| siji | ogra, need help | 07:18 |
|---|---|---|
| siji | i updated the kernel as per ur doc | 07:18 |
| siji | for getting SGX support | 07:18 |
| siji | no my ubuntu is running frm 2.6.29 | 07:19 |
| siji | but it's giving only 640x480 resolution | 07:19 |
| mike^ | siji: can you send me the doc about getting SGX support, pls? | 07:35 |
| siji | mike^,http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu | 07:35 |
| siji | which kernel u are using? | 07:36 |
| siji | this doc is for ubuntu | 07:36 |
| mike^ | I'm using linux-omap from mainline | 07:36 |
| mike^ | 10x | 07:37 |
| siji | it's already build with SGX support I think | 07:37 |
| siji | and which OS? | 07:37 |
| mike^ | Linux :), well, I'm experimenting with Ubuntu and OE | 07:37 |
| siji | ok for ubuntu refer the above link | 07:38 |
| siji | ogra made it very nicely | 07:38 |
| mike^ | indeed | 07:39 |
| mike^ | thanks for the link | 07:39 |
| siji | mike^ say thanks to ogra :) | 07:41 |
| mike^ | ogra, thanks :) | 07:42 |
| siji | ogra,I solved | 07:53 |
| siji | now it's running with proper resolution | 07:53 |
| siji | :) | 07:53 |
| mike^ | ericm_: Hi | 07:56 |
| ericm_ | hi mike^ | 08:00 |
| ericm_ | nice to see you here | 08:01 |
| ericm_ | are you getting ubuntu running on your boards, heh? | 08:01 |
| mike^ | it's semi-illegal :) CompuLab does not allow using IRC :) | 08:01 |
| mike^ | on the pxa270-based :) | 08:02 |
| ericm_ | oh, bad | 08:02 |
| ericm_ | mike^, yeah, ogra has made it very easy, you might try out his rootstock | 08:02 |
| mike^ | kidding :) we are now deep in omap development | 08:02 |
| ericm_ | mike^, that's bad news for Marvell | 08:03 |
| mike^ | I did, I have Ubuntu running on omap3evm | 08:03 |
| mike^ | don't tell them :) | 08:03 |
| ericm_ | mike^, that's great | 08:03 |
| mike^ | ericm_, that's not that we're not going to make any Marvell-based products in the future | 08:04 |
| mike^ | it's just that Aspen is not that good :) | 08:04 |
| mike^ | ericm_, did you by chance have a hands on experience with Dove? | 08:05 |
| ericm_ | mike^, you may ask bjf about dove | 08:06 |
| ericm_ | mike^, I might be taking care of Dove when there are any real products available on the market | 08:06 |
| mike^ | ericm_, I've seen somewhere there's Ubuntu for Dove, I thought it was your work :) | 08:07 |
| ericm_ | mike^, not really, most of the kernel work is done by Marvell Israel | 08:08 |
| ogra | mike^, it's NCommander for rolling the images and bjf for the kernel ... userspace is identical to imx51 | 08:08 |
| mike^ | and what about gfx/video acceleration? | 08:09 |
| ogra | not in the archive yet | 08:09 |
| ogra | i know there are drivers being developed by marvell though | 08:09 |
| ericm_ | mike^, that's a real headache - not really a technical issue ;) | 08:09 |
| mike^ | ogra: btw, I have Ubuntu on omap3evm and it's somewhat, well, slow | 08:10 |
| mike^ | is iMX51 better? | 08:10 |
| ogra | all the imx51 boards you can get atm are shipped with 512MB ... so yeah | 08:10 |
| mike^ | ogra: it's just the memory or the SoC is faster? | 08:11 |
| ogra | but indeed it depends what you want to do ... wrt graphics omap is advanced because TI at least released some drivers | 08:11 |
| ogra | SoC is 800MHz | 08:11 |
| NCommander | ogra, do you know if publisher having issues? | 08:12 |
| * NCommander is waiting for his kernel to publish since three hours ago :-) | 08:13 | |
| mike^ | ogra: I need to choose the best SoC for company future system-on-module :) | 08:13 |
| ogra | no idea, just finishing my first coffee here and wading through last nights pings | 08:13 |
