[00:00] then his approval application should reflect it [00:00] there is no list of any community activities [00:00] all vague statements [00:00] Pedro_: The Ubuntu-SP have a huge volume of people, is virtually impossibile be focused on Ubuntu-BR either. We have a continental country. [00:00] linuxmen: 3 againist , 1 for, one neutral, We would like to see you try again in a couple of months [00:00] NOTE: Please be ready when you are called. When questioned, try to respond as quick as possible. time is running out :( [00:01] Technoviking, nixternal: Both lajjr and AliTabuger7_ have agreed (in a private chat) to allow me to go next as I have to leave at 23:30 for work and will otherwise not be around for my evaluation. I didn't realize each person would take 30mins. Is this okay with the board? [00:01] lajjr and AliTabuge: you don't mind that stochastic goes next? [00:01] Yes I did agree..if allowed. [00:01] rock on [00:01] I'm ok with it since he does have to be somewhere [00:01] that is totally groovy, thanks guys for letting him go [00:01] Thank you both for the very kind gesture [00:01] we only have time for 1 or maybe 2 more people [00:01] I owe you each a beer/coffe/tea [00:01] np [00:02] As long as I get to go still, whatever. [00:02] stochastic: go ahead and introduce yourself...trying to push this a bit quicker so we can get some more in [00:02] AliTabuger7_: yes, you will get to go, we will not leave you hanging [00:02] thank you guys! [00:02] Hi I'm Eric Hedekar https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EricHedekar [00:02] https://launchpad.net/~stochastic [00:03] I'm a member of the Ubuntu Studio development team, a moderator for UbuntuForums.org (just in the Multimedia Production section), and a general advocate of Ubuntu [00:03] hold a sec, we lost a board member due to battery issues [00:04] shall I repeat when pedro returns? === zZzZ-_- is now known as st33med [00:05] Pedro??? [00:05] stochastic: continue on, 4 == quorum so we have that [00:05] stochastic: go ahead [00:06] * nixternal read "I'm a musician (with a BFA from STFU)" [00:06] * nixternal wants to go to that university [00:06] I've steadily been getting more familiar with the Ubuntu contribution mechanism and have plans to grow my packaging list even larger in 10.04 [00:07] stochastic: I see you like to package, any plans for Universe Contributors, MOTU, or Core Developer in the near future? [00:07] You should at least apply for Universe Contrib imho [00:07] nixternal, yes I'd love to be a MOTU eventually [00:07] this is the first step for me [00:07] you seem to be well on your way there...your packages look good :) [00:07] so do your boogs [00:08] boogs? [00:08] any plans on contributing to the greater Ubuntu project outside of Ubuntu Studio? Is there anything in Ubuntu Studio community wise you would like to see in ubuntu or vice versa? [00:08] bugs :) [00:08] I have a blog on open source audio at http://greyrockstudio.blogspot.com and I'm getting more and more active in the Vancouver LoCo [00:08] stochastic: How do you plan to fix pulse audio:) [00:09] Technoviking, with hard determined bug fixing... [00:09] or with a sledgehammer [00:10] my next goal is to help get the Jack audio server into main so that firewire audio cards can integrate with desktop audio [00:10] and integrate with Pulse Audio [00:10] you aren't from the Burgers.... here is a goal for you and the LoCo Team. Aaron Seigo (aseigo on IRC) is one of the KDE leaders...get him to join the team and you are golden :p [00:10] you talk about being a mod in the multimedia area, but you have not done much on the forums since April [00:10] stochastic: are you working with Daniel Chen (dtchen or crimsun on IRC) with Pulse Audio? [00:10] * stochastic looks up Aaron Seigo [00:11] he just moved to Vancouver [00:11] Technoviking? I'm on the forums almost everyday [00:11] ScottK: you think he can get aseigo to join the loco? :D [00:12] ;-) [00:12] IIRC he uses opensuse. [00:12] stochastic: sorry about that, just found a forum bug [00:12] :) [00:12] nixternal, I'm only starting to get familiar with Pulse Audio, my main knowledge speciality is ProAudio [00:13] good testimonials...anyone here that would like to say anything further on stochastic? [00:13] stochastic has been a