[00:00] <newser> hello, does karmic have a better support for inter videocards?
[00:00] <newser> *intel
[00:02] <HaeginsServerBro> Hi, anyone able to help me recover an ubuntu karmic server install
[00:03] <HaeginsServerBro> it crashed earlier today and when I rebooted it grub gave errors
[00:04] <HaeginsServerBro> Now I'm booting off a unetbootin ubuntu image and it's giving me BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 61s! [depmod:775] errors
[00:08] <HaeginsServerBro> ok, looks like it might have been a BIOS issue...
[00:16] <Daekdroom> Which command access the GUI where I can config GDM?
[00:27] <maxb> Daekdroom: there is no such GUI
[00:27] <Daekdroom> maxb: thanks
[00:27] <Daekdroom> Just making sure I wasn't missing something.
[00:28] <maxb> Someone is supposed to be writing one IIRC, but I'm pretty sure it's not arrived yet
[00:28] <maxb> oh, actually
[00:28] <maxb> gdmsetup
[00:29] <maxb> but it looks REALLY basic so far
[00:29] <Daekdroom> Yeah. I checked it.
[00:29] <Daekdroom> Some versions ago it could configure almost anything.
[00:30] <maxb> Yes, but gdm got a total rewrite upstream
[01:10] <Ayla> hello
[01:10] <Ayla> I lost the "gnome-sound-properties" program, which should be in the "gnome-control-center" (apt-file told me so), but I can't retrieve it even with reinstalling gnome-control-center, any ideas ?
[01:10] <twright> Ayla, you can get it back with sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[01:11] <Ayla> twright: I already tried that (with apt-get), the problem is still here
[01:11] <twright> just a sec then
[01:11] <Ayla> It's not my day xD
[01:12] <twright> Ayla, you could try reinstalling gnome-audio
[01:13] <Ayla> twright: reinstalling ? it was not installed
[01:13] <twright> pulseaudio is now integrated into gnome so you can not just remove it
[01:14] <twright> "it was not installed", I think that this was the problem
[01:14] <Ayla> twright: no :( I installed it, and the program "gnome-sound-properties" is still missing
[01:15] <twright> in that case you might be able to see if all of the recommends of the ubuntu-desktop package are installed via synaptic
[01:17] <Ayla> twright: it seems so
[01:18] <twright> in that case are libcanberra-pulse and all of the recommend of gnome-media installed?
[01:19] <Ayla> libcanberra-pulse is not
[01:20] <twright> then in that case it and pulse  audio should be
[01:22] <twright> you could try sudo aptitude install libcanberra-pulse pulseaudio pulseaudio-esound-compat  pulseaudio-module-bluetooth pulseaudio-module-gconf pulseaudio-module-udev  pulseaudio-module-x11 ubuntu-desktop
[01:25] <Ayla> twright: same problem again and again :/
[01:25] <twright> Ayla, well it  should not be too difficult from here
[01:26] <twright> did the above command do any good?
[01:26] <Ayla> everything was already installed, I tried reinstalling, but no chance
[01:28] <sunshinepants> does anyone use quake 3 arena on ubuntu?
[01:28] <twright> Ayla, Is sound preferences missing from both the panel and menus then
[01:28] <Ayla> yes
[01:28] <twright> sunshinepants, I do (or at least mods)
[01:29] <sunshinepants> twright: I use the point release and sound doesn't work.  Mouse is also not working
[01:30] <twright> Ayla, very weird - it many have broken some packages in removing pulseaudio so you could try fix broken packages in recovery mode
[01:30] <Ayla> twright: ok, I'll do that
[01:30] <twright> sunshinepants, I don't think quake likes pulseaudio
[01:31] <twright> Ayla, good luck :-)
[01:31] <Ayla> thanks
[01:31] <Ayla> now bed time @_@
[01:33] <twright> sunshinepants, are other similar games (i.e. openarena) working well
[01:33] <sunshinepants> twright: I thought pulseaudio's whole thing was transparency for alsa / oss apps.  actually I have no other games, well doom3 and quake4, half life2.  none work on linux natively afaik
[01:34] <twright> sunshinepants, doom3 and quake4 should
[01:34] <twright> anyway the sound on older games sometimes does not work well
[01:45] <sunshinepants> twright: really? that is good news.  so I guess you are straight alsa-only?
[01:46] <twright> twright, actually I am using pulseaudio as I don't really have that much of a gaming system
[01:46] <twright> although you can suspend it when playing
[01:51] <sunshinepants> twright: are you talking to yourself? j/k
[01:52] <twright> oops, it appears so
[01:53] <sunshinepants> it appears everything with q3a is good except for that, hopefully the mouse thing is also easy to fix.  It will be a while before I can test again
[01:55] <twright> good
[01:55] <twright> are you also on quake live?
[01:57] <twright> sunshinepants, are you also on quake live?
[01:58] <sunshinepants> twright: no, I installed it but it was just not as nice as playing native quake/quake3.. I'm logging this so leave your handle and I'll add you.  I'm not even sure that I can add people I'm just assuming that exists
[01:58] <Andre_Gondim> does anyone know which GNOME Karmic will be release, 2.28 or 2.28.1
[01:58] <twright> admiral_pain, see you sometime
[01:59] <twright> Andre_Gondim, probably whatever fits the schedule
[02:00] <Andre_Gondim> Twigathy, the gnome 2.28.1 will be release one week before the karmic release
[02:00] <twright> Andre_Gondim, if you ask on the mailing list someone might be more likely to know
[02:00] <odinsbane> wow so the 2.6.31 kernel is released, and it appears to compile the latest fglrx drivers.
[02:01] <Andre_Gondim> ok
[02:01] <twright> I doubt they will go to 2.28.1 as it will be in rc then
[02:01] <twright> they might add it later
[02:01] <twright> odinsbane, but not for any older cards :-(
[02:09] <musikgoat> hi, whats the username and password that can be used when running the installer and jumping to a tty?
[02:09] <musikgoat> i'd like to check for some files in a partition and don't want to go back through the installer again if i don't have to
[02:10] <Nattgew> if you run sudo it won't ask
[02:10] <Nattgew> I think ubuntu is the username
[02:10] <musikgoat> Nattgew: i'm at a login
[02:10] <musikgoat> ctrl+alt+f2
[02:11] <musikgoat> wondering if there is a default username password when running the installer
[02:12] <Nattgew> I think ubuntu is the username, no password
[02:13] <musikgoat> Nattgew: hah, i tried lots of generic words, but not leaving it blank
[02:13] <musikgoat> thanks!!
[02:13] <odinsbane> Well it fglrx installs now, but I still don't get compiz.  Has anybody reported anyluck with ATI and karmic?
[02:18] <Nattgew> I had an older card work with karmic... I think with the radeon driver
[02:33] <kuaera> I just upgraded from kubuntu jaunty to karmic [in order to try amarok 2.2 - I figured it was safe] and am experiencing extreme graphical corruption on most plasma elements.
[02:35] <Nattgew> kuaera, what graphics card are you using?
[02:36] <kuaera> Nattgew: On that computer, ATI Mobility 7500, I believe
[02:37] <kuaera> Nattgew: ...admittedly, glxgears performance is up 350%.
[02:40] <kuaera> Nattgew: It's an M7 core; though the corruption is ONLY on plasma. I can view GTK/Qt applications just fine, and the wallpaper/cashew are okay.
[02:48] <kuaera> Would this be some kind of Qt regression?
[02:49] <musikgoat> heh, not a good start so far, installed karmic alpha 5 nbr on an eee, and get fsck errors on the first boot
[02:49] <kuaera> musikgoat: Och.
[02:50] <musikgoat> its saying last mount time is in the future, i fsck.ext4 /dev/sda1 and it fixes the problem, then reboot gives the same error
[02:50] <musikgoat> hmm
[02:50] <musikgoat> maybe the hwclock needs to be reset
[02:53] <malnilion> musikgoat, did you try running just a simple fsck?
[02:53] <malnilion> Rather than fsck.ext4?
[02:54] <musikgoat> malnilion: the error was because i only fsck'ed the one partition, not the other
[02:54] <musikgoat> i mis-read
[02:55] <musikgoat> i'm at the desktop now
[02:55] <musikgoat> thanks though
[02:55] <malnilion> Glad you're up and running.
[02:55] <musikgoat> thnx
[02:56] <kuaera> malnilion: Do you have any suggestions for me? :/
[02:57] <malnilion> That is a very strange issue kuaera and I have no idea lol
[02:57] <musikgoat> hmm, but the trackpad is not working :P
[02:57] <kuaera> musikgoat: I got that sometimes with certain kernels.
[03:00] <musikgoat> ok, apt-get upgrading packages to give that a shot first
[03:39] <Nattgew> when I right click on a folder, it says Open Folder and then Browse Folder... they do the same thing... is that a new Gnome thing?
[03:40] <Nattgew> evidently that's only on the desktop...
[03:40] <crdlb> Nattgew: by default, nautilus uses spatial mode, which is why there are two choices
[03:40] <crdlb> ubuntu changes the default
[03:41] <crdlb> I would expect that the browse option would go away if browse is the default, so that might be a bug
[03:42] <crdlb> "if browse is the current default mode", I mean
[03:42] <Nattgew> is there a way to change that mode?
[03:42] <crdlb> to spatial?
[03:42] <Nattgew> are the options browse and spatial?
[03:43] <crdlb> preferences -> Behavior > always open in browser windows
[03:43] <crdlb> yes
[03:44] <Nattgew> ok, thanks, that's interesting, I never noticed that
[04:10] <raymondjtoth> hi how i install esound in ubvuntu 9.10?
[04:11] <raymondjtoth> how i install esound in ubuntu 9.10
[04:11] <raymondjtoth> ?
[04:11] <raymondjtoth> i took out paluse since dint like me im running 9.10
[04:11] <raymondjtoth> ?
[04:12] <raymondjtoth> any one willing to help me
[04:12] <raymondjtoth> got no sound untill i put them in
[04:13] <idyllic>  hi, i am on Karmic Alpha 5. I am unable to add my computer to ubuone account. When I start the client applet, It doesn't bring up the page for me to add my computer.
[04:13] <raymondjtoth> any one know how to add esound in ubuntu 9.10?
[04:15] <raymondjtoth> any one?
[04:17] <billybigrigger> wha?
[04:20] <raymondjtoth> ok i removed the paluse didnt play well how i install esound in ubuntu 9.20
[04:20] <raymondjtoth> i mean 9.10
[04:22] <raymondjtoth> any one here see my text
[04:23] <dtchen> you did what? removed pulse and now want to install esound?
[04:23] <raymondjtoth> dtchen yes pulsed gave me trubble with one softwere im using
[04:23] <raymondjtoth> how do i get esound
[04:23] <dtchen> well, i presume you'd want apt-get install esound, then
[04:24] <dtchen> on the other hand, which software was giving you trouble?
[04:24] <raymondjtoth> to meny
[04:24] <raymondjtoth> to meny to name here
[04:24] <dtchen> err
[04:24] <dtchen> you said "one"
[04:24] <dtchen> is it "one" or "many"?
[04:24] <raymondjtoth> i did it install it when i go to click sound i get waiting for sound dtchen
[04:24] <raymondjtoth> many
[04:24] <dtchen> (sigh, i wish there were a bit of consistency...)
[04:24] <raymondjtoth> what i do now and dont get a sound mixer eather with esound
[04:24] <raymondjtoth> dt
[04:24] <raymondjtoth> what i do now
[04:25] <dtchen> the sound stack is pretty fragile, and you've just gone and made it a bit more messy, unfortunately.
