[00:08] <raindog_mini> X won't start with Alpha 5 livecd.  Same has been true since beginning of Karmic cycle.   Any ideas?
[00:08] <raindog_mini> I tried with safe graphics mode - still no X.
[00:11] <lokad> What graphics hardware do you have?
[00:12] <raindog_mini> onboard nvidia card
[00:13] <raindog_mini> I could be more specific but the machine in question is checking the hard drive currently.
[00:14] <lokad> anything useful in Xorg logs?
[00:14] <raindog_mini> I can't check until fsck is done with it's work, but I will check them.
[00:15] <lokad> OK. The last working driver would also be a useful information.
[00:16] <dto> hello everyone. i'm not sure what package this is a bug in---whatever part of the Display preferences dialog rewrites the Virtual line in xorg.conf, seemed to max out at 2048 by 2048, and so i couldn't get a proper dual-head setup with these 2 widescreens totaling 2726x768. i had to manually edit xorg.conf for it to work.
[00:16] <raindog_mini> It has worked fine, just not with the Livecd.
[00:17] <lokad> Worked fine in jaunty or worked fine in older karmic?
[00:17] <garrett__> Hi.  I've got an hp mini 110, and i can get the broadcom bcm4312 network chipset working with the alpha5 live disk, but it's a no go once it's actually installed.  any ideas?  trying to modprobe the b43 driver causes a hard machine lock, with not so much as a whipser in my kernel/sys logs
[00:17] <lokad> dto: the applet that lets you change the screen does this
[00:18] <garrett__> also, the fwcutter util which showed up in the live disk isn't there under restricted drivers once it's actually installd.
[00:18] <dto> lokad: right but it doesn't work. it would always set the main laptop screen to 1024x768
[00:18] <dto> so the screen was scaled and blurry.
[00:19] <dto> i tried both with that applet, and with the extra Multiple Screens applet, and the mulitple screens one said "user requested larger screensize than max screensize" which clued me into editing xorg.conf manually
[00:19] <dto> after that, the applet works correctly
[00:19] <dto> so i conclude the part that was writing Virtual 2048 2048 into the xorg.conf, is wrong
[00:19] <lokad> All i know is that 2048x2048 is the maximum resolution the embedded intel cards support whit acceleration
[00:19] <cwillu_at_work> and some radeons
[00:20] <cwillu_at_work> or rather, the largest single texture size, which constrains the desktop because the root window has to span the entire desktop
[00:20] <dto> this is a laptop with a radeon and works fine with a wider virtual screen than that. so where do i report this?
[00:20] <jadams_> when I play a flash video, sound stops working on my system.  Is this a known bug?  I see a bug report back in hardy on it...
[00:21] <jadams_> ahh, found a bunch of similar bugs in jaunty...I should be able to find a fix, just don't know if it needs reporting against kk
[00:21] <cwillu_at_work> dto, did you have compiz working on it before at the largest resolution?
[00:21] <dto> cwillu_at_work: i never tried. i don't like compiz, i had trouble with it only allowing me 2 desktops
[00:22] <dto> hi DBO
[00:22] <cwillu_at_work> dto, I'd expect it to be working fine under metacity in that case
[00:22] <cwillu_at_work> ah, I see
[00:23] <judgen> in what file should i set vga=794 now that menu.lst is gone?
[00:23] <cwillu_at_work> judgen, /etc/defaults/grub
[00:23] <cwillu_at_work> dto, That max size almost certainly comes from the max texture size, and by extension, compiz-on-by-default
[00:24] <lokad> sounds sensible
[00:24] <judgen> cwillu_at_work: i dont have such files.
[00:24] <dto> cwillu_at_work: so is this a bug?
[00:24] <judgen> cwillu_at_work: what happens if i add it to /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[00:24] <cwillu_at_work> judgen, /etc/default/grub
[00:24] <lokad> you can only use 2048x2048 with compiz
[00:25] <dto> here is my setup. http://imagebin.ca/view/jzTDyy.html
[00:25] <cwillu_at_work> although it pains me a little that you didn't check that when /etc/defaults/ didn't work :p
[00:25] <lokad> *i* consider compiz-on-by-default a bug ;-)
[00:25] <judgen> cwillu_at_work: i dont have a file with the name grub in /etc/default/
[00:25] <cwillu_at_work> dto, I think you could file a bug against the resolution switcher, it's a tricky problem though
[00:26] <cwillu_at_work> dto, mainly as an interface problem:  how should the user be told that it'll only partially work?
[00:26] <lennart> Hello anyone, i'm having some problems with a bug, what happens is; when i remove the power cable from my laptop, the computer goes to sleep after some seconds. Im running karmic alpha5 with latest upgrades on a hp dv1667
[00:27] <cwillu_at_work> judgen, assuming that something in grub2 hasn't changed in the last couple weeks, I think you have a broken install
[00:27] <dto> cwillu_at_work: they could just pop up a message saying that the underlying device might not support the resolution.
[00:27] <cwillu_at_work> dto, but that's not true
[00:27] <dto> oh
[00:27] <cwillu_at_work> the underlying device supports it, but not accelerated
[00:27] <dto> ah.
[00:27] <judgen> cwillu_at_work: ok
[00:27] <judgen> exit
[00:27] <cwillu_at_work> the trick is how to do it in a _good_ way :)
[00:27] <dto> well i have compositing on. does that require acceleration?
[00:28] <cwillu_at_work> dto, yes and no
[00:28] <cwillu_at_work> metacity compositing doesn't right now afaik, although they're going that direction (of using accelerated compositing)
[00:28] <lennart> can somebody give me a push in the right direction to resolve it?
[00:29] <cwillu_at_work> compiz and most other fancy displays require hardware acceleration, and therefore need to have a max texture size large enough to accommodate the root window.  This isn't a fundamental problem, but it's would be alot of work to hack around it
[00:29] <dto> i just think it should not have 2048x2048 as the hardcoded max that it will update the virtual line to
[00:30] <cwillu_at_work> dto, it's not hardcoded though, that's the max size supported by your card
[00:30] <judgen> cwillu_at_work: i am using grub 1.5 afaik.
[00:30] <dto> cwillu_at_work: no it's not. i'm running at 2726x768
[00:30] <cwillu_at_work> dto, ...
[00:30] <cwillu_at_work> dto, it's the max texture size supported by your card
[00:31] <dto> i'm not asking that they change the method it uses to calculate it, i just think it should allow override
[00:31] <lokad> judgen: grub 0.97 you mean?
[00:32] <judgen> lokad: maybe... the one that came with jaunty...
[00:32] <dto> i.e. if it knows the user has selected a monitor layout larger than 2048x2048 in some dimension, it could tell the user that acceleration will not work
[00:32] <cwillu_at_work> judgen, and you don't have /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[00:32] <lokad> dto: i think it's some kind of auto guessing logic to keep your graphics accelerated
[00:32] <cwillu_at_work> dto, yes, we've been through this already :)
[00:32] <cwillu_at_work> dto, file the bug
[00:32] <dto> ok :)
[00:32] <dto> thanks
[00:32] <dto> what do you think of my toshiba combo?
[00:33] <judgen> cwillu_at_work: nope, i have a grub.cfg that has the list in it though
[00:33] <dto> dtchen: hey
[00:33] <cwillu_at_work> judgen, stuff's changed out from under me there then, sorry :p
[00:33] <dto> dtchen: someone told me to talk to you about pulseaudio. i'm running on the dev ppa and i have some issues
[00:34] <dto> dtchen: do you have a minute to speak?
[00:34] <judgen> cwillu_at_work: now i got grub2... so shall i just add the 794 tag to it then?
[00:34] <dtchen> shoot.
[00:34] <cwillu_at_work> judgen, grub2 should definitely have /etc/default/grub
[00:34] <lokad> i think he still has grub-legacy from jaunty
[00:35] <judgen> cwillu_at_work: i got the default file now after installing grub2
[00:35] <dto> dtchen: zoom h4 not recognized. /var/log/messages shows http://pastebin.ca/1561642
[00:35] <lokad> ok
[00:35] <judgen> but i dont know where to add the line for 1023x768 so usplash will run at that resolution.
[00:35] <judgen> 1024*
[00:35] <dto> dtchen: m-audio fast track pro, works fine for playback, but can't choose between A/B outputs, also can't see recording input.
[00:35] <cwillu_at_work> judgen, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[00:36] <judgen> cwillu_at_work: aaah ok
[00:36] <judgen> thanks
[00:36] <dto> dtchen: i'm going to test it with a delta 1010 but i can barely get ubuntu running on that machine
[00:37] <dtchen> dto: first: echo autospawn = no|tee -a ~/.pulse/client.conf
[00:37] <dtchen> dto: second: killall pulseaudio && pulseaudio -vvv
[00:37] <dtchen> dto: third: need the debug output from -vvvv when you insert the device
[00:38] <dtchen> dto: if you haven't filed a bug already, please do so, and attach the debug output
[00:38] <judgen> is 791 or 794 1024x768?
[00:38] <cwillu_at_work> no idea, sorry
[00:38] <dto> dtchen: which page/project do i file the bug under?
[00:38] <dtchen> dto: just use "ubuntu-bug pulseaudio"
[00:39] <dto> dtchen: thank you!
[00:39] <dto> dtchen: ok i will pastebin the stuff in a moment
[00:42] <dto> dtchen: can i comment out that autospawn line now?
[00:43] <dtchen> dto: if the debug output is attached to the bug report already, sure
[00:44] <dtchen> i'm working on an update for the version just uploaded to Karmic proper
[00:44] <dtchen> it should land in the PPA RSN
[00:47] <judgen> Darnit, grub tells me that vga=791 is deprecated... what now?
[00:48] <dto> dtchen: ubuntu-bug pulseaudio says, this is not a genuine ubuntu package. prolly cause i'm on the ppa
[00:49] <dto> dtchen: i piped the two reports to a file. one for the m-audio, one for the zoom
[00:49] <dto> dtchen: do you have a url i can use for reporting this bug?
[00:50] <dtchen> dto: just report it as standard, then please make sure you update to the newer PA in the PPA once it builds
[00:50] <dtchen> it should affect the pulseaudio source package
[00:50] <dtchen> i.e.,
[00:50] <dtchen>   Uploading pulseaudio_0.9.16-0ubuntu2~ubuntuaudiodev1_source.changes: done.
[00:50] <dtchen> Successfully uploaded packages.
[00:51] <dtchen> that's what you'll want to test
[00:52] <judgen> no ideas?
[00:56] <dto`> what'd i miss
[00:56] <dto`> my connection died
[00:56] <dto`> so i should tell you i'm using your ppa?
[00:56] <dto`> i mean, tell them
[00:57] <dtchen> it should appear in the bug report once you rerun -vvvv
[00:57] <dto`> but i have been using the ppa already since the other day
[00:57] <dtchen> to clarify: it should appear in the debug output of pulseaudio -vvvv once you attach it to the bug report
[00:57] <dto`> ok
[00:58] <dto`> wait, i only used 3 v's
[00:58] <dto`> should i re-run?
[00:58] <dtchen> yes
[00:58] <dto`> ok
[00:59] <dtchen> bbl
[01:02] <lennart>  Hello anyone, i'm having some problems with a bug, what happens is; when i remove the power cable from my laptop, the computer goes to sleep after some seconds. Im running karmic alpha5 with latest upgrades on a hp dv1667, please someone help?
[01:09] <dto`> yay! bugs reported.
[01:16] <DKcross> hello people!
[01:23] <barry_> hi folks.  is there any way to get the livecd to not start up x?  i'm trying to live boot karmic alpha 5 on a machine w/ati hd4670 and the display is completely corrupted.  i don't want to install karmic yet though, thus livecd
[01:26] <FlamingFlamingo> hey guys, i wanna upgrade to alpha 5, if I install it from a usb, will I be able to keep all my settings  and things like Music, Pictures, Documents?
[01:32] <johannes_> hi, does suspend to ram work with ubuntu 9.10 and fglrx?
[01:35] <literal> barry_: you can get the alternate cd image
[01:36] <literal> barry_: but I don't really see the point
[01:36] <literal> you want to try karmic but you don't want to run X? what's the point?
[01:46] <mrmcq2u> what's happening to the second artwork drop?
[01:48] <barry_> literal: the problem is that x does not work with my card.  i want to try bryce's ppa but i can't get far enough in the boot process to pull that in.  the altcd has no live boot and i'm not quite ready to install ubuntu on this machine yet
[01:54] <BluesKaj> can someone recall the command to re-establish access to my NTFS partition ..error HalDevice invalid mount option.. I just did a kubuntu clean install
[01:57] <ripps> Hmm... update wants to remove gnome-games and gnome-games-common. Is this okay?
[01:57] <ripps> s/common/data/
[01:58] <cwillu> last I checked, those packages aren't required to boot the system, or get an x session going :p
[01:58] <mneptok> a dist-upgrade removed Empathy today. what gives?
[01:59] <cwillu> mneptok, you installed updates after some package was updated, but before empathy was updated to match it
[01:59] <cwillu> happens all the time
[02:00] <scimitar> I just installed Karmic and have a few issues if anyone can help...they are related to unreachable drives, lots of ? icons in folders and kwin crashes
[02:00] <cwillu> less often immediately before alpha and beta releases of course
[02:00] <mneptok> cwillu: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade <--- perfectly fine procedure
[02:00] <h00k> So, I installed Karmic and the partitioner wouldn't be launched by the installer, so I just installed on a single 8gb partition on this netbook.  I also selected to encrypt home partition[folder].  I now want to put /home on the second partition on my netbook[32gb], how would one go about this?
