[00:06] <robert__> my internet works fine, frostwire and epiphany connect just fine
[00:06] <kei> hey, i have my /home dir on a sd card in my acer aspire one netbook... it use to work fine with 9.04, but with 9.10 the sd card isn't mounte after I wake the computer from suspend, which obviously causes all sorts of problems. Any idea what changed that might cause this?
[00:06] <robert__> whats the difference between epiphany browser and epiphany (gecko) browser?
[00:08] <robert__> firefox doesn't connect but epiphany does just fine
[00:08] <robert__> its the same thing to me just different name lol
[00:11] <Casandrax> komputes: Are you ?
[00:11] <komputes> dto: Casandrax: I want to test it. is it a package in karmic repos or is it a PPA?
[00:12] <Casandrax> komputes: Perhaps you should call it QT and make it proprietary ?
[00:12] <Casandrax> Eye, K-dood ?
[00:12] <komputes> Casandrax: cute
[00:13] <Casandrax> tsk
[00:13] <billybigrigger1> komputes, i doubt you'll find a package for gnome3
[00:13] <komputes> I heard it was supposed to be more mac-vista-ish
[00:13] <komputes> the look that is...
[00:13] <billybigrigger1> your best bet would be SVN or download the source from their git tree if they have one
[00:13] <Casandrax> QT- yeah... those guys are hopless :P
[00:13] <dto> komputes: the only real choice is to run their script that downloads and builds everything. however, it worked flawlessly.
[00:14] <dto> komputes: however i needed a proprietary radeon driver just to get the gnomeshell to work at all
[00:14] <Casandrax> LOL!
[00:14] <komputes> dto: does it create a deb package or just a dirty install from source?
[00:14] <Casandrax> komputes/dto: how fun can you get :P
[00:16] <Casandrax> "Dirty install from source" ? ... can it get any better and more clean then from source installs ?
[00:16] <komputes> Casandrax: yep, deb, easy to install and remove
[00:16] <dto> komputes: it installs everything into ~/gnome-shell
[00:17] <komputes> Casandrax: how do you remove from source after you do "make install"
[00:17] <Casandrax> newbie right ? .. how long have you been using open source for ?
[00:17] <komputes> dto: I don't want just the shell, I want the whole desktop environment
[00:17] <Casandrax> make uninstall
[00:17] <komputes> Casandrax: you serious?
[00:17] <Casandrax> from the source package
[00:17] <Casandrax> yes
[00:18] <robert__> anyone else having trouble with firefox connecting?
[00:18] <robert__> it tells me offline and i know its online
[00:18] <Casandrax> How many years have you been wandering our magnificent lands for ?
[00:18] <robert__> this is proof lol
[00:18] <komputes> Casandrax: point still stands, you need to keep the source to uninstall whereas debs are kept in the apt database and can be removed whenever
[00:19] <Casandrax> komputes: install, test, like: keep. install test doesnt like, make uninstall
[00:19] <Casandrax> Very easy
[00:19] <komputes> Casandrax: I need to play more with installing from source - thanks for the tip
[00:19] <Casandrax> Np, keep learning my friend
[00:20] <Casandrax> Knowledge of the many is often achieved by leaning much-
[00:20] <Casandrax> learning
[00:20] <billybigrigger1> current gnome is 2.27, gnome 2.30 aka gnome 3 is a long ways away
[00:20] <Casandrax> lol
[00:20] <billybigrigger1> i would imagine any current source you come across isnt that usable
[00:21] <billybigrigger1> http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentyseven#head-eda85ed115a20fa5894b0da945aab5497ff1e7dc
[00:21] <billybigrigger1> take a look at gnome schedule
[00:23] <Casandrax> gnome is very good, the best, but the chema crap is, well.... crap. Flat configuration files are always the best according to me. They also dont need all the dependencies we have now, like xml parser crap and such.
[00:24] <Casandrax> 76'er has spoken.
[00:41] <alteregoa> how can i made  a cronjob to renice the windows program fabcore.exe to 19?
[00:44] <edoceo> alteregoa: can you simply `nice $(pidof fabcore.exe)` ?
[00:50] <alteregoa> ok
[00:50] <alteregoa> no nice starts the fabcore
[00:51] <alteregoa> the fabcore gets started from within a wine program so i must use renice
[00:55] <Chester_> hi guys
[00:55] <mikm> howdy
[00:55] <alteregoa> yeah gnome 3 is something in 2020
[00:56] <Chester_> i need some help about gdm config : i have gnome kde xfce and enlightement on my laptop, and an update from the xfce project broke gdm.
[00:57] <Chester_> Basically, i can't choose anymore gnome, as it get kind of deleted
[00:57] <billybigrigger1> alteregoa, 2020?
[00:57] <Chester_> instead of having gnome and xfce, i have 2 xfce in my list :X
[00:58] <billybigrigger1> haha more like april '10
[00:58] <Chester_> any ideas ?
[00:58] <billybigrigger1> hmm
[00:58] <DanaG> hmm, try schedtool, for that "nice" issue?
[00:58] <billybigrigger1> Chester_, someone else had this problem today aswell
[00:58] <DanaG> What is fabcore?
[00:58] <billybigrigger1> he also ran kde xfce and gnome, using gdm
[00:58] <DanaG> Try editing whatever launches it, perhaps?
[00:58] <DanaG> or do you mean fahcore (folding@home)?
[01:00] <billybigrigger1> Chester_, have you tried $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[01:00] <billybigrigger1> ?
[01:00] <alteregoa> i man fabcore
[01:01] <alteregoa> dvdfab fabcore
[01:01] <Chester_> i'm gonna try
[01:01] <Chester_> see you in a minute :)
[01:01] <alteregoa> cause i cant find a gui program for linux to rip dvds to mkv
[01:02] <alteregoa> and cmdline sucks!
[01:02] <billybigrigger1> alteregoa, dvd::rip i think or something similar
[01:02] <billybigrigger1> and then use ffmpeg to re-encode dvd to mkv
[01:02] <billybigrigger1> i don't think you can directly rip to mkv
[01:06] <billybigrigger1> Chester__, did you get your gnome session back?
[01:07] <Chester__> nope
[01:07] <Chester__> i'm having a look @ logs
[01:08] <Amaranth> whee upstart native boot
[01:11] <billybigrigger1> Amaranth, ?
[01:12] <Amaranth> billybigrigger1: it's in testing still
[01:12] <Amaranth> step 1: make sure it works
[01:12] <Amaranth> step 2: make it faster
[01:12] <Amaranth> we're on step 1 :P
[01:15] <Chester__> ok i didn't figure out where is the problem, i probably need to reinstall gnome desktop env.
[01:17] <Chester__> ok
[01:17] <Chester__> dependencies problems
[01:17] <Chester__> gnome-desktop-environment:
[01:17] <Chester__>  Dépend: fast-user-switch-applet (>=2.22.0) but it is not installable
[01:17] <Chester__>  Recommande : fam mais ne doit pas être installé
[01:17] <Chester__> sorry for the partial french in it
[01:20] <Chester__> i don't know what to do
[01:20] <Chester__> i need a package i can't install :S
[01:21] <DanaG> hmm, you could try sudo aptitude reinstall ~n.*gnome.*   -- what that'll do, will be to reinstall anything with "gnome" in the name, but not install anything new.
[01:23] <Amaranth> wait, what are you trying to do?
[01:23] <Chester__> that'
[01:23] <Chester__> i need to get back my gnome
[01:24] <Amaranth> you don't want gnome-desktop-environment
[01:24] <Chester__> but my gnome session env. is not installed at the moment
[01:24] <Chester__> i do want it
[01:24] <Amaranth> no no, you don't want that package
[01:24] <Chester__> why :s?
[01:24] <Amaranth> that's a "pure" GNOME session
[01:24] <Amaranth> epiphany as web browser, etc
[01:25] <Amaranth> it's also synced from debian and we don't do anything to make it work
[01:25] <Chester__> aw ok
[01:26] <Amaranth> looks like we actually made some changes to it a couple releases back so it hasn't been synced from debian since then
[01:26] <Amaranth> thus it is broken
[01:26] <Amaranth> we're on GNOME 2.28, that's GNOME 2.22
[01:26] <alteregoa> i updated to grub now it wants to install lilo and mbr!
[01:26] <Amaranth> Chester__: What is the error you are getting?
[01:27] <alteregoa> i don't need lilo and mbr, i got grub2
[01:27] <Chester__> i don't really know what is my error actually, the only thing i know is that my gnome is missing in my gdm environement list
[01:27] <Amaranth> alteregoa: it's the kernel
[01:28] <Amaranth> Recommends: grub-pc | grub | lilo (>= 19.1)
[01:28] <Chester__> plus i have 2 entries for xfce
[01:28] <Amaranth> it will only install lilo if you don't have grub-pc or grub installed
[01:28] <Amaranth> Chester__: Do they both boot into XFCE?
[01:28] <Chester__> yes
[01:29] <alteregoa> i got grub-pc installed
[01:29] <alteregoa> im not that stupid
[01:29] <Amaranth> alteregoa: the only other things that could pull it in are mkrboot and mindi
[01:30] <Amaranth> Chester__: /usr/share/xsessions/gnome.desktop is provided by the gnome-session package
[01:30] <alteregoa> i check that
[01:30] <Amaranth> Chester__: sudo apt-get reinstall gnome-session
[01:30] <alteregoa> if its not in?
[01:30] <Amaranth> alteregoa: *shrug*
[01:30] <Amaranth> alteregoa: Only thing I can think of after that is apt bug
[01:31] <alteregoa> yeah its a apt bug
[01:31] <alteregoa> is there a way to blacklist those mbr and lilo?
[01:31] <Amaranth> alteregoa: file a bug
[01:31] <Amaranth> alteregoa: no, not really
[01:31] <lordmetroid> http://pastebin.com/d5c84b3f5 what is wrong here?
[01:32] <lordmetroid> Why can I not install eclipse?
[01:32] <Amaranth> alteregoa: does it happen with aptitude?
[01:32] <alteregoa> i have no clue with this aptitude stuff
[01:33] <Amaranth> alteregoa: you could pin them using /etc/apt/preferences, I guess
[01:33] <Amaranth> alteregoa: see man apt_preferences
[01:33] <Amaranth> alteregoa: What command are you trying to run with apt that is wanting to install lilo?
[01:33] <alteregoa> i use synaptic not apt
[01:33] <alteregoa> i hate command line
[01:33] <Amaranth> alteregoa: Ok, what are you trying to do with synaptic?
[01:34] <alteregoa> reload and apply
[01:34] <Amaranth> no, apply does something
[01:34] <Amaranth> what are you trying to apply?
[01:34] <alteregoa> then i see on the list - to install lilo and mbr
[01:34] <Amaranth> you clicked something before that
[01:34] <Amaranth> you could just close synaptic and start over
[01:34] <alteregoa> but i don't click install, cause i think this would mess up the system
[01:35] <Amaranth> alteregoa: What did you click to make apply want to do something?
[01:35] <DanaG> hmm, you might wanna' go to "forget marked changes".
[01:35] <Amaranth> Chester__: did reinstall help?
[01:35] <alteregoa> ok
[01:40] <lordmetroid> Anyone else have problems install Eclipse like I have?
[01:40] <lordmetroid> http://pastebin.com/d5c84b3f5
[01:42] <Amaranth> lordmetroid: yes
[01:42] <lordmetroid> hmm
[01:42] <Amaranth> lordmetroid: last I heard eclipse was going to be removed from the archive since it is not maintained
[01:42] <lordmetroid> I see, to bad, it is a nice IDE
[01:43] <Amaranth> lordmetroid: just download it from the website
[01:43] <lordmetroid> Yes, but that is not the Ubuntu way
[01:43] <MTecknology> What is the latest kernel in 9.04?
[01:43] <MTecknology> !info linux-image-2.6.31-9-generic jaunty
[01:44] <MTecknology> !info linux-image-2.6.31-9-generic karmic
[01:44] <MTecknology> ok - nevermind - thanks ubottu
[01:44] <Amaranth> lordmetroid: In this case it is broken because gcj 4.2 has been removed from the archive
[01:44] <Amaranth> lordmetroid: Hopefully it just needs a rebuild
[01:47] <lordmetroid> Amaranth, how do one do that and uploads a patch for it?
