought you thought i was fixing that | 22:34 |
| mathiaz | cr3: isn't the apport support a new feature? | 22:34 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: thanks, i haven't filed a bug yet ... i'll do that now (unless there's already one) | 22:35 |
| mathiaz | cr3: hm - s/apport/checkbox merge proposal/ | 22:35 |
| cr3 | mathiaz: nope, it was added before ff. I just improved it following complaints :) | 22:35 |
| cjwatson | kirkland: go ahead | 22:36 |
| soren | kirkland: Ah, yes, the grub2 thing. | 22:37 |
| kirkland | soren: do you have a fix for this too? | 22:37 |
| soren | kirkland: I do not, unfortunately. | 22:37 |
| jdstrand | soren, kirkland: zul was working on that at one point | 22:37 |
| kirkland | soren: a work around? | 22:37 |
| soren | kirkland: For different reasons, I will have to find a fix for it tomorrow. | 22:37 |
| soren | kirkland: Install grub1? :) | 22:38 |
| jdstrand | I do not know the status | 22:38 |
| mathiaz | cr3: same question for the dmi detection | 22:38 |
| mathiaz | cr3: it seems that this two things add a lot of new code | 22:38 |
| cr3 | mathiaz: dmi was there as requested by launchpad, but it didn't work unfortunately and I couldn't fix it before ff | 22:39 |
| mathiaz | cr3: and what about apport symptoms support? | 22:42 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/427048 | 22:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 427048 in grub2 "grub2 needs to install the bootloader to each disk in a RAID1 array providing /boot" [High,Triaged] | 22:42 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: i filed against grub2, assigned it your way, triaged it, and targeted at alpha6 | 22:43 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: sorry if any of that is inaccurate | 22:43 |
| kirkland | soren: i don't see a grub1/2 toggle in vmbuilder :-) | 22:43 |
| cjwatson | kirkland: that's fine although a6 might be ambitious | 22:44 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: okay, retarget for beta? | 22:45 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: i'll leave that to your discretion | 22:45 |
| cr3 | mathiaz: I was hoping that could be considered a bug against checkbox reporting irrelevant bugs | 22:45 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: i just wanted to make sure it was milestoned, assuming that was okay by you | 22:45 |
| cr3 | mathiaz: however, we could consider that a feature and I could go through the ffe process if that would make you feel more comfortable | 22:46 |
| cjwatson | kirkland: leave it be for now; sure | 22:46 |
| soren | kirkland: That's what I'll add tomorrow. :) | 22:48 |
| kirkland | soren: okay, cool, i'll fix other stuff in the mean time | 22:48 |
| soren | kirkland: well... Not really. I'll just fix it, so that things Just Work[tm]. | 22:48 |
| kirkland | soren: cheers ;-) | 22:48 |
| mathiaz | cr3: IIUC the workaround that bdmurray introduced in the previous upload was fixed? | 22:48 |
| mathiaz | cr3: ie not reporting agains the linux package? | 22:48 |
| cr3 | mathiaz: yep | 22:50 |
| cr3 | mathiaz: ie, if there's no corresponding package and there's no corresponding symptom, then don't report a bug | 22:51 |
| cr3 | mathiaz: I will be revising all the tests later to make sure that a relevant package is assigned to each test so that bugs can be reported for each test | 22:51 |
| cr3 | mathiaz: I need to jet, but I'll be back online later. thanks for looking into my merge request! | 22:52 |
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| * slangasek chuckles at bug #400222 | 23:26 | |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 400222 in malone "new status ajax menu let you change bugzilla watch status" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/400222 | 23:26 |
| RainCT | how can I fix my install if ~ubuntu-boot/+archive/staging is evil? apt-get inside chroot from Live USB? | 23:33 |
| slangasek | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode? | 23:34 |
| slangasek | what kind of evil was it? | 23:34 |
| RainCT | slangasek: Haven't tried it yet, asking just in case (I need my laptop tomorrow morning). | 23:35 |
| slangasek | heh | 23:35 |
| RainCT | btw, any idea when the diff stuff for 'aptitude update' will land? | 23:40 |
| mathiaz | mdz: re bug 194140 - should I assign it to mvo? | 23:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 194140 in cyrus-sasl2 "Dependency cycle prevents upgrade of libsasl2-2" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194140 | 23:48 |
| mrooney|w | is there anywhere to track the number of language packs on the default ISO over past releases of Ubuntu? | 23:55 |
| mrooney|w | more specifically I'm trying to figure out the total size consumed by langpacks on the ISOs over time | 23:56 |
| slangasek | the number installed can be extracted from the .manifest files accompanying the ISOs | 23:57 |
| slangasek | on releases.u.c and old-images.u.c | 23:57 |
| slangasek | sorry, old-releases.u.c | 23:57 |
| mrooney|w | slangasek: excellent, thanks | 23:59 |
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