[03:08] <Flannel> Howdy _____dada
[03:09] <_____dada> hi
[03:22] <Seeker`> _____dada: how can we help you?
[04:30] <elky> dada, hi there. Can we help you with something?
[04:32] <Flannel> Seems he's forwarded here
[04:35] <elky> ah. the bot guy.
[04:35] <elky> ikonia, are you around?
[06:25]  * genii sips
[08:04] <genii> dada , _____dada , etc: We have no-idling guidelines in this channel. If you have some issue or question an operator can assist with, speak up about it. If you remain silent you will just be ejected after a time.
[08:10] <elky> genii, dada is forwarded here by ikonia so he can be spoken with about his bots, afaik
[08:16]  * genii sips his coffee
[09:22] <elky> !empathy
[09:23] <elky> !empathy is <reply>Empathy is an instant messaging and video chat client for GNOME. In !karmic, Empathy will replace Pidgin as the default IM client.
[10:04] <ikonia> Pricey: the news on Alvin is what I said earlier, I was not confident with the answers I saw in channel from him, however I know you put effort in with him in PM, if you feel confident with him, your welcome to remove the ban but from his answer in channel I was not confident.
[10:56] <elky> would you look at that. Bacta is acting and conversing civilly and maturely in -offtopic :D
[10:57] <ikonia> elky: give it time
[10:57] <ikonia> it only needs something he doesn't like to happen
[10:57] <ikonia> but kudos
[11:05] <elky> i dont think he's ever conversed this actively for this long in an ubuntu channel without throwing in something offensive for reactions
[11:07] <ikonia> agreed
[11:27] <nalioth> dada: can we help you?
[11:27] <ikonia> dada: oooh he's still here
[11:28] <ikonia> nalioth: I forwarded him here
[11:28] <ikonia> dada: are you active ?
[11:28] <ikonia> nalioth: thank you didn't notice he was still here
[11:43] <ikonia> I suggest removing dada from the channel for the moment if anyone can, he doesn't appear active in any of his other channels
[11:47] <ikonia> thank you
[12:09] <ikonia> _____dada: hello
[12:09] <ikonia> _____dada: are you active now ?
[12:14] <nalioth> from the nick, it doesn't look like it
[12:15] <ikonia> he actually does use that nick as an active nick on occasion, so I'm just checking
[12:15] <ikonia> plus he took a while to rejoin, thought he may be active now
[12:15] <ikonia> does look like another non-active nick
[12:16] <_____dada> hi
[12:16] <ikonia> ahhh you are active
[12:16] <ikonia> hello _____dada thank you for responding
[12:16] <_____dada> i am the first time to join this chanal
[12:17] <_____dada> i think i am not the dada that you look for.
[12:17] <ikonia> I think you are
[12:17] <ikonia> are you not the same person who has been running bots ?
[12:18] <ikonia> using the channel #cheers and running bots called "mydada" and "mybot" and names like that ?
[12:19] <_____dada> oh,not i am the person
[12:19] <ikonia> sorry - does that mean you are the same person ?
[12:20] <_____dada> there are so many dada in the world
[12:21] <_____dada> i am only the one,not the person
[12:21] <ikonia> _____dada: there are a lot of factors that point at you being the same person, are you saying you are not the person who has been running bots ?
[12:21] <ikonia> ahhh here is a bot not
[12:21] <ikonia> now
[12:21] <ikonia> here is one of your bots now - online the same time as you
[12:22] <ikonia> what are surprise - he's in #cheers with the bots
[12:22] <ikonia> the same guy again
[12:23] <elky> ikonia, want someone else to try with him then?
[12:23] <ikonia> please, to be honest, it's clear in my head, obvious liar
[12:24] <ikonia> running bots, admits to it, asked not to, continues to do so, asked not to, lies about it, while sitting in #cheers with his bots
[12:25] <ikonia> I don't see much point in pushing it too much further
[12:25] <elky> dada, i guess you are watching through __hi. can you please come back here so I can talk with you about bots?