[01:48] <lordmetroid> Hmm, I never done any packaging before
[01:48] <Amaranth> lordmetroid: you don't
[01:48] <lordmetroid> maybe I am not the right guy
[01:48] <Amaranth> iirc it's an automatic thing
[01:48] <Amaranth> well, not automatic so much, I guess
[01:49] <MTecknology> what was the issue in linux-image-2.6.31-9-generic ?
[01:49] <MTecknology> what was the issue in linux-image-2.6.31-9-generic ?
[01:49] <MTecknology> sorry for repeat
[01:49] <lordmetroid> It can't be automatic, someone has to compile things and write the package dependencies, right?
[01:49] <Amaranth> MTecknology: the fact that linux-image-2.6.31-10-generic exists?
[01:50] <MTecknology> Amaranth: I know there was an issue with trying to impliment a memory thing, but I forgot what it was called
[01:50] <Amaranth> lordmetroid: hopefully the dependencies on certain versions of gcj are configured at build time so it just needs a rebuild
[01:51] <Amaranth> MTecknology: badram patches?
[01:51] <MTecknology> it was somethign to optimize memory pages I think
[01:51] <Amaranth> MTecknology: the only major difference between -9 and -10 is an intel bug fix, afaik
[01:52] <Amaranth> MTecknology: I really have no idea what you're talking about :P
[01:52] <MTecknology> KSM!
[01:52] <Amaranth> ksm?
[01:52] <MTecknology> !ksm
[01:53] <MTecknology> kernel shared memory
[01:53] <Amaranth> MTecknology: expand the macro :)
[01:53] <MTecknology> I'LL FIND THE BUG
[01:53] <MTecknology> s/CAPS/nocaps/
[01:54] <Amaranth> MTecknology: anything in particular about kernel shared memory? :)
[01:54] <MTecknology> bug 418781
[01:56] <Amaranth> ah, security nut :)
[01:56] <MTecknology> :P
[01:56] <MTecknology> it wasn't fixed - just deferred for 10.04
[01:56] <dto> hmm, was a new kernel just pushed out?
[01:56] <dto> it had to restart after i just updated, but i didn't catch whether a kernel came
[01:57] <dto> maybe i should try the realtime kernel again?
[01:58] <Amaranth> MTecknology: the KSM patchset was deferred for 10.04
[01:58] <MTecknology> ya
[01:58] <Amaranth> MTecknology: so the bug is fixed, encrypted partitions should work again
[01:58] <MTecknology> yup
[01:58] <Amaranth> MTecknology: you want the ksm patchset?
[01:58] <MTecknology> My only system is using LUKS and on Karmic
[02:01] <MTecknology> anyway - answered the bug - time for homework
[02:01] <IndyGunFreak> i'm thinkin i might install Karmic on my laptop... i can dea w/ the intel graphics issues, the intel audio is a bit more annoying
[02:04] <MTecknology> I need a stable system for college - so I use karmic :P
[02:05] <DanaG> the only encryption I use, is truecrypt.
[02:05] <DanaG> And only for stuff that I specifically want to encrypt.
[02:10] <MTecknology> I use LUKS, ecryptfs, for trasmitting I use truecrypt
[02:11] <MTecknology> I suppose if I wanted I could do drive level, truecrypt hidden volume, and pgp
[02:11] <MTecknology> of all those - pgp is probably safest :P
[02:11] <MTecknology> gpg*
[02:32] <lokad> hi
[02:32] <bucky> woo hoo! 2.6.31 kernel is out
[02:32] <lokad> someone here with grub-debug-foo?
[02:33] <bucky> i use old grub 1 so i don't know
[02:33] <lokad> since 1.97~beta2 it refuses to boot
[02:33] <bucky> is this with ext4 ?
[02:33] <lokad> boot on ext2 root on ext4
[02:33] <mikm> lokad: What error are you getting?
[02:34] <lokad> It only gets to "GRUB loading." then immediately restarts the system
[02:34] <lokad> So no menu or anything
[02:34] <mikm> Ah
[02:35] <lokad> I've already played a bit with different "modules" settings but nothing helps
[02:38] <lokad> bucky: thx anyway
[02:38] <bucky> lokad, google for rootfs=ext4  in /etc/grub.cfg
[02:39] <bucky> or something like that
[02:39] <mikm> You meant /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[02:39] <bucky> thats it
[02:40] <worlock_> hey!
[02:40] <lokad> mikm: in grub legacy that would mean stage2 not found
[02:40] <lokad> don't think thats that ... grub 1.96 works
[02:40] <lokad> (same config)
[02:41] <worlock_> check the kernel dir
[02:41] <worlock_> maybe is this
[02:41] <worlock_> somebody knows why desapears the menu icons under GNOME???
[02:42] <drs305> worlock_: Run this: gconftool-2 --set --type=bool /desktop/gnome/interface/menus_have_icons  true
[02:42] <lokad> I think there must be something wrong with core.img
[02:43] <worlock_> but this will be a default config for karmic or is jut temporal??
[02:43] <drs305> worlock_: It was a dev decision to get rid of the icons. You can get them back with the above or Sys >Prefs > Appear : Interface
[02:44] <lokad> default karmic config. I only had to remove 1.97 specific uuid stuff (search --uuid ...) and manually set the kernel root
[02:45] <lokad> (default -> grub-mkconfig)
[02:45] <worlock_> I read some about that...
[02:46] <worlock_> but is more easy to find options looking for icons... I just think so...
[02:46] <worlock_> :P
[02:48] <lokad> just tried with upstream grub2 - doesn't work either :-(
[02:52] <bucky> lokad,  do you have a /boot/grub/menu.lst~  <- backup file?
[02:55] <hggdh> any left-handed here?
[03:01] <DanaG> ugh, USB data transfers are annoyingly slow, for some reason.
[03:01] <DanaG> I mean, slower than usual.
[03:01] <DanaG> Slower than in Windows, for example.
[03:03] <DanaG> It's also giving absurdly high iowait.
[03:03] <DanaG> The system load average is 8.
[03:04] <billybigrigger> i was going to say complain about that earlier today
[03:04] <billybigrigger> i thought it was just my flash drive
[03:04] <DanaG> Nope, I'm starting to think otherwise.
[03:05] <billybigrigger> i didn't look to far into it as usb transfers have always been slow for me in karmic
[03:05] <DanaG> It's been sitting at the same percent-done for quite a while.
[03:05] <billybigrigger> how big is the file your transfering?
[03:05] <DanaG> It's a collection of files, 1.5GB.
[03:05] <billybigrigger> i took me probably close to 10 mins to transfer 700mb
[03:05] <billybigrigger> 1 file for me
[03:05] <DanaG> It's on a new device (Cowon S9), so I don't know how fast it's actually supposed to be.
[03:05] <billybigrigger> it was file, all the way until the last 100mb took forever
[03:06] <DanaG> It's been saying "556.7 MB of 1.5GB -- 6 minutes left (2.4 MB/sec) for the past 5 or so minutes.
[03:07] <billybigrigger> that looks too familiar :)
[03:08] <DanaG> In fact, even a 'cp' is being seemingly faster.
[03:09] <DanaG> at least I can see (with wmhdplop) some disk activity.
[03:10] <billybigrigger> wmdhplop? haha thats new to me
[03:14] <dotblank> hey anyone got eclipse working?
[03:14] <dotblank> eclipse has unmet deps in karmic it seems
[03:16] <billybigrigger> wow, 2.6.31 went stable sometime today
[03:16] <billybigrigger> i just checked this morning and told someone to grab 2.6.30.5 as it was latest stable haha
[03:18] <DanaG> hmm, the actual transfer speed is about the same in Windows, actually.
[03:18] <bucky> billybigrigger cool new features http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_31
[03:18] <DanaG> BUt at least I can do two transfers at once without them both getting stuck.
[03:18] <billybigrigger> bucky, i've been using 31 since rc1 :P i'
[03:18] <billybigrigger> m aware of the features
[03:19] <bucky> billybigrigger you got ati card?
[03:19] <billybigrigger> negative my friend
[03:19] <billybigrigger> nvidia here
[03:19] <billybigrigger> no kms for me :(
[03:19] <bucky> wonder how the new ati driver works in the kernel
[03:19] <billybigrigger> dunno
[03:20] <billybigrigger> for some it works, others not so well
[03:20] <Amaranth> fedora has nvidia KMS
[03:22] <billybigrigger> might just have to give fedora a go :)
[03:23] <bucky> Amaranth, how well does it work?
[03:23] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[03:23] <Amaranth> CUSE looks pretty awesome
[03:23] <billybigrigger> cuse?
[03:24] <bucky> yup... but do you really need it if you have a good audio card
[03:24] <Amaranth> bucky: uh, yes
[03:24] <Amaranth> bucky: it lets pulseaudio do proper OSS emulation
[03:24] <bucky> interestingly pulseaudio is the only frontend that can use it now apparently
[03:25] <bucky> oh.. well that is cool
[03:25] <Amaranth> billybigrigger: you've been using 2.6.30 since rc1, you know all the features, right? :)
[03:25] <billybigrigger> 31
[03:25] <billybigrigger> ALL the features? haha no not all
[03:25] <bucky> you know.. i've been around for a little while but i am impressed with how good linux is getting lately
[03:26] <billybigrigger> i know intel/radeon have kms support, the butterfs is new, uhh my gspca webcam doesn't work since rc1...
[03:26] <billybigrigger> s/31/30
[03:27] <bucky> i bought a cheap multimedia keyboard on an impulse buy and all the keys work... plug and play
[03:27] <billybigrigger> it all boils down to the distro
[03:28] <bucky> i915 : Change GEM throttling to be 20ms (improves high-settings openarena performance on my GM45 by 50%)
[03:29] <bucky> Add rv740 drm support
[03:29] <billybigrigger> DanaG, you have that wmhdplop in your taskbar? or just running in its own small window?
[03:30] <DanaG> I just run it in a window.
[03:30] <DanaG> wmhdplop -c2 -g128x128.
[03:30] <DanaG> sets color scheme to a nicer one.
[03:31] <billybigrigger> haha how do you tell your xfer rate from that? lol
[03:34] <billybigrigger> ahh i see now
[04:07] <crimsun> PulseAudio 0.9.16 is available in the ubuntu-audio-dev PPA
[04:11] <bucky> hi crimsun
[04:25] <ShapeShifter499> Hi
[04:25] <bucky> IH
[04:26] <bucky> nice packages crimsun.. thank you
[04:27] <ShapeShifter499> I tried hooking up my ipod(nano 2gb 2gen) to my acer aspire one netbook with ubuntu karmic alpha 5 on it, and when ever I try accessing any files on my ipod either though a media player or nautilus it gives me a "internal data flow" error, now what the heck does that mean??
[04:28] <bucky> probably a permissions problem.. i never tried that so i don't know
[04:29] <ShapeShifter499> oh and a note, I have been able to play music on my ipod even after this error, I know this because I'm using my ipod right now
[04:29] <ShapeShifter499> well if its a permission prob how do I fix it?
[04:29] <ShapeShifter499> chmod?
[04:30] <ShapeShifter499> on its dev file?
[04:30] <aboSamoor> My external mic is still not working with PA 0.9.16, after purging PA it works charmly :)
[04:31] <ShapeShifter499> or what
[04:31] <ShapeShifter499> ?
[04:31] <ShapeShifter499> I don't what to loose my music
[04:34] <Amaranth> I wonder if we're going to use OSS Proxy
[04:36] <ShapeShifter499> anyone?
[04:41] <ShapeShifter499> oh nvm
[04:41] <ShapeShifter499> I'll fix it
[04:41] <ShapeShifter499> somehow
[04:44] <alksjdfasdfa> hello
[04:56] <Name141> Is it possible to put karmic on a USB stick to boot live?
[04:56] <Name141> (yet)
[04:57] <alksjdfasdfa> don't know i can't even get it to boot off a live cd
[04:57] <Name141> I just wanted to see if my NIC module was fixed yet
[04:57] <Name141> It isn't showing fixed at the bug report
[04:57] <Name141> so I doubt it
[04:57] <Name141> It broke when it went to Intrepid and still is in Jaunty
[04:57] <Name141> So I said screw that and didn't want to run old software (hardy)
[04:58] <alksjdfasdfa> hmmm
[04:58] <Name141> installed XP
[04:58] <Name141> http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11998
[04:58] <Name141> it worked fine in hardy
[04:58]  * Name141 shrugs
[04:58] <alksjdfasdfa> everything worked on 9.04, can't even get 9.10 to boot
[04:59] <Name141> Some people told me to see if the newer kernel in karmic would work
[04:59] <alksjdfasdfa> i swear every time they release a new version they break more stuff then they fix
[04:59] <billybigrigger> argh
[04:59] <billybigrigger> anyone here use rawdisk mode in virtualbox?
