| mwhudson | oh, i mangled the stacked on url it seems | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| jml | kfogel: so, from 'def prefer_recent_revs', you could instead write | 00:01 |
| kfogel | jml: ok, string extension all fixed | 00:01 |
| jml | s += ''.join(map(str, sorted(self._landings, key=lambda x: x.top_rev.revno))) | 00:01 |
| kfogel | jml: (blank line after class doc strings done) | 00:02 |
| kfogel | reading | 00:02 |
| kfogel | jml: nice | 00:02 |
| jml | kfogel: and that would replace the for loop & function. | 00:02 |
| jml | kfogel: if you prefer named functions (and We generally do, but I don't care), you can split out the lambda | 00:02 |
| jml | kfogel: using 'key' is almost always faster than a cmp-based sort. | 00:02 |
| kfogel | jml: wait, that's not really from prefer_recent_revs, right? | 00:02 |
| kfogel | jml: it's from the outer func | 00:03 |
| kfogel | jml: IOW, def prefer_recent_revs() would just go away | 00:03 |
| jml | kfogel: I meant 'from' as in 'starting at' | 00:04 |
| kfogel | jml: nod | 00:04 |
| jml | kfogel: but yes, you are right. | 00:04 |
| kfogel | jml: hmm, doing that resulted in a difference | 00:05 |
| kfogel | jml: let me investigate | 00:05 |
| kfogel | jml: oh, it reversed the order of the sort | 00:06 |
| kfogel | jml: note the order of a and b in prefer_recent_revs | 00:06 |
| jml | kfogel: ahh, easy enough to add a negate to the key function. | 00:07 |
| kfogel | jml: beautiful | 00:07 |
| jml | unless they are strings | 00:07 |
| jml | in which case, umm... | 00:08 |
| * jml learns Python again | 00:08 | |
| kfogel | jml: they're numbres | 00:08 |
| kfogel | jml: they should be, anyway | 00:08 |
| kfogel | wait | 00:08 |
| kfogel | hmmm | 00:08 |
| kfogel | er | 00:08 |
| jml | sorted(list, key=whatever, reverse=True) | 00:08 |
| jml | that's clearer anyway | 00:08 |
| jml | http://docs.python.org/library/functions.html#sorted | 00:08 |
| kfogel | jml: wow, never knew about reverse=True | 00:08 |
| kfogel | great | 00:09 |
| jml | kfogel: sometimes the stdlib is awesome :) | 00:09 |
| kfogel | jml: now there's no difference | 00:09 |
| jml | cool. | 00:09 |
| kfogel | jml: there's another sort function elsewhere | 00:09 |
| kfogel | I'll see if I can do the same thing. | 00:09 |
| jml | kfogel: when you're done with that can you commit & push the branch so I can take another look. | 00:11 |
| kfogel | jml: sure, one min | 00:11 |
| jml | cheers. | 00:13 |
| mwhudson | jml: in your branch that you sent to me, there are a bunch of XXXed questions in lib/devscripts/tests/test_sourcecode.py | 00:17 |
| mwhudson | jml: i'm sure some of them have answers now | 00:17 |
| mwhudson | (like "can we rely on twisted") | 00:17 |
| mwhudson | jml: can you run through and update them? | 00:17 |
| kfogel | jml: pushed. UI doesn't show all revs yet, but presumably bzr has them. r9384 is latest. | 00:18 |
| kfogel | jml: good advice on trivial bugs, btw (on ml) | 00:20 |
| jml | kfogel: thanks | 00:21 |
| jml | mwhudson, will do. | 00:21 |
| jml | ta :) | 00:21 |
| mwhudson | jml: thanks | 00:21 |
| mwhudson | gosh, i know bash too well | 00:21 |
| * jml is a little bit closer to my second cup of coffee | 00:21 | |
| jml | kfogel: more stylistic stuff coming your way | 00:23 |
| jml | kfogel: # where "{X}" means "LogRevision for X" -- needs two more spaces of indent to align with the comment above | 00:24 |
| jml | and a blank line afterwards to sate the PEP 8 gods' thirst. | 00:24 |
| jml | kfogel: don't align '=', but rather keep one space on either side. | 00:24 |
| jml | kfogel: empty list is written like s = [], not s = [ ] | 00:24 |
| jml | similarly empty dict is {} not { } | 00:25 |
| kfogel | jml: reading | 00:25 |
| jml | kfogel: indentation in get_ex_cons is still 2-space, should be 4-space. | 00:25 |
| sinzui | jml: I started writing a new linter. It uses pep9.py | 00:26 |
| kfogel | jml: ok, correcting, and dang it, I set the py-indent-offset var to 4, what the heck is up with that persistent 2 space then? | 00:26 |
| sinzui | jml: I started writing a new linter. It uses pep8.py | 00:26 |
| jml | sinzui, I actually have pep8.py wired up to my emacs | 00:26 |
| jml | sinzui, you don't think I _remember_ all this crap? :) | 00:26 |
| jml | kfogel: blame barry's non-standard python mode :P | 00:26 |
| sinzui | jml: mine is wired in to gedit. I am announcing the release in two days | 00:26 |
| jml | sinzui, cool. | 00:27 |
| sinzui | jml: I think we should abandon pylint. pyflakes + pep8 is good enough for me | 00:27 |
| jml | kfogel: get_ex_cons could probably be a classmethod, rather than a top-level function | 00:27 |
| kfogel | jml: when you say "don't align '=', you mean for example in ContainerRevision.__str__() ? | 00:27 |
| jml | sinzui, +1 | 00:27 |
| kfogel | jml: (missing " above, sorry) | 00:27 |
| jml | kfogel: exactly so. | 00:27 |
| kfogel | jml: ok, fixing | 00:27 |
| kfogel | jml: but I don't have to like it :-) | 00:28 |
| jml | kfogel: heh heh. | 00:32 |
| jml | kfogel: in LogExCons.__init__, you assign to a local variable to no obvious effect (current_top_level_rev = None). A bug, perhaps? | 00:32 |
| jml | kfogel: page_intro is really wide. Is it possible to wrap it without breaking wiki formatting? | 00:32 |
| jml | kfogel: I dropped out, what was the last thing I said? | 00:33 |
| kfogel | jml: hunh, I made get_ex_cons() a class method, and now it produces an empty page | 00:33 |
| kfogel | one sec | 00:33 |
| kfogel | jml: last thing you said was: | 00:33 |
| kfogel | kfogel: page_intro is really wide. Is it possible to wrap it without breaking wiki formatting? | 00:33 |
| kfogel | jml: sure, I can use "\" at end of line in page_intro, right? | 00:34 |
| jml | kfogel: thanks. | 00:34 |
