=== christian is now known as Guest7546 [00:04] hola [00:07] When some apps starts up, the loading icon stays there for while (at the panel and next to the cursor) even after the loading finishes, how can this be fixed? [00:08] you can disable it... [00:10] avihay I remember you could set the time it shows up and many options, but can't find it, you know where it is? [00:13] or where can it be disabled. [00:15] P3X-018: system settings->desktop->launch notification [00:16] hi guys [00:16] That last option doesn't exist... [00:17] my knetworkmanager doesn't want to connect to WEP wifi's [00:17] and i have a correct WEP key [00:17] humm, I have it [00:17] he doesn't even try to make connection [00:17] ivangarcia__: I prefer not useing knetworkmanager [00:19] P3X-018: it should be called launch feedback, my bad [00:21] where can I find the system requirements for kubuntu? [00:21] avihay: Problem is I have only 4 options there... (I know I've had more) [00:22] aj_444: it's on the website here and there. you want me to look it up for you? [00:23] avihay: that would help. I can't find it. :/ [00:23] k [00:24] P3X-018: in kde3 run kcontrol in the terminal and then hunt through the many, many options [00:24] it should also be in kde4 [00:25] or open the terminal / konsole and type kcon then press tab and it may auto complete the name [00:26] any help? [00:27] Spaceman: Great the needed options are there! [00:28] aj_444: I found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubuntu#System_requirements but I don't belive it, tell me what's the system you want to run it on, I'll tell you how it will run [00:29] avihay: Its running a 1.66 ghz intel atom proccessor, has 1gb ram.. and that intel GMA 950. [00:31] I am trying to mount a vfat drive in fstab but can't get read write. Here is my fstab: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m466689e I just can't get the options right at the end. Can anyone check? [00:32] well, I'm guessing that's a netbook. or how ever you call them. it should be just a little slow, but still fun to work with [00:32] avihay: mmk. I'll install it. [00:34] how do i play dvds on ubuntu? [00:35] aj_444: I ran kde 4.2 on a p4 1.6GHz with 512 and it was slow. but the atom processor should be way faster [00:35] avihay: worst that happens is I continue using gnome. It looks really cool. [00:36] !dvd | e370 [00:36] e370: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/musicvideophotos/C/video.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [00:38] jordo2323: if you do "ls -al /media/MEDIA" what's the permissions? [00:48] I keep getting stuck (just pauses forever) trying to download java plugin for firefox.. some thing when trying to "fetch packages" with adept... [00:48] Is this only me? [00:48] Or is something major screwed up out there? [00:50] I heard someone complaining about some of ubuntu's repositories [00:51] So I just tried the add/remove packages thingy and it doesn't even tell me, downloading currently at 0% so I don't know if it's doing anything or not. [00:51] Is anyone else in the US or Canada having trouble getting to us.archive.ubuntu.com or ca.archive.ubuntu.com? [00:51] That's cause I forgot to click on "apply changes" [00:52] but it seems stuck on "Downloading 1 of 23 packages" [00:52] or, maybe you didn't click th e"apply changes", yhe... :-> [00:52] can you see the address it tryes to download from? [00:55] with adept trying to fetch packages, it stops after boxee.tv ... something like that.. [00:55] I need to get some work done.... I had this problem yesterday, this morning, and still now... [00:55] sounds like you added a repository, and the repository no longer exsists [00:55] maybe I should re-install [00:56] but for now, I need to use my windows partition, i think........ [00:56] I need the java pluggin for firefox.. to access my class site.. [00:57] :-> [00:57] sec [00:59] solifugus, try https://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS-CDS_Developer-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewProductDetail-Start?ProductRef=jre-6u16-oth-JPR@CDS-CDS_Developer [00:59] too late ... :-< [01:07] how do I remove the top panel in ubuntu? [01:14] How can I start nm-applet automatically when I start Kubuntu? [01:16] I want to repair grub using the live cd. I want to use the GUI way to repair grub and I read a guide where I have to select "manual partition" but from there I can't "mount" the drives as it says in the guide. Any