[12:25] <elky> ikonia, what do the bots do, do you know?
[12:26] <ikonia> log, and spam - I'm sure they do more, they change in behaviour each time a bit
[12:26] <ikonia> it depends if the user is active when they are
[12:26] <ikonia> it's harvesting info as I recall at one time
[12:29] <ikonia> nalioth: you may want to look at what other channels __hi and mybot are in as I'm not sure of channels like ##linux's policy on bots and I know you op there
[12:30] <elky> hi _____dada
[12:30] <_____dada> hi
[12:31] <_____dada> i am sorry.
[12:31] <elky> _____dada, you have lots of bots in that channel of yours. Do you run them yourself?
[12:31] <_____dada> i just make a test with my friend to check the relationship in channal
[12:31] <_____dada> no,just two.
[12:32] <elky> _____dada, oh? what do they do?
[12:32] <nalioth> _____dada: do you have permission to run all those bots ?
[12:32] <_____dada> just draw some message
[12:32] <elky> _____dada, are you asking permission of people before making them join channels?
[12:33] <_____dada> from people talk in this chanal,that everybody can see in the chanal
[12:33] <_____dada> i am sorry
[12:33] <elky> _____dada, before you make your bot join new channels. Do you ask the people who own the channels?
[12:33] <elky> _____dada, i'm trying to help you, ok?
[12:33] <_____dada> ok
[12:33] <_____dada> i am sorry.
[12:34] <elky> _____dada, do you know how to check who owns channels?
[12:34] <_____dada> i don't know
[12:34] <elky> type /msg chanserv info #ubuntu-ops
[12:34] <ikonia> _____dada: do you remember me asking you not to run those bots in #ubuntu ?
[12:35] <elky> that tells you how to find who is owners of this channel.
[12:35] <_____dada> yeah.but i am sorry.my friend let it in when i go out
[12:36] <elky> _____dada, well pay attention here and you can teach you friend how to do the correct thing too :)
[12:36] <_____dada> ok.i am sorry.
[12:36] <nalioth> _____dada: can you remove your bots from freenode?
[12:37] <bernardlychan> hey could someone pleez read my ubuntu log files? whenever i log in with my monitor in, or i put my monitor in after i log in, the screen would freeze completely except for my mouse which can stil move but can't click anything. on rare occasions it just freezes even though i haven't even put my monitor in.
[12:37] <_____dada> it is not in freenode
[12:37] <_____dada> it just in my computer.
[12:37] <elky> bernardlychan, this is the ops channel.
[12:37] <ikonia> bernardlychan: I'm sorry - you've been banned from #ubuntu and are forwarded to #ubuntu-ops again. Please hang on while _____dada has his issue resolved
[12:37] <elky> _____dada, nalioth means to remove the bots from the whole network
[12:37] <nalioth> _____dada: you have several bots in different channels on freenode.  please remove them.
[12:37] <_____dada> it like a user to in the freenode
[12:38] <elky> nalioth, are you taking this on as freenode jurisdiction now?
[12:38] <_____dada> oh,ok.
[12:38] <bernardlychan> _____dada: do u live in china? and r u a woman (no ikonia... i'm not making fun of u)
[12:38] <nalioth> elky: the results are the same
[12:38] <ikonia> bernardlychan: I asked you to please wait for _____dada's issue to be resolveds
[12:38] <_____dada> ok
[12:38] <ikonia> bernardlychan: please be quiet and wait for his issue to be resolved
[12:38] <_____dada> it just in cheers
[12:39] <elky> nalioth, well, we have a queue, and if it's now freenode jurisidiction, it can occur outside this channel and we can help bernardlychan.
[12:39] <bernardlychan> soz ikonia: i thought i knew her/him
[12:39] <ikonia> bernardlychan: that has nothing to do with what I asked - please wait quietly
[12:39] <bernardlychan> ok
[12:40] <bernardlychan> ?