great contributor to UbuntuStudio in recent times, both with bug fixes, package additions, and helping to move things like jack/ffado into main. [00:14] stochastic is good at explaining things on ubuntuforums .. used his notes many times [00:14] oh no, you actually got TheMuso to speak up....trouble :) [00:14] stochastic also managed to get several new packages into the Ubuntu archive, which are now shipped as part of UbuntuStudio./ [00:14] TheMuso: how come you haven't pushed him to us over in MOTU land yet :) [00:14] +1 here, great forums work and fanatastic work in universe [00:14] * nixternal +1 [00:15] nixternal: I wasn't aware whether he was doing other things in the community, and I haven't had time to read his wiki page to find out. [00:15] +1 [00:15] stochastic: seriously, start your universe contribs application, and then in the next couple of months, about the beginning of Karmic+1, go for MOTU! [00:15] I'm on my way to MOTU... [00:15] * stochastic starts walking there right now. [00:15] Bare in mind archive reorg is coming. [00:15] stochastic: haha [00:15] TheMuso: I heard that 2 years ago :p [00:16] ya, we are gearing up for that already in the MC [00:16] nixternal: read the tech board minutes, and I think you'll find thigns are moving along. [00:16] yup, and we are starting to discuss it in MC on where and how to move forward [00:16] +1 [00:16] * nixternal is excited (kind of, I know it will be a ton of work) [00:16] ok [00:16] +1 [00:16] CONGRATS stochastic and WELCOME TO UBUNTU! [00:17] congratz stochastic [00:17] Thank you all, and once again, thanks to lajjr and AliTabuger [00:17] stochastic: Congrats! [00:17] np. [00:17] Be safe. [00:17] congratulation stochastic [00:17] Have fun at work [00:17] congrats stochastic [00:18] lajjr! [00:18] lajjr: you are next, please introduce yourself [00:18] ok.. [00:18] My name is Leo Jackson I have started off with Ubuntu Dapper Drake 6.04 I was giving it a try, I continue to use it and changed to different versions while working at starting a new aspect of my Company. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/lajjr https://launchpad.net/~lajjr [00:18] I changed to 7+ then 8+ and now I have Ubuntu Jaunty 9.04 on my system. I started to try to help with Items I like. Art, Graphics etc. I enjoy Inkscape so I start answering some questions. I start to do some answers in Ubuntu and bugs. [00:18] I continue to add groups and start doing bugs. I also tried my hand out at packaging. Now I am at a road I want to do more so I am trying to mentor some and I added Ubuntu to my servers. I also test the new version now being Karmic. [00:18] I will try to work toward being MOTU, Ubuntu Developer, Bug Control, and kill bug #1 [00:18] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Timeout) [00:18] good luck to those who remain. I gotta go. [00:19] I will be help mentor some to. [00:20] I am a programmer in my company. [00:20] Can I make a shout out for him right away? [00:21] if allowed. [00:22] MTecknology: go ahead [00:22] Probably reading your profile atm.. [00:22] ok [00:22] lajjr has been helping me learn how to triage bug lately. He also intends to teach me how to package for the motu. In addition to this, he plans to help me learn how to work with the Linux kernel for the kernel team. Considering he is on the kernel team and active in packaging and bug control, I feel he is extremely qualified to help tutor me. If you know anything about the Ubuntu-Drupal team, he's been active in developing a [00:22] As far as devoting himself to the community, I haven't seen many members go beyond his level. He's been an exceptional addition to every team I've seen him in. lajjr has been helping me learn how to triage bug lately. He also intends to teach me how to package for the motu. In addition to this, he plans to help me learn how to work with the Linux kernel for the kernel team. [00:22] Considering he is on the kernel team and active in packaging and bug control, I feel he is extremely qualified to help tutor me. If you know anything about the Ubuntu-Drupal team, he's been active in developing a Planet module for Drupal which will mimic PlanetPlanet. As far as devoting himself to the community, I haven't seen many members go beyond his level. He's been an exceptional