[04:25] <raymondjtoth> dtchen how i fix this
[04:25] <raymondjtoth> with so,thing that works
[04:25] <raymondjtoth> i need sound
[04:25] <dtchen> my recommendation is that you revert all your changes to pulseaudio, and we walk through the troubleshooting
[04:25] <raymondjtoth> please
[04:26] <raymondjtoth> i want better than pulse
[04:26] <raymondjtoth> i like to leqarn im a disability person
[04:26] <raymondjtoth> thats why i ask need easy to config with my atisum
[04:26] <raymondjtoth> dt hope understand
[04:26] <dtchen> no, i'm a bit confused
[04:27] <dtchen> please explain the precise problem(s) to me.
[04:27] <raymondjtoth> dt im a disability person and a driver for sound that is easy to config like windows ones are
[04:27] <raymondjtoth> what i got pulse to hared for me
[04:27] <idyllic>  hi, i am on Karmic Alpha 5. I am unable to add my computer to ubuone account. When I start the client applet, It doesn't bring up the page for me to add my computer.
[04:28] <dtchen> raymondjtoth: are you using a current desktop cd?
[04:28] <raymondjtoth> what i do now dt
[04:28] <raymondjtoth> i liked the one in ubuntu 9.04 dt how i get it in ubuntu 9.10 what 9.04 has
[04:28] <dtchen> raymondjtoth: (e.g., http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/karmic-desktop-i386.iso )
[04:28] <raymondjtoth> dt no i installed to hd
[04:29] <dtchen> raymondjtoth: do you have a desktop cd of one of the 9.10 alphas?
[04:29] <raymondjtoth> yes
[04:29] <raymondjtoth> dt i all ready installed it
[04:29] <raymondjtoth> as upgrade
[04:29] <dtchen> raymondjtoth: yes, i know you've installed it, but you don't have a pristine system, and so troubleshooting tends to be much more difficult
[04:29] <raymondjtoth> dt o ok will do
[04:30] <raymondjtoth> so for my sound how i get what 9.04 soudn has in ubuntu 9.10
[04:30] <raymondjtoth> ?
[04:30] <raymondjtoth> will get it if need it
[04:31] <raymondjtoth> dt what i do to get this sound
[04:32] <dtchen> raymondjtoth: i recommend you download and write that image to a cd, then reboot into it, and come back here
[04:32] <raymondjtoth> im in it
[04:32] <raymondjtoth> what i do
[04:33] <dtchen> raymondjtoth: are you in the _current_ daily-live or alpha 5? alpha 5 is not new enough.
[04:33] <raymondjtoth> yes
[04:33] <dtchen> "yes"?
[04:33] <raymondjtoth> i have new one dt
[04:34] <dtchen> raymondjtoth: ok, so you've rebooted into the current desktop cd? now, are you logged into GNOME?
[04:34] <raymondjtoth> yes
[04:34] <raymondjtoth> dt
[04:34] <dtchen> raymondjtoth: if you use rhythmbox, does sound audible?
[04:34] <dtchen> rather
[04:34] <raymondjtoth> yes
[04:34] <dtchen> raymondjtoth: if you use rhythmbox, is sound audible?
[04:34] <raymondjtoth> i hear sound
[04:35] <dtchen> raymondjtoth: ok, so which application is giving you problems?
[04:35] <raymondjtoth> dt want to try differfnt sound driver
[04:35] <raymondjtoth> better than pulsed one
[04:35] <dtchen> raymondjtoth: sorry, what's the problem?
[04:35] <raymondjtoth> my ipod and meny err
[04:35] <raymondjtoth> with pulse i get
[04:35] <Moon_Glorious> wubi work with 9.10?
[04:35] <raymondjtoth> want to take it off so can get somthing that dont get me mad
[04:35] <raymondjtoth> at all
[04:35] <raymondjtoth> and start throwing thing
[04:36] <raymondjtoth> dt
[04:36] <dtchen> raymondjtoth: what are you using your ipod with that pulse gives you problems?
[04:36] <raymondjtoth> yes
[04:36] <raymondjtoth> dt
[04:36] <dtchen> raymondjtoth: i don't understand what "yes" means in that context
[04:36] <raymondjtoth> my ipod has problem with pulse
[04:37] <dtchen> raymondjtoth: what program(s) are you using to play music from your ipod?
[04:37] <raymondjtoth> dt what driver cna i used
[04:37] <raymondjtoth> the default one
[04:37] <dtchen> raymondjtoth: rhythmbox? the one you just tested?
[04:37] <raymondjtoth> dt thats it
[04:37] <dtchen> raymondjtoth: what does rhythmbox or your ipod do instead of play the music you want?
[04:38] <raymondjtoth> only dose this when ipods on here
[04:38] <raymondjtoth> dt what driver i got
[04:38] <raymondjtoth> for option
[04:38] <dtchen> raymondjtoth: only does what?
[04:38] <dtchen> raymondjtoth: does rhythmbox (the music player) crash?
[04:39] <raymondjtoth> dt i get when i play somthing of ipod or install it pulse needs to close
[04:39] <raymondjtoth> and report it ever yimer
[04:39] <raymondjtoth> ever time
[04:39] <dtchen> raymondjtoth: let's attempt to reproduce the bug so i can get information to fix it, ok?
[04:39] <raymondjtoth> ok
[04:39] <raymondjtoth> i took off pulse sound]
[04:39] <raymondjtoth> all ready if boot into ubuntu
[04:40] <dtchen> raymondjtoth: you need to be using a live cd, not what you have installed on the hd
[04:40] <raymondjtoth> ok
[04:40] <raymondjtoth> i just tryed playing somthing and sed pulse need to close
[04:40] <raymondjtoth> ftom ipof
[04:40] <raymondjtoth> ipod
[04:41] <dtchen> raymondjtoth: please open Applications > Accessories > Terminal, and in it, type: apt-cache policy pulseaudio|grep ^ii
[04:41] <dtchen> sorry
[04:41] <dtchen> raymondjtoth: please open Applications > Accessories > Terminal, and in it, type: apt-cache policy pulseaudio|grep Installed
[04:42] <raymondjtoth> ok done
[04:42] <dtchen> raymondjtoth: what does the second command give you?
[04:42] <raymondjtoth> just a blinking vurser
[04:43] <dtchen> raymondjtoth: the second one, meaning: apt-cache policy pulseaudio|grep Installed
[04:43] <raymondjtoth> Installed: (none)
[04:43] <dtchen> raymondjtoth: please reboot into the live cd
[04:43] <raymondjtoth> im in live cd
[04:43] <raymondjtoth> thats what i get
[04:44] <dtchen> raymondjtoth: you need to have pulseaudio installed _and_ running
[04:44] <raymondjtoth> how i di that
[04:44] <raymondjtoth> how i reinstall it like was
[04:44] <raymondjtoth> so it running
[04:44] <raymondjtoth> dt i like this driver my self HDA Intel (Alsa Mixer)
[04:45] <raymondjtoth> dt how i get the  HDA Intel (Alsa Mixer) installed
[04:45] <dtchen> raymondjtoth: that's already being used. pulse runs on top of it.
[04:45] <raymondjtoth> i lobe them and easy for me
[04:45] <raymondjtoth> i want too yse it by self make it easy for me
[04:46] <raymondjtoth> im a disability person makes it easy for me
[04:46] <dtchen> if you've set it to that, then you're using it.
[04:46] <raymondjtoth> than pulse it
[04:46] <raymondjtoth> is
[04:46] <raymondjtoth> dt how do i i got no sound driver installed
[04:46] <raymondjtoth> not even paulse
[04:47] <dtchen> pulse is not a sound driver
[04:47] <raymondjtoth> dt can you helo me get driver installed
[04:47] <dtchen> you already have a sound driver installed
[04:47] <dtchen> see: cat /proc/asound/cards
[04:47] <raymondjtoth> what i do i hear no sounbd
[04:47] <raymondjtoth> i removed pulse
[04:48] <dtchen> then you need to use alsamixer
[04:48] <raymondjtoth> 0 [Intel          ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
[04:48] <raymondjtoth>                       HDA Intel at 0xefebc000 irq 21
[04:48] <dtchen> or, you can apt-get install gnome-alsamixer
[04:48] <raymondjtoth> dt what recamend for this one to install
[04:48] <raymondjtoth> and how do i
[04:48] <dtchen> if you want to use alsa direct, then just apt-get install gnome-alsamixer
[04:49] <raymondjtoth> gnome-alsamixer is already the newest version.
[04:49] <raymondjtoth> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[04:49] <raymondjtoth>   rtkit libgconfmm-2.6-1c2
[04:49] <raymondjtoth> Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
[04:49] <raymondjtoth> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[04:49] <raymondjtoth> i get that
[04:49] <raymondjtoth> what i do
[04:49] <raymondjtoth> waiting for sound i get when open sound up
[04:51] <dtchen> gnome-alsamixer has a menu entry; it should be in Sound & Video
[04:51] <raymondjtoth> there we go
[04:52] <raymondjtoth> how i add so it stat with ubuntu
[04:52] <raymondjtoth> so i see it like windows dose
[04:53] <dtchen> you can add it to your startup programs
[04:53] <dtchen> i don't use GNOME, so i'm afraid i'm not the best person to walk you through it
[04:53] <raymondjtoth> ok how i get sounds to work like ubunt 9.04 did
[04:57] <billybigrigger> that was a waste of a dual-layer disc
[04:57] <raymondjtoth> dt
[04:57] <billybigrigger> how do i tell if my dvdrw is DL capable? i always thought it was, g-d-u is no help, and neither is lshw
[04:59] <raymondjtoth> dt how i add it to start up
[05:00] <billybigrigger> raymondjtoth, System>Preferences>Startup Applications
[05:01] <raymondjtoth> billyu trying to add alsa mixer to start
[05:01] <raymondjtoth> were do i finde it
[05:01] <billybigrigger> i just told you
[05:01] <raymondjtoth> no once i brose for it
[05:01] <billybigrigger> then click "Add"
[05:01] <raymondjtoth> browse
[05:01] <raymondjtoth> ok
[05:01] <raymondjtoth> or eddit one
[05:01] <billybigrigger> name=Alsa-mixer
[05:02] <billybigrigger> command=alsamixer
[05:02] <billybigrigger> don't edit one
[05:02] <billybigrigger> ADD one
[05:02] <raymondjtoth> billy how i get this to read it
[05:03] <raymondjtoth> bill system and then preference and then sound
[05:03] <raymondjtoth> when i click that i get waiting for sound to start
[05:03] <raymondjtoth> what i do to fix it
[05:03] <raymondjtoth> start=respond
[05:04] <billybigrigger> sorry i wish i could help more
[05:04] <raymondjtoth> dt
[05:04] <billybigrigger> this cowboy is off to bed
[05:04] <raymondjtoth> or any ome
[05:05] <raymondjtoth>  system and then preference and then sound
 when i click that i get waiting for sound to start
 what i do to fix it
[05:05] <raymondjtoth> ?
[05:05] <raymondjtoth>  system and then preference and then sound
 when i click that i get waiting for sound to start
 what i do to fix it?
[05:05] <billybigrigger> hey raymondjtoth
[05:05] <billybigrigger> that must be a bug
[05:05] <raymondjtoth> billy yes
[05:06] <billybigrigger> when i launch pavucontrol i get "waiting for sound" aswell
[05:06] <billybigrigger> dtchen, aware of this?
