[02:01]  * spstarr is sadly addicted to Second Life ;(
[02:01] <spstarr> if I could make real $ out of it that would be nice :-)
[02:01] <spstarr> maybe start a Kubuntu World
[02:54] <shtylman__> Riddell: waiting for nixternal for feedback on the slide content
[02:54] <shtylman__> Riddell: otherwise ready to merge
[04:21] <ScottK> rgreening: If I need to sponsor arora, I can, but since it'll probably be Riddell approving the FFe, he can probably just upload it.
[04:21] <rgreening> ah, true 'nuff
[04:21] <rgreening> :)
[04:22] <rgreening> I'll finish the FFe bug tomorrow.. and poke Riddell about it
[05:07] <nixternal> anyone have a PolicyKit Qt/KDE Python example anywhere?
[05:09] <ScottK> userconfig doesn't use it, does it?
[05:09] <nixternal> hrmm, let me check
[05:10] <JontheEchidna> nope, it launches in a kcmshell through kdesudo
[05:10] <ScottK> Any others?
[05:11] <JontheEchidna> oh! jockey has it
[05:11] <ScottK> Not the KDE bits I don't think, but at least it's Python.
[05:13] <JontheEchidna> hmm, yeah...
[05:15] <JontheEchidna> I think until kauth gets official bindings one must implement it in pure policykit, which will then call the kde or gnome frontend where appropriate
[05:19] <nixternal> just looked through jockey, no polkit kde stuff...let me look a little deeper into it
[05:20] <nixternal> jockey uses kdesu :/
[05:20] <JontheEchidna> jockey-backend uses polkit
[05:21] <JontheEchidna> which makes one wonder why it is still launched with kdesudo
[05:22] <nixternal> there is a comment in jockey-kde explaining why...and the reason...are you ready?
[05:22] <nixternal> WE HAVEN'T UPDATED JOCKEY IN A WHILE :D
[05:22] <JontheEchidna> lol
[05:22] <nixternal> ya, the comment says "Because KDE doesn't have PolicyKit yet"
[05:22] <JontheEchidna> I sorta ran out of proprietary hardware that worked with this computer...
[05:22] <nixternal> or something to that effect
[05:23] <JontheEchidna> hum, then I guess the policykit-gnome | policykit-kde dependency is just there so we don't have to drag in policykit-gnome in kubuntuland
[05:26] <JontheEchidna> looks like kde 4.3 pykde does have polkitqt bindings
[05:26] <JontheEchidna> !!!
[05:26] <JontheEchidna> with an example
[05:28] <JontheEchidna> bedtime tho...
[05:29] <nixternal> derr, I should have remembered that...I was looking at it the other day :/
[07:00]  * Sime_ doesn't quite understand the difference between polkitqt and KAuth. Is KAuth KDEified polkitqt stuff?
[09:30] <freinhard> hi!
[09:31] <freinhard> can't use knetworkmanager (0.1~svn1017841-0ubuntu2~jaunty4) to connect to encrypted wireless networks. works for wired networks and unencrypted networks.
[09:34] <ghostcube> morning
[10:22] <apachelogger> ewww kamoso copies kipi plugins to own source
[10:22] <apachelogger> not that copy + plugin combo
[10:22] <apachelogger> *note even
[10:23] <Riddell> what's kamoso?
[10:28] <Nightrose> new webcam app
[10:29] <Nightrose> quote from the website: "A webcam application to attract sweet girls to kde :)"
[10:29]  * Nightrose shakes head
[10:29] <Nightrose> (yes I already emailes Aleix about it)
[10:29] <Nightrose> *emailed
[11:20] <apachelogger> Nightrose: lol, nothing for me then, there is no one sweeter than you :*
[11:20] <Nightrose> apachelogger: :*
[11:21] <apachelogger> Nightrose: wanna write another mail?
[11:21] <Nightrose> apachelogger: I'd rather not as I need to hurry - gotta go to university and get some code written
[11:23]  * apachelogger should be coding too :{
[11:23] <apachelogger> :P
[11:23] <apachelogger> I have no idea why I never hit the P with qwerty
[12:09] <Riddell> neversfelde: new KOffice beta out, are you able to do the packaging again?
[12:09] <neversfelde> Riddell: yes
[12:09] <Riddell> neversfelde: in unstable/koffice-2.0.82 on ktown
[12:10]  * apachelogger tries kamoso
[12:11] <apachelogger> btw, did I mention that some LP pages ... especially the new ones ... dont fit on a netbook screen?
[12:13] <Riddell> I don't believe you did
[12:14] <apachelogger> must be $fixed, though I am not sure if it is misrendering in konqueror, or bad layouting in launchpad, or both
[12:15] <apachelogger> hm, it appears gdebi does not update the cache before installing :S
[12:16] <Riddell> apt programmes generally don't
[12:17] <apachelogger> is there a special logical behind that?
[12:21] <apachelogger> if kamoso was not using vlc and would fit on a netbook screen shipping it would be a good idea
[12:21] <apachelogger> oh and if it was not code-copying kipi plugins
[12:30] <apachelogger> any motu around?
