[00:54] <rcscomp> I am going to use the method on pendrivelinux.com to create a persitent xubuntu install on a usb drive
[00:55] <rcscomp> I am wondering if it is possible to get or make an ISO that would have updated packages, so that I could update the USB drive.
[00:55] <xylox> is it possible to make the panel transparent?
[01:43] <anthony> hey
[01:44] <Guest99266> I just installed xubuntu 8.10, and i was wondering how exactly do i get my 2nd monitor to display properly?
[04:39] <Sonja> is this disc free? it seems to cost $3 but also says it's free: http://on-disk.com/product_info.php/products_id/872
[04:41] <xylox> you can download the iso image and burn it to a cd
[04:42] <Sonja> i guess by free they mean $3
[04:42] <Sonja> it's confusing
[04:43] <maduser> just download the iso and burn it and not worry about shipping
[04:43] <maduser> you can get free disks shipped to you but they take over a month
[04:43] <Sonja> a friend of mine was asking
[04:44] <Sonja> maybe i can just burn one for him
[04:44] <Sonja> and ship it
[04:44] <Sonja> maduser do you have the url for that?
[04:44] <maduser> for what?
[04:44] <maduser> I haven't had disks shipped for 3 years now
[04:44] <maduser> it may have changed
[04:45] <Sonja> oh you said there was a service that mails free discs that take a month
[04:45] <xylox> i suppose they're charging for the cd and the mail service, not the content which is free
[04:45] <Sonja> yeah
[04:45] <Sonja> or charging for shipping only
[04:47] <Sonja> my friend is on dialup in some corner of brazil
[04:47] <Sonja> i'll just do it myself and mail him it
[04:47] <Sonja> thanks for your help!
[05:07] <Techie> does anyone know how to get the drivers for a Marvell 8838 chipset wireless card?
[05:21] <LyTeFaST> hey guys, I've been using Xubuntu for a while now, and I've put off asking this question, but it really rubs me the wrong way: is there somewhere to change the preferred application for  "Movie Player"?
[06:06] <mikubuntu> trying to help my friend get the wireless hookd up on new buntu install, having trouble, anybody willing to help me troubleshoot
[06:07] <mikubuntu> followd instructions in documentation but still not gettg it
[06:13] <Techie> heya mikubuntu
[06:13] <Techie> any info about the card or chipset?
[06:13] <mikubuntu> hey techie
[06:14] <mikubuntu> she's just moving the computer over by the router now to hook it up wired so that i can get her into the channel
[06:14] <Techie> cool
[06:15] <mikubuntu> i'm in fla shes in cali, where u?
[06:15] <Techie> im not sure if i will actually be of any help as its not my area of expertise
[06:15] <mikubuntu> :P
[06:15] <Techie> new zealand
[06:15] <mikubuntu> omg, we've split the difference on the globe then
[06:16] <mikubuntu> i don't know why settg the wireless is always such a pain for me, every time i have to get help; by now i should be helpg people ... arrrggghhh
[06:17] <mikubuntu> if you'll be around i'll let you know when i have her online, and if not no prob ... sry i not ready
[06:17] <Techie> lol, your probably one better than me on this... i cant even track down any drivers for my PCI wireless card
[06:18] <mikubuntu> why is evrything a mission, huh
[06:18] <mikubuntu> hahaha
[06:18] <Techie> its not a mission, its a long journey with no scenery
[06:18] <mikubuntu> yep
[06:19] <mikubuntu> what a storm is brewg up outside
[06:19] <Techie> btw i cant even get ndiswrapper to work properly
[06:21] <mikubuntu> btw, i don't even know what ndiswrappr is, tho i have heard of ppl wrestling with it here
[06:21] <Techie> ndiswrapper = utility that allows you to load windows wireless card drivers in linux
[06:21] <Techie> hrmm, lets try something
[06:21] <Techie> !ndiswrapper
[06:21] <Techie> wow
[06:22] <mikubuntu> wow
[06:22] <Techie> somebody spent alot of time making ubottu's entries
[06:22] <mikubuntu> haha .. i thought only ops could do that
[06:22] <Techie> nah, everyone can
[06:22] <Techie> thanks ubottu
[06:22] <Techie> !debian
[06:23] <Techie> mwah ha ha
[06:26] <Techie> hehe, you know somethings not gonna be easy when you perform a single google search and end up with more than 7 new tabs
[06:28] <mikubuntu> uh huh... why do u need that, linux doesn't support your particular card?