[05:06] <raymondjtoth> no i uninstalled pulse and tryed to install esound
[05:06] <raymondjtoth> and got only then
[05:07] <raymondjtoth> sound i update
[05:07] <raymondjtoth> !beta
[05:08] <raymondjtoth> o ok
[05:15] <Flakeparadigm> Hello
[05:15] <Flakeparadigm> I have two questions.
[05:15] <Flakeparadigm> two issues, more or less
[05:16] <Flakeparadigm> 1) Have the Nvidia drivers been fixed for the new kernel?
[05:16] <dtchen> which drivers?
[05:16] <Flakeparadigm> graphics drivers, speciffically 137 I think it is
[05:16] <billybigrigger> we're on 185.xx.xx now :P
[05:17] <dtchen> 185.18.36 works fine with the current Karmic kernel
[05:17] <dtchen> it seems like 173.14.20 does, too
[05:17] <Flakeparadigm> oh, ok. Thanks!
[05:18] <Flakeparadigm> Alright #2 - When I try to download something from the internet, it takes a while to connect to the server
[05:18] <Flakeparadigm> and my internet speeds are rather slow
[05:19] <Flakeparadigm> But in karmic only, though.
[05:20] <dtchen> unfortunately, that's much too vague to really diagnose
[05:20] <Flakeparadigm> What are some possible issues that I can explore?
[05:20] <dtchen> you'd need to describe the nic(s), the medium(-ia), the applications, etc.
[05:22] <Flakeparadigm> Well I've noticed it in firefox, aurora, and konqueror. The wait is also seen in wget
[05:23] <Flakeparadigm> what exactly do you mean by nic and medium?
[05:23] <test34> I get more problems with my sound in karmic.. is this a known problem ?
[05:26] <Flakeparadigm> oh, Network Interface Card. ha. I have an Intel Wireless 3945ABG card alog with a Realtek RTL8101E/RTL8102E
[05:26] <Flakeparadigm> both interfaces have the same issue.
[05:26] <test34> anywhere I can find the current version of a packages for current-stable and alpha ?
[05:27] <test34> nevermind
[05:27] <test34> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu
 185.18.36 doesn't work well with new kernel yet. I still got error.
 kern.log -> NVRM: CPU does not support the PAT, falling back to MTRRs.
[05:46] <DanaG> dtchen: another handy thing, instead of alsamixer: gamix.
[06:07] <musikgoat|eee> so empathy doesn't have irc support?
[06:08] <musikgoat|eee> thats suprising that they would set it to be the default im client when it doesn
[06:08] <musikgoat|eee> 't have irc support
[06:11] <crdlb> musikgoat|eee: telepathy-idle
[06:18] <alteregoa> thank god i'm agnostic
[06:34] <musikgoat|eee> crdlb: its good that there is something out there, is this planning on being inported to the ubuntu dist?  if not, i just find it surprising that empathy was chosen to replace pidgin
[06:35] <crdlb> presumably, it will be installed
[06:51] <mneptok> musikgoat|eee: Empathy here seems to have the ability to add IRC accounts.
[06:52] <musikgoat|eee> mneptok: irc is a protocol in your drop down for accounts?
[06:56] <musikgoat|eee> mneptok: hmm, weird, irc wasnt in the list
[06:56] <musikgoat|eee> maybe i'm wrong though
[06:56] <musikgoat|eee> its in the list  now
[06:59] <mneptok> pays to look ;)
[07:01] <ripps> Does anybody else have trouble using gmail with evolution?
[07:02] <musikgoat|eee> mneptok: yeah, must be bad eyes :P
[07:03] <mac_v> !logs
[07:03] <mac_v> !schedule
[07:19] <ripps> Does anybody know how to add AccelDFS to my video card without using xorg.conf? I've done something similar by creating a custom fdi for my wacom tablet, but I'm not sure how to do it for my video card?
[07:28] <DWonderly> Have a problem with my netbook. When I unplug my netbook and it goes to battery power it also puts my netbook to sleep. here is the output of dmesg when I do this. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/270150/
[07:39] <DWonderly> okay, I tracked down my problem
[07:40] <DWonderly> when I pull A/C power off my netbook power managment registers it as a closed lid
[07:43] <LLStarks> flash video is now crashing all browsers on my desktop. opera, chromium, firefox, etc.
[07:48] <Oli``> Where has archive mounter gone?
[07:58] <micahg> Does anyone here running Gnome see the Shiretoko icon instead of the Firefox icon for Firefox 3.5?
[07:58] <robin0800> micahg: no
[08:01] <micahg> thanks robin0800
[08:21] <eagles0513875> !upgrade
[08:54] <eagles0513875> hey malnilion
[08:54] <eagles0513875> here goes nothign with an upgrade to karmic
[08:54] <eagles0513875> if it still works with grub one i might take a chance on grub 2
[08:58] <robin0800> eagles0513875: I think grub 2 is default in karmic
[08:59] <eagles0513875> i know robin0800 but upgrading doesnt upgrade grub from grub 1 to 2
[09:04] <vigo> If I have two users or two users and a guest log on at different times, are all the users on the most current update/upgrade that the sudo did?
[09:05] <eagles0513875> vigo: i wouldnt see why they wouldnt be
[09:07] <vigo> Thank you.
[09:09] <vigo> I did a few tests and checks, some updates appeared as though they did not take across the board, but they did synche up after a bit of time.
[09:14] <Dr_Willis> running somthing as its updating..  can be... quirky
[09:14] <Dr_Willis> but that dosent sound like your case.
[09:15] <vigo> No, was just a test case I was running on a box I have here.
[09:16] <AlanBell> I have a bit of a compiz fail in Karmic
[09:16] <eagles0513875> ok there is a serious problem with x on duel boot with boot camp :(
[09:17] <AlanBell> when I run at full resolution on my monitor which is 2048x1152. Not sure if it is compiz or the intel graphics driver. Where should I file a bug?
[09:17] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: is there an xorg channel about
[09:19] <AlanBell> eagles0513875: there is #ubuntu-x
[09:19] <eagles0513875> AlanBell: thanks i need to let them know about this
[09:21] <vigo> eagles0513875: Mac Book?
[09:21] <eagles0513875> macbook pro vigo
[09:21] <eagles0513875> im using boot camp to duel boot but for some reason karmic just doesnt wanna work
[09:21] <eagles0513875> the xserver doesnt wanna work
[09:21] <eagles0513875> but with jaunty it does
[09:22] <Mike1> powertop segfaults right after it shows something … what can i do?
[09:23] <vigo> eagles0513875: this thread sorta explains it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1141740&highlight=ubuntu+boot+camp
[09:23] <eagles0513875> vigo: i have no problems with duel booting with jaunty
[09:23] <eagles0513875> karmic becomes the issue
[09:23] <vigo> eagles0513875, ahhh,,let me look some more
[09:24] <eagles0513875> x seems to be the isse as well as grub 2
[09:24] <eagles0513875> when i do a clean install with grub 2 boot camp doesnt see the partition at all
[09:25] <eagles0513875> AlanBell: you have any ideas as to my issue i mentioned in the ubuntu-x channel
[09:26] <AlanBell> eagles0513875: none whatsoever :-(
[09:26] <eagles0513875> AlanBell: what does it sound like to u a kernel issue or a problem with xserver
[09:26] <AlanBell> eagles0513875: however I would suggest you do
[09:26] <AlanBell> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[09:26] <AlanBell> then
[09:27] <AlanBell> pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:27] <AlanBell> and put the url here
[09:27] <eagles0513875> ok hold on need to wire meself to the network here
[09:29] <robin0800> eagles0513875: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ is easier
[09:29] <eagles0513875> robin0800: i have no gui
[09:29] <eagles0513875> i get dropped right into a tty console
[09:35] <eagles0513875> AlanBell: pastbinit doesnt seem to work
[09:36] <eagles0513875> nm
[09:36] <AlanBell> eagles0513875: oh, are you connected to the network?
[09:36] <eagles0513875> ya i am sry it worked no
[09:36] <eagles0513875> AlanBell: got the pastebin http://pastebin.com/f551072e9
[09:37] <eagles0513875> hell that is handy
[09:37] <AlanBell> isn't it just :-)
[09:38] <eagles0513875> ya easier then copying and pasting the logs or what ever
[09:38] <eagles0513875> what does the log show if anything
[09:38] <AlanBell> ok, it all goes wrong at line 203
[09:38] <eagles0513875> what does it exactly say
[09:39] <AlanBell> well the card you have is "GeForce 9400M"
[09:39] <AlanBell> and that is confirmed on line 48
[09:40] <eagles0513875> what do i need to do comment out something?
[09:40] <AlanBell> and that does not turn up in the list of supported cards starting on line 111
[09:40] <eagles0513875> AlanBell: what doesnt make sense is how it works fine on jaunty
[09:40] <AlanBell> don't know. I am stuck now, but you have some decent information to file a bug with.
[09:41] <eagles0513875> ya let me ask in xorg and see if they can help me out a bit
[09:41] <AlanBell> ok, good luck
[09:42] <eagles0513875> thanks will let you know the verdict
[09:43] <eagles0513875> karmic from what i have seen in my vm on this desktop its gonna be nice
[09:44] <eagles0513875> AlanBell: dunno why i might have a hunch that  a compilaiton of x might be required to a newer version
[09:44] <eagles0513875> AlanBell: would installing the driver do anything
[09:48] <AlanBell> eagles0513875: I wouldn't go recompiling x. It is just the nvidia driver
[09:48] <eagles0513875> i didnt have anything installed driver wise yet
[09:48] <eagles0513875> am installing it now
[09:48] <AlanBell> the list of supported cards might be in a file somewhere, but I expect you are going to hit closed source stuff
[09:48] <eagles0513875> possibly
[09:49] <AlanBell> oh actually you are using nv which is the open driver at the moment
[09:49] <AlanBell> installing the nvidia driver will probably fix it then
[09:49] <AlanBell> and you have a bug to report against the nv driver
[09:50] <flukebox> hi all
[09:50] <AlanBell> I just reported bug 428769 against the intel driver for not working in Karmic with my 2048x1152 monitor
[09:50] <flukebox> i just want to know ... how can i change my gdm-greeter theme ?
[09:56] <flukebox> anybody here ?
[09:56] <flukebox> anybody here using karmic ?
[09:57] <vigo> I was looking,,,,
[09:57] <vigo> Yes, this is the Karmic channel.
[09:57] <flukebox> have you any clue where gdm-theme manager has gone?
[09:57] <nzmm> flukebox: i am a user
[09:57] <flukebox> i can only login-screen but no gdm-theme manager
[09:58] <flukebox> *only see
[09:59] <flukebox> earlier there was 'login-window' application "System → Administration → Login Window".. from where we can change gdm themes
[09:59] <flukebox> but ..now i m locate similiar app
[09:59] <flukebox>  nzmm: you here ?
[09:59] <vigo> GDM  - Acronym for GNOME Display Manager. GDM is the standard display manager for GNOME and Ubuntu. GDM provides the user with the initial login screen and manages the starting and stopping of X server sessions.
[09:59] <vigo>     *
[10:00] <vigo> That thing?
[10:00] <flukebox> vigo: yeah
[10:00] <flukebox> vigo: that only
[10:00] <flukebox> vigo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[10:01] <idyllic> The gdm 2.27.91 login manager is a complete rewrite compared to the version in earlier Ubuntu releases. Don't think you can change anything at the moment
[10:01] <flukebox> go to this section 'changing login window (GDM)'
[10:01] <vigo> flukebox: I did a search on Ubunti Docs and got this page after refining it to Karmic...https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Glossary
[10:01] <David-T> anyone here got eclipse and vuze installed on karmic?