[12:40] <_____dada> why are say i live in china?
[12:40] <ikonia> _____dada: please ignore bernardlychan at this time
[12:40] <ikonia> _____dada: please focus on the discussion with nalioth
[12:40] <bernardlychan> becuase my aunt names herself dada and lives in china. sosry ikonia... i'll shuddup
[12:41] <ikonia> bernardlychan: what part of wait quietly am I not making clear to you ?
[12:41] <bernardlychan> ok ok
[12:41] <ikonia> _____dada: nalioth is dealing with your issue in your channel, so could please leave this channel and finish up with nalioth
[12:41] <_____dada> ok
[12:41] <ikonia> _____dada: thank you
[12:42] <_____dada> i will never let my bot in ubuntu
[12:42] <ikonia> _____dada: please leave this channel and finish talking to nalioth in your channel
[12:42] <elky> _____dada, thanks for talking with me here. You can leave now :)
[12:42] <nalioth> _____dada: we can continue in your channel
[12:43] <_____dada> they are all out
[12:43] <_____dada> out the freenode
[12:44] <elky> _____dada, ok. thanks.
[12:44] <_____dada> how can i send photo to you
[12:44] <ikonia> _____dada: please leave this channel and continue your discussion with nalioth
[12:45] <elky> _____dada, no photos. please go back to your channel now. bye! :)
[12:46] <ikonia> bernardlychan: be with you ASAP
[12:47] <bernardlychan> can i someone pm me apart from ikonia? (ikonia pleez don't say it would make no difference, i'm not trying to make things hard, it's just that i think i'd have a better conversation with someone else when regarding our history togerther)
[12:47] <ikonia> bernardlychan: issues are discussed in here
[12:47] <ikonia> bernardlychan: now ___dada has left lets resolve your issue
[12:47] <bernardlychan> ok but could someone deal with me apart from u... yea ok
[12:47] <ikonia> bernardlychan: no, I'm sorry -
[12:48] <bernardlychan> yea i thought so. ok.
[12:48] <ikonia> bernardlychan: you've been banned from ubuntu again due to not being able to respect the rules
[12:48] <bernardlychan> ok
[12:48] <ikonia> you then persisted to attempt to troll me in other channels to the point where I had to call on freenode staff and they had to talk to you before you logged out
[12:49] <bernardlychan> troll?
[12:49] <ikonia> bernardlychan: I'm personally tired of your clear disgregard and apparant inability to follow not only the rules, but direction when you break the rules
[12:49] <ikonia> bernardlychan: try be be rude/cause insult me
[12:49] <bernardlychan> ok, plees tell me when u've finished and i'll give my side of the argument and pleez don't interrupt me until i say finished coz i haven't interrupted u in this.
[12:49] <ikonia> please do so
[12:50] <bernardlychan> ok...
[12:54] <bernardlychan> firstly, surely most people wouldnt mind if i put something in ubuntu channel about getting album art on itunes. this is because most people have dualbooted, amarok can use this stuff too, and also, it would only take a few lines which would take 5 secs. secondly, ikonia, you haven't been completely fair with me either. you've actually been quite rude and hostile to me. when i put the itunes thing, you acted like i'd just dropped th
[12:54] <bernardlychan> finished. now let's argue :)
[12:54] <ikonia> bernardlychan: no argument
[12:54] <elky> half of what you said got cut off.
[12:54] <elky> "just dropped t"
[12:54] <bernardlychan> ?
[12:54] <ikonia> bernardlychan: you where asking for itunes/pod support
[12:55] <ikonia> ahhh yes it cut off at like i'd just dropped th
[12:55] <bernardlychan> it got cut off?
