[02:09] !log [02:09] Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [03:41] Hello all [03:41] I am looking to see if I can possibly re-register on UbuntuForums... [03:41] I haven't been on it in a long time [03:42] and was banned about year or so ago [03:43] is anyone here? [03:45] yes i'm here [03:45] :D [03:47] ... [03:53] Hello? [03:53] is anyone here? [03:54] hi Megiddo2 [03:54] um.... [03:54] I know I have to wait till the counsil meeting for this [03:54] this channel is for meetings, for support see #ubuntu or #ubuntu-locoteams [03:55] but I probably wont be able to make it due to work... [03:55] is there any way I can get my account unbanned or get granted access to make a new one? [03:57] or is there any way to contact Ubuntu-geek or any of the other forum counsil members to discuss this? [04:04] anyone? [08:00] pgquiles: you around? [08:00] o/ [08:01] :o [08:02] soren: afaics pgquiles didn't send an email to the MC list, or did you see one? [08:03] dholbach: I'm here [08:03] pgquiles: ah great... I thought you weren't around because you didn't reply to my PM :) [08:04] pgquiles: how are you doing? [08:04] dholbach: I didn't notice :-) [08:04] pgquiles: I'm just waking up, it's 9 AM here :-) [08:04] same here :) [08:04] so... I had a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/pgquiles/MOTUApplication and you're applying for MOTU [08:05] which packages would you like to be able to upload to the archive? [08:05] well, yes, technically I am [08:05] packages? actually, none [08:05] let me explain [08:06] I'm a debian maintainer (libmsn, witty) and I have a large PPA where I backport/package lots of stuff for hardy and jaunty [08:06] did you get in touch with the backports team already? [08:06] MOTU status involves upload rights [08:06] I'm not really interested in getting packages only in ubuntu (i. e. MOTU) because I get them in ubuntu through debian [08:06] I only wanted to be able to post to planet ubuntu [08:06] plain and simple [08:06] ah ok [08:07] Oh. [08:07] so that'd be "contributing developer" instead of "motu" :) [08:07] I tried to apply for ubuntu membership and was told I'm too technical, so I should apply for motu [08:07] so here I am [08:07] pgquiles: you seem to have an interest in backporting [08:07] there are some packages I've not got yet in Debian I could upload to ubuntu as MOTU, but I'd prefer them go to through debian [08:07] pgquiles: are you aware of the ubuntu backports process? [08:08] dholbach: my interest is purely selfish: I've got a few servers and notebooks with hardy and sometimes I need more recent versions :-) [08:08] dholbach: ubuntu backport process? mmm no [08:08] sure, you're not the only one [08:08] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports [08:09] and they are constantly looking for help in the team :) [08:09] oh, nice :-) [08:09] (I'm reading that page) [08:12] pgquiles: the MOTU Council doesn't have quorum at the moment, so unfortunately we can't approve or reject your request right now anyway, but may I suggest that you get in touch with the team and help out there? I'd be happy to help you get in touch with them to see what you can do there [08:13] pgquiles: I read your application with great interest, but was a bit surprised to not see any endorsements of other members on there [08:13] dholbach: ok, thanks [08:13] dholbach: I've never worked with any other MOTU or ubuntu member [08:14] to us it's important that ubuntu members collaborate with each other and the backports team might be the perfect spot for you [08:14] pgquiles: I'd be very happy to help you get in touch with people and see what you can do there [08:14] dholbach: perfect [08:14] pgquiles: so shall we try that and you come back to another meeting in a couple of weeks? is that alright with you? [08:15] pgquiles: I appreciate your contributions very much and am sure there's a lot of users who see that similarly :) [08:15] it's ok. [08:15] funny, my PPA would fix some of the backport requests (clamav, git, etc) :-) [08:15] and I wouldn't like to see you disheartened or discouraged [08:15] pgquiles: thanks a lot for your understanding [08:16] np [08:16] I'll start off an email in a bit to introduce you to the rest of the team! [08:16] rock and roll! more backports! :-) [08:16] thank