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uvirtbotNew bug: #391879 in qemu-kvm "migrate exec ignores exit status" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39187900:06
uvirtbotNew bug: #392570 in kvm (universe) "kvm hanging on startup" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39257000:11
uvirtbotNew bug: #396219 in kvm (universe) "kvm guests hang after startup (dup-of: 393671)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39621900:11
uvirtbotNew bug: #411709 in libvirt (main) "libvirt takes to long to start and kvm guests not always start" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41170900:16
uvirtbotNew bug: #419182 in kvm (universe) "Windows 7 can not find driver for es1370 card" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41918200:16
uvirtbotNew bug: #428082 in kvm (universe) "Kernel 2.6.28-13 exposes interface causing libvirt to provide bad arguments to kvm and lock up win32 guest (dup-of: 393671)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42808200:20
uvirtbotNew bug: #420320 in linux (main) "unhandled vm exit: 0x31" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42032000:21
uvirtbotNew bug: #421189 in kvm (universe) "package kvm-source 1:84+dfsg-0ubuntu12.3~intrepid1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 101" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42118900:22
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BoonamaII'm trying to establish an SSH connection remotely (On to Ubuntu Server). It works when I connect from inside the network. But when I try to connect from home via the interweb I can't connect. Now Ubuntu is behind a router. So I forwarded the ports to the server and contacted my ISP and they don't block ANY ports. Anyone have any idea what should I try next?01:35
KillMeNowwell are you local right now?01:36
BoonamaINo01:36
KillMeNowfirst i would check your IPtables on the machine01:36
KillMeNowwell if you're not local, then it's kinda fruitless01:36
KillMeNowother than do a NMAP against your public interface01:37
BoonamaII'm kind of a newb with this tuff01:37
KillMeNowonly a couple possibilities...  ssh is listening on a different port than 22, IPTables is running and doesn't allow 22 TCP connects, Firewall is still blocking port 2201:37
BoonamaIDo I check my IP tables from with linux or my router?01:38
NafalloBoonamaI: what address/ip are you trying to connect to?01:38
BoonamaII'm not that much of a newb01:38
KillMeNowLOL01:38
Nafalloehrm01:38
Nafalloright. so feel free to be without my help then.01:39
BoonamaIok01:39
BoonamaIAlright I'll give those a shot01:39
KillMeNowi think what Nafallo is asking, were you trying to connect to the public IP address of the firewall?01:41
Nafalloyeah. and I also thought it would be worth doing an nc <ip> <port> from one of my servers01:42
BoonamaII was trying to connect to my router's address01:42
Nafallo(if it wasn't in the RFC1918 address space)01:42
KillMeNowok01:42
KillMeNowso maybe you can ask someone to do a NMAP to port scan 2201:43
KillMeNowsee if the port is open | filtered | closed01:43
BoonamaII checked with a port scnner website and it said it was stealthed01:44
BoonamaIbrb .. getting the ip01:44
subI'll assume that stealthed means filtered, as in blocked with a DROP rule and not a REJECT rule01:45
KillMeNowyea, that's what i was thinking01:45
BoonamaISo what would that mean exactly?01:46
KillMeNowIPtables most likely01:46
Nafalloufw activated on the server I'd presume01:48
KillMeNowthat's what i'm thinking...  UFW = IPTables01:48
Nafalloehrm. no.01:48
Nafalloufw = frontend for iptabes01:48
Nafallos/be/ble/01:49
KillMeNowok, mr. picky01:49
KillMeNow:oP01:49
BoonamaIOh actually I did open the port with ufw01:50
subSo then you'll want to do two things: Verify the correct iptable rules (make sure it's allowing from all and not just addresses from the local network), and b) Check firewall/port forwarding rules on your router01:51
subNO, 3 things: Check the default gateway on the server01:51
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Nafalloand the firewall on the router, if any.01:52
submmhmm01:52
KillMeNowoh yea, forgot about the default gateway01:52