[05:01] <SwedeMike> Name141: didn't live work with karmic before? I thought that was the standard way (I put 9.04 on an usb stick yesterday with unetbootin and it became a "live" when I booted it)
[05:12] <ShapeShifter499> ok I give
[05:12] <ShapeShifter499> can't get my ipod working
[05:13] <pantaloon> i have a stupid question: does karmic fix the intel video chipset/xorg fiasco?
[05:23] <billybigrigger> pantaloon, intel gfx are good in karmic i've heard
[05:24] <ShapeShifter499> help my ipod won't work
[05:24] <ShapeShifter499> re-asking from earlier
[05:25] <DanaG> ugh, when doing multiple file operations at once, gnome file-copy thingy slows down quite horribly.
[05:26] <pantaloon> billybigrigger, thanks...i'll find out soon
[05:26] <pantaloon> installing right now
[05:26] <pantaloon> i also found the xorg edgers driver
[05:26] <ShapeShifter499> I have a ipod(2gb 2gen nano) and I'm trying to connected to my acer aspire one with ubuntu karmic alpha 5 on it, and I get this error "internal data flow error" now what is that and how do I fix?
[05:26] <pantaloon> so if it still doesn't work, i can try that
[05:27] <DanaG> System load average is 12.96.
[05:28] <DanaG> And some of the file copy operations have been sitting at "0 seconds left" for over a minute.
[05:28] <Gamarok__> bonjour
[05:29] <DanaG> avahi!
[05:29] <pantaloon> ShapeShifter499, did you try mounting the ipod manually
[05:29] <DanaG> (sorry, that's a nerdy joke.)
[05:29] <ShapeShifter499> no
[05:29] <ShapeShifter499> how do I do that?
[05:30] <legend2440> is ext4 the default in karmic?
[05:31] <pantaloon> if you originally set up your ipod on a windows machine it should have fat32 and should mount just like an external hdd
[05:32] <ShapeShifter499> so I unmount than
[05:32] <ShapeShifter499> what?
[05:36] <pantaloon> so it's mounting properly?
[05:36] <pantaloon> what software is throwing the error?
[05:37] <ShapeShifter499> all media players
[05:38] <ShapeShifter499> the media players are giving me the errors
[05:39] <wastrel> my card reader didn't work i tried it today
[05:40] <ShapeShifter499> one thing is odd the Palimpsest Disk Utility is saying there are 2 partitions on my ipod
[05:41] <ShapeShifter499> one thats 1.9 gb and one that is not readable and at  99 mb big
[05:41] <pantaloon> have you tried using xine? instead of gstreamer apps?
[05:43] <ShapeShifter499> no
[05:43] <pantaloon> it could be your decoder
[05:44] <ShapeShifter499> how do i tell?
[05:44] <pantaloon> try a different one
[05:44] <ShapeShifter499> how?
[05:45] <quentusrex> anyone know what happened to the package: nvidia-glx-ia32
[05:45] <quentusrex> ?
[05:46] <quentusrex> I'm trying to run wine under karmic, and I need that package for 32 games...
[05:47] <pantaloon> ShapeShifter499, go into Synaptic and search for xine
[05:47] <ShapeShifter499> and thats it?
[05:48] <pantaloon> yeah, then install the packages and test
[05:52] <ShapeShifter499> ok
[05:53] <ShapeShifter499> installing right
[05:53] <ShapeShifter499> ]now
[05:53] <ShapeShifter499> brb
[06:06] <billybigrigger> DanaG, usb transfers suck
[06:06] <DanaG> yeah.
[06:06] <DanaG> I made it a bit better by using the "Deadline" scheduler instead of CFQ.
[06:07] <DanaG> I had to go to /sys/block/sdc/queue
[06:07] <billybigrigger> according to your little app there i was getting 100MB/sec constant, peaking around 150/160MB/sec between 2 sata ext4 disks
[06:07] <DanaG> oh, and if you try to do two file-transfer actions to or from the same device at the same time, in Nautilus.... it chokes rather thoroughly.
[06:07] <billybigrigger> haha i wouldn't dream of doing 2 xfers to usb
[06:08] <DanaG> Works fine in Windows -- granted, it takes a bit longer, total time, than it would take separately.
[06:08] <DanaG> But in Linux, it seems to take an absurdly, exponentially much greater time.  Like, into the 7 hours range.
[06:09] <DanaG> And it'll sit there, not even updating the progress text, for ages... saying "0 seconds left" for like 15 minutes.
[06:12] <billybigrigger> hehe i still don't get how to read the blobs
[06:12] <billybigrigger> that whole graphing scheme doesn't make much sense
[06:13] <mostafa_> hey there
[06:14] <mostafa_> can any one help me with my problem
[06:15] <mostafa_> I just update my packages and I got this message after
[06:16] <mostafa_> the following linux cammand line was extracted from /etc/default/grub or the 'kopt' parameter in grub legacy's menu.lst. please verify that it is correct and modify it if necessary
[06:18] <billybigrigger> i've never heard of the grub command, or kernel parameter kopt
[06:18] <billybigrigger> you'd better look into that one and see if you need it
[06:19] <billybigrigger> you would have had to manually enter that i'm thinking
[06:21] <virtuald> kopt is the default kernel command line in grub legacy
[06:21] <billybigrigger> mostafa_, all that is saying is that it detected that you have entered the kopt parameter in legacy grub's menu.lst, and that it wants to enter it into its (Grub2) configuration
[06:21] <billybigrigger> virtuald, ok then, i don't remember much of legacy grub :)
[06:22] <virtuald> in the debianised menu.lst
[06:29] <mostafa_> billybigrigger: oh excuse me for being late can you describe how to add?
[06:29] <legend2440> in order to upgrade from jaunty to karmic do i need to convert ext3 to ext4 first?
[06:31] <virtuald> legend2440, no
[06:32] <virtuald> Afk low batt
[06:33] <legend2440> virtuald: ok thanks. so will ext3 be converted to ext4 during the upgrade? or will the partition just stay ext3?
[06:34] <virtuald> It'll stay ext3 untill you manually upgrade
[06:34] <legend2440> virtuald: ok thanks
[06:34] <ShapeShifter499> I got to go
[06:34] <ShapeShifter499> bye
[07:12] <mostafa_> do anyone know where jockey save the downloaded files?
[07:53] <alteregoa> heh
[07:53] <alteregoa> how can i mount a iso?
[07:55] <alteregoa> its easy to upgrade to ext4
[08:07] <MindVirus> Is it just me or does PulseAudio freeze every few minutes?
[08:08] <dto> MindVirus: what kind of freezing? temporary cut-out or skip?
[08:08] <MindVirus> dto: Sound stops working. PulseAudio CPU usage goes to 100%. I have to kill -9 it.
[08:09] <dto> :( ah, not the same problem i was having.
[08:09] <dto> with mine, an irq conflict was causing a short audio "hang" every 2 minutes
[08:12] <MindVirus> Too bad.
[08:12] <dto> i tried a bunch of kernel boot options to fix it, eventually i just moved the audio cable to another USB port
[08:12] <dto> :)
[08:13] <rothchild> upgrade to karmic went very smoothly but I can't see why it's disabled the touchpad on my laptop from being tapped, can anyone point me in the right direction?
[08:13] <dto> rothchild: go to System, Preferences, Mouse, Touchpad, click "enable mouse clicks with touchpad" or something similar
[08:13] <dto> rothchild: the mouse options changed around in karmic apparently
[08:14] <dto> ok, now i have my own question
[08:14] <rothchild> thanks dto, i was looking in the keyboard settings! Forgot it's actually a mouse!
[08:14] <dto> :)
[08:15] <billybigrigger> all Pulseaudio users should be using the ubuntu-audio-dev PPA
[08:15] <dto> billybigrigger: where do I find that?
[08:15] <billybigrigger> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/ppa
[08:16] <billybigrigger> alteregoa, you need help mounting an iso?
[08:16] <billybigrigger> !iso alteregoa
[08:16] <billybigrigger> oooh burn haha
 To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[08:17] <billybigrigger> alteregoa, also, i don't recommend converting an ext3 partition to ext4...your far better off, and will have less potential problems if you just create a clean fresh ext4 partition
[08:18] <billybigrigger> and a hint to all you guys having problems with pulseaudio with freezing and cutting out, kill pulse
[08:19] <billybigrigger> or do something like make a keybind like i did, System>Preferences>Keyboard shortcuts, create a shortcut like Ctrl-Alt-P and have it run the command "killall pulseaudio"
[08:19] <dto> billybigrigger: alteregoa i think you can rightclick on the iso file in nautilus and choose archive mounter, it works sort of like the mac feature
[08:19] <billybigrigger> you don't need to kill -9 the pid because pulseaudio is started via your user
[08:20] <billybigrigger> dto, i prefer command line :P
[08:20] <billybigrigger> i try to push my habits on others haha
[08:20] <dto> :)
[08:21] <billybigrigger> CLI is such a powerful tool once you get the hang of it
[08:21] <dto> btw folks let me say i am really impressed with the new ubuntu, gnome, etc and all that. the complete picture is really cool.
[08:21] <dto> billybigrigger: ok i upgraded to the audio dev ppa
[08:21] <billybigrigger> i'd killall pulseaudio after upgrading
[08:21] <dto> billybigrigger: should i log out and log back in?
[08:21] <billybigrigger> no need
[08:21] <billybigrigger> alt-f2 then type killall pulseaudio
[08:22] <billybigrigger> watch your speaker in the tray
[08:22] <billybigrigger> it takes about 5 secs on my machine, but it will disappear and re-appear
[08:22] <billybigrigger> meaning pulseaudio has been killed, and restarted
[08:22] <billybigrigger> or type $ killall pulseaudio in a terminal
[08:22] <dto> billybigrigger: done
[08:22] <billybigrigger> cool
[08:23] <billybigrigger> 1:22AM time for bed :P
[08:23] <dto> billybigrigger: ok, i'm still having the same problem. it doesn't see the inputs on
[08:23] <dto> wait! :(
[08:23] <billybigrigger> ahh
[08:23] <dto> on the fast track pro
[08:23] <dto> USB audio from the M-audio corp
[08:23] <billybigrigger> let me go grab a smoke, type out your problem, ill be back
[08:23] <dto> It says stereo output instead of stereo duplex and i can't choose it for audio input.
[08:23] <dto> ok :)
[08:24] <billybigrigger> holy crap
[08:24] <billybigrigger> what's with the m-audio users today?
[08:24] <billybigrigger> your the 3rd i believe
[08:24] <dto> wow.
[08:24] <dto> well their stuff all works really well with linux
[08:24] <billybigrigger> why are those cards so popular? are they laptop onboard or what?
[08:24] <billybigrigger> ahhh makes sense
[08:25] <billybigrigger> well i know ubuntu's audio dev dtchen has an m-audio board, and he commits to that PPA on a regular basis
[08:25] <dto> the sound quality is good. right now without standing/leaning i can reach out and touch 3 different M-Audio products.
[08:25] <billybigrigger> he would be the one to talk to about that, and that is who i've been pointing everyone else too...im not much of a linux audio guru
[08:25] <billybigrigger> ok, you have a few tools at your disposal here :)
[08:25] <dto> (5" powered monitor speakers, a USB Fast Track Pro, and an Axiom 49
[08:25] <dto> i have tons and tons of hardware to test ubuntu on
[08:25] <billybigrigger> take a look at these apps, padevchooser, pavucontrol
[08:26] <billybigrigger> hehe
[08:26] <billybigrigger> pavumeter is another
[08:26] <dto> billybigrigger: installing
[08:26] <dto> what should i do with devchooser
[08:27] <billybigrigger> i remember one person saying they had to disable m-audio device to get internal sound working properly
[08:27] <billybigrigger> which is a short fix, come back tomorrow and look around for dtchen, he might also be in #ubuntu-devel
[08:28] <billybigrigger> dto, paman is a good one too
[08:28] <billybigrigger> the devchooser isn't so much important but it might be
[08:28] <billybigrigger> but it's a front-end to most of the PA tools
[08:29] <billybigrigger> paman, pavucontrol, pavumeter
[08:29] <dto> my internal sound works fine. if you turn off the m-audio while rhythmbox is playing, it skips to the onboard speakers without missing a single note
[08:29] <billybigrigger> just m-audio is choppy?