[12:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's needed?
[12:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kamoso
[12:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: what is vlc needed for?
[12:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: webcam access
[12:45] <apachelogger> the app actually does all the interaction via vlc
[12:45] <apachelogger> blog post from planet kde claims it is easier to use than what kopete uses
[12:45] <Riddell> I've never got kopete to work
[12:45] <Riddell> for webcam
[12:46] <apachelogger> depends a lot on the webcam driver I suppose, only the webcam in my dell mini works out of the box, both in kopete and kamoso
[12:47] <apachelogger> though I must admit via vlc it seems to work a lot better
[12:48] <Riddell> means it can't go into main alas
[12:49] <apachelogger> I know :S
[12:49] <apachelogger> maybe we should poke upstream a bit ;)
[12:50] <Nightrose> webcam works like a charm here on eeepc
[12:50] <apachelogger> otherwise we would have a very nice cheese replacement
[12:50] <Nightrose> now if only kopete could actually use it in a protocol...
[12:50] <shtylman> apachelogger: I made the package...waiting for merge into trunk
[12:50] <Riddell> ooh shtylman
[12:50] <shtylman> howdy :)
[12:51] <apachelogger> shtylman++
[12:51] <apachelogger> Nightrose: shouldnt it work like in yahoo and wlm?
[12:51] <apachelogger> bzr needs kde integration
[12:51] <Nightrose> apachelogger: last i tried none of them supported it
[12:52]  * shtylman runs off to work .. leave messages will respond :)
[12:52] <apachelogger> Nightrose: cant tell, I am only using jabber and due to lack of jingle support that doesnt work for sure :D
[12:54]  * apachelogger notes that kde playground could use a cleanup
[12:54] <apachelogger> way too many apps that have not been touched for years
[12:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: thx for the revu :)
[13:06] <Riddell> hmm, someone sent me an e-mail about playground recently
[13:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/269118/ what do you think about this structure for kds?
[13:14] <apachelogger> the thing with nepomuk is that we still do not have a meaningful backend, especially none that works reliably well and doesn't eat all mem in combo with amarok and akonadi
[13:15] <apachelogger> so i for one would remove the search bar from dolphin and turn off nepomuk once more
[13:17] <Riddell> it's turned off by default anyway is it no?
[13:17] <apachelogger> dunno
[13:17] <apachelogger> we need to remove the search bar though
[13:17] <Riddell> yes dolphin search bar is something we should look at, I don't know if there's a config option to get rid of it
[13:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: that structure makes sense
[13:18] <apachelogger> ok, implementing that and then taking a look at dolphin
[13:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, I am going to revise the version scheme... from 9.10.18 to 9.10.18ubuntu19, starting with 10.04 we should be using 10.04ubuntuN then
[13:22] <apachelogger> makes lintian shut up about NMU stuff and makes dch -i work properly
[13:33] <apachelogger> nhandler, obama: bug 427841
[13:34] <Quintasan> hiho
[13:36] <ScottK> apachelogger: Just override the lintian warning.  The ubuntuX revisions on Ubuntu only native packages are ugly.  It's also, IIRC, against policy.
[13:37] <apachelogger> ScottK: dch -i still fails to increment though
[13:37] <Riddell> I don't think there's any policy against it
[13:42] <ScottK> Looks like you're right
[13:42]  * ScottK recalls it being discussed.
[13:44] <ScottK> Riddell: How do you feel about updating the qt4-x11 backport in Hardy with the latest from Intrepid to catch the security fix that just went out?
[13:45] <Riddell> ScottK: that would make sense
[13:46] <ScottK> Anyone care to upload that to a PPA so people can test it?
[13:46] <ScottK> Staging, I would guess?
[13:56] <apachelogger> Setting up kubuntu-default-settings (1:9.10.18ubuntu19) ...
[13:57] <ScottK> I'd rather we fix debchange than start doing revisions like that.
[13:58] <apachelogger> ScottK: if you fix it :P
[13:59] <ScottK> apachelogger: Unfortunately it's implemented in Perl.
[13:59] <apachelogger> ruby > perl
[13:59] <apachelogger> ScottK: should poke nhandler I suppose
[13:59] <ScottK> Good idea.
[13:59]  * ScottK looks for nhandler....
[13:59] <nhandler> Need something?
[13:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you happen to know why the linking for hidden-media and hal stuff is done in postinst manually?
[14:00] <apachelogger> nhandler: FFe most importantly :P
[14:00] <nhandler> Do you have a bug number apachelogger ?
[14:00] <apachelogger> nhandler: bug 427841
[14:00] <ScottK> nhandler: Yeah.  We'd like to add an option to dch to not use ubuntuX revisions on Ubuntu only native packages (manybe -un)
[14:00] <apachelogger> you really should read backlog a bit :P
[14:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: packages shouldn't install to /media or /home directly, they may not exist or may be something weird
[14:02] <apachelogger> they will if the package installs it :P
[14:02] <apachelogger> but the hidden stuff makes sense since it does ! -e
[14:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: does the hidden stuff still get used?