[10:01] <vigo> and > https://help.ubuntu.com/search.html?cof=FORID%3A9&cx=003883529982892832976%3Ae2vwumte3fq&ie=UTF-8&q=karmic+GDM&sa=Search
[10:01] <David-T> they seem to have complicated dependency problems involving libswt
[10:03] <flukebox> vigo, idyllic: is that so ? i mean .. theme couldn't be hard-coded ?
[10:03]  * David-T finds debian bug 541638
[10:03] <flukebox> *shouldn't
[10:04] <vigo> flukebox: That is the nature of Alpha, I reckon.
[10:04] <nzmm> flukebox: i dont think the gdm is very configurable these days
[10:04] <nzmm> by design
[10:05] <Dr_Willis> yea the gdm config stuff.. is totally  redone now it seems.
[10:05] <flukebox> nzmm:hmm
[10:05] <idyllic> It took so long to reach the gdm and from gdm to the desktop in karmic. At least for me.
[10:05] <Dr_Willis> idyllic:  it wsa amazing fast here.
 i disabled a lots of services and startup. It is still very slow compare to jaunty =/
 can shed some light on it? =)
[10:06] <flukebox> idyllic, Dr_Wills: I m also seeing some slowdown compared to jaunty .. even greeters comings after 30+secs after boot
[10:06] <David-T> for some reason after gdm starts I hve to wait 30 seconds before it shows the list of users and lets me login
[10:06] <nzmm> flukebox: all you seem to be able to do is change a few login settings, but no easy themeability it seems
[10:06] <Dr_Willis> idyllic:  its fast here.. i never touched anything.    so cant really offer any suggestons
[10:06] <flukebox> nzmm: i guess so .... too bad though :-(
[10:07] <nzmm> guess so
[10:07] <flukebox> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/GdmFaceBrowser    ... when will this come ?
[10:07] <vigo> Make it better! we are allowed to.
[10:08] <flukebox> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot/Demo ?
[10:08] <nzmm> flukebox: i would say n+2 is most likely
[10:09] <flukebox> n+2 ?
[10:09] <flukebox> nzmm: n+2?
[10:09] <nzmm> a few ubuntu releases away
[10:09] <eagles0513875> man oh man oh man this isnt looking too good
[10:09] <idyllic> hi, i am on Karmic Alpha 5. I am unable to add my computer to ubuone account. When I start the client applet, It doesn't bring up the page for me to add my computer.
[10:10] <flukebox> nzmm: ohh... okk ... cool
[10:14] <SwedeMike> idyllic: I guess people doesn't know what ubuone is. I'd never heard about it before, and googling doesn't give an english-language webpage.
 >.< Sorry. UbuntuOne.. the new online storage service was what i referring to
[10:15] <eagles0513875> AlanBell: is this normal on karmic to have an xorg.confg like this http://pastebin.com/f1947cfe
[10:15] <vigo> Ubuone in  Places
[10:17] <eagles0513875> wtf this is getting interesting
[10:18] <robin0800> eagles0513875: no on a clean install there is no file present
[10:18] <eagles0513875> robin0800: ok
[10:18] <robin0800> alpha 5 that is
[10:18] <eagles0513875> i wonder what would happen when i remove it
 O_O;; then how is Xorg conf stored?
[10:18] <eagles0513875> ya i just did an upgrade
[10:19] <eagles0513875> idyllic: exactly how is it stored robin0800
[10:19] <mac_v> nzmm: hi... did you get time to work on the icon library?
[10:25] <Ubunux> hello
[10:27] <eagles0513875> i need some serious help from someone whose really well versed in x
[10:27] <vigo> Thank you, I am getting that Edbuntu thing now.
[10:29] <eagles0513875> !reconfigure
 maybe,  you can try "Xorg -configure"  before at tty
[10:32] <eagles0513875> idyllic: wil try now
[10:32] <eagles0513875> idyllic: it doesnt exist
 What do you mean by it doesn't exist?
[10:34] <eagles0513875> saying xorg-configure command not found
[10:34]  * eagles0513875 thinks me on noobish mode today
[10:34] <idyllic> it is capitalized X
[10:35] <idyllic> Xorg<space>-configure
[10:35] <eagles0513875> oh
[10:35] <eagles0513875> duh
[10:35] <robin0800> eagles0513875: there is a space between the  g and the -
[10:35] <eagles0513875> ya im having a noobish moment
[10:36] <eagles0513875> it flashed the nvidia logo and my monitor has now gone blank
[10:36] <robin0800> eagles0513875: but it wont work you must stop X first
[10:36] <eagles0513875> robin0800: it was never running to begin with
 reboot then start with xterm session. then type "telinit 1"
[10:37] <eagles0513875> idyllic: can just boot into the recovery kernel aka run level 1
[10:38] <vigo> brb,
 Thanks. learn something new.
[10:51] <tgpraveen> !info empathy
[10:52] <tgpraveen> !info banshee
[11:06] <arvind_khadri> hi, i noticed that bluetooth isnt working proprly....did anyone else see that?
[11:07] <Tallken> haven't tested BT
[11:11] <Dr_Willis> depends on what part of 'bt' :) i guess also
[11:13] <arvind_khadri> Dr_Willis, i am not able to add devices, it was working a few days back
[11:17] <Dr_Willis> I found that on my phones i need to inititate the pariring from the phone to the pc.. not from the pc to the phone..
[11:26] <beans43> "greeter application appears to be crashing"  help
[11:26] <mostafa_> hey anybody knows how to add to Grub2?
[11:30] <mostafa_> hey anybody knows how to add to and delete item from Grub2?
[11:30] <robin0800> mostafa_:  sudo /etc/default/grub then update-grub
[11:31] <Dr_Willis> thres a 'grub 2 ' beginners guide onthe wiki/forums
[11:31] <Dr_Willis>   /etc/default/grub  and /etc/grub.d/* are the files you edit
[11:32] <yofel> that would be
[11:32] <yofel> !grub2
[11:32] <Haegin> hi, apt is segfaulting at the end of an update or before I install, remove or upgrade. I have tried reinstalling apt to no avail. Any ideas?
[11:34] <Haegin> beans43: the greeter application is gdm, have you changed any login screen themes or anything recently? If not you can get into your system using a console login (Ctrl+Alt+F1-6) and then run startx to try and get into graphical login.
[11:36] <beans43> Haegin, no. i have not change a thing. i notice is gdm , so i try to install kdm, but it failed. said dependencies
[11:37] <andruk> i just installed alpha 5 and rebooted and i get a "Entering rescue mode..." "error: out of disk" "grub rescue> " prompt.  i have been unsuccessful in finding much documentation on the web, and i dont think the built-in help is working (previously had same error with alpha 3).  anybody have any advice?  how do i file a bug report against this?
[11:38] <beans43> Haegin, my firefox and xhcat keep crashing too
[11:38] <Haegin> beans43: yeah, kdm is the kde greeter, you probably don't want to mix kde in as you will end up with lots of stuff you don't want. If you want to try using a different greeter you could use xdm.
[11:39] <beans43> Haegin, also installing kubuntu failed
[11:39] <beans43> dependencies prob
[11:39] <Haegin> beans43: are you using ubuntu or kubuntu?
[11:39] <beans43> ok, i will try xdm
[11:39] <beans43> ubuntu
[11:39] <Haegin> ok, if firefox and xchat keep crashing what error messages do they give?
[11:40] <beans43> Haegin, no error.
[11:40] <andruk> here's a nice screenshot of grub 2 erroring out: http://yfrog.com/030000010fjj
[11:40] <Dr_Willis> Thers a neat looking Framebuffer based Login greeter. Qingley ? I think was its name
[11:40] <Haegin> beans43: try running them from a terminal to see what errors they spit out
[11:40] <beans43> Haegin, also, when i move files via natulis from /dev/sda1 to flash drive, half way, it failed. no error. my destop files are not visible. i end up rebooting
[11:40] <Haegin> Dr_Willis: Qingy is probably the one you are recalling, it looks nice but it's harder to configure.
[11:41] <Haegin> beans43: sda1 being your root partition? your home partition or what?
[11:41] <Dr_Willis> I toyed with it.  Dident get too deep into it.
[11:41] <beans43> Haegin, ok, so far firefox is fine.... i will run it via xterm next time
[11:41] <beans43> Haegin, my root and home
[11:42] <Haegin> beans43: ok, if you can retry the operation in a terminal it might give more informaiton as to why it failed
[11:42] <Haegin> how new is your hardware?
[11:42] <beans43> Haegin, something is very wrong, and i need to get 9.10 when final comes out
[11:42] <beans43> Haegin, ..... 3 years i suppose
[11:42] <beans43> i have compiz running too
[11:43] <beans43> Haegin, problem is intermittent
[11:43] <beans43> i ll have to wait till october for a clean install
[11:43] <Haegin> beans43: ok, it's almost certainly a karmic issue but for now you should make sure you are fully up to date, consider stopping compiz if that might be causing problems and run things from terminals if they start crashing to try and work out what the error message is
[11:44] <Haegin> Dr_Willis: if you are interested in lightweight login managers I quite like slim
[11:45] <beans43> Haegin, ok thx
[11:45] <SwedeMike> I just installed karmic and upon first boot I was dropped to shell because the superblock of the ext4 / partition had a timestamp in the future.
[11:45] <Haegin> beans43: good luck working it out.
[11:45] <SwedeMike> easily enough fixed, but not easily handled by a novice user.
[11:46] <Haegin> SwedeMike: did you happen to notice how fan in the future it was?
[11:46] <SwedeMike> Haegin: two hours.
[11:46] <SwedeMike> approximately... so my theory is that the installer was running in another TZ setting
[11:46] <Haegin> yeah, I had a similar problem where mine was always exactly an hour ahead of my system. I'm guessing you are 2 hours ahead of GMT?
[11:47] <Haegin> SwedeMike: I was experiencing the problem on a system that had been running for a while. I think it was a kernel problem as updating got rid of it.
[11:47] <SwedeMike> hm, I'm in CET.
[11:48] <SwedeMike> so right now 12:47, the timestamp of the superblock was 14:20
[11:48] <SwedeMike> which matches approximately the time I started the installer (installed usb stick->ssd)... which by the way installed very quickly indeed, solid state media is the bomb.
[11:48] <Haegin> SwedeMike: yeah, with DST that's two hours ahead of GMT which is the only pattern I could pick up
[11:49] <Haegin> if the installer was running the same kernel that gave me problems that might explain it
[11:49] <SwedeMike> I think it's kind of weird that ext4 fsck would give such an error just because the timestamp is in the future
[11:55] <Haegin> SwedeMike: in some ways yes but I imagine there could be potential for bad filesystem corruption if the system clock is faliing causing access and modified times to be all over the place. Especially with journaling.
[12:49] <krushia> could someone enlighten me as to how ubuntu's kde packages are broken up? for example, i see kdebase-workspace-bin and kdebase-workspace-data, but also kdebase-workspace, and then kdebase
[12:49] <krushia> i'd assume kdebase encompases all and the others are subsets
[12:49] <krushia> but deps don't seem to show it like that
[12:51] <penguin42> krushia: You can look on packages.ubuntulinux.org and have a dig through the packages
[12:51] <krushia> thanks
[12:54] <penguin42> krushia: It looks to me like kdebase-workspace-bin and friends was replaced by kdebase-runtime
[12:56] <vigo> I just placed a slew of K packages in, Edbuntu mix in the Ubuntu edition. Let me look at the logs...