[08:29] <billybigrigger> anywho
[08:29] <billybigrigger> im done my smoke, i'm off to bed! good luck :P
[08:29] <billybigrigger> peace
[08:30] <dto> gnight
[08:30] <dto> m-audio playback works fine, but it won't see the inputs in devchooser
[08:30] <dto> also there are 4 outputs :( not just 2
[08:45] <dto> hi. i can't seem to configure dual-head properly on this laptop with a vga output. when running in dualhead it detects the built in laptop LCD as 1024x768 even though it's 1366x768, so the resolution is wrong and it's all blurry. the external monitor works fine and runs at its native resolution. in the extra Multiple Screens dialog box i installed, trying to set up a dual-head display results in "user tried to set screen size larger
[08:45] <dto> than max-size"
[08:50] <DKcross> :)
[08:51] <DKcross> asumo que solo aquí hay 203 personas testing karmic koala
[08:51] <DKcross> impresionante
[08:51] <DKcross> :D
[08:52] <Wistful> dto: Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf manually.
[09:01] <dto> ok, i got dual head working, but only because I edited xorg.conf's "virtual" line myself. it was set to 2048 2048 when what it needed was 2726 768
[09:01] <dto> perhaps i can help fix this?
[09:02] <dto> ... so that the screens dialog knows how to fix it?
[09:15] <mostafa_> does anyone know where jockey saves its downloaded files?
[09:36] <Branko> hi
[09:36] <Branko> i have some issues with karmic release
[09:36] <Branko> can anyone help please?
[09:38] <Branko> anybody...
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[09:42] <Branko> hi
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> sup
[09:42] <Branko> is this channel for karmic release problems?
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> yes
[09:42] <Branko> ok
[09:43] <cbmuser> 2.6.31 is finally out :)
[09:43] <Branko> so i have this issue this morning, first it start with flashplugin
[09:43] <Branko> firefox asked me to install new one (for some reason)
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> ok wassup with flash?
[09:43] <Branko> i downloaded .deb package from adobe
[09:43] <Branko> and when i tried to install, corrupt error message came out
[09:44] <ActionParsnip> Branko: the deb is a bit weird imho
[09:44] <ActionParsnip> Branko: dpkg -l | grep flash
[09:44] <ActionParsnip> Branko: uninstall those packages
[09:44] <Branko> ok
[09:44] <ActionParsnip> Branko: is there any output with: dpkg -l |grep gnash
[09:44] <Branko> i'l try, but now i can't even make update or nothing
[09:44] <ActionParsnip> Branko: of: dpkg -l | grep swf
[09:45] <Branko> no output with dpkg -l |grep gnash
[09:45] <Branko> no output with dpkg -l | grep swf
[09:46] <Branko> i'v tried sudo dpkg -i install_flash_player_10_linux.deb
[09:46] <Branko> but with no luck
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> ok thats cool
[09:46] <Branko> i continue to get this message: Remove package in bad state
[09:46] <Branko> The package 'adobe-flashplugin' is in an inconsistent state and needs to be reinstalled, but no archive can be found for it. Do you want to remove this package now to continue
[09:46] <Branko> i click yes
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> ok run: sudo apt-get -f install; sudo apt-get --purge remove flashplugin-nonfree flashplugin-installer
[09:47] <Branko> ok
[09:47] <ActionParsnip> just get all flash packages out
[09:47] <ActionParsnip> so we are clean of flash
[09:47] <ActionParsnip> i hate flash its such a pain in the ass
[09:48] <Branko> wont work...
[09:48] <Branko> adobe-flashplugin needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[09:48] <Branko> and this blocks everything...
[09:48] <Branko> :(
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> Branko: ok: sudo apt-get --reinstall install adobe-flashplugin
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> Branko: once we get this squared up, never install the deb from adobe, its not needed
[09:49] <Branko> same thing...
[09:49] <Branko> The package adobe-flashplugin needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[09:49] <Branko> ok, i'll remember that
[09:49] <Branko> :)
[09:49] <Branko> you can count on it...
[09:49] <Branko> :)
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> Branko: then you will need to websearch to try find a deb for it to force install it, then remove
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> Branko: does the adobe.com deb install adobe-flashplugin?
[09:50] <Branko> i already downloaded .deb from adobe
[09:50] <Branko> no
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> ok
[09:50] <Branko> i will paste error message
[09:51] <Branko> could not open install_flash_player_10_linux.deb, The package might be corrupted or you are not allowed to open the file. Check the permissions of the file.
[09:52] <Branko> i checked permission and check "Allow executing file as program" but no luck...
[09:52] <ActionParsnip> Branko: ok can you provide the output of: ls -al /path/to/install_flash_player_10_linux.deb
[09:52] <ActionParsnip> Branko: change /path/to  to the actual path, that command wont work as is
[09:53] <Branko> i don't follow you now...
[09:53] <Branko> sorry
[09:53] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[09:53] <Branko> hi
[09:54] <ActionParsnip> Branko: what is the output of ls -al <the deb file>
[09:54] <Branko> i don't know what you mean by that
[09:54] <Branko> sorry
[09:54] <ActionParsnip> Branko: i have nearly no chance of guessing where you stored the file so I need you to apply some fuzzy logic so the command is ran againt the deb file
[09:54] <Branko> i am not that experienced...
[09:54] <Branko> i stored .deb file on desktop
[09:54] <Branko> if that is what you asked...
[09:55] <ActionParsnip> Branko: then why are you using an alpha release of Ubuntu?
[09:55] <ActionParsnip> Branko: the alpha release isnt for newb users
[09:55] <Branko> well, i like to try new things...
[09:55] <Branko> :)
[09:55] <ActionParsnip> Branko: use jaunty
[09:55] <ActionParsnip> Branko: karmic isnt for you
[09:55] <Branko> ok, then i will return to jaunty...
[09:55] <Branko> thanks for help, anyway...
[09:55] <ActionParsnip> Branko: karmic is for users who can fix things and log bugs
[09:56] <ActionParsnip> Branko: you may be able to find the deb you need to force install to the remove
[09:56] <Branko> yes, ok, i just wished to help by trying...
[09:56] <Branko> ok
[09:56] <Branko> i will try
[09:56] <Branko> thanks again!
[10:10] <mostafa_> does anyone know where jockey saves its downloaded files?
[10:10] <mostafa_> jockey-gtk
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> mostafa_: /tmp maybe
[10:19] <haggisPC> intel 82852/855GM on karmic gives a blank screen
[10:19] <haggisPC> is this a known problem ?
[10:20] <haggisPC> kernel 2.6.31-9
[10:24] <mostafa_> ActionParsnip: thnx for your response I check it but nope there can't find any thing useful
[10:26] <hernad> firefox karmic some letters are partially cut off , reported here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/427256
[10:28] <haggisPC> intel 82852/855GM on karmic gives a blank screen after grub menu using kernel 2.6.31-9 , any solution
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> haggisPC: switch to vesa driver
[10:28] <haggisPC> how ?
[10:29] <haggisPC> cant pass options to kernel on boot
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> haggisPC: boot to recovery mode root console
[10:30] <ActionParsnip> and edit xorg.conf there
[10:30] <haggisPC> will that help , seems this is before X loads
[10:30] <haggisPC> ie when kernel boots
[10:31] <ActionParsnip> hmm, not sure then. maybe you have set a bad display for grub to use
[10:31] <amortvigil> hello does karmic koala have gnome shell 3.0?
[10:32] <haggisPC> i never had any option to set display on install
[10:32] <ActionParsnip> !find gnome-shell
[10:32] <ActionParsnip> !find gnomeshell
[10:32] <ActionParsnip> !info gnome-shell
[10:33] <amortvigil> ActionParsnip: is that the shell where all the fuzz on youtube is about?
[10:33] <haggisPC> ActionParsnip, i have access to / via recovery on CD if thats any help
[10:33] <amortvigil> ActionParsnip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieEE664_-fw&feature=related
[10:34] <ActionParsnip> amortvigil: no idea, not heard of it
[10:34] <ActionParsnip> haggisPC: sure sounds like a plan
[10:34] <haggisPC> did apt-get update / upgrade , lets se if that helps
[10:35] <ActionParsnip> amortvigil: wow that looks like id get sick of it real quick
[10:36] <amortvigil> ActionParsnip: HEHEHEH :P
[10:36] <amortvigil> THATS WHY ASKING
[10:36] <ActionParsnip> amortvigil: like i said, ive not heard of it
[10:37] <amortvigil> ook
[10:37] <haggisPC> /boot/grub/menu.1st doesn't exist , is something new happening that is replacing it ?
[10:38] <ActionParsnip> haggisPC: karmic uses grub2 by default
[10:39] <haggisPC> okay so where can i edit the grub2 menu , /boot/grub/grub.cfg ?
[10:40] <robin0800> haggisPC: /etc/default/grub and then run update-grub
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> haggisPC: update-grub generates grub.cfg so if you edit grub.cfg then run update-grub the change will be lost
[10:42] <haggisPC> thanks
[10:42] <haggisPC> i'll mess with that robin0800
[10:43] <robin0800> haggisPC: I had to do that to make karmic alpha 5 boot
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> robin0800: i had to hack out --no-floppy from my grub config as it made my system not boot
[10:46] <robin0800> ActionParsnip: I used an alternate cd and rescue system
[10:48] <ActionParsnip> robin0800: yeah had to do that if my system auto rebooted and i didnt change the file. i found a permanent fix though so all is good
[10:48] <ActionParsnip> Does anyone know how to get grub2 to timeout
[10:48] <ActionParsnip> mine just stands defiant and waits for enter to be pressed
[10:48] <ActionParsnip> to chosse the kernel
[10:50] <robin0800> ActionParsnip: yes thats in /etc/default/grub too
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> cool
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> thanks
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> for a single boot system, grub2 is really ott
[10:54] <haggisPC> what kernel option can i pass to get vga=1024x768 guys
[10:54] <haggisPC> i think this is my problem
[10:56] <haggisPC> and thanks , edited /etc/default/grub so i can see grub menu on boot now
[10:56] <haggisPC> now i can edit kernel line options to see whats causing problems
[10:58] <haggisPC> vga=773 for 1024x768 lets add that and see what happens
[11:00] <Kano> hi, why does amarok2 does not show the shoutcast directory with current daily
[11:02] <th_> hi
[11:02] <funkyHat> On the Hardware tab in Sound Preferences I have nothing in the "Choose a device to configure:" box, should I have something? (I have 2 soundcards, my assumption is that each of them should show up here :))
[11:03] <th_> I have karmic on my netbook and after upgrading now mythtv frontend is 0.22, but my backend and other frontends are 0.21 and I'm not ready to upgrade those, any way I can downgrade it on my netbook?
[11:05] <funkyHat> th_: you could try installing the 0.21 deb, or even compiling the deb-src from jaunty, but don't file bugs related to mythtv if you do that
[11:07] <th_> yeah I know, I just want it to connect to my server :)
[11:07] <th_> I'll try the older debs and see, it's just that there are quite a few and I was wondering if there was a simple way to tell it to use the older ones automatically
[11:08] <th_> compiling all of mythtv on my netbook will probably take until after xmas ;)
[11:11] <haggisPC> seems i'll be dumping ubuntu when karmic comes out , cant resolve my problem
[11:13] <alteregoa> i got still a problem with updating
[11:13] <alteregoa> it tries to install lilo and mbr but i never selected this
[11:23] <nperry> File bug report?
[11:33] <alteregoa> yeah i want to fill a report
[11:34] <alteregoa> but manualy not with this program because ths bug report program has a bug
[11:34] <alteregoa> weird bug
[11:51] <richardcavell> funkyHat: sound seems to be pretty broken on Karmic
[11:55] <funkyHat> richardcavell: I'm not having any problems with sound apart from that, actually
[11:56] <funkyHat> The only thing I might be missing is a surround sound option, I assume that would be in there somewhere
[11:56] <herenbdy> how do you move widgets in kubuntu netbook remix?
[11:56] <funkyHat> herenbdy: on the panel?
[11:56] <herenbdy> funkyHat: yes
[11:57] <funkyHat> herenbdy: middle click and drag (both mouse buttons together is usually middle click)
[11:57] <funkyHat> Or right click and click move
[11:58] <herenbdy> right clicking does nothing
[11:58] <herenbdy> same with middle click :?