| ogra | mike^, whats the target you want to achieve with the SoC | 08:13 |
| mike^ | ogra, building block for net-top like devices | 08:14 |
| mike^ | well, actually net-top like device without the box | 08:14 |
| ogra | well, depends what you want to invest :) imx51 is great but there are graphical constraints and all peripherial devices are routed through USB (including the disk adapters) | 08:15 |
| mike^ | ogra, and what about Dove? | 08:16 |
| ogra | dove will likely not be available for the price you can buy imx51 HW for but will have a proper SATA adapter and i have seen that there is work going on for an X server | 08:16 |
| ogra | so if price is your concern, go with imx51 ... if you want a well supported and speedy solution and can afford to pay a little more, go with dove | 08:17 |
| mike^ | ogra, thanks for the advice :) | 08:18 |
| * mike^ downloaded OMAP3 GFX SDK and starts testing SGX with Ubuntu | 08:19 | |
| * ericm_ has to reboot his laptop | 08:23 | |
| mike^ | ogra, btw, I don't quite understand how the gfx acceleration is supposed to work on omap with SGX. The xserver-xorg-video-omapfb can utilize the SGX hw? | 08:23 |
| ogra | no idea, i havnet touched any omap HW for quite some time | 08:24 |
| ogra | lool might be able to help here | 08:24 |
| mike^ | ogra, 10x, I'll wait for lool :) | 08:24 |
| suihkulokki | mike^: no SGX, but uses DSS for xvideo acceleratioon | 08:25 |
| mike^ | suihkulokki, then SGX can be used only for GL-based apps? | 08:26 |
| suihkulokki | mike^: with omapfb xserver, that is the case. IIRC there are other xservers which try to use SGX with varying success | 08:28 |
| ogra | suihkulokki, i found my mono issues with qemu-arm-static btw ... its totally unrelated to qemu :) | 08:30 |
| mike^ | suihkulokki, good to know, thanks | 08:31 |
| ogra | NCommander, ABI bump ... please take care | 08:41 |
| NCommander | ogra, I saw, thanks (the kernel team drops a mail on the installer list, and I've been tracking uploads :-)) | 08:42 |
| ogra | so you already talked to colin ? | 08:42 |
| NCommander | ogra, can you bump the ABI in the d-i bzr repo when you get a chance (unless you prefer I create a branch) | 08:43 |
| NCommander | ogra, not yet, I saw it towards EOD yesterday | 08:43 |
| ogra | nope, fine with me | 08:43 |
| ogra | i just dont want to have to track it myself all the time | 08:43 |
| * NCommander wishes there was a less manual way to handle ABI bumps | 08:43 | |
| lool | ogra, mike^: Sorry I never played with SGX | 08:53 |
| ogra | NCommander, it will come, lool filed a bug for it long ago and i saw it's being worked on | 08:55 |
| lool | ogra NCommander: This upload should drop versions in udeb filenames | 08:57 |
| lool | chroot-autobuild/build/buildd/kernel-image-2.6.31-100-imx51-di_2.6.31-100.7_armel.udeb: | 08:58 |
| lool | drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2009-08-25 03:03 ./ | 08:58 |
| lool | fail | 08:58 |
| lool | drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2009-08-25 03:02 ./boot/ | 08:58 |
| lool | -rw-r--r-- root/root 2970624 2009-08-25 03:02 ./boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-100-imx51 | 08:58 |
| lool | -rw-r--r-- root/root 3361440 2009-09-10 04:12 ./boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-204-dove-z0 | 08:59 |
| lool | and fail here too | 08:59 |
| lool | tss | 08:59 |
| ogra | bah | 08:59 |
| lool | apparently next upload | 09:17 |
| lool | hm no | 09:17 |
| lool | ah yes | 09:18 |
| lool | only commit since last upload is this fix | 09:18 |
| lool | and not committed in dove at all | 09:22 |
| lool | bjf: ^ | 09:23 |
| rabeeh | bjf: do you have board tracking number? | 09:46 |