suggestions? [01:19] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/268854/ I get stuck on step 4. Any suggestions? === patrick is now known as Guest92811 === Guest92811 is now known as rouser [01:22] i'm sure you get this all the time, but can someone point me in the direction of installing flash on 64bit? [01:27] someone? [01:28] http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ [01:29] that install isn't working properly for 64bit [01:32] I've been doing some snooping, as you can't install from the add/remove list and you can't run it from the adobe website's download as is [01:32] anyone find a way around that? i'm sure there is, who would use an OS that didn't have flash? [01:35] rouser, you may want to ask at #ubuntu. I'm sure I've seen successful installations of 64 bit flash there before. [01:37] I have a question. Anyone know how to add firefox to kubuntu? [01:37] Same as any other program [01:38] do an apt-get install? [01:38] Firefox 3.0 is package "firefox", and Firefox 3.5 is "firefox-3.5" [01:38] Than you! === Milk|ZzzZ is now known as ManOfMilk [01:49] hello [01:49] Hi Irving. [01:49] would you be able to help me with a kubuntu issue [01:50] I can try. [01:50] What is the issue [01:51] ok i have a brand new install of 9.04 and cannot connect to my wireless network [01:51] Ah, same problem I had [01:51] it worked great before, i had the same version installed a few days ago [01:51] I have to run nm-applet from the terminal to get mine running. [01:52] Have you tried that? [01:53] no, i'm very new at this [01:53] very little experience with linux [01:53] No problem [01:54] so im in the terminal now, what do i do? [01:54] nm-applet [01:54] Now, to qualify this, I also run Ubuntu so I'm not sure if that helps my situation or not. [01:55] it says it can be found in the following packages and gives two packages [01:55] should i download the network-manager-gnome [01:55] packages are? [01:55] how can i install base in my openoffice??? [01:56] network-manager-gnome [01:56] mythbuntu-diskless-client [01:56] network-manager-gnome [01:57] That is the one you want IIRC [01:58] "Package network-manager-gnome is not available, but is referred to by another package." [01:58] I just installed Karmic and have a few issues if anyone can help...they are related to unreachable drives, lots of ? icons in folders and kwin crashes [01:58] sudo apt-get install network-manager-gnome [01:58] thats what i did [01:59] it also says "This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source [02:00] E: Pacakge network-manager-gnome has no installation candidate [02:00] Irving: I'm trying to remember how I solved this very problem [02:00] ok thanks for the help [02:00] I'm searching now [02:00] i believe i had my wirless adapter connected while installing, maybe that effected it [02:00] I have it working right now so I know it is possible. [02:01] This is a known bug in Kubuntu.....the solution is to use gnomes network manager. [02:01] a few days ago when I installed it the first time it immediately worked when I plugged in my adapter [02:01] oh ok [02:02] Yup, same thing here! [02:02] Try this: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/gnome [02:02] Then, when you have it working, go back to Kubuntu and do the nm-applet thingy [02:03] how can i install base in my openoffice??? [02:03] Is that possible? Not elegant, but I'm sure it will duplicate my situation [02:03] biovirus: hang in there.... [02:05] these things aren't working either [02:05] hmmmm [02:05] which ones? [02:05] im not connected to the internet, doesn't it need it to download these? [02:05] Ah, that is a problem === scimitar is now known as Scimitar^ [02:06] sudo apt-get update && ... [02:06] Irving: you don't have a wired connection available? I know that is a bad question! [02:07] unfortunately i don't [02:07] hmmm.....I will keep searching then [02:07] well i do, but no way to get to it, need either a very long cable or moving my entire dektop [02:07] it shows my network [02:07] Irving: I had the very same problem. I understand your frustration completely [02:08] i hit scan in the wireless network screen, selected my SSID, then put in my security info [02:08] Irving: it won't work [02:08] it just says not connected on the notifier on the bottom right [02:08] yup, same as me [02:08] hmm [02:09] its odd i don't even have a connect button anywhere [02:09] i remember the first time on my previous install I had to manually connect [02:10] i can't even find that button now though [02:10] I had the very same issues.... [02:16] And I got so angry [02:16] If we could get you to install Ubuntu, then restart in Kubuntu and run nm-applet all would be well. [02:19] i supposed I could [02:20] Well, I know no other way on this issue [02:22] ok thank you for all your help [02:22] i may try reinstalling with the card unbplugged, since I did have this working a day ago [02:22] Well, it didn't work though.....what are your plans? [02:23] that seems to be the only difference [02:23] idk, if that doesn't do it, and I can't find anything else out probably just install ubuntu [02:23] Do you have a CD/DVD of Ubuntu/Kubuntu? [02:24] kubuntu, no ubuntu [02:25] Ok, just searching [02:26] Kubuntu is worth trying out. I run about 25% of my time here now. And that is increasing. [02:27] Irving: Err. I don't use KDE myself but I'd try commenting out whatever it is under # The primary network interface in /etc/network/interfaces -- See if that works for you. [02:30] h/o a bit leaf, phone call [02:36] try doing what with my kubuntu cd, reinstall? === owner is now known as perspectoff === mirco_ is now known as mirco [02:49] Irving: Meh? === melissa is now known as Xana [02:53] h/o === fontknocker|away is now known as fontknocker [03:01] i'm back [03:05] how can i install base in my openoffice??? === root is now known as Guest66436 [03:14] how can i install base in my openoffice??? [03:33] hello [03:35] I need help [03:35] with ubuntu [03:38] * fuyter is away: Sleeping === shtylman__ is now known as shtylman [03:42] anyone know how to make the sound work in kubuntu? >_< [04:30] sevol: what is the problem?? [04:30] how is kdebluetooth working in kubuntu? [04:47] any one know how to insall file from tgz file.. [04:48] Shrey: What are you trying to install? [04:49] Shrey: if you unzip it you are likely to find a readme file [04:49] Ahead Nero. i have tgz file. i unziped it and it have two folder usr and etc [04:50] no readme file anywhere. [05:04] how can i start konsole as root.. [05:08] how to log in terminal as root [05:10] good Q Shrey, though unfortunately I do not have the answer...yet [05:11] Shrey: "su" without any users will default to root, "su -" will give you root + environment [05:12] oki [05:12] ty sub [05:12] how can i install base in my openoffice??? [05:13] np [05:13] buy a good stereo...mmmm methinks someone else needs to field the Questions [05:14] :) [05:14] biovirus: by "base" are you referring to the intrusion detection package? [05:15] no, the database program [05:15] hrmn, not familiar with it. [05:15] :S [05:18] i want to enable swap permanet, for that i have to edit fstab file, but i m not able to save it. [05:18] how can i save it. [05:18] biovirus: http://www.len.ro/2008/11/openofficeorg-base-on-intrepid/ [05:19] sub[t]rnl: but i have jaunty, doesnt matter? === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [05:20] congrats WOOHOOOO aherm [05:20] clay [05:20] :) [05:20] biovirus: it should not, no. The link came from a jaunty user who installed it that way. [05:21] i want to save fstab file but i m not able to save it. pls help [05:21] Used Sudo? [05:22] Shrey: kdesudo kate /etc/fstab from konsole, or edit it via a console based editer via what Coyotes just said [05:22] editor* [05:22] ya used sudo. [05:22] yeah I just use "Sudo VI" or whatever they installed... [05:22] any will do :) [05:23] did it work as admin? [05:23] kdesudo kate worked thanks. [05:23] work done [05:23] cool === madberry is now known as help === help is now known as madberry [05:26] sub[t]rnl:, it works, thnks very much [05:26] good deal === anthony is now known as Guest70986 === Guest70986 is now known as anthony_ === melissa is now known as Xana === mirco_ is now known as mirco === krinei is now known as Anak^Kampung [07:59] how can I install stuff offline again? I don't recall how I can get the list of packages to install from apt-get === administrator__ is now known as kmz [08:06] !offline | kaddi [08:06] kaddi: If you need to download Ubuntu packages using another machine or OS, check the desired packages in Synaptic and select File > Generate package download script. Alternatively, try http://apt.alturl.com/ - See also !APTonCD [08:08] thanks :) [08:11] puhuuko suomea kukaa tääl [08:20] kmz: #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi:ltä saa suomeksi tukea [08:25] can we have itunes in kubuntu..i tried installing it using wine but did'nt