[11:58] <funkyHat> hm
[11:58] <funkyHat> What are you trying to move?
[11:59] <funkyHat> Oh sorry, I completely missed that you said kubuntu
[11:59] <herenbdy> I added an application launcher to the applications desktop
[11:59] <herenbdy> heh
[11:59] <herenbdy> I wanted to ask in kubuntu, but netbook remix is a karmic thing :/
[12:00] <funkyHat> Well it might be the same in normal KDE? I don't know
[12:13] <MindVirus> How do I kill pulseaudio so it doesn't start up again?
[12:19] <MindVirus> Sorry. Did I get a response?
[12:27] <Boohbah> MindVirus: update-rc.d -f pulseaudio remove
[12:27] <Boohbah> sudo
[12:27] <MindVirus> Boohbah: and to restart it?
[12:28] <Boohbah> /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart
[12:28] <Dr_Willis> i never cen rember that update-rc.d command. :)
[12:29] <Boohbah> Ubuntu should be renamed Sudoers :)
[12:30] <Dr_Willis> we need a UAC dialog! in ubuntu. :)
[12:30] <Dr_Willis> or not.
[12:35] <cwillu> Dr_Willis, gksudo?
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> i noticed on kubuntu some dialog kept popping up wanting the admin password.
[12:36] <Dr_Willis> I think that might ofbeen for the bug reporting system
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> !gksudo | cwillu
[12:36] <cwillu> ActionParsnip, uh, hi?
[12:36] <Dr_Willis> i recall reading some 'articals' about what some people 'want' in ubuntu/linux file managers..
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> like if you drag/drop a file to /etc/ they 'expect' a admin password dialog to appear to allow the action..
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> I can see that being good and bad in many ways. :)
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: yeah. not liking that at all
[12:38] <cwillu> Boohbah, /etc/init.d/pulseaudio only deals with the system instance of pulseaudio, which I don't believe we use by default
[12:40] <Boohbah> cwillu: really? is another instance loaded by the desktop managers?
[12:41]  * cwillu just read /etc/init.d/pulseaudio
[12:41] <cwillu> yes, the session manager is typically responsible for launching it
[12:42] <cwillu> granted that I haven't checked my karmic machine to see if it's still done like that, but I'd be surprised
[12:44]  * Boohbah loads up VirtualBox
[13:19] <frogzoo> the kernel/network manager needs updating for the ZTE 6273 3G modem, to recognise product id = 0x19d2, vendor id = 0x0064 if anyone's interested...
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> file a bug report...
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> then again it may be  allready worked on in the kernel dev stuff :)
[13:21] <frogzoo> aight
[13:29] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[13:29] <Dr_Willis> Moo
[13:30] <shadeslayer> Honk Honk
[13:30] <shadeslayer> i dont think ill be hanging around here in a few days.... :P
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> moo?
[13:32] <Dr_Willis> tried to test out the latest 'frugalware' and after 2+ hrs of installing from dvd.. it crashed...
[13:32] <Dr_Willis> :()
[13:34] <eagles0513875> ouchi dr0pknutz
[13:34] <eagles0513875> whoops miss type
[13:34] <eagles0513875> ouchi Dr_Willis
[13:37] <Dr_Willis> Virtual box is so handy to test out other distros in.
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> off to test the next disrto on my list.. HmeraOpen
[13:38] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: tried arch?
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> Yep. Used arch for about 3 months..  then came back to Ubuntu
[13:38] <eagles0513875> heheh Dr_Willis exactly
[13:38] <eagles0513875> and ur like me i cant seem to get away form kubuntu lol
[13:39] <eagles0513875> hey shadeslayer
[13:39] <BluesKaj> mepis?
[13:39] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: im thinking of migrating,anything i should expect out of the blue?
[13:39] <shadeslayer> eagles0513875: oh hai
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> shadeslayer:  to arch.. read the wiki pages beofr you even begin. :)
[13:39] <eagles0513875> lol
[13:39] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: i am :P
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> and dont expect a lot from their IRC channel
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> :)
[13:40] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: hmm,well they have solved some basic issues as of now
[13:40] <BluesKaj> what's arch about?
[13:40] <Boohbah> failure
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> setting things up 'your' way mainly
[13:41] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: KISS
[13:41] <shadeslayer> Keep it simple,stupid ;)
[13:41] <Boohbah> except they have all their own custom scripts; might as well run linux from scratch
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> some things about it are Not 'simple'
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> But they do have some good wiki pages with some info id not seen on other places
[13:41] <BluesKaj> KISS , shadeslayer?
[13:42] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: Keep it simple,stupid ;)
[13:43] <BluesKaj> I try to keep things as simple as possible ..possible being the operative word
[14:00] <edgy> Hi, I can logon to kde normally but can't logon to gnome. How can I troubleshoot this?
[14:00] <vigo> Sweet update this morning.
[14:00] <frogzoo> edgy: ask in #ubuntu ?
[14:00] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: btw : http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dell_XPS_M1530
[14:00] <edgy> frogzoo: I am using karmic
[14:01] <ActionParsnip> edgy: try logging onto kde then renaming all the ~/.gnome ~/.gnome2 etc folders
[14:01] <shadeslayer> edgy: have you tried selecting gnome in kdm
[14:01] <ActionParsnip> edgy: then try logging in to gnome
[14:01] <edgy> ActionParsnip: I created a new user and still cannot log in
[14:01] <shadeslayer> or gdm or whatever you are using as a login manager
[14:01] <ActionParsnip> edgy: yo uneed to change the session name to choose gnome before logging in
[14:01] <edgy> shadeslayer: yes this is how I try to login; selecting gnome from kdm
[14:02] <shadeslayer> edgy: what do you get?
[14:02] <edgy> shadeslayer: it just flash the screen as if it's trying to login then back to my login screen
[14:03] <ActionParsnip> edgy: can you log on to kde and provide the output of: ls -la /home/$USER
[14:03] <edgy> ActionParsnip: sorry I don't understand what you mean by unneed to change session
[14:03] <shadeslayer> edgy: hmm... try reconfiguring kdm to use gdm instead,and try logging in again
[14:03] <ActionParsnip> edgy: you change the session type at the logon screen to choose kde or gnome
[14:05] <edgy> ActionParsnip: sure http://pastebin.ca/1561021
[14:05] <edgy> shadeslayer: I haven't tried gdm but I would after finishing the discussion here
[14:06] <shadeslayer> edgy: well remove .gnome and .gnome2 and try gdm,thats all i can think of
[14:06] <ActionParsnip> edgy: looks fine, and yuor logon name is mimo?
[14:06] <ActionParsnip> edgy: rename instead of delete ;)
[14:06] <edgy> ActionParsnip: yes, mimo
[14:07] <edgy> shadeslayer: ok I would try it now
[14:07] <shadeslayer> edgy: rename the folders.... dont delete them
[14:07] <ActionParsnip> edgy: was just checking you were the owner of your own data
[14:07] <edgy> ok let me rename and retry .......
[14:07] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: o.0
[14:08] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: long time no see ;)
[14:10] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: im around ;)
[14:12] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: what do you think of arch?
[14:16] <mostafa_> BluesKaj: does NTFS supprots in karmic
[14:16] <mostafa_> ?
[14:17] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: not tried it tbh
[14:17] <shadeslayer> mostafa_: yes
[14:17] <shadeslayer> !ntfs | mostafa_
[14:22] <BluesKaj> mostafa_, yes
[14:23] <mostafa_> BluesKaj: when I click on them it cause an error
[14:24] <mostafa_> BluesKaj: when I am in jaunty whenever click on the partition Icons they just ask me the password and all was ok
[14:24] <mostafa_> but here just for Fat32 partitions are OK
[14:24] <edgy> shadeslayer, ActionParsnip: still same problem but I now noticed many errros in this file http://pastebin.ca/1561037
[14:26] <ActionParsnip> edgy: looks like it is chasing compiz but you dont have it installed
[14:26] <shadeslayer> i was going to tell him to install ubuntu-desktop
[14:26] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: sounds ok to me
[14:26] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: use --reinstall
[14:26] <ActionParsnip> ;)
[14:27] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: just sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop brings in all the remaining packages
[14:28] <edgy> ActionParsnip, shadeslayer: I already did that and it's installed
[14:28] <ActionParsnip> shadeslayer: fair point, the reinstall may set the configs to default of what is currently installed
[14:28] <mostafa_> ActionParsnip: can you help me with adding a manual NTFS partition into the fstab
[14:29] <mostafa_> ActionParsnip: I make a directory in "/media" then open the /etc/fstab
[14:29] <mostafa_> what should I do then
[14:29] <mostafa_> ?
[14:29] <shadeslayer> edgy: ok try sudo apt-get install compiz
[14:29] <edgy> ActionParsnip: I haven't tried --reinstall though yet
[14:29] <edgy> ActionParsnip: it's saying already installed
[14:30] <ActionParsnip> edgy: sudo apt-get --reinstall install ubuntu-desktop
[14:30] <ActionParsnip> mostafa_: /dev/<your partition>     /media/<mount point>     ntfs-3g     defaults,locale=en_US.utf8   0    0
[14:30] <ActionParsnip> mostafa_: the mount point folder MUST exists
[14:30] <ActionParsnip> mostafa_: and change <your partition> to the partition name sthat you see in the output of: sudo fdisk -l
[14:31] <mostafa_> ActionParsnip: thnx so much bro
[14:31] <ActionParsnip> mostafa_: you will need to run: sudo mkdir /media/<mount point>
[14:31] <ActionParsnip> replacing <mount point> in both parts with where yu want it mounting
[14:31] <ActionParsnip> mostafa_: you will need to run: gksudo gedit /etc/fstab   to get write access
[14:31] <zniavre_> !grub2
[14:32] <mostafa_> ActionParsnip: thanx man you are a good person :-8
[14:32] <mostafa_> :-*
[14:32] <edgy> ActionParsnip: I tried --reinstall and surprisingly it works!!!! new new package is installed so what does this means?!
[14:33] <ActionParsnip> mostafa_: if I am having to tell you this sort of thing you shouldnt be using karmic
[14:34] <shadeslayer> ActionParsnip: i use it all the time
[14:34] <mostafa_> ActionParsnip: I don't catch your point
[14:34] <mostafa_> ActionParsnip: what do you mean by saying that?
[14:34] <edgy> ActionParsnip: I though Policyconf would allow us to mount without needed fstab, am I wrong?
[14:34] <frogzoo> mostafa_: karmic is a development release - for experienced users
[14:34] <ActionParsnip> mostafa_: karmic is for folks to log bugs and fix their own issues. If you cant mount a partition without help then karmic will be very frustrating for you
[14:35] <ActionParsnip> edgy: its another way
[14:36] <ActionParsnip> edgy: i like fstab as the partition will be mounted at power on so (i think) it will be accessible earlier
[14:36] <edgy> ActionParsnip: in dolphin I found a shortcut to my internal drive partitions, I just click on it and it works but really I don't know how to automount it
[14:36] <edgy> ActionParsnip: I mean without clicking on it
[14:36] <mostafa_> ActionParsnip: I know I have difficulty with that as a matter of fact very of my problems are solved
[14:37] <mostafa_> ActionParsnip: when I get to the karmic
[14:37] <ActionParsnip> edgy just so you are aware :D
[14:37] <edgy> ActionParsnip: so there is no way?
[14:38] <ActionParsnip> edgy: you can add them to fstab and they will mount at bootup
[14:40] <mostafa_> ActionParsnip: I do all and now save the fstab then what should I do ?
[14:40] <ActionParsnip> mostafa_: if you run: sudo mount -a    it will mount it, you can also reboot to test
[14:42] <edgy> ActionParsnip: I am saying this because I know in solaris at least there is no more need to those fstab files any more ;) Hope linux would catch that sooner
[14:42] <mostafa_> ActionParsnip: it is mounted but it has no info in it
[14:43] <mostafa_> ActionParsnip: I mean it is correct to mount but I don't know why it doesn't show me any data
[14:44] <edgy> Any one noticed problems in autocompletion in bash?
[14:44] <mostafa_> ActionParsnip: if I click on other NTFS partitions it give me an error on the bottom of dolphin
[14:44] <ActionParsnip> mostafa_: maybe you dont have read access, did you reboot/
[14:44] <mostafa_> ActionParsnip: no but is it a must to reboot?