addition to every team I've seen him in. [00:22] I can't see him being anything other than a shining model of what an Ubuntu member should be. One thing I've noticed is that he doesn't like to take credit for his own work. He's prefer to let a team take credit for the work he's done. This shows me that he really is devoted to working as a community member and contributing to a whole rather than getting credit for his own work. This is an ideal example of "The Spirit of Ubunt [00:22] hopefully none cut off [00:23] I try to help more then do my own lol.. [00:23] Ubuntu was cut.. [00:24] Thank you MTecknology [00:24] lajjr: np - all honesty [00:25] lajjr: I see you are intending on joining MOTU, but do not see your name on the list 'MOTU/Council/Meeting' or the MC Mailing List....if you go for MOTU, you also get Ubuntu Membership...you didn't need to become a member first :) [00:26] I would like to take some packages to their under me before doing that. [00:26] also, you might want to have packages uploaded to Universe before applying for MOTU, as all I see are packages in your PPA...do you plan on getting packages into Universe? [00:26] lajjr: You seem to be a member on alot of LP teams, what areas interests you most and where do you want to contribute to Ubuntu most? [00:26] Yes. I do..I paln on getting as many packages in as possible. [00:27] what is up with all of the languages on your LP page? [00:27] well I took Lang art in college I was a translator for a court and airport for 5 years. [00:28] I see you are a member of Kubuntu bugs, a team in which I am a part of...what have you done for that team and what are your future plans for that team? [00:29] well I joined in hope to help get KDE package in I test the packages I create. I want to help make it work for all desktops. [00:30] So I like the gnome but my wife is KDE so I want to make it possible for her to help and contribute. [00:30] ahh, now I know why your nick was familiar, you helped me with a drupal issue a few months back [00:30] He's been teaching more than just me to manage bugs [00:31] The area that intrest me is graphics and programming. [00:31] yep a bit back. [00:32] yes I try to help and simplify any problems to new comers My company has 37 persons going to get on to launchpad I hope soon.. [00:32] lajjr: any difficulties or issues you have experienced in the community and if so any ideas on how to fix them so they don't happen in the future? [00:32] John on my wiki i only one of them. [00:33] lajjr: are you afraid that you might be biting off a bit more than you can chew? You are taking on a lot of tasks in LP [00:33] well not difficulties to say but a clash of style maybe way to deal with issues.. [00:34] one task I just looked at was Apport, in which your last comment was in June, and you set it in progress. I worked on the KDE front end for apport, how has working on apport gone for you? [00:34] no I will have some of my people take some once I help them get a better hang of things.. [00:34] I like it Pitti is great. [00:35] I had a death in my family it kill a lot of time I am still getting some problems from a person problem from that. [00:36] nixternal: From what I've seen, he seems to handle it very well. Which surprised me - I couldn't handle what's on his plate [00:37] I am ready to vote [00:37] everyone other RMB person ready? [00:37] i'm ready [00:37] ready [00:37] * kirkland has to run, but I wanna give jbernard_ my +1 and two thumbs up; my testimonial is in his wiki page [00:37] [VOTE] lajjr for membership - even though I don't control the meeting [00:37] MTecknology, Only the meeting chair can do that [00:37] I am going to give a +1 because the work you have done has been solid..great testimonials...though I would say be careful biting off more than you can chew, and having all of that on your wiki and LP page look like you are trying to add fluff to make it look better...be careful [00:37] [VOTE] lajjr for membership [00:37] Please vote on: lajjr for membership. [00:37] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [00:37] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [00:38] +1 [00:38] +1 received from nixternal. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [00:38] +1 [00:38] +1 received from Technoviking. