[02:09] <DKcross> !log
[03:41] <Megiddo> Hello all
[03:41] <Megiddo> I am looking to see if I can possibly re-register on UbuntuForums...
[03:41] <Megiddo> I haven't been on it in a long time
[03:42] <Megiddo> and was banned about year or so ago
[03:43] <Megiddo> is anyone here?
[03:45] <DKcross> yes i'm here
[03:45] <DKcross> :D
[03:47] <Megiddo1> ...
[03:53] <Megiddo2> Hello?
[03:53] <Megiddo2> is anyone here?
[03:54] <nizarus> hi Megiddo2
[03:54] <Megiddo2> um....
[03:54] <Megiddo2> I know I have to wait till the counsil meeting for this
[03:54] <nizarus> this channel is for meetings, for support see #ubuntu or #ubuntu-locoteams
[03:55] <Megiddo2> but I probably wont be able to make it due to work...
[03:55] <Megiddo2> is there any way I can get my account unbanned or get granted access to make a new one?
[03:57] <Megiddo2> or is there any way to contact Ubuntu-geek or any of the other forum counsil members to discuss this?
[04:04] <Megiddo2> anyone?
[08:00] <dholbach> pgquiles: you around?
[08:00] <soren> o/
[08:01] <DKcross> :o
[08:02] <dholbach> soren: afaics pgquiles didn't send an email to the MC list, or did you see one?
[08:03] <pgquiles> dholbach: I'm here
[08:03] <dholbach> pgquiles: ah great... I thought you weren't around because you didn't reply to my PM :)
[08:04] <dholbach> pgquiles: how are you doing?
[08:04] <pgquiles> dholbach: I didn't notice :-)
[08:04] <pgquiles> pgquiles: I'm just waking up, it's 9 AM here :-)
[08:04] <dholbach> same here :)
[08:04] <dholbach> so... I had a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/pgquiles/MOTUApplication and you're applying for MOTU
[08:05] <dholbach> which packages would you like to be able to upload to the archive?
[08:05] <pgquiles> well, yes, technically I am
[08:05] <pgquiles> packages? actually, none
[08:05] <pgquiles> let me explain
[08:06] <pgquiles> I'm a debian maintainer (libmsn, witty) and I have a large PPA where I backport/package lots of stuff for hardy and jaunty
[08:06] <dholbach> did you get in touch with the backports team already?
[08:06] <dholbach> MOTU status involves upload rights
[08:06] <pgquiles> I'm not really interested in getting packages only in ubuntu (i. e. MOTU) because I get them in ubuntu through debian
[08:06] <pgquiles> I only wanted to be able to post to planet ubuntu
[08:06] <pgquiles> plain and simple
[08:06] <dholbach> ah ok
[08:07] <soren> Oh.
[08:07] <dholbach> so that'd be "contributing developer" instead of "motu" :)
[08:07] <pgquiles> I tried to apply for ubuntu membership and was told I'm too technical, so I should apply for motu
[08:07] <pgquiles> so here I am
[08:07] <dholbach> pgquiles: you seem to have an interest in backporting
[08:07] <pgquiles> there are some packages I've not got yet in Debian I could upload to ubuntu as MOTU, but I'd prefer them go to through debian
[08:07] <dholbach> pgquiles: are you aware of the ubuntu backports process?
[08:08] <pgquiles> dholbach: my interest is purely selfish: I've got a few servers and notebooks with hardy and sometimes I need more recent versions :-)
[08:08] <pgquiles> dholbach: ubuntu backport process? mmm no
[08:08] <dholbach> sure, you're not the only one
[08:08] <dholbach> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[08:09] <dholbach> and they are constantly looking for help in the team :)
[08:09] <pgquiles> oh, nice :-)
[08:09] <pgquiles> (I'm reading that page)
[08:12] <dholbach> pgquiles: the MOTU Council doesn't have quorum at the moment, so unfortunately we can't approve or reject your request right now anyway, but may I suggest that you get in touch with the team and help out there? I'd be happy to help you get in touch with them to see what you can do there
[08:13] <dholbach> pgquiles: I read your application with great interest, but was a bit surprised to not see any endorsements of other members on there
[08:13] <pgquiles> dholbach: ok, thanks
[08:13] <pgquiles> dholbach: I've never worked with any other MOTU or ubuntu member
[08:14] <dholbach> to us it's important that ubuntu members collaborate with each other and the backports team might be the perfect spot for you
[08:14] <dholbach> pgquiles: I'd be very happy to help you get in touch with people and see what you can do there
[08:14] <pgquiles> dholbach: perfect
[08:14] <dholbach> pgquiles: so shall we try that and you come back to another meeting in a couple of weeks? is that alright with you?
[08:15] <dholbach> pgquiles: I appreciate your contributions very much and am sure there's a lot of users who see that similarly :)
[08:15] <pgquiles> it's ok.
[08:15] <pgquiles> funny, my PPA would fix some of the backport requests (clamav, git, etc) :-)
[08:15] <dholbach> and I wouldn't like to see you disheartened or discouraged
[08:15] <dholbach> pgquiles: thanks a lot for your understanding
[08:16] <pgquiles> np
[08:16] <dholbach> I'll start off an email in a bit to introduce you to the rest of the team!
[08:16] <dholbach> rock and roll! more backports! :-)
[08:16] <pgquiles> thank you
[08:16] <dholbach> no worries :-)
[08:16] <dholbach> alright... moving on
[08:17] <dholbach> soren: do you have anything else to discuss?
[08:18] <soren> Not for this meeting, no.
[08:18] <dholbach> ok perfect
[08:18] <dholbach> meeting adjourned.
[15:36] <mvo> slangasek: if the question about base-installer integration comes up during the release-meeting (for upddate-manager). I commited a fix to bzr and will to upload today, i just want to test it some more
[15:52] <slangasek> mvo: ack, thanks
[15:52] <lool> slangasek: ogra will present the mobile report this week; I'll watch and mock him
[15:52] <slangasek> heh
[15:53] <lool> Well no I wont cause I prepared the report
[15:53] <lool> I'll just poke him!
[15:54]  * ogra feels poked
[15:56] <pitti> hello
[15:57] <marjo> hello
[15:59]  * apw fades in ...
[15:59]  * ogra strands
[15:59] <apw> slangasek, covering pgraner who is out today i believe
[15:59]  * slangasek waves
[16:00] <njpatel> hey
[16:00] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[16:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is slangasek.
[16:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:00]  * ScottK waves
[16:00] <slangasek> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2009-09-11
[16:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2009-09-11
[16:00] <slangasek> [TOPIC] previous actions
[16:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  previous actions
[16:00] <slangasek> #
[16:00] <slangasek> mvo to include base-installer as update-manager submodule for CPU->kernel mapping
[16:00] <slangasek> #
[16:00] <slangasek> fader to filter http://people.canonical.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html to avoid showing Xubuntu-specific failures
[16:00] <slangasek> # marjo to prepare off-line report of Alpha 5 ISO test results
[16:00] <slangasek> # robbiew to follow up with mpt regarding software-store by default in karmic
[16:01] <slangasek> mvo commented just before the meeting that this is fix-committed and will be uploaded today
[16:01] <fader_> slangasek: it is filtered now so that is done
[16:01] <slangasek> fader_: great, thanks!
[16:01] <robbiew> right now, I don't expect the software-store package to be installed by default
[16:01] <slangasek> marjo: how's the ISO report going?  Managing to scrape anything from the web interface?