[14:45] <ActionParsnip> if you umount the partition then rerun: sudo mount -a    it will reboot
[14:45] <ActionParsnip> not reboot
[14:45] <ActionParsnip> mount
[14:46] <mostafa_> this is the line I add to fstab :/dev/sda5 /media/Windows ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.utf8 0 0"
[14:46] <mostafa_> /dev/sda5	/media/Windows		ntfs-3g		defaults,locale=en_US.utf8	0	0
[14:46] <mostafa_> ActionParsnip: is it correct
[14:46] <mostafa_> ?
[14:46] <edgy> mostafa_: what's the output of mount |grep ntfs-3g
[14:46] <mostafa_> the folder exists too
[14:47] <ActionParsnip> mostafa_: looks fine
[14:47] <wastrel> tab completion is broken in koala in bash when the file has a - in the name
[14:47] <ActionParsnip> could try: /dev/sda5	/media/Windows		ntfs-3g		defaults,locale=en_US.utf8,uid=1000	0	0
[14:47] <wastrel> at least in directories
[14:48] <mostafa_> ActionParsnip: just add uid=1000
[14:48] <mostafa_> ?
[14:48] <edgy> wastrel: wastrel touch a-b, ls a<TAB> works for me
[14:48] <ActionParsnip> mostafa_: yeah, can help
[14:49] <edgy> wastrel: i remember I faced a problem but don't remember the case now, do you have a bug report?
[14:50] <ActionParsnip> mostafa_: i'd it a reboot so you know its good after a cold bootup
[14:50] <mostafa_> ActionParsnip: Ok I'll reboot brb
[14:52] <wastrel> ah it's a space not the - that's broken
[14:52] <wastrel> i had a couple files with "foo - bar" type names
[14:52] <wastrel> the space is what does it there's a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash-completion/+bug/419509
[14:54] <mostafa_> ActionParsnip: yeah as you told it needs a reboot
[14:54] <ActionParsnip> mostafa_: np man
[14:55] <ActionParsnip> mostafa_: you can even be cheeky and run this:
[14:55] <ActionParsnip> mostafa_: ln -s /media/Windows ~/windows
[14:55] <ActionParsnip> mostafa_: then you can access the data from your home folder easily
[14:56] <mostafa_> ActionParsnip: thnx I made it before
[14:56] <mostafa_> ;)
[14:57] <ActionParsnip> mostafa_: good lad, 2 laps ahead
[14:57] <wastrel> REALLY annoying bug :]  have to type these long names ;__;
[14:57] <wastrel> oki cheers ttyl
[14:57] <mostafa_> ActionParsnip: what are they?
[14:57] <ActionParsnip> mostafa_: what are what?
[14:58] <ActionParsnip> define "they"
[14:58] <mostafa_> ActionParsnip: I don't know"2 laps ahead"
[14:58] <mostafa_> ActionParsnip: what do you mean by that
[14:58] <mostafa_> ?
[14:58] <ActionParsnip> mostafa_: its a saying between me and my mates
[14:58] <ActionParsnip> you are 2 laps ahead of my thinking ;)
[14:59] <edgy> wastrel: I just found a nice workaround
[15:00] <edgy> wastrel: I would put it in the bug report now
[15:02] <edgy> wastrel: what do you think about this? ;)
[15:04] <duffydack> whats up with sound in karmic.  there isnt a mixer like in jaunty.  my laptop has quite decent speakers controlled with pcm channel, plus subwoofer which is controlled with the master mono channel, but things are different in karmic.
[15:06] <mostafa_> can anyone told me how to understand what is my karmic version ? alpha4 or alpha5?
[15:06] <edgy> mostafa_: just do apt-get dist-ugprade and you would get the latest
[15:07] <mostafa_> edgy: when I try that it says 0 upgraded 0 newly installed
[15:07] <cwillu_at_work> mostafa_, an alpha is just a particular combination of versions of packages
[15:07] <edgy> duffydack: ask in #alsa
[15:07] <cwillu_at_work> mostafa_, the moment you update, you're no longer running an alpha, you're running something newer
[15:08]  * Pici conciders adding a factoid for alphaversion
[15:08] <edgy> mostafa_: then you are running the version newer than alpha5 which is the best thing you can do
[15:08]  * cwillu_at_work considers turning on pici's spellcheck :p
[15:08] <cwillu_at_work> mostafa_, specifically, alpha's aren't minidistributions, they're purely a figment of our imagination :)
[15:08] <mikm> conciders is probably the brist spelling
[15:09] <mikm> *brit
[15:09]  * cwillu_at_work is using uk spellcheck
[15:09] <Pici> I'm not British
[15:10] <cwillu_at_work> too bad
[15:10] <mostafa_> edgy: cwillu_at_work:  how can I know that what is that new thing
[15:11] <edgy> mostafa_: we are telling you so
[15:11] <mostafa_> edgy: I understand
[15:11] <mostafa_> edgy: but you say you are newer than alpha
[15:12] <edgy> mostafa_: you are newer by the packages that you upgraded after you install the alpha
[15:12] <mikm> alpha# is just a milestone.
[15:12] <mikm> Packages have been updated since alpha 5, so I'm "newer" than the latest alpha
[15:13] <mostafa_> edgy: ohhh I get it now you mean for example if alpha6 comes just the packages change yeah?
[15:13] <mostafa_> mikm: am i right?
[15:13] <edgy> mostafa_: yes
[15:13] <mikm> Yeah
[15:14] <mostafa_> edgy: mikm: thank you both
[15:14] <mostafa_> ;)
[15:14] <edgy> welcome
[15:15] <mostafa_> edgy: mikm: I have a problem with my VGA when I enable the effects it is ok but when I reboot it get disabled again
[15:15] <mostafa_> what is your idea about it?
[15:15] <richardcavell> Are they going to get sound working properly in Karmic before it is released?
[15:16] <edgy> richardcavell: what's your problem?
[15:16] <richardcavell> edgy: Karmic has had broken sound for me since about alpha 3
[15:16] <richardcavell> (it was working fine on Jaunty and up until some pulseaudio updates)
[15:17] <Pici> richardcavell: Is it not playing at all ever, or once and then not again?
[15:18] <richardcavell> one application 'steals' the sound system and no other app can play sound
[15:18] <Pici> richardcavell: Theres a bug logged for that issue, one of the suggestions was to remove/move ~/.pulse
[15:18] <Pici> richardcavell: let me find the bug #
[15:19] <Pici> richardcavell: bug 411962
[15:19] <richardcavell> Pici: I have uninstalled Karmic and I'm not reinstalling until final release
[15:20] <richardcavell> I have about 30 bugs logged on launchpad and they're all just sitting there
[15:21] <duffydack> sound is a lot different in karmic it seems.  8.04 to 9.04 is fine but not so nice now.
[15:27] <Boohbah> wastrel: i just tried it, i can tab-complete filenames with a space and a hyphen
[15:28] <edgy> richardcavell: for me it works
[15:28] <richardcavell> edgy: I believe you
[15:28] <edgy> richardcavell: did you file a bug report?
[15:29] <richardcavell> y
[15:29] <edgy> richardcavell: where is it?
[15:29] <edgy> Boohbah: check the bug report pasted by wastrel
[15:29] <edgy> Any one noticed bluetooth not working in kde but working in gnome?
[15:30] <edgy> In KDE, I get org.openobex.Error.NotFound
[15:30] <richardcavell> edgy: mate I'd love to talk about it but I've already exhausted everyone here and on #alsa about it
[15:30] <richardcavell> and I gotta go to bed
[15:31] <edgy> richardcavell: np, bye
[15:33] <cwillu_at_work> ah yes, now I remember why I had him on ignore :/
[15:33] <Boohbah> edgy: right, it is a bug, i retract my previous statement
[15:51] <wastrel> Boohbah: touch foo\ bar; touch foo\ baz;
[15:51] <wastrel> then try
[15:53] <Boohbah> wastrel: yes, i got the same result. i should have read the bug report first
[15:57] <nemo> W: Failed to fetch http://archive.linux.duke.edu/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python2.6/python2.6-dbg_2.6.2-0ubuntu5_i386.deb
[16:07] <cwillu_at_work> where is the animation for the new gdm stored?
[16:07] <cwillu_at_work> and is the animation itself jerky for anyone else?  (i.e., there's an extra frame in there that shouldn't be)
[16:08] <cwillu_at_work> oo, oo, and is the new main menu thingy supposed to be completely broken?  (unresponsive to the mouse here)
[16:09] <mikm> xsplash images are in /usr/share/images/xsplash
[16:09] <mikm> I haven't had any problems with GDM lately
[16:10] <cwillu_at_work> it's working fine, but the animation itself is wrong
[16:11] <mikm> FYI: xsplash is that animation you see before GDM starts and after you enter the password, not GDM
[16:11] <cwillu_at_work> yes
[16:12] <cwillu_at_work> irrelevant to the question "does anyone else think the animation is missing frames"  :p
[16:12] <cwillu_at_work> but thanks for the correction
[16:12] <mikm> What animation?
[16:12] <cwillu_at_work> the thobber
[16:12] <mikm> oh nm
[16:12] <cwillu_at_work> throbber rather
[16:12] <mikm> yeah, the animation looks screwy
[16:15] <cwillu_at_work> and the main-menu thingy?
[16:16] <cwillu_at_work> ah, netbook-launcer
[16:16]  * cwillu_at_work puzzles: how did that get there 
[16:17] <cwillu_at_work> so my revised question is: is netbook-launcher known to be broken?
[16:24] <mostafa_> BluesKaj: if I don't have karmic ppa or repository for a software for example VLC what should I do?
[16:24] <Pici> mostafa_: VLC is in in the regular karmic repositories
[16:25] <mostafa_> Pici: yeah you are right
[16:25] <mostafa_> Pici: but if you want to track the newest version of vlc
[16:26] <mostafa_> Pici: for example in jaunty I add this to the 3rd party
[16:26] <mostafa_> Pici: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/c-korn/vlc/ubuntu jaunty main
[16:27] <shadeslayer> mostafa_: theres a SVN which has the latest builds,use a SVN checkout if youre keen on dev work
[16:27] <Pici> mostafa_: Look for the main launchpad page for that ppa, it will list if they provide packages for other releases
[16:29] <mostafa_> shadeslayer: is SVN for any software?
[16:29] <shadeslayer> mostafa_: there are various systems.... git,mercurial,svn which download the code and you compile it
[16:30] <mostafa_> shadeslayer: for example I track some softwares like "Wine Zekr VLC Audacious Amarok"
[16:30] <shadeslayer> mostafa_: Amarok and VLC have SVN's for sure.... dont know about wine and zekr
[16:31] <mostafa_> shadeslayer: do you have any link for me to know the SVN better?
[16:31] <eagles0513875> shadeslayer: wine does
[16:31] <shadeslayer> eagles0513875: okies
[16:32] <shadeslayer> mostafa_: youll need dev libs and svn to be installed
[16:32] <cwillu_at_work> sudo apt-get build-dep <package-name> will get the build dependencies installed
[16:33] <cwillu_at_work> and build-essential should get everything else you'd need (including svn)
[16:34] <mostafa_> cwillu_at_work: I always install build-essential
[16:34] <shadeslayer> mostafa_: #<put_app_here> will tell you how to compile all the apps
[16:35] <mostafa_> shadeslayer: zekr or audacious
[16:36] <shadeslayer> mostafa_: no idea since i have never compiled them.... google around
[16:36] <mostafa_> amarok
[16:36] <mostafa_> I don't know what ever you compile
[16:36] <shadeslayer> mostafa_: #amarok
[16:36] <mostafa_> ok amarok
[16:37] <mostafa_> shadeslayer: what should I do then type this in terminal?
[16:37] <shadeslayer> mostafa_: no, join #amarok :P
[16:38] <shadeslayer> mostafa_: like >> /join #amarok << in your IRC client
[16:38] <mostafa_> shadeslayer: lol now I got your point :)) =))
[16:38] <shadeslayer> hehe....
[16:38] <mostafa_> shadeslayer: thnx
[16:39] <shadeslayer> mostafa_: basically you use svn as : svn co url_to_svn_here
[16:39] <cwillu_at_work> that said, if you find yourself wanting to build from upstream source when a package is available, you're probably doing something wrong
[16:39] <cwillu_at_work> i.e., the package maintainer in all likelyhood has newer source debs available
[16:42] <mostafa_> shadeslayer: what is the name of " deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/c-korn/vlc/ubuntu jaunty main "?
