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dashuaSiDi, Got it :)00:19
SiDiknome: piiiing00:21
knomeyes?00:21
* dashua is looking at the bluejay code00:22
SiDiits yours00:22
SiDii just began changing stuff in the menu00:22
dashuaHehe, looks familiar00:22
SiDiknome wanna rewrite it all from a murrine gtkrc, but i is too lazy for that00:22
knomehah00:23
knomei don't specifically want to do that, but i think we need options.00:23
knomei want to see what we can achieve with alvaro and then maybe rewrite it.00:23
dashuaCimi just pushed an option to murrine to color the scale and progressbar troughs with bg[ACTIVE]00:24
dashuaLooks pretty nice00:24
SiDii love gtk's consistent use of the style properties for widgets00:24
SiDii think gtk sucks a lot actually :D00:24
SiDi(for theming i mean)00:25
kwwiiSiDi: no documentation about either xsplash or gdm but I can give you all the info once I have it00:25
dashuaIt does, so where the limits are is where it's nice for pixmaps00:25
SiDikwwii: that would be extremely appreciated00:25
kwwiiSiDi: I will have to implement it00:25
knomekwwii, could you please send that information directly to the xubuntu-devel list?00:26
SiDiapparently for gdm we managed to get almost everything themed (apart from the bg) but for xsplash we know nothing00:26
kwwiitrust me, I have all other variants in mind00:26
knomekwwii, i trust you, but it would be damn handy to get it in the mailing list. :)00:26
SiDiyeh00:26
SiDimight help convince cody that xsplash is cool ? :P00:26
kwwiiknome: not sure if I can do that, but I can make it really clear on a lot of lists that it is so ;)00:27
kwwiior, send me an email reminding me to do so ;)00:27
knomeyour mail?00:27
kwwiiI don't have that list in my head00:27
dashuaSiDi, knome: Are you using gnome-brave or elementary for icons?00:28
knomedashua, gnome-brace or humanity.00:28
knome*brave00:28
dashuaOk00:28
knomekwwii, what's your mail addy? :P00:29
kwwiikwwii at ubuntu.com canonical.com sinecera.de bootsplash.org00:29
knomedo you want it in all of those?00:29
knome;)00:29
kwwii:p00:29
knomesent a reminder message00:30
knomedo you want some cron-scheduled once-in-an-hour messages?00:30
knome;)00:30
kwwiiif I mentioned the rest, you would think I like kde more than gnome/ubuntu so I will leave it as is00:31
SiDiknome: the reason #2 for not using gnome-brave is its scalable/apps folder00:31
SiDiwho the *** do they think they are to override exaile and inkscape icons with dinosaur ones ?00:31
knomeSiDi, what was the reason #1?00:31
kwwiiknome: oh, yes...I don't get enough spam as it is00:31
SiDidashua: i definately want to use an humanity based theme00:31
SiDiknome: the fireworks media icons :D00:31
knomekwwii, ;)00:31
kwwiitime for sleep here, you know you to get a hold of me00:32
kwwii :p00:32
knomegood night kenneth00:32
dashuaSiDi, Ok, then elementary right, the blue version of Humanity?00:32
SiDigood night kwwii :)00:32
kwwiinight all00:32
dashuakwwii, Nite.00:32
SiDii think we could use Elementary yeh00:33
SiDiwould avoid an huge recoloring work00:33
SiDiand then add our own icons here & there when needed00:33
SiDiknome: ?00:33
dashuaI was messing with some bluish versions of Alvaro and gnome-carbonite looked really good00:33
dashuaNot blue though, dark grey00:34
dashuaThe folders anyway.00:34
SiDido you have a link ?00:34
SiDigoogle doesnt find it00:34
knomeSiDi, ugh?00:34
knomeSiDi, so elementary is a blue version of humanity?00:34
SiDiknome: Elementary comes from the same author00:35
SiDibut i think he works mostly on humanity now00:35
dashuaHumanity is really an orange version of elementary00:35