[16:02] <robbiew> I have a meeting with ivanka and mvo next week to see what we can do for karmic
[16:02] <robbiew> i.e. maybe change "Add/Remove" to the new name
[16:02] <slangasek> robbiew: hmm, so the decision isn't final until next week?
[16:02] <marjo> slangasek: yes, i have but it's a lot of data
[16:02] <marjo> should we give it a try?
[16:02] <slangasek> marjo: can you email it to us?
[16:02] <robbiew> which will hopefully *NOT* be Software Store...yes
[16:02] <robbiew> final next week
[16:02] <slangasek> ok
[16:02] <marjo> slangasek: sure, that would be better
[16:03] <slangasek> [ACTION] robbiew meeting with ivanka and mvo next week to settle software store plans for karmic
[16:03] <MootBot> ACTION received:  robbiew meeting with ivanka and mvo next week to settle software store plans for karmic
[16:03] <slangasek> [TOPIC] QA Team
[16:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Team
[16:04] <slangasek> getting right to it, then
[16:04] <marjo> * Hardware testing status
[16:04] <marjo> Nautilus crashes and restarts at startup (LP #403549) is no longer showing up in the results.
[16:04] <marjo> Acer Aspire One is having booting issues; cr3 is investigating.
[16:05] <marjo> any questions?
[16:05] <slangasek> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html
[16:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html
[16:05] <marjo> * specs status
[16:05] <marjo> * UbuntuSpec:karmic-qa-increase-apport-adoption
[16:05] <marjo> +filebug redirect: Working with Launchpad team on testing new behavior on staging area.
[16:05] <slangasek> that report looks like all-pass now except for a few untested, is that accurate?
[16:05] <marjo> yes
[16:05] <slangasek> (there was a lot of red in previous passes)
[16:05] <slangasek> great!
[16:06] <marjo> it's looking good
[16:06] <mdz> indeed
[16:06] <fader_> slangasek: It is accurate, as the failures we were seeing were not hardware related (e.g. the xubuntu bugs) and have been filtered out
[16:06] <slangasek> excellent
[16:06] <marjo> also nautilus seems fixed
[16:06] <fader_> \o/
[16:06] <marjo> crash, i mean
[16:06] <mdz> of the untested units, the Dell ones are most significant
[16:07] <fader_> mdz: Understood.  I will focus on those first then
[16:07] <mdz> and the acer aspire one
[16:07] <mdz> dell PE 2970 and acer aspire one (the other dell is a duplicate I noticed, should probably be marked as such)
[16:07] <mdz> (2950)
[16:07] <cr3> mdz: I'll be reporting a bug about the aspire one today while I'm testing the other laptops
[16:08] <marjo> next spec
[16:08] <slangasek> marjo: how are the other specs?
[16:08] <marjo> * UbuntuSpec:karmic-qa-extended-audio-testing
[16:08] <marjo> Implemented
[16:08] <marjo> * UbuntuSpec:karmic-qa-metrics-based-testing-phase-2
[16:08] <marjo> Marc has the output of metrics from Phoronix in order to define the schema for supporting quantitative test results in addition to qualitative test
[16:08] <marjo> results. For now, the existing schema will have to be augmented with the following fields:
[16:08] <marjo>   value (float): the result from running metrics based tests
[16:08] <marjo>   scale (string): the unit or scale for the values, eg. kbps
[16:08] <marjo>   proportion (string): whether higher or lower values are better
[16:09] <marjo> Marc = cr3
[16:09] <marjo> any questions? if not, that's it from QA team
[16:10] <mdz> marjo, you're emailing the milestone test report?
[16:10] <marjo> mdz: yes
[16:10] <slangasek> no other questions here
[16:11] <marjo> thx
[16:11] <slangasek> thank you
[16:11] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Desktop Team
[16:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop Team
[16:11] <pitti> hi
[16:11] <pitti> as usual, current status is on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:11] <pitti> this week the langpack uninstallability was fixed, and some other RC bugs, but bugs keep piling up
[16:11] <pitti> new langpacks were uploaded and work with ffox 3.5 now
[16:11] <slangasek> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:11] <pitti> we discussed the emphathy/pidgin by default question, and we decided to keep the current status quo by and large, so no major changes here
[16:11] <pitti> DX integration rush settled down a bit feature-wise now, but they are still working full steam on fixing some functionality regressions from jaunty
[16:11] <slangasek> overall, I've seen there's been very good turnover on desktop team bugs this week
[16:12] <pitti> we had deep conversations about the latter, and brushing up the release management on those, so I think Ken has a good overview now
[16:12] <pitti> they are all milestoned properly etc. now
[16:13] <pitti> most bugs are well underway; I wish people would upload a bit more often, but none of them are on the "OMGkittensdie" level, so getting them fixed for the beta should mostly suffice
[16:13] <pitti> the only thing that concerns me a little is bug 256245
[16:13] <pitti> since it will involve getting a new PackageKit major version
[16:13] <slangasek> milestoned> also targeted, so /I/ get an overview? :)
[16:14] <pitti> alternatively we could just declare it "as good as it gets for karmic", but it's certainly not optimal
[16:14] <pitti> slangasek: until Wednesday, only on their projects; I asked ken to add Ubuntu tasks to them and add our own milestones
[16:14] <slangasek> ok
[16:14] <rickspencer3> davidbarth, has a good summary of #dx status
[16:14] <pitti> I have a TODO item for that to talk to Brian to get the necessary privs to Ken
[16:14] <pitti> (milestoning and setting priority)
[16:14] <davidbarth> slangasek: yes, for DX the status is up at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/KarmicReleaseStatus
[16:14] <slangasek> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/KarmicReleaseStatus
[16:14] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/KarmicReleaseStatus
[16:15] <james_w> (packagekit new version is problematic without a policykit-1-kde package)
[16:15] <pitti> davidbarth: FYI, guest session works now
[16:15] <Riddell> james_w: yes that's the blocker, it's being worked on but not sure of an ETA
[16:15] <pitti> james_w: eww
[16:15] <davidbarth> pitti: oh cool, this unblocks #404870
[16:15] <pitti> james_w: that pretty much sounds like "as good as it gets" case then
[16:16] <pitti> Riddell: oh, it's still feasible? pk-1-kde would be great to get, to settle to a common API, but it's getting a bit late
[16:17] <Riddell> pitti: hope so but I agree it's getting close
[16:18] <slangasek> how soon is that going to be here if we're going to have it?
[16:18] <slangasek> can we have that by next week, or are we talking about something that's going to be pushing beta?
[16:19] <Riddell> slangasek: pushing beta I suspect
[16:19] <Riddell> in better news kdebluetooth found a new maintainer so there may be fixes comeing there
[16:20] <slangasek> Riddell: you'll send that through FFe, then?  Bug #256245 is unpleasant, but as it's not a regression I don't think we should be too fast and loose with changes to fix it
[16:20] <Riddell> yep
[16:20]  * slangasek nods
[16:21] <davidbarth> slangasek: of note for DX, #425552 - "[Karmic Alpha 5] no preferences settings in indicator-applet-session logging out menu (top right menu)" - possible regression
[16:21] <davidbarth> slangasek: we don't have preferences for that by design
[16:21] <davidbarth> slangasek: and xsplash artwork upload postponed to the artwork freeze
[16:23] <slangasek> ok
[16:24] <pitti> davidbarth: FYI, I asked slangasek to look at the FFE for bug 423450 (I think that's also blocking you)
[16:24] <slangasek> yes, I'll have a look at that later this morning
[16:24] <pitti> davidbarth: is i-s depending on that, or are you going to use the existing APIs for now?