| jml | nothing got dropped the. | 00:34 |
| kfogel | jml: if a class method is to be used privately only, should I prefix its name with "_" ? | 00:34 |
| jml | kfogel: yes, in general. | 00:35 |
| jml | kfogel: but maybe I was mistaken about the classmethod thing... | 00:35 |
| kfogel | jml: ? no other class uses it, though it is sort of of general utility | 00:36 |
| jml | kfogel: well, if it looks better, do it :) | 00:37 |
| jml | kfogel: I just realized that I misinterpreted its purpose, and advised based on that bad interpretation | 00:37 |
| * jml almost always uses classmethod to make factories for the class. | 00:37 | |
| kfogel | jml: the current_top_level_rev intialization question is a deep philosophical question, actually: do we believe in "init explicitly to an invalid value" or do we believe in "don't init it if the initial value shouldn't matter" ? | 00:38 |
| kfogel | jml: I don't care which the answer is; if it's 2, I'll do 2. | 00:38 |
| kfogel | jml: re the get_ex_cons() thing: I think on balance top-level method feels a bit more right, so I'm going to uncommit that. Not that it's a big deal either way. | 00:39 |
| jml | kfogel: cool. | 00:40 |
| kfogel | jml: how about the init question? | 00:40 |
| jml | kfogel: it's a post-2nd-coffee question. | 00:41 |
| kfogel | jml: there I have consulted with dusty tomes in Greek and Latin, and still find no certain answer. I rely on your wisdom. | 00:41 |
| jml | kfogel: I tend to prefer instantiating actual honest-to-goodness objects. | 00:41 |
| kfogel | jml: mmm, good point -- the initialization misleads as to the expected type | 00:42 |
| kfogel | jml: but I don't have an object yet | 00:42 |
| jml | sec. | 00:43 |
| * kfogel waits for the caffeine to reach jml's capillaries | 00:43 | |
| jml | kfogel: this is how I would do the string building stuff: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/268841/ | 00:44 |
| * jml now turns to current_top_level_rev... | 00:44 | |
| jml | kfogel: ahh, right. | 00:45 |
| jml | kfogel: set it to None. | 00:45 |
| kfogel | jml: thx, I didn't know about string.extend() | 00:45 |
| jml | kfogel: it's list.extend | 00:45 |
| jml | kfogel: what it's doing is building a list of lines. | 00:45 |
| kfogel | d'oh, sorry | 00:45 |
| jml | kfogel: and then joining those lines together with '\n' as a separator. | 00:46 |
| kfogel | jml: I think I'm going to rename that var from "s" so as not to confuse anymore | 00:46 |
| kfogel | jml: one sec while I make everyone do that | 00:46 |
| kfogel | jml: (I think it's worth it; good habits now == easier reviews later) | 00:46 |
| jml | kfogel: maybe even to something that actually means something about the problem domain? :) | 00:46 |
| jml | kfogel: ok, while you do that, I'll make a coffee. :) | 00:46 |
| kfogel | jml: fwiw, my natural emacs indentation does not put the first " four spaces after the column of the [ above it, in this new list/string universe. | 00:47 |
| kfogel | sorry | 00:48 |
| kfogel | I mean | 00:48 |
| kfogel | it does not put it right under the [, but instead under the = | 00:48 |
| kfogel | I wonder if that is due to some indentation var still set to 2 | 00:48 |
| * kfogel looks | 00:48 | |
| kfogel | yup | 00:48 |
| kfogel | py-indent-offset got reset to 2 | 00:48 |
| kfogel | dunno what's up with that; I'm just going to fix it in the vars line for the file | 00:48 |
| kfogel | (and deal with my .emacs later -- it has to be compatible with many projects, not just lp) | 00:49 |
| jml | kfogel: emacs should be better at per-project configuration | 00:55 |
| jml | kfogel: ok, so... where are we. | 00:55 |
| kfogel | jml: I'm still transforming the list/string stuff | 00:55 |
| kfogel | jml: interesting; when I have only one elt, I can still use .extend() | 00:56 |
| jml | kfogel: yeah. it's just joining one list onto the end of another | 00:58 |
| kfogel | jml: yeah, just interesting that it will also join an elt -- i.e., won't create a terminal cdr, as (some) lisps might. | 00:58 |
| barry | bac: done to 10 failures | 00:59 |
| jml | kfogel: can you give an example? | 00:59 |
| mwhudson | kfogel: python lists are lisp vectors, not lisp lists | 01:00 |
| kfogel | mwhudson: thx | 01:00 |
| mwhudson | (gosh, brain fade, lisp does call 1-d arrays vectors, right?) | 01:00 |
| kfogel | mwhudson: I think so | 01:00 |
| jml | kfogel: btw, you should have your name and the date in XXX comments | 01:04 |
| kfogel | jml: "XXX: Karl Fogel 2009-09-10: ..." ? | 01:05 |
| kfogel | jml: (trying to make you a lisp example, but it's back-burner) | 01:05 |
| jml | kfogel: yeah. thanks. | 01:05 |
| jml | I guess you are supposed to use WikiName... | 01:05 |
| kfogel | jml: really? | 01:05 |
| kfogel | jml: ok | 01:06 |
| jml | but I couldn't possibly force someone else to do that, given I dislike it and there's no actual reason. | 01:06 |
| kfogel | jml: ok :-) | 01:06 |
| kfogel | jml: anything else? | 01:07 |
| kfogel | jml: branch pushed again, to r9388 | 01:07 |
| jml | kfogel: alpha-sort imports, blank line between stdlib imports and bzr imports. barry has an elisp thingy to do this for you on EmacsTips | 01:08 |
| barry | kfogel: if you grab the latest python-mode.el, C-c C-f is bound to py-sort-imports | 01:09 |
| kfogel | barry: it only works on multiline imports | 01:11 |
| jml | :( | 01:11 |
| kfogel | barry: gets an "unbalanced parentheses" error for me | 01:11 |
| kfogel | same from EmacsTips | 01:11 |
| kfogel | jml: is this right: | 01:11 |
| kfogel | import getopt | 01:11 |
| kfogel | import re | 01:11 |
| kfogel | import sys | 01:11 |
| kfogel | from bzrlib.branch import Branch | 01:11 |
| kfogel | from bzrlib import log | 01:11 |
| kfogel | from bzrlib.osutils import format_date | 01:11 |
| barry | kfogel: yeah, it looks for names inside parens | 01:11 |
