[01:35] <BoonamaI> I'm trying to establish an SSH connection remotely (On to Ubuntu Server). It works when I connect from inside the network. But when I try to connect from home via the interweb I can't connect. Now Ubuntu is behind a router. So I forwarded the ports to the server and contacted my ISP and they don't block ANY ports. Anyone have any idea what should I try next?
[01:36] <KillMeNow> well are you local right now?
[01:36] <BoonamaI> No
[01:36] <KillMeNow> first i would check your IPtables on the machine
[01:36] <KillMeNow> well if you're not local, then it's kinda fruitless
[01:37] <KillMeNow> other than do a NMAP against your public interface
[01:37] <BoonamaI> I'm kind of a newb with this tuff
[01:37] <KillMeNow> only a couple possibilities...  ssh is listening on a different port than 22, IPTables is running and doesn't allow 22 TCP connects, Firewall is still blocking port 22
[01:38] <BoonamaI> Do I check my IP tables from with linux or my router?
[01:38] <Nafallo> BoonamaI: what address/ip are you trying to connect to?
[01:38] <BoonamaI> I'm not that much of a newb
[01:38] <KillMeNow> LOL
[01:38] <Nafallo> ehrm
[01:39] <Nafallo> right. so feel free to be without my help then.
[01:39] <BoonamaI> ok
[01:39] <BoonamaI> Alright I'll give those a shot
[01:41] <KillMeNow> i think what Nafallo is asking, were you trying to connect to the public IP address of the firewall?
[01:42] <Nafallo> yeah. and I also thought it would be worth doing an nc <ip> <port> from one of my servers
[01:42] <BoonamaI> I was trying to connect to my router's address
[01:42] <Nafallo> (if it wasn't in the RFC1918 address space)
[01:42] <KillMeNow> ok
[01:43] <KillMeNow> so maybe you can ask someone to do a NMAP to port scan 22
[01:43] <KillMeNow> see if the port is open | filtered | closed
[01:44] <BoonamaI> I checked with a port scnner website and it said it was stealthed
[01:44] <BoonamaI> brb .. getting the ip
[01:45] <sub> I'll assume that stealthed means filtered, as in blocked with a DROP rule and not a REJECT rule
[01:45] <KillMeNow> yea, that's what i was thinking
[01:46] <BoonamaI> So what would that mean exactly?
[01:46] <KillMeNow> IPtables most likely
[01:48] <Nafallo> ufw activated on the server I'd presume
[01:48] <KillMeNow> that's what i'm thinking...  UFW = IPTables
[01:48] <Nafallo> ehrm. no.
[01:48] <Nafallo> ufw = frontend for iptabes
[01:49] <Nafallo> s/be/ble/
[01:49] <KillMeNow> ok, mr. picky
[01:49] <KillMeNow> :oP
[01:50] <BoonamaI> Oh actually I did open the port with ufw
[01:51] <sub> So then you'll want to do two things: Verify the correct iptable rules (make sure it's allowing from all and not just addresses from the local network), and b) Check firewall/port forwarding rules on your router
[01:51] <sub> NO, 3 things: Check the default gateway on the server
[01:52] <Nafallo> and the firewall on the router, if any.
[01:52] <sub> mmhmm
[01:52] <KillMeNow> oh yea, forgot about the default gateway
[01:54] <BoonamaI> WSorry but what do you mean the default gateway .. what setting should I be looking at?
[01:54] <Nafallo> ip ro ls | grep default
[01:55] <BoonamaI> alright
[01:56] <BoonamaI> That will give me bunch of stuff to try out
[01:56] <BoonamaI> Thanks guys!
[01:56] <Nafallo> lol. I have a default route on the server I IRC from... that's odd.
[01:57] <Nafallo> well. not odd, but unexpected :-)
[01:57] <sub> How so?
[01:57] <Nafallo> ospf added it :-)
[01:58] <Nafallo> I normally don't bother with default routes :-P
[01:59] <Nafallo> at least not on lumberjack and pony
[04:25] <Bookman> How do I start a process on a remote server and leave it running when I log out via ssh?