| rabeeh | lool: did you get tracking number? | 09:46 |
| lool | rabeeh: bjf got the board | 09:54 |
| lool | rabeeh: I thought I had pinged you about that late yesterday but it seems I forgot sorry | 09:55 |
| siji | HI all am trying to compile clutter with SGX support | 11:55 |
| siji | giving error like egl.h not found | 11:55 |
| siji | frm where can i download it | 11:55 |
| lool | in the SGX SDK I guess | 11:56 |
| siji | lool, u mean powervr? | 11:57 |
| mike^ | siji, it should be somewhere in OMAP-GFX-SDK | 12:00 |
| siji | mike^, ya | 12:00 |
| mike^ | ~/arm/omap/OMAP35x_Graphics_SDK_3_00_00_09 $ find . -name \*egl.h | 12:01 |
| mike^ | ./GFX_Linux_SDK/OVG/SDKPackage/Builds/OVG/Include/GLES/egl.h | 12:01 |
| mike^ | ./GFX_Linux_SDK/OGLES/SDKPackage/Builds/OGLES/Include/GLES/egl.h | 12:01 |
| mike^ | ./GFX_Linux_SDK/OGLES2/SDKPackage/Builds/OGLES2/Include/EGL/egl.h | 12:01 |
| mike^ | ./include/wsegl.h | 12:01 |
| siji | i already put a request for getting it | 12:01 |
| siji | but no respond yet | 12:01 |
| mike^ | siji, OE has libgles-omap3 recipy | 12:02 |
| siji | ok | 12:02 |
| mike^ | siji, this might be usefull: http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/powervr-drivers/libgles-omap3.inc | 12:03 |
| siji | ok thanks mike^ | 12:04 |
| siji | will it work if i just copied that egl.h to destination directory | 12:06 |
| mike^ | siji, don't know, I never used clutter | 12:07 |
| siji | mike^, ok | 12:07 |
| siji | mike^, nope | 12:28 |
| siji | giving the same error | 12:28 |
| siji | checking GLES/egl.h usability... no | 12:28 |
| siji | checking GLES/egl.h presence... no | 12:28 |
| siji | checking for GLES/egl.h... no | 12:28 |
| siji | configure: error: Unable to locate required GLES headers | 12:28 |
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| Mysterious | help! I need somebody. Help not just anybody. heeelp ; D | 13:54 |
| Mysterious | my pocket pc is running on arm9. i need a precompiled kernel image | 13:55 |
| mike^ | Mysterious, what is your pocket pc model? | 14:19 |
| siji | Mysterious, or what is your pocket model? :) | 14:21 |
| mike^ | checking GLES/egl.h usability... yes | 14:46 |
| mike^ | checking GLES/egl.h presence... yes | 14:46 |
| mike^ | checking for GLES/egl.h... yes | 14:46 |
| mike^ | checking GLES/gl.h usability... yes | 14:46 |
| mike^ | checking GLES/gl.h presence... yes | 14:46 |
| mike^ | checking for GLES/gl.h... yes | 14:46 |
| mike^ | checking for eglInitialize in -lGLES_CM... yes | 14:46 |
| mike^ | siji, is that what you're looking for? | 14:46 |
| siji | mike^,yes | 14:58 |
| siji | mike^,u there | 15:01 |
| siji | ?? | 15:01 |
| mike^ | Mysterious, what is your pocket pc model? | 15:03 |
| mike^ | siji, I've built it natively | 15:03 |
| mike^ | apt-get build-dep clutter | 15:03 |
| siji | oh ok | 15:03 |
| siji | let me try | 15:03 |
| siji | thanks | 15:03 |
| mike^ | cp /path/to/GFX/SDK/Include/... /usr/include | 15:03 |
| mike^ | etc.. | 15:03 |
| siji | ok | 15:04 |
| Mysterious | oh hi | 15:04 |
| mike^ | siji, the debian rules for clutter use glx as default GL flavour, so be careful | 15:04 |
| Mysterious | Well | 15:04 |
| Mysterious | it's not really a pocket pc but a navigation system | 15:04 |
| mike^ | Mysterious, what is its model? | 15:05 |
| mike^ | CPU? | 15:05 |
| Mysterious | my processor type is: Samsung ARM920T-S3C2443 | 15:05 |
| Mysterious | 128MB RAM | 15:06 |
| Mysterious | pre installed wince core 5.0 | 15:06 |
| mike^ | I'm not sure Ubuntu will live on that | 15:06 |
| Mysterious | :( | 15:06 |
| mike^ | you can try OpenEmbedded | 15:07 |
| Mysterious | ok | 15:07 |
| Mysterious | have you got experiances in using CyaCE | 15:07 |