[12:55] <ikonia> bernardlychan: yes, irc can only paste so many lines at once
[12:55] <bernardlychan> he a-bomb and just told me to leave straight away. then i asked, anyone else, and people told me to leave, but they said pleese and they also helped me quite a bit. now i'm not saying that you should say please. let's be honest i was doing the wrong thing, but maybe next time you could help? even just giving me the offtopic channel would've helped quite a lot. and yea, i was really annoyed at u so i just let myself off at u in apple
[12:55] <ikonia> I get caught with it all the time
[12:55] <bernardlychan> it should end at the apple channel
[12:55] <bernardlychan> sorry
[12:55] <bernardlychan> :)
[12:55] <elky> bernardlychan, the IRC RFC specifies a message limit. it's annoying for everyone.
[12:56] <bernardlychan> kk ty elky... can u see the end now?
[12:56] <elky> bernardlychan, yep.
[12:56] <bernardlychan> k kool.
[12:58] <ikonia> bernardlychan: I'll correct what you've just said
[12:59] <ikonia> bernardlychan: you asked for ipod/itunes support in the channel, I didn't ask you to leave, I stated it was offtopic for #ubuntu, you then asked AGAIN straight away,
[12:59] <ikonia> bernardlychan: I made it clear that it was not the right channel again to you
[12:59] <ikonia> others then joined in and took the channel offtopic
[12:59] <bernardlychan> that's wat i said ikonia. in my "argument" before i said, " then i asked, anyone else, and people told me to leave...
[12:59] <ikonia> you then joined apple and started making personal comments to me to the point when I had to request assistance from freenode
[13:00] <ikonia> you then said you wanted to apologies to #ubuntu - staff told you not to, you did it anyway, so you got banned
[13:00] <ikonia> it's that simple
[13:00] <ikonia> bernardlychan: I didn't tell you to leave at any time
[13:00] <bernardlychan> yea. i was annoyed at you.
[13:00] <elky> ikonia, date and approx time for this?
[13:00] <ikonia> elky: one moment I'll grab
[13:01] <elky> thanks
[13:01] <bernardlychan> ikonia: u and i both know that it's not so simple
[13:01] <ikonia> it is
[13:02] <bernardlychan> um. no.
[13:02] <bernardlychan> u r always acting so hostile towards me.
[13:02] <bernardlychan> ur no help really.
[13:02] <elky> bernardlychan, if you started abusing ikonia in ##apple because of something in #ubuntu, then that's really not good. Some people would call it harrassment.
[13:02] <bernardlychan> it isn't just that elky
[13:02] <ikonia> elky: one moment, the it was when the bot was down as the ban is not logged in BT as it was a cloak ban
[13:02] <ikonia> elky: I'll have to dig a little harder
[13:03] <elky> ikonia, grep your logs and link us to the official ones on irclogs.ubuntu.com maybe?
[13:03] <elky> bernardlychan, if it's not just that, then what?
[13:03] <bernardlychan> ikonia: you r always so mean to me. some other guys, even ops would not deal with me with so much hostility. they do not just tell me to shut tup
[13:04] <bernardlychan> and ikonia: u have been mean to me many times
[13:04] <bernardlychan> not just once.
[13:04] <ikonia> 289.2 minutes ago
[13:04] <ikonia> bernardlychan: no-one told you to shut up
[13:04] <bernardlychan> and i have never picked on u before, before this.
[13:04] <bernardlychan> u told me to be quiet
[13:04] <bernardlychan> or something like that
[13:04] <elky> ikonia, do I look like rainman to you? :P
[13:05] <ikonia> that can't bne right 282.8 ??
[13:05] <ikonia> my math is wrong, I'll dig it out
[13:05] <elky> bernardlychan, there's nothing wrong with asking someone to be quiet.
[13:05] <bernardlychan> i'll get the log wait
[13:05] <ikonia> won't keep you a second
[13:06] <bernardlychan> yes but arent ops supposed to be helpful and friendly?
[13:06] <elky> bernardlychan, the ops are supposed to maintain order and keep the channels on-topic.
[13:06] <bernardlychan> true.