[04:27] <andresmujica> screen
[04:28] <erichammond> nohup (or screen)
[04:32] <Bookman> If someone responded, could they repeat as I had a system crash
[04:46] <andresmujica> lol
[04:46] <andresmujica> (22:28:45) erichammond: nohup (or screen)
[04:48] <Bookman> ?
[05:08] <Bookman> I read the man for nohup but I'm still not sure how to use it.
[05:15] <andresmujica> nohup command
[05:19] <Bookman> Yes, I understand it is a command.  How do I use it though?  Do I need an & after the command?  Can I interact with a GUI and then logoff and it will still run?
[05:27] <andresmujica> i personally prefer screen,
[05:27] <andresmujica> because you can start a screen
[05:28] <andresmujica> start your process, disconnect from screen
[05:28] <andresmujica> and later can access again to check how it's going.
[05:29] <andresmujica> there's no need for the & after the command.. just nohup whateveryouwanttorun
[05:29] <andresmujica> and it would left a nohup.out lying around so you can check the output later
[05:30] <Bookman> I have to look up screen.
[05:30] <Bookman> I only checked nohup
[10:59] <incorrect> silly question, but does anyone know of a good way to test spam filters?
[11:03] <djshotglass> is there any other way I can install ubuntu-server other than booting install cd? not one of my keyboard will let me select english when i boot from installer cd, so i cant get anywhere
[11:05] <incorrect> djshotglass, you can always use pxe or debootstrap from a live cd
[11:05] <incorrect> or you change change to english after you install
[11:25] <djshotglass> i wish the language menu had a countdown
[11:25] <djshotglass> keyboard would probably work after it :(
[11:26] <djshotglass> how does pxe work
[11:26] <djshotglass> when the machine is booting i see it say some stuff about pxe
[11:28] <djshotglass> i guess i could just get a ps2 keyboard
[11:28] <djshotglass> maybe that would work
[11:38] <_3^3> hehe, I'm struggling how to install a package fro HTTP, without wget/curl/etc ;-)
[11:44] <djshotglass> what distro you have that doesnt have wget
[11:44] <djshotglass> or a package manager to install it with
[12:12] <_3^3> djshotglass: well, rpm supports http installs, not dpkg
[12:12] <_3^3> djshotglass: (and I have wget, just scripting download/removal/etc is _more_work_)
[12:14] <_3^3> I think I'll make FUSE-based filesystem that fetches stuff from http!
[12:14] <_3^3> dpkg -i /http/server/path/file.deb
[12:14] <_3^3> \o/ sounds like plan9 or something
[13:29] <dvrcoder> anyone here knows why I have two copies of my slapd binaries, one in /usr/sbin and the other in /usr/local/sbin, the ones in /local/ being older?
[14:35] <ruben23> hi
[14:55] <ruben23> hi anyone setup zimbra here
[17:32] <clusty> hey
[17:32] <clusty> any1 around?
[17:33] <clusty> i am still have some DNS issues on the local net. anybody willing to give me a hand?
[17:52] <jack1> hello
[17:53] <jack1> Could somebody help me?
[17:55] <jack1> I want to create un server with a directory in which users could upload files but could not erase it, even the user's file. A solution?
[18:02] <niels1> How can I create a snapshot of my ubuntu-server that I can open using vmware server? I would like to do this from the ubuntu-server commandline.
[18:06] <trouserless> jackl do you mean upload via ftp or on a lan with samba?
[18:07] <trouserless> nielsl: take a look at http://www.esxguide.com/esx/content/view/2/25/
[18:07] <trouserless> createsnapshot halfway down
[18:08] <trouserless> vmware-cmd createsnapshot name description quiesce memory
[18:10] <niels1> trouserless: I wasn't aware of vmware-cmd - i was trying with vmware converter, thank you for the hint. Will report back later.
[18:11] <trouserless> good luck
[18:21] <twb> niels1: FYI there is also #vmware
[18:24] <djshotglass> i need to install ubuntu-server without booting from installer cd, as none of my keyboards let me pick a language, which it asks once cd boots, and the fucking menu has no countdown to english
[18:24] <djshotglass> what options do i have
[18:24] <twb> djshotglass: you can boot from network, from hdd, from a USB mass storage device.