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [00:38] now you figure out how to work the thing [00:38] -1 [00:38] -1 received from boredandblogging. 2 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [00:38] cody-somerville??? [00:39] +0 [00:39] Abstention received from cody-somerville. 2 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1 [00:39] [vote] end [00:39] kirkland: said +1 [00:39] Technoviking, Either there isn't a meeting in progress, or there is already an active vote. [00:40] OK, so we have 2 for, 1 against, and 1 obstaining...that means there was no quorum unfortunately, which also means you didn't make it this time around...however I encourage you to come back, probably our next meeting with a little bit more refined wiki page to help us out a bit [00:40] did his count? [00:40] MTecknology: he is not a RMB board member [00:40] no, only RMB members...Dustin is a solar loving maniac :P [00:40] ok thanks.. [00:41] #endvote [00:41] boredandblogging: Any chance you could explain why you don't approve? [00:41] Technoviking: ^^ [00:41] #endvote [00:41] #endvote [00:41] there is a lot of stuff on the wiki page, but none of it in depth [00:41] think spread too thin [00:42] [ENDVOTE} [00:42] [ENDVOTE] [00:42] [ENDVOTE] [00:42] Final result is 2 for, 1 against. 1 abstained. Total: 1 [00:42] ok..end vote. [00:42] it is one of those [00:42] there we go [00:42] I'm sorry folks, but I need to go. [00:42] AliTabuger7_: you are up...gotta do this quick, as Technoviking has a mad wife waiting for him :) [00:43] argh [00:43] Hi, I'm Evan Boldt. I've been the main developer for SpreadUbuntu project for about a year now, and it has almost earned the official spreadubuntu.com domain name. The site is currently viewable on my host (http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/). [00:43] I have personally spread ubuntu at my university by putting up posters, and when appropriate, helping them install it on their computer. I have personally installed ubuntu on at least 8 of other's computers (I wasn't really keeping track until recently). [00:43] While I plan to continue my dedication to SpreadUbuntu, I also hope to help develop some of the applications that make Ubuntu great. I've been teaching myself by writting unique scripts in Python. I'm also taking classes in C++, since I am a computer science major. [00:43] Ubuntu membership, to me, is an honorary thing: a way to be recognized for hard, loyal work. [00:43] I work most closely with Ruben Romero. Unfortunatly he couldn't make it to the meeting, but he did leave a testimonial. [00:43] AliTabuglast one [00:43] I'll be quick to respond to your questions. [00:45] AliTabuger7_: are you just waiting on canonical for the domain? [00:45] AliTabuger7_: we know you rock out the Spread Ubuntu..and for that there is entire group of people who are grateful, now with that said, here we go :) Any plans on coming out of the marketing arena? [00:45] yes [00:45] yes [00:45] damn, you are in my LoCo dude...have we met yet? [00:45] I started and run Ubuntu Chicago :) [00:45] pleia2 is stepping in for me, I'm telling the meeting is ending, but not really [00:46] I'm not in a loco, i don't think. I am in the chicago area, so I probably did join that group. [00:46] #endmeeting [00:46] Meeting finished at 18:46. [00:46] AliTabuger7_: where at are you? [00:46] We are only waiting on canonical. They have yet to give us any feedback on whether they will give it to us or not. [00:46] I do hope to become a developer eventually, and I am actively working on improving my skills [00:46] The end is still continuing:) sorry about that [00:46] Waiting for what? [00:46] DeKalb. I go to NIU. [00:47] AliTabuger7_: rock on, I just east of St. charles...I ride my bike out by you :) [00:47] Waiting for Canonical to direct the SpreadUbuntu.com domain. [00:47] * nixternal almost finished his Masters at NIU [00:47] I'm also contemplating starting back up the NIU LUG. I'm not sure about that yet though. It doesn't seem productive enough for me. [00:48] AliTabuger7_: if we (Ubuntu Chicago) get the Ubuntu Global Jam rocking in the city, you down on coming out? join us in #ubuntu-chicago - we can continue it there later :) [00:48] I'd definitely want to go. [00:49] groovy [00:49] I'd also like to