[02:00] <cwillu> mneptok, that has nothing to do with what I said though
[02:00] <cwillu> updated as in the actual package, not updated as in apt-get update
[02:01] <mneptok> cwillu: yes, hence my question "what gives?" when will Empathy be updated against Python 2.6 updates (or whatever)
[02:01] <cwillu> mneptok, might already be updated
[02:01] <cwillu> unless you're updating immediately before an alpha is released (i.e., during the soft-freeze), it's quite normal for some packages to be uninstallable
[02:01] <mneptok> cwillu: nope
[02:02] <cwillu> so wait 24 hours and try again
[02:02] <mneptok> cwillu: i know how this all works :)
[02:02] <cwillu> do you now :p
[02:02] <cwillu> you really should be checking the updates by hand if you can't afford to have something break
[02:02] <mneptok> well, having been a Senior Ubuntu Support Analyst for Canonical for 3 years, i tend to have learned a thing or 2.
[02:03] <cwillu> so that was a rhetorical 'what gives'?
[02:03] <mneptok> cwillu: it was directed at whoever is maintaining the Empathy package.
[02:04] <cwillu> sorry, it sounded like the usual "something broke in my unreleased operating system", I assumed the worst.  My bad ;p
[02:04]  * cwillu goes and answers questions about pulseaudio and flash in #ubuntu for ten minutes as his penance
[02:05] <mneptok> cwillu: not good enough. i want you to answer the next person that asks about iTunes, their iPhone/iPod, and Windows games. that's pure Hell. :)
[02:06] <barry_> mneptok: where can i get itunes for karmic?
[02:06]  * cwillu sighs
[02:06]  * mneptok bends over
[02:06] <cwillu> barry_, dual boot, or use a virtual machine
[02:06] <barry_> mneptok: :)
[02:06] <cwillu> qemu works fine, virtualbox works better
[02:06] <barry_> cwillu: sorry, i'm just yankin' mneptok's chain
[02:06] <cwillu> you'll need to use sun's virtualbox (rather than the one in our repository) however if you want usb support to work properly
[02:06] <cwillu> barry_, I'm obliging :p
[02:07] <barry_> :)
[02:07] <Scimitar^> can anyone answer a few questions for me
[02:07] <cwillu> firm maybe :p
[02:07] <mneptok> cwillu: why can't i install "Super Maggot Deathmatch Arena 3D" for Amiga on Ubuntu?!?!? this OS SUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS!!!!111!!!!!1!one!!
[02:07] <cwillu> mneptok, we have an amiga simulator, no?
[02:07] <Scimitar^> I just installed Karmic and have a few issues if anyone can help...they are related to unreachable drives, lots of ? icons in folders and kwin crashes
[02:07] <mneptok> Scimitar^: on partitions formatted as .....
[02:08] <cwillu> Scimitar^, install or upgrade?  and was it an existing partition?  and what filesystem did you use?
[02:08] <Scimitar^> ntfs partitions
[02:08] <cwillu> Scimitar^, wubi?
[02:08]  * cwillu curses wubi
[02:08] <mneptok> Scimitar^: as karmic is unreleased, and even released versions of Ubuntu have to tiptoe around NTFS, breakage in that regard is not at all surprising.
[02:09] <cwillu> and avoid wubi at all costs if your data has any value to you
[02:09] <mneptok> Scimitar^: if you *need* working NTFS support, best to install Jaunty
[02:09] <mneptok> Scimitar^: otherwise, be patient and a future update may well resolve the issues you see
[02:09] <barry_> cwillu: i have not succeeded in getting any version of wubi to work on my spanking new vista box
[02:09] <cwillu> Scimitar^, the ? icons are also in ntfs drives?
[02:09] <Scimitar^> they show up in dolphin on the left but tell me that utf8 is not a valid option
[02:09] <Scimitar^> no they are in dev
[02:10] <cwillu> that's normal
[02:10] <cwillu> iirc
[02:10] <h00k> So, I installed Karmic and the partitioner wouldn't be launched by the installer, so I just installed on a single 8gb partition on this netbook.  I also selected to encrypt home partition[folder] (and automatically decrypt on login).  I now want to put /home on the second SSD on my netbook[32gb], how would one go about this?
[02:10] <mneptok> Scimitar^: edit fstab and use ISO to address those partitions
[02:10] <mneptok> h00k: edit fstab
[02:10] <Scimitar^> I tried to edit fstab but it won't save
[02:10] <h00k> mneptok: is that where decryption...whatever its looking for is handled?
[02:11] <mneptok> this is fun. i like yelling into canyons and hearing my echo. :)
[02:11] <h00k> mneptok: thats what I figured, alright.
[02:11] <cwillu> Scimitar^, sudoedit /etc/fstab
[02:11]  * cwillu echoes
[02:11] <mneptok> h00k: login. use rsync to get the data over to the other drive. then edit fstab and tell it /home is over there/
[02:11] <BluesKaj> mneptok:  I did have access to ntfs on a previous karmic alpha5 32 bit install, but decided to finally take the 64bit plunge ...everything is really quite good so far except for the UUID error for the ntfs partition
[02:12] <cwillu> h00k, re: encryption, you'll need to learn how to set up encryption in the first place, although it generally isn't too hard
[02:12] <nostahl> hi guys
[02:12] <mneptok> BluesKaj: just switched to AMD64 myself for this new laptop. what Flash option do you find the best?
[02:12] <cwillu> h00k, otherwise, everything is the same at that point
[02:12] <nostahl> just did apt-get install apache2  and i cant do /etc/init.d/httpd start
[02:12] <nostahl> how do i start it heh
[02:12] <h00k> cwillu: yeah, I can move /home otherwise, no problem, the encryption part is what I wondered about.
[02:12] <BluesKaj> mneptok:  dunno yet , I havent tried youtube
[02:13] <cwillu> h00k, luks is straightforward to do from the command line
[02:13] <cwillu> mneptok, BluesKaj, the 64bit flash alpha (is it beta or released yet?) has been working okay for me
[02:13] <Scimitar^> cwillu how do I save after the edit?
[02:13] <cwillu> Scimitar^, which editor are you in?
[02:13] <Scimitar^> cwillu sudoedit
[02:14] <h00k> cwillu, mneptok: thanks
[02:14] <cwillu> vi/vim = <escape>ZZ, nano is ctrl-w (I think, but it says at the bottom)
[02:14] <cwillu> nostahl, it's not httpd
[02:14] <cwillu> nostahl, apache21
[02:14] <h00k> vim is also escape : wq
[02:14] <cwillu> args
[02:14] <cwillu> /etc/init.d/apache2
[02:14] <nostahl> ah just figured that out as you typed it hehe
[02:15] <cwillu> nostahl, apache2ctk has some additional args
[02:15] <cwillu> ctl ratehr
[02:15] <cwillu> agrh
[02:15]  * cwillu gives up on typing for today
[02:16] <cwillu> Scimitar^, don't pm people without asking in channel first... I don't even see them half the time until an hour later
[02:16] <Scimitar^> sorry that was a mistake
[02:17] <cwillu> Scimitar^, luksformat -t ext4 /dev/path/to/partition
[02:17] <cwillu> I think
[02:17] <gandhi> hey, is 2.6.31 stable?
[02:18] <cwillu> actually, use cryptsetup
[02:18] <h00k> it  was released
[02:18] <gandhi> i see that
[02:18] <gandhi> i guess thats my answer then
[02:18] <Scimitar^> still trying to get the editor to save fstab.orig
[02:18]  * cwillu cheers, now he can use 2.6.32 and maybe get his suspend working :p
[02:18] <gandhi> i wonder if it will play with my nvidia drivers
[02:18] <cwillu> Scimitar^, still haven't told us which editor you're using :p
[02:18] <cwillu> gandhi, 2.6.31 works fine with our nvidia packages
[02:19] <Scimitar^> I typed sudoedit /etc/fstab.orig
[02:19] <cwillu> Scimitar^, do you see "write out" at the bottom of the screen anywhere?
[02:19] <Scimitar^> ok lol now I feel dumb
[02:19] <cwillu> don't, it's got my vote for the most gratuitous change in terminology :p
[02:20] <cwillu> second only to "uncut text"
[02:20] <Scimitar^> I did that told it to overwrite and then reopened fstab.orig and nothing is changed
[02:20] <cwillu> Scimitar^, fstab should be what changed
[02:22] <Scimitar^> nope no change there either...any way to do a root edit in kate?
[02:22] <cwillu> not sure what the kde equivilent of gksudo is, but gksudo kate /path/to/file should work
[02:22] <Scimitar^> I will try that
[02:24] <neonflx> ne1 knows how to get the asus light sensor to work on karmic? thx
[02:24] <Scimitar^> cool that accepted the changes
[02:24] <Scimitar^> now if I did it right when I reboot I will have a drive mounted manually
[02:27] <h00k> mneptok: data is backed up on a thumbdrive ^.^
[02:28] <h00k> Could not create LUKS device /dev/sdb at /usr/sbin/luksformat line 58, <MOUNTS> line 17.
[02:31] <h00k> I format this drive EXT4 and then use luksformat?
[02:36] <judgen> How do i get frambuffer modes to work with an nvidia card?
[02:37] <cwillu> h00k, backwarsd
[02:37] <cwillu> h00k, you cryptsetup the partition, open the partition, and then create the filesystem on the /dev/mapper/<foo> device that gets made
[02:38] <cwillu> h00k, man cryptsetup -> the luks extension section
[02:39] <cwillu> luksFormat and luksOpen being the relevant ones (note that they're case sensitive... whoever made it "luksCommandName" instead of "luke commandname" should be shot) :p
[02:39] <BluesKaj> ok mneptok , got the media plugins working ok on chromium..been using it for 7 or 8 wks now and I'm kinda liking it.
[02:42] <neonflx> ne1 knows how to get asus light sensor to work on karmic? thx
[02:42] <cwillu> !lol
[02:43] <cwillu> hmm... what was the leetspeek thingy?
[02:43] <Dai> !1337
[02:43] <cwillu> ah, thanks :)
[02:43] <Dai> :D
[02:43] <cwillu> neonflx, best bet is to google for the model of the laptop + ubuntu (or similar)
[02:43] <cwillu> odds are that somebody somewhere has figured it out
[02:44] <h00k> cwillu: what is looks like is: cryptsetup create home /dev/sdb
[02:44] <h00k> first
[02:44] <Dai> i'm just hoping for support for adjusting the backlight on the inspiron 12 in karmic
[02:44] <cwillu> h00k, you probably want to use luks instead
[02:44] <Dai> as it is, i *can* adjust the backlight, as long as i do it before the OS finishes booting
[02:44] <h00k> cwillu: luks failed, apparently this cryptsetup ran and I didn't see any errors
[02:45] <cwillu> what error did luks fail with?
[02:45] <h00k> cwillu: Could not create LUKS device /dev/sdb at /usr/sbin/luksformat line 58, <MOUNTS> line 17.
[02:46] <h00k> cwillu: thanks for the patience
[02:46] <cwillu> cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/sdb should do the trick (although I'd suggest using a partition instead of the entire disk)
[02:46] <cwillu> is that the command you ran?
[02:46] <h00k> negative, but thats what I'll do now
[02:46] <h00k> Command failed: Can not access device
[02:46] <h00k> ta-da!
[02:46] <h00k> :/
[02:46] <h00k> (ran as root)
[02:47] <h00k> no, its not mounted
[02:47] <cwillu> :)
[02:47] <neonflx> ne1 knows how to get asus light sensor to work on karmic? thx
[02:47] <Dai> wow, someone isn't paying attention at all
[02:48] <h00k> cwillu: althouth 'sudo cryptsetup create home /dev/sdb' worked.
[02:48] <cwillu> neonflx, the best way to get on everyone's ignore list is to repeat the question after you've received an answer, without giving any indication that you've tried what was suggested
[02:49] <cwillu> h00k, you know, I think it might actually _have_ to be a partition, rather than the whole drive
[02:49] <h00k> cwillu: so, create...a partition on this entire drive (ext4)?
[02:49] <cwillu> h00k, use gparted to make a single partition on that drive, the full size of the disk, and without a fs assigned to it
[02:49] <cwillu> type=none
[02:49] <h00k> ohok.
[02:50] <cwillu> and then try crypsetup luksFormat /dev/sdb1
[02:50] <cwillu> iirc, a raw encrypted disk can have difficulties if you mistype the password
[02:51] <cwillu> and luks allows you to change the passphrase without reencrypting the entire disk
[02:51] <h00k> cwillu: horray: Command failed: Can not access device
[02:51] <cwillu> oh, I know
[02:51] <cwillu> cryptsetup remove <name>
[02:51] <cwillu> you have an active mapping, from the other cryptsetup
[02:51] <dto> i installed ubuntu-restricted-extras but still can't play dvds.
[02:51] <cwillu> so cryptsetup remove home
[02:52] <h00k> and then reformat, again?
[02:52] <cwillu> well, crypsetup luksFormat /dev/sdb1
[02:52] <h00k> yeah..can not access
[02:52] <cwillu> h00k, what does "cryptsetup status home" say?
[02:53] <h00k> maybe I just wait until the next karmic alpha is released and try to reinstall then ^.^
[02:53] <cwillu> h00k, I've got two machines using this :p
[02:53] <cwillu> should be working
[02:53] <h00k> cwillu: /dev/mapper/home is inactive.
[02:53] <h00k> cwillu: this is my second, yeah.
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[02:54] <h00k> cwillu: yeah, cannot access device :( I am disappoint
[02:54] <mneptok> Karmic Alpha 5?
[02:54] <cwillu> h00k, dmsetup ls?
[02:54] <mneptok> Karmic Alpha 5?