[16:24] <pitti> I wasn't sure whether it's a blocker
[16:24] <lool> davidbarth: Anything else remaining in terms of xsplash work?
[16:25] <davidbarth> pitti: yes, we're developing against the dbus api that was defined here
[16:25] <ScottK> slangasek: 256245 is a regression from Hardy
[16:25] <pitti> can we please fix the throbber? :-)
[16:25] <ogra>  ++
[16:25] <pitti> davidbarth: ok, noted; thanks
[16:25] <slangasek> ScottK: right... but not from the last two releases :/
[16:25] <slangasek> ScottK: anyway, I'd like to see it fixed, just making sure we're not taking shortcuts to do it
[16:25] <ScottK> slangasek: Yes.  The ability to stay on a release that doesn't have the regression is about to expire
[16:26] <ScottK> Enough for now ...
[16:27] <slangasek> ok, done digesting, no other questions here
[16:27] <slangasek> anyone else?
[16:28] <lool> 17:24 < lool> davidbarth: Anything else remaining in terms of xsplash work?
[16:28] <lool> davidbarth: ^
[16:28] <lool> I thought some Xsession integration was pending
[16:28] <davidbarth> lool: it's in
[16:29] <lool> Ok cool
[16:29] <davidbarth> lool: njpatel added that yesterday, and the new release of xsplash 0.7.1 takes that into account
[16:29] <lool> Ok; I checked the changelog but wasn't sure it was what I thought it was; thanks
[16:30] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Mobile Team
[16:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  Mobile Team
[16:30] <davidbarth> lool: it's the new add_signal api; unr now registers an additional signal to get in sync with xsplash
[16:30] <ogra> oh thats me ... ! :)
[16:30] <slangasek> ogra, njpatel: heya
[16:30] <ogra> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[16:30] <ogra> Important stuff for A6:
[16:30] <ogra> - UNR needs a langpack upload planned for Sunday for A6
[16:30] <ogra> - some debian-cd changes might be needed when the new armel kernels land
[16:30] <ogra> - moblin-remix likely to break often during transitions in Ubuntu and needs to be watched closely
[16:30] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[16:30] <ogra> basically not much new, the OO.o bug starts getting very worrying ...
[16:31] <ogra> the initramfs-tools bug i will take care for to be solved before A6
[16:31] <ogra> most of the rest is actually kernel team stuff and waits for their sprint
[16:32] <slangasek> wrt OOo, it's gotten built now on arm, right?  Has it been re-added to the seeds?
[16:32] <ogra> it builds but doesnt run
[16:32] <ogra> and i added it to the seeds, yes
[16:32] <slangasek> ok
[16:32] <ogra> immediately after it built again
[16:32] <slangasek> so our images are building true, at least
[16:33] <ogra> well, apparently pitti just broke glib for us :P
[16:33] <pitti> ogra: huh?
[16:33] <slangasek> what debian-cd changes are going to be needed for armel kernels, and why?
[16:33] <ogra> so they arent buiolding atm :)
[16:33] <pitti> ogra: the assertion message stuff breaks arm?
[16:33] <pitti> oh
[16:33] <slangasek> pitti: arm is slow, any/all version skew, nothing to see here :)
[16:33] <lool> pitti: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31650513/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-armel.glib2.0_2.21.6-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:33] <slangasek> oh, it's a FTBFS
[16:33] <lool> pitti: Didn't want to ping you just when you were reporting  :-)
[16:34] <ogra> slangasek, the fixes for the udeb bug will require additional changes to debican-cd
[16:34] <slangasek> ogra: ah, yes
[16:34] <lool> slangasek: There's also a worrying bug when debootstraping which breaks our livefs builds; moblin remix and UNR are affected right now
[16:34] <ogra> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/359049
[16:34] <cjwatson> ... and d-i. but it's nothing to get too worried about
[16:34] <ogra> waits for the rebased .31 kernels
[16:34] <slangasek> lool: what bug is that?
[16:34] <ogra> yeah, its minor changes
[16:34] <pitti> lool: meh, this looks like arm doesn't have the new glibc yet?
[16:35] <lool> slangasek: This morning StevenK told me it was https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysvinit/+bug/427709
[16:35] <ogra> slangasek, i think lool refers to sysvinit :)
[16:35] <lool> but Scott rejected it
[16:35] <pitti> lool: I can disable the patch on arm if necessary, it's just for apport love
[16:35] <lool> I didnt have time to chase it since
[16:35] <lool> pitti: Oh indeed; it's trivial to fix the new glibc to build though
[16:35] <pitti> lool: ok, then we can just give back glib once glibc builds
[16:36] <pitti> I mean, glibc really ought to build on armel one way or the other, right?
[16:36] <lool> s/glibc/eglibc sorry
[16:36] <slangasek> [ACTION] slangasek to follow up on bug #427709
[16:36] <ogra> yeah unless we find a way to run stuff without it :)
[16:36] <MootBot> ACTION received:  slangasek to follow up on bug #427709
[16:36] <lool> pitti: absolutely and it's trivial to fix
[16:36] <lool> pitti: Will fix it now
[16:37] <pitti> great
[16:37] <ogra> any other questions about arms or legs or other mobile parts ?
[16:37] <slangasek> ogra, lool: anything to note regarding the overall spec status?  should toolchain, freescale desktop be considered "implemented"?
[16:37] <lool> slangasek: Yeah
[16:38] <cjwatson> 427709 should be an MIR for insserv I think
[16:38] <ogra> slangasek, well, freescale desktop has a workitem for every alpha/beta/rc
[16:38] <cjwatson> if Scott is intentionally pulling it in
[16:38] <lool> slangasek: FSL is implemented and suffers from kernel bugs and might get optional additional stuff
[16:38] <slangasek> lool: they're marked as "beta available", please mark the specs accordingly :)
[16:38] <lool> slangasek: toolchain is implemented abd we need to babysit builds in case sonmething goes wrong
[16:38]  * ogra cares for fsl desktop
[16:39] <slangasek> ogra: I don't think "test and install the milestone" is something that makes sense to keep track of as a spec; this is already integrated into our milestone release process
[16:39] <lool> slangasek: done
[16:39] <ogra> done for fsl-desktop
[16:39] <slangasek> cjwatson: agreed; do you want to nudge it in that direction?
[16:39] <ogra> slangasek, well, it looks good on the burndown chart :) but i can indeed drop these
[16:40] <cjwatson> done
[16:40] <cjwatson> well, commented anyway
[16:41] <lool> cjwatson: Can we prepromote this?
[16:41] <cjwatson> you're a member of ~ubuntu-mir ;-)
[16:41] <slangasek> anything else for mobile?
[16:41] <lool> Naking that a MIR
[16:42] <lool> cjwatson: I'd say yes then
[16:42] <cjwatson> I'll promote it for now, but if you could help shepherd it through the MIR process that would help
[16:42] <davidbarth> slangasek: UNR, all milestoned bugs fixed, including the last crashers
[16:42] <davidbarth> https://edge.launchpad.net/unr/+milestone/ubuntu-9.10-ui-freeze
[16:42] <lool> cjwatson: Ok
[16:42] <slangasek> davidbarth: great :)
[16:42] <davidbarth> neil and jason did a great job!
[16:43]  * ogra would love to see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/423632 fixed but thats just personal preference since it hurts my eyes :)
[16:44] <ogra> (on armel at least)
[16:44] <ogra> anyway, if there are no further questions, i'm done
[16:44] <slangasek> ogra: is that a general problem on armel, should xsplash be disabled there?