| kfogel | or should bzrlib be first? | 01:11 |
| * mwhudson still needs to write something/figure out how to drive ropemacs to do the import statements automatically | 01:12 | |
| jml | kfogel: bzrlib first | 01:12 |
| kfogel | and sorted within that? | 01:12 |
| jml | mwhudson, please please please. | 01:12 |
| jml | kfogel: I don't understand. | 01:12 |
| kfogel | jml: I can think about about three different ways that might be Right. | 01:12 |
| kfogel | want to just paste what the right way is? | 01:12 |
| mwhudson | jml: after filtering those questions, can you commit and push? | 01:12 |
| jml | yeah, ok. | 01:12 |
| jml | mwhudson, yes, I will. | 01:12 |
| mwhudson | thank you | 01:13 |
| kfogel | jml: there are 3 bzrlib lines; what order should they be in? (granted that they come before the other imports) | 01:13 |
| jml | mwhudson, this review is consuming all of my mental bandwidth right now | 01:13 |
| kfogel | mwhudson: he's mine, don't touch him | 01:13 |
| mwhudson | jml: ok | 01:13 |
| jml | the slowness and unreliability of my internet connection is not helping... | 01:14 |
| jml | kfogel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/268852/ | 01:15 |
| kfogel | jml: thx | 01:15 |
| jml | kfogel: don't use has_key | 01:16 |
| kfogel | jml: committed and pushed (r9389) | 01:16 |
| kfogel | dang it :-) | 01:16 |
| kfogel | jml: ok | 01:16 |
| jml | you want... umm... | 01:16 |
| kfogel | jml: 'in' ? | 01:17 |
| kfogel | jml: btw, why not use has_key() | 01:17 |
| kfogel | ? | 01:17 |
| jml | ec = all_ex_cons.get(a, None) | 01:17 |
| kfogel | jml: ok, wait a sec | 01:17 |
| kfogel | How is that better? | 01:17 |
| kfogel | IMHO it's worse, in terms of communicating what we're doing there. | 01:17 |
| jml | if ec is None:\n ec = ExCon(a); all_ex_cons[a] = ec | 01:17 |
| jml | well, you can do the if a in all_ex_cons | 01:17 |
| jml | has_key is deprecated, and won't be in future versions of python | 01:18 |
| kfogel | ah | 01:18 |
| jml | either use 'get' or 'in'. | 01:18 |
| jml | I tend to lean to leap-before-you-look (hence the get), but both are appropriate here. | 01:19 |
| kfogel | jml: I'll wait for moer comments before pushing again | 01:19 |
| kfogel | (or for EOT) | 01:19 |
| jml | kfogel: last thing | 01:20 |
| kfogel | ? | 01:20 |
| jml | kfogel: dict colon alignment is kind of like = alignment | 01:20 |
| kfogel | ah | 01:20 |
| jml | kfogel: {a: b, c: d, ...} | 01:20 |
| kfogel | jml: in main(), right? | 01:21 |
| kfogel | jml: any other places? | 01:21 |
| jml | kfogel: no, just main | 01:22 |
| kfogel | jml: pushed to r9391 | 01:22 |
| jml | kfogel: thanks. | 01:22 |
| jml | kfogel: please merge it. | 01:23 |
| kfogel | jml: thank you for the thorough review | 01:23 |
| jml | kfogel: np. | 01:23 |
| jml | kfogel: are we going to have that phone call? | 01:24 |
| kfogel | jml: bzr pqm-submit -m "[r=jml][ui=none] Add utilities/community-contributions.py script, for updating https://dev.launchpad.net/Contributions." | 01:25 |
| kfogel | ? | 01:25 |
| kfogel | jml: on second thought, leaving out the latter half, as the script already says that. | 01:25 |
| kfogel | (and if it ever changes, the script will change) | 01:25 |
| jml | heh | 01:26 |
| jml | sure. | 01:26 |
| kfogel | jml: submitted! | 01:29 |
| kfogel | jml: are you seeing my priv msgs? | 01:33 |
| jml | sorry | 01:34 |
| jml | I have dodgy internet | 01:34 |
| kfogel | np | 01:36 |
| kfogel | intellectronica: hey, what's diff btw a welcome msg and a topic? | 01:56 |
| intellectronica | kfogel: a welcome message is sent to you once and can have more than one line | 01:58 |
| intellectronica | i don't remember seeing them on freenode, though, so maybe you can't use them | 01:58 |
| kfogel | intellectronica: well, it's important that the msg be re-gettable anyway, which /topic is | 01:58 |
| kfogel | intellectronica: so i think maybe topic is better anyway? | 01:58 |
| kfogel | intellectronica: I type "/topic" all the time in here, and in other channels. | 01:59 |
| kfogel | intellectronica: (I mean to read the topic, not to change it) | 01:59 |
| intellectronica | kfogel: fair enough. i don't rely on it as much, but that's hardly statistically significant | 02:00 |
| kfogel | intellectronica: my use is not be statistically significant either; so hard to get real data, unless Freenode chooses to share with us :-). | 02:00 |
| intellectronica | indeed | 02:04 |
| intellectronica | anyway... | 02:05 |
| * intellectronica goes to dream in ascii art | 02:05 | |
| * jml more coffee & more toast, then mwh-related branches. | 02:09 | |
| * mwhudson lunches | 02:10 | |
| jml | fwiw, my internet connection today is really crappy, so please forgive my occasional lapses. | 02:22 |
| jml | mwhudson, I've filtered those questions. | 02:26 |
| mwhudson | jml: thanks | 02:38 |
| jml | mwhudson, you aren't in #launchpad-reviews, I take it. | 02:44 |
| === abentley1 is now known as abentley | ||
| jml | internet hates me | 05:37 |
| jml | x hates me | 05:37 |
| jtv | jml: we don't hate you though | 05:38 |
| jtv | (Insert your favorite snide follow-up here) | 05:39 |
| jml | it's entirely possible that firefox hates me most of all | 05:40 |
| jtv | wouldn't put it past it | 05:40 |
| jtv | jml: is it perhaps time to get to the root cause of all this hatred? | 05:41 |
| jtv | face it, with all the variables, the only constant is you. | 05:41 |
| * jml bravely launches firefox again | 06:03 | |
| jml | mwhudson, hi | 06:28 |
| mwhudson | jml: hello | 06:28 |
| jml | mwhudson, I've pushed up my changes to that branch | 06:28 |
| * mwhudson tests his ec2test-hackery branch on itself | 06:28 | |
| jml | mwhudson, how have things gone with you? | 06:28 |
| jml | (sorry, it's been a very distracty day) | 06:29 |
