[00:30] xubuntu have and dists without X? [00:31] (command line only) [00:55] hello === Guest60089 is now known as Nico_mdeo_uy [00:57] http://beranger.org/v3/wordpress/2009/02/27/not-the-best-friday/#more-581 [00:58] Is anything this guy says valid, like suspend/hibernate... that would be linux acpi specific or ??? [01:01] openbsd doesn't use hal eh [01:02] wrong channel :x [03:35] hai guise [03:36] out get [03:36] wat [03:36] :> [03:37] dont go breakin mah <3 [07:32] Other than Xubuntu uses XFCE instead of GDM, what makes it more suitable for older machines? [07:32] xubuntu use gdm too [07:33] ubuntu has gnome which needs more memory [07:33] but gnome use gdm also [07:33] sorry, I meant Gnome [07:34] if I were to use Gnome on xubuntu, would it be faster than using Gnome on ubuntu? [07:34] no [07:34] so the only difference is the window manager? [07:34] and some programs are different [07:36] yeah [07:36] OK, I guess that answers my query [07:36] Thank you! [07:43] anybody have any sperience w vuze, formerly azureus? [09:10] hello /bonjour [09:55] hi [11:34] hello, how do i remove this "New Item" icon from the Desktop? [11:39] dsdeiz: i never heard of such an icon [11:39] May you take a screenshot please ? [11:42] doing it now [11:43] http://yfrog.com/03200909091839101280x800sp <- here [11:44] i think you call it a panel? [11:59] dsdeiz: yes, this is a panel [12:00] dsdeiz: it looks like you deleted your top and bottom panel and added an empty one afterwards [12:00] (you or someone with access to your computer / this can also be a bug but i've just never seen that happening before) [12:01] dsdeiz: you can right click that panel, and click on 'Configure panel' if you want to restore it to the top / bottom, add another one, etc [12:01] yups. got it working now [12:01] however it might be faster to just destroy the current panel configuration and let xubuntu restore a new one [12:02] hmm, actually i have ubuntu and just installed xfce [12:02] oh [12:02] did you install xfce4 ? [12:02] yups [12:02] okey [12:02] you should have installed xubuntu-desktop instead :) [12:02] oh? [12:02] it comes with a default xfce configuration, which can be practical [12:02] dang [12:02] oh i see [12:02] i propose you to boot back to ubuntu+gnome [12:02] i'll check on it [12:03] then, delete .config/xfce4/ folder, and install xubuntu-desktop [12:03] so that the next time you boot on xfce you'll have a proper configuration setup [12:03] ahh, so with that, i get the xubuntu setup of xfce? [12:03] yes [12:04] And you'll have more XFCE applications installed than just the core [12:04] dang, why didn't i see that. ok, got it. thanks ;) [12:04] (xfce is very modular, xfce4 itself is only the panel, the file manager and the window manager) [12:04] is there like a list of what apps are being installed with xubuntu-desktop? [12:04] It will show you when you install it [12:05] Basically, aside from those you have, there are mousepad, abiword, gnumeric [12:05] and gpicview [12:05] of course you can delete those afterwards if you dont need them [12:05] (and also listen music player and orage calendar will be installed, which you can remove too if you dont need them. orage is cool though) [12:06] hmm, yeah. some gnome-apps are being listed too [12:07] anyways, i'm good with xfce4 for now. but i shall definitely install xubuntu-desktop on my other computer [12:07] get the xubuntu iso rather [12:09] (you can still install xubuntu-artwork on your machine though :P) [12:10] ahh, apt-get'ing it now [12:10] xfce4-appfinder xfce4-governor-plugin xfce4-mixer xfce4-screenshooter xfce4-settings and xfce4-xfapplet-plugin may also interest you [12:11] noo! stop! lolz. i think i actually have orage already :P [12:12] so how do i use this xubuntu-artwork? [12:12] it added a gtk theme, xfwm themes, a cool wallpaper, and most important of all, THE gdm theme [12:13] /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops/xubuntu-jaunty.png and xubuntu-jaunty-ws.png are now available === bittin__1 is now known as bittin- === bittin- is now known as bittin-_ === bittin-_ is now known as bittin- [13:55] hello, how do i make use of xubuntu-artwork again? [13:56] dsdeiz: once its installed it will just add a gdm theme, a wallpaper (in /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops/) and a gtk and icon themes [13:56] SiDi: so how do i try to change my icons? [13:56] so you can get them through the theming utilities available for each component [13:56] Applications -> Settings -> Appearence [13:56] same for the theme [13:56] GDM themes are in Applications -> System -> Login window [13:56] Wallpapers are in Applications -> Settings -> Desktop [13:57] The applications menu is automatically added with xubuntu-desktop but you can add it manually to your panel, it's the XFCE Menu [13:57] SiDi: i went for window in Appearance but it doesn't seem to change anything [13:57] Do you run compiz / metacity ? [13:58] (show me a screenshot of your windows please) [13:58] ok [14:00] http://img406.yfrog.com/i/200909092059401280x800s.png/ [14:01] is it like xfce's window manager that i need? [14:09] SiDi: ahh, got it working now [14:10] What is that window on your screenshot ? [14:10] I've never seen this [14:11] oh? that's what i got when i went to menu > Settings > Appearance. [14:11] maybe it's an app from Gnome? [14:15] What do you see if you type xfce4-appearence-settings in a terminal ? [14:15] Should look like the one on the right on this screenshot : http://imagebin.ca/view/SHRHBq-P.html [14:27] SiDi: i don't have that command [14:27] O.o [14:28] bash: xfce4-appearence-settings: command not found [14:28] yeah, what is that? haha [14:30] dsdeiz, looks like you have lxde. [14:30] ahh right [14:30] yeah, i also have that [14:30] :D [14:31] no, you're running it. [14:31] oh? [14:31] as it turns out, yes. [14:31] may i ask how would i know? [14:31] judged by how it looks. [14:31] i just actually found it in the xfce menu [14:31] this window you have shown me, its the LXDE appearence settings [14:32] I seriously recommend you to install xubuntu-desktop and to delete your ~/.config/xfce/ folder from your gnome / lxde session so you can start on sane bases [14:32] hmm, can i have two de's running? [14:32] no, but you can have apps from two DEs running, which seems to be the case [14:32] right [14:33] correct, though knome says i have it running [14:33] dsdeiz, it is possible you run xfce also, but this app is from lxde for sure [14:34] oh ok. right.. i think it's from lxde too [14:34] dsdeiz, anyway, you'd need to run the xfce appearance settings. [14:34] is it xfce-setting-show? [14:36] no, xfce4-appearance-settings [14:36] well, it isn't available on my case [14:36] You apparently lack xfce4-settings [14:36] i wouldnt be surprised if you lack many other things like xfce4-session [14:36] hmm, i have xfce4-session [14:37] though i've already found how to change its settings, so i'm good [14:37] thanks guys ;) [14:38] you're welcome [15:40] hii [15:40] please i got a question, would anybody help me? it's about my nic [15:44] !ask | miguelonnnn [15:44] miguelonnnn: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [15:45] hi ! ok ok [15:45] well, networkmanager lists the ap's, i can connect to them, and theres no problem at all, so i guess the kernel driver module is loaded well, and everything is fine [15:46] but the iwlist scan won't work , it keeps saying "interface doesn't support scaning" [15:46] it keeps saying "interface doesn't support scanning", i don't know how to solve it [15:52] miguelonnnn, maybe the interface really doesn't support scanning with the driver it uses at the moment. [15:52] miguelonnnn, if i remember correctly, some chipsets can use networks, but not scan them with open source drivers. [15:53] hmm [15:53] miguelonnnn, you should google for your wifi card/dongle and its linux-compatibility [15:53] but then why networkmanager can scan? [15:53] but i can connect to lans with the networkmanager applet [15:54] i've googled many times, but couldn't find any solution [15:54] but you can't do what then? [15:54] i can't scan with iwlist scan command [15:54] why should you do that? [15:54] because i don't like networkmanager [15:54] use wicd then, for example [15:55] it's too slow to detect wifi lans, i make it and it takes 15 -20 seconds to find it, [15:55] i'm not sure if iwlist would be any faster. [15:55] yeah, but anyway that doesn't solve the problem with iwlist, it should let me find scans, shouldn't it? [15:56] i simply get "interface doesn't support scaning" [15:56] i don't know, but to be honest, as long as networkmanager works for you, i have no intention to find out. if you want to get iwlist working, you should file a bug. [15:57] hmm and where do i send it? [15:57] !bugs | miguelonnnn [15:57] miguelonnnn: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » If that fails, you can report bugs manually at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots [15:57] mmm nice hehe thanks i'll try [15:57] but will they help me? [15:57] cause i don't thing this is a bug [15:58] there is no guarantee somebody will fix it right now. [15:59] hmmm then it won't help me, i don't thing this is a bug, it's simply something about my config [15:59] because airoscript neither lets me scan [15:59] miguelonnnn, did you use sudo with iwlisT? [15:59] i think it has to do with the way i use them, maybe i should config any file first or .... don't know [16:00] nope, w8 please i'll try [16:00] lol [16:00] that worked!!!!1 [16:00] yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhh how did you know? [16:00] i googled "iwlist interface doesn't support scanning" [16:00] and read the first search result [16:01] wow, nice try, i typed "interface doesn't suport scanning" and didn't find anything [16:01] which is from ubuntuforums.org [16:02] greattttt and it's much better than networkmanager, cause it tells me a lot of info: frequency, channel, mode, quality, bit rates... [16:02] my multimedia keys doesn't work? how to enable them? [16:02] mine neither, i can't