[16:44] <davidbarth> ogra: hmmm, ok; taking a look at his one for next week
[16:44] <ogra> slangasek, its a gerneral prob with that color depth
[16:45] <slangasek> ogra: yes, I'm asking whether it affects all the relevant armel systems
[16:45] <ogra> the framebuffer driver i have for imx51 currently does rgb545 while the pic seems to assume rgb666
[16:45] <ogra> i havent used a dove image that uses xsplash yet, NCommander ??
[16:46] <lool> ogra: there's an open bug on usplash being broken on dove
[16:46] <lool> dont know if it's still current
[16:46] <NCommander> I have yet to try xsplash on dove, usplash is known not to work at this time
[16:46] <ogra> i thought you tested live images already ...
[16:46] <ogra> xsplash is there by default
[16:46] <ogra> (the thing with the strange throbber)
[16:46] <NCommander> ogra, I'm not setting splash on the command line, since with usplash, it prevents the image from booting
[16:46] <NCommander> I need to set it manually if I want to test it
[16:47] <davidbarth> ogra: well, not a high priority then considering the buggy context, but we can carry an ARM-specific patch if you can guide bratsche to make a fix
[16:47] <ogra> davidbarth, i see it on 16bpp laptop x86 displays i have too
[16:47] <ogra> its not armel specific
[16:47] <ogra> but depends on the rgb value used for the pic
[16:48] <ogra> but its really minor
[16:48] <davidbarth> ogra: ok, you've raised the priority then ;)
[16:48] <slangasek> ogra, davidbarth: further follow-ups to the bug, then?
[16:48] <ogra> anyway, please move on, we can discuss that off-meeting :)
[16:48] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Kernel Team
[16:48] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Team
[16:48] <apw> Overall kernel team status is summarised at the URL below, including the bugs as called
[16:48] <apw> out in the agenda.  To highlight the worst of these, the suspend/hibernate not working and the bluetooth suspend hang are both believed fixed and awaiting test results.
[16:49] <apw> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[16:49] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[16:49] <apw> We have one other bug (bug #427822) impacting A6 specfically, the fallout from the ext3/fsck time checks is early boot, which lead to a full fsck on any crash regardless of the presence of the log.  We have a test patch for that which keybuk is testing.  This looks critical for a good kernel for A6.
[16:49] <apw> All the items which impact the distro release schedule seem to be progressing ok at this time.  ARM enablement is now pretty much up to speed and in sync with the main kernel.  With the release of mainline v2.6.31 the final rebase of the Karmic series has now been done and we are now targetting regression-potential bugs.
[16:49] <apw> ..
[16:52] <slangasek> 409233> do we need to escalate that with the people who can test it
[16:52] <slangasek> ?
[16:53] <apw> i have reprodded.  we have two people with them in house, so will poke them today
[16:54] <slangasek> ok
[16:54] <slangasek> no other questions from me
[16:54] <slangasek> anyone else?
[16:54] <lool> Enjoy plumbers!
[16:54] <slangasek> apw: actually, just looking quickly at the packages in the archive for 423426, I still don't see any virtio modules in the -virtual flavor
[16:54] <slangasek> in -10.32
[16:55] <apw> slangasek, ok will go confirm that and reopen the bug if so
[16:55] <apw> damned thing
[16:55] <rtg> damned bashisms
[16:56] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Server Team
[16:56] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server Team
[16:56] <slangasek> apw: thanks
[16:56] <slangasek> hrm, do we have someone here from server team?
[16:56] <slangasek> soren, smoser, mdz:  is someone covering server team here?
[16:57] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Foundations Team
[16:57] <MootBot> New Topic:  Foundations Team
[16:57] <soren> Well... I didn't know that I was going to, but I've been trying to connect the dots.
[16:57] <slangasek> we'll come back if someone turns up
[16:57] <kirkland> slangasek: howdy
[16:57] <kirkland> slangasek: I'm around
[16:57] <soren> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:57] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Server Team
[16:57] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server Team
[16:58] <slangasek> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:58] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:58] <slangasek> ok then :)
[16:58] <soren> :)
[16:58]  * soren is itching to get to dinner, so would like to go on :)
[16:58] <soren> That page is up-to-date as of 15 minutes ago.
[16:58] <soren> Since then, the status on..
[16:58] <soren> #
[16:58] <soren> 423856: ec2-init should check for image upgrades, needed to complete server-karmic-ec2-upgrades
[16:58] <soren> has changed.
[16:59] <slangasek> fwiw, you list bug #424459 as targeted, but it wasn't - targeted to karmic now
[16:59] <soren> It's been demilestoned, and set back to triaged. We've deferred this feature.
[16:59] <soren> I've not yet updated the page.
[16:59] <slangasek> ok
[16:59] <soren> Whoops
[16:59] <soren> Not that one :)
[16:59] <soren> Oh, sorry, I got confused.
[17:00] <soren> I thought ubottu was telling me about the bug I mentioned.
[17:00] <soren> So yes, we have demilestoned and deferred bug 423856
[17:00] <slangasek> directory-enabled-user-login still says "pending on OpenLDAP 2.4.18 release" - we've had the FFe, is that still pending?
[17:00] <slangasek> actually, I know it's not, I saw the upload :)
[17:00] <soren> No, it's not.
[17:00] <soren> Did I not remove that one from the list?
[17:00] <slangasek> seems not
[17:00] <soren> Oh, I removed it from the FFe list, but not the other one.
[17:01] <soren> Sorry. This is new to me :)
[17:01] <slangasek> looks good to me, then
[17:01] <soren> Erm.. Not sure what else to say.
[17:01] <slangasek> any questions for server?
[17:01] <mdz> slangasek, sorry
[17:02] <mdz> I dropped the ball on this; I believe thierry usually covers it but is on holiday this week
[17:02] <soren> Yes, ttx is our resident release team hero :)
[17:02] <slangasek> mdz: sorted now, it seems :)
[17:02] <soren> release team *meeting* hero, at least.
[17:03] <mdz> there is a lot more going on than that page reflects, but the information on it is accurate
[17:03] <slangasek> soren: ec2 is in good shape overall?  I still have some email threads to follow up on; am I blocking anything critical path?
[17:03] <mdz> we have substantial work to do on eucalyptus in order to get it into a releasable state
[17:03] <soren> slangasek: I don't think it's blocked on you at the moment.
[17:03] <mdz> niemeyer is still planning to land a new feature for the "appliance store"
[17:04] <mdz> there are several important tasks which need to be completed for alpha 6 with regard to release engineering
[17:04]  * slangasek nods
[17:04] <mdz> slangasek, the major issue with regard to EC2 is the kernel
[17:04] <mdz> we've only just got a functional kernel, which rtg is working to merge into karmic
[17:04] <mdz> he has filed an MIR as it is a separate source package
[17:04] <rtg> mdz, uploaded for MIR review this AM
[17:05] <slangasek> yes; rtg asked about that, I requested that he send it through MIR because I'm not really comfortable adding yet another source package to main and wanted MIR's sign-off
[17:05] <mdz> understood
[17:05] <mdz> smoser, any significant concerns with the EC2 images apart from the kernel?
[17:05] <smoser> bug 427288
[17:06] <smoser> thats the biggest issue at the moment.
[17:06] <soren> "apart from the kernel" :)
[17:06] <slangasek> is that fixed by the linux-ec2 package?
[17:07] <rtg> slangasek, no, its still in progress
[17:07] <Daviey> Are all the release critical issues for eucalyptus represented as LP bugs?
