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| hyperair | mac_v: that's some extremely huge text you've sent in the email | 15:28 |
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| mac_v | hyperair: blame crappy yahoo ;p | 15:28 |
| hyperair | hahah =) | 15:28 |
| mac_v | had to dig that up from my old mails , hence had to send from yahoo ;) | 15:29 |
| hyperair | i see | 15:29 |
| hyperair | use a desktop client damnit ;-) | 15:29 |
| mac_v | hyperair: i do ,, BTW i use 2 ;p... but delete old mails \o/ | 15:30 |
| mac_v | thunderbird and evo ;p | 15:30 |
| hyperair | evolution... it's a pretty awesome app, if it didn't lag like hell | 15:30 |
| tedg | hyperair: The biggest difference from getting an SSD, Evolution doesn't suck :) | 15:31 |
| mac_v | yeah , as of late it has become good , still lacks webmail support i guess , oor i dont knwo about it ;p | 15:31 |
| mac_v | tedg: lol | 15:31 |
| hyperair | thunderbird's webmail support sucks | 15:31 |
| hyperair | even with the webmail plugin | 15:31 |
| mac_v | but atleast something is better than nothing ;) | 15:31 |
| hyperair | true that | 15:32 |
| mac_v | BTW , i have no probs with evo , i havent noticed any lags | 15:32 |
| hyperair | one thing that seriously annoys me is the whole series of processes taht get started up with evolution | 15:32 |
| hyperair | why does evolution need so goddamn many processes?! | 15:32 |
| hyperair | and then something or other will hang | 15:32 |
| hyperair | oh and did i mention that in the presence of a half-dead network, evolution won't even start up? | 15:32 |
| tedg | Lots of reasons. Responsiveness. Stability. Processes are good, and Linux makes the cheap. | 15:33 |
| mac_v | hyperair: what so many process are you talking about? | 15:33 |
| mac_v | the alarm notify is optional , the data server is not evolution btw | 15:33 |
| hyperair | tedg: except that evolution screws up so badly that responsiveness is nil with a bad network | 15:33 |
| tedg | I interviewed once with a company that was running 1 to 4 thousand processes for their app on Linux. It was pretty sweet. | 15:33 |
| hyperair | that's interesting | 15:33 |
| tedg | hyperair: That's a different bug though, not the fact that it has so many processes. | 15:34 |
| hyperair | point taken | 15:34 |
| hyperair | another thing | 15:34 |
| hyperair | one process for each evolution window is a *pain* | 15:34 |
| hyperair | a huge pain | 15:34 |
| mac_v | tedg: isnt it just 2 process to run evolution? | 15:34 |
| hyperair | when you open a new evolution window, with evolution already running, you'd expect it to be instantaneous! | 15:34 |
| hyperair | but every time you open a new window, it spawns a new process. i wouldn't care so much if the process initialized fast, but this takes AGES | 15:35 |
| mac_v | oh that ...! | 15:35 |
| tedg | mac_v: I've got four... and that's with no composers or anything. | 15:35 |
| mac_v | tedg: the alarm notify is optional and the data server is not evolution it is just a stupid name they have chosen :( | 15:36 |
| hyperair | oh and thunderbird 3.0 has a very sweet revamp of their authentification failed dialog (something evolution still doesnt have afaik) | 15:36 |
| tedg | Yes, they do take a long time to init. I'm unsure why that is. It might be the CORBA stuff (which is going away next release) | 15:36 |
| hyperair | when authentification fails for any reason (including a bad network), it asks me for my password again | 15:36 |
| tedg | mac_v: I'm pretty sure EDS is in the same source package... | 15:36 |
| hyperair | blargh, why can't it just use the same damn password and retry?! | 15:37 |
| hyperair | tedg: no it isn't | 15:37 |
| hyperair | oh yeah, eds is another pain in the ass, did i ever tell you that? | 15:37 |
| tedg | Hmm, I didn't realize it moved. | 15:38 |
| mac_v | tedg: nope... it is for "Evolution Data Server" is responsible for managing calendar and addressbook information. the name is misleading | 15:38 |
| hyperair | it's caused my entire panel to hang countless times | 15:38 |
| * tedg back when I was a kid... | 15:38 | |
| hyperair | i'd love to turn off the clock's calendar support. i really would | 15:38 |
| mac_v | tedg: even when evolution is removed the eds will remain | 15:38 |
| tedg | hyperair: If it was done right, and didn't hang, would you? | 15:39 |