[02:54] <h00k> yes
[02:54] <mneptok> THIS IS KARMIC ALPHA 5!
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[02:54] <cwillu> mneptok, I take back anything I ever said to you that was apologetic :p
[02:55] <h00k> cwillu: cryptswap1(252, 0) luksformat1(252, 1)
[02:55] <mneptok> cwillu: i think you just set a new world record for longest time befors that sentiment
[02:55] <mneptok> ;)
[02:55] <gandhi> i updated to the karmic kernel under jaunty, how do i enable karmic repos?
[02:56] <gandhi> changed the apt source lines to karmic, but they are greyed out in the update manager
[02:56] <cwillu> gandhi, that's not a good way to upgrade to karmic
[02:56] <cwillu> use update-manager -c -d
[02:56] <mneptok> +gksu
[02:56] <cwillu> the alternative can be made to work, but you get to keep the pieces when (_when_) it breaks
[02:56] <h00k> cwillu: I believe it has encrypted my swap, also
[02:58] <cwillu> ugh
[02:58] <cwillu> gotta go
[02:58] <cwillu> yay for the boss calling at 8pm
[02:58] <h00k> thanks for the help, cwillu.  Peace.
[02:59] <Lars_G> holy fuck, 192 packages to update at once
[02:59] <Lars_G> pushed real hard today.
[02:59] <gandhi> thanks cwillu
[03:01] <h00k> I'm going to try today's daily iso and see if that helps.
[03:01] <h00k> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/karmic-desktop-i386.iso
[03:55] <DanaG> grr, stupid udev... still refuses to give my sound card an output.
[03:58] <MindVirus> My styles are all messed up.
[03:58] <MindVirus> Half of 'em don't work.
[03:58] <MindVirus> When I go into the main menu with Human, half of the selected item has an orange background as expected but the other half isn't highlighted at all.
[04:08] <MindVirus> Any suggestions?
[04:20] <chx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/427680 anything I left out from the bug report? I try to be helpful and not file a useless report.
[04:37] <Krampus> So I've got to reinstall Ubuntu, thinking to jump to Karmic.  Non-mission critical, everyday use.  How's the beta looking?
[04:37] <Amaranth> chx_afk: run `apport-collect 427680`
[04:38] <Amaranth> chx_afk: that'll attach all the information the developers think is important
[05:16] <chx> Amaranth: hi
[05:16] <Amaranth> chx: hey, did you run that apport command?
[05:16] <chx> Amaranth: Package knetworkmanager not installed and no hook available, ignoring
[05:16] <chx> Amaranth: No additional information collected.
[05:17] <Amaranth> chx: err, you ran it on the machine you have the bug on, right?
[05:17] <chx> yes
[05:17] <Amaranth> chx: and you have knetworkmanager installed?
[05:17] <chx> yes but the package is called network-manager-kde
[05:18] <Amaranth> chx: that package doesn't exist
[05:18] <chx> erm sorry
[05:18] <chx> plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[05:18] <chx> i checked jaunty
[05:18] <Amaranth> that's the problem, you filed the bug on the wrong package in launchpad
[05:19] <Amaranth> chx: run that command again
[05:19] <chx> Amaranth: sorry! running
[05:20] <Amaranth> chx: it's no problem, we'll get it all fixed up so the developers have a good chance of fixing it
[05:20] <chx> its working
[05:20] <Amaranth> chx: btw, in the future the best way to file a bug is to run `ubuntu-bug plasma-widget-networkmanagement`
[05:20] <chx> oh
[05:21] <chx> sure
[05:21] <Amaranth> of course replacing the plasma bit with the package you want to file a bug against
[05:21] <chx> i will try to be useful here, if i a atest os
[05:21] <Amaranth> that way it automatically adds the files the developers will want and you just have to describe the problem
[05:21] <chx> *if i run a test os
[05:23] <chx> btw Karmic is fantastic
[05:23] <chx> thanks
[05:23] <chx> it really feels a good release already
[05:23] <Amaranth> chx: btw, did apport tell you about the crash?
[05:23] <chx> the occassional app crashing does not bother me too much
[05:23] <tntc> Hey, I'm noticing that Palimpsest is complaining about a bad disk, but the disk in question passes dell's DST short, WDs short and long test, etc. etc.  Any idea what gives?
[05:23] <chx> Amaranth: hm, no?
[05:24] <chx> Amaranth: when it crashes next time i will look for me
[05:24] <chx> *motr
[05:24] <chx> *more (sigh)
[05:24] <Amaranth> chx: can you check the contents of /var/crash and see if there is a file in there that looks like it would be for the network applet?
[05:24] <Amaranth> tntc: known issue
[05:25] <chx> Amaranth: absolutely there is! i should up then that, right?
[05:25] <Amaranth> tntc: iirc it considers _any_ errors a bad disk instead of errors over the threshold
[05:25] <Amaranth> chx: not quite, hang on a second
[05:26] <Amaranth> chx: apport-bug /var/crash/_bin_bash.1000.crash
[05:26] <Amaranth> of course change the path
[05:26] <Amaranth> chx: then tell me the bug number you end up with since it'll file a new bug report
[05:26] <tntc> Amaranth: It's odd because it also shows the status as all OK or N/A.
[05:27] <Amaranth> wait
[05:27] <Amaranth> no, that's right, run that command
[05:27] <tntc> Amaranth: have you seen it on your machine?  I popped two other drives with a few bad sectors and they passed with flying colors.
[05:27] <Amaranth> tntc: nope
[05:27] <tntc> hrm. It scared the pants off me.
[05:31] <Amaranth> tntc: bug 412152
[05:34] <tntc> Amaranth: based on the bug, it seems like the Palimpsest author may be over paranoid or under-educated about bad blocks. :(
[05:43] <tntc> well, evolution is pretty messed up too! :)
[05:44] <NoelJB> ah, I'll bet I know which bug brought up the word Palimpsest.  :-)
[05:44] <tntc> NoelJB: reporting an error on a drive because it has a single bad sector?
[05:46] <NoelJB> tntc, yes.  if you check the bug report, you'll find that I was the one who linked it to the Fedora bug.
[05:46] <tntc> the idea that he'd replace the drive over that is pretty rich.
[05:47] <tntc> It's like the CEL in your car going off because there's a scratch in the paint.
[05:47] <NoelJB> :-)
[05:47] <Amaranth> tntc: wouldn't surprise me if that happens
[05:49] <tntc> Amaranth: what, the CEL for a scratch in the paint? Or the apply button being missing from the evolution wizard making it impossible to add an account?
[05:49] <Amaranth> tntc: former
[05:50] <tntc> Amaranth: only if you're in a ferrari :)
[05:50] <tntc> What about the latter? Anyone tried adding an e-mail account in evolution lately?
[05:51] <Amaranth> nope, I use gmail
[05:51] <DanaG> ugh, notify-osd blur hurts my eyes.
[05:52] <NoelJB> DanaG, LOL I was just playing with notify-osd.  I've got some weird behavior with it.  On a fresh Karmic install, it works the same for root and non-root.  On my Jaunty->Karmic updated system, it behaves differently.
[05:53] <NoelJB> Been debating doing a reinstall of Karmic, although I'd like to avoid it.
[05:59] <gandhi> i have a question, the pidgin nautilus integration is weird in the new version, doesn't seem to work properly, anybody know whats up with that?
[06:11] <virtuald> Good morning channel
[06:12] <richardcavell> virtuald: good morning
[06:37] <tilgovi> So, I'm happily running karmic, but I decided to set up a karmic chroot for developing packages as well.
[06:38] <tilgovi> following this guide: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot I used schroot, but I get a strange error:
[06:38] <tilgovi> "Failure while configuring base packages." It tells me it'll try five times, fails five times, then says Base system installed successfully.
[06:39] <tilgovi> does this make sense to anyone?
[06:43] <mac_v> tntc: i *had* no problems adding evolution account ... well i was running Karmic since alpha3 so maybe the problem didnt exist then ;p
[06:44] <tntc> mac_v: at this point there is no apply button, so the wizard loops back to the start
[06:45] <mac_v> why do devs break things that work !
[06:49] <tilgovi> mac_v: because that's how we move forward.
[06:49] <tilgovi> mac_v: must experiment to move forward. experimenting implies breakage.
[06:49] <mac_v> ;p , break things that work for no reason ? ;)
[06:49] <tilgovi> mac_v: devs work in mysterious ways?
[06:50] <mac_v> tilgovi: most of such bugs are because they forgot to write the part , while re-writing :(
[06:50] <mac_v> they might have forgotten the apply button o.0
[07:10] <NoelJB> personally, I setup a separate VM for doing package development.
[07:13] <NoelJB> tntc, I confirm what you see.  I just tried to create an account.
[07:31] <Boohbah> can somebody recommend an NES emulator for karmic? i tried fceultra but it doesn't appear to be in the repos
[07:37] <Finnish> Suddenly I get this error: temperature reached critical 95, shutting down. I can't even boot ubuntu
[07:49] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[07:49] <ShapeShifter499> I need some more help
[07:49] <DKcross> :o
[07:50] <DKcross> whatz?
[07:50] <ShapeShifter499> I'm getting input/output errors in nautilus when I try moving files from and to my SD card, rather it be though a usb reader or though the slot on the side of my acer netbook(with karmic alpha 5)
[07:51] <ShapeShifter499> why are those errors showing up?
[07:51] <ShapeShifter499> and how to I fix them
[07:51] <ShapeShifter499> ?
[08:00] <DKcross> :\
[08:00] <DKcross> ShapeShifter499,  acer aspire one?
[08:00] <ShapeShifter499> ya
[08:00] <DKcross> ShapeShifter499,  when ubuntu is  booting?
[08:00] <ShapeShifter499> no
[08:00] <ShapeShifter499> when I go to move the files
[08:01] <ShapeShifter499> I aslo get the same errors in rsync
[08:01] <ShapeShifter499> *also
[08:02] <ShapeShifter499> should I try reinstalling nautilus?
[08:02] <ShapeShifter499> than comeback if errors persist?
[08:02] <DKcross> :o
[08:03] <DKcross> but
[08:03] <ShapeShifter499> but?
[08:03] <DKcross> i'm not sure
[08:03] <DKcross> open terminal
[08:03] <DKcross> and write
[08:03] <DKcross> sudo nautilus
[08:03] <DKcross> insert usb
[08:03] <DKcross> an open two tabas
[08:03] <DKcross> tabs"
[08:03] <DKcross> and move the files
[08:03] <ShapeShifter499> ok
[08:03] <ShapeShifter499> brb then
[08:03] <DKcross> check the problem in terminal
[08:07] <ShapeShifter499> woha
[08:08] <ShapeShifter499> according to the file oprations bar, it was just trying to move 63.8 gb of data from a 2gb card
[08:08] <ShapeShifter499> *operations
[08:09] <DKcross> :S
[08:09] <DKcross> whats?
[08:09] <DKcross> you can report the problem
[08:09] <DKcross> in launchpad
[08:09] <ShapeShifter499> so what do I do about my current system?
[08:10] <DKcross> i prefer
[08:10] <DKcross> wait
[08:11] <DKcross> first report the problem
[08:11] <DKcross> the team ubuntu , work
[08:11] <ShapeShifter499> w8
[08:11] <ShapeShifter499> let me reinstall nautilus
[08:11] <ShapeShifter499> than I'll come back
[08:11] <ShapeShifter499> brb
[08:42] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[08:42] <ShapeShifter499> i'm back
[08:43] <ShapeShifter499> and still having probs with nautilus
[08:44] <ShapeShifter499> what do I
[08:44] <ShapeShifter499> do?
[08:44] <slept> I am having massive troubel almost everything seems to be broken ... would someone help track me down the issus
[08:46] <slept> xserver is broken , performance is extremely poor ... where do I start
[08:51] <DKcross> do you have any update man? ShapeShifter499
[08:57] <ShapeShifter499> update?
[08:57] <ShapeShifter499> yea just did one 2 days ago
[09:02] <ripps> Is it just me, or has flash gotten even slower for ati in Karmic?
[09:03] <ripps> HD videos got much better, but flash is lagging behind in performance compared to everything else.
[09:10] <DKcross> ShapeShifter499,  really :S
[09:10] <DKcross> but only now i have around 3 updates
[09:12] <ShapeShifter499> yea
[09:13] <ShapeShifter499> but I fixed it
[09:14] <ShapeShifter499> it happened to be a corrupted card, deep within the file system lies a bunch of corrupted files
[09:15] <mac_v> NoelJB: when was the gdu update which had the fix?
[09:15] <ShapeShifter499> so I loose some files, but I did not need them anyways
[09:15] <ShapeShifter499> tnx for any help
[09:15] <ShapeShifter499> gotta go
[09:15] <ShapeShifter499> bye
[09:48] <DKcross> jpds, ++
[09:48] <DKcross> :D
[10:04] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[10:10] <dto> hi eagles0513875
[10:14] <eagles0513875> how goes it dto
[10:18] <dto> eagles0513875: not bad, just waking up
[10:18] <dto> and you?
[10:18] <eagles0513875> revising for part one of my lpic-1 cert exam
[10:18] <eagles0513875> lpic = level 1 cert form the linux professional institute :)
[10:35] <dto> eagles0513875: hey cool.