[17:07] <slangasek> or more work is needed (--> should be milestoned/targeted)?
[17:07] <mdz> smoser, I assume that warrants better than New/Undecided?
[17:07] <smoser> oh. sorry. missed that. apart from kernel, no.  the nighyly image failed, but thats due to upstart depencdency on universe.
[17:07] <mdz> Daviey, yes, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=eucalyptus
[17:07] <apw> thats not obviously a kernel issue.  normally one changes a userspace libarary to fix that
[17:07] <Daviey> (thanks mdz)
[17:07] <erichammond> I ended up with the following code when I build images for EC2; not sure if it fixes the bug just mentioned: http://paste.ubuntu.com/268982/
[17:07] <mdz> smoser, so userland is happy?
[17:08] <mdz> erichammond, thanks for that
[17:08] <smoser> i think so.
[17:08] <mdz> erichammond, do you have any outstanding concerns with regard to the current Karmic EC2 images, apart from the kernel concerns mentioned above?
[17:08] <slangasek> smoser, apw: right, is that fixed just by installing libc6-xen?
[17:09] <mdz> I guess not
[17:09] <robbiew> heh
[17:09] <smoser> slangasek, i think so , as per jjohansen
[17:09] <slangasek> ok
[17:10] <apw> slangasek, it may well be, it looks like jjohansen1 is already looking at it and is the right person to answer
[17:10] <mdz> the bug list for the UEC images (which also affect EC2) is at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=uec-images
[17:10] <smoser> slangasek, for some reason i thought that package was not present in karmic
[17:10] <slangasek> smoser: it's in universe, but it would be a binary-only promotion (trivial)
[17:10] <mdz> and the bugs affecting EC2 specifically are at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=ec2-images
[17:10] <smoser> but it is.
[17:10] <slangasek> [LINK] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=uec-images
[17:10] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=uec-images
[17:10] <slangasek> [LINK] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=ec2-images
[17:10] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=ec2-images
[17:10] <jjohansen1> apw: I don't have an answer on that yet, I need to do some testing
[17:11] <mdz> action for smoser to try libc6-xen, and if successful, migrate the karmic images to that?
[17:11] <smoser> yes.
[17:11] <slangasek> [ACTION] smoser to try libc6-xen in UEC, and if successful, migrate karmic images to it
[17:11] <MootBot> ACTION received:  smoser to try libc6-xen in UEC, and if successful, migrate karmic images to it
[17:11] <smoser> and then, whatever else (promotion) would be needed
[17:11] <mdz> smoser, please update the bug to reflect what we just learned/decided
[17:12] <mdz> smoser, right, promoting it would be a prerequisite for migrating the karmic images
[17:12] <slangasek> anything else to be covered for server?
[17:12] <soren> smoser: Don't we already but that there? I thought we did?
[17:13] <mdz> nothing more from me
[17:13] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Foundations Team
[17:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Foundations Team
[17:13] <cjwatson> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[17:13] <cjwatson> Bug:353534: update-manager fix committed, pending testing
[17:13] <cjwatson> Bug:386789: grub2 fix just uploaded
[17:13] <cjwatson> Bug:415888: no progress, likely to be tricky, but not the end of the world
[17:13] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic
[17:13] <slangasek> mdz, soren, smoser: thanks
[17:13] <cjwatson> Bug:407428: fixed upstream, will land with next upload
[17:13] <cjwatson> UbuntuSpec:foundations-karmic-cloud-setup-in-server-installer: euca_conf --discover-nodes landed, automatic component registration and some more debconf questions in progress (FFE already filed and approved, waiting for some feedback from eucalyptus experts); after that the specced work will be done but it would not at all surprise me if further work on quality is needed
[17:13] <cjwatson> UbuntuSpec:software-library: decision appears to be to ship this as a technology preview for 9.10
[17:14] <cjwatson> UbuntuSpec:foundations-karmic-power-management: slangasek, is there any more you have planned here? (I should probably ask questions like this before the release meeting ...)
[17:14] <cjwatson> UbuntuSpec:foundations-karmic-bootspeed-targets: being staged in ubuntu-boot PPAs, bulk of this due to land for Alpha 6
[17:14] <cjwatson> also dpkg 1.15.4? (FFE filed, pending); broken manual partitioning in ubiquity, fix committed; and expecting some wubi work to take better advantage of grub2 and get rid of the nasty /boot-on-NTFS bind-mount
[17:14] <slangasek> cjwatson: there's one more fix for the power management spec I hope to get in, tearing out some boot-time redundancy
[17:14] <cjwatson> software-library is disappointing, but that was robbiew's decision after discussion with mvo and mpt
[17:14] <slangasek> working on that this afternoon
[17:14] <mdz> cjwatson, (just noting there should be a grub-related bug report inbound from cr3 for the acer aspire one boot failure)
[17:15] <cjwatson> cloud-setup is the bit that worries me the most simply because it's so late, but by the looks of things this is not unusual among cloud work ...
[17:15] <cjwatson> mdz: ati chipset?
[17:15] <mdz> cjwatson, I have no idea
[17:15] <robbiew> we may be able to come to a compromise on software-store..but won't know until I talk to ivanka and mvo
[17:15] <mdz> clicking on the link in the report spews a django error
[17:15] <robbiew> i.e. rename "Add/Remove"
[17:15] <robbiew> heh
[17:15] <mvo> :)
[17:16] <cjwatson> if it's ati and "unaligned pointer" or "out of range pointer", then it's a known issue that upstream are working on; there's believed to be a fix as of today
[17:16] <ogra> Compromise: Add/Remove Software Store ?
[17:16] <mdz> cjwatson, I have no details; cr3?
[17:17] <cjwatson> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acer_Aspire_One says i945GSE so it may or may not be the same thing
[17:17] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acer_Aspire_One says i945GSE so it may or may not be the same thing
[17:17] <cjwatson> MootBot: sod off
[17:18] <cr3> cjwatson: I can reproduce on a few systems, I'll test today
[17:18] <marjo> cjwatson: we'll get you that answer asap
[17:18] <cjwatson> thanks; FWIW http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=544155 is the bug I'm thinking of
[17:19] <davmor2> cjwatson: AAO is all intel netbook with atheros wifi
[17:19] <cjwatson> OK. The limitation of that bug to ATI is purely anecdotal, of course - there's no obvious reason why it should be so limited. So we'll see.
[17:20] <slangasek> cjwatson: cloud-setup> do things seem to be converging there?
[17:20] <cjwatson> slangasek: do you plan to mark power-management implemented after that work?
[17:21] <cjwatson> slangasek: yes, I think so - the pieces that are left are now small, they're just time-consuming to test
[17:21] <mdz> slangasek, action for cr3 to test whether the problem is that grub bug, and if not, file a new one
[17:21] <slangasek> cjwatson: implemented> yes
[17:21] <slangasek> [ACTION] cr3 to check whether Acer Aspire One failure is "unaligned pointer" / "out of range pointer" grub bug (fixed in latest grub2)
[17:21] <MootBot> ACTION received:  cr3 to check whether Acer Aspire One failure is "unaligned pointer" / "out of range pointer" grub bug (fixed in latest grub2)
[17:22] <cjwatson> well, not quite fixed yet, but possible fix in hand
[17:23] <slangasek> ok
[17:23] <slangasek> anything else?