[14:02] <apachelogger> don't get the hal stuff though
[14:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: nope
[14:02] <apachelogger> but it also installs .directory with icons for media and home
[14:02] <apachelogger> which is nice IMHO
[14:03] <apachelogger> hidden requires a patch, which of course was not pushed/accepted upstream in KDE 3 times
[14:03] <Riddell> it does still get used
[14:03] <ScottK> Installing into /home doesn't work so well for the multi-user case either.
[14:04] <Riddell> oh not the hidden, that can go
[14:04] <apachelogger> right :)
[14:04] <apachelogger> ScottK: it is /home not /home/*
[14:04] <ScottK> Ah
[14:04] <apachelogger> it really just happens to have /home have an icon when viewing /
[14:05] <apachelogger> s/have/make I suppose
[14:05] <Riddell> not sure about the hal stuff, maybe we didn't want to depend on hal for some reason.  at this stage in the cycle I wouldn't want it changed though
[14:06] <ScottK> Given the wild boot stuff Keybuk is still doing, I think we can get away with blaming any problems on him.
[14:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, it is nothing but a policy file for hal, so that would not introduce a dep
[14:07] <apachelogger> not going to change it anyway
[14:07] <apachelogger> ScottK: lol
[14:09] <apachelogger> nhandler: thanks for the ack, so now we need a fixed dch :)
[14:10] <ScottK> Devscripts needs a merge anyway since Debian just announced a uscan vulnerability.
[14:10] <Quintasan> hmm, what should I put in license when I have files with: GPL, GPL-2+, LGPL-2+?
[14:11] <Riddell> "GPL" is meaningless it needs a version
[14:11] <ScottK> Quintasan: Does the GPL reference refer to GPL with no version or perhaps to GPL 1?
[14:11]  * apachelogger notes that mvo used GPL in all of his software apachelogger came across recently :P
[14:11] <Quintasan> Riddell: nepomuk-kde contains some files which list "GPL"
[14:11] <Quintasan> ./nepomukutils/kcompletionitem.h: GPL
[14:11]  * ScottK notes we have packages in the archive still licensed under GPL 1.
[14:11] <ScottK> Most notably Perl.
[14:12] <apachelogger> good ol perl
[14:12] <apachelogger> ruby is still superior :P
[14:12] <apachelogger> much more worth as well
[14:12] <Quintasan> I wonder if I should make a pin for apachelogger
[14:13] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK: so what version should I be uploading with?
[14:13] <Riddell> Quintasan: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/nepomuk-kde/nepomukutils/kcompletionitem.h?revision=1012377&view=markup  that's GPL2 or later
[14:13] <apachelogger> hm
[14:13] <apachelogger> Quintasan: a pin?
[14:13] <ScottK> Ruby lacks many of Perls write only features, however.
[14:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'd go with adding ubuntuX
[14:13] <apachelogger> ok
[14:14] <ScottK> Grumble.
[14:14] <Quintasan> apachelogger: s/pin/badge
[14:14] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://www.digibarn.com/collections/badges-pins/stan-veit/ibm-pc-badge.jpg something like this :P
[14:14] <Riddell> Quintasan: so it's GPL-2+, put that in the copyright file and also list that some files are LGPL-2+ below it
[14:14] <Riddell> Quintasan: but have you spoked to the guy I CCed to kubuntu-devel?
[14:15] <Quintasan> Riddell: nope, I'll talk with him ASAP
[14:15] <apachelogger> Quintasan: saying "ruby is superior to good ol perl and much more worth"?
[14:16] <Riddell> Quintasan: by the way Dooble needs packaging if you're in a mood for it :)
[14:18] <apachelogger> meh
[14:18] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I don't think it would be safe to walk around with this badge, some perl lovers might be too fanatic :P
[14:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: the seach toolbar stuff is also stored in the qbytearray thing
[14:18] <apachelogger> ugly I must say
[14:18] <Quintasan> Dooble? Hurr, I'll look into it
[14:18] <Riddell> qbytearray thing?
[14:19] <apachelogger> Quintasan: well, since they must have been superio hackers back in the days of 1989 they are wau too old to do anything to me :P
[14:20] <apachelogger> Riddell:
[14:20] <apachelogger>  State=AAAA/wAAAAD9AAAAAwAAAAAAAABbAAABvvwCAAAAAvsAAAAWAGYAbwBsAGQAZQByAHMARABvAGMAawAAAAAA/////wAAABkBAAAC+wAAABQAcABsAGEAYwBlAHMARABvAGMAawEAAAA2AAABvgAAAFUBAAACAAAAAQAAAK4AAAG+/AIAAAAB+wAAABAAaQBuAGYAbwBEAG8AYwBrAQAAADYAAAG+AAABAAEAAAIAAAAD///////////8AQAAAAH7AAAAGAB0AGUAcgBtAGkAbgBhAGwARABvAGMAawAAAAAA/////wAAAE0BAAAFAAAB3wAAAb4AAAAEAAAABAAAAAgAAAAI/AAAAAEAAAACAAAAAgAAABYAbQBhAGkAbgBUAG8AbwBsAEIAYQByAQAAAAD/////AAAAAAAAAAAA
[14:20] <apachelogger> AAAaAHMAZQBhAHIAYwBoAFQAbwBvAGwAQgBhAHIAAAACGv////8AAAAAAAAAAA==
[14:20] <Riddell> ug
[14:20] <apachelogger> exactly :D
[14:22] <nhandler> apachelogger: If you want, file a bug and assign me to it, and I can fix up dch later today
[14:23] <JontheEchidna> oh, I remember some business for the meeting, heh
[14:23] <JontheEchidna> bug 423877
[14:23] <JontheEchidna> ^upstream request
[14:23] <apachelogger> ScottK: please file bug report for nhandler
[14:25] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: that can probably go although I'd like to compare what kwin does and what the compiz script does and check what the differences are
[14:25] <Quintasan> Riddell: I can't find a stable tarball, should I package SVN?