[16:42] <mostafa_> shadeslayer: PPA or Repository?
[16:42] <cwillu_at_work> a ppa is a repository
[16:43] <cwillu_at_work> personal package archive, and archive is basically a synonym for repository
[16:43] <mostafa_> cwillu_at_work: you mean no difference between them ?
[16:43] <cwillu_at_work> yes
[16:44] <cwillu_at_work> although the text itself is a deb line
[16:44] <cwillu_at_work> the address you point it to is a repository
[16:44] <cwillu_at_work> and a ppa is just a type of repository, that happens to be hosted on launchpad ;p
[16:45] <cwillu_at_work> what's the name of that program that captures the changes made to a filesystem into a deb for later removal or reinstall?
[16:46] <mostafa_> cwillu_at_work: I don't know
[16:46] <cwillu_at_work> didn't expect you to know, was planning on tell you to use it if you ended up building from source :)
[16:46] <cwillu_at_work> but I can't remember the name of it for the life of me,
[16:47] <cwillu_at_work> despite using it like every day ;p
[16:47] <DanaG> there's a handy thingy to add a PPA to your sources: add-apt-repository.
[16:47] <DanaG> checkinstall?
[16:47] <cwillu_at_work> that's it
[16:47] <cwillu_at_work> thanks
[16:47] <cwillu_at_work> mostafa_, use checkinstall if you end up doing a build from source
[16:47] <mostafa_> cwillu_at_work: I am not as pro as you are
[16:47] <mostafa_> :D
[16:47]  * cwillu_at_work huggles DanaG, that was gonna drive me insane
[16:48] <cwillu_at_work> mostafa_, the normal build process tends to dump files all over the place in a way that they can't be removed or upgraded cleanly
[16:48] <cwillu_at_work> mostafa_, "./configure; make; make install" becomes "./configure; make; checkinstall"
[16:48] <cwillu_at_work> which gives you a deb file at the end, which you can install properly :)
[16:49] <cwillu_at_work> wait, what the hell
[16:49] <cwillu_at_work> I did a quicksearch in synaptic for "package", and checkinstall doesn't show up in the list
[16:49] <cwillu_at_work> despite using the word "package" in the description
[16:50] <mostafa_> cwillu_at_work: I am listening now I got what you are saying
[16:50] <mostafa_> cwillu_at_work: about yeah I know it
[16:51] <mvo> cwillu_at_work: oh, a interessting bug, I see that as well, let me check
[16:51] <genii> cwillu_at_work: It's in Universe
[16:52]  * cwillu_at_work pokes genii with the how-about-you-try-the-steps-I-said stick :p
[16:52] <mostafa_> cwillu_at_work: for example if I have a source package and install it
[16:53] <mostafa_> cwillu_at_work: and then checkinstall that package it gave me a deb file
[16:53] <mostafa_> ?
[16:53] <cwillu_at_work> mostafa_, then you would use "checkinstall" if it requires "make install" or "check install <command>" if it requires a different command
[16:53] <cwillu_at_work> yes
[16:53] <cwillu_at_work> and then you can just install that deb file like any other deb
[16:54] <mvo> cwillu_at_work: ok, the problem is that it tries to attach some "relevance" to each package and "package" is a pretty common term. here xapian (the backend of the quick search) seems to be just a wee bit too clever)
[16:54] <cwillu_at_work> indeed
[16:54] <cwillu_at_work> because a normal search for the term found it :)
[16:54] <mvo> the term search is not clever at all ;)
[16:55] <cwillu_at_work> doesn't make sense though
[16:55] <cwillu_at_work> because it still gives results for 'package'
[16:55] <mvo> strstr() ftw!
[16:55] <genii> cwillu_at_work: apt-cache search package|grep checkinstall ... : checkinstall - installation tracker             apt-cache policy checkinstall: Candidate: 1.6.1-8   , 500 http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/universe Packages
[16:55] <cwillu_at_work> is it doing relevance per topic?
[16:56] <cwillu_at_work> genii, yes, I know
[16:56] <cwillu_at_work> genii, you can stop telling me about alternative approaches, we're talking about getting the relevant feature fixed :p
[16:57] <cwillu_at_work> mvo, so why does xapian give _any_ results for 'package'?
[16:57] <mostafa_> thank you all bro s;)
[16:57] <cwillu_at_work> np mostafa_
[16:57]  * genii sips and messes with Synaptic for a bit
[16:57] <mvo> cwillu_at_work: it adds some words to the query (stemming, XP prefix to search in the package name namespace)
[16:58] <mvo> cwillu_at_work: I'm just adding some more output to -o Debug::Synaptic::Xapian=True to see what is going on exactly
[16:58] <mostafa_> cwillu_at_work: can I ask you how many repositories do you add to your menu.lst
[16:58] <mostafa_> ?
[16:59] <cwillu_at_work> mostafa_, don't use menu.lst, add list files to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ :p
[17:00] <mostafa_> cwillu_at_work: ohh excuse me
[17:00] <cwillu_at_work> mostafa_, depending on the machine anywhere from 'none' to 'a dozen or so'
[17:00] <cwillu_at_work> mostafa_, adding files that way just plays better with config file updates
[17:01] <mostafa_> cwillu_at_work: this repositories always change?
[17:01] <mostafa_> cwillu_at_work: for example if we move to karmic from jaunty then all of them must change?
[17:02] <cwillu_at_work> generally
[17:02] <cwillu_at_work> although it's sometimes just a formality: if the package doesn't have any real specific library requirements, the package might be identical
[17:04] <mostafa_>  I have these repositories in jaunty
[17:04] <mostafa_> cwillu_at_work: http://paste.ubuntu.com/268639/
[17:04] <mostafa_> cwillu_at_work: but I don't know how to change them in karmic
[17:04] <mostafa_> cwillu_at_work: can you help?
[17:04] <cwillu_at_work> replace jaunty with karmic in each line :p
[17:05] <mostafa_> cwillu_at_work: just this do the work
[17:05] <mostafa_> ?
[17:05] <cwillu_at_work> eh?
[17:05] <Twigathy> hm, a recent update seems to have broken NFS mounts for me
[17:05] <Twigathy> in dmesg I have: [ 4090.276986] svc: failed to register lockdv1 RPC service (errno 97).
[17:05] <Twigathy> Mounting NFS shares hangs forever until I ^C the mount command
[17:05] <Twigathy> Anybody else hit this problem?
[17:06] <cwillu_at_work> check the changelogs of the last couple versions for suspicious changes?
[17:07] <mostafa_> cwillu_at_work: I change them but in some of them it says there is no such repo
[17:07] <Twigathy> oh
[17:07] <Twigathy> it just worked
[17:07] <Twigathy> what on earth
[17:07] <Twigathy> okay, well, if I see this happening again I'll see if I can track down what is wrong... :|
[17:08] <mvo> cwillu_at_work: so, without a quality cutof, package returns 16500 results :)
[17:08] <mvo> out of 28000
[17:08] <cwillu_at_work> so, return all the results
[17:09] <cwillu_at_work> honestly, a quality cutoff makes it's useless as a quick filter
[17:09] <mvo> yeah, that is right. its not quick then though.
[17:09] <mvo> I need to think about what the right balance is, maybe a "more" entry or something
[17:11] <cwillu_at_work> I don't mind slow in particular cases, but getting incomplete results is a good way to make me waste time
[17:11] <cwillu_at_work> sorry, getting incomplete results without knowing I'm looking at...
[17:12] <cwillu_at_work> also, what's the default combinator?
[17:12] <cwillu_at_work> i.e., I want to be able to search for "package make" and get checkinstall back as a result
[17:13] <cwillu_at_work> but it should be an "and" query, not an "or" query
[17:14] <cwillu_at_work> right now, that query includes things such as "9mount-dbg", which doesn't even mention package OR make in the description :p
[17:14] <cwillu_at_work> or dependencies
[17:14]  * cwillu_at_work pokes mvo 
[17:15] <cwillu_at_work> mvo, also, as long as I have you here :p
[17:15] <cwillu_at_work> mvo, it would be useful if the search results were initially sorted by package name rather than the default ordering (which is useless in the search's case)
[17:17] <mvo> cwillu_at_work: hm, so in theory the ordering is done by relevance, but in a lot of cases this is probably "unordered" because the package descriptions are not long enough and the search terms are too few to attach meaningful relevance
[17:17] <cwillu_at_work> mvo, I've never had the relevance ordering give me anything useful
[17:18]  * mvo nods
[17:18] <mvo> that is probably sadly true
[17:18] <cwillu_at_work> just as a datapoint, I never even suspected it was anything other than a pseudo-random order based on the behaviour of some internal datastructure
[17:19] <cwillu_at_work> I don't know that relevance is terribly useful here anyway
[17:19] <cwillu_at_work> this isn't google, this is basically quick filtering :)
[17:20] <cwillu_at_work> and the closer that filtering is to a math operator, the better
[17:20] <cwillu_at_work> (incidently, you saw my comment about searches for multiple terms?)
[18:10] <tuukkah> hi guys! does anyone know if it should still work with karmic to install with usb stick and syslinux?
[18:11] <tuukkah> at the beginning of boot, it stops after repeatedly trying to mount cdrom
[18:13] <James147> tuukkah: i have managed to install karmic iwth usb, useing usb-creator (this that uses syslinux)
[18:14] <tuukkah> so i suppose i did something wrong or the instructions need updating
[18:15] <James147> tuukkah: try useing usb-creator if you can (its in the reopsities) its the esiest way to make a liveusb
[18:20] <bmunger> is anyone else having trouble with us.archive.ubuntu.com and cdimage.ubuntu.com ?
[18:30] <billybigrigger> tuukkah, what instructions are you following?
[18:30] <billybigrigger> and how are you writing your ubuntu image to usb?
[18:30] <billybigrigger> bmunger, cdimage is working here
[18:41] <bmunger> billybigrigger: i cant even telnet to it on port 80
[18:41] <bmunger> cant do updates or downloads from ubuntu, but the main site works just fine oddly
[18:42] <bmunger> cant do it on a server i have at another isp
[18:45] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[18:45] <ShapeShifter499> I got a question
[18:45] <ShapeShifter499> I use openoffice 3.1 on my ubuntu karmic alpha 5 system and I noticed that when I needed to edit a word that was all ready typed I go to type a letter into it and letters after the one I justed type begin to erase, like if I had pushed the "del" and the letter key at the same time
[18:46] <Pici> ShapeShifter499: Are you sure that insert mode isn't on? It may be able to be toggled by pressing the insert key.
[18:46] <ShapeShifter499> how do I check?
[18:46] <robin0800> ShapeShifter499: overtype ? and not insert mode
[18:47] <Pici> I haven't used OpenOffice in a long time, I'm just suggesting what I've seen in other wordprocessors
[18:48] <ShapeShifter499> how do I tell what mode I have set, I just began using openoffice
[18:48] <ShapeShifter499> before it was just the text editor
[18:49] <Pici> ShapeShifter499: Its probably on the status bar on the bottom of the screen. Try pressing insert to toggle it and see if it works like you want it to.
[18:49] <ShapeShifter499> ok
[18:49] <ShapeShifter499> hold on
[18:49] <ShapeShifter499> ahh
[18:49] <ShapeShifter499> ok
[18:50] <ShapeShifter499> it was on over
[18:50] <robin0800> ShapeShifter499: you can click it
[18:50] <ShapeShifter499> now it says INSRT
[18:50] <ShapeShifter499> and it seems to be good
[18:50] <ShapeShifter499> yea just clicked it
[18:50] <robin0800> ShapeShifter499: Yes thats the normal mode I hate overtype
[18:51] <ShapeShifter499> me too, now I know that mode
[18:51] <ShapeShifter499> can I force the mode I want?
[18:51] <ShapeShifter499> so that it will never go into over mode?
[18:53] <ShapeShifter499> ??
[18:53] <robin0800> ShapeShifter499: no idea
[18:55] <badmox_> hi i have some problem with my nvidia drivers when i do sudo modprobe nvidia i get an error modprobe: invalid option -- 'Q'
[18:56] <ShapeShifter499> only reason is before I knew about the two modes, it seemed to switch on me, one session it would be fine and then  on another session it would do what I had just decribed(I guess be in over mode)
[18:56] <ShapeShifter499> thats why I would want to force the mode I like
[18:57] <ShapeShifter499> well tnx for the help
[18:57] <James147> ShapeShifter499: dont know why it would just switch randomly, most likly you are hitting a shortcut key by accdent. You can try disableing that
[18:58] <ShapeShifter499> ok where are those options?