| mwhudson | jml: i have moved some code around in ec2test | 06:29 |
| mwhudson | jml: yeah, no worries | 06:29 |
| jml | mwhudson, yay | 06:29 |
| jml | I guess I'll resubmit the mp or something | 06:29 |
| mwhudson | jml: specifically, the connect_as_user methods now return something rather than mutating instance state | 06:29 |
| mwhudson | jml: and the code to make a unix user is on instance now | 06:29 |
| jml | soooo happy | 06:30 |
| mwhudson | yeah, it's very much an improvement | 06:30 |
| mwhudson | oh heavens | 06:30 |
| jml | mwhudson, I really wanted to do that, but couldn't quite see how, at the time. | 06:30 |
| jml | mwhudson, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jml/launchpad/better-sourcecode-update/+merge/11580 | 06:30 |
| * jml also wants to review all of maxb's recent branches. | 06:31 | |
| jml | oh man. | 06:31 |
| jml | and my computer crashed / hanged before I could submit that other one, I think. | 06:31 |
| mwhudson | jml: boto seems to import hashlib | 06:32 |
| jml | mwhudson, why is this a problem? | 06:32 |
| mwhudson | jml: does ec2test work with python 2.4 at all? | 06:32 |
| jml | mwhudson, yeah, I think so. | 06:33 |
| jml | but maybe I'm wrong | 06:33 |
| * jml files https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-foundations/+bug/427703 | 06:35 | |
| ubot3 | Malone bug 427703 in launchpad-foundations "Way to see which branches I'm testing with ec2test right now" [Undecided,New] | 06:35 |
| jml | ok | 06:48 |
| jml | let's see if my computer will stay up long enough for this to work. | 06:49 |
| jml | the ohloh import is up to phase 3! | 07:06 |
| jml | Step 3 of 3: Counting lines of source code (Running 4875/66451) | 07:06 |
| mwhudson | jml: cool | 07:09 |
| jml | mwhudson, were you planning on reviewing the better-sourcecode-update branch today? | 07:31 |
| jml | didrocks, wuuu. | 07:31 |
| didrocks | :) | 07:31 |
| didrocks | ok, I'm trying to checkout it in intrepid | 07:31 |
| jml | didrocks, the secret page is https://dev.launchpad.net/Getting | 07:32 |
| jml | didrocks, getting a Launchpad dev environment up and running is not as easy as it should be. | 07:32 |
| didrocks | yes, I already read this "secret" page :) | 07:32 |
| didrocks | ok, trying it right now | 07:32 |
| mwhudson | jml: yeah, i'll try | 07:32 |
| jml | mwhudson, cool. thanks. | 07:33 |
| didrocks | ok, bzr doesn't know the format, let me have a look at the bzr ppa for intrepid | 07:33 |
| mwhudson | jml: done | 07:38 |
| jml | mwhudson, hanks. | 07:39 |
| didrocks | jml: Hum, it will definitevely broke my intrepid server if I accept a "Score is -9863" :) | 07:40 |
| didrocks | jml: Well, I will be able to do it from home, can you drop me some instructions so that I can start on it? | 07:40 |
| jml | didrocks, ok. that sucks. | 07:41 |
| jml | didrocks, sure. have you filed a bug for it yet? | 07:41 |
| didrocks | no, I'm doing it right now | 07:41 |
| didrocks | jml: against launchpadlib, right? | 07:41 |
| jml | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+bug/389872 | 07:41 |
| ubot3 | Malone bug 389872 in launchpad-registry "GPG keys not exposed in API" [Low,Triaged] | 07:41 |
| didrocks | ok, it already exist, great :) | 07:42 |
| jml | didrocks, I'll make some comments there. | 07:42 |
| didrocks | jml: thanks, and I try to assign it to myself :) | 07:42 |
| jml | :) | 07:42 |
| jml | didrocks, done | 07:59 |
| didrocks | jml: yes, I'm assigning the bug to myself. I hope it will be a little more clear when seeing the code. Thanks :) | 08:02 |
| jml | didrocks, np. | 08:02 |
| jml | didrocks, good luck! | 08:02 |
| didrocks | jml: thanks! I will certainly ping you :) | 08:02 |
| jml | didrocks, note that I'm in Australia for the next week and a bit, so you may find timezones to be a problem. | 08:03 |
| jml | didrocks, people in this channel will gladly help you though, if I'm not around. | 08:03 |
| didrocks | jml: ok, I'll just ask here. Enjoy Australia :) | 08:04 |
| * mwhudson eods | 08:15 | |
| jml | mwhudson, have a good weekend. | 08:16 |
| mwhudson | jml: well i'm working tomorrow... | 08:16 |
| jml | mwhudson, oops | 08:16 |
| jml | mwhudson, have a good evening then :) | 08:16 |
| mwhudson | (swap day for later in the year, so i'm not that upset about it...) | 08:18 |
| adeuring | good morning | 08:32 |
| xaver | hi i have trouble with launchpad repo. the download start with 900-1200 kb/s and slow down to 1000-3000 B/s | 09:19 |
| xaver | hi | 09:19 |
| mrevell | Guten morgen | 09:20 |
| xaver | i have trouble with launchpad repo. the download start with 900-1200 kb/s and slow down to 1000-3000 B/s (kann auch deutsch schreiben) | 09:20 |
| xaver | ^^ | 09:20 |
| mrevell | xaver: Sorry, that's the limit of my German :) What are you downloading? Launchpad itself or something from a PPA? | 09:22 |
| xaver | ppa | 09:22 |
| xaver | i have no idear why | 09:22 |
| xaver | at home everything run fine | 09:23 |
| noodles775 | xaver: kommisch - ist es genau so für anderer PPAs? | 09:24 |
| xaver | is nur bei ppa -> andere sidn kein problem nur die paketquelle | 09:24 |
| xaver | nervig ist es bei großen files, keline da starte ich neu und shcon sind die da aber 30 mb aufwärts ist es müll | 09:25 |
| jml | mrevell hello :) | 09:25 |
| mrevell | hi jml | 09:26 |
| xaver | hi | 09:26 |
| noodles775 | xaver: hmm.. Ich habe kein problem - Ich hab jetzt ein update gemacht mit 3 ppas. | 09:28 |
| xaver | is immer also nicht nur heute | 09:28 |
| xaver | zuhause läuft es | 09:28 |
| xaver | nur hier... | 09:28 |
| noodles775 | bigjools: any idea why ppa's specifically would always slow down for xaver? | 09:28 |
| bigjools | local networking issues | 09:29 |
| noodles775 | xaver: ah, so it's probably a network issue specifically ... | 09:29 |