point out that there is a lot of hidden complexity behind SpreadUbuntu that I'm responsible for. You don't often see a site that is that good at multilingual interfaces & content for that reason. [00:50] +1 from me, amazing project work, like most locos we use SpreadUbuntu for Ubuntu Pennsylvania - many thanks! :) [00:51] +1 [00:51] SpreadUbuntu is extremely popular in France (more so than the america's combined). It really does have a global impact. [00:51] Thanks! [00:51] +1 - ya dude, keep spread ubuntu rocking...and now that I know you are local, we gotta get everyone together dude, have you present it to Ubuntu Chicago, and maybe even the Chicago LUG, as this type of project can also help non-Ubuntu open source projects which totally rocks! [00:52] * nixternal remembers when he worked on the original spread ubuntu in like 2005....jeesh what a headache that was [00:52] Yah. I actually talked with a GNOME guy who was looking at adopting our framework. He has yet to make his final decision. [00:53] cody-somerville: wanna vote? [00:53] I won't hold talking to a GNOME guy against ya :p [00:53] +1 :) [00:53] * nixternal notes that cody-somerville needs to take a break from some code [00:54] It was the guy that runs Phoronix. And we use GNOME, so of course you wouldn't. [00:54] AliTabuger7_: CONGRATS AND WELCOME! [00:54] When is the next Americas Board meeting? [00:54] fccf: we are going to talk about that after this meeting...I would like to do it very soon so we can clear our list [00:54] fccf: two weeks from tonight, same time [00:54] oh, there you go [00:54] hopefully :) [00:54] I didn't even know that one :) [00:54] I apologize for not making the meeting sooner :( [00:54] pleia2: TY [00:55] we'll update the wiki with the date soon [00:55] Great! So, i'm a little confused as to what I have to do now... [00:55] tenach, i was wondering where you disappeared to [00:55] I'm in the middle of moving and lost track of time. [00:55] tenach, they didnt get through the entire list of member applications so there will be another meeting in two weeks [00:56] AliTabuger7_: I just did it, I added you to the "Ubuntu Members" launchpad team [00:56] within the next few days you should have a new email address @ubuntu.com [00:56] AliTabuger7_: join #ubuntu-chicago so we and others can chat in a bit [00:57] meeting over [00:57] right, so we need to wrap up the meeting [00:58] nixternal, no more for today? [00:58] we'll schedule another one soon [01:00] DKcross: not today unfortunately...today we were hopign to get all of the August people done, but we had members who had to leave or face certain death [01:00] hahahaha [01:01] in 2 weeks...we will have another meeting... jbernard_ will be first and you will follow [01:01] ok:) [01:01] question about quorum ... LP shows 9 active members... how can 4 be a quorum? [01:01] aight see you guys in about two weeks [01:02] err, actually nhasian will follow jbernard_ and then you DKcross and then fccf...make sure you guys are ready, so we can bombard you fast and heavy [01:03] nixternal: bring it on ... see ya in 2 weeks [01:03] oooh, I like a challenge :) [01:03] nixternal, this is the 2nd time i got bumped. so third time is the charm :) [01:03] nhasian: did you readd your app to the wiki? cuz it says Sep. 5th [01:04] nixternal, yeah originally i added it several months ago. i just readded it recently [01:05] ahhh, OK, we will have to make sure we fit you in then :p [01:08] ok friends, the i will wait the new date for the meet [01:17] AliTabuger7_: Is your B-day 8/21/89 ... I am exactly 10 years your senior [01:18] nice [01:18] Cool to know === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === vorian is now known as obama === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === Ng_ is now known as Ng === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn === imlad|away is now known as imlad === kenvandif is now known as kenvandine === fader|away is now known as fader_ === zul_ is now known as zul [15:00] dholbach, nxvl hello [15:00] hiya [15:00] do we have porthose here too? [15:00] charlie is not here yet [15:01] we might consider to wait for him a bit... === asac__ is now known as asac [15:07] hey porthose [15:07] :) [15:07] we were waiting for you to start : [15:07] :) [15:07] hey