BoonamaIWSorry but what do you mean the default gateway .. what setting should I be looking at?01:54
Nafalloip ro ls | grep default01:54
BoonamaIalright01:55
BoonamaIThat will give me bunch of stuff to try out01:56
BoonamaIThanks guys!01:56
Nafallolol. I have a default route on the server I IRC from... that's odd.01:56
Nafallowell. not odd, but unexpected :-)01:57
subHow so?01:57
Nafalloospf added it :-)01:57
NafalloI normally don't bother with default routes :-P01:58
Nafalloat least not on lumberjack and pony01:59
uvirtbotNew bug: #425206 in logwatch (universe) "Typo in exim filter script " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42520602:01
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uvirtbotNew bug: #388520 in kvm "KVM (under Jaunty) virtual machine  OS win2008 cannot format qcow2 partition. Virtual machine crashes" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38852003:16
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BookmanHow do I start a process on a remote server and leave it running when I log out via ssh?04:25
andresmujicascreen04:27
erichammondnohup (or screen)04:28
BookmanIf someone responded, could they repeat as I had a system crash04:32
andresmujicalol04:46
andresmujica(22:28:45) erichammond: nohup (or screen)04:46
Bookman?04:48
BookmanI read the man for nohup but I'm still not sure how to use it.05:08
andresmujicanohup command05:15
BookmanYes, I understand it is a command.  How do I use it though?  Do I need an & after the command?  Can I interact with a GUI and then logoff and it will still run?05:19
andresmujicai personally prefer screen,05:27
andresmujicabecause you can start a screen05:27
andresmujicastart your process, disconnect from screen05:28
andresmujicaand later can access again to check how it's going.05:28
andresmujicathere's no need for the & after the command.. just nohup whateveryouwanttorun05:29
andresmujicaand it would left a nohup.out lying around so you can check the output later05:29
BookmanI have to look up screen.05:30
BookmanI only checked nohup05:30
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incorrectsilly question, but does anyone know of a good way to test spam filters?10:59
djshotglassis there any other way I can install ubuntu-server other than booting install cd? not one of my keyboard will let me select english when i boot from installer cd, so i cant get anywhere11:03
incorrectdjshotglass, you can always use pxe or debootstrap from a live cd11:05
incorrector you change change to english after you install11:05
djshotglassi wish the language menu had a countdown11:25
djshotglasskeyboard would probably work after it :(11:25
djshotglasshow does pxe work11:26
djshotglasswhen the machine is booting i see it say some stuff about pxe11:26
djshotglassi guess i could just get a ps2 keyboard11:28
djshotglassmaybe that would work11:28
_3^3hehe, I'm struggling how to install a package fro HTTP, without wget/curl/etc ;-)11:38
djshotglasswhat distro you have that doesnt have wget11:44
djshotglassor a package manager to install it with11:44
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uvirtbotNew bug: #428350 in qemu-kvm (main) "FTBFS in pbuilder on amd64" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42835012:06
_3^3djshotglass: well, rpm supports http installs, not dpkg12:12
_3^3djshotglass: (and I have wget, just scripting download/removal/etc is _more_work_)12:12
_3^3I think I'll make FUSE-based filesystem that fetches stuff from http!12:14
_3^3dpkg -i /http/server/path/file.deb12:14
_3^3\o/ sounds like plan9 or something12:14
uvirtbotNew bug: #403215 in qemu "2.6.31 guest vm's unable to use virtio" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40321513:26
dvrcoderanyone here knows why I have two copies of my slapd binaries, one in /usr/sbin and the other in /usr/local/sbin, the ones in /local/ being older?13:29
uvirtbotNew bug: #418473 in eucalyptus (main) "package eucalyptus-cloud eucalyptus-cloud_1.6~bzr452-0ubuntu3 fail to upgrade" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41847314:16
ruben23hi14:35
ruben23hi anyone setup zimbra here14:55
clustyhey17:32
clustyany1 around?17:32
clustyi am still have some DNS issues on the local net. anybody willing to give me a hand?17:33