| noodles775 | Yes, sounds like it, if it's specific to one location. | 09:29 |
| xaver | ok thx | 09:29 |
| noodles775 | np. | 09:29 |
| xaver | wir hängen direkt am RZ ;) | 09:29 |
| bigjools | is there a proxy in the way? | 09:29 |
| bigjools | etc. | 09:29 |
| xaver | no | 09:32 |
| xaver | we a direct likned ion the data center | 09:32 |
| xaver | on | 09:32 |
| xaver | frist 20 mb run with 900-1200kbs | 09:32 |
| xaver | next second down to 1000 b/s | 09:33 |
| xaver | another question, i pack a lot of packages at home, is a good docu how i can help with packages for launchpad.... -> problem at home is my connetion very bad, but now i can upload it at work | 09:35 |
| noodles775 | xaver: help with packages for Ubuntu? http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newdev or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | 09:37 |
| xaver | is in linux a programm for M$ exchange 2007 beside from evolution mail | 09:47 |
| xaver | bye reboot ;) | 09:59 |
| wgrant | noodles775: Nice new archive views. | 10:11 |
| noodles775 | wgrant: thanks! There are still a few changes to land - but it was in a landable state. | 10:12 |
| noodles775 | wgrant: cprov is getting ready to land a simplified "Adding this PPA to your system" portlet which will mean the sources.list details are folded by default. | 10:12 |
| wgrant | noodles775: Great! | 10:12 |
| wgrant | noodles775: The multiple <dd>s in sequence on +packages look, IMO, much better if the non-final ones have a 'margin-bottom: 0' added. | 10:13 |
| wgrant | noodles775: Otherwise there are awkward gaps. | 10:13 |
| noodles775 | wgrant: hmm... I can't see the awkward gap... do you mean, for example, between the last dd under 'Number of packages' and the 'repository size' dt? | 10:16 |
| wgrant | noodles775: The package filter on +index is set to the right distroseries by default, but the table contains packages for all seires. Is that known? | 10:16 |
| wgrant | noodles775: Between the binary and source counts/sizes is the main one. | 10:16 |
| wgrant | There's as much of a gap between those two and between the last and the following heading. | 10:17 |
| maxb | woo. I just got my first ec2test email :-) | 10:17 |
| * wgrant eats. | 10:18 | |
| noodles775 | wgrant: nope, first bug - (actually for me the package filter is *not* being set to the correct default even though the sources.list is... :/) | 10:20 |
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| danilos | jtv: hey, around? | 10:48 |
| wgrant | noodles775: You're right about it not being set by default. Firefox was just doing bad cachy things. | 11:03 |
| noodles775 | OK, I'll fix that today. | 11:04 |
| wgrant | Who is behind the new DSPR index? | 11:09 |
| noodles775 | wgrant: bigjools initially, but I think cprov-afk ended up implementing it? | 11:10 |
| wgrant | noodles775: I see. | 11:10 |
| bigjools | mostly cprov in fact, the original mockup was discarded since we decided it was no good | 11:11 |
| wgrant | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/2.27.92-1ubuntu1 | 11:11 |
| wgrant | The '(New)' there looks very strange and it's somewhat unobvious what it means. | 11:11 |
| wgrant | maxb: Aha! Your branch was merged. Very nice. | 11:13 |
| jtv | Hmm... why is "bzr push" transferring a hundred MB again? | 11:25 |
| maxb | wgrant: 1 of 6 :-) | 11:26 |
| maxb | no, 2 of 6 :-) | 11:27 |
| * wgrant prepares the second part of PPA download counts. | 11:28 | |
| noodles775 | wgrant: great! I've left space in the PPA stats portlet for that exact reason :) | 11:28 |
| bigjools | ha | 11:28 |
| noodles775 | danilos: did you have an issue where the last object of a traversal was being traversed but not being added to request.traversed_objects? If so, can you tell me more? | 11:29 |
| danilos | noodles775: yes | 11:30 |
| danilos | noodles775: you just need to provide an empty Navigation implementation for your interface; see the branch you reviewed (DistroSeriesLanguage adds navigation and registers it with browser:navigation) | 11:30 |
| noodles775 | danilos: great, thanks! | 11:31 |
| danilos | noodles775: salgado has a bug about it (i.e. wants to fix it so we don't have to introduce empty, silly, navigation implementations), but I forgot the number :) | 11:31 |
| noodles775 | danilos: np - I'm unstuck now so I'm happy :) | 11:32 |
| danilos | noodles775: heh, you should be, I spent entire day trying to figure that out (it was a public holiday in Brazil :) | 11:32 |
| noodles775 | danilos: yeah, I just spent 45mins looking at it, and mentioned it to bigjools who remembered you'd had that issue - yay (I didn't take in the comment in the MP). | 11:33 |
| bigjools | for once I actually remembered something | 11:33 |
| noodles775 | ;) | 11:34 |
| danilos | bigjools: good job, here's a candy! :P | 11:34 |
| * bigjools licks danilo's lollipop | 11:34 | |
| * jtv tries to forget what he just read | 11:41 | |
| mrevell | Launchpad community meet-up in London on the 28th Sept: http://blog.launchpad.net/general/launchpad-meet-up-28th-september-the-warwick-london | 12:01 |
| bigjools | mrevell: we should offer a pint to anyone who turns up! | 12:14 |
| mrevell | bigjools: heh, maxb would get a pint in that case :) | 12:15 |
| bigjools | mrevell: I think I'm taking my bike down on the train this time. Walking to and from county hall was a PITA | 12:16 |
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| bigjools | mrevell: btw, I really think the location should be in the pub opposite the Warwick | 12:26 |
| intellectronica | pretty much anywhere will be better than the warwick | 12:29 |
| intellectronica | sorry, didn't mean to be bitchy. it's about the company, not the location | 12:29 |