huates [15:07] nxvl: around too ? [15:07] sorry I'm late [15:08] hi guys [15:08] hey dholbach [15:08] porthose: not a problem.. [15:08] seems like nxvl is idleing :) [15:14] porthose, huats: let's just get going - nxvl can catch up when he arrives [15:14] can you maybe sum up what the current state of MOTU Mentoring is? [15:15] sure [15:15] nxvl: may I ? [15:15] sorry porthose: may I start ? [15:15] huats, please do [15:16] ok [15:16] so the mentoring has received quite a lot of demands in the last few months [15:16] (I would say of mentor requet) [15:16] request [15:17] and it has started to be quite complicated to be able to match all the demands with a corresponding mentor [15:17] do you have any numbers? like how many current mentors, how many mentees, how many people on the waiting list? [15:17] dholbach I can out that during the meeting [15:17] no worries - I just wanted to get a feeling for what's happening [15:17] I can find out during the meeting (is the corect phrase to read) [15:18] :) [15:18] the thing is that since it was more complicated to match a mentor/mentee [15:18] it started to become more time consuming [15:19] and we have started to be a little overwhelmed I think [15:19] due also to our various other involvments [15:19] * porthose agrees [15:19] (I am trying to be as neutral and fair as I can) [15:19] sure [15:20] I have tried to fill the gap for some time [15:20] porthose did it also after me [15:20] nxvl has been a little less involved for some time [15:20] I guess we're always going to need more mentors, we're always going to have more people looking for a mentor, etc. [15:20] (it is just the result of a discussion we had together) [15:20] what do you think is the best help we give new folks who need help? [15:21] I do think thet we might first start to reorganize ourself [15:21] currently when we receive a request there is nothing done... [15:21] right [15:22] I do think that putting that on a real queue might help us [15:22] I am saying that here for the first time (without ever mentionning that to porthose or nxvl) [15:22] we should consider to add that waiting list in bzr (like we do so far) [15:23] so you think there's nothing really wrong right now, it's just the reception that needs to change organisation? [15:23] currently the only trackig of the waiting list is the "starred" email in my gmail account on the label "mentoring-reception" [15:23] and maybe a call for more mentors and some fresh blood in the reception? [15:23] it is not enought [15:23] I have done regular calls for mentors [15:23] without any luck (or very few) [15:24] it might be great to ask new motus to be involved in that (throught the MC) [15:24] mentors are always needed, but yes some additional help with receiption would be nice [15:24] I wonder if we could identify what help new folks need and if we maybe can find a way to help them more easily? [15:24] actually I am a bit uneased with the addition of new blood to the reception [15:24] I have to say [15:24] I mean [15:25] we are lacking some organisation so far [15:25] and I fear that if we add new people it might be worst... [15:25] I do think that new blood might be needed indeed but AFTER a reorganisation of our team work [15:26] I know nxvl is planning to help out more right now, and we'll decide of his involvment in the next few months after giving a look at his capability t be involved more [15:26] right now I'm thinking: maybe we can categorise ways in which new folks need help and try to solve those problems differently to get the workload down for current mentors [15:27] like for example reenergise the motu-mentors list [15:27] or boosting the on-call review idea somewhat (ubuntu-devel@ discussion right now) [15:27] so people can always ask their questions [15:27] and always get their stuff reviewed [15:28] there's surely going to be some remaining open questions or requests for help, but it might be less than it is right now [15:28] nxvl, porthose, huats: do you think that makes sense? [15:28] it is true that we might consider that #ubuntu-motu is sometimes quite similar to questions we should encounter on @ubuntu-mentors [15:29] it would surely help [15:30] actually I have some ideas to improve the mentoring program too... or at least so things / way to