you [08:16] no worries :-) [08:16] alright... moving on [08:17] soren: do you have anything else to discuss? [08:18] Not for this meeting, no. [08:18] ok perfect [08:18] meeting adjourned. === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === fader|away is now known as fader_ === imlad is now known as imlad|away === elky` is now known as elky === marjomercado is now known as marjo === imlad|away is now known as imlad === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn === lamont` is now known as lamont [15:36] slangasek: if the question about base-installer integration comes up during the release-meeting (for upddate-manager). I commited a fix to bzr and will to upload today, i just want to test it some more [15:52] mvo: ack, thanks [15:52] slangasek: ogra will present the mobile report this week; I'll watch and mock him [15:52] heh [15:53] Well no I wont cause I prepared the report [15:53] I'll just poke him! [15:54] * ogra feels poked [15:56] hello [15:57] hello [15:59] * apw fades in ... [15:59] * ogra strands [15:59] slangasek, covering pgraner who is out today i believe [15:59] * slangasek waves [16:00] hey [16:00] #startmeeting [16:00] Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is slangasek. [16:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:00] * ScottK waves [16:00] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2009-09-11 [16:00] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2009-09-11 [16:00] [TOPIC] previous actions [16:00] New Topic: previous actions [16:00] # [16:00] mvo to include base-installer as update-manager submodule for CPU->kernel mapping [16:00] # [16:00] fader to filter http://people.canonical.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html to avoid showing Xubuntu-specific failures [16:00] # marjo to prepare off-line report of Alpha 5 ISO test results [16:00] # robbiew to follow up with mpt regarding software-store by default in karmic [16:01] mvo commented just before the meeting that this is fix-committed and will be uploaded today [16:01] slangasek: it is filtered now so that is done [16:01] fader_: great, thanks! [16:01] right now, I don't expect the software-store package to be installed by default [16:01] marjo: how's the ISO report going? Managing to scrape anything from the web interface? [16:02] I have a meeting with ivanka and mvo next week to see what we can do for karmic [16:02] i.e. maybe change "Add/Remove" to the new name [16:02] robbiew: hmm, so the decision isn't final until next week? [16:02] slangasek: yes, i have but it's a lot of data [16:02] should we give it a try? [16:02] marjo: can you email it to us? [16:02] which will hopefully *NOT* be Software Store...yes [16:02] final next week [16:02] ok [16:02] slangasek: sure, that would be better [16:03] [ACTION] robbiew meeting with ivanka and mvo next week to settle software store plans for karmic [16:03] ACTION received: robbiew meeting with ivanka and mvo next week to settle software store plans for karmic [16:03] [TOPIC] QA Team [16:03] New Topic: QA Team [16:04] getting right to it, then [16:04] * Hardware testing status [16:04] Nautilus crashes and restarts at startup (LP #403549) is no longer showing up in the results. [16:04] Acer Aspire One is having booting issues; cr3 is investigating. [16:04] Launchpad bug 403549 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV immediately after start up" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/403549 [16:05] any questions? [16:05] [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html [16:05] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~fader/hw-testing/current.html [16:05] * specs status [16:05] * UbuntuSpec:karmic-qa-increase-apport-adoption [16:05] +filebug redirect: Working with Launchpad team on testing new behavior on staging area. [16:05] that report looks like all-pass now except for a few untested, is that accurate? [16:05] yes [16:05] (there was a lot of red in previous passes) [16:05] great! [16:06] it's looking good [16:06] indeed [16:06] slangasek: It is accurate, as the failures we were seeing were not hardware related (e.g. the xubuntu bugs) and have been filtered out [16:06] excellent [16:06] also nautilus seems fixed [16:06] \o/ [16:06] crash, i mean [16:06] of the untested units, the Dell