[18:24] <djshotglass> if i booted say a gentoo live cd, is there a guide/tool i could use to install ubuntu-server to the hdd
[18:24] <twb> I guess floppies might still work
[18:25] <djshotglass> you miss the point, booting the installer WILL NOT WORK for me
[18:25] <djshotglass> as i dont have a keyboard that it detects
[18:25] <twb> Your best bet would probably be to make a USB install medium, and edit the syslinux.conf file on that to pre-answer the keyboard prompt
[18:25] <twb> Or indeed to pre-answer all questions, in that case
[18:25] <djshotglass> ah ;)
[18:25] <djshotglass> didnt know you could do this
[18:25] <ScottK> djshotglass: Did you try the alternate CD?
[18:25] <djshotglass> win
[18:26] <djshotglass> ScottK, i checked md5 of iso after downloading, and imgburn verified the cd after i burnt it
[18:26] <djshotglass> cd is 100%
[18:26] <twb> ScottK: alternate CD is the desktop installer... if djshotglass is installing ubuntu-server using the ubuntu-server install CD, he should get d-i anyway
[18:26] <ScottK> twb: OK.  I was thinking it'd changed.
[18:26] <twb> ScottK: sorry, maybe it has.  I mainly work with LTS
[18:27] <twb> It's a pity that Ubuntu's d-i doesn't include GTK...
[18:27] <ScottK> Apparently not.
[18:28] <ScottK> (hasn't changed)
[18:28] <djshotglass> u-s doesnt include a X system correct?
[18:28] <djshotglass> i want a minimal install
[18:28] <ScottK> That's correct
[18:28]  * ScottK hasn't done a server install since ~ Hardy was released.
[18:29] <twb> ubuntu-server does not have an X server (or clients) by default.
[18:29] <twb> Nothing prevents you installing them.
[18:29] <djshotglass> yeah, just didnt want to have to uninstall them
[18:29] <twb> It's still not really MINIMAL... a bunch of stuff like less and w3m will be installed by default.
[18:30] <djshotglass> yeah i just didnt want the bloated shit i experinced with kubuntu
[18:31] <djshotglass> i cant find a guide on this usb install
[18:31] <djshotglass> editing syslinux.conf etc
[18:31] <twb> The Debian install guide covers various installation methods in its appendices.
[18:32] <twb> It applies more or less unchanged to Ubuntu; I don't know if Ubuntu have copied the Debian install guides.
[18:32] <djshotglass> http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ ?
[18:32] <twb> Dunno, looking
[18:32] <twb> Yeah
[18:33] <djshotglass> thanks
[18:33] <twb> In particular appendix B.  Appendix D.3 is easy to screw up, so I don't recommend it
[18:34] <twb> (D.3 is the approach: 03:24 <djshotglass> if i booted say a gentoo live cd, is there a guide/tool i could use to install ubuntu-server to the hdd
[18:34] <djshotglass> ah :)
[18:39] <djshotglass> so the preseed.cfg needs to be inside? ubuntu-9.04-server-i386.iso\install\initrd.gz
[18:39] <djshotglass> or in ubuntu-9.04-server-i386.iso\install
[18:43] <niels1> trouserless - is it possible that this is for windows only?
[18:43] <niels1> trouserless - i am talking about the vmware-cmd tool you pointed out earlier.
[18:43] <djshotglass> can someone pastebin /usr/share/zoneinfo/
[18:46] <giovani> djshotglass: just an ls of it?
[18:46] <djshotglass> yeah please
[18:47] <giovani> what for?
[18:47] <djshotglass> # You may set this to any valid setting for $TZ; see the contents of
[18:47] <djshotglass> # /usr/share/zoneinfo/ for valid values.
[18:47] <djshotglass> d-i time/zone string US/Eastern
[18:47] <djshotglass> so i know what to set that to
[18:47] <giovani> you set it to the same thing you'd set it to during the install
[18:47] <giovani> what's your time zone?
[18:47] <niels1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/269906/
[18:48] <giovani> niels1: it's not going to give him the answer he wants
[18:48] <djshotglass> ty niels1
[18:48] <niels1> giovani: :-)
[18:48] <giovani> djshotglass: once again -- you need to slow down and listen -- the directory listing won't provide the answer you need
[18:51] <djshotglass> d-i debian-installer/locale string en_US
[18:51] <djshotglass> is that incorrect?