[12:59] <Unggnu> hi all
[12:59] <Unggnu> can anyone confirm this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/421662?
[13:02] <Tallken> Unggnu: not today, will tomorrow, but I think I've used my WLAN on Karmic already...
[13:03] <Unggnu> Tallken, thx
[13:03] <Unggnu> Tallken, maybe it happens only with this revision
[13:03] <Unggnu> but not uncommon, Inspiron 1525
[13:06] <Tallken> maybe
[13:06] <Tallken> i'll comment the bug tomorrow
[13:07] <Unggnu> Tallken, many thanks, I have to go, bye
[13:18] <arvind_khadri> any guides for shifting over to alsa??
[13:21] <vigo> I think Pulse is required for that. But am not certain of the status. if there is any.
[13:24] <jadams_> so no one else has run into the flash/pulseaudio problem I have?  essentially, anytime flash is running I can't play audio from rhythmbox, and vice versa, depending on which was started first.  Googling finds a lot of fixes for this very issue, none of which work for me :(
[13:24] <jadams_> those fixes are for earlier versions of ubuntu, without fail...and obv. pulseaudio has changed since then
[13:25] <duffydack> flash+firefox in karmic is very laggy also.  I`m hoping things change next month...need to
[13:26] <vigo> jadams_: I was having choppy vid playback online, srythmbox seems to be picking up.
[13:26] <duffydack> it would be great to have vlc embedded in firefox to play flash vids.. it does it so much better.
[13:29] <arvind_khadri> jadams_, same prob here
[13:30] <jadams_> arvind_khadri, good to know I'm not the only one.  I see no bugs filed against pulseaudio in karmic.  Should I file it there?  What should I include in the bug report?
[13:30] <duffydack> the radeon driver is a lot better in this version however.  wine no longer freezes the whole machine when using graphically intensive apps
[13:31] <duffydack> saying that, the screen blanks whenever changing desktops or rotating cube.
[13:33] <jadams_> arvind_khadri, you should flag this as affecting you in launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/383891
[13:33] <MindVirus> No iPods were found in the HAL device tree
[13:33] <MindVirus> Help.
[13:33] <MindVirus> This is what podsleuth tells me when my iPod is visibly plugged in.
[13:33] <arvind_khadri> !ipod
[13:34] <arvind_khadri> jadams_, ant idea how to shift over to alsa
[13:35] <MindVirus> arvind_khadri: I can play music off of my iPod.
[13:35] <MindVirus> Podsleuth is malfunctioning.
[13:35] <MindVirus> This is a bug.
[13:35] <MindVirus> It's been reported but I don't know of any solutions.
[13:36] <MindVirus> dto: were you the one with the podsleuth problem?
[13:37] <MindVirus> jml: Was it you? I'm sorry both of you; I just remember someone came in here with a 3-letter lowercase name with my problem.
[13:41] <arvind_khadri> MindVirus, search launchpad about it.
[13:42] <MindVirus> arvind_khadri: roger.
[13:43] <eagles0513875> i need to talk to a dev badly
[13:43] <eagles0513875> :(
[13:45] <arvind_khadri> eagles0513875, #ubuntu-motu
[13:45] <eagles0513875> :(
[13:45] <eagles0513875> banned from there
[13:46] <arvind_khadri> eagles0513875, oops, go beg for mercy in #ubuntu-ops then
[13:46] <eagles0513875> they wont budge trust me i have tried
[13:47] <eagles0513875> this isnt looking ver promising for me and duel booting with karmic on my mac with boot camp on 2 fronts :(
[13:48] <arvind_khadri> eagles0513875, ok , whats the problem?
[13:48] <eagles0513875> one grub 2 isnt allowing boot camp to see my linux partition where as grub 1 it does
[13:48] <eagles0513875> and 2 on karmic i have no desktop
[13:48] <beans43> need help with sound card http://pastebin.com/m18308cda
[13:48] <eagles0513875> it drops me right into a tty console
[13:50] <arvind_khadri> eagles0513875, use grub 1 then, and did you install server version...
[13:50] <eagles0513875> no used the regular jaunty cd and then upgraded
[13:51] <eagles0513875> jaunty works just fine but these iissues need to be rectified before release though
[13:53] <eagles0513875> it seems like x after upgrading doesnt like my video card or something
[13:53] <eagles0513875> wha tdoesnt makes sense is what changed from jaunty to karmic xserver wise
[13:58] <penguin42> eagles0513875: You're Nvidia aren't you?  If so then you'll need newer Nvidia binary drivers won't you?
[13:59] <eagles0513875> im using whats in karmic repos
[13:59] <eagles0513875> and even wiht the 185 driver installed it still wouldnt work
[14:15] <ripps> Does anybody know why evolution doesn't work with gmail imap anymore?
[14:23] <ripps> Okay this is like the 3rd I've asked... does anybody here know how to deal with evolution problems, and is anybody else experiencing them?
[14:32]  * penguin42 doesn't - I suggest finding a evolution channel ?
[14:38] <raymondjtoth> how i reinstall my sound some how it got uninstalled in ubuntu 9.10
[14:38] <raymondjtoth> ?
[14:41] <raymondjtoth> how i reinstall my sound some how it got uninstalled in ubuntu 9.10
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[14:42] <raymondjtoth> how i reinstall my sound some how it got uninstalled in ubuntu 9.10
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[14:44] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[14:45] <penguin42> Hi BK
[14:45] <BluesKaj> hey penguin42 ...do you run 64bit ?
[14:45] <penguin42> yep
[14:46] <penguin42> why do you ask?
[14:47] <BluesKaj> ok I'm using a nvidia graphics card geforce 7600gt , but the previous driver from the 32 bit version isn't installed..and my glxgears are 1/5 the frame rate
[14:48] <raymondjtoth> how i reinstall my sound some how it got uninstalled in ubuntu 9.10
 ? going to try reinstalling
[14:48] <BluesKaj> google earth is running in emulation mode aka very slow
[14:49] <penguin42> BluesKaj: GE seems to be running OK for me; I'm running Intel graphics though - I'm not sure how 32bit GL apps work on 64bit
[14:50] <penguin42> I'm also not sure if Nvidia is the same or not - they didn't used to use DRI
[14:52] <BluesKaj> penguin42, glxinfo gives DRI as yes
[14:52] <BluesKaj> anyway , guess I have some research to do :)
[14:53] <penguin42> BluesKaj: if you look at /proc/pid/maps for the google-earth where is it getting it's libGL.so from?
[14:54] <penguin42> and does Nvidia install it's own libGL?
[15:06] <pvandewyngaerde_> i am using kubunt karmic,  i see a little envelop in my systray,  what does it mean ?
[15:09] <arand> pvandewyngaerde_: Indicator applet? When using mail/chat it shows you unread messages...
[15:09] <robin0800> arand and irc clients
[15:10] <arand> i.e. chat ;)
[15:10] <pvandewyngaerde_> ok, but it does not do anything if i click on it
[15:10] <pvandewyngaerde_> will it gives me a very small box
[15:11] <robin0800> pvandewyngaerde_: no
[15:11] <penguin42> pvandewyngaerde_: I get the feeling it's still being worked on - it doesn't seem to do much (but there again I don't use a gui mail client)
[15:11] <pvandewyngaerde_> i dont use that to
[15:11] <pvandewyngaerde_> i dont want this
[15:11] <arand> pvandewyngaerde_: if you don't have an app open, it does naught, in jaunty it used to be hidden unless you started a concerned app, but in KK it's been shown constantly (dunno why).
[15:12] <pvandewyngaerde_> also keyboard shortcuts dont work yet
[15:12] <eagles0513875> ahhh penguin42 :(
[15:12] <eagles0513875> turns out the issue im having is xserver related
[15:12] <eagles0513875> as looking in the log there is no mention as to my gpu
[15:13] <eagles0513875> but what makes no sense is what changed from the version in jaunty to karmic
[15:13] <robin0800> penguin42: you can click on a message from irc and as long as the clent is in the notification area it can pop it up
[15:13] <pvandewyngaerde_> i get a segmentation fault for krunner
[15:14] <robin0800> pvandewyngaerde_: if you dock irc client it dosen't work yet
[15:16] <pvandewyngaerde_> hmm. strange things happen here on my computer, brb
[15:23] <sque> hello
[15:23] <sque> I updated karmic today and it broke grub setup
[15:23] <sque> I just booted from installation cd. But I have no idea how to reinstall grub using grub2
[15:24] <sque> can anyone help me?
[15:25] <LLStarks> umm
[15:25] <LLStarks> urgent.
[15:25] <LLStarks> flash player is officially and confirmably broken on karmic.
[15:27] <BluesKaj> LLStarks, I'm using the chromium browser and flash works well
[15:28] <LLStarks> doesn't matter, i have enough people to say you are wrong.
[15:28] <LLStarks> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1265150
[15:28] <BluesKaj> LLStarks, depends on your browser plugin setup
[15:28] <BluesKaj> tried konqueror ?
[15:29] <sque> mine didn't work properly too
[15:29] <sque> nor on firefox neither on chrome
[15:29] <penguin42> LLStarks: I've spent the morning watching youtube and playing crap flash games - so I think it depends on your setup!
[15:29] <LLStarks> why would i use konq?
[15:29] <LLStarks> i hate it.
[15:29] <sque> sometimes it didn't load inside the window and sometimes it didn't get click events
[15:30] <sque> I am running on 64bit kernel
[15:30] <sque> with compiz
[15:30] <eagles0513875> what has replaced xorg
[15:30] <sque> eagles0513875: ?
[15:31] <LLStarks> 32bit
[15:31] <eagles0513875> xorg is no longer in use something else has replaced it and i quote
[15:31] <eagles0513875> quote BluesKaj on this: xorg is gone , dunno what they call the graphics/video system now
[15:31] <BluesKaj> sque, 64 bit here , chromium does the job if you enable plugins
[15:31] <sque> BluesKaj: I have enabled plugins, it is not chromium error it is flash
[15:32] <penguin42> eagles0513875: No, it's still using xorg
[15:32] <BluesKaj> flash works in chromium , but if you won't describe what's happening
[15:32] <sque> BluesKaj: the same behaviour exists on firefox and chromium, which is: It does not load always it has a 50% to not load, a page refresh may workaround it. and if it loads it does not always responds to mouse events
[15:33] <eagles0513875> then i need a newer version penguin42 :(
[15:33] <eagles0513875> do you know if the newer version will support a 9400M video card
[15:33] <penguin42> eagles0513875: Your problem is Nvidia drivers
[15:33] <BluesKaj> penguin42, where is xorg.conf ...doesn't exist on my setup
[15:33] <eagles0513875> neither on my vm
[15:33] <penguin42> BluesKaj: It's not needed - it's automatically detected - you can add an xorg.conf if you want
[15:33] <eagles0513875> whats wrong with the nvidia drivers
[15:33] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I use one for a bit of a weird dual head setup
[15:34] <eagles0513875> for me looking at xorg log it seems like my video card is not supported in the version of xorg in karmic yet it is in jaunty
[15:34] <BluesKaj> penguin42, so it's using kernel modules , which then uses a crappy driver automatically
[15:34] <penguin42> eagles0513875: Because it's nvidia it's probably dependent on the closed source drivers
[15:34] <eagles0513875> i had them installed and still nothing penguin42
[15:35] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Not quite; the kernel modules are used for mode switching only most of the time and some of the render acceleration I think
[15:35] <penguin42> BluesKaj: The only thing that's changed recently is the use of kernel mode switching
[15:35] <penguin42> (oh and use of is it UXA rather than EXA on Intel - or is that the other way...)