[17:23] <cjwatson> that's all from me, though I would like to know about the dpkg FFE sooner rather than later (yes, I know I only filed the FFE bug today :-/)
[17:24] <slangasek> ack; will try to get through all the FFes shortly after the meeting
[17:24]  * cjwatson nods
[17:24] <slangasek> [TOPIC] MOTU
[17:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU
[17:24] <slangasek> ScottK: hi
[17:24] <ScottK> Hi
[17:25] <ScottK> cjwatson kicked off a rebuild test for us this week: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20090909
[17:25] <ScottK> Bad results can be found here: http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20090909.html
[17:25] <ScottK> gcc 4.4 is causing a lot of problems.
[17:25] <slangasek> [LINK] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20090909
[17:25] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20090909
[17:25] <slangasek> [LINK] http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20090909.html
[17:25] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20090909.html
[17:26] <ScottK> Most of the failures I've looked at need a C programmer to fix.
[17:26] <cjwatson> there's a gnat bootstrap in progress with IS, which should clear up the ada stuff, I think?
[17:26] <ScottK> So it looks to me like we have a not insiginificant number of packages that we will ship in an unbuildable state.
[17:26] <ScottK> Yes, some of this will clear up naturally.
[17:27] <cjwatson> but yeah, that's a lot of failures
[17:27] <ScottK> I've also been filing removal bugs on the libgtk1.2-dev depwait packages.
[17:27] <pitti> oh, thanks
[17:27] <ScottK> There are a lot, so anyone who wants to join in, feel free.
[17:27] <slangasek> I've been doing some rebuilds for NBS and hit a number of those already (thanks, curl-config); had been setting them aside for the moment, but I'll block some time one of these days to go back and hack on the ones that need fixing
[17:27] <pitti> ScottK: I'll do a process-removals run, that will hopefully kill a few, too
[17:28] <pitti> ScottK: one meta-bug shuold be enough, it's not that hard to figure out all reverse dependencies for archive admins
[17:28] <ScottK> OK.
[17:28] <pitti> we can put in the list and have a quick review there
[17:28] <slangasek> pitti: wishlist: fix libcups to stop telling all its reverse-depends to link against libkrb5 :P
[17:28] <pitti> slangasek: oh, sure; noted in my TODO list
[17:29] <ScottK> So that's my major concern.
[17:29] <ScottK> Everything else seems to be shaping up reasonably well.
[17:29] <ScottK> Our FTBFS totals are already lower than Jaunty at release.
[17:30] <ScottK> FFe processing is going well.
[17:30] <ScottK> No one I told no has shown up at my house yet.
[17:30] <slangasek> ScottK: are there any particularly heinous gcc-4.4 build failures that you've found that you want other eyeballs on?
[17:30] <slangasek> heh
[17:30] <ScottK> slangasek: It's more the number of failures.
[17:30]  * slangasek nods
[17:31] <ScottK> It seems most of the C++ ones are missing headers.
[17:31] <ScottK> Those aren't two hard.
[17:31] <ScottK> Most of the C ones seem to be data type issues.
[17:32] <slangasek> (can we parlay this into some sort of training activity on ubuntu-motu, so more people have the skill to fix these down the line?)
[17:32] <cjwatson> might be worth correlating with the Debian bug reports that Martin Michlmayr tends to file about these things
 why did cups FTBFS on amd64, that just built a couple days ago in the archive
[17:32] <ScottK> Yes.  Both good ideas.
[17:32] <slangasek> cjwatson: not sure how much he's been doing for gcc-4.4, the few I've poked at didn't have corresponding Debian bugs filed yet
[17:33] <ScottK> It'd take someone who can fix them (i.e. not me) to lead it.
[17:34]  * sistpoty|work is a little bit low on spare time atm, but I can try to do an instant session once I'm home tonight
[17:34] <slangasek> [ACTION] slangasek to pursue having a FTBFS training session with #ubuntu-motu
[17:34] <MootBot> ACTION received:  slangasek to pursue having a FTBFS training session with #ubuntu-motu
[17:34] <ScottK> Also, http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/bugs/rcbugs/ is updating correctly now also
[17:34] <slangasek> sistpoty|work: oh, great - perhaps we can coordinate
[17:34] <pitti> slangasek: httpAddrGetList(dubnium): FAIL
[17:34] <sistpoty|work> slangasek: that'd be great :)
[17:34] <pitti> slangasek: I bet it's just something silly like "localhost" not being defined or so
[17:34] <slangasek> pitti: heh
[17:34] <pitti> the test suite is pretty brittle
[17:35] <slangasek> ok, we're at time, so...
[17:35] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[17:35] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[17:35] <pitti> (which is usually a good thing, but..)
[17:35] <slangasek> anything else?
[17:35] <cjwatson> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=ftbfs-gcc-4.4;users=debian-gcc@lists.debian.org
[17:35] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=ftbfs-gcc-4.4;users=debian-gcc@lists.debian.org
[17:35] <cjwatson> sorry, took me a while to find that
[17:35] <cjwatson> respectable number fixed there
[17:35] <slangasek> ok, cool
[17:36] <slangasek> things seem to be stable now as far as langpack size, thanks to pitti (et al)'s awesome work on splitting out help files
[17:36] <slangasek> we're back up to 6 languages on the liveCD
[17:36] <slangasek> let's keep it there if we can :)
[17:36]  * slangasek raises the gavel slowly
[17:36] <pitti> yesterday's upload will have increased it again, since the new langpacsk have the stripped gnome help files
[17:37] <pitti> but about half of the savings should stay
[17:37] <pitti> (or more)
[17:37] <superm1> slangasek, i wanted to raise something for ~mythbuntu
[17:37] <slangasek> superm1: go ahead
[17:37] <superm1> okay so first, good news: We're on track for an new upstream release of 0.22 and doing trunk builds every few days as more bugs are getting caught, forwarded upstream and fixed.
[17:37] <superm1> Bad news: Unfortunately, we're finding lots of new NVIDIA hardware won't boot karmic live disks.  You need to enable the binary NVIDIA driver on the live disk (which is now actually do-able thanks to jockey-text) or write out an xorg.conf that forces VESA:
[17:37] <superm1> bug 404577, bug 413439, bug 427700.  The "nv" driver doesn't support this hardware, but X autoconfig is trying to pick it anyway.
[17:38] <superm1> and since mythtv 0.22 supports lots of hardware acceleration whiz bang things only on this new hardware, i expect that a lot of people will be investing in new hardware for it's exact purpose
[17:38] <slangasek> these are regressions vs. jaunty?
[17:38] <superm1> Yes
[17:38] <slangasek> can you tag them such if they aren't already (regression-potential), and we'll escalate from there?
[17:38] <superm1> i've got a piece of this new hardware myself that works properly with jaunty (chooses vesa)
[17:38] <superm1> sure
[17:39] <slangasek> seems like the -nv driver just needs its PCI matches pruned
[17:39] <superm1> well the problem is that they're not explicitly in the list of PCI matches, it just goes off vendor
[17:39] <superm1> which is a bad assumption since -nv doesn't support all nvidia hardware
[17:40] <slangasek> er, really?
[17:40] <slangasek> ok, so obviously that needs fixing
[17:40] <slangasek> I think we can take that out of band from here, then?
[17:40] <superm1> unfortunately. yeah you'll get stuff like " (WW) NV: Ignoring unsupported device 0x10de0849 (C77 [GeForce 8200]) at 02@00:00:0" in your Xorg log, and then Xorg borks out
[17:41] <superm1> yeah, i just wanted to make sure it was raised. the details for solving it can be done outside this room
[17:41] <slangasek> thanks for bringing it to our attention
[17:41] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[17:41] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:41.