[14:26]  * apachelogger trusts marting without thinking
[14:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: should I turn composite on in kds?
[14:26] <apachelogger> while I am on it
[14:26] <Tonio_> hi there
[14:26] <Quintasan> Tonio_: \o
[14:26] <Tonio_> anyone working on arora 0.9 ?
[14:26] <Riddell> apachelogger: it should be the defalt, which is let kwin work out if it can go on
[14:26] <ScottK> Tonio_: rgreening was
[14:27] <Tonio_> ScottK: kk, I'll ping in case he needs help...
[14:27] <ScottK> Tonio_: I think it's in his PPA already
[14:27] <Tonio_> ScottK: we'll have to drop the adblock support for now as porting the patch won't be easy
[14:27] <Tonio_> ScottK: hum, oki I'll have a look
[14:27] <apachelogger> seems so
[14:27] <apachelogger> whatever happened to the cubecap though?
[14:27] <rgreening> yep
[14:27] <rgreening> got it built and updated locally and in my PPA.
[14:27] <rgreening> Just need to update the FFe bug today.
[14:27] <Tonio_> ScottK: good point is that the adblock proposal as been accepted :)
[14:27] <JontheEchidna> whoa, lightspeed typing from rgreening
[14:28] <rgreening> hahah
[14:28] <rgreening> "juiced lightening"
[14:28] <rgreening> had my caffiene early
[14:28] <Quintasan> :D
[14:28] <Tonio_> also, I read that last knetworkmanager drop support for hidden networks, maybe we should reupload a snapshot...
[14:28] <apachelogger> oh, that was a wrong setting
[14:28] <apachelogger> meh
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: yeah, there's a crash-on-resume fix we want also
[14:28] <ScottK> apachelogger and nhandler: Already a bug existing.
[14:29] <ScottK> Bug #313508
[14:29] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: oki I'm building the package then
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: ok, so wanna drop the blacklist patch in bzr, then throw up to kubuntu-ppa/experimental for testing?
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> I'll be able to do that
[14:30] <apachelogger> do a code review
[14:30] <Tonio_> rgreening: have you been able to keep the adblock patch for arora ?
[14:30] <apachelogger> more time efficient and both implementations shouldnt be too complex
[14:30] <apachelogger> the compiz one isnt for sure, looked at it the other day
[14:31] <rgreening> Tonio_: adblock is to be dropped from arora as per icefox (arora dev). It is unstable, crashy and causes memory leak. They do not wish us to ship arora with this patch, as it will reflect badly on them.
[14:31]  * JontheEchidna has a patch he wants in -workspace anyways
[14:32] <rgreening> according to icefox, adblock should be usable for 1.0
[14:32] <Tonio_> rgreening: yup, that's what I read too
[14:32] <Tonio_> rgreening: well the code needs improvements, but is pretty much working right now
[14:33] <Tonio_> rgreening: once this is in, all we'll need for the basics is the kwallet support I guess
[14:33] <rgreening> yeah
[14:33] <rgreening> so, I have to put in the FFe and upload...
[14:34] <Tonio_> rgreening: is that being written right now ?
[14:34] <rgreening> Riddell: for arora FFe, I have the code in my PPA. Is that ok, or do you need stuff uploaded somewhere else?
[14:34] <Tonio_> the kwallet stuff ?
[14:34] <rgreening> Tonio_: ? dunno.
[14:34] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: will knetworkmanager require a FFe ? I don't think so but I'd like to be sure :)
[14:35] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[14:35] <JontheEchidna> I think as long as releases are bugfix-only you just have to file a bug documenting that you're uploading it
[14:35] <rgreening> its a new version, so prob...
[14:35] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: hard to do since there is no official changelog, no official stable release
[14:35] <JontheEchidna> yeah, tricky stuff...
[14:35] <rgreening> best ask Riddell then
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> we might want to get a standing exception if we plan to update this throughout betas, etc
[14:36] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: do you have bug numbers that current svn should fix ? that'd help :)
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: any of them I know about should be marked fix committed in LP
[14:37] <Tonio_> and would you have the list somewhere ? just to avoid forgetting one of them :)
[14:37] <JontheEchidna> having a maintained bugtracker is so nice ^_^
[14:37] <JontheEchidna> Out of the bugs we're tracking, it looks like only bug 424606 has been fixed in svn
[14:38] <JontheEchidna> maybe 422174, though that one hasn't been upstreamed
[14:38] <Riddell> rgreening: that's fine but is there a bug with the changelog and rationale?