[18:51] <djshotglass> oops
[18:51] <djshotglass> wrong one
[18:52] <djshotglass> d-i time/zone string US/Pacific
[18:52] <djshotglass> is that incorrect?
[18:53] <djshotglass> u-s come with sshd?
[19:05] <ScottK> djshotglass: Not in the standard install.  There's a tasksel option for it.
[19:05] <ScottK> Default install of the base Ubuntu Server is delivered with no ports open to the outside world.
[19:07] <jmarsden> djshotglass: Try something like    d-i pkgsel/include string openssh-server
[19:09] <jmarsden> And more generally, read https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/installation-guide/i386/appendix-preseed.html
[19:09] <djshotglass> http://paste.ubuntu.com/269914/
[19:09] <djshotglass> should do it
[19:10] <djshotglass> i am reading that
[19:10] <djshotglass> scroll up
[19:10] <jmarsden> OK, well there is an line adding openssh-server in the pressed file that guide links to as an example.... :)
[19:11] <jmarsden> So if you had read the example linked to by that article, you'd already have known how to add openssh-server ...
[19:11] <djshotglass> its a debian guide, not ubuntu-server
[19:11] <djshotglass> so i was asking if u-s had it or not
[19:11] <djshotglass> the example is for debian
[19:11] <djshotglass> not u-s
[19:12] <djshotglass> please dont tell me what i did and didnt read
[19:12] <djshotglass> it makes you sound ignorant :)
[19:12] <jmarsden> Um.  Did you read it?  the example has d-i mirror/http/directory string /ubuntu so by definition it is not installing Debian.
[19:12] <jmarsden> Now who didn't read it?
[19:14] <jmarsden> Also tasksel tasksel/first multiselect ubuntu-desktop    -- does that look like a Debian example to you?
[19:17] <jmarsden> djshotglass: I will leave it to others to determine who may or may not be ignorant here.  The evidence is that the example at https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/installation-guide/example-preseed.txt is for Ubuntu. but you state it is for Debian (providing nothing by way of evidence or example to support your claim)...
[19:18]  * djshotglass yawns
[19:18]  * djshotglass gives you thumbs up
[19:19] <djshotglass> # Suite to install.
[19:19] <djshotglass> #d-i mirror/suite string &releasename;
[19:20] <djshotglass> d-i mirror/suite string ubuntu-server?
[19:20] <djshotglass> you're little guide doent even touch on this option
[19:21] <jmarsden> ?  &releasename will turn into jaunty or karmic or whatever... the release name... the "suite" in Debian terminology.
[19:22] <android60> I am trying to install from USB since i do not have a cd drive, and I get "THe CD-ROM drive contains a cd which cannot be used for installation" when it tries to detect and mount cdrom. I followed steps in wiki
[19:24] <djshotglass> what about https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/installation-guide/i386/preseed-contents.html#preseed-base-installer
[19:24] <jmarsden> android60: Which page of which wiki?  And in particular, which CDROM image (.iso file) did you burn to that CD?
[19:24] <djshotglass> d-i base-installer/kernel/linux/initramfs-generators string yaird or d-i base-installer/kernel/image string linux-generic
[19:25] <android60> jmarsden: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick . I want 9.10 server, but I have tried 9.04 alternate and another. the only one i can get to work is the regular ubuntu live cd
[19:27] <djshotglass> tasksel tasksel/first multiselect ubuntu-desktop
[19:27] <jmarsden> djshotglass: Just leave that commented out, I think... do you have a good reason to change the default there?
[19:27] <djshotglass> will that install X?
[19:27] <jmarsden> djshotglass: Yes, you want to change that if you are installing a server :)
[19:27]  * djshotglass comments out
[19:28] <jmarsden> tasksel --list will show you the tasks you can choose
[19:28] <djshotglass> as for the base question, my keyboard doesnt work during install so im trying to uncomment/set everything
[19:28] <djshotglass> so it doesnt ask me anything
[19:28] <djshotglass> but if you think if i leave it commented it and it wont ask me about it i will leave it
[19:28] <android60> djshotglass: so which image should i use?
[19:28] <pmatulis>       /quit
[19:28] <jmarsden> android60: OK, let me read that and see what I can figure out...