worked. any suggestion ? [08:58] itunes in linux ? is it possible. [09:00] Shrey_: sure.. in a virtual machine running Windows :) [09:00] Bou: like VMware [09:13] hi ,, i have problem with my ipod touch ,, i install ipod-convenience and i do >> ipod-touch-mount and i get this error >> Please add yourself to the fuse group, logout/in and try again. ...... any idea ?! [09:18] hi ,, i have problem with my ipod touch ,, i install ipod-convenience and i do >> ipod-touch-mount and i get this error >> Please add yourself to the fuse group, logout/in and try again. ...... any idea ?! [09:19] Sicilia: add yourself to the fuse group [09:20] i do it [09:21] but nothing happen [09:21] Sicilia: did you log out? [09:21] yes [09:22] and i restart [09:23] :( [09:24] Sicilia: try google with "ipod touch fuse group message error" [09:24] i google it [09:24] nothig :\ [09:25] Sicilia: you can bet you won't be the first with this problem [09:25] mm [09:38] Sicilia: i've already seen people here asking for same problem so there should be some answer on Google [10:02] can someone point me in the right direction to find some info on creating a kde4 widget? [10:12] hello, im about to setup 10 computers with the same specifications. Since each unit is the same, what can i do to speed up the installation process? [10:13] i mean , a way that i wont be able to redo the same tasks / configuration 10 times? [10:17] anyone? [10:18] is there a way to 'clone' one computer's kubuntu installation ? [10:28] rvb: puppet? [10:29] hi , what's puppet? [10:30] http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/ === chosig_ is now known as chosig [10:57] hi ,, i have problem with my ipod touch ,, i install ipod-convenience and i do >> ipod-touch-mount and i get this error >> Please add yourself to the fuse group, logout/in and try again. ...... any idea ?! [10:59] Sicilia: well, you need to do exactly that: add yourself to the fuse group [11:00] from what you showed me you are already part of the fuse group [11:00] i do it already [11:01] geek@GeeK-Pc:~$ groups [11:01] fuse plugdev admin vboxusers [11:01] let's try mounting something else [11:01] mm [11:02] do you have smbnetfs installed? [11:03] avihay, are u talk with me ?! [11:03] yes [11:03] ok sorry [11:03] what is smbnetfs ? [11:03] !info smbnetfs [11:03] smbnetfs (source: smbnetfs): User-space filesystem for SMB/NMB (Windows) network servers and shares. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.11a-1 (jaunty), package size 36 kB, installed size 148 kB [11:03] no no [11:04] install it, it's 36 k large, and it can be usefull [11:04] ok done [11:05] this file system lets you browse the samba shares in your home, but even if you don't have any shares, it should still work [11:06] ok [11:06] but that not the solution of my problem :s [11:06] my problem with ipod-touch and i can`t mount it :\ [11:06] can you go to, say /tmp , and make a folder called smb, and then type smbnetfs /tmp/smb [11:07] i know, I'm just trying to check if the problem is in the ipod package, or in fuse [11:08] root@GeeK-Pc:~/tmp/smb# << like this ? [11:08] yes [11:08] ok [11:08] done [11:08] and the smbnetfs /tmp/smb? === linkerz is now known as linkerz_ [11:25] ddd === linkerz_ is now known as linkerz [11:27] !info ddd [11:27] ddd (source: ddd): The Data Display Debugger, a graphical debugger frontend. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:3.3.11-1ubuntu1 (jaunty), package size 1376 kB, installed size 3780 kB === Bou is now known as Bou_afk === leo is now known as leobuntu === leobuntu is now known as leo_ === leo_ is now known as leobuntu [11:56] test === morice-net is now known as morice-away [12:32] hola buenos dias === m4v_ is now known as m4v === Bou_afk is now known as Bou [12:51] hi [12:59] ohh [13:13] online boxing game http://www.kobox.org/kobox-fande-Nourine.html [13:29] playonlinux says that i dont have 3d drivers enabled although i do [13:41] * fuyter is back (gone 10:03:21) [13:58] can someone help me with python? i did some update-alternatives coomand and now python says command not found === my_key_ is now known as mykeyspace === my_key_ is now known as Guest36394 === fkg is now known as Aeternum === naee is now known as eean [14:54] hello === ash is now known as Ash_newbie [14:56] hey - i have strange thing - when i open speedCrunch it's not active - SpeedCrunch window is inactive, i have to click on it every time to make window active [14:57] im pretty new to kubuntu