[06:28] <Techie> nope
[06:29] <Techie> no drivers for the card as far as i can see
[06:29] <Techie> and no drivers for the chipset either
[06:29] <Techie> and ndiswrapper wont install properly as xubuntu doesnt come with the kernel source so im unable to recompile the kernel with it
[06:30] <Techie> and on top of that, the box the card is in cant access the internet
[06:35] <Techie> brb, gonna delve into #ubuntu
[06:35] <mikubuntu> omg, it all sounds way complicated .. i wish i could help, way over my head, good luck
[07:38] <owen1_> any suggestions for simple GUI backup tool?
[07:54] <mikubuntu> Techie, see u 2mrw maybe, she gave up :(
[07:54] <mikubuntu> hahaha
[09:02] <Techie> man, i love it in this channel
[09:03] <Techie> theres never too many people talking and i can often help people
[09:03] <Techie> and chances are nobody will bother to read that message
[09:04] <Sysi> too messy channel isn't good
[09:05] <Sysi> not too many helpers, people are even rady to hear my english :)
[09:07] <Techie> hehe, i take it english isnt your first language?
[09:07] <Sysi> it isn't
[09:07] <Techie> whats your first?
[09:07] <Sysi> finnish
[09:07] <Techie> aah thats cool
[09:08] <Techie> i myself have never been able to speak another language anywhere near fluently
[09:08] <Techie> well, without the help of googles language tools
[09:08] <_Pete_> I can listen many languages fluently
[09:08] <Techie> oh, hello pete
[09:09] <_Pete_> howdy
[09:09] <Techie> is there anyone else currently at their computers that are lurking in the shadows?
[09:11] <Techie> anyway, lets share a bit about ourselves
[09:11] <Techie> obviously we all use or have knowledge of xubuntu
[09:11] <Techie> but other than that we dont know much about each other
[09:12] <Techie> so yeah, my real name is matt but my mates call me techie =p
[09:13] <Techie> im from new zealand which if you dont know where that is... look south east of australia
[09:13] <_Pete_> all that could be knonw if you just set your ircname correclty :)
[09:13] <Techie> hehe
[09:14] <Sysi> I think i know where zealand is but i'm really surprised if you know where finland is
[09:14] <Techie> i was introduced into linux first by one mate who ran fedora core at the time, and later moved towards ubuntu for its ease of use (my FC mate is now running ubuntu aswell)
[09:15] <Techie> however my linux knowledge was enhanced greately when my pc folded about just under a year ago and i was only able to boot linux for about 2 months
[09:15] <Techie> so yeah, thats a bit about me and who i am
[09:16] <Techie> anyone else care to share anything?
[09:16] <_Pete_> sometimes that happens
[09:16] <_Pete_> petria    5038  0.0  0.4 399392 32888 ?        S<   Sep09   0:45 ktorrent -session 2599a9b0b-92ec-493b-8ae6-36179643ac07_1249057493_659423
[09:18] <Sysi> i think i first read about 'buntu in some magazine
[09:20] <Sysi> then there was lot about it in internet
[09:20] <_Pete_> I somehow found it when 5.04 was new and started using it, before that was using fedora/win combo. but when noticed that it suits perfectly my needs dumped windows alltogether and since have only used buntu
[09:20] <Techie> cool
[09:21] <Techie> hrmm, one thing im curios about is... what is it like to life in finland? are the people friendly is the weather nice
[09:21] <Sysi> same with me, but i started with hardy
[09:21] <Techie> curious*
[09:22] <ursus> Hello! I have charset problems on Xubuntu 9.04. I save my files in utf format, but if I upload them to the internet, it isn't in utf. OR: If I grab my audio cd, and create the mp3 file names in utf, they will have strange characters. How can I fix this problem?
[09:23] <Techie> okay, lets break convo... someone needs help
[09:23] <Sysi> discussion may go on on -offtopic
[09:24] <_Pete_> ursus: what makes you think after upload they are not anymore utf8 ?
[09:24] <_Pete_> .. and are you sure they realy are utf8 saved?
[09:25] <ursus> I heard that there was some charset bug in xubuntu 8.10, and then I changed something (a user guided me), but can't remember what did I change. And I couldn't find with google such a bug.
[09:25] <ursus> They have strange characters, but if I set firefox to read them as utf-8, it doesn't change.
[09:25] <ursus> _Pete_, yes, I am.
[09:25] <_Pete_> ursus: do you use ftp to transfer?
[09:25] <Techie> maybe whatever your viewing the files with doesnt support utf-8?
[09:26] <ursus> But: if I open this files on xp (virtualbox), they shows strange characters as well. But if I save my files there (also in utf-8), there is no problem with them.