| hyperair | course not. | 15:39 |
| hyperair | but the whole point is it *isn't* | 15:39 |
| tedg | I'd rather fix it then :) | 15:39 |
| hyperair | and oh god, who's brilliant idea was it to synchronously contact servers?! | 15:39 |
| hyperair | wtf is the big idea with hanging on a bloody lousy wireless connection?! | 15:40 |
| hyperair | glib's mainloop has a whole lot of async io stuff. why couldn't it have just used it? | 15:40 |
| hyperair | well that felt good now that i've gotten all those rants out of me =.= | 15:40 |
| tedg | hyperair: To be fair, when Evolution was written, it didn't :) | 15:41 |
| tedg | hyperair: It has migrated over time. It's just big and slow. | 15:41 |
| hyperair | tedg: *groan* | 15:41 |
| hyperair | tedg: then for the love of god, use *threads* damnit THREADS! | 15:41 |
| hyperair | imo evolution needs a rewrite from ground-up. | 15:41 |
| tedg | In the next release they're merging in Nokia's changes for the N900 (which uses EDS) so I'm expecting some good things :) | 15:42 |
| hyperair | if it'd do things asynchronously and not hang stupidly, i would consider using evolution again. | 15:42 |
| hyperair | i even had a evolution --force-shutdown shortcut bound in compiz back then, because of the frequent hangs | 15:43 |
| * mac_v wonders if evolution has themes | 15:44 | |
| tedg | While I have a hard time defending Evolution because of things that annoy me, but I am optimistic about the 2.30 version. | 15:44 |
| mac_v | the look is very bulky IMO | 15:44 |
| mac_v | appearance rather | 15:45 |
| hyperair | tedg: i'd only be optimistic if they got a bunch of developers who actually cared about having a crappy network | 15:45 |
| tedg | hyperair: You don't think that people developing an app to work over a 3G connection care about crappy networks? | 15:46 |
| ScottK | It was Evolution that got me on the way to being a confirmed KDE user. | 15:46 |
| mac_v | tedg: i had a weird problem once , all the old mails from my pop account got re-downloaded when i triggered a manual receive , so i ended up receiving 1000 mails! | 15:47 |
| tedg | Heh, Evolution got ScottK to devolve ;) | 15:47 |
| mac_v | lol^ | 15:47 |
| tedg | I do have to say that A thing I can't spell (bad name) from KDE is pretty cool. There was some talk about Evolution using it as a backend. Probably will never happen, but it'd be cool to have just one free software project doing mail. | 15:51 |
| ScottK | Akonadi | 15:53 |
| ScottK | It's actually meant to be desktop agnostic and has no KDE dependencies | 15:53 |
| tedg | Yeah, but I don't believe that anyone has written a GTK frontend yet. Atleast the last time I checked. | 15:54 |
| ScottK | It was kept off FDO because there was something there that sounded very vaguely similar, but is in fact completely different. | 15:54 |
| ScottK | I don't think so, but the GTK layer should be pretty thin. | 15:54 |
| tedg | How did the licensing there work? I imagine they linked to the OpenChange stuff, but doesn't that require the whole thing to be GPLv3? | 15:55 |
| tedg | I thought KDE stuff had to be v2/v3. | 15:55 |
| ScottK | That might be something Ayatana might consider for a future cycle as there is a lot we could do to improve user experience with it (also with a couchdb backend it could easily hook into UbuntuOne). | 15:56 |
| * ScottK looks | 15:56 | |
| tedg | In my experience, mail is never as thin as you think it should be :) | 15:56 |
| tedg | I think that there is already a CouchDB backend for Akonadi. I think they sat down with the Akonadi hackers at GCDS and did it. | 15:56 |
| tedg | Err, jono isn't here, but I thought he demoed it. | 15:57 |
| * tedg is sad there won't be a desktop summit this year. | 15:58 | |
| ScottK | lgpl 2 or later | 15:58 |
| ScottK | It was jcastro that demoed it. | 15:58 |
| tedg | Hmm, interesting. I wonder if they have an OpenChange plugin yet. I know Evolution had to go through a relicensing pain to get that plugin. | 15:59 |
| tedg | Who isn't here either :) Man, we're "outside the community" in this room ;) | 15:59 |
| hyperair | what's akonadi? | 16:10 |
| hyperair | it sounds vaguely familiar | 16:10 |
| hyperair | hmm | 16:10 |
| hyperair | akonadi depends on qt | 16:10 |
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