kwwiiknome: thanks for the email, I will send the info asap00:35
knomei remember him sending email to the xub devel list after jaunty00:35
knomekwwii, no problem :)00:35
kwwiidashua: exactly00:35
knomewho is he, btw?00:35
* dashua enjoys The Beatles remasters :)00:36
knomedashua, are they significantly better than the original?00:36
SiDiDanRabbit00:37
dashuaOh my, YES!00:37
SiDihe's often in #ayatana00:37
knomedashua, so how to convince my mother on that? :P00:37
dashuaThey sound absolutely incredible00:37
SiDihttp://www.mail-archive.com/xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com/msg06659.html00:37
dashuaThe set comes with the mono versions too00:37
kwwiiknome: to be honest, you should ask martin pitt about the changes00:37
knomegosh00:37
kwwiihe is the one who knows00:37
kwwiipitti is his nick00:37
knomei know00:37
SiDidashua: i thught about the programming language, i was like wtf mono beatles ?00:37
dashuaHaha00:38
kwwiithen again, I work with him, so I can gather the info and get it to you as well00:38
knomedashua, that comment makes me want them.00:38
knomekwwii, well..00:38
kwwiianyway, goodnight00:38
dashuaThey sound really really good00:38
knomenight kwwii00:38
dashuaAnd the integrity is well maintained00:38
knomegosh00:39
knomeit's expensive!00:39
dashuaAmazon has the entire set for $179 USD00:39
knometo be honest, i don't like beatles that much.00:39
knomei like them, but not that much.00:39
knomebut hearing it is really great and knowing it's a collection with *everything* makes me want it00:39
dashuaYou can just grab your favorites too00:40
dashuaSgt. Peppers is a must have00:40
knomei know, but that's not quite the same.00:40
dashuaIt's pretty huge here.  People are raving over it00:40
knomeright.00:40
dashuaThat and the game, which I haven't picked up yet00:41
knomei think i need to convince my mother to buy that *FOR ME*00:41
knome;P00:41
dashuaThat is a great gift.00:41
knomeshe actually asked today if i wanted her to buy me a wii and beatles rock band00:41
dashuaOh nice.00:41
* SiDi whispers the words 'icon theme' discretely00:42
knomeSiDi, no, there is not remastered beatles icon set.00:42
knome*no00:42
dashuaFor the theme, you want to just keep the menubar dark, not the toolbar?00:43
dashuaPretty much Alvaro tweaked out with a Xubuntu appeal and feel to it.00:44
knomeif there is no problems in making the toolbar dark, i don't see why we couldn't do it.00:44
knomedashua, are you subscribed to the xubuntu dev ML so you can send a mail there quickly?00:44
dashuaknome, Not yet.  Let me subscribe.00:45
SiDidashua: we want to do 2 versions00:45
SiDia "light" one with a light panel / title bar to go with our default xfwm00:45
SiDiand a one that is alvaro but in blue00:45
SiDiknome: agree ? :P00:45
knomedashua, okay, great.00:45
knomeSiDi, i have to think about this and digest it first.00:46
knomeSiDi, so the dark one would also have a dark toolbar?00:46
SiDiit would have a light toolbar00:46
SiDijust as alvaro00:46
SiDiits why its an albatross, its black only on the top side :D00:47
knomelet me look again at alvaro00:47
dashuaknome, subscribed00:47
knomedashua, good. we're having this artwork discussion there and if you don't mind, you could take part in it once we start sending more mails about it00:48
knomei want the artwork to work well with the gtk theme00:48
knomeand possibly the alvaro xfwm theme00:48
knomedashua, the archives with all the karmic-artwork related messages is here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2009-September/thread.html00:48
dashuaOk np.00:48
SiDihttp://imagebin.ca/img/1c4yPLw.png00:49