and have some problems with samba i think. i can access my win7 shares but cant set up any shares on this mashine [14:58] every time i do a rightclick on a folder in dolphin choose settings and then sharings and then set up sharings nothing happens [14:59] i guess i need to install some extra packages but im not sure and dont have a clue [15:11] Ash_newbie: You may want to install package kdenetwork-filesharing and also samba (the client gets installed by default but not the server part) [15:12] genii: i think i did a misstake a min ago by installing samba4 [15:12] ill try [15:16] want to install Ahead Nero but its in .tgz file..how should i do. [15:16] anyone can take me on remote desktop and do it.i will see and learn. [15:25] hiyas [15:27] hi everyone [15:29] cual es la sala en español de irc [15:29] paulo: #ubuntu-es I believe, and who knows, #kubuntu-es maybe too. [15:29] !es [15:29] En la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es. [15:32] where u alll busy guys [15:34] my amarok will only play mp3 if I run it with kdesudo [15:35] if I start it with my regular user it asks if I want to install mp3 support... If I click yes, nothing happens, [15:36] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2009-March/176040.html had the same problem, solved it and links to http://amarok.kde.org/forum/index.php/topic,15438.0.html [15:36] but that link redirects to http://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=127 :( === alberto is now known as Guest16743 [15:39] probably related: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg638708.html [15:43] lokpest: did you it install with a package manager ? [15:44] BluesKaj: dont know, it was really long ago... [15:44] but it might have been [15:47] frenchies do it better :) [15:48] lokpest: sometimes if you compile after downloading an app from source , you end up without user permissions ,hence the pw requirement to launch the app. === avihayb_ is now known as avihayb [15:50] BluesKaj: I didnt compile it... I installed it from Adept or from inside Amarok (wich is really adept_batch if I understand correct) [15:56] smb requires permission? [15:59] cuznt: what are you trying to do? [16:01] ah this is the window. i am trying to see my wifes pc and her shared folders on my pc [16:02] she is windoz and i kde 4.3.1 i got it to where she can see my printer in the work group to share, so she can see my pc but not my files... and i can not see her pc at all === kb is now known as Guest38544 === maximo is now known as Maximo [16:34] hello [16:35] anybody here [16:35] AlpineIbex: nope [16:35] :) [16:35] i have one question (my english == bad english), ... === hhlp__ is now known as hhlp [16:35] AlpineIbex: just go ahead and state your problem ( the channel is pretty quite ) [16:36] In systemTry i have 4 blocked updates, what that mean and how to remove them from there? [16:36] i did not ask google yet (sorry) [16:39] anyone... [16:42] AlpineIbex: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [16:42] ok, thn i will tray :D, and what will that make? [16:47] thx [16:47] bye [17:00] I m not able to start my quassel IRC which came with kubuntu..pls tell what to do now [17:01] shrey: Perhaps ask in channel #quassel :) [17:05] i had quassel issues on 32 bit but not on 64 [17:08] well, genii , #ubuntu+1 is filling up with know-it-alls , that always have a 'better idea' when advice is given , thereby distracting and putting the solution on a tangent rather than trying to help ... it's becoming a pita [17:09] BluesKaj: It's a common problem in a lot of other channels too, unfortunately [17:10] it seems worse than usual tho [17:11] quick question: Which is the best app to play Audio CDs in Kubuntu? [17:12] SonhadorPR: Amarok is generally used [17:14] it's not playing my cds. [17:14] How do I do this? [17:16] SonhadorPR: you might need restricted extras [17:16] robin0800: How do I do that? === morice-away is now known as morice-net [17:19] !restricted [17:19] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/musicvideophotos/C/video.