[17:41] <slangasek> and thanks, all
[17:41] <pitti> thanks all
[18:04] <ace_suares1> allright
[18:04] <ace_suares1> I'm here for the Edubuntu Meetingf
[18:10] <ace_suares1> hi
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[18:11] <sbalneav> Zap!
[18:11] <sbalneav> It's highvoltage
[18:11] <highvoltage> :)
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[18:12] <ace_suares1> w000t!
[18:12] <sbalneav> I'm sensing some resistance to my jokes.
[18:12] <sbalneav> Perhaps I lack the capacitance to tell good ones.
[18:12] <alkisg> the electric shock left us breathless :)
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[18:13] <ace_suares1> kalimera alkisg!
[18:13] <highvoltage> sbalneav: lol
[18:13] <alkisg> And a very good morning to you, ace_suares1 :)
[18:13] <highvoltage> good morning / afternoon edubuntuers!
[18:13]  * ace_suares1 doesn't know how to say good afternoon in greek!
[18:14]  * alkisg neither :D
[18:14] <highvoltage> anyone speak to LaserJock recently?
[18:14] <ace_suares1> kalinichta, if you are in GMT i guess...
[18:14] <highvoltage> he said he might have figured out the seeds but I haven't managed to talk to him since
[18:15] <sbalneav> I downloaded a DVD image last night, I'm planning on testing the install before I head out for the weekend.
[18:15] <ace_suares1> LaserJock made a dvd that you can download but it's a straight non-modified DVD. He said he want s to work on specific Edu stuff but I think he hasn't done it yet.
[18:15] <ace_suares1> I tested the install a week ago it was fine on first looks
[18:16] <highvoltage> ace_suares1: yes that iso has been around for a few weeks now
[18:16] <highvoltage> (as daily buidls)
[18:16] <sbalneav> Looks like the gartoon icon set's been updated.  Will that make it in, or is it too late?
[18:16] <highvoltage> I'm burning to have an actual edubuntu disc that we can test
[18:17] <highvoltage> sbalneav: It's not too late for it to go in, but I don't think anyone is actively looking at it
[18:18] <ace_suares1> i did the test as a virtualbox sesson with the iso.
[18:18] <sbalneav> Hm, wonder how hard it would be to update the package.  I'd be willing to look at it, but I might need some help
[18:18] <sbalneav> mdz doesn't love us anymore :(
[18:19] <highvoltage> sbalneav: you can ping me if you're working on it
[18:19] <highvoltage> sbalneav: otherwise I might try it myself for my work towards motu
[18:19] <highvoltage> sbalneav: yeah mdz is just busy :)
[18:20] <sbalneav> highvoltage: Well, if you want it for motu, go ahead. :)
[18:20] <sbalneav> I've reached my level of incompetence, and doubt I'll ever be smart enough for motu :(
[18:20] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I'm just afraid that I might not get to it, if you beat me I won't complain
[18:21] <highvoltage> sbalneav: bah, don't be so hard on yourself
[18:21] <sbalneav> Just realistic.
[18:21] <sbalneav> A man should know his limitations
[18:21] <ace_suares1> I think the DVD has been around for about a week, i mean the edubuntu specific one, maybe 10 days.
[18:21] <sbalneav> And brother, do I have limitations :)
[18:22] <highvoltage> sbalneav: of course you do, but I strongly believe that you have what it takes
[18:22] <ace_suares1> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/WikiSite/Meeting/Logs/2009-09-04, need to summarize though
[18:22] <sbalneav> Making some headway on the handbook.
[18:22] <ace_suares1> it's nice to be able to refer to the raw logs like this:
[18:22] <ace_suares1> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/09/04/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t18:02
[18:22] <highvoltage> ace_suares1: edubuntu-specific?
[18:22] <ace_suares1> it starts at that time in the log. Cool.
[18:23] <sbalneav> How much time do I have before I have to finalize it?
[18:23] <ace_suares1> highvoltage: yeah the one LaserJock made is Edubuntu specific, isn't it?
[18:23] <highvoltage> ace_suares1: that iso is the one that I requested with colin watson, it's currently basically just an ubuntu DVD
[18:24] <ace_suares1> highvoltage: oh I thought LaserJock made that one
[18:24] <highvoltage> ace_suares1: it's been generated since about 2009-08-20
[18:24] <highvoltage> ace_suares1: laserjock must modify the seeds so that it becomes edubuntu-specific
[18:24] <ace_suares1> highvoltage: or did i speak yo you last week about putting some more edubuntu specifici stuff in the base install, like the meta packages? I must be confused!
[18:25] <highvoltage> ace_suares1: I did speak to you about it, although not last week iirc
[18:25] <ace_suares1> I menat this one: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/current/
[18:25] <ace_suares1> highvoltage: okay i am confusing you and lj on the issue, sorry
[18:26] <highvoltage> ace_suares1: yes, unless the seeds have been updated, that will be a standard ubuntu DVD
[18:26] <ace_suares1> highvoltage: yes, and i spoke to you (probably) about chaging the seeds so that there would be something in the menu about education... didn't I????
[18:26] <highvoltage> ace_suares1: it's our biggest priority atm, because if the seeds aren't finalised by the next alpha, there won't be an edubuntu 9,10.
[18:27] <highvoltage> I guess we'll have to check with LasrJock for more info there, earlier this week it did sound like he had it pretty much figured out.
[18:28] <ace_suares1> yeah that's what I thought, that LaserJock was working on that
[18:29] <ace_suares1> So if there is no real agenda, can I ask what we think a good meetign schedule would be, as the current one (each Friday 17 UTC) isn't sufficient, according to the mails on the list?
[18:30] <highvoltage> ace_suares1: what about wednesdays?
[18:32] <ace_suares1> Another question, is there anyone with thoughts on my 'bold' move to move the old meetinglogs as detailed in the messages on the list?
[18:35] <youcanlinux> howdy from southern ontario
[18:35] <highvoltage> ace_suares1: I'm sorry I need to run now, but I'll read up on it a bit later. I trust you with the meetinglogs though, it's been unmaintained for a long time now.
[18:35] <ace_suares1> howdy youcanlinux
[18:36] <youcanlinux> Hi Ace... good to see you here. Maybe the next meeting ?
[18:36] <ace_suares1> highvoltage: thank you for the vote of support - i really needed that (and the more the better).
[18:36] <youcanlinux> Ace, thanks for trying to do stuff for the community. Take care.
[18:37] <youcanlinux> hang in there :-)
[18:37] <ace_suares1> youcanlinux: what do you mean by maybe the next meeting?!
[18:37] <youcanlinux> maybe we'll meet up then
[18:37] <ace_suares1> youcanlinux: I will try but it's a lot harder that I'd thought
[18:37] <ace_suares1> youcanlinux: okay but you are here, now??
[18:37] <youcanlinux> No worries. You just keep on keepin' on.
[18:37] <youcanlinux> Yes, I am here now. But I thought you stated that you had to get going.
[18:38] <ace_suares1> no, that was highvoltage
[18:38] <ace_suares1> sbalneav: if you are still there...
[18:39] <youcanlinux> oh! Sorry. Anyway, so sorry I'm late.
[18:39] <ace_suares1> sbalneav: how's sabayon coming?
[18:39] <ace_suares1> youcanlinux: glad you are here :0
[18:40] <youcanlinux> i'm trying to get more involved in the community. Not easy, but I figure I'll give it a try...