knomeSiDi, can you provide a screenshot where the toolbar is active (eg. it has some text/icons in it)?00:49
SiDihttp://imagebin.ca/img/pS7HEMJ.png00:51
SiDiim not convinced by all elementary icons00:51
knomewhat if it were black? dashua, have you tried that?00:51
knomeme neither00:51
SiDibut i dont like the tango-isme of gnome brave much00:51
SiDiand the elementary icons' shape ROCK00:51
SiDithe update manager icon is so sexy too00:51
knomethat's the reason we were not migrating to elementary right after jaunty despite that mail00:52
SiDiblack toolbars bring more problems with some apps, they mean more maintenance00:52
knomeSiDi, i know.00:52
dashuaHa, that xfwm looks better than the metacity00:52
SiDiand alvaro's light grey toolbar gradient provides a good contrast00:52
SiDidashua: :D00:52
knomewhat about making the toolbar slightly darker?00:52
SiDimight be me who sucks with gtk theming but it looks bad when the grey is darker00:54
knomecan i see ?00:55
dashuaSiDi, Right.00:55
dashuaThe gradients are not as pronounced.00:55
dashuaI already messed with that.00:55
SiDihttp://imagebin.ca/img/BIkp9-1q.png00:57
knomeoh, THAT'S the toolbar00:57
knomeroflmao00:57
knomewhat's the one in the bottom? :P00:57
knome(just make the toolbar as it was)00:58
SiDistatusbar ?00:58
knomeyeah.00:58
knome:D00:58
knomecan we make that dark?00:58
SiDihm, let me see00:58
SiDiwont work very well with gedit and ... exaile01:01
knomelol01:01
knomecan i see? :P01:01
SiDiexaile has planned to switch to a proper GtkStatusBar for 0.3.1 tho01:02
dashuahttp://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/24515/screenshot_qr4zp7.png01:02
knomethat's the bar below statusbar?01:03
knome:)01:03
knomeor ehm01:03
dashuaThat's gnome-carbonite01:03
knomeright01:03
dashuaMatches pretty good with the scrollbar01:03
SiDiI cant find how to colorize the text01:03
knomeSiDi, what if you only make it slightly darker?01:04
dashuahttp://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/24516/screenshot_006_O06J4x.png01:05
dashuaSiDi, knome: This blue too washed?01:05
SiDihttp://imagebin.ca/view/Qei6gOl.html01:06
SiDidashua: see that blue : http://imagebin.ca/img/1c4yPLw.png :D01:06
SiDii love it01:06
SiDiyours is cool too but yeah, i find it too washed01:07
knomeSiDi, less dark01:07
SiDiknome: ?01:07
knomelet me see01:07
knomeSiDi, GOSH NOT YOUR BLUE AT LEAST01:07
knome;)01:07
knomewhere did my inkscape go?01:08
SiDiMeeeeh knome ;P01:08
dashuaSiDi, Real quick.  Why does notify-osd sometimes not display the cover art?01:08
dashuaEven if it there in the player.01:08
dashuait's*01:08
SiDidashua: hm i think it's a NO issue with some files with a particular ratio01:09
knomedashua, i think that blue looks damn good on top of the wallpaper01:09
SiDidashua: you should report, i'll set to confirmed, i had some cases too01:09
SiDiplease provide these covers too :]01:10
dashuaknome, Yeah.  I'm digging this and that is big could I never use blue =/01:10
knomejust a moment01:10
knomei'll export this...01:10
dashuaSiDi, Ok, i'll report it.01:10
knomesome lah01:10
knome*01:10
knome!!01:10
knomeLAG01:10
dashuaSiDi, I think it certain resolutions of pictures that do it.01:11
dashuaHave to pin point it.01:11
SiDihttp://imagebin.ca/view/TdRr6zNO.html01:11
dashuait's*01:11
knomehttp://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/9.10/Mockups/06-hires-withwindow.png01:11
knomeoops, the window is a bit strecthed01:12
knomebut you get the point anyawy01:12
knomeSiDi, ^01:12
knomethe colors really play well togeter01:12
knome+h01:12
SiDiyep, they do01:13
knomedashua, let's keep that color. :)01:13
SiDibtw, knome, do you agree that the navigation icons could be blue, grey, yellow, pink, but definately not green ? :D01:13