do / needs to be done [15:30] maybe for people who now get on the waiting list, we could tell them about the other current initiatives to they don't feel like they are blocked at the moment [15:30] porthose: did you had a lot of answer on your email aboutthe status of mentees ? [15:30] dholbach you are right [15:30] clearly [15:31] I think four mentors responded [15:31] it is really few [15:31] ... [15:31] and one was a request to be removed from the list [15:32] I have similar experiences with questions I asked regularly or mails that are sent regularly [15:32] there must be a better way of finding out what we're after :) [15:32] I do think that currently we (as the reception) have a lack of communication with mentors/mentee [15:32] may be we should define a new way of intreacting [15:33] like : asking regular reports from the mentee (like one every 2 weeks) and only 2reports of the mentors [15:33] something brief [15:33] people don't like writing reports :) [15:33] but it might help to keep a link [15:34] * dholbach nods [15:34] I am saying that in order to try to limit the burnout [15:34] right [15:35] we (receptionninst) also might need to meet up regulary like we did... [15:35] porthose: agree ? [15:35] yes [15:35] * huats is really sorry for his really bad writing today (worst that ever) [15:35] ok [15:36] here are some actions we might have : [15:36] try to find out new wa of interacting [15:36] reorganisation of the reception (queue, meeting) [15:37] announce future mentees to try to find out other actions to do during the process of their application [15:37] Personally I have no idea where mentors are ineracting with their mentees. It doesn't seem to be much on #ubuntu-motu. [15:37] the feeling I get at the moment is that the mentoring doesn't really scale very well - I don't think we ever announced it publicly (like in blogs or something), but as there seems to be demand for help I feel a bit like we should think about how we can provide help more easily [15:38] ScottK usually mentors / mentee are doing a close relationship [15:38] I'd like to suggest they get encouraged to discuss stuff there (that also gets mentees used to interacting with more than their mentors) [15:38] huats: Doesn't mean they can't talk in public. [15:38] I really agree [15:38] When they do so, the people that just watch the channel can learn too [15:39] I could imagine that parts of it is email [15:39] we should emphasize that : the mentors/mentee relationship should be string but not exclusive [15:39] ... [15:39] Also when mentors give bad advice, there are people there to give a quality check. [15:39] So maybe mentors learn too [15:39] true [15:40] dholbach I do think that the various sessions that happened lately should be great for mentees... [15:40] It also helps build a sense of community [15:41] huats: right, that too [15:41] mentees should be more than encourage to attend that [15:42] it would down the load of the mentors [15:42] what do you think about doing a survey with the current mentees and ask them what kind of help they need, what kind of questions they have and what needs to be better? [15:43] dholbachsounds great [15:43] I also think it might be great to write a mentor HowTo... [15:44] to help mentors to deal with the mentoring is a way to lower their load and to share the experience : using of @ubuntu-mentors, using of #ubuntu-motu instead of private chat [15:44] that would give us ideas for what we can improve, so there should be less need for mentors and less work for everybody [15:44] ad things like that [15:44] *nod* [15:44] ok [15:44] the reviews on irc and stuff [15:44] exactly [15:44] reviews are great for mentors [15:45] mentees sorry [15:45] I'm happy to help with that survey [15:45] (well mentors too :)) [15:45] ok [15:45] thanks daniel [15:45] and also with some kind of short description of the initiatives we're offering, the docs we have and stuff [15:45] dholbach: Just to mention it, these are all the same reasons I don't like the idea of a separate channel for reviews. [15:45] I could imagine that'd help a lot [15:45] ACTION : Dholbach to tackle the survey to mentors to know their opinion [15:46] huats: help with it - not do it alone ;-) [15:46] huats: I'll send over an email after the meeting [15:46]