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| jtv | gah... why did stacking stop working in my rf!? | 17:23 |
| jtv | Far as I can tell, everything is in 2a. But: | 17:25 |
| jtv | Source branch format does not support stacking, using format: | 17:25 |
| jtv | Branch format 7 | 17:25 |
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| jtv | danilos: I don't think I can land that test fix for you. For some reason some branches will push and some won't. :( | 17:27 |
| jtv | ah, and as soon as I said that, this one suddenly came through... Let's see if PQM still thinks it's a "different VCSystem." | 17:28 |
| intellectronica | barry: i've got a lovely patch for you to review. removals only | 17:35 |
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| mrevell | I'm off for the weekend, byeeeee | 17:48 |
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| jtv-afk | bye mrevell! | 17:48 |
| intellectronica | have a loveleee weekend everyone | 18:05 |
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| salgado | rockstar, how can we get diffs for merge proposals on launchpadlib branches? (https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gary/launchpadlib/lp-dev-utils/+merge/11607) | 19:36 |
| gary_poster | salgado: I think edge updates are broken. I asked losas about it. | 19:36 |
| salgado | gary_poster, I don't understand what's the relation between these. do you mean that the script which generates diffs on edge is not running? | 19:39 |
| gary_poster | salgado: yeah, that's my guess | 19:39 |
| rockstar | salgado, I'm not sure what you mean. | 19:39 |
| * rockstar thinks gary_poster might be telling lies | 19:40 | |
| gary_poster | rockstar: unintentionally :-) | 19:40 |
| rockstar | gary_poster, that's a given. :) | 19:40 |
| salgado | rockstar, I was thinking that the script were only configured to generate diffs for launchpad branches. should it generate diffs for any branches? | 19:41 |
| gary_poster | rockstar: :-) what salgado is asking about is that my MP has been sitting around for over two hours, and I still don't have a diff. Similarly... | 19:41 |
| rockstar | salgado, if you're talking about moving diffs, abentley and I are talking about an oops on edge that may be caused by trying to get these moving diffs generated. | 19:41 |
| gary_poster | oh, no, my "similarly" example is now ok | 19:41 |
| rockstar | gary_poster, ah, okay, that's unrelated to what we're talking about then. | 19:41 |
| gary_poster | well, I should say, "oh, yes! my "similarly" example is ok now!" | 19:42 |
| gary_poster | but anyway, rockstar, should that page have a diff? If not, does it indicate that something is not running somewhere, maybe? (That was my suspicion given the recent troubles) | 19:43 |
| rockstar | gary_poster, are the branches actually different? | 19:43 |
| gary_poster | rockstar: yeah, added a buncha files | 19:43 |
| gary_poster | rockstar: maybe adds are not noticed? | 19:43 |
| * gary_poster doublechecks he has not done something stupid... | 19:44 | |
| abentley | gary_poster: The diff is not being generated because the branches are not different. | 19:45 |
| gary_poster | I also moved a directory | 19:45 |
| gary_poster | I just tried repushing | 19:45 |
| abentley | gary_poster: Sorry, typo on my part. | 19:45 |
| gary_poster | oh? | 19:45 |
| abentley | gary_poster: I mistyped the command to determine whether the branches were different. | 19:46 |
| gary_poster | gotcha | 19:46 |
| rockstar | abentley, https://launchpad.net/bugs/427383 | 19:51 |
| mup | Bug #427383: ValueError: No JSON object could be decoded in merge through the API <api> <oops> <Launchpad Bazaar Integration:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/427383> | 19:51 |
| ubot3 | Malone bug 427383 in launchpad-code "ValueError: No JSON object could be decoded in merge through the API" [Medium,Triaged] | 19:51 |
| mup | Bug #427383: ValueError: No JSON object could be decoded in merge through the API <api> <oops> <Launchpad Bazaar Integration:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/427383> | 19:51 |
| rockstar | Can we get an admin to kick ubot3? | 19:52 |
| maxb | ubot3 has been kicked before and has come back. To get rid of it permanently, ask #ubuntu-bots | 20:58 |
| ubot3 | maxb: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 20:58 |
| maxb | ubot3 owner | 20:58 |
| ubot3 | This bot is owned by jussi01 - Questions about ubottu should be asked in #ubuntu-bots | 20:58 |
| abentley | rockstar: I updated bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/codeimport_api and it seems to be failing differently now: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/269372/ | 21:15 |
| rockstar | abentley, contents of the test? | 21:18 |
| rockstar | abentley, actually, I'll take a look at it, and send the email to the list. | 21:18 |
| abentley | rockstar: You mean text of the test file? | 21:18 |
| rockstar | abentley, I meant the text, but don't worry about it. I'll do some sleuthing, and if I get stuck like last time, I'll email to the list. | 21:19 |
| abentley | rockstar: No point sending mail to the list if this is a trivial problem. | 21:19 |
| rockstar | abentley, yeah, I'm not sure what's going on. If it isn't a trivial problem, than I'll deal with it. You're running out of core hours. | 21:19 |
| abentley | rockstar: Cool. | 21:20 |
| rockstar | abentley, also, I'm having a hard time finding the diffstat field in the database. | 21:21 |
| abentley | rockstar: Are you looking at the Diff table? | 21:21 |
| rockstar | abentley, no, I didn't know there was a Diff table. Looking now. | 21:21 |
| rockstar | abentley, thanks. | 21:22 |
| abentley | rockstar: np | 21:22 |
| mwhudson | good morning | 21:27 |
| abentley | mwhudson: good morning. Forgot you were around today. | 21:33 |