knomeno, i can't agree on that01:13
SiDibecause of pink ?01:13
knomebut i'm open to all other opinions also.01:13
knomeno, they can be green also01:14
SiDithat looks weird to me01:14
knomethey can't be purple01:14
knome:P01:14
SiDithere never was green in the palette01:14
knomebut if we make them blue, it's too blue01:14
knomegreen is a damn refreshing thing in that img01:14
knomei like it.01:14
SiDialright, lets say the blue jay hit a tree by accident and kept some leaves attached01:15
knomehaha01:15
knomesure01:15
knome;)01:15
dashuaknome, Ok.01:15
SiDidashua: knome i let you work on the albatross (dark one) then, feel free to set a branch01:15
dashuaI think it matches well with the toolbar gradient01:16
dashuahttp://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/24517/screenshot_007_k6po7P.png01:16
dashuaSiDi, Ok np.01:16
knomedashua, yeah. is that the "default" alvaro toolbar grad?01:16
dashuaYep.01:16
knomein that cropped picture, it looks a bit weird01:16
dashuaYou're not going to get the trough background01:17
dashuaThat is in murrine trunk01:17
knomeyou mean transparent something?01:18
knomeor what do you mean :)01:18
dashuaThe grey background behind the progressbar and scale01:18
knomesorry, i think i am a bit unfocused and somewhat can't changet that thing now :P01:18
knomeoh01:19
knomethat's fine01:19
dashuaOk.01:19
knomei now meant the toolbar as in toolbar. :)01:19
knomethat gradient just looked a bit weird, don't know why01:19
dashuaYeah, I haven't touched that.01:20
dashuaSame as the original01:20
knomeokay01:20
knomeit looks good on the non-cut screenshots though.01:20
knomeSiDi, ?01:20
dashuaOk, yeah it's the same. Just cropped.01:21
knomeyep.01:22
SiDiy?01:22
knomeSiDi, is there anything else we should work on albatross?01:22
knomeor.. whatever01:22
knome:P01:22
SiDion the dark theme01:22
knomewait a minute01:23
SiDilets call them dark / light for now =D01:23
knomewasn't this the dark theme?01:23
SiDiit is01:23
knomeso...01:23
SiDiYeh, well01:23
knomeis there something specific you want us to work on01:23
SiDithe menus01:23
knomewhat's with them?01:23
SiDii dnt like alvaro's menu with just stock blue01:23
SiDibut dunno how it renders with dashua's01:24
knomeblue?01:24
knomewait.. :D01:24
knomedid you have a screenshot of that? :P01:24
SiDino ? :P01:24
SiDidashua: may you screeny your menus please ?01:24
SiDiknome: i also wanna make sure the panel buttons look fine01:24
dashuaSiDi, menu-item issues?01:24
knomedashua, yup.01:24
knomedashua, have you seen the "famous" murrinexubuntu ?01:25
SiDidashua: i dont like the slight gradient (or however it can be called) with the blue i use in my side, it looks too glossy01:25
dashuaHrm no I don't think.01:25
knomedashua, okay.01:25
dashuaAh yeah.  That is easy to fix.01:25
knomein MX, the selected menu is darker than the menubar usually is.01:26
dashuahttp://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/24518/screenshot_5KW3Q4.png01:26
dashuaThat too glossy?01:26
SiDiyeh, it looks like the highlighted item is in 3D01:27
SiDiand i think we need more contrast between bg / text in the menus01:28
SiDiso we would either need quite a dark text  or a less dark menu bg (which wouldnt be as cool)01:28
dashuaOk.  I'll test some possibilities.01:29
knomedashua, wait a sec.01:29
knomedashua, see http://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/9.10/shot_20090913-03:29:16-1.png01:30
knomedashua, i'd love that darker active menu01:30
knomeand i think that's about the effect we want for the selected menu item01:30
knomejust a carefully selected plain color or very near that01:31