ones are most significant [16:07] mdz: Understood. I will focus on those first then [16:07] and the acer aspire one [16:07] dell PE 2970 and acer aspire one (the other dell is a duplicate I noticed, should probably be marked as such) [16:07] (2950) [16:07] mdz: I'll be reporting a bug about the aspire one today while I'm testing the other laptops [16:08] next spec [16:08] marjo: how are the other specs? [16:08] * UbuntuSpec:karmic-qa-extended-audio-testing [16:08] Implemented [16:08] * UbuntuSpec:karmic-qa-metrics-based-testing-phase-2 [16:08] Marc has the output of metrics from Phoronix in order to define the schema for supporting quantitative test results in addition to qualitative test [16:08] results. For now, the existing schema will have to be augmented with the following fields: [16:08] value (float): the result from running metrics based tests [16:08] scale (string): the unit or scale for the values, eg. kbps [16:08] proportion (string): whether higher or lower values are better [16:09] Marc = cr3 [16:09] any questions? if not, that's it from QA team [16:10] marjo, you're emailing the milestone test report? [16:10] mdz: yes [16:10] no other questions here [16:11] thx [16:11] thank you [16:11] [TOPIC] Desktop Team [16:11] New Topic: Desktop Team [16:11] hi [16:11] as usual, current status is on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus [16:11] this week the langpack uninstallability was fixed, and some other RC bugs, but bugs keep piling up [16:11] new langpacks were uploaded and work with ffox 3.5 now [16:11] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus [16:11] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus [16:11] we discussed the emphathy/pidgin by default question, and we decided to keep the current status quo by and large, so no major changes here [16:11] DX integration rush settled down a bit feature-wise now, but they are still working full steam on fixing some functionality regressions from jaunty [16:11] overall, I've seen there's been very good turnover on desktop team bugs this week [16:12] we had deep conversations about the latter, and brushing up the release management on those, so I think Ken has a good overview now [16:12] they are all milestoned properly etc. now [16:13] most bugs are well underway; I wish people would upload a bit more often, but none of them are on the "OMGkittensdie" level, so getting them fixed for the beta should mostly suffice [16:13] the only thing that concerns me a little is bug 256245 [16:13] Launchpad bug 256245 in kpackagekit "Kubuntu GUI package manager does not warn if packages are unsigned" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/256245 [16:13] since it will involve getting a new PackageKit major version [16:13] milestoned> also targeted, so /I/ get an overview? :) [16:14] alternatively we could just declare it "as good as it gets for karmic", but it's certainly not optimal [16:14] slangasek: until Wednesday, only on their projects; I asked ken to add Ubuntu tasks to them and add our own milestones [16:14] ok [16:14] davidbarth, has a good summary of #dx status [16:14] I have a TODO item for that to talk to Brian to get the necessary privs to Ken [16:14] (milestoning and setting priority) [16:14] slangasek: yes, for DX the status is up at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/KarmicReleaseStatus [16:14] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/KarmicReleaseStatus [16:14] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/KarmicReleaseStatus [16:15] (packagekit new version is problematic without a policykit-1-kde package) [16:15] davidbarth: FYI, guest session works now [16:15] james_w: yes that's the blocker, it's being worked on but not sure of an ETA [16:15] james_w: eww [16:15] pitti: oh cool, this unblocks #404870 [16:15] james_w: that pretty much sounds like "as good as it gets" case then [16:16] Riddell: oh, it's still feasible? pk-1-kde would be great to get, to settle to a common API, but it's getting a bit late [16:17] pitti: hope so but I agree it's getting close [16:18] how soon is that going to be here if we're going to have it? [16:18] can we have that by next week, or are we talking about something that's going to be pushing beta? [16:19] slangasek: pushing beta I suspect [16:19] in