[10:35] <dto> eagles0513875: i just found out that massachusetts has its own apparently vibrant ubuntu group that i'm going to join :)
[10:35] <eagles0513875> would love to get the cert done cuz my school is getting fedup of the exhorbitant msft licencing bs
[10:35] <eagles0513875> so they are considering linux as an alternative
[10:36] <eagles0513875> alot of the msft stuff can easily be replaced with open source stuff that exists
[10:36] <dto> where do you study
[10:36] <eagles0513875> im from usa but studying in europe for my degree as well as this certification
[10:37] <eagles0513875> im studying for undergrade degree a bsc computing and information systems
[10:37] <eagles0513875> then probably go for a few masters and possibly a  phd maybe
[10:38] <dto> cool
[10:42] <dto> yay, apparently oct 22 will be a big day. the Ubuntu release candidate , windows 7 release, and my birthday to boot :)
[10:42] <dto> i saw a commercial about windows 7 with a little 5 year old girl talking about how awesome windows is
[10:42] <dto> i bet it reduces her tco
[10:43] <dto> i have a question about dvd playing. i can't get totem to play dvds, even after installing ubuntu-restricted-extras.
[10:50] <Ubunux> hello
[10:53] <dto> hi Ubunux
[11:04] <eagles0513875> hey Ubunux :)
[11:09] <Michalxo> hello! is problem on my side, when I don't see the new gdm and splash screen??
[12:29] <Adapter> hi catweazle
[12:31] <Adapter> catweazle lange nix gehört und gesehen!
[12:41] <vigo> Is this still for 9,04 Karmic?
[12:41] <SwedeMike> karmic is 9.10
[12:42] <SwedeMike> and yes, this is for 9.10
[12:42] <vigo> Ok, Thank you, I think that is what I am using now.
[12:43] <vigo> Alpha 5 or so?
[12:43] <malnilion> Yep.
[12:44] <vigo> Thank you, I am running a full system, no hacks by me, is really rather stable.
[12:45] <ActionParsnip> few hacks here, otherwise ok
[12:46] <ActionParsnip> mainly crappy grub2
[12:46] <malnilion> I agree, since I've got it installed, it's pretty easy.  One thing that might freak people out, though, is that ext4 (at least for me) can be shaky.  If I have to do a hard shutdown, I often have to do an fsck to get things up and running on next boot.
[12:47] <malnilion> I also really hope the gdm ends up looking better than it does right now.
[12:47] <vigo> malnilion: I had that same or a like thing using Deb5 with LVM.
[12:49] <malnilion> I don't really care that it does an fsck, but it shouldn't drop a user to a terminal and force them to run it themselves and require a reboot afterward...
[12:49] <vigo> true
[12:50] <malnilion> I know of at least 2 people who will be calling me if this happens to them, lol
[12:50] <malnilion> Luckily, their installs are currently on ext3 which, afaik, shouldn't have a problem :P
[12:50] <vigo> A force fix or rsync from last stable boot could be an approach.
[12:50] <Amaranth> malnilion: can't make gdm look too much different than it does now without a lot of code changes
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> malnilion: write them a script to run the relevant commands and fsck, then reboot.
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> malnilion: you can then tell them to run a single command and it will fix itself
[12:50] <Amaranth> malnilion: gdm is just using GTK widgets now so all you can change is the basic style and colors
[12:51] <malnilion> Amaranth, do you know why they changed that?
[12:51] <vigo> Yes, thank you ActionParsnip, that is kinda what I was trying to state.
[12:51] <ActionParsnip> script the world
[12:52] <vigo> Good movie
[12:52] <Amaranth> malnilion: something about not wanting to maintain a pile of crazy custom UI code
[12:54] <malnilion> Amaranth, I see, that makes sense.  However, it must be said that gdm looks absolutely ugly compared to Vista's login (hell, even XP's login) and OSX.
[12:55] <Amaranth> malnilion: well, it will get a drop shadow once we turn on metacity compositing in gdm and it has the basic layout like OS X so all that is missing is a good theme engine for that
[12:55] <Amaranth> although to make it really good you would need code changes
[13:10] <vigo> My Hard Drive is failing, is there a fix besides buy another one?
[13:11] <Dr_Willis> Errrr,,,  depends on how  valuable your data is. :)
[13:11] <Dr_Willis> backup.. and take the chance... or buy a new drive
[13:11] <vigo> Everything important is backed up.
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> Then its a matter of time to restore if it dies..  vs getting a new drive now
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> vigo: you could hdparm to make it run slower to maybe prolong the life
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> Planned downtime vs Unplanned downtime.
[13:12] <mac_v> vigo: Bug #412152 ?
[13:12] <virtuald> Buy two LoL
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> vigo: i'd just grab another
[13:12] <imachine> ActionParsnip, hardly would improve a thiing
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> vigo:  or are you just saying that smart monitor is complmaining?
[13:12] <imachine> it depends how it is dying tho
[13:12] <mac_v> Bug #412152
[13:12] <mac_v> !ping
[13:12] <imachine> if it's metallic sounds coming out of it, you're basically on your own
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> imachine: it may
[13:13] <imachine> if it's bad sectors
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> The bot is lagged :)
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> loud thunky noises bad also. :)
[13:13] <ActionParsnip> click of death
[13:13] <mac_v> damn bot is missing!
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> sparks and blue smoke is bad..
[13:13] <imachine> then you might just reformat or have whatever app there is mark those sectors as bad
[13:13] <mac_v> vigo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-disk-utility/+bug/412152
[13:13] <imachine> then it might work for a hundred more years *
[13:13] <imachine> :)
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> Segate has some tool (for windows) to do a through scan and flag bad sectors.
[13:13] <mac_v> vigo: gdu is giving false positives , first check if it is really failing
[13:13] <imachine> Dr_Willis, it's universal
[13:14] <imachine> Dr_Willis, so pretty much anything from ontrack on a bootable dos cd
[13:14] <vigo> Yes, that icon on top bar keeps saying Hard Drive is failing, I have 3 in here, I can just sledgehammer the one that is failing, but want to be certain if it is a bug or if it actually has bad or failing sectors.
[13:14] <Dr_Willis> imachine:  ive only use dit on my seagate drives. :)
[13:14] <Dr_Willis> vigo:  im pretty much convinced that  icon is over-zelous :)
[13:14] <imachine> huh
[13:14] <imachine> you're using some app
[13:14] <mac_v> vigo: it is a bug :)
[13:15] <vigo> Dr-Willis: I tend to agree
[13:15] <imachine> vigo, just test the hd with some thourough check
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> I disabled it.. got annoying - i couldent even find the proper way to tell it to quit.
[13:15] <imachine> I'd suggest something, but it's not legal afaik
[13:15] <imachine> so I won't
[13:15] <imachine> :)
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> I wonder what tools my 'system rescue live cd' has for such tasks.
[13:16] <vigo> Well now I have some code to hack! wheeeeee
[13:16] <Dr_Willis> or that gparted live cd. i  was toying with lsat week.
[13:16] <imachine> Dr_Willis, if it's the one I think of, then it has plenty
[13:16] <imachine> :-)
[13:16] <imachine> Dr_Willis, gparted is... not so hot.
[13:16] <imachine> the livecd that is.
[13:16] <Dr_Willis> i put both those on some spare flash drives for my pc toolbox.
[13:16] <Dr_Willis> I forget which one had what features. One even came with FreeDOX
[13:17] <imachine> DOX
[13:17] <imachine> :d
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> dosxxx
[13:17] <imachine> yes
[13:17] <imachine> admit it
[13:17] <imachine> it was just a scene DOX cd
[13:17] <imachine> :)
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> for those CGA games!
[13:17] <imachine> nah
[13:17] <imachine> they didn't have patches then
[13:17] <imachine> a game was either good or not
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> wowsers 120+mb of updates today for me.
[13:18] <imachine> now you purchase a program and to make it usable, download further megabytes of fixes
[13:18] <imachine> :)
[13:18] <imachine> would you imagine having need to update doom?
[13:18] <imachine> to make it playable?
[13:18] <Dr_Willis> Ive had to 'find' no-cd cracks to make games playable on my windows machines.
[13:18] <imachine> :)
[13:18] <imachine> Dr_Willis, that's a different story
[13:18] <imachine> Dr_Willis, it's similar for wine unfortunately
[13:19] <imachine> some games actually need nocd cracks.
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> This was a real game, (legally bought) on a real windows machine. :)
[13:19] <imachine> meh
[13:19] <imachine> windows is unreliable imho
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> it was in the bargin bin at least. :) $5
[13:19] <imachine> you can't trust it a lot.
[13:19]  * Dr_Willis waits for the rise of skynet.
[13:19] <imachine> you mean android?
[13:19]  * Dr_Willis for one welcomes our new silicon overlords.
[13:19] <imachine> :)
[13:20] <imachine> I like 'em natural
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> Klaxto Varado Nicto!
[13:20] <imachine> but whatever floats ya boat bro
[13:20] <imachine> :)
[13:20] <vigo> Great movie
[13:23]  * Dr_Willis bravely tests out the 'computer janitor' tool
[13:41] <Pretto> how to disable pulseaudio? pulseaudio is consuming a lot of cpu and making my system hang
[13:45] <cwillu_at_work> Pretto, pulseaudio -k will turn it off, but please (please!) spend time reporting a bug and responding to questions on it(please?)
[13:46] <cwillu_at_work> Pretto, ubuntu-bug pulseaudio
[13:46] <cwillu_at_work> in a terminal
[13:48] <Pretto> cwillu_at_work, ok, doing it
[13:49] <cwillu_at_work> thanks :)
[13:49] <Pretto> cwillu_at_work, thank you
[13:54] <mac_v> !logs
[13:58] <Pretto> cwillu_at_work, ubuntu-bug pulseaudio  started apport and it is running endless
[14:03] <cwillu_at_work> Pretto, let it run a couple minutes, I don't know offhand what info it'll be collecting for that package
[14:03] <cwillu_at_work> but if it still hasn't made any progress, then just file a bug by hand, noting that ubuntu-bug pulseaudio hung
[14:04] <cwillu_at_work> I get the feeling there's something deeper going on here though
[14:05] <Pretto> cwillu_at_work, ok, thank you
[14:07] <Pretto> cwillu_at_work,  just take a look if you have time . >> http://paste.ubuntu.com/269159/
[14:08] <cwillu_at_work> Pretto, pulseaudio -k; pulseaudio
[14:08] <cwillu_at_work> that'll run it in a terminal where you can see a little more about what it's actually doing
[14:08] <cwillu_at_work> you'll have to run it that way until you get the same problem, assuming it doesn't fail immediately
[14:14] <h00k> cwillu_at_work: I kept trying the encryption on that partition, had no luck
[14:15] <h00k> cwillu_at_work: I decided to try the latest installer, the dang ubiquity won't let me "Specify partitions manually"
[14:15] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[14:24] <nemo> uh. why did the most recent partial upgrade decide to get rid of all my gnome games?
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> nemo: maybe its a bug, reinstall them and log a bug
[14:24] <h00k> I click "Specify partitions manually" and it doesn't show me the partitioner :(
[14:28] <ActionParsnip> h00k: is this in livecd?
[14:28] <h00k> ActionParsnip: the liveUSB, yea
[14:28] <h00k> ActionParsnip: on my netbook
[14:29] <ActionParsnip> h00k: did you md5 check the iso you used? did you run the disk verifier once initially booted?
[14:29] <h00k> ActionParsnip: I can do "Erase and use entire disk" but I have 2 SSD's (8gb and 32gb) and I want / on the 8gb, /home on the 32gb
[14:29] <h00k> ActionParsnip: yeah :(
[14:30] <h00k> ActionParsnip: the last one I downloaded had the same problem
[14:30] <ActionParsnip> h00k: maybe you need some boot options
[14:30] <ActionParsnip> !bootoptions
[14:30] <h00k> I don't know why I'd need them now, I've never needed them
[14:30] <h00k> gparted shows my partitions and disk properly
[14:31] <h00k> everything works, just that one stage of the installer
[14:31] <nemo> h00k: try repartitioning the SSDs on another already installed linux machine?
[14:31] <nemo> or even an older livecd?
[14:31] <nemo> oh. wait
[14:31] <h00k> nemo: I can partition them fine,
[14:31] <nemo> your problem is it won't even let you pick partitions
[14:31] <nemo> ugh
[14:31] <h00k> Right...
[14:31] <nemo> weird
[14:32] <nemo> h00k: is there anything being printed to stderr?
[14:32] <nemo> in xession errors?
[14:32] <nemo> I assume you're using the full desktop
[14:32] <h00k> yes, where is xession errors log?
[14:32] <nemo> ~/.xsession-errors usually
[14:33] <h00k> lets see, maximus opened Ubiquity, doesn't look like any stderr, no.
[14:34] <nemo> mm
[14:34] <nemo> dmesg ? :)
[14:34] <nemo> syslog?
[14:35] <nemo> h00k: well. you could install jaunty
[14:35] <nemo> then do an upgrade from inside jaunty
[14:35] <nemo> assuming you can get this to work right in jaunty
[14:35] <nemo> sudo upgrade-manager -d
[14:35] <nemo> and all that
[14:35] <h00k> I...suppose...
[14:36] <h00k> lemme paste syslog, hang on
[14:37] <h00k> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/269174/
[14:38] <h00k> nemo: I could do that, the problem is that I want my /home encrypted, the installer has a really nice radio button for that
[14:38] <judgen> Hi i was trying to figure out why gdmsetup does not work properly and i came across this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1254018  is that accurate?
[14:38] <judgen> How do i pick theme manually if the gui way does not work.
[14:40] <h00k> nemo: I was also talking with cwillu yesterday about migrating the encryption over to the other drive (from everything being on the 8gb drive) and we couldn't get it
[14:40] <cwillu_at_work> h00k, I'm still suspecting some residual config is breaking something there, but ya
[14:41] <h00k> poo
[14:45] <h00k> baleeted all partitions, lets try this fresh
[14:46] <h00k> It does "Scanning disks"
[14:47] <h00k> and then doesn't switch to 'parted'
[14:47]  * h00k despairs
[14:48] <h00k> cwillu_at_work: let me fresh-install it, then i'll try your tip about using cryptsetup luksFormat
[14:51] <h00k> cwillu_at_work: could I initially start it off with nothing encrypted and move it over later?
