[00:06] my internet works fine, frostwire and epiphany connect just fine [00:06] hey, i have my /home dir on a sd card in my acer aspire one netbook... it use to work fine with 9.04, but with 9.10 the sd card isn't mounte after I wake the computer from suspend, which obviously causes all sorts of problems. Any idea what changed that might cause this? [00:06] whats the difference between epiphany browser and epiphany (gecko) browser? [00:08] firefox doesn't connect but epiphany does just fine [00:08] its the same thing to me just different name lol [00:11] komputes: Are you ? [00:11] dto: Casandrax: I want to test it. is it a package in karmic repos or is it a PPA? [00:12] komputes: Perhaps you should call it QT and make it proprietary ? [00:12] Eye, K-dood ? [00:12] Casandrax: cute [00:13] tsk [00:13] komputes, i doubt you'll find a package for gnome3 [00:13] I heard it was supposed to be more mac-vista-ish [00:13] the look that is... [00:13] your best bet would be SVN or download the source from their git tree if they have one [00:13] QT- yeah... those guys are hopless :P [00:13] komputes: the only real choice is to run their script that downloads and builds everything. however, it worked flawlessly. [00:14] komputes: however i needed a proprietary radeon driver just to get the gnomeshell to work at all [00:14] LOL! [00:14] dto: does it create a deb package or just a dirty install from source? [00:14] komputes/dto: how fun can you get :P [00:16] "Dirty install from source" ? ... can it get any better and more clean then from source installs ? [00:16] Casandrax: yep, deb, easy to install and remove [00:16] komputes: it installs everything into ~/gnome-shell [00:17] Casandrax: how do you remove from source after you do "make install" [00:17] newbie right ? .. how long have you been using open source for ? [00:17] dto: I don't want just the shell, I want the whole desktop environment [00:17] make uninstall [00:17] Casandrax: you serious? [00:17] from the source package [00:17] yes [00:18] anyone else having trouble with firefox connecting? [00:18] it tells me offline and i know its online [00:18] How many years have you been wandering our magnificent lands for ? [00:18] this is proof lol [00:18] Casandrax: point still stands, you need to keep the source to uninstall whereas debs are kept in the apt database and can be removed whenever [00:19] komputes: install, test, like: keep. install test doesnt like, make uninstall [00:19] Very easy [00:19] Casandrax: I need to play more with installing from source - thanks for the tip [00:19] Np, keep learning my friend [00:20] Knowledge of the many is often achieved by leaning much- [00:20] learning [00:20] current gnome is 2.27, gnome 2.30 aka gnome 3 is a long ways away [00:20] lol [00:20] i would imagine any current source you come across isnt that usable [00:21] http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentyseven#head-eda85ed115a20fa5894b0da945aab5497ff1e7dc [00:21] take a look at gnome schedule [00:23] gnome is very good, the best, but the chema crap is, well.... crap. Flat configuration files are always the best according to me. They also dont need all the dependencies we have now, like xml parser crap and such. [00:24] 76'er has spoken. [00:41] how can i made a cronjob to renice the windows program fabcore.exe to 19? [00:44] alteregoa: can you simply `nice $(pidof fabcore.exe)` ? [00:50] ok [00:50] no nice starts the fabcore [00:51] the fabcore gets started from within a wine program so i must use renice [00:55] hi guys [00:55] howdy [00:55] yeah gnome 3 is something in 2020 [00:56] i need some help about gdm config : i have gnome kde xfce and enlightement on my laptop, and an update from the xfce project broke gdm. [00:57] Basically, i can't choose anymore gnome, as it get kind of deleted [00:57] alteregoa, 2020? [00:57] instead of having gnome and xfce, i have 2 xfce in my list :X [00:58] haha more like april '10 [00:58] any ideas ? [00:58] hmm [00:58] hmm, try schedtool, for that "nice" issue? [00:58] Chester_, someone else had this problem today aswell [00:58] What is fabcore? [00:58] he also ran kde xfce and gnome, using gdm [00:58] Try editing whatever launches it, perhaps? [00:58] or do you mean fahcore (folding@home)? [01:00] Chester_, have you tried $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm [01:00] ? [01:00] i man fabcore [01:01] dvdfab fabcore [01:01] i'm gonna try [01:01] see you in a minute :) [01:01] cause i cant find a gui program for linux to rip dvds to mkv [01:02] and cmdline sucks! [01:02] alteregoa, dvd::rip i think or something similar [01:02] and then use ffmpeg to re-encode dvd to mkv [01:02] i don't think you can directly rip to mkv [01:06] Chester__, did you get your gnome session back? [01:07] nope [01:07] i'm having a look @ logs [01:08] whee upstart native boot [01:11] Amaranth, ? [01:12] billybigrigger1: it's in testing still [01:12] step 1: make sure it works [01:12] step 2: make it faster [01:12] we're on step 1 :P [01:15] ok i didn't figure out where is the problem, i probably need to reinstall gnome desktop env. [01:17] ok [01:17] dependencies problems [01:17] gnome-desktop-environment: [01:17] Dépend: fast-user-switch-applet (>=2.22.0) but it is not installable [01:17] Recommande : fam mais ne doit pas être installé [01:17] sorry for the partial french in it [01:20] i don't know what to do [01:20] i need a package i can't install :S [01:21] hmm, you could try sudo aptitude reinstall ~n.*gnome.* -- what that'll do, will be to reinstall anything with "gnome" in the name, but not install anything new. [01:23] wait, what are you trying to do? [01:23] that' [01:23] i need to get back my gnome [01:24] you don't want gnome-desktop-environment [01:24] but my gnome session env. is not installed at the moment [01:24] i do want it [01:24] no no, you don't want that package [01:24] why :s? [01:24] that's a "pure" GNOME session [01:24] epiphany as web browser, etc [01:25] it's also synced from debian and we don't do anything to make it work [01:25] aw ok [01:26] looks like we actually made some changes to it a couple releases back so it hasn't been synced from debian since then [01:26] thus it is broken [01:26] we're on GNOME 2.28, that's GNOME 2.22 [01:26] i updated to grub now it wants to install lilo and mbr! [01:26] Chester__: What is the error you are getting? [01:27] i don't need lilo and mbr, i got grub2 [01:27] i don't really know what is my error actually, the only thing i know is that my gnome is missing in my gdm environement list [01:27] alteregoa: it's the kernel [01:28] Recommends: grub-pc | grub | lilo (>= 19.1) [01:28] plus i have 2 entries for xfce [01:28] it will only install lilo if you don't have grub-pc or grub installed [01:28] Chester__: Do they both boot into XFCE? [01:28] yes [01:29] i got grub-pc installed [01:29] im not that stupid [01:29] alteregoa: the only other things that could pull it in are mkrboot and mindi [01:30] Chester__: /usr/share/xsessions/gnome.desktop is provided by the gnome-session package [01:30] i check that [01:30] Chester__: sudo apt-get reinstall gnome-session [01:30] if its not in? [01:30] alteregoa: *shrug* [01:30] alteregoa: Only thing I can think of after that is apt bug [01:31] yeah its a apt bug [01:31] is there a way to blacklist those mbr and lilo? [01:31] alteregoa: file a bug [01:31] alteregoa: no, not really [01:31] http://pastebin.com/d5c84b3f5 what is wrong here? [01:32] Why can I not install eclipse? [01:32] alteregoa: does it happen with aptitude? [01:32] i have no clue with this aptitude stuff [01:33] alteregoa: you could pin them using /etc/apt/preferences, I guess [01:33] alteregoa: see man apt_preferences [01:33] alteregoa: What command are you trying to run with apt that is wanting to install lilo? [01:33] i use synaptic not apt [01:33] i hate command line [01:33] alteregoa: Ok, what are you trying to do with synaptic? [01:34] reload and apply [01:34] no, apply does something [01:34] what are you trying to apply? [01:34] then i see on the list - to install lilo and mbr [01:34] you clicked something before that [01:34] you could just close synaptic and start over [01:34] but i don't click install, cause i think this would mess up the system [01:35] alteregoa: What did you click to make apply want to do something? [01:35] hmm, you might wanna' go to "forget marked changes". [01:35] Chester__: did reinstall help? [01:35] ok [01:40] Anyone else have problems install Eclipse like I have? [01:40] http://pastebin.com/d5c84b3f5 [01:42] lordmetroid: yes [01:42] hmm [01:42] lordmetroid: last I heard eclipse was going to be removed from the archive since it is not maintained [01:42] I see, to bad, it is a nice IDE [01:43] lordmetroid: just download it from the website [01:43] Yes, but that is not the Ubuntu way [01:43] What is the latest kernel in 9.04? [01:43] !info linux-image-2.6.31-9-generic jaunty [01:43] Package linux-image-2.6.31-9-generic does not exist in jaunty [01:44] !info linux-image-2.6.31-9-generic karmic [01:44] linux-image-2.6.31-9-generic (source: linux): Linux kernel image for version 2.6.31 on x86/x86_64. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.31-9.29 (karmic), package size 27982 kB, installed size 87876 kB [01:44] ok - nevermind - thanks ubottu [01:44] lordmetroid: In this case it is broken because gcj 4.2 has been removed from the archive [01:44] lordmetroid: Hopefully it just needs a rebuild [01:47] Amaranth, how do one do that and uploads a patch for it? [01:48] Hmm, I never done any packaging before [01:48] lordmetroid: you don't [01:48] maybe I am not the right guy [01:48] iirc it's an automatic thing [01:48] well, not automatic so much, I guess [01:49] what was the issue in linux-image-2.6.31-9-generic ? [01:49] what was the issue in linux-image-2.6.31-9-generic ? [01:49] sorry for repeat [01:49] It can't be automatic, someone has to compile things and write the package dependencies, right? [01:49] MTecknology: the fact that linux-image-2.6.31-10-generic exists? [01:50] Amaranth: I know there was an issue with trying to impliment a memory thing, but I forgot what it was called [01:50] lordmetroid: hopefully the dependencies on certain versions of gcj are configured at build time so it just needs a rebuild [01:51] MTecknology: badram patches? [01:51] it was somethign to optimize memory pages I think [01:51] MTecknology: the only major difference between -9 and -10 is an intel bug fix, afaik [01:52] MTecknology: I really have no idea what you're talking about :P [01:52] KSM! [01:52] ksm? [01:52] !ksm [01:52] Sorry, I don't know anything about ksm [01:53] kernel shared memory [01:53] MTecknology: expand the macro :) [01:53] I'LL FIND THE BUG [01:53] s/CAPS/nocaps/ [01:54] MTecknology: anything in particular about kernel shared memory? :) [01:54] bug 418781 [01:55] Launchpad bug 418781 in linux "Karmic 2.6.31-7.27 KSM patchset breaks encrypted swap" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/418781 [01:56] ah, security nut :) [01:56] :P [01:56] it wasn't fixed - just deferred for 10.04 [01:56] hmm, was a new kernel just pushed out? [01:56] it had to restart after i just updated, but i didn't catch whether a kernel came [01:57] maybe i should try the realtime kernel again? [01:58] MTecknology: the KSM patchset was deferred for 10.04 [01:58] ya [01:58] MTecknology: so the bug is fixed, encrypted partitions should work again [01:58] yup [01:58] MTecknology: you want the ksm patchset? [01:58] My only system is using LUKS and on Karmic [02:01] anyway - answered the bug - time for homework [02:01] i'm thinkin i might install Karmic on my laptop... i can dea w/ the intel graphics issues, the intel audio is a bit more annoying [02:04] I need a stable system for college - so I use karmic :P [02:05] the only encryption I use, is truecrypt. [02:05] And only for stuff that I specifically want to encrypt. [02:10] I use LUKS, ecryptfs, for trasmitting I use truecrypt [02:11] I suppose if I wanted I could do drive level, truecrypt hidden volume, and pgp [02:11] of all those - pgp is probably safest :P [02:11] gpg* [02:32] hi [02:32] woo hoo! 2.6.31 kernel is out [02:32] someone here with grub-debug-foo? [02:33] i use old grub 1 so i don't know [02:33] since 1.97~beta2 it refuses to boot [02:33] is this with ext4 ? [02:33] boot on ext2 root on ext4 [02:33] lokad: What error are you getting? [02:34] It only gets to "GRUB loading." then immediately restarts the system [02:34] So no menu or anything [02:34] Ah [02:35] I've already played a bit with different "modules" settings but nothing helps [02:38] bucky: thx anyway [02:38] lokad, google for rootfs=ext4 in /etc/grub.cfg [02:39] or something like that [02:39] You meant /boot/grub/grub.cfg [02:39] thats it [02:40] hey! [02:40] mikm: in grub legacy that would mean stage2 not found [02:40] don't think thats that ... grub 1.96 works [02:40] (same config) [02:41] check the kernel dir [02:41] maybe is this [02:41] somebody knows why desapears the menu icons under GNOME??? [02:42] worlock_: Run this: gconftool-2 --set --type=bool /desktop/gnome/interface/menus_have_icons true [02:42] I think there must be something wrong with core.img [02:43] but this will be a default config for karmic or is jut temporal?? [02:43] worlock_: It was a dev decision to get rid of the icons. You can get them back with the above or Sys >Prefs > Appear : Interface [02:44] default karmic config. I only had to remove 1.97 specific uuid stuff (search --uuid ...) and manually set the kernel root [02:45] (default -> grub-mkconfig) [02:45] I read some about that... [02:46] but is more easy to find options looking for icons... I just think so... [02:46] :P [02:48] just tried with upstream grub2 - doesn't work either :-( [02:52] lokad, do you have a /boot/grub/menu.lst~ <- backup file? [02:55] any left-handed here? [03:01] ugh, USB data transfers are annoyingly slow, for some reason. [03:01] I mean, slower than usual. [03:01] Slower than in Windows, for example. [03:03] It's also giving absurdly high iowait. [03:03] The system load average is 8. [03:04] i was going to say complain about that earlier today [03:04] i thought it was just my flash drive [03:04] Nope, I'm starting to think otherwise. [03:05] i didn't look to far into it as usb transfers have always been slow for me in karmic [03:05] It's been sitting at the same percent-done for quite a while. [03:05] how big is the file your transfering? [03:05] It's a collection of files, 1.5GB. [03:05] i took me probably close to 10 mins to transfer 700mb [03:05] 1 file for me [03:05] It's on a new device (Cowon S9), so I don't know how fast it's actually supposed to be. [03:05] it was file, all the way until the last 100mb took forever [03:06] It's been saying "556.7 MB of 1.5GB -- 6 minutes left (2.4 MB/sec) for the past 5 or so minutes. [03:07] that looks too familiar :) [03:08] In fact, even a 'cp' is being seemingly faster. [03:09] at least I can see (with wmhdplop) some disk activity. === lokad1 is now known as lokad [03:10] wmdhplop? haha thats new to me [03:14] hey anyone got eclipse working? [03:14] eclipse has unmet deps in karmic it seems [03:16] wow, 2.6.31 went stable sometime today [03:16] i just checked this morning and told someone to grab 2.6.30.5 as it was latest stable haha [03:18] hmm, the actual transfer speed is about the same in Windows, actually. [03:18] billybigrigger cool new features http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_31 [03:18] BUt at least I can do two transfers at once without them both getting stuck. [03:18] bucky, i've been using 31 since rc1 :P i' [03:18] m aware of the features [03:19] billybigrigger you got ati card? [03:19] negative my friend [03:19] nvidia here [03:19] no kms for me :( [03:19] wonder how the new ati driver works in the kernel [03:19] dunno [03:20] for some it works, others not so well [03:20] fedora has nvidia KMS [03:22] might just have to give fedora a go :) [03:23] Amaranth, how well does it work? [03:23] *shrug* [03:23] CUSE looks pretty awesome [03:23] cuse? [03:24] yup... but do you really need it if you have a good audio card [03:24] bucky: uh, yes [03:24] bucky: it lets pulseaudio do proper OSS emulation [03:24] interestingly pulseaudio is the only frontend that can use it now apparently [03:25] oh.. well that is cool [03:25] billybigrigger: you've been using 2.6.30 since rc1, you know all the features, right? :) [03:25] 31 [03:25] ALL the features? haha no not all [03:25] you know.. i've been around for a little while but i am impressed with how good linux is getting lately [03:26] i know intel/radeon have kms support, the butterfs is new, uhh my gspca webcam doesn't work since rc1... [03:26] s/31/30 [03:27] i bought a cheap multimedia keyboard on an impulse buy and all the keys work... plug and play [03:27] it all boils down to the distro [03:28] i915 : Change GEM throttling to be 20ms (improves high-settings openarena performance on my GM45 by 50%) [03:29] Add rv740 drm support [03:29] DanaG, you have