[06:14] <Grantbow> Who can update www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/faq with the names for Intrepid, Jaunty and Karmic?
[06:21] <Grantbow> bug#426635 filed
[10:50] <dpm> newz2000: hi, could you please look into bug 362949?
[10:50] <ubot3> Malone bug 362949 in ubuntu-start-page "start.ubuntu.com webserver does not supports Asturian" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/362949
[14:39] <newz2000> hi dpm. Yes, I've looked into it and will set up a time w/ other parties to get this fixed by release day
[15:00] <dpm> newz2000: ok, great, thanks. Could you please comment on the bug to let the Asturian community members this is being worked on?
[15:01] <newz2000> yeah, that would be good wouldn't it? I think this is actually a duplicate bug so will work it out so that people understand
[15:05] <jpds> newz2000: You in London?
[15:05] <newz2000> jpds: Des Moines, Iowa, USA
[15:05] <jpds> Ah, right.
[15:06] <SiDi> (Des Moines means Some Monks in my language :P)
[15:06] <newz2000> yeah, I think the french just tried to spell the native american name as well as they could
[15:07] <newz2000> There really aren't too many monks around here. :-)
[15:07] <newz2000> Though I did meet a Buddhist monk at a concert not too long ago
[15:12] <SiDi> hehe
[15:12] <SiDi> i think he arrived long after the french, though :D
[16:06] <emmajane> newz2000, ping :)
[16:06] <newz2000> hello emmajane
[16:07] <emmajane> newz2000, hey :)
[16:07] <emmajane> newz2000, I'm delighted you like the new mockup.
[16:07] <emmajane> I'm just adding a google search to the bazaar site. is there a way to make it look less like their crappy bloated widget?
[16:07] <emmajane> I think one of the ubuntu sites uses google search..maybe?
[16:08] <newz2000> Yes, the trick is to set up google custom search through adsense
[16:08] <newz2000> it will still have ads, the only way to avoid that is to use the paid version
[16:08] <emmajane> ah. ok.
[16:09] <emmajane> should I get poolie to set that up? or would that be something he'd hand off to IS?
[16:09] <emmajane> (surprisingly, I don't want to be the forever overlord of the bazaar search)
[16:09] <newz2000> yeah, good question
[16:09] <emmajane> he gave me one through their custom search.
[16:09] <newz2000> do you have an account you can use to experiment with?
[16:09] <newz2000> oh
[16:09] <emmajane> (which was tied to his account)
[16:10] <newz2000> yes, then that'd how I'd proceed, through his
[16:10]  * emmajane nods
[16:10] <emmajane> thanks :)
[16:10] <newz2000> let me look to see how I did it on search.ubuntu.com I seem to remember it not being obvious
[16:11] <emmajane> I was just checking help. and it was lovely.
[16:11] <newz2000> the one we're using is purely javascript based but allows the nicest themeing (of the free versions)
[16:11] <emmajane> newz2000, search. looks nice too.
[16:12]  * emmajane nods
[16:15] <newz2000> emmajane: http://www.google.com/cse/docs/
[16:15] <newz2000> "the developer guide" has some good stuff
[16:15] <newz2000> search.u.c uses the js version, lauchpad.net uses the xml version which requires server side code
[16:15] <newz2000> both allow rich themeing
[16:16] <emmajane> newz2000, http://www.gmodules.com/ig/creator?url=http://www.google.com/cse/api/009852948614216791564/cse/dr5xzrczfnu/gadget&synd=open&w=320&h=75&title=Bazaar+site+search+engine&border=%23ffffff%7C0px%2C1px+solid+%23004488%7C0px%2C1px+solid+%23005599%7C0px%2C1px+solid+%230077BB%7C0px%2C1px+solid+%230088CC <--- does that link work?
[16:16] <newz2000> yeah, takes me to an "add this gadget to you rpage" bazaar site search
[16:16] <newz2000> which does seem to give relevant links
[16:17] <emmajane> http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=009852948614216791564%3Adr5xzrczfnu <-- that's the page if it doesn't work...
[16:17] <emmajane> ah.
[16:17]  * emmajane looks in the developer guide.
[16:17] <emmajane> thanks for the link :)
[16:17] <newz2000> There is a guy inside canonical who knows so much about this
[16:18] <newz2000> named dustin kirkland
[16:18] <newz2000> I can get you in touch with him if you get stuck. He really really likes this kind of stuff.
[16:18] <emmajane> I think I follow dustin on identi.ca :)
[16:18] <emmajane> heh
[16:18] <emmajane> we all need hobbies, eh?
[16:18] <newz2000> indeed
[16:19] <emmajane> http://code.google.com/intl/en/apis/customsearch/docs/ui.html#searchbox looks usefful
[16:19] <newz2000> Scroll down to "presenting the rsults on the same page"
[16:20] <newz2000> that may be what you want
[16:20] <emmajane> ok
[16:20] <newz2000> emmajane: did you see this floating around in the last few days? http://www.baselinecss.com/
[16:21] <emmajane> isn't baseline css just a pipe dream?
[16:21]  * emmajane looks
[16:21] <newz2000> a newish grid framework
[16:21] <newz2000> incorporates html 5 stuff
[16:21] <emmajane> ahh, cool!
[16:21] <newz2000> may be a little cutting edge but definitely the way of the future
[16:21] <emmajane> I still need to update the 960 style sheets to use ems instead of fixed px.
[16:22] <newz2000> I'm using 960 on ubuntu.com now but I really wish I could combine it with blueprint
[16:22] <newz2000> I love and dislike things about both
[16:23]  * emmajane nods
[16:23] <emmajane> Oo. I met Mark Boulton at DrupalCon. That was pretty cool.