[14:51] <cwillu_at_work> h00k, should be able to
[14:51] <h00k> do'ya recon? and then have it automatically do it on login like it did?
[14:51] <h00k> I'ma try that, yeah.
[15:03] <h00k> So, it is now installed, no encryption.
[15:09] <h00k> cwillu_at_work: okay, formatted with no fs specified, appears 'unknown' to gparted
[15:09] <cwillu_at_work> good
[15:09] <cwillu_at_work> now crypsetup luksFormat /dev/<sdb1 or whatever>
[15:10] <cwillu_at_work> cryptsetup rather
[15:10] <cwillu_at_work> then cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/<sdb1 or whatever> home
[15:10] <cwillu_at_work> and then you should have /dev/mapper/home, which you can create your filesystem on
[15:10] <h00k> installing cryptsetup
[15:10] <cwillu_at_work> and mount as any other device
[15:10] <duffydack> any idea if there will some better volume control app in karmic when its done?  the one there is quite useless to me.
[15:13] <h00k> cwillu_at_work: I see 32gb encrypted in nautilus, cannot mount.  it asks for password, then says 'One or more block devices are holding /dev/sdb1
[15:13] <h00k> '
[15:14] <cwillu_at_work> ignore nautilus for now
[15:14] <cwillu_at_work> have you done luksOpen yet?
[15:14] <h00k> cool.
[15:14] <h00k> yes
[15:14] <cwillu_at_work> have you made a filesystem on it yet?
[15:14] <h00k> and it 'worked'
[15:14] <h00k> doing now...
[15:14] <cwillu_at_work> after you've made the filesystem, do a cryptsetup luksClose home, and then nautilus should be able to mount it fine
[15:15] <h00k> cwillu_at_work: gparted is showing it as crypt-luks filesystem
[15:15] <cwillu_at_work> um
[15:15] <cwillu_at_work> don't do _anything_ with /dev/sdb1
[15:15] <cwillu_at_work> you make the filesystem on /dev/mapper/home
[15:15] <h00k> ooooh. okay.
[15:16] <cwillu_at_work> if you make the filesystem on /dev/sdb1, you'll blow away the encryption
[15:16] <h00k> did sudo mkfs.ext4 /dev/mapper/home
[15:17] <cwillu_at_work> good
[15:17] <cwillu_at_work> once it's finished, you should be able to mount /dev/mapper/home /mnt, as a sanity check
[15:18] <h00k> cwillu_at_work: so-far-so-good
[15:19] <cwillu_at_work> okay, umount it, and then cryptsetup luksClose home
[15:19] <cwillu_at_work> and then nautilus should be able to mount it
[15:20] <h00k> ta-da!
[15:20] <cwillu_at_work> I'm going to let you figure out the fstab end of things for yourself though, I've gotta get some work done :p
[15:20] <h00k> cwillu_at_work: I think i *should* be able to figure that out.
[15:20] <h00k> Thanks for the help.
[15:20] <cwillu_at_work> np
[15:22] <h00k> I'm gonna restart and see what happens
[15:22] <tilgovi> I'm having problems creating a karmic chroot
[15:22] <tilgovi> has anyone managed to do it recently?
[15:23] <BluesKaj> yeah, I'm having an fstab prob as well , no access or permissions , altho it's listed in dolphin/places 'df -h ' doesn't list the partition
[15:35] <h00k> yeah, I'm glad I had a backup
[15:38] <BluesKaj> sudo fdisk -l , shows the partition , so there's some hope , now i just need to figure out an entry into fstab that will work
[15:38] <h00k> oh, I need /dev/mapper/home in /etc/fstab, not the uuid
[15:39] <tilgovi> h00k: you should be able to mount it via uuid...that's how my lvm install set it up.
[15:39] <h00k> tilgovi: ah...okay.
[15:39] <natewiebe13> in add/remove, i noticed "ubuntu customization kit" is that new for karmic?
[15:40] <h00k> tilgovi: I failed, somehow, probably because I need a password to mount it.
[15:41] <tilgovi> you haven't set up a karmic chroot these days have you? debootstrap is failing miserably it seems.
[15:42] <h00k> tilgovi: are you talking to me?  if so, no, I haven't.
[15:44] <tilgovi> h00k: yeah, it was a shot in the dark, since you're the only one alive right now :)
[15:45] <h00k> :) no, I haven't
[15:46]  * h00k sighs
[15:46] <exigraff> there there
[15:46] <h00k> devkit-disks-daemon just crashed when trying to mount the encrypted partition in nautilus.
[15:46] <h00k> perhaps I should wait...until this is not in broken alpha for this, 'eh?
[15:50] <h00k> and just have Ubiquity installer do this for me.
[15:53]  * mneptok wonders what to use for IM needs today
[15:53] <h00k> mneptok: I tried Empathy, but it randomly runs/quits itself when I don't even have it running
[15:53] <h00k> mneptok: I'm back to Pidgin
[15:54] <h00k> it opens/closes itself about 5 times a second at random intervals
[15:55] <mneptok> h00k: Empathy was removed >12h ago because of lib issues. i have no IM client in a default Karmic.
[15:56] <eagles0513875> i use pidgin
[15:56] <natewiebe13> same
[15:57] <eagles0513875> you could always use an online one such as ebuddy till this is resolved
[15:59] <tilgovi> mneptok: meebo?
[16:01] <eagles0513875> !x
[16:01] <eagles0513875> wtf is the config file for x on karmic
[16:02] <tilgovi> eagles0513875: huh...I hadn't noticed it moved until just now.
[16:03] <tilgovi> I have no idea.
[16:03] <NoelJB> mac_v, I show that libsatasmart4 should have been fixed in August.  If not, we need to understand which tool is issuing the erroneous report.
[16:05] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875:  xorg.conf is rudimentary on karmic ..practically useless to edit
[16:05] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[16:05] <mac_v> NoelJB: hm... something crazy about the whole thing :(
[16:05] <eagles0513875> what is there to edit the xorg config
[16:08] <h00k>  /etc/X11/xorg.config ?
[16:08] <malnilion> eagles0513875, what are you trying to accomplish?
[16:08] <tilgovi> eagles0513875: ha... malnilion jsut beat me to it
[16:08] <NoelJB> mac_v, possibly.  I need to find a drive where I can reproduce the problem.  And I need to have some time.  But from what I can see, LP tried to fix it in 0.14-1, which we should have in karmic.
[16:10] <benste> so here who's working for cannonical ?
[16:11] <h00k> I wish ^.^
[16:11] <benste> why ?
[16:11] <cwillu_at_work> h00k, can you do me a favour?
[16:12] <h00k> cwillu_at_work: sure
[16:12] <h00k> s/sure/most likely
[16:12] <cwillu_at_work> h00k, open a gedit window (applications | accessories | text editor)
[16:12] <h00k> benste: I wish I did
[16:12] <cwillu_at_work> h00k, type some random junk into that text editor
[16:12] <benste> :-) so you're not working ?
[16:12] <h00k> cwillu_at_work: yeah...
[16:12] <cwillu_at_work> h00k, open a terminal window
[16:12] <cwillu_at_work> h00k, and then click in the text area of that window
[16:13] <cwillu_at_work> of the editor, rather
[16:13] <cwillu_at_work> and tell me whether each time you click in the edit area, the text jumps to the right slightly and back
[16:14] <h00k> cwillu_at_work: not that I'm noticing
[16:14] <cwillu_at_work> >:(
[16:14] <cwillu_at_work> it's driving me insane here :(
[16:14] <h00k> cwillu_at_work: I've seen OpenOffice adjust line-by-line on documents before, but not this...:(
[16:14] <cwillu_at_work> it's not adjusting anything, it's a graphical glitch
[16:14] <h00k> drivers?
[16:15] <cwillu_at_work> no, gtkedit
[16:15] <cwillu_at_work> it's a widget error, nothing to do with the video drivers
[16:15] <h00k> I mean,ah
[16:15] <h00k> yeah, gedit isn't doing it for me
[16:15] <cwillu_at_work> hmm
[16:15] <cwillu_at_work> in gedit, go to documents - new window
[16:15] <cwillu_at_work> or rather, open a second gedit document, and move it to a new window
[16:16] <cwillu_at_work> you should see the glitch when you switch back and forth by click in the edit area
[16:16] <cwillu_at_work> s/click/clicking
[16:16] <malnilion> cwillu_at_work, I'm noticing it as well
[16:17] <malnilion> cwillu_at_work, you're not crazy :P
[16:17] <h00k> OH I see it
[16:17] <h00k> I needed more lines
[16:17] <h00k> yes.
[16:17] <cwillu_at_work> oh, goodie
[16:17] <h00k> I didn't notice it until I had more lines in the editor
[16:17] <malnilion> h00k, me neither
[16:18] <cwillu_at_work> could I get you guys to "me too" on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/402967?
[16:18] <cwillu_at_work> or on the gnome bug linked there, rather
[16:18] <h00k> you got it
[16:18] <cwillu_at_work> there was a question of reproducability, the people involved weren't inclined to try very hard :p
[16:19] <cwillu_at_work> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/402967
[16:19] <cwillu_at_work> ugh
[16:19] <cwillu_at_work> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=589382
[16:19] <malnilion> cwillu_at_work, I should note that it didn't happen every time I did it and it can be hard to see if you're not looking for it.
[16:19] <cwillu_at_work> malnilion, it's very noticable once you're working with text documents
[16:19] <BluesKaj> ok, fstab / ntfs access prob solved..followed a relatively old tutorial , but it worked like a charm,  http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3091661.0...gonna bookmark this gem
[16:20] <cwillu_at_work> every time you click to select something, it jitters
[16:20] <malnilion> Huh, now that you mention it...
[16:20] <malnilion> You don't even have to switch windows.
[16:21] <h00k> cwillu_at_work: commented on both threads
[16:21] <cwillu_at_work> thanks :)
[16:29] <NoelJB> mac_v, if I can get a drive that reproduces the problem, I may assign that bug report to myself.
[16:29] <mac_v> nice :)
[16:44] <eagles0513875> malnilion: in response to ur question earlier im just trying to see the xorg.conf to see whats in it as i am studying for part to of my lpic-1 certification and am currently reading about configuring basic x features
[16:52] <tilgovi> anyone figure out a way to deal with ecryptfs and schroot? I've installed ecryptfs-utils in my chroot but a simple ecryptfs-mount-private within doesn't work.
[16:52] <malnilion> eagles0513875, I see, I bet you could find a legacy xorg.conf file out there somewhere :p
[16:53] <malnilion> Off to buy a router.
[16:53] <eagles0513875> heheh probably can malnilion
[16:53] <eagles0513875> would like to familiarize myself with its replacement thoug
[16:53] <eagles0513875> though
[16:54] <shadeslayer> where does kdebluetooth store files transferred over bluetooth?
[16:55] <debfx> shadeslayer: $HOME afaik
[16:55] <shadeslayer> nope.... not there
[16:56] <debfx> maybe it didn't transfer the file
[16:56] <debfx> at least it wasn't working very stable for me
[16:57] <shadeslayer> heh
[16:58] <shadeslayer> debfx: my phone sent it.... it shows receiving.... but doesnt show where it kept the file :P
[16:59] <Michalxo> hello! notifications updates! :)  did they moved it below on purpose? :) I see it like 1st bubble is missing, or is it a feature? :)
[17:00] <debfx> shadeslayer: bug #334136
[17:00] <NoelJB> eagles0513875, good luck, but FWIW, many of us have little respect for LPI certs -- RedHat's are much better.  Not that it is about RedHat, but the difference in the nature of the test (measuring memorization vs measuring ability).
[17:01] <shadeslayer> ouch...
[17:01] <eagles0513875> lpi cert = general cert though
[17:01]  * BluesKaj waits for the offtopic police
[17:01] <eagles0513875> hell if i want to after doing these go for an ubuntu cert
[17:02] <eagles0513875> anywho
[17:02] <eagles0513875> i need to reboot
[17:02] <eagles0513875> passing lpi101 and me being just  a student its not easy when you dont have anything to admin and apply the stuff on NoelJB
[17:02] <NoelJB> eagles0513875, I know.  That's the shame about the RH certs.  They are better tests, but not RH targeted.  Oh well.
[17:02] <eagles0513875> a cert is a cert man
[17:03] <shadeslayer> debfx: thanks for the heads up ;)
[17:03] <eagles0513875> unless u have something to use it for like a server environment its not easy to pass specially in my case
[17:03] <eagles0513875> anywho
[17:03] <eagles0513875> must reboot now
[17:04] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875:  someone always has a "better idea" , go with what you think is right.
[17:28] <Jack`> hi, after I upgraded to karmic, i saw that my sound doesn't works IN MOVIES, only in xmms and other apps :| what can I do to it work ?
[17:30] <shadeslayer> Jack`: um,what backend? pulse audio?
[17:30] <Jack`> shadeslayer, how can I find that ?
[17:30] <Jack`> to tell you
[17:31] <shadeslayer> Jack`: are you using ubuntu or kubuntu?
[17:31] <Jack`> shadeslayer, kubuntu
[17:31] <shadeslayer> Jack`: ok then its xine
[17:31] <Jack`> guess so ..
[17:32] <shadeslayer> Jack`: you have the restricted formats package and everything up date right?