[19:29] <jmarsden> djshotglass: Seems an unusual reason to use preseeding to me, but OK.  I'd try a new keyboard or maybe an older (PS/2) keyboard, if the current one is USB :)
[19:30] <djshotglass> i dont have a ps/2
[19:30] <djshotglass> tried every one in the house (all usb)
[19:30] <djshotglass> debian and ubuntu-server are the only installers ever to give me a problem
[19:31] <giovani> what kind of computer and keyboard?
[19:32] <android60> jmarsden: i think i got it working now
[19:32] <jmarsden> android60: OK, cool
[19:33] <android60> on the unetbootin boot screen, i selected a straight install instead of default which i guess works around the mount problem
[19:35] <jmarsden> djshotglass: Regarding that tasksel tasksel/first multiselect ubuntu-desktop, you may want to replace ubuntu-desktop with server    instead of commenting the line out.
[19:36] <djshotglass> ok
[19:43] <djshotglass> do i need to do anyhting but copy the contents of ubuntu-9.04-server-i386.iso to a usb stick and put my preseed.cfg in install/
[19:50] <jmarsden> Probably... see the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick info for USB boot info.
[19:51] <djshotglass> ty
[19:51] <jmarsden> I tend to be a traditionalist and use CD-RW or DVD-RW media rather than USB sticks for install tests, and then create a CD-R or DVD-R once I have one that works.
[20:24] <blizzkid> lo all. what is in your opinion the best book about linux security (eg iptables)?
[20:27] <giovani> blizzkid: you equate "linux security" to iptables?
[20:27] <blizzkid> giovani: no, I see iptables as part of linux security
[20:27] <giovani> hmm
[20:27] <giovani> I wouldn't
[20:28] <blizzkid> or to rephrase: linux/network security
[20:28] <giovani> network security is an entire industry/discipline in itself
[20:29] <blizzkid> ofcourse, but eg iptables is both linux and network...
[20:29] <giovani> it sounds like you're looking for something all-in-one
[20:29] <giovani> and, unfortunately, you'll just end up with a shitty book if you look for that
[20:30] <giovani> blizzkid: so you want an iptable guide, or a book on security? they're totally different, imo
[20:30] <giovani> iptables*
[20:30] <blizzkid> I'm looking for one on security that covers ao iptables
[20:30] <giovani> ok, well I'd advise not looking for that
[20:30] <giovani> so if you'd like that, sorry, I can't help
[20:31] <blizzkid> and a security one in general?
[20:31] <giovani> so, security is a huge discipline ... I could recommend 5 or 6 books that offer a range of topics within security
[20:32] <giovani> if you want to learn how to use iptables itself -- then you're better off with an online guide/howto -- it's really not very complex to do basic firewalling, and definitely doesn't need a book
[20:32] <blizzkid> giovani: feel free to recommend all 5 of them ;)
[20:32] <giovani> alright, let me sort through my list -- it'll take a few minutes
[20:33] <blizzkid> np, you can pm me giovani I might be afk for a few minutes
[20:34] <giovani> ok, so as my two intro-to-network-security books, I'd recommend these: Practical Unix & Internet Security and The Tao of Network Security Monitoring
[20:35] <giovani> these are both theory-oriented, and not as much implementation-oriented -- this is on purpose -- I believe early on you should be focusing on concepts, and not tools
[20:35] <giovani> both are not very modern -- and may be a tad out of date -- this isn't an issue with theory, in general
[20:44] <jmarsden> Also see http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Reading-List-HOWTO/b80.html and the book "Real World Linux Security: Intrusion Prevention, Detection, and Recovery, 2nd edition, Bob Toxen, 2003, ISBN 0-13-046456-2, Prentice-Hall."  which is more practically oriented, if old now.
[20:45] <blizzkid> k, I'll certainly have a look at all of them. Thx giovani!
[20:54] <giovani> sigh, I so hate tool-oriented books
[20:54] <giovani> even moreso ones that talk about "intrusion prevention" technology
[20:56] <maek> whats the "thing" called that lets me prevent a pkg from getting upgraded when I run agt-get upgrade? pinning?