jack1hello17:52
jack1Could somebody help me?17:53
jack1I want to create un server with a directory in which users could upload files but could not erase it, even the user's file. A solution?17:55
niels1How can I create a snapshot of my ubuntu-server that I can open using vmware server? I would like to do this from the ubuntu-server commandline.18:02
trouserlessjackl do you mean upload via ftp or on a lan with samba?18:06
trouserlessnielsl: take a look at http://www.esxguide.com/esx/content/view/2/25/18:07
trouserlesscreatesnapshot halfway down18:07
trouserlessvmware-cmd createsnapshot name description quiesce memory18:08
niels1trouserless: I wasn't aware of vmware-cmd - i was trying with vmware converter, thank you for the hint. Will report back later.18:10
trouserlessgood luck18:11
twbniels1: FYI there is also #vmware18:21
djshotglassi need to install ubuntu-server without booting from installer cd, as none of my keyboards let me pick a language, which it asks once cd boots, and the fucking menu has no countdown to english18:24
djshotglasswhat options do i have18:24
twbdjshotglass: you can boot from network, from hdd, from a USB mass storage device.18:24
djshotglassif i booted say a gentoo live cd, is there a guide/tool i could use to install ubuntu-server to the hdd18:24
twbI guess floppies might still work18:24
djshotglassyou miss the point, booting the installer WILL NOT WORK for me18:25
djshotglassas i dont have a keyboard that it detects18:25
twbYour best bet would probably be to make a USB install medium, and edit the syslinux.conf file on that to pre-answer the keyboard prompt18:25
twbOr indeed to pre-answer all questions, in that case18:25
djshotglassah ;)18:25
djshotglassdidnt know you could do this18:25
ScottKdjshotglass: Did you try the alternate CD?18:25
djshotglasswin18:25
djshotglassScottK, i checked md5 of iso after downloading, and imgburn verified the cd after i burnt it18:26
djshotglasscd is 100%18:26
twbScottK: alternate CD is the desktop installer... if djshotglass is installing ubuntu-server using the ubuntu-server install CD, he should get d-i anyway18:26
ScottKtwb: OK.  I was thinking it'd changed.18:26
twbScottK: sorry, maybe it has.  I mainly work with LTS18:26
twbIt's a pity that Ubuntu's d-i doesn't include GTK...18:27
ScottKApparently not.18:27
ScottK(hasn't changed)18:28
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djshotglassu-s doesnt include a X system correct?18:28
djshotglassi want a minimal install18:28
ScottKThat's correct18:28
* ScottK hasn't done a server install since ~ Hardy was released.18:28
twbubuntu-server does not have an X server (or clients) by default.18:29
twbNothing prevents you installing them.18:29
djshotglassyeah, just didnt want to have to uninstall them18:29
twbIt's still not really MINIMAL... a bunch of stuff like less and w3m will be installed by default.18:29
djshotglassyeah i just didnt want the bloated shit i experinced with kubuntu18:30
djshotglassi cant find a guide on this usb install18:31
djshotglassediting syslinux.conf etc18:31
twbThe Debian install guide covers various installation methods in its appendices.18:31
twbIt applies more or less unchanged to Ubuntu; I don't know if Ubuntu have copied the Debian install guides.18:32
djshotglasshttp://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ ?18:32
twbDunno, looking18:32
twbYeah18:32
djshotglassthanks18:33
twbIn particular appendix B.  Appendix D.3 is easy to screw up, so I don't recommend it18:33
twb(D.3 is the approach: 03:24 <djshotglass> if i booted say a gentoo live cd, is there a guide/tool i could use to install ubuntu-server to the hdd18:34
djshotglassah :)18:34
djshotglassso the preseed.cfg needs to be inside? ubuntu-9.04-server-i386.iso\install\initrd.gz18:39
djshotglassor in ubuntu-9.04-server-i386.iso\install18:39
niels1trouserless - is it possible that this is for windows only?18:43
niels1trouserless - i am talking about the vmware-cmd tool you pointed out earlier.18:43
djshotglasscan someone pastebin /usr/share/zoneinfo/18:43
giovanidjshotglass: just an ls of it?18:46
djshotglassyeah please18:46
giovaniwhat for?18:47
djshotglass# You may set this to any valid setting for $TZ; see the contents of18:47