[13:07] <nalioth> bernardlychan: "Helpful and friendly" includes keeping the channel "helpful and friendly"
[13:07] <ikonia> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/09/10/%23ubuntu.txt
[13:07] <nalioth> if you choose to violate the guidelines, you are not helping keep the channel "friendly"
[13:07] <bernardlychan> but would a few lines offtopic hurt? even when msot people who use ubuntu also dualboot with either win or mac?
[13:07] <elky> bernardlychan, you addressed ikonia as a "madam"?!
[13:07] <ikonia> bernardlychan: yes
[13:07] <ikonia> elky: keep reading - it gets better
[13:08] <bernardlychan> yah... look at the apple channel
[13:08] <nalioth> bernardlychan: "a few lines offtopic" from 1400 people would make #ubuntu unusable
[13:09] <bernardlychan> true. but surely... common sense (pleez dont say "how bout u get some common sense)
[13:09] <elky> bernardlychan, i'm really not impressed with your behaviour in that log. Why were you referring to ikonia as a woman?
[13:10] <bernardlychan> to make fun of him. well i guess someone (an op lol) referred to him as a woman once. i made fun of him becoz he's never helpful.
[13:10] <bernardlychan> wait lemme speak a little bit
[13:10] <bernardlychan> i've got something to type
[13:11] <elky> bernardlychan, do you realise how demeaning that behaviour is to actual women? It makes me feel like you think i'm a lesser person because you're emasculating ikonia.
[13:14] <bernardlychan> once i was having some trouble with ubuntu, it kept freezing. me, being a half-newbie, didn't know how to read the logs. i even had trouble copying them. so i just copied the whole of /var/logs, and then uploaded it to mediafire as a zip. then i asked the ubuntu channel if someone could help me read them. straight away, ikonia says for me to go away and paste them in pastebin because no one wants to see a zip. some other people very
[13:14] <bernardlychan> wait not finisehd...
[13:15] <ikonia> I won't be lied about
[13:15] <elky> "some other people ver"
[13:15] <ikonia> I have never told anyone to go away
[13:15] <elky> ikonia, let me handle it, ok?
[13:15] <bernardlychan> elky: i'm not making fun of women. i'm making fun of him as the opposite sex... ok elky wait i'll copy again
[13:15] <ikonia> elky: sure
[13:15] <bernardlychan> very kindly accepted though. ikonia var/logs has sooo many log files it would take me a few hours to paste them all into pastebin and then to paste all the links into irc. there have been many encounters like this too.
[13:15] <bernardlychan> hmm ok finished
[13:16] <bernardlychan> o that's true ikonia didn't say go away, but something along those lines that's ture sorry
[13:16] <elky> bernardlychan, that's the second time so far tonight you've said ikonia said something which he did not. stop doing that.
[13:17] <bernardlychan> not really elky. i couldn't thnk of anything to rite. he was basically telling me to go away anway. something along those lines.
[13:17] <elky> bernardlychan, if he did not say 'go away' then he did not mean 'go away'. ok?
[13:18] <bernardlychan> i'm sorry elky, let's not stay on this matter but he really did mean go away.
[13:19] <bernardlychan> elky?
[13:19] <elky> bernardlychan, we are supposed to be discussing the event that got you banned this time. so far I have no confidence that you wouldn't repeat it.
[13:19] <elky> what you did was very insulting and demeaning, not only to ikonia but to other people.
[13:21] <elky> bernardlychan, do you understand what I'm saying?
[13:21] <bernardlychan> elky, the only reason that i said something about the many previous events is because the reason i did the stupid act was becoz ikonia has been soo mean to me. i understand wat ur're saying and i thnk it was offensive too. but ikonia has been really mean to me
[13:22] <elky> bernardlychan, that's not a valid reason at all.
[13:22] <bernardlychan> why not elky?
[13:22] <bernardlychan> really it is. if someone has been rejecting for heaps and heaps, and u r not mean to them, don't just want to let urself go at them?