even use funciton keys lol xd [16:02] abhifx, http://open.knome.fi/2009/07/05/panels-disappearing-and-other-frequently-asked-questions/ [16:03] abhifx, see the near bottom [16:03] miguelonnnn, function keys for what? [16:03] knome : ok m going to check it. thank you. [16:04] abhifx, you're welcome. hope it fixes your problem. [16:04] for f1, f2... you know [16:04] for example alt+f2 to runc ommands won't work [16:05] but hey, i'm not such exigent, i have enough if the usual keys work [16:05] knome : hmm... i didnt undertood.... i just couldnt make it work [16:06] abhifx, okay, so go into the keyboard settings [16:06] knome: i get the option of cancel. i think i am just too dumb, can you explain me a bit [16:07] knome : i am at the settings [16:07] abhifx, when you get the window with "cancel", you should press the multimedia key which you are setting. [16:08] knome : oh i did it, just had to press the key [16:08] abhifx, press which key? cancel? [16:08] knome : heh heh, well thank you very much [16:09] okay, no problem. [16:12] knome : is there a full list for all keys [16:13] abhifx, you mean all the keys in your keyboard? [16:13] abhifx, just look down ;) [16:13] knome : and i was wondering, your nick is knome... and i just visited the site knome...hmmm... whats the connection [16:13] i've written that article [16:13] knome : all the multimedia keys i.e. [16:13] it's my open source blog :) [16:14] do you mean the commands that should be linked with the keys? [16:15] knome : i mean my multimedia keys and their respective commands like for next, pause etc. btw nice blog [16:15] abhifx, that depends on your music player. [16:16] abhifx, which one you are using? (and thanks for the compliment) [16:17] knome, i use all of them, mostly banshee and songbird. i have the plugins installed [16:18] i don't know those apps, sorry. but i suppose at least banshee supports global shortcuts [16:19] abhifx, if you have a windows key on your kb, you can try WIN+B for next track [16:20] knome, but i have dedicated multimedia keys for that, i just want to know the command. [16:21] knome, like for volume up command was amixer sset Master 5%+ [16:23] abhifx, oh well, i'll install banshee. just a moment [16:24] knome, ahem... [16:25] abhifx, banshee --play [16:25] abhifx, banshee --previous, banshee --next, banshee --stop [16:26] abhifx, + see banshee --help-playback on terminal [16:26] knome, hmm... so it has to be per application [16:26] yes. [16:27] knome, thanks for your efforts.i really appreciate it [16:28] absolutely no problem. [16:29] knome, just 1 more question, are you somekind of developer of xubuntu? [16:30] abhifx, i'm the marketing lead [16:30] abhifx, working on artwork, websites, community and well.. marketing [16:31] knome, wow! can i add a suggestion [16:31] abhifx, sure [16:32] knome, i would love to see xubuntu looking less like gnomish. it looks more like mini gnome [16:33] abhifx, what could that difference be? [16:33] i think gnome is going bit away from the traditional DE look, where xfce on the other hand wants to stay in [16:34] knome, well the arrangement of the panels, menu etc [16:34] knome, actually when i installed xfce, i was hoping for some new experiance, but it felt like gnome [16:35] abhifx, well, it is a bit like gnome, i agree. [16:37] knome, anyway it was just a suggestion since you are also in the artwork department [16:37] yeah. i think this is more a suggestion/idea for the xfce team [16:37] we are thinking of a dark theme, but that is just a theme [16:41] knome, dark theme would be great, ooh and a dark special effect kinda wallpaper [16:42] knome, here is what i did, i made gnome look like...well...gnome like, kde looks like windows and i added cairo-dock at the bottom so it looks like a mac [16:44] abhifx, we have a good looking wallpaper ready ;) [16:46] knome, gud to hear. since i am a graphic artist i like to see a cool wallpaper. hope ur wallpaper meets the expectation [16:47] abhifx, see privmsg [16:50] knome, yeah i actually responded to ur prevois msg [16:50] abhifx, hmm, can't see the reply. [16:51] knome, wait i hv a crappy net, let me load the page [16:59] sorry for a long wait. the wallpaper is much better than current, albeit less flashy for my taste [17:03] knome, i just had a great idea for the wallpaper too, i will try in blender today. will tell you directly [17:12] okay [17:12] no problem [18:42] Hello. We are trying to install some HamRadio packages and need to know what Repositiories we need please. [18:42] I was going to edit 'sources.list' from UbuntuStudio which works, but didn't want to corrupt xubuntu... [18:49] [AmsG] brb [19:13] brb: Restarting === MrNaz` is now known as MrNaz [20:27] Hey i cant bind alt-a to switch to workspace 1? :O [20:27] but alt-s can i bind for workspace 2 etc etc === KittyKatt is now known as KittyKatt|Away [20:56] can u use emerald without compiz? [20:57] yes [20:57] cool [20:58] but i didn't get compiz without emerald :/ [20:58] yeah Im not sure this computer is fast enough for compiz