djshotglass# /usr/share/zoneinfo/ for valid values.18:47
djshotglassd-i time/zone string US/Eastern18:47
djshotglassso i know what to set that to18:47
giovaniyou set it to the same thing you'd set it to during the install18:47
giovaniwhat's your time zone?18:47
niels1http://paste.ubuntu.com/269906/18:47
giovaniniels1: it's not going to give him the answer he wants18:48
djshotglassty niels118:48
niels1giovani: :-)18:48
giovanidjshotglass: once again -- you need to slow down and listen -- the directory listing won't provide the answer you need18:48
djshotglassd-i debian-installer/locale string en_US18:51
djshotglassis that incorrect?18:51
djshotglassoops18:51
djshotglasswrong one18:51
djshotglassd-i time/zone string US/Pacific18:52
djshotglassis that incorrect?18:52
djshotglassu-s come with sshd?18:53
ScottKdjshotglass: Not in the standard install.  There's a tasksel option for it.19:05
ScottKDefault install of the base Ubuntu Server is delivered with no ports open to the outside world.19:05
jmarsdendjshotglass: Try something like    d-i pkgsel/include string openssh-server19:07
jmarsdenAnd more generally, read https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/installation-guide/i386/appendix-preseed.html19:09
djshotglasshttp://paste.ubuntu.com/269914/19:09
djshotglassshould do it19:09
djshotglassi am reading that19:10
djshotglassscroll up19:10
jmarsdenOK, well there is an line adding openssh-server in the pressed file that guide links to as an example.... :)19:10
jmarsdenSo if you had read the example linked to by that article, you'd already have known how to add openssh-server ...19:11
djshotglassits a debian guide, not ubuntu-server19:11
djshotglassso i was asking if u-s had it or not19:11
djshotglassthe example is for debian19:11
djshotglassnot u-s19:11
djshotglassplease dont tell me what i did and didnt read19:12
djshotglassit makes you sound ignorant :)19:12
jmarsdenUm.  Did you read it?  the example has d-i mirror/http/directory string /ubuntu so by definition it is not installing Debian.19:12
jmarsdenNow who didn't read it?19:12
jmarsdenAlso tasksel tasksel/first multiselect ubuntu-desktop    -- does that look like a Debian example to you?19:14
jmarsdendjshotglass: I will leave it to others to determine who may or may not be ignorant here.  The evidence is that the example at https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/installation-guide/example-preseed.txt is for Ubuntu. but you state it is for Debian (providing nothing by way of evidence or example to support your claim)...19:17
* djshotglass yawns19:18
* djshotglass gives you thumbs up19:18
djshotglass# Suite to install.19:19
djshotglass#d-i mirror/suite string &releasename;19:19
djshotglassd-i mirror/suite string ubuntu-server?19:20
djshotglassyou're little guide doent even touch on this option19:20
jmarsden?  &releasename will turn into jaunty or karmic or whatever... the release name... the "suite" in Debian terminology.19:21
android60I am trying to install from USB since i do not have a cd drive, and I get "THe CD-ROM drive contains a cd which cannot be used for installation" when it tries to detect and mount cdrom. I followed steps in wiki19:22
djshotglasswhat about https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/installation-guide/i386/preseed-contents.html#preseed-base-installer19:24
jmarsdenandroid60: Which page of which wiki?  And in particular, which CDROM image (.iso file) did you burn to that CD?19:24
djshotglassd-i base-installer/kernel/linux/initramfs-generators string yaird or d-i base-installer/kernel/image string linux-generic19:24
android60jmarsden: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick . I want 9.10 server, but I have tried 9.04 alternate and another. the only one i can get to work is the regular ubuntu live cd19:25
djshotglasstasksel tasksel/first multiselect ubuntu-desktop19:27
jmarsdendjshotglass: Just leave that commented out, I think... do you have a good reason to change the default there?19:27
djshotglasswill that install X?19:27
jmarsdendjshotglass: Yes, you want to change that if you are installing a server :)19:27
* djshotglass comments out19:27
jmarsdentasksel --list will show you the tasks you can choose19:28