better news kdebluetooth found a new maintainer so there may be fixes comeing there [16:20] Riddell: you'll send that through FFe, then? Bug #256245 is unpleasant, but as it's not a regression I don't think we should be too fast and loose with changes to fix it [16:20] Launchpad bug 256245 in kpackagekit "Kubuntu GUI package manager does not warn if packages are unsigned" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/256245 [16:20] yep [16:20] * slangasek nods [16:21] slangasek: of note for DX, #425552 - "[Karmic Alpha 5] no preferences settings in indicator-applet-session logging out menu (top right menu)" - possible regression [16:21] slangasek: we don't have preferences for that by design [16:21] slangasek: and xsplash artwork upload postponed to the artwork freeze [16:23] ok [16:24] davidbarth: FYI, I asked slangasek to look at the FFE for bug 423450 (I think that's also blocking you) [16:24] Launchpad bug 423450 in gdm "FFE: Add user manager dbus interface to gdmserver" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/423450 [16:24] yes, I'll have a look at that later this morning [16:24] davidbarth: is i-s depending on that, or are you going to use the existing APIs for now? [16:24] I wasn't sure whether it's a blocker [16:24] davidbarth: Anything else remaining in terms of xsplash work? [16:25] pitti: yes, we're developing against the dbus api that was defined here [16:25] slangasek: 256245 is a regression from Hardy [16:25] can we please fix the throbber? :-) [16:25] ++ [16:25] davidbarth: ok, noted; thanks [16:25] ScottK: right... but not from the last two releases :/ [16:25] ScottK: anyway, I'd like to see it fixed, just making sure we're not taking shortcuts to do it [16:25] slangasek: Yes. The ability to stay on a release that doesn't have the regression is about to expire [16:26] Enough for now ... [16:27] ok, done digesting, no other questions here [16:27] anyone else? [16:28] 17:24 < lool> davidbarth: Anything else remaining in terms of xsplash work? [16:28] davidbarth: ^ [16:28] I thought some Xsession integration was pending [16:28] lool: it's in [16:29] Ok cool [16:29] lool: njpatel added that yesterday, and the new release of xsplash 0.7.1 takes that into account [16:29] Ok; I checked the changelog but wasn't sure it was what I thought it was; thanks [16:30] [TOPIC] Mobile Team [16:30] New Topic: Mobile Team [16:30] lool: it's the new add_signal api; unr now registers an additional signal to get in sync with xsplash [16:30] oh thats me ... ! :) [16:30] ogra, njpatel: heya [16:30] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic [16:30] Important stuff for A6: [16:30] - UNR needs a langpack upload planned for Sunday for A6 [16:30] - some debian-cd changes might be needed when the new armel kernels land [16:30] - moblin-remix likely to break often during transitions in Ubuntu and needs to be watched closely [16:30] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic [16:30] basically not much new, the OO.o bug starts getting very worrying ... [16:31] the initramfs-tools bug i will take care for to be solved before A6 [16:31] most of the rest is actually kernel team stuff and waits for their sprint [16:32] wrt OOo, it's gotten built now on arm, right? Has it been re-added to the seeds? [16:32] it builds but doesnt run [16:32] and i added it to the seeds, yes [16:32] ok [16:32] immediately after it built again [16:32] so our images are building true, at least [16:33] well, apparently pitti just broke glib for us :P [16:33] ogra: huh? [16:33] what debian-cd changes are going to be needed for armel kernels, and why? [16:33] so they arent buiolding atm :) [16:33] ogra: the assertion message stuff breaks arm? [16:33] oh [16:33] pitti: arm is slow, any/all version skew, nothing to see here :) [16:33] pitti: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31650513/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-armel.glib2.0_2.21.6-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [16:33] oh, it's a FTBFS [16:33] pitti: Didn't want to ping you just when you were reporting :-) [16:34] slangasek, the fixes for the udeb bug will require additional changes to debican-cd [16:34] ogra: ah, yes [16:34] slangasek: There's also a worrying bug when debootstraping which breaks our livefs