[17:32] <Jack`> Yep
[17:32] <Jack`> Before I upgraded to 9.10, sound in movies worked just fine. but now, they doesn
[17:32] <Jack`> doesn't *
[17:33] <shadeslayer> Jack`: go to K > System Settings > Multimedia > <select your audio card to the the top>
[17:33] <shadeslayer> for eg : i have STAC92xx at the top
[17:34] <Jack`> Done
[17:34] <shadeslayer> Jack`: now test the sound
[17:35] <shadeslayer> Jack`: works?
[17:35] <Jack`> shadeslayer, I have many audio outputs there.
[17:35] <Jack`> Music, Videos, Notifications, Communications, should i test on Video button ?
[17:35] <shadeslayer> Jack`: how many audio cards do you have?
[17:35] <Jack`> Just 1
[17:35] <debfx> is it just me or is it currently impossible to debootsrap karmic?
[17:35] <shadeslayer> oh that.... yes
[17:36] <Jack`> CMI9761
[17:36] <Jack`> shadeslayer, it's working .. :)
[17:36] <shadeslayer> Jack`: can you hear sound coming out of the speaker in the video part of multimedia settings?
[17:36] <Jack`> Yes.
[17:37] <shadeslayer> Jack`: that probably means your player isnt properly configured
[17:37] <shadeslayer> Jack`: what media player?
[17:37] <Jack`> shadeslayer, it worked before I upgraded to 9.10
[17:37] <Jack`> VLC Media Player
[17:37] <Jack`> And Movie Player
[17:37] <Jack`> And kaffeine
[17:37] <Jack`> nothing works with sound
[17:38] <shadeslayer> Jack`: and theres no sound in any of them? 8-O
[17:38] <Jack`> No sound.
[17:38] <shadeslayer> Jack`: please pastebin the output of aplay -l
[17:38] <shadeslayer> Jack`: ill have to search for bug reports,i cant think of anything else
[17:39] <Jack`> ok..
[17:40] <Jack`> http://pastebin.com/m3407a8b0
[17:43] <NoelJB> shadeslayer, I've seen issues where I just needed to go in with alsamixer and retweak the config.
[17:44] <shadeslayer> NoelJB: if you can help please do so...
[17:44] <Jack`> NoelJB, how ca I do that .. ?
[17:44] <shadeslayer> im currently searching for bug reports
[17:46] <shadeslayer> Jack`: also try alsamixer in a konsole and set everything to high,then open kmix > Select all channels > Set everything to high
[17:48] <Jack`> shadeslayer, it's already set to high ..
[17:48] <shadeslayer> Jack`: i cant find anything about your card,im sorry i cant help any further
[17:49] <Jack`> ok..
[17:49] <Jack`> I have another question thought
[17:49] <shadeslayer> sure
[17:49] <Jack`> I have a 5.1 Home Cinema, why doesn't works all channels ? I already set to 6 channels
[17:49] <Jack`> on xxms works just 2
[17:50] <shadeslayer> Jack`: did you have a look at !sound?
[17:50] <shadeslayer> !sound | Jack`
[17:50] <shadeslayer> brb
[17:56] <NoelJB> shadeslayer, sorry, was AFK.
[17:58] <NoelJB> looks like ubottu doesn't know about karmic.  those instructions don't match.
[18:00] <shadeslayer> NoelJB: the wiki hasnt been updated
[18:00] <DKcross> I cant hear!
[18:00] <DKcross> PUlse audio is broken!
[18:00] <DKcross> :\
[18:00] <NoelJB> eXtreme, if you go to Applications->Sound & Video->PulseAudio Volume Control ... (a) is it there?  (b) what do you see under Output Devices?
[18:03] <eXtreme> NoelJB, PulseAudio is there, but if i'm testing, it doesn't work
[18:03] <eXtreme> I can't hear anything
[18:05] <DKcross> eXtreme,  me too man!
[18:06] <Pici> We don't update ubottu's factoids until the release is actually well, released.
[18:06] <eXtreme> funny that my sound works in xmms, but not in movies
[18:06] <DKcross> I think the problem is the new option applications
[18:07] <NoelJB> do you see anything under Output Devices?  What do the sliders say?  And under the sliders .. under where it says "Silence" and "Max" is a dynamic display of the currently played volume.
[18:08] <NoelJB> I was just testing it with VLC to generate a screencap in case I needed to show you.
[18:09] <eXtreme> NoelJB, under Output Devices I have submenus : Notifications, Music, Videos ,etc.
[18:09] <NoelJB> Pici, might actually help to have separate factoids for release and +1.
[18:10] <eXtreme> at every menu I have 3 devices : VIA 8237 with CMI9761A+ ;  VIA 8237 with CMI9761A+ #1 ; and PulseAudio
[18:10] <DKcross> eXtreme,
[18:10] <DKcross> ye
[18:10] <DKcross> i fix my problem
[18:10] <NoelJB> eXtreme, really? are we looking at the same program?
[18:10] <Pici> NoelJB: While we can make channel specific factoids, there isn't an easy way to move them around, we'd have to manually touch all of them come release day.
[18:10] <DKcross> eXtreme,  i dont know if you configure alsamixer
[18:11] <eXtreme> NoelJB, I have kubuntu here..
[18:11] <DKcross> eXtreme,  open terminal and write alsamixer
[18:11] <NoelJB> eXtreme, Ah!
[18:11] <DKcross> and up  volumen in all
[18:11] <eXtreme> I did this already
[18:11] <NoelJB> DKcross, alsamixer fixed it for you?
[18:11] <Mike1> hey
[18:11] <Pici> Or at least there isn't a way yet.
[18:11] <Mike1> how can i use something like eee-control under Karmic?
[18:11] <DKcross> yes
[18:12] <Mike1> just want to control my EeePC1005HA-M a little bit :-)
[18:12] <NoelJB> Pici, bummer.  that would make it easier during the constant 6 month rolling dev cycle, and also ON release day.
[18:12] <DKcross> jono,  yeah good music man!!!:D
[18:12] <DKcross> now my karmic work nice :p
[18:12] <DKcross> i listening "severedfifth-deniedbyreign-beatingheart"
[18:13] <Mike1> btw.: my nautilus crashed today because i removed a USB-Stick while still being "in" it with Nautilus
[18:13] <Mike1> guten Tag Frickelpit
[18:13] <NoelJB> eXtreme, I only have Kubuntu in a virtual machine, and audio worked a treat out-of-the-box.  But that's not the same environment.
[18:14] <eXtreme> :)
[18:14] <NoelJB> eXtreme, there are some changes in the audio-dev ppa, but I don't know if any would help.
[18:14] <eXtreme> i selected ALSA mixer in VLC too.
[18:14] <Frickelpit> hi Mike1
[18:14] <eXtreme> still doesn't work
[18:14] <DKcross> eXtreme, in terminal configure alsamixer
[18:15] <DKcross> and dont changer to alsamixer at  vlc
[18:15] <NoelJB> eXtreme, if you're interested: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/ppa
[18:15] <duffydack> I tried karmic liveusb and my sound isnt at all the same as it is in jaunty.  The only outputs that work are the ones labelled "amplified" and by hell they are..  the slightest volume increase and it will break my laptop speakers.
[18:15] <eXtreme> ok.
[18:15] <NoelJB> and it sounds as if DKcross knows KDE :-)
[18:15] <jono> DKcross, nice! :)
[18:16] <DKcross> :D heavy rock
[18:16] <DKcross> NoelJB,  sorry, i'm using gnome
[18:16] <NoelJB> DKcross, same here
[18:17] <DKcross> ?
[18:18] <Mike1> nobody here using Karmic and an EeePC?
[18:18] <DKcross> no, sorry, no me. i am using acer aspire one :)
[18:18] <malnilion> Mike1, I am, actually.
[18:18] <NoelJB> FWIW, I just changed VLC to use default.  It selected ALSA instead of PA, although that ends up going through PA's ALSA plug-in.
[18:19] <NoelJB> I'm monitoring it on the playback tab of the PA volume control.
[18:19] <Mike1> malnilion: and how do you set fanspeeds etc.? or do you not want to do that?
[18:20] <malnilion> Mike1, you can do that stuff in windows?  I don't really get that much into my hardware.
[18:20] <eXtreme> nothing ..
[18:21] <Mike1> malnilion: you can also do it with Linux ;-)
[18:21] <shadeslayer> Mike1: only if the programme you use supports it
[18:21] <shadeslayer> for eg : i8kfangui
[18:21] <shadeslayer> !i8kfangui
[18:22] <shadeslayer> bah
[18:22] <Mike1> sure, but EeePC is quite well supported, eee-control, eee-applet etc.
[18:22] <Mike1> the problem is just to get them running ;-)
[18:23] <Mike1> i think the special array-kernel is not new enough for my EeePC
[18:24] <DKcross> eXtreme,  whats up?
[18:25] <Mike1> *running under Karmic
[18:26] <NoelJB> eXtreme, OK, I'm looking at Kubuntu 9.10, but not sure what to tell you.  When I right click on the volume control it lets me bring up a Mixer window.  From that, if I ask for H/W info, it tells me about ALSA+OSS.  Doesn
[18:26] <NoelJB> 't even mention PA.
[18:27] <Pici> I didn't think Kubuntu used pulse.
[18:27] <shadeslayer> it uses phonon
[18:27] <shadeslayer> and xine
[18:28] <NoelJB> Pici, interesting.  Because eXtreme is using Kubuntu.
[18:28] <Pici> NoelJB: In at least Jaunty it used phonon
[18:28] <Pici> But I'm a gnome user, so what do I know.
[18:28] <shadeslayer> Pici: it uses xine+phonon in karmic too
[18:28] <NoelJB> Pici, you're probably right.  I just did a dpkg -l and PA isn't present.
[18:30] <shadeslayer> hmm : rc  pulseaudio                           1:0.9.16~test6-3-g57e1-0ubuntu2            PulseAudio sound server
[18:30] <shadeslayer> thats on kubuntu karmic
[18:30] <NoelJB> rc means not there.
[18:31] <shadeslayer> NoelJB: yep
[18:31] <NoelJB> mine does have ii  libpulse0                            1:0.9.16-0ubuntu1 but I haven't looked to see what caused that to be loaded.
[18:31] <NoelJB> that's just a client lib.
[18:32] <malnilion> Mike1, out of curiosity, what wireless card do you have?
[18:33] <Mike1> malnilion: Atheros AR9285
[18:33] <kavurt> today's updates removed skype from the system in Kubuntu Karmic. does anyone have an idea what's going on?
[18:33] <NoelJB> kavurt, no, BUT you might consider installing the new Skype directly.
[18:33] <malnilion> Mike1, and do you or have you had any wifi issues with it?
[18:33] <NoelJB> Much better than old skype.
[18:34] <shadeslayer> NoelJB: new skype?
[18:34] <shadeslayer> this might just stop me from crossing over to arch
[18:34] <NoelJB> Skype 2.1 Beta.
[18:34] <Mike1> malnilion: not with Karmic
[18:34] <Mike1> malnilion: works perfect
[18:35] <Mike1> malnilion: but with older kernels you have to compile the drivers or something like that
[18:35] <malnilion> Mike1, mine's incredibly flaky, it constantly drops
[18:36] <Mike1> malnilion: mine worked bad in school today, but that was because of too many people and bad connection
[18:36] <kavurt> thanks NoelJB, I'm downloading it. I didn't know that there's a new skype
[18:37] <NoelJB> kavurt, no worries :-)
[18:38] <NoelJB> the packaging request is bug 422661
[18:38] <NoelJB> so it should be in medibuntu now.
[18:43] <Mike1> eeepc-acpi-scripts requires acpi-support-base which is not in the repos
[18:43] <Mike1> strange thing?
[18:43] <wamty> 9.10 is stable ?
[18:44] <shadeslayer> wamty: nope
[18:44] <shadeslayer> wamty: see /topic
[18:44] <shadeslayer> also
[18:44] <shadeslayer> !stable | wamty
[18:45] <wamty> if you run an update-manager -d ?
[18:45] <shadeslayer> wamty: you update to karmic
[18:45] <wamty> it will give you the option to move to 9.10
[18:45] <shadeslayer> yes
[18:45] <shadeslayer> wamty: which is a alpha release
[18:48] <wamty> ty
[18:48] <eXtreme> NoelJB, if i right-click volume control, i can adjust all of them, but still doesn't work sound in mouvies.
[18:48] <eXtreme> this is annoying already
[18:48] <wamty> thnx for correcting me and showing me the nuance
[18:48] <NoelJB> eXtreme, does sound work otherwise?
[18:48] <eXtreme> NoelJB, yes.
[18:49] <NoelJB> eXtreme, OK, so it sounds (no pun intended) as if audio is working, but something is whacked with playing movies.
[18:49] <eXtreme> sound works in xmms just perfect just work ONLY in 2 channels. and I have a 5.1 sound system
[18:49] <shadeslayer> NoelJB: same problem as yours?
[18:49] <NoelJB> shadeslayer, sound works fine for me.
[18:49] <shadeslayer> oh... it was jack
[18:49] <wamty> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-5/ i'm downloading this now
[18:50] <NoelJB> shadeslayer, jack == extreme
[18:50] <eXtreme> yeah.
[18:50] <shadeslayer> yeah,i just scrolled back ;)
[18:50] <wamty> with this image if i put it on my flash drive will i be able to install it from windows?
[18:51] <wamty> So?
[18:51] <eXtreme> I will try to re-install VLC Media Player and configuration and see if this works
[18:51] <eXtreme> brb couple of hrs.
[18:51] <eXtreme> :)
[18:52] <shadeslayer> eXtreme: use --purge ;)
[18:55] <eXtreme> shadeslayer, not synaptic ?