[18:59] <James147> ShapeShifter499: Tools > Customise > keyboard
[19:00] <ShapeShifter499> oh ok
[19:00] <ShapeShifter499> hold on
[19:02] <ShapeShifter499> it says insert key would activate insert mode
[19:02] <ShapeShifter499> that key is the one that has Ins on it right?
[19:03] <ShapeShifter499> if so I never hit that key
[19:03] <ShapeShifter499> ok well I seemed to have fix my prob
[19:03] <ShapeShifter499> tnx for help
[19:05] <ShapeShifter499> Now one more thing
[19:06] <ShapeShifter499> I use rhythmbox and it wouldn't play any of my music, just kept giving me error "internal data flow error" now what is that?
[19:06] <ShapeShifter499> also totem did too
[19:06] <billybigrigger> ShapeShifter499, try killing pulseaudio or maybe you don't have the correct codecs installed
[19:06] <ShapeShifter499> what codecs?
[19:07] <billybigrigger> what are you trying to play
[19:07] <ShapeShifter499> gstreamer?
[19:07] <ShapeShifter499> music from my ipod and from hard drive(when I was on jaunty)
[19:07] <billybigrigger> music is too general haha
[19:08] <ShapeShifter499> .mp3
[19:08] <ShapeShifter499> files
[19:08] <billybigrigger> think codecs and filetypes
[19:08] <billybigrigger> aac?
[19:08] <ShapeShifter499> ??
[19:08] <billybigrigger> ShapeShifter499, you have ubuntu-restricted-extras installed?
[19:09] <ShapeShifter499> mp3 are the file types
[19:09] <ShapeShifter499> hold on
[19:10] <ShapeShifter499> no
[19:10] <billybigrigger> install it :P
[19:10] <tuukkah> billybigrigger, i'm following these instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick#Manual Approach
[19:10] <ShapeShifter499> doing it right now
[19:11] <ShapeShifter499> done
[19:11] <ShapeShifter499> so try it now?
[19:11] <billybigrigger> ShapeShifter499, yeah try it
[19:11] <ShapeShifter499> hold on
[19:11] <billybigrigger> might need to close your audio app and re-open
[19:11] <billybigrigger> tuukkah, where are you stuck?
[19:11] <ShapeShifter499> all right!
[19:11] <ShapeShifter499> it works
[19:12] <om26er> i cannot search wireless network in ubuntu moblin remix (daily-release)
[19:12] <ShapeShifter499> but what did that error mean? it sounded to me like the files I tried where corupted
[19:13] <ShapeShifter499> *corrupted
[19:13] <billybigrigger> it just meant it didn't know what to do with the files
[19:13] <ShapeShifter499> ohh
[19:13] <billybigrigger> since you didnt have a decoder
[19:14] <tuukkah> billybigrigger, the boot loader works, and splash screen appears. then it tries to mount cdrom (trying to find the live filesystem there), which obviously fails
[19:14] <ShapeShifter499> I got it, so it should be ok to use rhythmbox with my ipod and lubrary of music right?
[19:14] <om26er> i cannot search for the wireless network on acer aspire one on ubuntu moblin remix
[19:14] <ShapeShifter499> *library
[19:15] <tuukkah> billybigrigger, so sounds like what that wiki page says for "Mounting the USB stick as /cdrom - This step is only needed for the Alternate install CD and Ubuntu 6.10 or older. "
[19:16] <ShapeShifter499> right?
[19:16] <billybigrigger> what install media are you using?
[19:17] <billybigrigger> ShapeShifter499, ya, if not search around, tons of ipod/ubuntu articles around
[19:17] <ShapeShifter499> ok
[19:17] <tuukkah> billybigrigger, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/alpha-5/karmic-desktop-i386.iso - unpacked to the usb stick, along these instructions
[19:17] <ShapeShifter499> well it *seems* to be working right now
[19:17] <ShapeShifter499> well thanks for the help everyone
[19:17] <ShapeShifter499> I got to go
[19:17] <ShapeShifter499> bye
[19:18] <billybigrigger> tuukkah, use the alternate cd
[19:18] <om26er> any ubuntu moblinr remix help
[19:18] <billybigrigger> om26er, not here
[19:19] <om26er> billybigrigger: this is the 9.10 karmic irc so y the hell not here
[19:19] <om26er> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-moblin-remix/
[19:19] <tuukkah> billybigrigger, why? i'd rather not (i'd like to see the live)
[19:20] <billybigrigger> tuukkah, ok have it your way
[19:20] <billybigrigger> tuukkah, you won't get it installed is all im saying
[19:20] <billybigrigger> :P
[19:20] <tuukkah> billybigrigger, so those instructions won't apply for karmic anymore?
[19:21] <billybigrigger> yeah they will
[19:21] <James147> tuukkah: Is there any reason why you arent useing use-creator? karmic can be installed to usb with that
[19:21] <billybigrigger> just instead of writting the desktop image to usb, write the alternate image
[19:21] <billybigrigger> usb-creator or unetbootin
[19:21] <billybigrigger> much easier
[19:21] <billybigrigger> they are automated and are listed on that page
[19:27] <tuukkah> ok. the only problem is i'm doing this on debian lenny, which doesn't have those tools
[19:30] <billybigrigger> what tools?
[19:30] <billybigrigger> unetbootin will work on any linux distro
[19:31] <billybigrigger> debian even has unetbootin packages
[19:31] <billybigrigger> geez
[19:31] <billybigrigger> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[19:31] <billybigrigger> right at the top of the page, you can either download and run the .bin file or download debian package
[19:34] <junkY_San> hey, i'm trying to install ne kde netbook version on a one a110
[19:34] <junkY_San> the resolution is too small to view the buttons on the bottom
[19:34] <junkY_San> or maybe the installer is too big ;)
[19:34] <tuukkah> billybigrigger, you know how it goes... if it's not in the repos, it doesn't exist ;-) but thanks, i'll consider that
[19:35] <raindog> apt-get is wants to remove ubuntu-desktop, I didn't proceed, and yesterday I noticed that I no longer have a gnome option listed as session option.  I'm checking launchpad for related bugs, but does anyone have any further insight for me?
[19:36] <billybigrigger> ahem...*cough*
[19:36] <billybigrigger> $ sudo apt-get update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[19:37] <raindog> billybigrigger: Thank you.  Now get that coughed checked out.  :)
[19:37] <hifi> why did you use apt-get to update?
[19:37] <billybigrigger> raindog, your the 3rd or 4th person since yesterday that's had gnome as a session dissapear on them
[19:37] <hifi> just curious
[19:37] <billybigrigger> you wouldn't by chance have kde or xfce or both installed aswell do you?
[19:38] <raindog> billybigrigger: Why yes I do.
[19:38] <billybigrigger> :)
[19:38] <billybigrigger> hmmm include that in your bug report, i don't think anyone has filed one, mind you i haven't looked
[19:38] <raindog> Will do.
[19:38] <billybigrigger> and your running gdm, not kdm or xdm correct?
[19:39] <raindog> yes
[19:39] <billybigrigger> $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[19:39] <billybigrigger> do anything for ya?
[19:39] <raindog> I haven't tried that yet.
[19:39] <billybigrigger> giver er a go :P
[19:39] <raindog> *nods*
[19:39] <billybigrigger> im not sure if it will help...
[19:39] <raindog> Worth trying.
[19:40] <raindog> billybigrigger: Thanks again.
[19:41] <billybigrigger> np
[19:41] <billybigrigger> raindog, you could try purging gdm and re-installing it
[19:42] <billybigrigger> also, if reconfigure doesn't work
[19:42] <raindog> updated and reconfigured, will relog to check the results.
[19:44] <raindog> No change.  purging next
[19:46] <raindog> Purge wants to take ubuntu-desktop with it.
[19:47] <James147> raindog: unbuntu-desktop isent important, it just cantains links to other packages what ubuntu wants to install by default
[19:48] <James147> raindog: try reinstalling it
[19:48] <billybigrigger> Bugs #403291, #426800
[19:49] <billybigrigger> i see there were some gdm changes this morning and yesterday...
[19:49] <billybigrigger> no just early this morning, should see a fix soon
[19:51] <raindog> billybigrigger: Thanks.
[20:03] <sque> Hello. I have installed Karmic and there is a problem with setting up the external monitor with gnome-display-properties. Current it is setup to work in extended mode but trying to set it back to mirror causes a SEGFAULT on display properties window. Where are those settings stored?
[20:10] <tuukkah> sque, one thing you can check is the xrandr command
[20:47]  * JEEB just moved from 8.10 eeebuntu to ubuntu netbook remix 9.10's daily cd version
[20:47] <JEEB> Nice work has been done with the netbook GUI, I'm somewhat impressed
[20:48] <JEEB> One question though: I used the netbook<->standard gui switcher app and now I lost those nice gray'ish icons at the top. Any fix for that? I can't seem to find them in the appearance menu
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[21:22] <fagan> yo?
[21:22] <ActionParsnip> like...hi
[21:25] <fagan> I know but I dont think anyone actually uses it lol
[21:25] <ActionParsnip> oh i do
[21:25] <ActionParsnip> every day i'm no here
[21:34] <tuukkah> ok found the solution: needed to add the boot option ignore_uuid
[21:34] <lieter> hi, quick question before i try karmic: Does it come with Bash 4 or Bash 3.2?
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> 4.0.4 here
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> oops 4.0-4
[21:35] <lieter> cool, thanks :)
[21:35] <bbeck> Does anyone know if the new 2.6.31 linux kernel will be in Karmic?
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> bbeck: linux-image-2.6.31-10-generic here
[21:36] <bbeck> ActionParsnip: wow, that's awesome thanks.
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> np, dpkg -l is awesme
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> !info linux-image
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> that works too ;)
[22:00] <guntbert> I just now stumbled upon empathy - it seems to be the standard client - did you find it usable for IRC? I did not
[22:01] <ActionParsnip> guntbert: there are many other clients, you dont have to use the defaults
[22:03] <guntbert> ActionParsnip: I do well know :-) - instead of ranting I *could* have asked if it has the option to hide those "join/part" messages - I couldn't find such...
[22:04] <mostafa_> cwillu_at_work: r u there?
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> not sure duder, ive always used pidgin
[22:06] <mostafa_> ActionParsnip: I have a question if the next version for example alpha6 comes does that mean I must upgrade all of my packages? if not what kind of packages should be upgraded?
[22:07] <ActionParsnip> mostafa_: you will upgrade seamlessly to alpha6
[22:07] <mostafa_> ActionParsnip: ok dude if Beta1 comes
[22:07] <mostafa_> :D
[22:07] <ActionParsnip> mostafa_: if there is any difference between the updates you have and alpha6 you will only upgrade those
[22:07] <ActionParsnip> same again
[22:15] <AlanBell> anyone know when the partner repositories come alive in Karmic? I am particularly interested in alfresco-community which doesn't seem to be present yet
[22:21] <cwillu_at_work> mostafa_, poke poke
[22:21] <cwillu_at_work> mostafa_, the only thing you won't upgrade to is 10.04
[22:22] <henke> for a long time I've had gnome-panel freezes in karmic, but I am not sure whether there is a matching bug report. Has anybody else encountered this problem? The panel appears to stop redrawing after some time, but "wakes up" again after it is moved
[22:24] <mostafa_> cwillu_at_work: hehe :D thnx
[22:41] <JanC> henke: might be useful to check if it happens with both metacity & compiz ?
[22:51] <henke> JanC, could be. I'll give that a try
[23:06] <lokad> hello together
[23:07] <lokad> does anyone use karmic on his/ her netbook and has problems with current grub-ps (1.97 beta2)?
[23:07] <lokad> s/grub-ps/grub-pc
[23:27] <nastas> anyone with blackberry storm on ubuntu?
[23:38] <hggdh> I have a blackberry, and there is a storm outside,but I am sure this is not what you asked ;-)
[23:38] <nastas> so no one with blackberry mobile?
[23:40] <nastas> hggdh sorry my bad. i mean if there is a way to install apps in my blackberry like the windows desktop manager
[23:46] <hggdh> I am not aware of any, except for the barrybackup one
[23:48] <hggdh> oh, hasty, hasty people