builds; moblin remix and UNR are affected right now [16:34] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/359049 [16:34] Launchpad bug 359049 in linux-fsl-imx51 "imx51 udeb hardcodes linux version in vmlinuz binary name" [High,Fix committed] [16:34] ... and d-i. but it's nothing to get too worried about [16:34] waits for the rebased .31 kernels [16:34] lool: what bug is that? [16:34] yeah, its minor changes [16:34] lool: meh, this looks like arm doesn't have the new glibc yet? [16:35] slangasek: This morning StevenK told me it was https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysvinit/+bug/427709 [16:35] slangasek, i think lool refers to sysvinit :) [16:35] Launchpad bug 427709 in sysvinit "sysv-rc depends on insserv but it is not installable" [High,New] [16:35] but Scott rejected it [16:35] lool: I can disable the patch on arm if necessary, it's just for apport love [16:35] I didnt have time to chase it since [16:35] pitti: Oh indeed; it's trivial to fix the new glibc to build though [16:35] lool: ok, then we can just give back glib once glibc builds [16:36] I mean, glibc really ought to build on armel one way or the other, right? [16:36] s/glibc/eglibc sorry [16:36] [ACTION] slangasek to follow up on bug #427709 [16:36] yeah unless we find a way to run stuff without it :) [16:36] Launchpad bug 427709 in sysvinit "sysv-rc depends on insserv but it is not installable" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/427709 [16:36] ACTION received: slangasek to follow up on bug #427709 [16:36] pitti: absolutely and it's trivial to fix [16:36] pitti: Will fix it now [16:37] great [16:37] any other questions about arms or legs or other mobile parts ? [16:37] ogra, lool: anything to note regarding the overall spec status? should toolchain, freescale desktop be considered "implemented"? [16:37] slangasek: Yeah [16:38] 427709 should be an MIR for insserv I think [16:38] slangasek, well, freescale desktop has a workitem for every alpha/beta/rc [16:38] if Scott is intentionally pulling it in [16:38] slangasek: FSL is implemented and suffers from kernel bugs and might get optional additional stuff [16:38] lool: they're marked as "beta available", please mark the specs accordingly :) [16:38] slangasek: toolchain is implemented abd we need to babysit builds in case sonmething goes wrong [16:38] * ogra cares for fsl desktop [16:39] ogra: I don't think "test and install the milestone" is something that makes sense to keep track of as a spec; this is already integrated into our milestone release process [16:39] slangasek: done [16:39] done for fsl-desktop [16:39] cjwatson: agreed; do you want to nudge it in that direction? [16:39] slangasek, well, it looks good on the burndown chart :) but i can indeed drop these [16:40] done [16:40] well, commented anyway [16:41] cjwatson: Can we prepromote this? [16:41] you're a member of ~ubuntu-mir ;-) [16:41] anything else for mobile? [16:41] Naking that a MIR [16:42] cjwatson: I'd say yes then [16:42] I'll promote it for now, but if you could help shepherd it through the MIR process that would help [16:42] slangasek: UNR, all milestoned bugs fixed, including the last crashers [16:42] https://edge.launchpad.net/unr/+milestone/ubuntu-9.10-ui-freeze [16:42] cjwatson: Ok [16:42] davidbarth: great :) [16:42] neil and jason did a great job! [16:43] * ogra would love to see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/423632 fixed but thats just personal preference since it hurts my eyes :) [16:43] Launchpad bug 423632 in xsplash "xsplash wallpaper gradients are massively distorted at 16bpp depth" [Undecided,Confirmed] [16:44] (on armel at least) [16:44] anyway, if there are no further questions, i'm done [16:44] ogra: is that a general problem on armel, should xsplash be disabled there? [16:44] ogra: hmmm, ok; taking a look at his one for next week [16:44] slangasek, its a gerneral prob with that color depth [16:45] ogra: yes, I'm asking whether it affects all the relevant armel systems [16:45] the framebuffer driver i have for imx51 currently does rgb545 while the pic seems to assume rgb666 [16:45] i havent used a dove image that uses xsplash yet, NCommander ?? [16:46] ogra: there's an open bug on usplash being broken on dove [16:46] dont know if it's still current [16:46] I