[18:56] <shadeslayer> eXtreme: sudo apt-get --purge vlc : removes config files as well
[18:57] <eXtreme> ok.. thanks :)
[18:57] <NoelJB> shadeslayer, do you know if there is an easy way to get karmic to "reinstall" itself?  I'm currently on a karmic upgraded from jaunty, and I see differences compared to a different, clean, install.
[18:58] <eXtreme> shadeslayer
[18:58] <eXtreme> jack@Jack:~$ sudo apt-get --purge vlc
[18:58] <eXtreme> E: Operatiune invalidã vlc
[18:58] <eXtreme> Invalid operation ?
[18:59] <NoelJB> eXtreme, sudo apt-get remove --purge vlc
[18:59] <eXtreme> oh.. :D
[18:59] <NoelJB> or just apt-get purge vlc
[18:59] <eXtreme> works now :)
[19:00] <Pici> NoelJB: Thats not a valid option for apt-get, aptitude does have it though.
[19:01] <eXtreme> still doesn't work ..
[19:02] <shadeslayer> eXtreme: forgot to add remove....
[19:02] <NoelJB> Pici, really?  it is in the man page.  I don't have anything I want to purge at the moment.  I often use dpkg --purge to remove things in "rc" state.
[19:03] <Pici> NoelJB: Oh, looks like you're right.  it isn't in zsh's completion for some reason.
[19:04] <NoelJB> eXtreme, what doesn't work?
[19:05] <wamty> I didn't mean 9.10 is the stable
[19:05] <wamty> I meant 9.10 is stable
[19:05] <wamty> my friend has been using it and he got no problem
[19:07] <wamty> ?
[19:07] <shadeslayer> wamty: did really see !stable?
[19:08] <wamty> what?
[19:08] <shadeslayer> !stable > wamty
[19:08] <wamty> it is stable enough to run on serveral of my desktop and its not like they "crash" for no apparent reason. so its 'fairly' stable.
[19:09] <NoelJB> for me it is *far* more stable than the entirely unstable jaunty.
[19:09] <dotblank> Karmic is looking pretty stable
[19:10] <dotblank> I have a few issues though
[19:10] <dotblank> like it is stable with issues buts not unstable without issues
[19:10] <shadeslayer> wamty: 1)Karmic is not for production use,it is still in testing
[19:11] <shadeslayer> wamty: 2)Use it only if you can fix things with little help
[19:11] <shadeslayer> wamty: 3)Stable for other people is not the same as stable for you
[19:11] <DopeGhoti> !stable > DopeGhoti
[19:11] <dotblank> !stable
[19:12] <dotblank> man i keep getting updates in the amount 212 packages every day...
[19:14] <shadeslayer> dotblank: good thing or bad thing?
[19:14] <blackxored> anyone has installed alpha 5 in vmware server 2, I got this squashfs error
[19:15] <blackxored> the md5 of the iso is fine, so is the cd check on the boot menu, dunno what's failing
[19:15] <zaccour> which array kernel should i use? there isn't one for karmic yet
[19:16] <zaccour> any ideas?
[19:18] <dotblank> shadeslayer, good thing
[19:18] <billybigrigger> anyone having a problem killing pulseaudio today?
[19:19] <dotblank> frist upgraded lots of stuff were broken but now its starting to fit together nicely.. just got a gdm update and cant wait to see the chanegs
[19:19] <dotblank> billybigrigger, no?
[19:21] <billybigrigger> $ killall pulseaudio isn't doing FA today for some reason
[19:22] <billybigrigger> i'm wondering if its because of the audio dev teams PPA i'm using :(
[19:22] <billybigrigger> pulseaudio:
[19:22] <billybigrigger>   Installed: 1:0.9.17-0ubuntu1~ubuntuaudiodev2
[19:22] <dotblank> yea im using PA's ppa
[19:22] <billybigrigger> hmmm
[19:23] <dotblank> whats the latest kernel/
[19:23] <dotblank> 2.6.31?
[19:23] <billybigrigger> Linux cabo 2.6.31-10-generic #30-Ubuntu SMP Tue Sep 8 12:32:38 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:23] <billybigrigger> yeah, and it's final
[19:24] <billybigrigger> well ubuntu kernel team might push another one out
[19:24] <billybigrigger> but 2.6.31 will be in karmic
[19:24] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[19:26] <ActionParsnip> is vlc ever gonna get to a point where if I dont have a bew ~/.pulse folder it doesnt skip and jitter??
[19:27] <billybigrigger> vlc/pulse play good together here
[19:27] <bucky> linux-image-2.6.31-10-generic <- is that the stable version from kernel.org  it just updated again today
[19:27] <dotblank> whoa I dont remember vlc having PA
[19:28] <dotblank> well im about to reboot into it
[19:28] <ActionParsnip> billybigrigger: i have to delette ~/.vlc then kil pulse off, then rerun then its fine
[19:28] <billybigrigger> ActionParsnip, killing pulseaudio fixes all my problems
[19:28] <dotblank> see you all in kernel 2.6.31-10
[19:28] <billybigrigger> never had to delete .vlc
[19:29] <billybigrigger> ActionParsnip, what do you have your output set to
[19:29] <billybigrigger> ?
[19:30] <ActionParsnip> sorry, not /vlc  ~/.pulse
[19:30] <ActionParsnip> billybigrigger: how can i check please?
[19:31] <billybigrigger> in vlc, Tools>Preferences>Audio and Output
[19:31] <ActionParsnip> output = default
[19:31] <billybigrigger> same here
[19:31] <billybigrigger> what version of PA?
[19:31] <billybigrigger> tried the audio dev's PA PPA?
[19:32] <ActionParsnip> i'm on vlc-1.0.1-2ubuntu1
[19:32] <ActionParsnip> not tried the dev ppa
[19:32] <dotblank> ok
[19:32] <dotblank> that was disaster
[19:32] <dotblank> 21-10
[19:32] <xhatman> hey! when I click on the files/icons in cairo-dock stacks (icons are all question marks btw) they won't open.. i'm on kde.. any ideas?
[19:32] <billybigrigger> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/ppa
[19:33] <billybigrigger> dotblank, what's wrong with .31-10?
[19:33] <dotblank> 31-10 was completely broken for me.. grub wont even load it
[19:33] <billybigrigger> what's the error
[19:33] <dotblank> invalid format
[19:33] <dotblank> on ext4 btw
[19:33] <billybigrigger> $ sudo update-grub
[19:33] <dotblank> but I was able to boot up -9 fine
[19:34] <ActionParsnip> billybigrigger: ok new pulse in
[19:35] <billybigrigger> ActionParsnip, $ killall pulseaudio
[19:35] <dotblank> trying another reboot
[19:35] <billybigrigger> watch your speaker in the tray
[19:35] <billybigrigger> it should disappear in about 5 secs and reappear, then pulse has been restarted
[19:35] <ActionParsnip> billybigrigger: started it myself
[19:35] <ActionParsnip> ;)
[19:35] <ActionParsnip> i'll keep an eye on it
[19:36] <ActionParsnip> thanks for the ppa duder
[19:36] <billybigrigger> what does vlc do now?
[19:36] <billybigrigger> hope it helped
[19:36] <ActionParsnip> yeah seems ok but we'll see how it runs over time
[19:36] <ActionParsnip> vlc + g1 phone = winner
[19:37] <billybigrigger> running karmic on your g1?
[19:38] <ActionParsnip> no, vlc has a hhtp interface the g1 can talk to#
[19:38] <BluesKaj> I'm getting a message that init isn't unmounting my ntfs partition correctly when I shut down , therefore I have sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/windows after every boot , it's not a serious problem but it's annoying just the same ...any suggestions ?
[19:38] <billybigrigger> ahhh
[19:38] <ActionParsnip> as does transmission
[19:38] <dotblank> well
[19:38] <dotblank> that did nothing
[19:38] <ActionParsnip> i can click a torrent ni the g1 browser and it will load the client and tell my fileserver to start downloading it
[19:38] <dotblank> says invalid format or or is not executable
[19:38] <billybigrigger> ActionParsnip, nice :P i need a phone haha
[19:39] <ActionParsnip> get one, its awesome
[19:39] <billybigrigger> i payed off my cellphone and laptop wireless card contracts this winter
[19:39] <billybigrigger> as i knew i wouldnt have a job this summer and couldnt pay the bills
[19:40] <billybigrigger> i'm thinking an HTC Hero with karmic on it will be my next phone :)
[19:42]  * billybigrigger starts reading....
[19:42] <billybigrigger> i don't think you can install linux on those HTC hero's/g2's
[19:42] <billybigrigger> :(
[19:49] <dotblank> hmm why does linux image package depend on 2.6.31.10.21 when that does not exist but 2.6.31.32 does
[20:00] <dotblank> ok
[20:01] <dotblank> something
[20:01] <dotblank> is not right
[20:01] <dotblank> grub is acting crazy
[20:01] <dotblank> it wont even chainload grub2
[20:01] <dotblank> says ivalid format
[20:08] <billybigrigger> dotblank, how did you go about installing grub2?
[20:08] <billybigrigger> did you upgrade from jaunty to karmic? or a fresh install of karmic?
[20:08] <dotblank> jaunty to karmic
[20:08] <billybigrigger> and did you follow the upgrade procedures?
[20:08] <billybigrigger> !grub2
[20:09] <billybigrigger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Installing%20(Ubuntu%209.04+)
[20:09] <ActionParsnip> grub2 is a pita
[20:09] <arand> dotblank: you have grub1 left? How exactly are you chainloading grub2 from grub legacy?
[20:09] <billybigrigger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover%20Grub%202%20via%20LiveCD
[20:10] <dotblank> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Grub2Testing
[20:10] <billybigrigger> ^^^ if you think grub2 is fubar'd, pop in a livecd and recover it
[20:10] <arand> ActionParsnip: pita bread with filling indeed, yummy but messy.
[20:10] <ActionParsnip> haha
[20:10] <ActionParsnip> you not familiar with pita?
[20:11] <malnilion> I believe it was an intended joke :P
[20:11]  * arand tries to muffle the sound of wikipedia
[20:11] <dotblank> like this is messed up why would grub start locking me out from loading anything recent
[20:11] <dotblank> I think it has to do with my grub not supporting extents or something
[20:11] <dotblank> recently upgraded to ext4
[20:12] <ActionParsnip> upgrades to ext4 dont get the full benefit of ext4
[20:12] <dotblank> I did not go over my FS and add extents to anything.. only newer files would have them. this might be why grub is failing to load my kernel
[20:34] <duffydack> dist-upgraded karmic from fresh install and I get grub error, something about a pointer... i`m guessing its pointing to the wrong hd(x,x) or something.  but there was no menu.lst to edit (what??) I gave up as I cant be bothered.
[20:34] <duffydack> restored system to pre-karmic.
[20:34] <darkham> how can i look changes in daily live'
[20:34] <darkham> ?
[20:36] <darkham> someone?
[20:36] <cwillu_at_work> duffydack, dist-upgrade as in apt-get dist-upgrade?
[20:37] <duffydack> yes.  with new kernel
[20:37] <cwillu_at_work> duffydack, that's not a good way to upgrade, it's preferable to use update-manager -c -d
[20:37] <duffydack> dist-upgraded karmic from fresh install
[20:37] <cwillu_at_work> or you mean from a fresh karmic
[20:37] <duffydack> as I said.
[20:37] <duffydack> I gave up, I dont have time to fix problems like that tonight.
[20:37] <cwillu_at_work> grub2 is used by default for new installs now, does things differently from the old grub
[20:38] <cwillu_at_work> /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub/* are the relevant config files
[20:38] <duffydack> I`m not too impressed with audio system in karmic either.  if thats how it is i`ll stay with jaunty.
[20:38] <duffydack> cwillu_at_work, thanks, now I know at least.
[20:39] <duffydack> was a little slower to boot as well.  apart from those things, it seemed quite quick.
[20:41] <darkham> i hope developers think about somthing like that http://www.youtube.com/user/madsrosendahl#play/uploads/7/Oh6-uhGvBIY
[20:42] <ActionParsnip> darkham: nice
[20:43] <ActionParsnip> darkham: wish my system booted that fast
[20:43] <darkham> will be great
[20:43] <darkham> do you like it?
[20:44] <ActionParsnip> darkham: if you like gloss, yeah. i remove all bootsplashes and have the text scrolling of services loading
[20:45] <darkham> yes, when i want it, i press keys for it
[20:45] <darkham> stuff like that, isn't expensive of time
[20:46] <darkham> and would make a great image
[20:47] <darkham> i know , many things are light-years more important
[20:48] <darkham> but, whats would be the problem?
[20:50] <ActionParsnip> could use an animated gif as the background and have them supported by the bootloader
[20:51] <MenZa> http://www.youtube.com/user/madsrosendahl#play/uploads/7/Oh6-uhGvBIY <- ...wow.
[20:51] <MenZa> Slightly Win7-y, but still awesome
[20:52] <duffydack> I want it to boot, not watch it booting
[20:52] <duffydack> I wanna blink and miss it
[20:52] <duffydack> lol
[20:52] <MenZa> :P
[20:54] <cwillu_at_work> mvo, why isn't "Edit" one of the options when dealing with a config file conflict?
[20:55] <cwillu_at_work> It's really frustrating to see the new changes side by side with my non-conflicting changes, knowing that I have to blow mine away and edit the mess after
[20:59] <ActionParsnip> cwillu_at_work: +1
[21:04] <andresmh> the LED that indicates "sound muted" stopped working since yesterday/today's update. I have no idea which package to report this to... do you?