djshotglassas for the base question, my keyboard doesnt work during install so im trying to uncomment/set everything19:28
djshotglassso it doesnt ask me anything19:28
djshotglassbut if you think if i leave it commented it and it wont ask me about it i will leave it19:28
android60djshotglass: so which image should i use?19:28
pmatulis      /quit19:28
jmarsdenandroid60: OK, let me read that and see what I can figure out...19:28
jmarsdendjshotglass: Seems an unusual reason to use preseeding to me, but OK.  I'd try a new keyboard or maybe an older (PS/2) keyboard, if the current one is USB :)19:29
djshotglassi dont have a ps/219:30
djshotglasstried every one in the house (all usb)19:30
djshotglassdebian and ubuntu-server are the only installers ever to give me a problem19:30
giovaniwhat kind of computer and keyboard?19:31
android60jmarsden: i think i got it working now19:32
jmarsdenandroid60: OK, cool19:32
android60on the unetbootin boot screen, i selected a straight install instead of default which i guess works around the mount problem19:33
jmarsdendjshotglass: Regarding that tasksel tasksel/first multiselect ubuntu-desktop, you may want to replace ubuntu-desktop with server    instead of commenting the line out.19:35
djshotglassok19:36
djshotglassdo i need to do anyhting but copy the contents of ubuntu-9.04-server-i386.iso to a usb stick and put my preseed.cfg in install/19:43
jmarsdenProbably... see the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick info for USB boot info.19:50
djshotglassty19:51
jmarsdenI tend to be a traditionalist and use CD-RW or DVD-RW media rather than USB sticks for install tests, and then create a CD-R or DVD-R once I have one that works.19:51
blizzkidlo all. what is in your opinion the best book about linux security (eg iptables)?20:24
giovaniblizzkid: you equate "linux security" to iptables?20:27
blizzkidgiovani: no, I see iptables as part of linux security20:27
giovanihmm20:27
giovaniI wouldn't20:27
blizzkidor to rephrase: linux/network security20:28
giovaninetwork security is an entire industry/discipline in itself20:28
blizzkidofcourse, but eg iptables is both linux and network...20:29
giovaniit sounds like you're looking for something all-in-one20:29
giovaniand, unfortunately, you'll just end up with a shitty book if you look for that20:29
giovaniblizzkid: so you want an iptable guide, or a book on security? they're totally different, imo20:30
giovaniiptables*20:30
blizzkidI'm looking for one on security that covers ao iptables20:30
giovaniok, well I'd advise not looking for that20:30
giovaniso if you'd like that, sorry, I can't help20:30
blizzkidand a security one in general?20:31
giovaniso, security is a huge discipline ... I could recommend 5 or 6 books that offer a range of topics within security20:31
giovaniif you want to learn how to use iptables itself -- then you're better off with an online guide/howto -- it's really not very complex to do basic firewalling, and definitely doesn't need a book20:32
blizzkidgiovani: feel free to recommend all 5 of them ;)20:32
giovanialright, let me sort through my list -- it'll take a few minutes20:32
blizzkidnp, you can pm me giovani I might be afk for a few minutes20:33
giovaniok, so as my two intro-to-network-security books, I'd recommend these: Practical Unix & Internet Security and The Tao of Network Security Monitoring20:34
giovanithese are both theory-oriented, and not as much implementation-oriented -- this is on purpose -- I believe early on you should be focusing on concepts, and not tools20:35
giovaniboth are not very modern -- and may be a tad out of date -- this isn't an issue with theory, in general20:35
jmarsdenAlso see http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Reading-List-HOWTO/b80.html and the book "Real World Linux Security: Intrusion Prevention, Detection, and Recovery, 2nd edition, Bob Toxen, 2003, ISBN 0-13-046456-2, Prentice-Hall."  which is more practically oriented, if old now.20:44
blizzkidk, I'll certainly have a look at all of them. Thx giovani!20:45
giovanisigh, I so hate tool-oriented books20:54
giovanieven moreso ones that talk about "intrusion prevention" technology20:54
maekwhats the "thing" called that lets me prevent a pkg from getting upgraded when I run agt-get upgrade? pinning?20:56