have yet to try xsplash on dove, usplash is known not to work at this time [16:46] i thought you tested live images already ... [16:46] xsplash is there by default [16:46] (the thing with the strange throbber) [16:46] ogra, I'm not setting splash on the command line, since with usplash, it prevents the image from booting [16:46] I need to set it manually if I want to test it [16:47] ogra: well, not a high priority then considering the buggy context, but we can carry an ARM-specific patch if you can guide bratsche to make a fix [16:47] davidbarth, i see it on 16bpp laptop x86 displays i have too [16:47] its not armel specific [16:47] but depends on the rgb value used for the pic [16:48] but its really minor [16:48] ogra: ok, you've raised the priority then ;) [16:48] ogra, davidbarth: further follow-ups to the bug, then? [16:48] anyway, please move on, we can discuss that off-meeting :) [16:48] [TOPIC] Kernel Team [16:48] New Topic: Kernel Team [16:48] Overall kernel team status is summarised at the URL below, including the bugs as called [16:48] out in the agenda. To highlight the worst of these, the suspend/hibernate not working and the bluetooth suspend hang are both believed fixed and awaiting test results. [16:49] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic [16:49] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Karmic [16:49] We have one other bug (bug #427822) impacting A6 specfically, the fallout from the ext3/fsck time checks is early boot, which lead to a full fsck on any crash regardless of the presence of the log. We have a test patch for that which keybuk is testing. This looks critical for a good kernel for A6. [16:49] Launchpad bug 427822 in linux "fsck says last write time in future" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/427822 [16:49] All the items which impact the distro release schedule seem to be progressing ok at this time. ARM enablement is now pretty much up to speed and in sync with the main kernel. With the release of mainline v2.6.31 the final rebase of the Karmic series has now been done and we are now targetting regression-potential bugs. [16:49] .. [16:52] 409233> do we need to escalate that with the people who can test it [16:52] ? [16:53] i have reprodded. we have two people with them in house, so will poke them today [16:54] ok [16:54] no other questions from me [16:54] anyone else? [16:54] Enjoy plumbers! [16:54] apw: actually, just looking quickly at the packages in the archive for 423426, I still don't see any virtio modules in the -virtual flavor [16:54] in -10.32 [16:55] slangasek, ok will go confirm that and reopen the bug if so [16:55] damned thing [16:55] damned bashisms [16:56] [TOPIC] Server Team [16:56] New Topic: Server Team [16:56] apw: thanks [16:56] hrm, do we have someone here from server team? [16:56] soren, smoser, mdz: is someone covering server team here? [16:57] [TOPIC] Foundations Team [16:57] New Topic: Foundations Team [16:57] Well... I didn't know that I was going to, but I've been trying to connect the dots. [16:57] we'll come back if someone turns up [16:57] slangasek: howdy [16:57] slangasek: I'm around [16:57] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus [16:57] [TOPIC] Server Team [16:57] New Topic: Server Team [16:58] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus [16:58] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus [16:58] ok then :) [16:58] :) [16:58] * soren is itching to get to dinner, so would like to go on :) [16:58] That page is up-to-date as of 15 minutes ago. [16:58] Since then, the status on.. [16:58] # [16:58] 423856: ec2-init should check for image upgrades, needed to complete server-karmic-ec2-upgrades [16:58] has changed. [16:59] fwiw, you list bug #424459 as targeted, but it wasn't - targeted to karmic now [16:59] It's been demilestoned, and set back to triaged. We've deferred this feature. [16:59] Launchpad bug 424459 in eucalyptus "Temporary file vulnerability in euca_conf" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/424459 [16:59] I've not yet updated the page. [16:59] ok [16:59] Whoops [16:59] Not that one :) [16:59] Oh, sorry, I got confused. [17:00] I thought ubottu was telling me about the bug I mentioned. [17:00] So yes, we have demilestoned and deferred bug 423856 [17:00]