[14:38] <ScottK> agateau and Riddell: agateau's stuff is now in a branch of the Quassel Git: http://git.quassel-irc.org/?p=quassel.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/libindicate
[14:38] <Riddell> nice
[14:38] <rgreening> Riddell: yep. I'm updating shortly... I'll ping you with it
[14:38] <agateau> ScottK: great news
[14:49] <rgreening> Riddell: bug 424312
[14:51] <rgreening> Riddell: I believe the report should contain the necessary details. If not, let me know what else you require.
[14:51] <seele> has maco been around lately?
[14:52]  * seele wonders if she is getting killed by schoolwork
[14:59] <Riddell> I've implemented KubuntuKarmicXsplash
[14:59] <Riddell> it works ok but it's only shown very briefly
[15:00] <rgreening> cool
[15:00] <rgreening> how brief?
[15:00] <Riddell> 1 second max
[15:00] <rgreening> BWHAHAHAHHAHA!
[15:00] <Riddell> bit more for autologin though
[15:01] <rgreening> maybe it should be called KubuntuKarmicSeeThatFlash
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> blah, translations for modules in System Settings are borked
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> run the modules in a kcmshell4 and they're fine, tho
[15:23] <rgreening> Riddell: how hard would it be to get a standing FFe for arora? I was speaking with icefox and adblock and some other useful features will be available soonish...
[15:24] <Riddell> rgreening: I expect I can agree to that
[15:25] <rgreening> Riddell: ok, cool. So, do you need anything from me to make that happen?
[15:26] <Riddell> rgreening: a bug to comment on?
[15:26] <rgreening> Ok. Will open one now.
[15:34] <Riddell> apachelogger: win!
[15:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: what did we win :)
[15:38] <Riddell> a fan of k-netbook
[15:39] <ScottK> Where?
[15:39] <apachelogger> oh, right :)
[15:39] <rgreening> Riddell: in addition to FFe for 0.9.0 bug 424312, I have opened a standing FFe for arora as bug 427903. Do I still need to subscribe ubuntu-release to the bug?
[15:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: ml
[15:39] <yuriy> Riddell: is that one second with X already starting earlier or have they not done that yet?
[15:39]  * ScottK looks
[15:40] <Riddell> rgreening: yes do subscribe them
[15:40] <rgreening> ok. consider it done.
[15:40] <Riddell> yuriy: they havn't done that yet so it may indeed change
[15:41] <rgreening> Riddell: ok, ball is in your court now.
[15:54] <ScottK> Someone should look at syncing kmymoney from Debian since it's 1.0 now
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> ^should we wait for debian to get 1.0.1 first?
[16:11] <neversfelde> I guess, we need more feedback for bug 424328
[16:17] <Riddell> dantti: can you remind me again the status of policykit 1.0 for kde?
[16:22] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I removed the compiz patch from kdebase-workspace and added the xsplash one, ok if I upload?
[16:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: can you still give FFe for universe or did they revoke that privilege?
[16:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes I can although vorian is the first call for KDE bits if he's around
[16:23] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I'm done with what I needed to do
[16:24] <apachelogger> well, he is not
[16:25] <apachelogger> obama is quite away :P
[16:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 427841
[16:25] <apachelogger> only need a second ack anyway
[16:25] <JontheEchidna> lol, you pinged obama for an FFe?
[16:25] <apachelogger> I think I did
[16:25] <apachelogger> weeeheee, android 1.6
[16:25]  * JontheEchidna reads backscroll
[16:25]  * apachelogger notes that it takes ages to boot
[16:29] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: You're a Spanish speaker, right?
[16:31] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: sorta, 3 years in highschool
[16:31] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Could you take a whack at translating Bug 427933?
[16:33] <Riddell> bugs in languages other than English are usually just closed
[16:37] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes, but this one I think is a bug about translations.
[16:37] <ScottK> So I thought it was worth a look.
[16:38] <Riddell> try dpm then
[16:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: we don't want openoffice.org-math ?
[16:38] <JontheEchidna> If I knew what an entrada was...
[16:39]  * dpm is busy with something else and might not be too responsive in the next 1h or so
[16:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: I don't see why it got a very limited use case
[16:39] <Riddell> it's like an enchilada I recon
[16:39] <dpm> but feel free to ask
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I've posted my best translation
[16:39] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Thanks.
[16:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: fair enough
[16:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: I really think we should be focusing on more lang packs :)
[16:41] <Riddell> we should do another translations day before beta to make sure they're all working (e.g. someone moaned about system settings not working earlier)
[16:42] <Riddell> dpm: ^^
[16:42] <apachelogger> systemsettings seems to be working for me, though kpk is not all that well translated to german
[16:43] <dpm> Riddell: sure, I'm all for it. Let's talk about it on Monday or someone just kick off a thread on kubuntu-devel
[16:44] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm moving kuser to dvd and updating kubuntu-meta
[16:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: thanks for doing the seed re-org, I don't know why it didn't work when I tried it
[16:45] <ScottK> Excellent.