| mike^ | as for the kernel, s3c are supported by the mainline, but most probably you'll need to add a file or two to make it work on your device | 15:07 |
| mike^ | what is CyaCE? | 15:07 |
| Mysterious | It's a Bootloader that might be able to run linux from wince environment | 15:08 |
| Mysterious | http://www.linux-mips.org/linux-vr/booting.html | 15:08 |
| mike^ | Mysterious, first time here about it :) | 15:11 |
| Mysterious | :S | 15:11 |
| Mysterious | The program says that it needs a precompiled kernel image "vmlinux" or something like that | 15:13 |
| mike^ | Mysterious, so you'll need to build one :) I'd recommend googling for "your navigator name" + Linux | 15:15 |
| Mysterious | oh i think there will be no results | 15:15 |
| mike^ | give it a try | 15:15 |
| Mysterious | probably i am the first one trying to run linux on this pna :/ but ok | 15:16 |
| siji | mike^, I need to go now,Will try it tmrw | 15:16 |
| siji | Goodnight | 15:16 |
| mike^ | siji, good luck :) | 15:16 |
| siji | tks | 15:16 |
| Mysterious | i can't find anything :( | 15:20 |
| mike^ | <Mysterious, so you're all alone :) | 15:21 |
| mike^ | have to go, bye | 15:22 |
| Mysterious | noo mike^ help me ; _ ; | 15:22 |
| Mysterious | >.< | 15:22 |
| Mysterious | great | 15:22 |
| neonfreon | wg 2 | 19:16 |
| erikcorry | Does Ubuntu on ARM require an ARMv7 CPU? | 20:29 |
| pwnguin | erikcorry: from the wiki: * | 21:05 |
| pwnguin | Ubuntu targets the ARM EABI, with an expectation of minimum compliance with the ARMv5t instruction set. | 21:05 |
| pwnguin | the question is, does the cpu you have in mind comply with ARMv5t? | 21:05 |
| erikcorry | My question is, which instructions can I use :-) | 21:08 |
| pwnguin | anything in ARMv5t | 21:09 |
| erikcorry | Optimised libraries for ARMv6 and ARMv7 are expected to be available where there is significant performance gain. " | 21:09 |
| erikcorry | That's nice too. | 21:09 |
| pwnguin | i wouldn't expect any of the 3d stuff with omap or anything | 21:10 |
| pwnguin | or whatever that crazy arm vector stuff is | 21:10 |
| pwnguin | NEON | 21:11 |
| erikcorry | That's the one. | 21:11 |
| erikcorry | I would imagine that lots of apps would be faster if they can assume vfp. | 21:11 |
| erikcorry | I wonder how smooth the process of having more than one .deb file for a package can be made. | 21:12 |
| erikcorry | So the user can get the right one. | 21:12 |
| pwnguin | hmm | 21:12 |
| pwnguin | ARM926EJ | 21:12 |
| pwnguin | i thought this device was crappier than arm8 | 21:12 |
| pwnguin | arm9 i mean | 21:12 |
| erikcorry | In the case of the app I am thinkig of (Chromium) there might also be quite a benefit from being able to assume Thumb2 ie ARMv7. | 21:12 |
| pwnguin | at least in x86 land, the technique has been to target high profile plumbing | 21:13 |
| pwnguin | custom kernels | 21:13 |
| pwnguin | and i think libc | 21:14 |
| pwnguin | and then to build the archive for a narrow instruction set but favor the newer processor timings for optimization | 21:14 |
| erikcorry | We'll see how that pans out. | 21:16 |
| erikcorry | But it's nice to be able to assume ARMv5 at least. | 21:16 |
| pwnguin | man ARM is a mess | 21:16 |
| pwnguin | 6 processor lines, different ABIs | 21:17 |
| pwnguin | and they're all called ARM | 21:17 |
| pwnguin | ive got a wrt54g and a NAS running arm. i'm just glad they can run ssh and irssi, let alone browsers or javascript ;) | 21:19 |
| suihkulokki | pwnguin: wrt54g is not arm | 21:29 |
| pwnguin | suihkulokki: oh. huh. apparently they're mips | 21:44 |
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