| abentley | mwhudson: Was about to invite rockstar to stand-up. | 21:34 |
| Fly-Man- | And another one bites the dust .... | 21:39 |
| Fly-Man- | What is happening with GIT imports these days ? | 21:39 |
| didrocks | Hey guys, I'm trying to checkout LP on mmy updated karmic, but I have an issue: http://paste.ubuntu.com/269385/ | 21:40 |
| rockstar | abentley, let's stand then. | 21:41 |
| abentley | mwhudson: skype? | 21:41 |
| rockstar | abentley, I couldn't hear you. | 21:45 |
| abentley | rockstar: So I heard. | 21:45 |
| mwhudson | abentley, rockstar: few minutes, i'm still eating toast? | 21:46 |
| rockstar | abentley, hm, try again. We can chat before mwhudson can join. | 21:47 |
| salgado | sinzui, thanks a lot for the help in converting person-index | 21:49 |
| sinzui | salgado: send me the review if you do not want to break it up | 21:50 |
| salgado | sinzui, ok | 21:51 |
| salgado | sinzui, I think the email addresses in contact-details should have a whole row for itself | 21:52 |
| salgado | quite often people have email addresses that are too long for the space we have there, and they will overlap with the time zone there | 21:52 |
| sinzui | salgado: Maybe, it was until I tried putting timezone there | 21:52 |
| sinzui | salgado: if the address is long, timezone should fall below it. The overlap was cause by the odd contact markup that I put on the side | 21:53 |
| * sinzui now doubt what he said is true | 21:53 | |
| salgado | and I'm thinking it might be a good idea to move the openid right below the email addresses, as it's only shown when the user is looking at their own page | 21:53 |
| salgado | let me test it | 21:54 |
| sinzui | oh, yes. I prefer that too | 21:54 |
| mwhudson | abentley, rockstar: invite me now? | 21:55 |
| mwhudson | i am online, whatever skype says | 21:56 |
| didrocks | well, reading the mailing-list, I tried to execute make schema && make, without success, unfortunately: http://paste.ubuntu.com/269395/ :/ | 21:56 |
| salgado | sinzui, indeed, the timezone doesn't fall below emails when they're too long | 21:56 |
| sinzui | salgado: So I must have been sniffing glue for lunch. Oh well. Move it to where you like, or drop it since it is on the map already | 21:57 |
| salgado | sinzui, I'll move it inside the two-column div, together with the rest of the stuff there | 21:58 |
| salgado | the problem really is with the email address thing, that needs the whole row for itself | 21:58 |
| sinzui | irc is just as long | 21:59 |
| salgado | but irc, as rendered there, can be broken into multiple lines | 22:00 |
| salgado | sinzui, should all of our "see-all" links not have the 'Show' bit in their text anymore? | 22:00 |
| sinzui | No, I had to remove them from a lot of portlets last week per beuno and kiko | 22:01 |
| sinzui | salgado: you might fix bug 386163 by accident | 22:02 |
| ubot3 | Malone bug 386163 in launchpad-registry "Inconsistencies in contact detail labels on person page" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/386163 | 22:02 |
| mup | Bug #386163: Inconsistencies in contact detail labels on person page <Launchpad Registry:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/386163> | 22:02 |
| mup | Bug #386163: Inconsistencies in contact detail labels on person page <Launchpad Registry:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/386163> | 22:02 |
| mup | Bug #386163: Inconsistencies in contact detail labels on person page <Launchpad Registry:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/386163> | 22:02 |
| salgado | sinzui, not really by accident, but I will | 22:04 |
| sinzui | I see edwin fixed the irc form by accident. I'll assign it for him to close | 22:05 |
| salgado | sinzui, jabberids will have the same problem, but this only happens when they don't have any character (e.g. a dash) that the browser considers when breaking words | 22:14 |
| salgado | maybe what we need is to output our email addresses using user-part<wbr>@host.domain? | 22:15 |
| sinzui | Maybe we should consider somethi....yes | 22:15 |
| * sinzui cannot remember the name of the formatter | 22:16 | |
| salgado | oh, a formatter? | 22:16 |
| barry | sinzui: ping | 22:16 |
| sinzui | salgado: yes there is something in tales that makes long lines wrap | 22:16 |
| salgado | break_long_words! | 22:16 |
| sinzui | hi barry | 22:16 |
| barry | sinzui: hi. let's talk base-layout.txt | 22:17 |
| sinzui | okay | 22:17 |
| barry | is there anything we can do other than print huge gobs of html? it's just so fragile and very difficult to strip down the output | 22:18 |
| sinzui | how to you propose we verify each element that it is required to output? | 22:18 |
| rockstar | abentley, upon further inspection, it looks like that's a launchpadlib error. | 22:18 |
| rockstar | Like it's an error in marshalling an object to rest. | 22:19 |
| barry | sinzui: well, let's think about it. i guess we don't have id's for the really essential bits do we? and if not, should we? | 22:19 |
| barry | i have nothing against adding ids for testing purposes | 22:19 |
| barry | (we do that a lot) | 22:19 |
| sinzui | barry: in the case of base layout, we are relying on it to make sane pages. so ids are not relevant | 22:19 |
| barry | sinzui: ids for testing purposes could make sense though | 22:20 |
| sinzui | good luck putting an id in a comment | 22:20 |
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| barry | sinzui: so then. we does base-layout.txt give us that other page tests don't give us indirectly? | 22:21 |
| sinzui | barry: ids, will get you most of the way. You need to put parse <html> to get the whole doc | 22:21 |
| rockstar | mwhudson, could you look at https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1348EA292 for me? | 22:21 |