[18:40] <ScottK> sabayon got removed from Debian and there was some discussion on #ubuntu-devel today about should Ubuntu remove it too.
[18:40] <ace_suares1> youcanlinux: what's your qualities and interests? Coding, Docs, translation, ???
[18:40] <ace_suares1> ScottK: hi scott.
[18:40] <ace_suares1> sbalneav: what are you thought son that?
[18:41] <ogra> ScottK, !!! no !
[18:41]  * ace_suares1 corrects: thoughts on that ie removal of sabayon?
[18:41] <youcanlinux> I can do technical writing and some translation. I am starting to do videos.
[18:41] <ScottK> ogra: Just parroting what was said there.
[18:41] <youcanlinux> tutorials.
[18:41] <ogra> ScottK, we have an active maintainer who even participates upstream and just cant package
[18:41] <ScottK> ogra: I'm not the one to talk to.
[18:41]  * ace_suares1 seconds ogra
[18:41] <ogra> ScottK, who decided that ?
[18:41] <youcanlinux> and I do advocacy
[18:41] <ScottK> ogra: I don't think it was decided. pitti was asking
[18:42] <ScottK> I'd take it up with him.
[18:42] <ace_suares1> youcanlinux: swell, you might be able to work with sbalneav on the handbook or with me on the wiki
[18:42] <ace_suares1> youcanlinux: if i don't give it all up, then after the wiki i'd like to work on the website
[18:42] <Ahmuck> morning
[18:42] <ace_suares1> hi Ahmuck
[18:43] <youcanlinux> you can look at my current website, youcanlinux.com, I'm redoing a video now.
[18:43] <ace_suares1> removing sabayon from ubuntu in karmic would pose some problems for edubuntu, I guess.
[18:43] <alkisg> Let's hear from sbalneav about this, I thought he was asked to take up as the debian sabayon maintainer?
[18:43] <youcanlinux> but handbook and wiki sounds cool.
[18:44] <youcanlinux> I'm going to be installing Karmic on my old laptop, hopefully this weekend. On this system I'm running 9.04
[18:44] <ogra> ScottK, thanks a lot, i pinged him
[18:45] <ace_suares1> youcanlinux: nice site. I'll study later. You are in a local linux club or just trying to start one up? Here in curacao it's near impossible to start a linux club, i've been trying for almost 7 years
[18:45] <Ahmuck> iirc, sabayon was supposed to be included in karamic and then if something different that might peform the task easier and was easier to program became avaialbe a re-evalutaion would be done
[18:45] <ace_suares1> sbalneav: ping!
[18:45] <youcanlinux> It turns out there is a local club, kind of, it's still a ways from here, but they weren't on any LUG list and I stumbled upon it. You're in Brazil ?
[18:46] <youcanlinux> Thanks, by the way.
[18:46] <ace_suares1> ogra since you here, and this question for all others too,  I want to move the specs but leave a redirect in their old locations so nothing will break. Any objections to that?
[18:46] <ace_suares1> I am in www.curacao.com
[18:47] <youcanlinux> Very nice. Curacao looks like a paradise.
[18:47] <ogra> ace_suares1, i'll try to keep out of that discussin, i'm with LaserJock here ...
[18:47] <ScottK> JFTR, wiki moves are generally a bad idea
[18:47] <Ahmuck> what's the meeting about ?
[18:48] <youcanlinux> Hi Ahmuck and everybody, I was just introducing myself. I'm in southern Canada.
[18:48] <sbalneav> ace_suares1: Sorry, management walked into my orifice :)
[18:48] <ace_suares1> ScottK: but a new copy of somehting, with a redirect in the old place, that is not considered a move, is it?
[18:48] <ace_suares1> sbalneav: wb!
[18:48] <ogra> ScottK, thats what Laser said in his mail to the list, but i wont pretend to be the bad guy for edubuntu stuff anymore, if moves are needed i said my words :)
[18:49] <sbalneav> Sorry, what's this about removing sabayon?
[18:49] <ogra> sbalneav, so you should have a word with pitti, apparently the desktop team woants to remove sabayon altogether from ubuntu because there is nobody taking care
[18:49] <sbalneav> Oh, thought I was :)
[18:49] <ogra> sbalneav, so express to him that you take care but need someone to do the packaging and uploads :)
[18:50] <sbalneav> ok, I can talk to him.
[18:50] <sbalneav> In #ubuntu?
[18:50] <ogra> he might be gone for the day though
[18:50] <sbalneav> OK
[18:50] <ogra> we all had a long day here (with release meeting)
[18:50] <sbalneav> Yeah, he's gone
[18:51]  * ogra is busy since 12h now and wanted to go long ago already :)
[18:51] <sbalneav> pitti@ubuntu.com or pitti@canonical.com
[18:51]  * ace_suares1 gives ogra chocolate bar for more energy
[18:51] <sbalneav> ?
[18:51] <ogra> but the sabayon statement couldnt stay uncommented :)
[18:51] <sbalneav> I'll send him an email.
[18:51] <ogra> sbalneav, i guess both works
[18:51] <sbalneav> ok
[18:51] <ogra> Martin Pitt <martin.pitt@ubuntu.com>
[18:52] <ogra> heh, neither :P
[18:52] <sbalneav> okiedoke, sending an email
[18:52] <Ahmuck> so, what's the meeting about?
[18:52] <ogra> sbalneav, and pay ScottK a beer once you meet him, he pointed it out
[18:52] <Ahmuck> hi noy
[18:53] <noy> hello
[18:53] <youcanlinux> I need to get the gnupg going and get a launchpad account. I've been meaning to...
[18:54] <ogra> ace_suares1, btw, onmce you get meetings with proper agenda and assign actiona items etc, you should make friends with MootBot here in this channel ;) its a very helpful tool to organize meetings and will write a lot of the log stuff for you (its documented somewhere on the wiki, all teams use it usually)
[18:54] <ace_suares1> okay thanks I will definately do that ogra
[18:54] <ace_suares1> I contacted scribes team but didn't get a reaction at all.
[18:54]  * ogra cant type anymore
[18:55] <ogra> they are not very active, but not dead either i think
[18:55] <ace_suares1> maybe they don't like me or they are dead
[18:55] <ogra> no, they care for the bug which is used daily
[18:55] <ogra> *bot
[18:55] <ogra> sorry
[18:55] <ace_suares1> okay
[18:55] <ogra> i really need to stop working now ...
[18:56] <sbalneav> ok, I've sent hom an email
[18:56] <ace_suares1> I'll check the bot
[18:56] <ogra> check the wiki too, there is docs for it
[18:56]  * ace_suares1 sends ogra some immediate sleep
[18:56] <ogra> heh, see you and enjoy your meeting guys :)
[18:57] <ace_suares1> So, just to be clear (ogra, you don't need to answer ;-): I can put the specs in another place and make redirects from the old locaitons and everybody will be happy?
[18:57] <ace_suares1> even ScottK and LaserJock?
[19:00] <ace_suares1> It's an hour in the meeting, does anyone have more points or issues? Else, someone ring the bell :)
[19:00] <youcanlinux> ding ding ?
[19:00] <ace_suares1> guess the meeting is over then...
[19:01] <sbalneav> bonk
[19:01] <youcanlinux> my schedule will be different next week, but let's see how it goes.
[19:04] <ace_suares1> bye all
[19:04] <youcanlinux> bye
[19:06] <alkisg> bye
[19:36] <ScottK> ace_suares1: So you say you're going to do the opposite of what I've told you repeatedly and expect I'll be happy?  I have no idea what planet that make sense on.