that wmhdplop in your taskbar? or just running in its own small window? [03:30] I just run it in a window. [03:30] wmhdplop -c2 -g128x128. [03:30] sets color scheme to a nicer one. [03:31] haha how do you tell your xfer rate from that? lol [03:34] ahh i see now [04:07] PulseAudio 0.9.16 is available in the ubuntu-audio-dev PPA [04:11] hi crimsun [04:25] Hi [04:25] IH [04:26] nice packages crimsun.. thank you [04:27] I tried hooking up my ipod(nano 2gb 2gen) to my acer aspire one netbook with ubuntu karmic alpha 5 on it, and when ever I try accessing any files on my ipod either though a media player or nautilus it gives me a "internal data flow" error, now what the heck does that mean?? [04:28] probably a permissions problem.. i never tried that so i don't know [04:29] oh and a note, I have been able to play music on my ipod even after this error, I know this because I'm using my ipod right now [04:29] well if its a permission prob how do I fix it? [04:29] chmod? [04:30] on its dev file? [04:30] My external mic is still not working with PA 0.9.16, after purging PA it works charmly :) [04:31] or what [04:31] ? [04:31] I don't what to loose my music [04:34] I wonder if we're going to use OSS Proxy [04:36] anyone? [04:41] oh nvm [04:41] I'll fix it [04:41] somehow [04:44] hello [04:56] Is it possible to put karmic on a USB stick to boot live? [04:56] (yet) [04:57] don't know i can't even get it to boot off a live cd [04:57] I just wanted to see if my NIC module was fixed yet [04:57] It isn't showing fixed at the bug report [04:57] so I doubt it [04:57] It broke when it went to Intrepid and still is in Jaunty [04:57] So I said screw that and didn't want to run old software (hardy) [04:58] hmmm [04:58] installed XP [04:58] http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11998 [04:58] bugzilla.kernel.org bug 11998 in Network "e1000e driver does not initialize correctly" [Normal,Assigned] [04:58] it worked fine in hardy [04:58] * Name141 shrugs [04:58] everything worked on 9.04, can't even get 9.10 to boot [04:59] Some people told me to see if the newer kernel in karmic would work [04:59] i swear every time they release a new version they break more stuff then they fix [04:59] argh [04:59] anyone here use rawdisk mode in virtualbox? [05:01] Name141: didn't live work with karmic before? I thought that was the standard way (I put 9.04 on an usb stick yesterday with unetbootin and it became a "live" when I booted it) [05:12] ok I give [05:12] can't get my ipod working [05:13] i have a stupid question: does karmic fix the intel video chipset/xorg fiasco? [05:23] pantaloon, intel gfx are good in karmic i've heard [05:24] help my ipod won't work [05:24] re-asking from earlier [05:25] ugh, when doing multiple file operations at once, gnome file-copy thingy slows down quite horribly. [05:26] billybigrigger, thanks...i'll find out soon [05:26] installing right now [05:26] i also found the xorg edgers driver [05:26] I have a ipod(2gb 2gen nano) and I'm trying to connected to my acer aspire one with ubuntu karmic alpha 5 on it, and I get this error "internal data flow error" now what is that and how do I fix? [05:26] so if it still doesn't work, i can try that [05:27] System load average is 12.96. [05:28] And some of the file copy operations have been sitting at "0 seconds left" for over a minute. [05:28] bonjour [05:29] avahi! [05:29] ShapeShifter499, did you try mounting the ipod manually [05:29] (sorry, that's a nerdy joke.) [05:29] no [05:29] how do I do that? [05:30] is ext4 the default in karmic? [05:31] if you originally set up your ipod on a windows machine it should have fat32 and should mount just like an external hdd [05:32] so I unmount than [05:32] what? [05:36] so it's mounting properly? [05:36] what software is throwing the error? [05:37] all media players [05:38] the media players are giving me the errors [05:39] my card reader didn't work i tried it today [05:40] one thing is odd the Palimpsest Disk Utility is saying there are 2 partitions on my ipod [05:41] one thats 1.9 gb and one that is not readable and at 99 mb big [05:41] have you tried using xine? instead of gstreamer apps? [05:43] no [05:43] it could be your decoder [05:44] how do i tell? [05:44] try a different one [05:44]