giovaniapt-pinning20:56
maekgiovani: thanks20:57
giovanino problem -- a google search for "pinning" would've shown you Apt-Pinning in the 2nd and 3rd results20:57
maekah, sorry. I wasnt sure if it was pinning. I spend most of my days in redhat land but got a new ubuntu server20:58
maekI'm a bit confused is to bring in a new version with out upgrading everything that repo has to offer, and/or preventing something from upgrading? I want my php to stay the way it is regardless of there being an update available. thanks21:00
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DragonLordis it possible to install ubuntu-server (easy) on a 512Mb HDD?21:19
giovaniDragonLord: not unmodified, iirc21:20
DragonLordany dist recmmendations for a 512Mb HDD, I just want to run ventrilo and a chat server I have written in Java21:28
giovaniDragonLord: unlikely that you can run ventrilo on a computer that has a 512MB hard drive21:30
giovaniit'd be ancient21:30
blizzkidDragonLord: DSL?21:32
blizzkid(Damn Small Linux)21:32
DragonLordgiovani, sorry I mean Ventrilo Server, not the client21:38
giovaniDragonLord: yes, I know that21:40
djshotglasssetup only detects usb stick im intalling from21:42
djshotglassfor a hdd to partition21:42
djshotglassbios sees a 80gb hdd21:42
djshotglassy not setup21:43
giovaniuh21:43
giovanimaybe the controller the drive is plugged into isn't supported21:43
djshotglasside21:45
giovaniyes, that doesn't tell us if the controller is supported21:46
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blizzkiddjshotglass: that's like saying you have a diesel car when asked what brand of car you have22:01
mm_202For a Colo server, running ubuntu server 8.04, with multiple domains (shared on one ip), what would be the easiest/best email package(s)?22:09
blizzkidmm_202: I like postfix + dovecot best22:09
ScottKThat's also what's supported here.22:11
mm_202blizzkid: okay, thanks.  On the ubuntu server docs, it mentions exim4, where would that fit in?22:11
blizzkidmm_202: http://librenix.com/?inode=63322:12
ScottKThat's an alternative MTA (would replace Postfix) and it's in Main and has security support, but not what we cover in the server guide.22:12
ruben23hi22:12
ruben23anyone experience a linux box reboots itself22:14
ruben23in a couple of mnutes22:14
giovanilook at the logs, ruben2322:16
giovaniit is most likely hardware-related unless there's something in the logs22:16
ruben23giovani:what log would i be checking it..?22:21
guntbertruben23: start with /var/log/messages22:22
blizzkidruben23: I don't want to be rude... but should you be running Ubuntu if you ask _that_ question?22:22
ruben23yes im on ubuntu..22:23
ruben23LTS22:23
blizzkid:S22:23
blizzkidruben23: that's not what I asked22:24
guntbertblizzkid: you question *could* be more specific I guess - ubuntu (desktop) *is* intended for linux beginners - server is certainly not22:28
blizzkidguntbert: since we're in -server I obviously implicitly mean -server22:29
blizzkidand if the question was about desktop, it shouldn't have been asked here in the first place22:29
ScottKYou wouldn't have been the first to do it if you had though.22:30
ruben23blizzkid: im doing it on a server platform22:31
blizzkidScottK: ??22:31
guntbertblizzkid: right you are - I would have said "should you be running a server system...." - but thats just me of course22:31
blizzkidguntbert: you're right, but he didn't get the question anyway ;)22:31
ScottKIt's not rare for people to show up here and ask desktop questions.22:32
blizzkidScottK: oh, yeah, that :) yeah, plain english seems to hard for some :)22:32
caribooredneckGot problems setting up 8.04 Lts for virtual hosting as a testing server22:33
guntbertruben23: please don't think we want to discourage you - just make sure to keep you server strictly in a private network, and maybe read https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/index.html22:33
guntbert*your server22:33
caribooredneckstill want access to the net in the future22:34
caribooredneckI went through that and missing something22:34
guntbert!details | caribooredneck22:34
ubottucaribooredneck: Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., I get the following output: ..., but I expected it to do ..."22:34
