[08:20] <bigon> lool: yeah de diff is againts debian
[13:42] <epuzarne> TomHal: ping
[13:42] <TomHal> epuzarne: yo
[15:37] <ian_brasil> umr is i386
[15:37]  * ian_brasil wonders what it is like on lpia
[15:37] <ogra> more broken ?
[15:39] <ian_brasil> ogra, most probably
[15:41] <davmor2> guys I'm going to have a play with a fresh unr install on HW anything I should look out for that should now be fixed?
[15:44] <lool> ian_brasil: dont use lpia
[15:44] <lool> ian_brasil: It's basically going away but it's cheaper to keep it than to bring it up again
[15:54] <GrueMaster> davmor2: do you have the hardware to reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/427479 ?  My system went down last week and is in for warranty repair.
[15:55] <GrueMaster> It's on an Acer Aspire One A110
[15:55] <davidbarth> lool: i've updated: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/KarmicReleaseStatus
[15:55] <davidbarth> lool: the milestoned bugs are all in: https://edge.launchpad.net/unr/+milestone/ubuntu-9.10-ui-freeze
[15:56] <lool> davidbarth: thanks
[15:56] <lool> davidbarth: sorry I didnt ping you about ours
[15:56] <davmor2> GrueMaster: I can have a look I'll have to dl the image though so it won't be for a bit
[15:56] <GrueMaster> k
[16:01] <davmor2> GrueMaster: luckily for you that is the exact machine I had :)
[16:03] <davmor2> have even
[16:03] <GrueMaster> Cool, excellent.
[16:03] <GrueMaster> I hope I get mine back soon.
[16:56] <ian_brasil> lool, will there be no new MID releases?
[16:56] <ogra> unless the community gets their MER port going its unlikely
[16:56] <lool> ian_brasil: No unless someone shapes them up again
[16:57] <ian_brasil> the guys from mer were asking about this
[16:57] <lool> ian_brasil: We did it for moblin 1; then we stopped doing any moblin stuff and focused on UNR and armel stuff; we can help interested people in getting a MID image out again but wont lead the effort
[16:59] <ian_brasil> fair enough
[17:02] <ian_brasil> what areas need most work?
[17:08] <lool> ian_brasil: Hildon merges from Debian, new upstream hildon versions, shaping the default config and updating seeds/metas, testing images
[17:34] <davmor2> GrueMaster: I can confirm from live session that it isn't seeing the atheros card for conections
[17:34] <GrueMaster> great.  sigh.
[17:34] <GrueMaster> Can you see what driver is loaded?  Should be ath5k.
[17:37] <davmor2> GrueMaster: lsmod | grep ath*  shows ath5k, mac80211, led_class
[17:37] <davmor2> although the leds aren't on like they are in unr
[17:38] <davmor2> or kne
[17:38] <GrueMaster> Ok, thanks.  Looks like this may be a netmanager issue then.
[17:45] <davmor2> GrueMaster: iwlist and iwconfig seem to want to try and do stuff but are unable to I'm wondering if the kill switch from ntemanager is the issue and the wireless is still switched off?
[17:46] <GrueMaster> if you can see any access points with "sudo iwlist wlan0 scan" then it should be working ok.
[17:46] <GrueMaster> That means the radio is on.
[17:48] <davmor2> yeah it's showing stuff up so it's on
[17:51] <GrueMaster> ok
[18:20] <ian_brasil> lool, with a sustained effort is a karmic MID release doable or is it too late?
[18:26] <lool> ian_brasil: Hmm would be hard but perhaps doable; it's hard to tell, it's been a while we didn't touch that stuff
[18:26] <lool> ian_brasil: With "sustained" efforts probably doable  :-)
[18:31] <ian_brasil> lool, ok..i will write to the list with some action points
[18:31] <ian_brasil> you want to help rbelem ?
[18:32] <rbelem> ian_brasil, yep :-)
[18:32] <ian_brasil> great
[18:33] <rbelem> I already worked with hildon related things at indt
[18:34] <ian_brasil> ok.."Hildon merges from Debian" is the thing I am most worried about if we are going to do this
[18:35] <ian_brasil> so experience with Hildon will be great
[18:35] <rbelem> no worries 
[18:37] <rbelem> ian_brasil, I will get latest hildon sources
[18:37] <lool> ian_brasil, rbelem: So what is it you would like to have in MID?  Mer?  Moblin 1?  Pure hildon?