[15:36] <BluesKaj> well, it's another mistake cuz my graphics aren't what they should be
[15:36] <LLStarks> penguin42. once again, i disagree. flash shouldn't stop working for multiple people.
[15:36] <LLStarks> *suddenly stop.
[15:36] <penguin42> BluesKaj: That's not because Xorg has gone - Xorg is still there
[15:36] <penguin42> LLStarks: I don't disagree - flash should work; I'm just saying it seems to work for me
[15:37] <LLStarks> it stopped working yesterday for multiple people with different setups
[15:37] <LLStarks> and flash player environments
[15:37] <LLStarks> are you fully upgraded?
[15:38] <BluesKaj> penguin42, I tried installing the previous driver that karmuc 32 bit used and i couldn't login cuz the the kernel source driver was installed with glx-185 ...incompatability i guess.
[15:41] <penguin42> BluesKaj: This nvidia?
[15:41] <pvandewyngaerde_> really beta,  nvidia giving me lots of problems
[15:41] <eagles0513875> this is one nasty bug i have
[15:42] <penguin42> it's normal for the alphas; they use a newer kernel and then the binary closed source drivers have to play catch up
[15:42] <eagles0513875> penguin42: then that brings me to my other question why in the xorg log i dont see my video card listed there as supported
[15:43] <penguin42> eagles0513875: Probably because the closed-source drivers broken in some horrid way - I don't use Nvidias, I've not had to debug them
[15:44] <eagles0513875> penguin42: and upgrading x wouldnt help at all
[15:44] <penguin42> eagles0513875: I doubt it
[15:44] <eagles0513875> this is quite a pressing bug in my honest opinion http://www.myspace.com/jaharveyisbomb
[15:44] <eagles0513875> not that
[15:44] <eagles0513875> this
[15:44] <eagles0513875> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/428887
[15:44] <pvandewyngaerde_> kde4 startup hangs here for like 5 minutes
[15:48] <BluesKaj> penguin42, you're too kind to the devs , xorg.conf may still exist but editing it is quite a useless method to fix a graphics problem
[15:48] <BluesKaj> it was very useful in the past
[15:48] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Oh I agree you shouldn't have to fight an xorg.conf
[15:49] <penguin42> BluesKaj: But this isn't anything new - certainly it's not anything new since Intrepid at least
[15:49] <eagles0513875> hehe funny you mention it BluesKaj haha im reading about the parts of it atm for part 2 of my linux exam
[15:50] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I mean I seem to need it because my monitor won't autorecognise and the Gnome GUI is too dumb to allow you to specify a monitor it can't autodetect
[15:52] <penguin42> BluesKaj: In my case I don't think it's X's problem - and actually the one bit which is X's problem the new kernel mode switching is supposed to be able to help
[15:53] <robin0800> penguin42: Have you tried Xorg -configure
[15:53] <penguin42> robin0800: Yep
[15:53] <penguin42> robin0800: In this case the monitor res isn't correctly being detected by EDID, and I don't know if the problem is the machine or the monitor, but I don't think it's X
[15:55] <robin0800> penguin42: You can disable EDID in the driver? and add correct settings in xorg.conf
[15:56] <penguin42> robin0800: Yeh as I said, I've got the res set in the xorg.conf; the annoying thing is that you have to do it with the xorg.conf - the GUI has no way to specify an arbitrary resolution even though xrandr can do it
[15:57] <robin0800> penguin42: This is still alpha not even beta yet
[15:58] <penguin42> robin0800: Oh yeh - this isn't a Karmic issue - this is longer term and there is nothing looking like anything being done about it
[15:58] <pvandewyngaerde_> its all broken here,   every program crashes,  no sound,  omg
[15:59] <robin0800> penguin42: also on a clean install of Alpha 5 xorg.conf file isn't included
[15:59] <penguin42> robin0800: Yes I know, and it's not needed
[15:59] <robin0800> penguin42: shouldn't! be needed
[16:00] <penguin42> robin0800: Well yeh
[16:02] <robin0800> penguin42: This laptop has gone from EAX to AAX now and if I set EAX it Is Just No Good
[16:09] <BUGabundo> hey
[16:14] <BluesKaj> well, here goes ...trying the xperimental driver
[16:47] <jtholmes> was the karmic installer changed i can no longer kubuntu live cd?
[16:47] <jtholmes> no longer startup the kubuntu live cd
[16:51] <ikonia> sunshinepants: can you look at your part message please "eat poo" isn't really needed is it
[16:52] <sunshinepants> ikonia: version me, I dare you :D
[16:59] <penguin42> is it just me or is the new software update app really slow?
[16:59] <ikonia> sunshinepants: why ? I'm just asking you to change your part message
[17:00] <Tallken> ikonia: he modded the whole strings, he wanted you to see "CTCP-VERSION from sunshinepants: <3."
[17:00] <ikonia> errrr great
[17:01] <sunshinepants> !ot
[17:06] <jtholmes> cant get kubuntu alpha 5 live-cd to boot has squashfs errors during startup any ideas
[17:08] <sunshinepants> jtholmes: x86?
[17:08] <penguin42> any particular errors?
[17:09] <jtholmes> sunshinepants, yes x86
[17:09] <duffydack> um... so the latest daily-live doesnt boot up.
[17:09] <duffydack> from a usb stick I mean...
[17:10] <jtholmes> penguin42, yes starts squashfs then prints casper resyncing ... then give ubuntu login
[17:11] <BUGabundo> ola joaopinto
[17:11] <penguin42> jtholmes: You've tried another CD burn?
[17:12] <joaopinto> oi BUGabundo
[17:12] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, no outro dia querias algo comigo ?
[17:12]  * BUGabundo points joaopinto to # topic
[17:12] <BUGabundo> :)
[17:12] <BUGabundo> ahahaha
[17:12] <jtholmes> penguin42, no but I will, it failed on three diff machines but will try another burner to see what happens thx
[17:12] <joaopinto> ops, wrong chan
[17:13] <penguin42> jtholmes: It's possible it's just a bad burn
[17:13] <jtholmes> penguin42, yes let me try another burner
[17:14] <sunshinepants> jtholmes: you can try to run the iso via virtualbox, too
[17:14] <jtholmes> sunshinepants, yes but i dont have vbox loaded at this time
[17:16] <jtholmes> thx folks
[17:28] <astromme_> Does anyone know what to do when dpkg seems to be hanging when installing a .deb? (linux-headers-2.6.31-10 in specific)
[17:28] <sunshinepants> astromme_: not exactly. dpkg -f --configure may help
[17:29] <penguin42> astromme_: How long have you given it?
[17:29] <shadeslayer> astromme_: happened to me once when i chroot'ed into a system
[17:30] <astromme_> penguin42: I've given it 30 minutes
[17:30] <penguin42> ouch
[17:30] <astromme_> shadeslayer: I'm not chrooted, this is a wubi install though....
[17:30] <astromme_> sunshinepants: ok I'll try that
[17:30] <shadeslayer> astromme_: was just saying.....
[17:30] <astromme_> sunshinepants: erm... "conflicting options"
[17:31] <sunshinepants> oh.. perhaps I meant 'apt-get -f --configure'
[17:31] <astromme_> sunshinepants: 'command line option --configure is not understood'
[17:31] <astromme_> anyways apt-get -f install hangs as well
[17:33] <astromme_> ooh, bad news bears: dpkg: warning: files list file for package `linux-headers-2.6.31-10' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed.
[17:37] <astromme_> ok, I forced a remove of it with dpkg --force-all -r package-name
[17:37] <astromme_> and now it seems to be upgrading, albeit very very slowly. I haven't gotten back to kernel-headers
[17:52] <moreupgrademetho> is karmic safe to upgrade to using do-release-upgrade in terminal for ubuntu 9.04 distro (non-server)?
[17:54] <BUGabundo> moreupgrademetho: hi
[17:54] <BUGabundo> its a Devel release
[17:54] <darkham> hey people, someone are trying the 13-09-2009 daily karmic livecd?
[17:55] <BUGabundo> you can't expect it to be stable
[17:55] <BUGabundo> it can and will break
[17:55] <moreupgrademetho> BUGabundo: im not asking about the stability of the OS, just the upgrade tool
[17:55] <BUGabundo> then yes
[17:55] <BUGabundo> that's one way to upgrade
[17:55] <BUGabundo> $ do-release-upgrade -d
[17:55] <BUGabundo> or with GUI
[17:55] <BUGabundo> update-manager -d
[17:55] <moreupgrademetho> BUGabundo: ok, thanks (the website says only ubuntu server should upgrade that way)
[17:55] <BUGabundo> not true AFAIK
[17:56] <moreupgrademetho> they should put that as a method to upgrade through terminal on the website, not just ubuntu server
[17:58] <darkham> i've some problem with today's daily karmic live, while it's in boot, it opens the cd tray
[17:58] <darkham> and ask me tu pull out
[17:59] <darkham> like like the restart/shutdown
[18:00] <darkham> i boot it more times, in verbose, and i haven't any error message
[18:01] <dean> hmm, using Dust theme in karmic, the top panels font is bolded, how can I set it normal like in jaunty?
[18:01] <Matir> Whenever I try to play audio, all I get is a crackling sound like a geiger counter.  Anyone encounter this before?
[18:01] <dean> the font is set to regular for "applcation" font btw.
[18:03] <Tallken> yuriy: concerning apport-kde: your patch works here; unless your patch is just a workaround and you're tweaking the code somewhere...
[18:05] <Turms> i've just upgraded to karmic, the problem is that gdm starts i identify and afterwards i'm left with a black screen and just an xterm
[18:05] <darkham> plese add a document of changes between daily discs
[18:06] <Tallken> Turms: stupid idea: have you selected Gnome on GDM's session list?
[18:06] <Matir> darkham, the dailies are built by an automated build system with whatever packages happen to be ready at that time
[18:09] <Turms> Tallken: good question! the problem is that gdm starts and presents to me the windows for identifying but i've just the choise for language and keyboard
[18:09]  * penguin42 wonders if there is any automatic test ing of packages or dailies?
[18:10] <Matir> penguin42, my understanding is the daily iso is only tested to see if it built properly and is <700MB
[18:10] <penguin42> Matir: Pity, auto booting in a VM shouldn't be that hard
[18:12] <Ian_Corne> penguin42: No but if it doesn't work, fixing it might not make it daily anymore ;-)
[18:13] <darkham> Matir, developers can't build a document by automated?
[18:13] <Turms> another problem: i cannot see the login prompt in the vc's
[18:13] <yuriy> Tallken: the patch basically works, but it doesn't actually fix the hanging, just avoids it
[18:13] <Matir> darkham, are you looking for a list of packages who have changed since yesterday's build?
[18:13] <Tallken> Turms: probably sth is very wrong and he doesn't know which type of sessions is available. I can't help you. ask again here, the issue is GDM not presenting the menu to select Gnome or KDE. If noone replies, go to the forums; if noone replies, bug report.
[18:14] <darkham> yes Matir
[18:14] <darkham> i know the list of all packages
[18:14] <yuriy> Tallken: thanks for testing
[18:14] <Tallken> yuriy: ah ok. thx for the explanation :)
[18:14] <darkham> al list with only changes would be helpful
[18:14] <Tallken> u welcome :)
[18:14] <Turms> Tallken: i'm fed up with presenting bug reports! i will uninstall the whole X and reinstall it .... if i can have access to the vc's
[18:15] <Tallken> Turms: clean install would be better.