[20:56] <giovani> apt-pinning
[20:57] <maek> giovani: thanks
[20:57] <giovani> no problem -- a google search for "pinning" would've shown you Apt-Pinning in the 2nd and 3rd results
[20:58] <maek> ah, sorry. I wasnt sure if it was pinning. I spend most of my days in redhat land but got a new ubuntu server
[21:00] <maek> I'm a bit confused is to bring in a new version with out upgrading everything that repo has to offer, and/or preventing something from upgrading? I want my php to stay the way it is regardless of there being an update available. thanks
[21:19] <DragonLord> is it possible to install ubuntu-server (easy) on a 512Mb HDD?
[21:20] <giovani> DragonLord: not unmodified, iirc
[21:28] <DragonLord> any dist recmmendations for a 512Mb HDD, I just want to run ventrilo and a chat server I have written in Java
[21:30] <giovani> DragonLord: unlikely that you can run ventrilo on a computer that has a 512MB hard drive
[21:30] <giovani> it'd be ancient
[21:32] <blizzkid> DragonLord: DSL?
[21:32] <blizzkid> (Damn Small Linux)
[21:38] <DragonLord> giovani, sorry I mean Ventrilo Server, not the client
[21:40] <giovani> DragonLord: yes, I know that
[21:42] <djshotglass> setup only detects usb stick im intalling from
[21:42] <djshotglass> for a hdd to partition
[21:42] <djshotglass> bios sees a 80gb hdd
[21:43] <djshotglass> y not setup
[21:43] <giovani> uh
[21:43] <giovani> maybe the controller the drive is plugged into isn't supported
[21:45] <djshotglass> ide
[21:46] <giovani> yes, that doesn't tell us if the controller is supported
[22:01] <blizzkid> djshotglass: that's like saying you have a diesel car when asked what brand of car you have
[22:09] <mm_202> For a Colo server, running ubuntu server 8.04, with multiple domains (shared on one ip), what would be the easiest/best email package(s)?
[22:09] <blizzkid> mm_202: I like postfix + dovecot best
[22:11] <ScottK> That's also what's supported here.
[22:11] <mm_202> blizzkid: okay, thanks.  On the ubuntu server docs, it mentions exim4, where would that fit in?
[22:12] <blizzkid> mm_202: http://librenix.com/?inode=633
[22:12] <ScottK> That's an alternative MTA (would replace Postfix) and it's in Main and has security support, but not what we cover in the server guide.
[22:12] <ruben23> hi
[22:14] <ruben23> anyone experience a linux box reboots itself
[22:14] <ruben23> in a couple of mnutes
[22:16] <giovani> look at the logs, ruben23
[22:16] <giovani> it is most likely hardware-related unless there's something in the logs
[22:21] <ruben23> giovani:what log would i be checking it..?
[22:22] <guntbert> ruben23: start with /var/log/messages
[22:22] <blizzkid> ruben23: I don't want to be rude... but should you be running Ubuntu if you ask _that_ question?
[22:23] <ruben23> yes im on ubuntu..
[22:23] <ruben23> LTS
[22:23] <blizzkid> :S
[22:24] <blizzkid> ruben23: that's not what I asked
[22:28] <guntbert> blizzkid: you question *could* be more specific I guess - ubuntu (desktop) *is* intended for linux beginners - server is certainly not
[22:29] <blizzkid> guntbert: since we're in -server I obviously implicitly mean -server
[22:29] <blizzkid> and if the question was about desktop, it shouldn't have been asked here in the first place
[22:30] <ScottK> You wouldn't have been the first to do it if you had though.
[22:31] <ruben23> blizzkid: im doing it on a server platform
[22:31] <blizzkid> ScottK: ??
[22:31] <guntbert> blizzkid: right you are - I would have said "should you be running a server system...." - but thats just me of course
[22:31] <blizzkid> guntbert: you're right, but he didn't get the question anyway ;)
[22:32] <ScottK> It's not rare for people to show up here and ask desktop questions.
[22:32] <blizzkid> ScottK: oh, yeah, that :) yeah, plain english seems to hard for some :)
[22:33] <caribooredneck> Got problems setting up 8.04 Lts for virtual hosting as a testing server
[22:33] <guntbert> ruben23: please don't think we want to discourage you - just make sure to keep you server strictly in a private network, and maybe read https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/index.html
[22:33] <guntbert> *your server
[22:34] <caribooredneck> still want access to the net in the future
[22:34] <caribooredneck> I went through that and missing something
[22:34] <guntbert> !details | caribooredneck
[22:35] <blizzkid> also !ask
[22:35] <caribooredneck> Ubuntu 8.04 LTS
[22:35] <blizzkid> caribooredneck: could you possibly phrase a question?