blizzkidalso !ask22:35
caribooredneckUbuntu 8.04 LTS22:35
blizzkidcaribooredneck: could you possibly phrase a question?22:35
caribooredneckTrying to the name based virtual host, pardon me for being a dummy at this22:36
caribooredneckI need to set up two web pages and want ot call them by name22:36
caribooredneckto22:36
blizzkid"trying to the name based virtual host".... I'm a polyglot myself, but I don't know a single language in which this is considered a question22:36
caribooredneckWhat is the best way to go about it22:37
cariboorednecksorry I would like to call named sites without going online?22:38
blizzkid*sigh* Have you even _tried_ to look at some documentation?22:38
guntbertcaribooredneck: only to clarify: your server runs fine, has all the needed connectivity and you want to know how to configure your http server  (apache?) for name based virtual hosts22:38
caribooredneckyuppers thanks for making the works for me22:39
blizzkidcaribooredneck: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/vhosts/ or http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/ depending on the version of apache you're running22:39
caribooredneckrunning 2.222:40
blizzkidsecond link then22:40
blizzkidI don't think there's much diff between 2.0 and 2.2 when it comes to virtual hosts anyway22:40
guntbertcaribooredneck: you *will* have to look at the docu yourself though, and then there is always #httpd22:40
caribooredneckYup thanks, the only place I did not look22:41
caribooredneckLooked at many other ones, just got more confused22:41
caribooredneckGot one more question that has be confused22:43
blizzkid!ask caribooredneck22:43
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)22:43
caribooredneckLOL  I have server set to IP 192.168.1.66 Name myserver   Do I set up extra ip's per page?  Is that teh best way to go22:44
caribooredneckthe22:44
blizzkidcaribooredneck: _please_ read some _documentation_. Please.22:45
caribooredneckI am, was just a question for advice if any one has done it before22:45
blizzkidlots of people have done it before, and have documented it, that's why documentation exists in the first place22:46
* guntbert tosses a candy to blizzkid 22:48
caribooredneckI know, everybody has their own opinion.  I was just getting confused by trying to many different ideas.  All I wanted to know, from past experiences which is the best and easiet to go?  Just looking for an opinion from those who have done this befor, as this is my first time22:49
blizzkidlol guntbert. I just think people should 1. RTFM; 2. RTFM again; 3. RTFM once more; 4. Google; 5. Try; 6. come to irc22:49
cariboorednecksorry for asking22:50
blizzkidcaribooredneck: I don't blame you for asking help, but it's very annoying to help people that don't seem to have searched docs/forum/...22:51
blizzkidmind the "don't seem to"22:52
guntbertblizzkid: I don't see it quite that way - a question on IRC often gives a good starting point/direction - but I agree that afterwards everyone should do the reading him/herself22:52
caribooredneckI have been there for the last 2 hours, and could not find what I was looking for.  My problem is I am not sure how to ask teh question!22:52
caribooredneckthe22:53
blizzkidguntbert: I guess it depends on the type of question... "Any advice on good security books?" is something completely different than "How do I install an app in Ubuntu?"22:53
guntbertcaribooredneck: you could start by going to www.apache.org, or search for: apache "name based" "virtual hosts"22:54
blizzkidthe first one is legit to ask on irc imho, since googling will not really help you there22:54
blizzkidthe second one is an easy google search that will show you many results22:54
blizzkidobviously searching google is an art in itself22:54
caribooredneckThx I know about the google thing.  Sorry I am a dummy when it comes to this.  Been playing with this for 2 weeks on and off22:55
blizzkidcaribooredneck: don't apologize. The first thing you should do when learning something new, is read, read and read22:56
guntbertblizzkid: yes - and I don't want to patronize - but still: ubuntu *should* mean something special (even on the server line - as long as nobody try to bring his server into the internet prematurely)22:56