| rockstar | mwhudson, I just need a hypothesis sanity check. | 22:21 |
| sinzui | barry: ? title, scripts, styles, meta, body with classes, headers, footers, diagnostics | 22:22 |
| mwhudson | rockstar: ok | 22:22 |
| sinzui | barry: No test other than base layout verifies those, nor should they | 22:22 |
| mwhudson | rockstar: simplejson.loads('') explodes like this, btw... | 22:22 |
| barry | sinzui: indirectly some of them are tested, e.g. titles | 22:22 |
| barry | sinzui: i'm not saying that's good, i'm just trying to boil this test down to essentials | 22:23 |
| barry | sinzui: as a doctest, you gotta admit, it's not readable :) | 22:23 |
| rockstar | mwhudson, yea, it's obvious there's a JSON issue here. I feel like this might actually be lazr.restful not handling the blank correctly. | 22:23 |
| sinzui | barry: I direct is not good enough in this case. that test is painful because base-layout is that important. add ids if you wish, and use BS to parse <html> you still need to verify doctype and comments | 22:24 |
| sinzui | barry: I do not agree, because diagnosing failures in the macros was not possible without the test. You can improve the test, but I think you made changes without that test, and that is a big no no | 22:25 |
| barry | sinzui: well, one simple way to fix this would be to just blow away the view.render() output and paste in whatever the template outputs now. but i wouldn't say that's a good solution. otoh, it's not clear to me it's any worse that what it's doing now | 22:25 |
| sinzui | barry: you proposed ids, I said fine, why are you backtrackin? | 22:26 |
| barry | i'm not. i'm looking for options | 22:26 |
| mwhudson | rockstar: hmm | 22:27 |
| sinzui | I think ids are best because we do not really care about the element, except for title. In all other cases, I think we care about the atts (class, src, href, style) so... | 22:28 |
| barry | ok. i agree, let's go with ids | 22:28 |
| barry | thanks | 22:28 |
| sinzui | barry: | 22:29 |
| sinzui | >>> print find_tag_by_id(page, 'body-tag')['class'] | 22:29 |
| sinzui | budy overview ponies | 22:29 |
| barry | yes, that's the idea | 22:29 |
| sinzui | barry: I think the end comment is testing using a split, so that test will continue to work | 22:30 |
| sinzui | barry: the doctype could be tested as a split on <html | 22:31 |
| rockstar | mwhudson, got time for a quick pre-imp call? | 22:31 |
| barry | sinzui: i'm not too worried about the doctype because ellipsis can ignore everything following. ellipsis work less well the farther deep you go in the output | 22:32 |
| mwhudson | rockstar: i will have after i've refilled my coffee cup, one sec | 22:32 |
| barry | sinzui: is it really that important to test end comments? | 22:32 |
| rockstar | mwhudson, that's fine. I need you caffeinated anyway. | 22:32 |
| sinzui | barry: yes, for the diagnostics at the end of the page | 22:33 |
| barry | sinzui: oh yes, those, but the <!-- yui-d0 --> comments? or maybe i misunderstood what you meant | 22:34 |
| sinzui | barry: and as you might guess from the the use of | 22:35 |
| sinzui | >>> print content[content.index('</html>') + 7:] | 22:35 |
| sinzui | I was desperate to isolate the one part I needed to fix at a late hour | 22:35 |
| mwhudson | rockstar: ok | 22:35 |
| barry | sinzui: yep | 22:35 |
| sinzui | barry: If you are using BS you wont care because you can test containership | 22:35 |
| rockstar | mwhudson, "User Not Found" | 22:35 |
| barry | sinzui: right, that's what i think we really care about | 22:36 |
| mwhudson | stupid skype | 22:36 |
| sinzui | barry: agreed | 22:36 |
| barry | sinzui: cool, thanks. will you be around for a while? i may ping you to review this last change when it's ready | 22:36 |
| sinzui | barry: I think I will be in an out for the next 8 hours | 22:37 |
| * sinzui tries to change 38 pages before Monday | 22:37 | |
| barry | sinzui: okay, that's cool. if you're here and want to look, that's fine. if not, i'm jfdi. i'm tired of this branch and it needs to LAND! :) | 22:37 |
| * barry will not sleep until this is in the tree | 22:38 | |
| didrocks | well, my launchpad dev setup try on jaunty fails as well :/ | 22:38 |
| sinzui | barry: I agree. We can fix bugs next week, but we wont know about bugs if you don't land it | 22:38 |
| barry | sinzui: so right you are | 22:39 |
| * barry hacks | 22:39 | |
| mwhudson | rockstar: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/269419/ | 22:43 |
| mwhudson | (gee thanks, postgres!) | 22:43 |
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| wgrant | buildbot is sad. | 22:52 |
| rockstar | wgrant, yeah, mwhudson said he was going to fix it, but I have a read lock on him right now. | 22:53 |
| wgrant | Ah. | 22:53 |
| mwhudson | hooray for test runs with 9 landings :/ | 23:13 |
| wgrant | Yes. It wasn't mine? | 23:14 |
| mwhudson | wgrant: no | 23:16 |
| mwhudson | it's a rosetta thing | 23:16 |
| mwhudson | lib/lp/translations/browser/tests/translationmessage-views.txt | 23:16 |
| wgrant | mwhudson: Ah, great. | 23:17 |
| mwhudson | seems a bit of the test that should have been deleted | 23:20 |
| maxb | When I make minor followup changes to a branch proposed for merging after comments from reviewers, should I resubmit the MP ? | 23:39 |
| * mwhudson finally defeats pqm-submit for his '[testfix] | 23:39 | |
| wgrant | maxb: No. | 23:40 |
| mwhudson | maxb: if the changes are small, paste the diff between what was reviewed and the current state of the branch into a comment | 23:40 |
| wgrant | maxb: Just reply saying that you've done it, and give the diff. | 23:40 |
| mwhudson | maxb: (we'll be fixing the workflow around this sort of thing soonish) | 23:40 |
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