[21:06] <cwillu_at_work> mvo, I've just received the much-feared ActionParsnip-plus-one :p
[21:07] <BUGabundo> guud evening kids
[21:07]  * BUGabundo pokes the friendly cwillu_at_work
[21:07] <ActionParsnip> cwillu_at_work: hehe
[21:08]  * cwillu_at_work is poked
[21:11] <shadeslayer> :yawn:
[21:12]  * BUGabundo serves a coffee to shadeslayer
[21:14]  * shadeslayer adds more caffiene to coffee
[21:14] <shadeslayer> even my internet connection needs some
[21:14] <NoelJB> mac_v, I am looking at the code.  Will have to stop soon, but done a preliminary review as to why LP's change had no effect.  DZ said that libatasmart was used indirectly, and that libatasmart was picky.  Well, sort of ...  libatasmart is used indirectly, reports the facts, but it appears that the calls that address (overall) status are being ignored in terms of generating the warning.  Just a quick status update.
[21:15]  * shadeslayer wonders what the karmic gods have in store for the future
[21:16] <shadeslayer> rain gods are acting up today...... raining continuously for the past 36 hrs
[21:16] <dotblank> darkham, holy sh*t thats awesome
[21:17] <darkham> dotblank: i'm hoping
[21:17] <darkham> hope it's the last thing to die....
[21:18] <darkham> :)
[21:18] <dotblank> like I want that now
[21:18] <dotblank> did you make the animation
[21:18]  * shadeslayer looks around..... whats happening?
[21:18] <mac_v> NoelJB: thanks for looking into this :)
[21:19] <darkham> not, i'm not the author
[21:20] <dotblank> would be cool if alsa was up and running during that splash
[21:21] <dotblank> play some cool sound
[21:21] <dotblank> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh6-uhGvBIY
[21:21] <mac_v> NoelJB: but looking at the git code you had linked it seems to assume that the threshold is fixed at 30? why is that?
[21:21] <mac_v> the threshold for different drives varies , like for my drive it is 50
[21:23] <dotblank> I like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlCVrtgxVcI&hl=en&fs=1&hd=1
[21:23] <dotblank> but it reminds me of windows 7
[21:23] <mac_v> dotblank: why do you want to be reminded of wni7 ;p
[21:23] <dotblank> I dont
[21:23] <dotblank> I think its too similar
[21:23] <mac_v> exactly , so you shouldnt like it ;)
[21:30]  * BUGabundo stupid 3G
[21:30] <cwillu_at_work> brb
[21:32] <eXtreme> shadeslayer, if I re-install audio driver will work ? :-s
[21:33] <mac_v> eXtreme: reinstall of the OS? o.0
[21:33] <shadeslayer> eXtreme: no idea.... try googling around your audio chipset+ubuntu....
[21:33] <eXtreme> mac_v, no.. just audio driver.
[21:34] <eXtreme> cause I can't hear anything in the movies ..
[21:34] <mac_v> hehe , the lack of punctuation made it confusing , but :)
[21:35] <shadeslayer> mac_v: he can hear sound via his speakers but not in movies o.0
[21:36] <eXtreme> LOL ! shadeslayer, the sound works in kaffeine now :s
[21:36] <eXtreme> at movies
[21:37] <BUGabundo> Need to get 245MB of archives. After unpacking 8741kB will be freed.
[21:37] <mac_v> heh , i had the similar problem once , in gnome , purged my config and had to reboot o.0 , killing PA didnt restore either
[21:37] <BUGabundo> this is what happens when I don't do updates for 2 days :\
[21:37] <eXtreme> mac_v, I purged my config too but still doesn't work
[21:37] <eXtreme> from VLC Media Player
[21:37] <dotblank> hey does anyone elses gnome-volume-control segfault
[21:37] <eXtreme> but I didn't reboot
[21:39] <mac_v> BUGabundo: yeah , there has been a lot of updates in the past 2 days , ;)
[21:39] <mac_v> guess everyone is done procrastinating ;p
[21:39] <shadeslayer> only 60 MB of updates for me....
[21:39] <mac_v> shadeslayer: for gnome ;-p
[21:39] <shadeslayer> oh....
[21:40] <shadeslayer> anyways im switching to arch in about 15 mins
[21:40] <shadeslayer> ;)
[21:40] <mac_v> booooo
[21:40] <shadeslayer> hehe....
[21:40] <shadeslayer> mac_v: kubuntu got,how should i put this delicately... boring
[21:41] <NoelJB> mac_v, the computed threshold in his commit does.  but that code isn't being used, it seems, anyway, by gdu.
[21:43] <mac_v> NoelJB: hrm... if they want to show the disk error , even for the slightest mistake its fine ... but not at every boot...! it would be better if there was an option "Do not show until this worsens"
[21:43] <NoelJB> and i was going to look and see what the deal with with the threshold, anyway, but it seems that DZ totally ignores thresholds.   Treats bad-sector as a boolean.
[21:44] <NoelJB> mac_v, as soon as I can figure it out more, my thought is to produce a patch that compares the count to the threshold and does not consider it bad until the threshold is reached.
[21:44] <eXtreme> brb reboot .. trying mac_v's sollution :)
[21:45] <mac_v> NoelJB: that would be ideal^ ... but in case if all else fails , an ignore until worsens would be the minimal thing to implement
[21:46] <mac_v> the present behavior would freak out new users
[21:46] <NoelJB> mac_v, I'm not sure how much real history is being tracked across boots.
[21:47] <NoelJB> so I'd rather do the problem = (value > threshold) fix.
[21:47] <mac_v> sounds good :)
[21:48] <NoelJB> need to run ... back later.
[21:50] <aboSamoor> do you know where can I find the official solutions to the qualification round ?
[21:50] <aboSamoor> sorry, that one for #gcj
[21:59] <mvo> cwillu_at_work: *wehh* what is ActionParsnip-plus-one ?
[22:00] <BUGabundo> hey mvo
[22:00] <BUGabundo> long time no see
[22:00] <cwillu_at_work> mvo, the update manager notice when an etc file gets updated:  it should give an edit option rather than the silly "take the old" / "take the new" split, because 90% of the time I end up muttering and cleaning up the mess after anyway
[22:00] <cwillu_at_work> mvo, and it got ActionParsnip's +1 approval :
[22:00] <cwillu_at_work> :p
[22:00] <mvo> hey BUGabundo
[22:01] <mvo> cwillu_at_work: its just not implemented (the edit-conffile) - it would be a good idea, just like melt integration
[22:01] <mvo> someone should open a wishlist bug, should not be hard to implement
[22:01] <cwillu_at_work> I'll do that when I get home
[22:01] <mvo> sweet
[22:02] <mvo> then you will be my hero-of-the-day(tm) :)
[22:02] <cwillu_at_work> I'm still recovering my sanity after my last interaction with javascript
[22:02] <mvo> synaptic does not contain any JS, all good old-fashioned c++
[22:02] <mvo> so no worries :)
[22:32] <mneptok> mvo: oh yes, c++ is the worry-free language. </sarcasm>
[22:32] <mneptok> ;)
[22:33] <mac_v> mvo: yeah , always wondered why no edit,... had to often search and edit the conf files :(
[22:37]  * BUGabundo still remembers all the updates breaked cause by _bad_ python last cycle 
[22:38] <mac_v> !schedule
[22:38] <mac_v> hmm... is anyone having problems with hibernate/suspend?
[22:39] <NoelJB> mac_v, I had been, but I don't see them anymore -- although I haven't tried with -10.32.  Why?
[22:40] <mac_v> ah... i cant hibernate or suspend ... or couldnt
[22:40]  * mac_v trying with -10.32
[22:40] <NoelJB> mac_v, hmmm ... do you have bluetooth?
[22:41] <mac_v> i have it in my laptop , but dont use it
[22:41] <mac_v> nope... still here , still doesnt work
[22:41] <NoelJB> mac_v, but is it enabled?  q.v., Bug 409233
[22:42] <NoelJB> mac_v, are you failing to suspend or to resume?
[22:42] <mac_v> failing to suspend
[22:43] <NoelJB> In that report, running rfkill block bluetooth would allow suspend to work.
[22:43] <mac_v> yeah saw that... :)
[22:43] <NoelJB> does it help you?
[22:43]  * mac_v trying
[22:43] <NoelJB> :-)
[22:44] <MaximLevitsky> should the new FUSA applet support logged in user list?
[22:45] <NoelJB> MaximLevitsky, ?? what do you mean "logged in user list" ??
[22:46] <MaximLevitsky> NoelJB: I mean, if I log in as anouther uses, say Joe
[22:46] <MaximLevitsky> I see Maxim Levitsky / Joe
[22:46] <MaximLevitsky> in FUSA in 9.04
[22:46] <MaximLevitsky> But not in 9.10
[22:48] <MaximLevitsky> NoelJB: I don't know if this is bug or feature...
[22:49] <mac_v> MaximLevitsky: yup it is supposed to show
[22:49] <MaximLevitsky> mac_v: Thanks!
[22:49] <MaximLevitsky> I file a bug report
[22:49] <MaximLevitsky> Does it work for you?
[22:49] <mac_v> NoelJB: grr...it did suspend but , it has caused 10 crashes :(
[22:50] <NoelJB> mac_v, crashes?
[22:50] <mac_v> what the hell! , everything reports a crash :!
[22:51] <BUGabundo> hey at least no notify OSD aint above FF search :D
[22:52] <mac_v> hrmm... it doesnt work like that for me :( ^
[22:52] <NoelJB> I'm not running 9.04.  I will probably purge it soon, as it constantly crashes on me.  What I see with Karmic is that I have my logged in name, my full name, and the ability to set status.  Seems bulk status sent to the registered IM programs.
[22:55] <mac_v> NoelJB: when marking a bug as "fix released" , it can be misleading , when the actual fix is not known , so it would be better marking it invalid
[22:56] <NoelJB> mac_v, invalid implies it was never a bug.
[22:57] <NoelJB> and I've seen a lot of stuff marked Fix Released just because it works in a later version.
[22:57] <mac_v> these are unknown fixes , they are also marked as invalid
[22:57] <NoelJB> "these" ?
[22:59] <mac_v> s/these/those
[22:59] <mac_v> are also to be marked as invalid
[22:59] <NoelJB> mac_v, OK.  Hey, I just folllowed the pattern I saw others like Leann et al doing.
[22:59] <NoelJB> I've never seen one marked INVALID because it was fixed.
[23:00] <NoelJB> I've seen many where someone reported a bug in, for example, 8.04, and it was working in 9.04, so it was marked as FIX RELEASED.  You're saying that was the wrong way?
[23:01] <mac_v> NoelJB: this is the response for the unknown fixes > This bug report is being closed due to your last comment regarding this being fixed with an update. For future reference you can manage the status of your own bugs by clicking on the current status in the yellow line and then choosing a new status in the revealed drop down box. You can learn more about bug statuses at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status. Thank you again for taking the time to repor
[23:01] <mac_v> t this bug and helping to make Ubuntu better. Please submit any future bugs you may find.
[23:02] <mac_v> that response triggers an auto "invalid" status
[23:04] <mac_v> NoelJB: well... since everyone can edit the status , we cant expect it to be consistent :)  also see the comments section in the status wiki
[23:05] <NoelJB> mac_v, looking at the description of INVALID, I'm not sure that things that are reproducibly broken (logs, screen capture, something demonstrable) and are then fixed should be invalid.  Are you saying that unless it can be associated with a git commit, it should be marked invalid?
[23:07] <mac_v> NoelJB: well... "I" am not saying it , it what is advised  , see the comments section , brian's answer
[23:07] <NoelJB> that's going to lead to a lot of invalid bugs, especially since a lot of stuff is fixed upstream, and even the ubuntu package maintainers may not know what fixed it.
[23:08] <NoelJB> mac_v, well that's a judgment call based on "bug report does not contain adequate information to determine whether or not it is a bug", isn't it?
[23:08] <mac_v> that would be better IMO, since marking it as a fixed when we dont know what fixed can be difficult to understand where or what has been fixed , right?
[23:08] <mac_v> so incase it returns  , we will still be lost
[23:09] <NoelJB> perhaps there should be another state, because INVALID implies it wasn't a bug, as opposed to a confirmable problem for which the fix is unknown.
[23:09] <mac_v> NoelJB: i was referring to this > What should a triager do if the bug's reporter later says the bug no longer exists, and the related changelog is nowhere to be found? NanleyChery
[23:10] <mac_v>     *
[23:10] <mac_v>       I believe this is covered by the first case under Invalid. BrianMurray
[23:10] <NoelJB> in any event, I understand, I believe, what you're saying.  it's just counter-intuitive, and from a psychology perspective, rather insulting to reporters.
[23:10] <NoelJB> mac_v, oh, I understand.  I saw the comment.  :-)
[23:10] <mac_v> NoelJB: but yeah , a new status "Unknown fix" would be better :)
[23:11] <NoelJB> mac_v, agreed.
[23:22] <Freddy2> hi
[23:23] <Freddy2> which kde version should be shipped with 9.10? 4.3.1? or maybe 4.3.2 should get on time?
[23:54] <cbmuser> hi, I wanted to suggest to upgrade xserver-xorg-video-radeon to 6.12.4 before release, it runs much smoother
[23:55] <cbmuser> with 6.12.1 I am having trouble switching back to text console and also shutting down the system
[23:55] <cwillu> cbmuser, -> #ubuntu-x
[23:56] <cbmuser> ?
[23:56] <cbmuser> ah
[23:56] <cbmuser> ok :)
[23:56] <cbmuser> thanks
[23:57] <BUGabundo> cwillu that's a _desert_ :)
[23:57] <cwillu> which, ubuntu-x? :p
[23:57] <cwillu> it's a desert, but people in the know read what shows up :p