guntbert*tries **22:56
caribooredneckI have read so much, that is why I am so confused.  One says this is the way to go, the other says this is the only way to go.  In the end neither worked22:57
blizzkidcaribooredneck: then you have obviously read the wrong books/sites/whatever ;)22:57
blizzkidalways start with the official documentation22:57
caribooredneckI know that thanks to google22:57
blizzkidguntbert: that's exactly the problem, Ubuntu _server_ is not meant for beginners, and beginners *should* read, read, read before they bring the server online22:58
blizzkidunfortunately reading takes time, and people want instant satisfaction nowadays22:59
blizzkidwith all security issues coming with it22:59
caribooredneckthat is why I want if for testing offline first to learn it22:59
blizzkidbtw caribooredneck don't see my raging here as a personal attack, irc doesn't allow to express messages the way spoken word does23:00
caribooredneckI have no problems with the reading and screwing things up. I just want to make sure I am screwing it up right................LOL23:00
caribooredneckI understand your thoughts. I deal with it at my place of work everyday.23:01
guntbertblizzkid: *very* true - but "not for linux beginners" can also mean "for beginning server admins" - and it was merely *our* attitude I wanted to question - (and I definitely said "our" and not "your") :-) - and before I get the !ot i let it be :-)23:02
blizzkidguntbert: I won't give you the !ot ;) We seem to agree but express things slightly differently. Anyway, maybe there should be a channel #ubuntu-server-beginners or something like that23:03
caribooredneckThat would be good! So I don't feel so stupid asking these questions23:04
ScottKblizzkid: This is supposed to be that channel.23:04
ScottK(not only that, of course)23:04
blizzkidbut caribooredneck to give you one really good advice: google this: "howtoforge perfect server ubuntu"23:04
guntbertblizzkid: good point - but I'd vote against splitting up - caribooredneck don't feel stupid for asking - its the "not asking" which makes us stupid23:05
maxbcaribooredneck: It would be easier for people to guide you if you were to ask very specific questions stating *exactly* what's not working - the more general the question, the more likely it is you'll be pointed to the documentation, because people don't want to type long essays into IRC that are already adequately covered in available documentation.23:05
blizzkidScottK: I know, but imho it should be split (like #ubuntu should be too), I'd prefer kind of a 1st, 2nd - 3rd level approach23:05
ScottKblizzkid: It's an interesting theory, but I don't think it really works out in practice.23:06
caribooredneckBeen down that road, did not work.  I was missing something, not sure what.  It was set up to be an online server, not a LAN23:06
blizzkidScottK: imho it would (taken the 2nd and 3rd level would be invite channels)23:06
* guntbert calls it a night - bye23:06
blizzkidcaribooredneck: LAN or WAN setup is exactly the same23:07
blizzkidnite guntbert23:07
caribooredneckThx guntbert for the smack upside the head    IT HELPED23:07
blizzkidScottK: take #ubuntu, try to ask a little more advanced question there... no-one will be able to help since 90% are beginners (nothing wrong with it obviously) and the other 10% is helping to answer basic questions23:08
ScottKI don't have a good answer.  Splitting the channels has problems too.23:08
blizzkidOfcourse, perfection doesn't exist23:09
ScottKHere I don't think it's so busy it's a big problem.23:12
blizzkidtrue23:12
blizzkidbut then again, -server should be a little more advanced users, knowing they should do some research first (and if they have done so, show us they did)23:13
ScottKThat's why I added the link to the esr smart questions faq in /topic.23:14
ScottKNot that it actually helps23:14
blizzkidhehe, indeed, I wonder how many ppl actually read the topic23:15
caribooredneckThx guys think things are starting to make sense now as things are getting done the way I want.  Thx again for the smack upside the head to clear it out!23:23

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