dashuaOk.  I have transparency enabled too on my menus.  Let me disable that.01:31
SiDiknome: for the dark variant i definately want an unified dark xfwm :/01:32
SiDiif you have an inactive window having just the title bar black, in the middle, brings the eye's attention much01:32
SiDiand it lacks elegance01:32
knomei think we already agreed we want the default theme to have the default xfce xfwm and that the default theme would be the dark theme? :P01:33
SiDiknome: i cant allow that sorry :]01:35
knomeSiDi, then i must pull your nose until "you" "allow" it ;)01:35
SiDiif the titlebar is dark then the window decoration must be too, for active/inactive windows01:35
knomeSiDi, who's your marketing lead? ;]]01:35
SiDiknome: i will have to suicide if you release it as it is01:35
knomehaha.01:35
SiDifor the sake of mental health ! :P01:36
knomewe must look at that.01:36
SiDiimagine a very nice garden, with a cool set of bright flowers and plants, and, there, in the middle, a *****in telephone cabine01:36
dashuahttp://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/24522/screenshot_1_1F7L2G.png01:36
knomeSiDi, yummy!01:36
SiDithats exactly the feeling i get with the dark titlebar + bright window border01:37
knomethe titlebar is not exactly "bright" ...01:37
dashuaDark fg[PRELIGHT] looks better than white01:37
SiDidashua: great01:37
SiDiCan you please try to put roundness 2 and remove the highlight shade completely ?01:38
dashuaYeah01:38
knomedashua, can the applications text be still white, even if it is selected?01:38
dashuaYeah, this is just for menu-items01:39
knomeokay, so let it be white01:40
SiDi_the title bar ?01:41
knomelet it be, let it be, oh let it be01:41
knomespeaking words of wisdom, let it be01:41
knomeSiDi_, the applications menu text when the menu is open01:41
dashuaHa01:41
SiDi_okies01:43
SiDi_knome: im not against default xfwm but then we need to set the inactive windows to use a dark color too01:43
SiDi_and i think it breaks one of this xfwm's features01:44
knomeSiDi_, okay.01:44
knomehmm?01:44
knomewhich one then01:44
SiDi_because with bright title bars it looks great to have those active / inactive borders different01:44
SiDi_its just not as easy with dark themes :D01:44
knomeseriously.01:44
knomei think what we have now has worked like a charm.01:45
knomecan't the inactive menubar be a little lighter?01:45
knomerather than adjusting the titlebar01:45
SiDi_damn why do all these widgets have similar names ?01:46
SiDi_you cant control the gtk theme depending on whether windows are focused, knome01:46
knome>__<01:46
SiDi_and if we make it lighter then the theme really isnt dark anymore :P and the blackness of the window borders with this theme will then look weird :D01:47
knomeif somebody writes a patch for gtk, can we do it?01:47
knome:P01:47
SiDi_no01:47
SiDi_:P01:47
SiDi_that kind of patch wouldnt be accepted imo01:47
knomewe of course would upload our own version into xubuntu01:47
SiDi_i dont think metacity and xfwm both use the proper FD.o way for knowing whether apps are focused or not01:48
knomethey should be patched then as well01:48
SiDi_your own version of gtk ? :D huh01:48
SiDi_if we ask for _that_, they'll kick our asses badly imo ^^01:48
SiDi_hi Cimi01:48
Cimihi01:48
knomeSiDi_, what if i like people kicking me arese?01:49
knome-e01:49
SiDi_knome: the problem of that patch is that it would probably require to design the correct way to do it, which would pull in all the current issues with gtk theming : completely incoherence of use of NORMAL / ACTIVE / SELECTED, etc, between widgets01:49
SiDi_they wont let us double the number of use cases just for that imo :P01:50