[09:27] <ursus> _Pete_, yes, I do
[09:27] <ursus> I thought that it doesn't save really in utf-8, just it calls it utf-8.
[09:27] <ursus> It doesn't matter, what kind of program use I: gedit, mousepad, anything.
[09:27] <_Pete_> ursus: I think ftp does some conversation if transfer is done in ascii mode
[09:27] <_Pete_> so make sure it uses bin mode
[09:28] <_Pete_> better yet use sftp
[09:28] <ursus> _Pete_, I am pretty sure, that it doesn't. Because if I don't upload them, just simply open the local file with windows, it shows the same strange chars, like I see when I upload them.
[09:29] <_Pete_> but they work correctly before transfer?
[09:29] <_Pete_> check that they are identical after upload, if not something wrong in transfer
[09:29] <Techie> _Pete_, in one of the ftpd's i use it actually refers ascii mode to be enabling file mangling
[09:30] <_Pete_> havent used ftp in ages myself
[09:30] <ursus> _Pete_, it works correctly, before transfer, after transfer, always. But only on my computer, on Xubuntu. But no elsewhere.
[09:31] <ursus> If upload them, and then download them, it works fine. But only locally.
[09:31] <Techie> ursus, from what i can think of its most likely your file manager that isnt reading the utf-8 files correctly
[09:31] <_Pete_> ursus: and the tools on other end supports utf8 correctly ?
[09:32] <ursus> Techie, the file manager reads it correctly, because I see them correctly on my computer.
[09:32] <ursus> _Pete_, sorry, I don't understand
[09:34] <Techie> ursus, what pete is trying to say is, does the computer at the other end understand utf-8?
[09:34] <ursus> How do you mean other end?
[09:36] <Techie> ursus, the ftp server
[09:36] <Techie> ursus, or wherever you upload or transfer the files to
[09:36] <ursus> Sorry. It does.
[09:38] <ursus> So: I save my text/html/php files in utf-8. On my computer on Xubuntu it works fine. But on other OS, or on other computer it doesn't.
[09:38] <ursus> If I check the charset, for example on XP, I see that, it is really in utf-8.
[09:38] <Techie> is there any particular reason for using utf-8?
[09:40] <ursus> But the special characters which are used in my country, doesn't appear correctly. But if I fix them with the editor on xp, it is correct.
[09:40] <ursus> But I wouldn't like to use xp for this reason.
[09:41] <ursus> Techie, yes. It works fine everywhere. I guess only my Xubuntu makes something wrong, because on other OS or on other computer it works really fine.
[09:42] <ursus> Is there a system file, where I can check or modify the default charset of my OS?
[09:42] <Techie> ursus, im gonna do some slow research on this, i have a torrent going
[09:43] <_Pete_> ursus: what tool do you use on xubuntu to create utf8 file?
[09:44] <ursus> gedit or mousepad
[09:46] <_Pete_> and are absolutelu sure they save in correct unicode form (there are many) ?
[09:48] <ursus> I click on File -> Save as... I choose there "Currently locale (UTF8)"
[09:49] <ursus> Is there difference between utf8 and utf-8?
[09:51] <_Pete_> no
[09:51] <_Pete_> can you send example of those file?
[09:51] <_Pete_> or if one is online give url
[09:53] <ursus> _Pete_, ok, a moment (If you can wait)
[09:53] <_Pete_> yeah just about to go lunch
[09:54] <_Pete_> ->
[10:07] <ursus> OK, I guess I solved the problem temporally
[10:07] <Techie> ima brb after a restart, then im gonna watch a movie, say my name if you need me
[10:08] <ursus> It seems now (I'm not sure 100%) that a program on XP doesn't recognized utf-8 correctly.
[10:08] <ursus> Thank you for your help!!
[11:13] <miguelonnnn> hi please, 1 question: in networkmanager there are many options for introducing wifi passwds. Two of them are passphrase and bit key. I thought passphrase was the only coded into a hard password, but bit key also gets coded( for example 12345 goes to 333758392) so what's the difference between bit-key and passphrase?
[14:38] <jose__> Has anyone got any idea on how to disable the alt+right click shortcut? I can't seem to find the option anywhere.
[14:39] <TheSheep> jose__: what does it do?
[14:39] <jose__> When a window is active it will change the cursor to a resizer of sorts
[14:39] <TheSheep> ah, it's in window manager tweaks
[14:40] <jose__> so rather than select the edge of the screen to resize you jsut need to hold down alt and right click
[14:40] <TheSheep> "key used to grab an move windows'
[14:40] <TheSheep> you can change it to super
[14:40] <jose__> Where is the option?