[18:15] <Tallken> Turms: and if you don't report, noone will fix it, speacially if it's a tiny itsy bitsy issue noone else has found
[18:16] <Tallken> Turms: and the absense of access to VTs suggests something else is wrong. Clean install is better.
[18:17] <Tallken> Turms: Karmic tries to set the max resolution on the VTs, maybe it's that.
[18:17] <astromme_> Uh oh, same issue
[18:17] <Tallken> Turms: (in case you don't want to clean install)
[18:17] <astromme_> It gets to linux-headers and fails again....
[18:17] <astromme_> It installed every other package alright. Weird
[18:18] <Turms> Tallken: well, i do not like it! i'have been using debian for the last 11 yrs and i cannot accept that i've to reinstall ubuntu which is debian based
[18:19] <Tallken> Turms: you kinda updated to a alpha version :p
[18:19] <Turms> Tallken: and ok, i'll try with a xorg.conf with max res 800x600
[18:19] <Tallken> Turms: hum? if you can't access VT it isn't in the Xorg
[18:19] <Tallken> Turms: you'll likely have to force something on the grub.cfg like vga=0x343  [random hex here, search for docs]
[18:19] <Turms> Tallken: well, that is another problem which occurred to me in hoary or breeze, i cannot remember
[18:19] <Tallken> Turms: which graphics card do you have ?
[18:20] <Turms> Tallken: nvidia, quite old 400 mx if i'm not mistaken
[18:20] <Turms> Tallken: but in another partition i have squeeze and it works 1280+1024
[18:21] <Turms> Tallken: actually i've just tried using the xorg.conf of squeeze (debian doesn't yet have the xorg.conf empty)
[18:22] <Turms> Tallken: and i tried lowering resolution to 1152x968
[18:23] <Tallken> Turms: ok, maybe I'm confused here, what do you mean by VC ?
[18:25] <Turms> Tallken: virtual consoles
[18:25] <Tallken> Turms: so, you have two different issues
[18:25] <Tallken> Turms: one is GDM not knowing which sessions it has
[18:26] <Turms> Tallken: yes, vc's is the worst
[18:26] <Tallken> Turms: the other is proabably the resolution which is set for the the framebuffer which is used by the VT is too high/incompatible with the graphics card
[18:26] <Tallken> Turms: the VT issue has nothing to do with Xorg nor xorg.conf
[18:26] <Turms> Tallken: yes i know
[18:26] <Tallken> Turms: you'll have to modify the framebuffer resolution
[18:27] <Turms> Tallken: maybe you are right
[18:27] <Tallken> then why the heck were you speaking to me about xorg.conf ?
[18:27] <Tallken> Turms: do note
[18:28] <Tallken> Turms: Karmic uses GRUB 1.96, aka GRUB2. The grub.cfg may not be in the format you're used to: http://www.mepis.org/node/2992
[18:28] <Tallken> Turms: force some lower vga
[18:28] <Tallken> parameter
[18:28] <Tallken> i still recommend at least booting a live CD
[18:28] <Tallken> at least to check the consoles
[18:28] <Tallken> *the VT
[18:28] <Turms> Tallken: well, maybe i misunderstood something you wrote, you  said that resolution could be too high because X tries to use the highest, so i i thought you were speaking about xorg.conf
[18:29] <Tallken> Turms: ah no, I should've been more explicit: the Karmic's kernel tries to use the "native" resolution for the framebuffer and hence the VTs/VCs
[18:30] <Turms> Tallken: well i tried last year grub2 and i found it to be e mess to set up, anyway the grub which is used at starttime is the squeeze one
[18:30] <Tallken> for example my VT is I believe at 1280x800. Can't be sure though since I don't know how to check the resolution
[18:30] <Tallken> but it has a better resolution than ever before
[18:31] <Tallken> [    0.001388] Console: colour VGA+ 80x25
[18:31] <Tallken> [    0.001393] console [tty0] enabled
[18:31] <Tallken> hum
[18:31] <Tallken> don't know
[18:31] <Tallken> it's better than before
[18:31] <Tallken> that, I can say for sure :p
[18:32] <Turms> Tallken: ok, then i'll switch to debian and try to lower the resolution in the grub karmic stanza, thanks
[18:32] <Tallken> you welcome
[18:32] <Tallken> can't be sure that's the issue
[18:32] <Tallken> but probably is
[18:33] <Turms> Tallken: well if i can have the vc's i'm out of the problem
[18:33] <Tallken> good luck
[18:33] <Tallken> will go away now
[18:33] <Turms> i'll unistall x and reinstall it :-D
[18:33] <Tallken> use --purge when uninstalling
[18:33] <Turms> :-D
[18:33] <Tallken> unless you want to keep some setting
[18:33] <Tallken> but it's better to purge old settings
[18:33] <Turms> thanks !
[18:34] <Tallken> ;)
[18:34] <Tallken> u welcome
[18:34] <Tallken> awaying
[18:34] <Tallken> :)
[18:37] <webbb82> ive been thinkin bout installin karmic alpha 5   by now most of the bugs should be gone rite?
[18:40] <BUGabundo> why webbb82?
[18:40] <BUGabundo> alpha 5 is old
[18:40] <BUGabundo> get a daily
[18:41] <BUGabundo> !daily > webbb82
[18:42] <webbb82> thanks
[18:43] <webbb82> is it stable enough
[18:45] <webbb82> when the final is out in october can i just update or woulod i have to do a fresh install
[18:46] <BUGabundo> webbb82: its on 29
[18:46] <BUGabundo> !schedule
[18:46] <BUGabundo> and no, you don't need to reinstall
[18:46] <BUGabundo> just update how often you want, with update manager
[18:47] <webbb82> thanks  one last question.. is there any apps that wont run with karmic or will most anything built for jaunty run in karmic?
[18:48] <plagerism> right now lots wont run. Heh
[18:49] <BUGabundo> ehe
[18:49] <BUGabundo> webbb82: depends
[18:49] <webbb82> so are you guys the ones actually programing karmic?
[18:49] <BUGabundo> if you find any of the archive
[18:49] <BUGabundo> please report on launchpad
[18:49] <BUGabundo> I'm not
[18:49] <BUGabundo> I'm _just_ an alpha tester and user support
[18:50] <webbb82> cool well i realy want to help out also so ill just install then do  reports on anything that i run into
[18:56] <webbb82> lol one of the sides you sent me the download link will take 3 days     the other link takes 10 mins
[18:57] <Tallken> BUGabundo is also an avid Gwibber user :p
[18:57] <BUGabundo> gwibber 1.2
[18:57] <webbb82> gwibber?
[18:58] <Tallken> webbb82: Twitter, Identi.ca, Facebook & others Microblogging tool
[18:58] <Tallken> for Gnome
[18:58] <Tallken> also works on KDE but pulls metacity-common
[18:59] <Tallken> which I really don't want on KDE
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[18:59] <webbb82> oh ya
[18:59] <Tallken> I'm with ChoqoK now :)
[18:59] <Tallken> it's a pitty it just supports Identi.ca & Twitter
[19:00] <Tallken> but better than nothing I suppose
[19:00] <Tallken> and surprisingly stable :D
[19:00] <Tallken> Gwibber sometimes would hang
[19:00] <Tallken> never got around to finding out exactly why
[19:00] <webbb82> whats ur site
[19:00] <Tallken> ?
[19:00] <Tallken> my site
[19:00] <Tallken> ?
[19:00] <Tallken> Identi.ca ?
[19:00] <webbb82> ur blog
[19:01] <webbb82> oh i take it ur using it for twitter or facebook  sorry
[19:01] <Tallken> yes :)
[19:02] <webbb82> identi.ca  never heard of that one
[19:03] <BUGabundo> webbb82: best SN and µblog around
[19:04] <webbb82> im checkin it out rite now
[19:04] <Tallken> webbb82: Identi.ca is a free/libre Twitter clone, with its source code published under AGPLv3
[19:05] <BUGabundo> UI Freeze in place for Karmic
[19:05] <BUGabundo> there we go
[19:06] <BUGabundo>   Membership entitles you to the following benefits:
[19:06] <BUGabundo> +  * Voting privileges to confirm Ubuntu [[CommunityCouncil|Community Council]] nominations.
[19:06] <BUGabundo> cool!!
[19:06] <BUGabundo> finaly something I like to look forward
[19:07] <webbb82> wait membership to what
[19:07] <IdleOne> ubuntu community
[19:07] <IdleOne> BUGabundo: is a big wig :P
[19:07] <webbb82> oh
[19:07] <BUGabundo> !membership | webbb82
[19:07] <webbb82> head honcho
[19:08] <IdleOne> webbb82: anybody can become a member. provided the council approves you
[19:09] <webbb82> so if i were to be reporting bug reports , being active in forums and such
[19:09] <IdleOne> then you get a cool member/ubuntu cloak and a @ubuntu.com email addy and you can vote on certain things and have a say in what goes on in ubuntu and it's direction
[19:09] <IdleOne> webbb82: yup
[19:10] <IdleOne> read that link it gives you all the info
[19:10] <webbb82> oooo neat   i like power
[19:11] <IdleOne> it is not about power
[19:11] <IdleOne> it's about wanting to be a part of something bigger then you and giving back
[19:11] <webbb82> i know lol
[19:12] <webbb82> power is nice though
[19:12] <IdleOne> depends how it is used
[19:12] <webbb82> aahh tooshea
[19:12] <IdleOne> Ubuntu seems to be fair about the way it is used
[19:13] <mostafa_> is there anyone who knows parted magic to back up?
[19:13] <IdleOne> !backup
[19:14] <mostafa_> is there anyone who knows parted magic for back up?
[19:15] <webbb82> mostafa_: maybe you should check out ubuntu channel
[19:16] <mostafa_> webbb82: I check there too but there is no response unfortunately
[19:16] <webbb82> mostafa_: ha i know the feeling
[19:17] <webbb82> pretty discouraging with 1000 people and not one person to help
[19:20] <mostafa_> anybody works with clonezilla for drive imaging?
[19:23] <plagerism> ughh, what broke my systems today?  everything linked agains nvidia-glx is broken(segfaults)
[19:26] <webbb82> i want to join the testing team
[19:26] <webbb82> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testing   this is where rite
[19:35] <Dr[E]aM> i heard alpha 6 is coming out. release date?
[19:35] <mostafa_> anyone know the basic steps of using clonezilla for imaging
[19:35] <mostafa_> ?
[19:35] <Nattgew> Alpha 6 on the 17th
[19:42] <webbb82> im downloading the karmic daily  but i judst looked at the file name and the name is karmic-alernate-i386.iso
[19:44] <Nattgew> I've noticed that the karmic images are all named like that... very helpful when you're downloading different kinds of karmic...
[19:45] <webbb82> ok i just wanted to make sure i downloaded the rite file
[19:45] <plagerism> webb alternative is the none livecd version of the install
[19:45] <plagerism> or at least it used to be
[19:45] <Spike1506> anyone knows if the latest avaible ati drivers work with the latest alpha? i wanna test it but since i have a ati card i would like to know before i gonna test :p
[19:58] <BluesKaj> well, for what it's worth , I managed to find a driver that gives me my old frame rates and DRI+3D acceleration on 64 bit with nvidia geforce 7600 GT , the driver is available at nvidia.com , but one has to stop X  with "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop" , command then sudo ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-185.18.36-pkg2.run , all at the tty prompt
[20:09] <BluesKaj> anyway i copied all this into my CLI cmnds file , for future reference
[20:11] <mac_v> Spike1506: ati here ;) , works better than jaunty \o/
[20:11] <Spike1506> mac_v, with the closed source drivers?