SiDi_knome: ask your wife, damn it01:50
knomeno, really?01:50
knomeshe's sleeping :P01:50
knomewhat if i like... men kicking my arse?01:50
SiDi_Why is your xfwm theme blue btw ?01:51
SiDi_mine is black with default xfwm and albatross theme selected01:51
knomemeh01:52
SiDi_hm sorry dashua knome but im leaving you guys here01:52
knomelol :D01:52
SiDi_im too tired, my eyes begin to hurt x_x01:52
knomelet's continue tomorrow then.01:52
knome:)01:52
SiDi_dont forget to branch that stuff done so far :)01:52
knomedashua, ^01:52
SiDi_good night everyone01:53
dashuaSiDi_, Np :)01:53
knomenight SiDi :D01:53
Cimijawn01:56
dashuaSiDi_, knome: Test branch pushed :)02:03
knomegreat02:04
knomei will soon fade into bed :P02:04
knomegood night!02:09
dashuaNite02:20
FLOZzHello all  _o/08:27
mac_vdashua: i dont see the music covers art too , this happens for some songs10:31
ckontrosmac_v: Since you've been following this "Place an Ubuntu icon/emblem on the system partition" discussion, can you send an email to the list with the details for Breathe to follow the new developments?12:55
ckontros ie: What are the new names for icons? I see "drive-harddisk-root" but from the chat there seems to be other icons that have been chatted about. Correct?12:55
mac_vckontros: right now , no final decision seems to have been taken , its basically a name what we have proposed right now , will try to get Walton to ping in on this :)12:56
ckontrosmac_v: Ok. With the current chat about a patch seemed like we were gonna maintain it 'till upstream took it.12:57
mac_vckontros: nah ,its been pushed it since its in Papercuts , we have a lot of those just unfinished , so we are just trying to push things along ;)13:02
SiDi_dashua: heya13:09
SiDi_when you open alvaro's menu in twf, the scroll arrows on top and bottom are light grey when insensitive13:09
SiDi_bg[INSENSITIVE] = "#2A2925" in style menu can fix that13:09
SiDi_and with the same color for fg insensitive you dont see the arrow :D13:09
dashuaSiDi_, Thx, try that last push.13:27
SiDi_i pushed it to the alvaro branch btw13:29
dashuaOk cool13:30
dashuahttp://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/24552/screenshot_008_2uwB6w.png13:30
dashuaStill looks good orange :)13:30
dashuaYou can pretty much change it to any color and it maintains versatility13:31
dashuahttp://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/24555/screenshot_009_5yoiVH.png13:35
dashuaWe can bring Powder back =/13:35
SiDi_wow13:43
dashuaSiDi_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/270270/13:46
dashuaSee if that is better.13:46
dashuaCommit was lost =/13:46
SiDi_http://paste.ubuntu.com/270271/13:48
SiDi_dashua: this is hwat i have now13:48
dashuaOk, delete the style "menu" you have in that paste and copy/paste the other13:50
dashuaSee if that is better for you.13:50
SiDi_damn13:51
SiDi_it works well13:51
dashuaOk good.13:52
SiDi_i'ld just add this      fg[INSENSITIVE] = "#302F2C"13:53
SiDi_so the scroll arrow doesnt appear if you're on top / bottom13:53
dashuaOk cool.  Looks good.13:54
dashuaHow do the changes look so far?13:55
SiDi_great13:58
SiDi_i think the gtk theme's ready13:58
SiDi_now gotta work on the icons :x13:58
dashuaWhat are you going to use?13:58
SiDi_i dont know13:59
SiDi_probably something elementary based13:59
dashuaI thought that looked nice.13:59
* SiDi_ is now watching a movie, see you later13:59
SiDi_me too13:59
dashuaPz13:59
SiDi_but some icons need to be refreshed13:59
SiDidashua: ping15:34
SiDiknome: ping²15:35
SiDiˇ~ˇ15:35
knomemöh16:07
knome;)16:07
FLOZzHello all  _o/21:39

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