[00:04] <flaccid> oh and thanks for the debian images, erichammond , much appredciated :)
[00:04] <flaccid> -d
[00:06] <flaccid> erichammond: are you going to do regular re-bundles with purely the deb updates by any chance ?
[00:12] <erichammond> flaccid: Could you rephrase that question?  I'm not sure I know what you mean.
[00:13] <flaccid> erichammond: so do a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade (or dist-upgrade) then re-bundle it like http://alestic.com/mt/mt-search.cgi?search=bundle&IncludeBlogs=1&limit=20
[00:13] <flaccid> essentially just creating an up-2-date AMI
[00:14] <erichammond> flaccid: Yes, I regularly release updated AMIs for Ubuntu and Debian and they always include the latest package updates.
[00:15] <erichammond> I tend to do this every month or two, not on a fixed schedule.
[00:15] <flaccid> ooo, let me just check that again :)
[00:15] <flaccid> ok thanks for the detail
[00:15] <erichammond> The last set of images were released 2009-08-04
[00:16] <flaccid> erichammond:  so is that Debian 5.0 Lenny	ami-ff46a796	ami-2d46a74      ami-fd46a794    ami-2b46a742  on your homepage ?
[00:16] <erichammond> To get notified of new releases, join the ec2ubuntu Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/ec2ubuntu
[00:17] <flaccid> ah yep did that yesterday. but is the one above the latest one you mentioned or is that somewhere else ?
[00:21] <flaccid> wb
[00:22] <erichammond> flaccid: Yes, the latest releases are listed on http://alestic.com
[00:22] <flaccid> so wouldn't that 5.01 not 5.00 ?
[00:23] <flaccid> actually 5.03 atm
[00:24] <erichammond> flaccid: I just say "5.0".  I don't know what that implies in the Debian world as I don't use Debian.  Perhaps I should just say "5"
[00:26] <flaccid> erichammond: well if you check lsb_release , you will see it is at Description: Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 (lenny). if you advised this version number and also the just recorded the date on your site, i would much appreciate it. keep in mind users new to the site atm will see 5 and assume its not updated
[00:29] <flaccid> seeing that it is at a certain point release and the date is much helpful
[00:30] <erichammond> flaccid: You can see the date it was built by looking at the AMI manifest using ec2-describe-images or equivalent.
[00:31] <erichammond> On many of them, you can click through to see the documentation on Amazon's web site and read the "History" section for the latest changes and release date.
[00:31] <flaccid> yeah, but if you noted this on the website, users would not have to do that. and i guess in terms of the point release they would have to use the AMI first. its a lot just to find out these two things
[00:31] <erichammond> flaccid: Understood, and I appreciate the suggestion.
[00:32] <flaccid> but will you implement the suggestion ? :)
[00:32] <erichammond> flaccid: It goes into the list of requests and gets prioritized :)
[00:32] <flaccid> ok nps!
[00:33] <erichammond> flaccid: Short answer: not for a while, if ever
[00:34] <flaccid> well atm technically http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/entry.jspa?externalID=1615&categoryID=101 is wrong because if it was updated on 2009-08-04 it would probably be 5.03, not 5.01 ... i wouldn't think that this change would take much time to action..
[00:35] <erichammond> Each time I build new images, there are about 50 AMIs involved.  It takes a lot of work to update all of the existing documentation and I'm doing this in my spare time.
[00:35] <erichammond> flaccid: Where do you see "5.01"?
[00:35] <flaccid> sorry that was meant to to be 5.0
[00:36] <flaccid> ok understood y0
[00:36] <erichammond> flaccid: So here is where I might be misunderstanding Debian lingo: Would "5.0" not include the entire 5.0.0, 5.0.1, 5.0.2, 5.0.3 series?
[00:37] <erichammond> In Ubuntu, I consider 8.04 to include 8.04.1
[00:37] <flaccid> this is a point of contention
[00:37] <erichammond> I see.  Well I guess I know which camp I fall in :)
[00:38] <erichammond> flaccid: Do folks say "Debian 5" to mean the whole series?
[00:38] <flaccid> true true
[00:38] <flaccid> i think its a mix of both sides
[00:40] <flaccid> if you could just mention the current point release in addition to eg. Debian 5.0 Lenny with upgraded packages (as of 2009-08-04) in the future, i'll be very happy with that..
[00:40] <flaccid> like Debian 5.0 Lenny with upgraded packages to 5.0.3 (as of 2009-08-04)
[00:41] <flaccid> that clearly shows where its at
[00:42] <flaccid> the version numbering follows the GNU standard and is referred to as an update or point release
[00:42] <flaccid> Wikipedia says: Latest update 5.0.3 was released 2009-09-05 , so i guess your latest is actually probably 5.0.2, so you are just 1 point/update behind..
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