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [17:22] genii: thanx...educating myself now! :) [17:23] SonhadorPR: You're welcome [17:24] Who here is the resident guru on Kubuntu 9.04? [17:24] scm422: everyone... [17:24] * cuznt checks his guru [17:24] Im new to it and have a few questions [17:25] !ask [17:25] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [17:25] scm422: just state the problem and all of us will help you out :) [17:25] Just curious as to when my system goes and checks for updates, there are a few items that dont update and are blocked. [17:26] lsusb lists a device attached. how do i figure out what /dev/device to mount? [17:26] scm422: that means that they might be missing dependencies,etc etc, or they might be kernel upgrades and such [17:27] scm422: use : sudo apt-get dist-upgrade : in a terminal [17:27] ie... all are kernel upgrades [17:28] scm422: not necessarily,some upgrades might take you from KDE 4.3 to 4.3.1.... just a example though [17:29] scm422: they are called distrubution upgrades.... what they dont do is take you from 9.04 to 9.10 [17:29] should I try and update KDE 4.3 to 4.3.1< [17:29] scm422: i dont see why not [17:30] I was using ubuntu 9.04 and thought I would give Kubuntu a try. Seems a little more complicated [17:31] scm422: the base system is the same,the difference is just the DE [17:32] so then I should be able to do things pretty much the same as when I was using ubuntu? [17:32] scm422: yes,all the commands are the same [17:32] scm422: its just graphically different [17:33] so back to my question. Why is it I am unable to update the kernel? It says its blocked. [17:33] lsusb lists a device attached. how do i figure out what /dev/device to mount? [17:34] scm422: as i said,its a distrubution upgrade not a normal upgrade [17:34] *distribution [17:34] so then there is no way to inable it? [17:35] scm422: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade <<-- In a terminal [17:36] scm422: Regular upgrades don't up the kernel versions. Just dist-upgrade does that [17:37] Shrey_: Congrats on getting your Quassel going :) [17:38] ok I just did the sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and it said 0 found, hmmm? [17:39] scm422: and it shows block upgrades? [17:39] Yes it did however now its asking me to reboot [17:42] sudo apt-get -f install [17:42] shadeslay try sudo apt-get -f install [17:42] in a terminal [17:43] cuznt: ? [17:44] open konsole and type sudo apt-get -f install [17:44] then give your password [17:44] and that should help [17:44] i think you have a broken package or missing dependaNcies [17:46] ok guess that cured that! Thanks Now yet another question? How do I upgrade firefox to 3.5? [17:46] !firefox-3.5 [17:46] Firefox 3.5 Final is available for Jaunty by installing the package firefox-3.5 and firefox-3.5-gnome-support | FF3.5 is referred to as Shiretoko on your UI, see http://is.gd/1reB3 for an explanation | Hardy & Intrepid: http://is.gd/1jkNY [17:47] scm422: ^^ [17:47] ooops and i was talking to the wrong peep [17:47] sorry [17:48] ok so how do I go about upgrading it then? [17:51] can anybody point me to a guide on how to install my old SATA harddrive with windows xp operating system onto my pure kubuntu gateway pc? [17:51] well its not pure kubuntu its ubuntu/kubuntu [17:52] i'd l'iek to have two hdd one with xp one with (k)ubuntu [17:52] anyone? [17:56] !purge [17:56] Sorry, I don't know anything about purge [17:56] blake__: If the new drive gets seen as for instance /dev/sdb then you can add a chainload entry to your /boot/grub/menu.lst for most likely sdb1 [17:57] can i have two different hard drives on my pc, one for ubuntu and one for windows and select which one to boot from ? [17:58] blake__: Some bios support something like "Hit F10 to select boot device" but it sometimes confuses the operating system because the bios will re-order the disks [17:58] so what would happen if i connect my old windows xp hard drive into my pc and it gets seen when i start up my pc? === jonathan__ is now known as Neremor [18:00] hmm [18:00] blake__: If the old drive was previously the master hd when it booted XP, the "Hit F10 to select boot device" would work fine for that, the bios will re-order the drives to make that one look like the primary [18:01] the old drive was from another pc but the mother board are both SATA and both hard drives are the same just the one i have currently installed is pure linux and the old one is windows xp [18:02] blake__: No way to know for sure except by trying it. The different motherboards might map the cyclinders/heads differently [18:03] okay gotcha and whats the worst that could happen? [18:03] (which would make it unbootable no matter where it lay in the drive order) [18:03] Question?....can someone please tell me how to automagicly boot the default kernel...instead of going to the grub menu [18:03]