[16:45] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Did we adjust userconfig to be less hidden in systemsettings?
[16:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: you forgot to edit the task-seeds, other than that your approach would have been working IIRC
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: still up for debate, I think
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> in that we never reached a conclusion
[16:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: where are those edited?
[16:51] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: OK.  I think adding a user is a pretty basic system function.
[16:51] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^?
[16:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh I see, that explains it
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> bug 425373
[16:53] <Riddell> JontheEchidna, ScottK: I would have expected it under General->Computer Administration i think
[16:53] <Riddell> but we have seele for decisions like this :)
[16:53]  * ScottK too.  It's hidden in advance now.
[16:53] <ScottK> OK
[16:54] <JontheEchidna> computer admin would seem correct
[16:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, for testing: edit /usr/bin/germinate and change the bzr branch url to somewhere else (e.g. your user) then push your changes there and run germinate --bzr
[16:57] <apachelogger> that way you don't have to pass the changes through the main branch
[16:59] <Riddell> yeah I know
[16:59] <apachelogger> ok :)
[16:59]  * apachelogger waits for soyuz to process kasomo
[16:59] <apachelogger> kamoso even
[17:01] <apachelogger> ScottK: kamoso in NEW; ffe bug 427841; needs to go to multiverse due to vlc
[17:01] <nixternal> HELP!!!!!
[17:02] <Riddell> nixternal: hmm?
[17:02] <nixternal> I have to clean out my messy shed and I need help :)
[17:02] <apachelogger> hm
[17:02] <apachelogger> actually
[17:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: vlc is in universe?
[17:02] <nixternal> should be called "The House of Bikes" and not a shed really
[17:02] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc
[17:02] <Riddell> gosh, when did that happen?
[17:03] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'm gonna let Riddell take that one.
[17:03] <apachelogger> karmic it seems
[17:03] <nixternal> apachelogger: yes, because there are already enough video players in main supposedly
[17:03] <ScottK> I think since ffmpeg got shoved around
[17:03] <apachelogger> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=vlc&searchon=names
[17:03] <nixternal> and because of what ScottK just said
[17:03] <ScottK> Something related to the new patent policy, IIRC.
[17:03] <apachelogger> poor ffmpeg
[17:03] <apachelogger> ScottK: dunno if Riddell wants to take it he gave ack on revu and on the ffe ;(
[17:03] <apachelogger> ;) even
[17:04] <ScottK> Oh.
[17:04] <Riddell> right, I shouldn't do the archive admin review on it
[17:04]  * ScottK is tied up for a while.  Maybe tonight.
[17:04] <apachelogger> ok
[17:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: did you get a tar from upstream with licence in it?
[17:04] <apachelogger> aye
[17:04] <apachelogger> and poked him the first time about getting an alternative backend ;)
[17:07] <apachelogger> krunner -> apt:package ... is pure awesomeness TBH
[17:18] <dantti> Riddell: It's being ported by a fedora guy, as not even the gnome polkit dialog works here I can't help much..
[17:21] <Riddell> dantti: you could always install a distro where it does work :)
[17:22] <dantti> Riddell: yes I could, but as I work at work, doing ssh to a VM is a bit of a pain..
[17:22] <dantti> I mean slow...
[17:24] <Riddell> dantti: who's the fedora guy?
[17:25] <dantti> Riddell: his nick is jreznik , you can find him in #policykit-kde
[17:32] <Riddell> shtylman: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/427978 for you?
[17:33] <apachelogger> huh
[17:34] <apachelogger> the default kopete chat windows is kind of small
[17:48] <neversfelde> oh, no. kformula is gone again
[17:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: where the heck does stuff go I write in the kopete facebook thingy?
[17:52] <rgreening> Nightrose: have you seen amarok resume play after pressing pause button? It is happening on my system (I expect it's somethnig to do with the keyboard settings on my system though)
[17:52] <Riddell> it should go to who you are writing to
[17:52] <rgreening> apachelogger: your wall
[17:52] <rgreening> apachelogger: all your friends can typically see the wall messages
[17:53] <rgreening> facebook wall is actually the first twitter... :)
[17:53] <rgreening> haha
[17:53] <Nightrose> rgreening: i have a similar problem with the multimedia keys on my keyboard - the keys seem to get stuck - it might also be a problem with your phonon backend though
[17:53] <Nightrose> i have no idea if my problem is a HW or SW failure though
[17:53] <rgreening> hmm... Nightrose sugesstions on what I can do to test/debug?
[17:53] <apachelogger> rgreening: well, I sent it to someone
[17:54] <Nightrose> try changing your phonon backend i'd say
[17:54] <Nightrose> and check if you have pulseaudio somewhere there
[17:54] <apachelogger> doesn't show up on any wall though
[17:56] <rgreening> Nightrose: here's my debug from pressing pause from a running podcast and it restarts playing... http://paste.ubuntu.com/269274/
[17:56] <apachelogger> rgreening: in fact, I don't even know how I would post to my wall
[17:57] <rgreening> apachelogger: haha. I can't help teach you facebook. thats a journey best had by the individual. :)
[17:57] <apachelogger> I don't want a journey I want to test the darn plugin :P
[17:57] <Nightrose> rgreening: can you try in #amarok please? I'm not the best to help you with this unfortunately
[17:58] <rgreening> np. just wondering if you had seen this or not.