[14:40] <TheSheep> third tab of wm tweaks
[14:41] <jose__> omg, I'm a dunce
[14:41] <jose__> I overlooked that about 5 times
[14:41] <TheSheep> that's normal
[14:41] <jose__> I bet your fleece is made of gold.
[14:42] <TheSheep> no, it's much warmer
[14:42] <TheSheep> plutonium ;)
[14:42] <jose__> Anyway thankyou for your help.
[14:42] <jose__> May your days be both profitable and erotic.
[14:43] <TheSheep> but not at the same time
[14:43] <jose__> and may a thousand virgins throw themselves upon you.
[14:43] <TheSheep> cheers
[14:45] <bman> Anyone know where the browser.xul is located for firefox?
[14:49] <TheSheep> bman: try 'locate browser.xul' in terminal
[14:50] <bman> Thanks, I was trying 'find' which wasnt working for me
[14:52] <frenzy42> I'm having serious wireless problems on a msi wind running the latested xubuntu
[15:20] <mattfletcher> hello, my friend is running ubuntu and finding it a bit slow. i've suggested he try xubuntu-desktop, but not sure how much disk space it will take. he only has about 700 megs free
[15:23] <cody-somerville> yea
[15:23] <cody-somerville> thats not really enough
[15:23] <cody-somerville> you'd be cutting it awfully close
[15:28] <mattfletcher> just run the disk analyser and it seems to be old kernels that are using a lot of space. what's the best way to remove those?
[15:36] <_Pete_> mattfletcher: apt-get
[15:37] <mattfletcher> thanks pete, found a list of old ones on "tombuntu" via google
[15:58] <vraa> just FYI - that IRCResourcePage doesn't really work
[19:19] <hermitcrabred> Hello
[19:29] <hermitcrabred> Hello
[19:29] <Sysi> hey
[19:29] <hermitcrabred> ...how is everything?
[19:30] <hermitcrabred> ...by the way, is broadband fast at all?
[19:31] <Sysi> depends
[19:31] <Sysi> it wasn't at school when packet loss on ping was over 50%
[19:32] <hermitcrabred> ...I guess is about how the signal is...?
[19:32] <Sysi> operator had some problems, packets went long way
[19:33] <hermitcrabred> wow
[19:51] <hermitcrabred> ..Sysi
[19:52] <Sysi> ?
[19:52] <hermitcrabred> ...Sorry...My conection is so slow...
[19:52] <hermitcrabred> expensive and slow
[19:53] <Sysi> mobile?
[19:54] <hermitcrabred> yes!
[19:54] <Sysi> copper wire <3
[19:55] <hermitcrabred> u got me there...let me go check
[19:56] <hermitcrabred> ...be back...
[19:58] <Mhoram> Hi all, using Xubuntu for a few weeks now and like it lots....
[20:00] <Mhoram> one problem though: whenever my DVD burner hits an error, reading or writing, the OS seems to lose track of it, and I can't eject or get it to read anything else without rebooting.  It's IDE.  Any suggestion how to get the system to re-recognize the drive without a reboot?
[21:00] <hermitcrabred> Hi everyone!
[21:02] <hermitcrabred> ...I keep a very quick message about flash player...but I already installed the latest version, the videos do not play well, quirky...any tips? Please
[21:02] <Sysi> how powerful machine?
[21:07] <hermitcrabred> Hey 2.0, pentium 4, 1 GB RAM
[21:07] <hermitcrabred> Videos don`t play too well for some reason
[21:08] <Sysi> flash is quite heavy for my 2.4ghz celeron
[21:09] <Sysi> problems with graphics card may also cause that
[21:09] <hermitcrabred> I see...
[21:09] <hermitcrabred> That makes sense
[21:09] <hermitcrabred> ...by the way it is runnig faster with what u showed me...Thanks
[21:11] <hermitcrabred> I also not able to control sound volume, no an idea of why???
[21:12] <Sysi> wrong controller on xfce4-mixer maybe?
[21:13] <hermitcrabred> ...That could be....is funny I`m seeing YouTube and the videos play good, too good, too fast, slow then fast...lol
[21:15] <hermitcrabred> ....Hi bigzed !
[21:50] <hermitcrabred> ...Does anyone knows the command for checking MD5???
[21:52] <Mhoram> hermitcrabred: md5sum
[21:52] <hermitcrabred> Yes...
[21:52] <hermitcrabred> I am not good on that