[22:36] <caribooredneck> Trying to the name based virtual host, pardon me for being a dummy at this
[22:36] <caribooredneck> I need to set up two web pages and want ot call them by name
[22:36] <caribooredneck> to
[22:36] <blizzkid> "trying to the name based virtual host".... I'm a polyglot myself, but I don't know a single language in which this is considered a question
[22:37] <caribooredneck> What is the best way to go about it
[22:38] <caribooredneck> sorry I would like to call named sites without going online?
[22:38] <blizzkid> *sigh* Have you even _tried_ to look at some documentation?
[22:38] <guntbert> caribooredneck: only to clarify: your server runs fine, has all the needed connectivity and you want to know how to configure your http server  (apache?) for name based virtual hosts
[22:39] <caribooredneck> yuppers thanks for making the works for me
[22:39] <blizzkid> caribooredneck: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/vhosts/ or http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/ depending on the version of apache you're running
[22:40] <caribooredneck> running 2.2
[22:40] <blizzkid> second link then
[22:40] <blizzkid> I don't think there's much diff between 2.0 and 2.2 when it comes to virtual hosts anyway
[22:40] <guntbert> caribooredneck: you *will* have to look at the docu yourself though, and then there is always #httpd
[22:41] <caribooredneck> Yup thanks, the only place I did not look
[22:41] <caribooredneck> Looked at many other ones, just got more confused
[22:43] <caribooredneck> Got one more question that has be confused
[22:43] <blizzkid> !ask caribooredneck
[22:44] <caribooredneck> LOL  I have server set to IP 192.168.1.66 Name myserver   Do I set up extra ip's per page?  Is that teh best way to go
[22:44] <caribooredneck> the
[22:45] <blizzkid> caribooredneck: _please_ read some _documentation_. Please.
[22:45] <caribooredneck> I am, was just a question for advice if any one has done it before
[22:46] <blizzkid> lots of people have done it before, and have documented it, that's why documentation exists in the first place
[22:48]  * guntbert tosses a candy to blizzkid 
[22:49] <caribooredneck> I know, everybody has their own opinion.  I was just getting confused by trying to many different ideas.  All I wanted to know, from past experiences which is the best and easiet to go?  Just looking for an opinion from those who have done this befor, as this is my first time
[22:49] <blizzkid> lol guntbert. I just think people should 1. RTFM; 2. RTFM again; 3. RTFM once more; 4. Google; 5. Try; 6. come to irc
[22:50] <caribooredneck> sorry for asking
[22:51] <blizzkid> caribooredneck: I don't blame you for asking help, but it's very annoying to help people that don't seem to have searched docs/forum/...
[22:52] <blizzkid> mind the "don't seem to"
[22:52] <guntbert> blizzkid: I don't see it quite that way - a question on IRC often gives a good starting point/direction - but I agree that afterwards everyone should do the reading him/herself
[22:52] <caribooredneck> I have been there for the last 2 hours, and could not find what I was looking for.  My problem is I am not sure how to ask teh question!
[22:53] <caribooredneck> the
[22:53] <blizzkid> guntbert: I guess it depends on the type of question... "Any advice on good security books?" is something completely different than "How do I install an app in Ubuntu?"