[17:59] <Nightrose> the answer would be: kinda ;-)
[18:00]  * Riddell pokes netbook types into #k-n
[18:00] <apachelogger> oh, that is actually shareworthy
[18:01] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/6413_108259837705_635482705_1990635_5810068_n.jpg
[18:02] <apachelogger> that happens when apachelogger gets to hear daft punk's one more time :D
[18:06] <Riddell> rgreening: arora FFe approved
[18:06] <Riddell> looks like amarok approved too, I'll upload that, thanks for the help Nightrose
[18:07] <Nightrose> thanks to you :)
[18:09] <neversfelde> does the doc team needs to be informed?
[18:09] <rgreening> ty Riddell. was that for both the FFe for 0.9.0 and standing FFe for on-going?
[18:09] <Nightrose> there is no upstream doc for amarok
[18:09] <Nightrose> we'll hopefully get that done for 2.3
[18:09] <Nightrose> or better for 2.2.1
[18:10] <Riddell> rgreening: yes
[18:11] <Riddell> kubuntu doc team, which I guess is jjesse and nixternal
[18:11] <Riddell> shtylman: "temporarily force sudo until we work out why kdesudo stops it passing partitioning stage" wibble, what's that all about?
[18:12] <davmor2> Riddell: ublog still has the configure button over it :(
[18:12] <neversfelde> Riddell: and probably the slideshow needs to be changed?
[18:12] <davmor2> after being configured there is a bug I can't remember the number off hand though
[18:13] <rgreening> ty Riddell
[18:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: can you please accept my friendship request on fb, need someone to test with :P
[18:19] <Riddell> oh now you've distracted me
[18:19] <Riddell> Nightrose: who's Ingo Malchow and do I want him to be my friend?
[18:19] <Nightrose> Riddell: haha - he's one of the kde forum admins
[18:19] <Nightrose> nice dude
[18:19] <neversfelde> hehe, yes he is
[18:20] <neversfelde> neverendingo on freenode
[18:21] <rgreening> Riddell: did you upload the package for arora 0.9.0 from my PPA yet?
[18:22] <Riddell> rgreening: no, you never told me to
[18:23] <rgreening> lol. my bad thought I did. Can you?
[18:23] <rgreening> now that the FFe is approved
[18:24] <rgreening> :)
[18:24] <rgreening> Riddell: s/did/can :)
[18:24] <rgreening> hows that
[18:24] <rgreening> :P
[18:25] <apachelogger> btw, with latest kds you should get oxygen emoticons
[18:25]  * rgreening needs caffiene
[18:25] <apachelogger> way better than the old kde3ish ones
[18:25] <rgreening> \o/
[18:26] <rgreening> Riddell: what's the latest time we can get any update to arora into Karmic?
[18:26] <rgreening> just so I can give icefox a pseudo dead/timeline for adblock, wallet, etc
[18:27] <neversfelde> we should bring partitionamanger to the cd, do we have enough space for it?
[18:27] <ScottK> Is it reliable enough?
[18:27] <apachelogger> still beta I think?
[18:27] <neversfelde> I tested it with several harddrives and usb stick, there was no problem
[18:28] <neversfelde> apachelogger: no, it is stable 1.0.0 afair
[18:28] <apachelogger> oh indeed
[18:28]  * apachelogger checks deps
[18:28] <neversfelde> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KDE+Partition+Manager?content=89595
[18:29] <apachelogger> we should have all the deps on the CD already
[18:29] <apachelogger> package itself is >2MiB though
[18:29] <apachelogger> maybe we can squeeze that a bit
[18:29] <neversfelde> and it is something every user needs
[18:29] <apachelogger> well, I wouldn't go that far :P
[18:30] <apachelogger> anyway, get some more testing information and get the main inclusion process started
[18:30] <neversfelde> apachelogger: ok, will do
[18:30] <apachelogger> ultimately youd mail kubuntu-devel beforehand though
[18:31] <apachelogger> in case someone disagrees with having it on the CD
[18:31] <ScottK> neversfelde: What cases are not handled by the installer that we need this on CD?
[18:33] <neversfelde> ScottK: format external harddisks and usb sticks, change filesystem of external devices erase your windows partition :)
[18:33] <ScottK> neversfelde: What of that do I need to do during install that the installer can't do?
[18:34] <neversfelde> ScottK: mhh, nothing, so probably better the DVD?
[18:34] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, youd need it on the installation as well?
[18:34] <apachelogger> or even more there
[18:34] <neversfelde> it would be useful for encrypting partitions with the live CD, but I guess users, that do this can use the command line
[18:34] <ScottK> apachelogger: Why?