[20:12] <mac_v> just the drivers which come with the system , nothing fancy
[20:12] <mac_v> Spike1506: oh , i use xorg edgers ppa too :p
[20:12]  * Spike1506 needs to closed source ones for 3D.
[20:13] <mac_v> the radeon stuff is still not proper
[20:13] <BluesKaj> well, my graphics went into the toilet after installing 64 bit , some research helped me find the solution
[20:13] <Spike1506> wanna share it BluesKaj?
[20:14] <BluesKaj> Spike1506, read above
[20:15] <Spike1506> ty
[20:15] <Spike1506> bbl now
[20:16] <BluesKaj> Spike1506, if you have a 7 series nvidia card, this driver is the one , NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-185.18.36-pkg2.ru
[20:16]  * Spike1506 has ati
[20:16] <BluesKaj> ru=run
[20:16] <Spike1506> ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3400 Series
[20:16] <Spike1506> OpenGL version string: 2.1.8918
[20:16] <Spike1506> anyways, gota go now, sorry and thanks for the ifno
[20:16] <BluesKaj> so do I but it's an onboard x200 which disabled in the BIOS
[20:17] <wastrel> hi
[20:17] <mac_v> !hi | wastrel
[20:17] <wastrel> my touchpad had 2 finger scrolling in jaunty
[20:18] <wastrel> but in koala i don't have it
[20:19] <mac_v> was set it from the prefs
[20:19] <mac_v> wastrel: ^
[20:19] <wastrel> hrm i had both 2 finger and edge scrolling in jaunty
[20:19] <wastrel> seems i can only set one or the other in koala
[20:20] <mac_v> wastrel: yeah  , everyone is complaining about it :) , now its either or ;p
[20:20] <wastrel> it's horrible ;__;
[20:21] <Mike1> i hope Karmic gets a lot more stable before the release -_-
[20:21] <Mike1> crash manager is my most „used” app :D
[20:22] <plagerism> Okay something between libc6-i686_2.10.1-0ubuntu9_i386 and libc6-i686_2.10.1-0ubuntu11_i386 broke libgl provided by nvidia-glx-18*
[20:24] <jpds> Mike1: Really? Haven't had that many crases there.
[20:24] <jpds> here*
[20:24] <plagerism> I have had lots, but they are generally not show stoppers for me
[20:25] <plagerism> except for this libc6-i686 thing this morning
[20:25] <Mike1> netbook-launcher eats 20% CPU sometimes
[20:25] <Mike1> killing it solves the problem (it somehow automatically restarts)
[20:26] <wastrel> mac_v: thanks for the info.
[20:26] <wastrel> both was better :/
[20:26] <webbb82> im doing the install rite now  do i want to encrypt my home directory??????
[20:26] <Mike1> sometimes „sreadahead“ (why would i need that anyway?) eats 100% after start for some minutes
[20:27] <mac_v> Mike1: yup , mee toooooo
[20:27] <mac_v> thats for every new kernel update
[20:27] <Mike1> oh, good to know
[20:27] <webbb82> so i should enrcypt my home dir
[20:27] <Mike1> but man-page of it says that it’s for SSDs
[20:27] <Nattgew> webbb82 it makes it more secure but it may slow it down a little bit
[20:28] <mac_v> Mike1: its to refresh the files that need to be called during boot
[20:28] <webbb82> Nattgew: im on a aspire one netbook  i need all the power i can get
[20:29] <Nattgew> I haven't encrypted mine, I just have one folder encrypted
[20:29] <webbb82> ok i didnt think so
[20:30] <plagerism> I like the ecryptfs-private
[20:30] <plagerism> I put it in a dropbox share
[20:31] <plagerism> So I have the same encrypted files available wherever I go on all my computers
[20:31] <Nattgew> there's an idea...
[20:31] <wastrel> i will make a bug
[20:33] <David-T> aren't there enough already?
[20:42] <swtaarrs> is there a way to change which mixer channels are controlled by my hardware volume buttons?
[20:42] <swtaarrs> the sound prefs seem to be completely redone and they've lost a lot of functionality in the process
[20:43] <BUGabundo> so nautilus is borked :(
[20:48] <wastrel> gpointing-device-settings
[20:48] <wastrel> ^^^ re-enable 2 finger scroll with edge scroll
[20:48] <wastrel> thanks once again gnome for removing settings
[21:06] <webbb82> having some troubloe getting my broadcom wifi going
[21:07] <Nattgew> webbb82 what kind of card do you have?
[21:08] <webbb82> bcm4312
[21:08] <webbb82> i was in hardware devices and activating the driver and it froze
[21:08] <webbb82> i also tried the other sta one and it did nothing
[21:09] <Nattgew> just the devices window froze?
[21:09] <webbb82> i got it
[21:10] <webbb82> there were two drivers a sta one and another the sta one is working
[21:10] <Nattgew> good... I think I noticed that oo
[21:10] <webbb82> ya thanks thougth, oh and i can tell a differance between this and alpha 5
[21:11] <Nattgew> is that a good thing or a bad thing?
[21:11] <webbb82> nice loggin ubuntu logo thing
[21:11] <Nattgew> with the progress bar?
[21:11] <webbb82> see if there are any system updates
[21:12] <webbb82> what would happebn if i ckecked pre-realeased  updates
[21:13] <webbb82> backports
[21:13] <Nattgew> I'm guessing nothing different...
[21:15] <webbb82> 12 updates available
[21:15] <webbb82> a bash update
[21:18] <webbb82> sorry bout all this chattin but as far as  reporting bug reports is there any software that can help to file bugs
[21:18] <Nattgew> apport tends to automatically come up when things crash
[21:20] <drs305> and if not apport-bug or ubuntu-bug
[21:20] <drs305> Just type it into a terminal.
[21:30] <laz0r> hi, I just accidently changed a bug from Triaged to Fix Commited on Launchpad, and now I can't change it back!
[21:30] <laz0r> maybe someone could take a look?
[21:31] <laz0r> it this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/e2fsprogs/+bug/427822
[21:31] <Ayla> hello
[21:31] <BUGabundo> hey Ayla
[21:31] <Ayla> I found a bug on my karmic amd64
[21:32] <Ayla> http://crapouillou.net/~paul/fuseauhoraire.png
[21:32] <Nattgew> laz0r: Triaged is not an option in that field...
[21:32] <Ayla> that's what I get when I go in the date & hour configuration panel
[21:32] <laz0r> Nattgew: well, i am pretty sure it said triaged
[21:33] <BUGabundo> Ayla: only one ?
[21:33] <BUGabundo> :)
[21:33] <laz0r> i clicked on the triaged field because i wondered if it then would tell what triaged means
[21:33] <Nattgew> laz0r... yeah, I think you're right. you could try #ubuntu-bugs
[21:33] <Ayla> BUGabundo: no, I also have to fsck my main HDD every boot, but that's another story
[21:34] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:34] <Ayla> I think I'll move back to 9.04
[21:35] <BUGabundo> oh why?
[21:35] <Ayla> I installed karmic this morning, I already have lots of bugs
[21:36] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:36] <BUGabundo> well its DEVEL
[21:36] <guntbert> Ayla: what do you expect from an alpha software - except bugs ?
[21:36] <Ayla> heh
[21:37] <Ayla> it's to be released in one month, I through it'd be already quite stable
[21:39] <guntbert> Ayla: make that 7 weeks - and look at the designation ALPHA
[21:39] <laz0r> nobody is answering in #ubuntu-bugs, should i leave a note on the bug that i changed it by accident?
[21:42] <Ayla> guntbert: I know what ALPHA means
[21:42] <Nattgew> laz0r I would wait a bit, if no one answers then yes leave a comment
[21:43] <guntbert> Ayla: :-)  but why were you surprised to find bugs? what else could be the reason to start that version now? (besides curiosity of course :-)
[21:46] <Ayla> guntbert: well, the hour & date panel has been here for years, it's strange it's broken now
[21:48] <guntbert> Ayla: there are several bug reports on that - search on LP for #406211
[21:48] <lia1238> Touchpad tap doesn't work in alpha5. Can anyone with a laptop and touchpad confirm this?
[21:49] <jadams_> hey, whoever else was having problems with flash in karmic
[21:49] <jadams_> arvind_khadri, you were, right?
[21:49] <jadams_> I just did a locate flashplugin
[21:50] <jadams_> and rm'd almost anything I found
[21:50] <jadams_> and started up firefox
[21:50] <jadams_> and it worked flawlessly
[21:50] <arvind_khadri> jadams_, yes
[21:50] <guntbert> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/406211
[21:51] <Nattgew> lia1238 mine has tapped fine
[21:53] <Tallken> hum
[21:53] <Tallken> ?? ipmasq
[21:53] <Tallken> ! ipmasq
[21:53] <lia1238> maybe my wacom affecting my touchpad's tab.
[21:59] <Tallken> ZOMG 503 on ubuntuforums
[22:01] <Tallken> forums are back
[22:01] <Tallken> :p
[22:03] <wastrel> hi
[22:03] <lia1238> How do I install ccsm?
[22:05] <drs305> A more complete settings manager would be: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[22:05] <drs305> Unless you are referring to that, in which case: there ya go.
[22:06] <lia1238> drs305, i tried that, it wasn't found.
[22:06] <lia1238> i tried enabling universe and multiverse
[22:07] <lia1238> W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used.GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/Release
[22:07] <drs305> Yes, it should be in universe. Had the correct spelling/hyphenation?
[22:07] <Nattgew> lia1238 that's just an authentication error
[22:07] <Nattgew> it should find the package fine
[22:08] <Nattgew> try an apt-get update again...
[22:11] <drs305> You can also go into the Repository settings of Synaptic, Authentication tab, untick the ftp authentication and it will ask you the next time you run apt-get update.
[22:13] <drs305> You might be able to overwrite it with this:  sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 437D05B5
[22:35] <BUGabundo> !schedule
[22:42] <arvind_khadri> !gpgerr | drs305
[22:42] <arvind_khadri> drs305, easy to use :)
[22:48] <drs305> hehe
[22:50] <drs305> Of course, each repository has it's own key so the bot entry won't work for others.
[22:57] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/391035
[22:57] <dupondje> still nobody on this one ? :s
[23:14] <nemo> ugh
[23:15] <nemo> some recent change to nvidia completely screwed up my display
[23:15] <nemo> -173 doesn't work at all, with either the .28 or .31 kernels
[23:15] <nemo> but the .185.36 version in the -180 line just crashes on me
[23:16] <nemo> this is with a clean xorg.conf generated by nvidia's config tool
[23:17] <nemo> unfortunately prior versions in the -180 line seem to have been removed :(
[23:17] <nemo> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G72 [GeForce 7300 LE] (rev a1)
[23:21] <nemo> and  dpkg-reconfiger xserver-xorg just exits
[23:21] <nemo> doesn't even try generating a generic xorg.conf for use by nv
[23:23] <W9ZEB-Lars> is the Intel GMA 500 supported by Karmic?
[23:29] <bucky> W9ZEB-Lars, http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=66eb4e88fccc602ac0ac499c87a29f54&t=1253406
[23:34] <W9ZEB-Lars> bucky: thanks for the link.  I had been looking for something like that.
[23:42] <gbs-wes> just did an update and it broke my nvidia drivers :( all that i saw that updated was bash, mysql, and firefox3.5/xulrunner stuff. weird.
[23:43] <gbs-wes> i can't even go back to an old nvidia driver and have it work