[22:54] <guntbert> caribooredneck: you could start by going to www.apache.org, or search for: apache "name based" "virtual hosts"
[22:54] <blizzkid> the first one is legit to ask on irc imho, since googling will not really help you there
[22:54] <blizzkid> the second one is an easy google search that will show you many results
[22:54] <blizzkid> obviously searching google is an art in itself
[22:55] <caribooredneck> Thx I know about the google thing.  Sorry I am a dummy when it comes to this.  Been playing with this for 2 weeks on and off
[22:56] <blizzkid> caribooredneck: don't apologize. The first thing you should do when learning something new, is read, read and read
[22:56] <guntbert> blizzkid: yes - and I don't want to patronize - but still: ubuntu *should* mean something special (even on the server line - as long as nobody try to bring his server into the internet prematurely)
[22:56] <guntbert> *tries **
[22:57] <caribooredneck> I have read so much, that is why I am so confused.  One says this is the way to go, the other says this is the only way to go.  In the end neither worked
[22:57] <blizzkid> caribooredneck: then you have obviously read the wrong books/sites/whatever ;)
[22:57] <blizzkid> always start with the official documentation
[22:57] <caribooredneck> I know that thanks to google
[22:58] <blizzkid> guntbert: that's exactly the problem, Ubuntu _server_ is not meant for beginners, and beginners *should* read, read, read before they bring the server online
[22:59] <blizzkid> unfortunately reading takes time, and people want instant satisfaction nowadays
[22:59] <blizzkid> with all security issues coming with it
[22:59] <caribooredneck> that is why I want if for testing offline first to learn it
[23:00] <blizzkid> btw caribooredneck don't see my raging here as a personal attack, irc doesn't allow to express messages the way spoken word does
[23:00] <caribooredneck> I have no problems with the reading and screwing things up. I just want to make sure I am screwing it up right................LOL
[23:01] <caribooredneck> I understand your thoughts. I deal with it at my place of work everyday.
[23:02] <guntbert> blizzkid: *very* true - but "not for linux beginners" can also mean "for beginning server admins" - and it was merely *our* attitude I wanted to question - (and I definitely said "our" and not "your") :-) - and before I get the !ot i let it be :-)
[23:03] <blizzkid> guntbert: I won't give you the !ot ;) We seem to agree but express things slightly differently. Anyway, maybe there should be a channel #ubuntu-server-beginners or something like that
[23:04] <caribooredneck> That would be good! So I don't feel so stupid asking these questions
[23:04] <ScottK> blizzkid: This is supposed to be that channel.
[23:04] <ScottK> (not only that, of course)
[23:04] <blizzkid> but caribooredneck to give you one really good advice: google this: "howtoforge perfect server ubuntu"
[23:05] <guntbert> blizzkid: good point - but I'd vote against splitting up - caribooredneck don't feel stupid for asking - its the "not asking" which makes us stupid
[23:05] <maxb> caribooredneck: It would be easier for people to guide you if you were to ask very specific questions stating *exactly* what's not working - the more general the question, the more likely it is you'll be pointed to the documentation, because people don't want to type long essays into IRC that are already adequately covered in available documentation.
[23:05] <blizzkid> ScottK: I know, but imho it should be split (like #ubuntu should be too), I'd prefer kind of a 1st, 2nd - 3rd level approach
[23:06] <ScottK> blizzkid: It's an interesting theory, but I don't think it really works out in practice.
[23:06] <caribooredneck> Been down that road, did not work.  I was missing something, not sure what.  It was set up to be an online server, not a LAN
[23:06] <blizzkid> ScottK: imho it would (taken the 2nd and 3rd level would be invite channels)
[23:06]  * guntbert calls it a night - bye
[23:07] <blizzkid> caribooredneck: LAN or WAN setup is exactly the same
[23:07] <blizzkid> nite guntbert
[23:07] <caribooredneck> Thx guntbert for the smack upside the head    IT HELPED
[23:08] <blizzkid> ScottK: take #ubuntu, try to ask a little more advanced question there... no-one will be able to help since 90% are beginners (nothing wrong with it obviously) and the other 10% is helping to answer basic questions
[23:08] <ScottK> I don't have a good answer.  Splitting the channels has problems too.
[23:09] <blizzkid> Ofcourse, perfection doesn't exist
[23:12] <ScottK> Here I don't think it's so busy it's a big problem.
[23:12] <blizzkid> true
[23:13] <blizzkid> but then again, -server should be a little more advanced users, knowing they should do some research first (and if they have done so, show us they did)
[23:14] <ScottK> That's why I added the link to the esr smart questions faq in /topic.
[23:14] <ScottK> Not that it actually helps
[23:15] <blizzkid> hehe, indeed, I wonder how many ppl actually read the topic
[23:23] <caribooredneck> Thx guys think things are starting to make sense now as things are getting done the way I want.  Thx again for the smack upside the head to clear it out!