[18:34]  * apachelogger wants to note that the only time he formated anything was the sdcard of his android phone but even that he did from within the UI, so he has no clue whether this is really needed
[18:34] <ScottK> neversfelde: That's supported on the alternate CD
[18:35] <apachelogger> ScottK: formatting usb disks seems like a common use case
[18:35] <apachelogger> consider above disclaimr though
[18:35] <ScottK> apachelogger: During install?
[18:35] <apachelogger> nah
[18:35] <neversfelde> ScottK: really, I thought that only encrypted /home is supported
[18:35] <apachelogger> installation
[18:35] <apachelogger> eh
[18:35] <apachelogger> after installation
[18:35] <apachelogger> in the running system
[18:35] <ScottK> Right, so not needed on the CD I don't think.
[18:35] <ScottK> I'm fine with supported on the DVD.
[18:36] <ScottK> I think it's late to be adding it to the CD.
[18:36] <neversfelde> yes, probably the best solution to put it on the DVD
[18:36] <apachelogger> why would you not want to have it when installed from CD?
[18:37] <ScottK> Because I'm nervous about introducing potentially system destroying packages to the default install late in the development cycle.
[18:37] <apachelogger> well, only destroying if the user chooses to do so :P
[18:38] <apachelogger> but yeah, we can postpone the CD shipping to 10.04
[18:39] <apachelogger> I have no idea if the fb plugin is online or offline
[18:39] <apachelogger> need more friends
[18:39] <neversfelde> no showstopper for Karmic, btw. users gave very positive feedback in our forum for 9.10
[18:39] <apachelogger> urls plz
[18:40] <neversfelde> apachelogger: send you a request
[18:40] <apachelogger> I doubt that
[18:41] <apachelogger> apport is eating my ram -.-
[18:43] <neversfelde> apachelogger: Freundschaftsanfrage anhängig and it was the only Harald Sitter
[18:45] <apachelogger> well
[19:43] <apachelogger> Sput: since we were talking about protocols earlier... quassel should gain protocol support, so that one can link to irc://irc.ubuntu.com/#kubuntu-devel on websites
[19:43] <Sput> apachelogger: true that
[19:44] <Sput> though we probably need a dbus interface or something for that :)
[19:44] <apachelogger> Sput: have a protoclhandler app that dbusses the client/monoclient?
[19:46]  * Sput has no idea how protocol handling works in KDE or elsewhere
[19:46] <Sput> but we certainly need some way to remote-control the app :)
[19:48] <apachelogger> kde protocols are easy
[19:48] <apachelogger> Sput: you basically just need an app to handle the URL
[19:48] <Sput> I see
[19:48] <apachelogger> well, actually lib or app
[19:49] <apachelogger> http uses kio_http while amarok uses, well the amarok bin
[19:49] <Sput> hmmm... could be quassel itself, if started with a parameter, it could check the session bus and start itself or remote control another instance
[19:49] <apachelogger> Sput: the problem is however, how to know whether to exec the monoclient or the regular one?
[19:50] <Sput> well... what if it doesn't matter? :)
[19:50] <apachelogger> how so?
[19:50] <Sput> oh... for the first one
[20:10] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: btw, if you haven't upload the new networkmanagement yet, there's another crash fix in svn
[20:10] <JontheEchidna> for bug 426692
[20:55] <davmor2> meh that's not nice
[20:56] <davmor2> if you select some random desktop effects from the list in kubuntu and hit apply you get a white screen :(
[20:57] <apachelogger> bad driver?
[20:58] <apachelogger> oh right
[20:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: please move the install-package branch from you to kubuntu-members
[20:59] <apachelogger> I can't bzr push :P
[21:04] <apachelogger> X went down
[21:04] <apachelogger> time for bed
[21:04] <Tm_T> apachelogger: indeed, son
[21:18] <Tonio__> huml any idea how where downloaded the knetworkmanager po files ?
[21:19] <Tonio__> I can't remember the script that helps creating the tarball from the svn sources on that point
[21:21] <ScottK> messages.sh?
[21:23] <Tonio_> ScottK: Messages.sh: 2: settings/config/traysettings.ui: Permission denied
[21:24] <Tonio_> ScottK: I can read/write in them so I guess there is another trouble
[21:24] <ScottK> Riddell is Mr. Messages.sh.
[21:24] <Tonio_> ScottK: btw this only creates the pot file, it won't get the po files on the svn/l10n
[21:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: any idea on that point ?
[21:26] <ScottK> No idea.
[21:27] <Tonio_> ScottK: I know there is a script that can generate a tarball including kde po files from an svn source tree.... just can't remember the name :) frustrating
[21:28] <ScottK> Maybe apachelogger knows.
[21:39] <Tonio_> apachelogger: ? :)
[21:50] <rgreening> no one here knows kil8n stuff... :)  I've been struggling with these issues myself of late. I think we need a wiki that describes it all and nominate Riddel to spearhead getting the details we need :)
[22:13] <ryanakca> Heh, no wonder I haven't received any Kubuntu mail for the past few days, offlineimap croaked on me...
[23:59] <shtylman> Riddell: I will take a look at that first bug...what is this sudo stuff about? I don't follow