[13:22] <elky> bernardlychan, because that's just not how things work. No matter what ikonia has done to you, your behaviour is not excused at all.
[13:23] <Myrtti> wrongdoings of others do not justify yours
[13:23] <bernardlychan> true.
[13:24] <bernardlychan> i'm sorry for what i did. and i don't think that i should've done it and i wasn't thinking at the time. i'm sorry if i offended anyone
[13:24] <elky> bernardlychan, ok. well this is not your first ban, either, is it.
[13:25] <bernardlychan> no it isn't. the first time i swore at my friend in the channel.
[13:25] <bernardlychan> he got me on heaps of detentions at school that day.
[13:27] <elky> I remember that, yes. Your friend also spent a lot of time harrassing ikonia when we unbanned you. I hope we will not see a repeat of that any time soon.
[13:27] <bernardlychan> no i will not harrass anyone anymore i've learnt me lesson
[13:29] <elky> you will also not ask for help with non-ubuntu software in #ubuntu, will you?
[13:30] <bernardlychan> no i will not
[13:31] <elky> you will listen to what the ops say, even if you do not like them, won't you?
[13:31] <bernardlychan> ok
[13:32] <bernardlychan> i won't
[13:33] <elky> !guidelines
[13:33] <elky> i want you to re-read those
[13:33] <bernardlychan> ok
[13:35] <bernardlychan> ok elky i've read them
[13:36] <elky> you realise the next time this happens, it'll be a really really long ban, yes?
[13:36] <bernardlychan> ok.
[13:36] <bernardlychan> i realise
[13:38] <elky> ok, i've removed the ban. you'd better not disappoint me.
[13:38] <bernardlychan> ok thanks
[13:38] <bernardlychan> thanks you for being reasonable.
[13:39] <bernardlychan> bye
[14:10] <Myrtti> [16:09] < Blizzerand_> mefiiik : copy everything from  /var/cache/apt/archives and replace it with that of  the new installation
[14:13] <Myrtti> lolwhat
[14:18] <Myrtti> I'm too old for this
[15:18] <elky> haha. not quite as good as the second last sysadmin we had, who decided that rsyncing /etc/ from a centos 3 machine over to a freshly installed centos 5 install was going to be faster than following the step-by-step given by the boss who after a week came in an fixed everything up in 40 mins.
[15:19] <Myrtti> elky: his reasoning for giving that advice was "I read it from the forums, has always worked for me"
[20:11] <eboyjr> Hello. What is the !anyone factoid in #ubuntu for? Why can't you ask for example "Does anyone know how to change the wallpaper for different workspaces?" For exampel
[20:11] <eboyjr> example rather
[20:17] <topyli> eboyjr: that shouldn't trigger the factoid. something like "anyone know a lot about gconf?" probably would
[20:18] <eboyjr> Okay, so they should just be specific?
[20:19] <eboyjr> thx topyli
[20:57] <Flannel> well, technically "does anyone know how to ... wallpaper....?" garners a "yes" response.  But is probably specific enough anyway.
[21:18] <topyli> heh
[21:19] <topyli> true true
[21:40] <Myrtti> objections?
[21:40] <Flannel> no
[21:40] <Flannel> well, I don't know about the wildcard
[21:40] <Flannel> but, my only objection is you beat me to it ;)
[21:40] <Myrtti> haha
[21:41] <Myrtti> you can ban him on -ot if he reappears
[21:47] <Myrtti> ah, seems to be a reoccurring troublemaker, he
[21:47] <Myrtti> aka jimmy_birer aka epiclulz
[21:47] <Myrtti> not that I was surprised, after seeing his ident
[22:32] <Myrtti> uh-oh
[22:32] <Myrtti> asus-tek in #ubuntu
[22:33] <Myrtti> waiting for him to join -offtopic
[22:40]  * Myrtti goes to bed, nini