[18:38] <rbelem> lool, maybe mer
[18:38] <ian_brasil> lool, Mer
[18:40] <rbelem> lool, what do you think is the best choice?
[18:40] <lool> ian_brasil, rbelem: So these folks are using OBS and must have some clearly defined source repos; you want to walk through their packages in leaf order, see whether we have them in ubuntu, whether the version is high enough/differs, and prepare ubuntu uploads updating karmic where relevant
[18:41] <lool> I would start by pulling an image from them, looking how it works and what components are used, then preparing a list of components/versions to compare against ubuntu
[18:41] <rbelem> cool
[18:42] <rbelem> lool, we'll start doing this
[18:43] <rbelem> lool, there is another project similar to hildon. do you remeber the name?
[18:44] <rbelem> lool, i remember that you were discussing about that last year, i guess
[18:51] <ian_brasil> rbelem, lets make a start with this then
[18:53] <rbelem> ian_brasil, lool, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Intrepid/Mobile/AlternativesToHildon
[19:03] <ian_brasil> rbelem, Kiker does not seem very active
[19:03] <ian_brasil> oops, Hiker
[19:06] <rbelem> ian_brasil, hum... but it seems more flexible than hildon.
[19:06] <rbelem> ian_brasil, lets see the latest hildon
[19:06] <ian_brasil> rbelem, ok
[19:09] <rbelem> ian_brasil, it will be really cool see the new tools on mid
[19:15] <lool> rbelem: intrepid is relatively old stuff by now
[19:18]  * rbelem is looking for hildon tarball
[19:18] <ian_brasil> rbelem, i would rather have a solid stable community release than bells and whistles..at least for a start
[19:20] <rbelem> ian_brasil, for now we can have an in the edge relase, and in kamic+1 it will be more stable
[19:21] <rbelem> ian_brasil, what do you think?
[19:22] <lool> ian_brasil, rbelem: You're not forced to keep the name MID BTW
[19:22] <lool> We have seeds and metas in place for it but that's all up to you
[19:22] <rbelem> hildon is not at http://git.gnome.org/cgit/
[19:22] <lool> I would align names with team names, upstream names and PPA name if possible
[19:23] <ian_brasil> that sounds like a good plan..i will ping the mer guys as I remember them saying they had set things up to work with ubuntu
[19:23] <rbelem> lool, i was playing with ubuntu-cdimage these times
[19:23] <lool> rbelem, ian_brasil: I suggest that whenever you're blocked on review / upload from one of the universe/main sponsors or us, you push to your PPA first and start integration with karmic + ppa
[19:23] <lool> rbelem: Hmm good luck
[19:24] <rbelem> lool, i'm very familiar with this right now
[19:24] <ian_brasil> lool, maybe it is better to keep MID than polluting the mobile namespace even more but lets think about that
[19:25] <lool> ian_brasil: In my opinion all generic names suck
[19:25] <lool> It's best to use codenames
[19:25] <lool> Like Mer
[19:25] <lool> If it's Mer you want to ship, check with them whether you can use that
[19:26] <lool> Like Ubuntu Mer Remix or something
[19:27] <rbelem> do you know what Mer means?
[19:29] <ian_brasil> rbelem, sea?
[19:29] <rbelem> ian_brasil, sea?
[19:29] <lool> Yeah
[19:29] <rbelem> nice!
[19:29] <rbelem> :-)
[19:30] <rbelem> i think Ubuntu Mer Remix is cool name
[19:31] <rbelem> lets use it :-D
[19:31] <lool> You are required to use "Remix" along Ubuntu if it's not 100% from Ubuntu packages, but you can keep using the name remix if you're built 100% from Ubuntu
[19:31] <lool> That's why we have Ubuntu Netbook Remix and Ubuntu Moblin Remix
[19:32] <rbelem> hum... i did know about that
[19:32] <rbelem> :-)
[19:33] <rbelem> lool, i have i meeting now, come back in some minutes
[19:35] <lool> it's 8:30 pm for me, might disappear any time
[19:36] <wutzara> then you are in an european time zone ;)