[16:23] <newz2000> I would expect you'd meet a lot of cool people at drupalcon. :-)
[16:25] <emmajane> I know most of the drupal folks just  from IRC and it was nice to meet someone from the outside world. ;)
[16:26] <newz2000> yeah, that is nice.
[16:26] <newz2000> oh, just checked out 960's website and one of my beefs has been fixed... there's now a generator for custom dimensions
[16:26] <emmajane> \o/
[16:27] <emmajane> someone was complaining recently about fixed vs. fluid. but they've had that for a while too.
[16:27] <knome> drupal? nice?
[16:27] <knome> where's the negative
[16:27] <emmajane> I spent a couple of hours looking at the YUI grid stuff but then realized it was only in 2.x and was sad and went back to 960.
[16:28] <newz2000> yui's grid does not follow the same versioning as the yui js library
[16:28]  * emmajane nods.
[16:28] <newz2000> it's not as nice as 960 or blueprint for sure, but it does have two things
[16:28] <emmajane> and they've got huge DEPRECATEDs all over hte 3.x versino of the site.
[16:28] <newz2000> it's nestable so you can put grids inside of grids easily, also it supports standard ad sizes easily
[16:28] <emmajane> I liked the nested columns of various set widths. that seemed cool to me (although i don't have a problem with 960s adding up columns)
[16:28] <emmajane> yah
[16:29] <emmajane> I really liked the video on why they came to have what they've got.
[16:29] <emmajane> it just seemed to be... rational.
[16:29] <newz2000> yeah. I still don't want to use it though. :-)
[16:32] <newz2000> hey knome, you and rime got anything exciting in mind for banners this time around?
[16:32] <knome> not really. we can help with doing thing X, if you need, i think ;)
[16:32] <knome> what do you think about the apng?
[16:33] <newz2000> I think it's very clever. I'm open to using it.
[16:33] <newz2000> But we need a message first
[16:34] <knome> did you see my post on the ML?
[16:34] <knome> specifically the concern about people "missing" something
[16:34] <knome> i mean, in the last time, the point was to stay on the last frame
[16:34] <knome> but now, if we put in an animated png...
[16:35] <knome> how to keep the whole animation interesting?
[16:35] <newz2000> Yeah, there are numerous question marks.
[16:36] <newz2000> The real solution would be to just use the HTML5 <video> tag of course. :-)
[16:36] <knome> i mean, the last time, i think the first frames were perfect. do we have anything like that this time?
[16:36] <knome> is there any ideas or needs from canonical? what to emphasis on?
[16:37] <newz2000> We don't need to emphasize on anything, the marketing dept specifically likes to leave that in the hands of the community
[16:37] <newz2000> if we want to, we can focus on the social aspects of karmic
[16:38] <knome> like.. what? :)
[16:39] <knome> one thing we could do with apng is to have a static part telling the most important things and then a little bar witn running text
[16:40] <newz2000> that would be clever
[16:40] <newz2000> most important thing being the number of days
[16:41] <knome> the only question mark is how much this would increase the file size
[16:41] <newz2000> yeah
[16:42] <newz2000> knome: why don't you sketch out your idea real quick and post it to the list or wiki?
[16:43] <knome> meh ;)
[16:49] <knome> what was the required size again?
[16:50] <newz2000> 180x150
[16:51] <knome> okay
[16:51] <newz2000> It's okay if it's a rough drawing if you're just trying to get discussion going
[16:52] <knome> well i can do a gif sketch
[17:11] <knome> newz2000, http://emonk.fi/open/ubuntu/Karmic%20Countdown%20Banner/mockup.gif
[17:15] <emmajane> hrm.
[17:15] <emmajane> newz2000, http://search.ubuntu.com/ <--- is this the paid version? I can't figure out how I'd override the background image in the input text field.
[17:16] <knome> what background image? :P
[17:16] <newz2000> it was the paid version but we didn't renew (they wanted something like $70,000 per year) so it reverted to the normal version
[17:16] <emmajane> newz2000, good lord.
[17:17] <emmajane> newz2000, but weird on the bgimage. I guess you've got one of the XML settings files for it?
[17:17] <knome> gosh, thunderbird fails.
[17:17] <newz2000> I think there was just a line of js that I left out
[17:17]  * emmajane looks again
[17:17] <newz2000> a script tag that when excluded takes the watermark off
[17:19] <emmajane> hrm. I must have something idfferent.
[17:19] <emmajane> mine's just got:
[17:19] <emmajane> (erm trying to copy from vim)
[17:19] <knome> newz2000, sent mail to the ML
[17:21] <emmajane>  39 <!-- Google Custom Search Element -->
[17:21] <emmajane>  40 <div id="cse" class="grid_5 omega">Loading</div>
[17:21] <emmajane>  41 <script src="http://www.google.com/jsapi" type="text/javascript"></script>
[17:21] <emmajane>  42 <script type="text/javascript">
[17:21] <emmajane>  43   google.load('search', '1');
[17:21] <emmajane>  44   google.setOnLoadCallback(function(){
[17:21] <emmajane>  45     var cse = new google.search.CustomSearchControl();
[17:21] <emmajane>  46     cse.enableAds('009852948614216791564%3Adr5xzrczfnu');
[17:21] <emmajane>  47     cse.draw('cse');
[17:21] <emmajane>  48   }, true);
[17:21] <emmajane>  49 </script>
[17:21] <emmajane> ooooooooooooo channel spam
[17:22] <emmajane> cse.draw('cse') does the actual creation of the search box.
[17:23] <emmajane> so there's not a lot to remove from the widget I got.
[17:26] <emmajane> newz2000, ^^