[00:19] SiDi, Got it :) [00:21] knome: piiiing [00:21] yes? [00:22] * dashua is looking at the bluejay code [00:22] its yours [00:22] i just began changing stuff in the menu [00:22] Hehe, looks familiar [00:22] knome wanna rewrite it all from a murrine gtkrc, but i is too lazy for that [00:23] hah [00:23] i don't specifically want to do that, but i think we need options. [00:23] i want to see what we can achieve with alvaro and then maybe rewrite it. [00:24] Cimi just pushed an option to murrine to color the scale and progressbar troughs with bg[ACTIVE] [00:24] Looks pretty nice [00:24] i love gtk's consistent use of the style properties for widgets [00:24] i think gtk sucks a lot actually :D [00:25] (for theming i mean) [00:25] SiDi: no documentation about either xsplash or gdm but I can give you all the info once I have it [00:25] It does, so where the limits are is where it's nice for pixmaps [00:25] kwwii: that would be extremely appreciated [00:25] SiDi: I will have to implement it [00:26] kwwii, could you please send that information directly to the xubuntu-devel list? [00:26] apparently for gdm we managed to get almost everything themed (apart from the bg) but for xsplash we know nothing [00:26] trust me, I have all other variants in mind [00:26] kwwii, i trust you, but it would be damn handy to get it in the mailing list. :) [00:26] yeh [00:26] might help convince cody that xsplash is cool ? :P [00:27] knome: not sure if I can do that, but I can make it really clear on a lot of lists that it is so ;) [00:27] or, send me an email reminding me to do so ;) [00:27] your mail? [00:27] I don't have that list in my head [00:28] SiDi, knome: Are you using gnome-brave or elementary for icons? [00:28] dashua, gnome-brace or humanity. [00:28] *brave [00:28] Ok [00:29] kwwii, what's your mail addy? :P [00:29] kwwii at ubuntu.com canonical.com sinecera.de bootsplash.org [00:29] do you want it in all of those? [00:29] ;) [00:29] :p [00:30] sent a reminder message [00:30] do you want some cron-scheduled once-in-an-hour messages? [00:30] ;) [00:31] if I mentioned the rest, you would think I like kde more than gnome/ubuntu so I will leave it as is [00:31] knome: the reason #2 for not using gnome-brave is its scalable/apps folder [00:31] who the *** do they think they are to override exaile and inkscape icons with dinosaur ones ? [00:31] SiDi, what was the reason #1? [00:31] knome: oh, yes...I don't get enough spam as it is [00:31] dashua: i definately want to use an humanity based theme [00:31] knome: the fireworks media icons :D [00:31] kwwii, ;) [00:32] time for sleep here, you know you to get a hold of me [00:32] :p [00:32] good night kenneth [00:32] SiDi, Ok, then elementary right, the blue version of Humanity? [00:32] good night kwwii :) [00:32] night all [00:32] kwwii, Nite. [00:33] i think we could use Elementary yeh [00:33] would avoid an huge recoloring work [00:33] and then add our own icons here & there when needed [00:33] knome: ? [00:33] I was messing with some bluish versions of Alvaro and gnome-carbonite looked really good [00:34] Not blue though, dark grey [00:34] The folders anyway. [00:34] do you have a link ? [00:34] google doesnt find it [00:34] SiDi, ugh? [00:34] SiDi, so elementary is a blue version of humanity? [00:35] knome: Elementary comes from the same author [00:35] but i think he works mostly on humanity now [00:35] Humanity is really an orange version of elementary [00:35] knome: thanks for the email, I will send the info asap [00:35] i remember him sending email to the xub devel list after jaunty [00:35] kwwii, no problem :) [00:35] dashua: exactly [00:35] who is he, btw? [00:36] * dashua enjoys The Beatles remasters :) [00:36] dashua, are they significantly better than the original? [00:37] DanRabbit [00:37] Oh my, YES! [00:37] he's often in #ayatana [00:37] dashua, so how to convince my mother on that? :P [00:37] They sound absolutely incredible [00:37] http://www.mail-archive.com/xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com/msg06659.html [00:37] The set comes with the mono versions too [00:37] knome: to be honest, you should ask martin pitt about the changes [00:37] gosh [00:37] he is the one who knows [00:37] pitti is his nick [00:37] i know [00:37] dashua: i thught about the programming language, i was like wtf mono beatles ? [00:38] Haha [00:38] then again, I work with him, so I can gather the info and get it to you as well [00:38] dashua, that comment makes me want them. [00:38] kwwii, well.. [00:38] anyway, goodnight [00:38] They sound really really good [00:38] night kwwii [00:38] And the integrity is well maintained [00:39] gosh [00:39] it's expensive! [00:39] Amazon has the entire set for $179 USD [00:39] to be honest, i don't like beatles that much. [00:39] i like them, but not that much. [00:39] but hearing it is really great and knowing it's a collection with *everything* makes me want it [00:40] You can just grab your favorites too [00:40] Sgt. Peppers is a must have [00:40] i know, but that's not quite the same. [00:40] It's pretty huge here. People are raving over it [00:40] right. [00:41] That and the game, which I haven't picked up yet [00:41] i think i need to convince my mother to buy that *FOR ME* [00:41] ;P [00:41] That is a great gift. [00:41] she actually asked today if i wanted her to buy me a wii and beatles rock band [00:41] Oh nice. [00:42] * SiDi whispers the words 'icon theme' discretely [00:42] SiDi, no, there is not remastered beatles icon set. [00:42] *no [00:43] For the theme, you want to just keep the menubar dark, not the toolbar? [00:44] Pretty much Alvaro tweaked out with a Xubuntu appeal and feel to it. [00:44] if there is no problems in making the toolbar dark, i don't see why we couldn't do it. [00:44] dashua, are you subscribed to the xubuntu dev ML so you can send a mail there quickly? [00:45] knome, Not yet. Let me subscribe. [00:45] dashua: we want to do 2 versions [00:45] a "light" one with a light panel / title bar to go with our default xfwm [00:45] and a one that is alvaro but in blue [00:45] knome: agree ? :P [00:45] dashua, okay, great. [00:46] SiDi, i have to think about this and digest it first. [00:46] SiDi, so the dark one would also have a dark toolbar? [00:46] it would have a light toolbar [00:46] just as alvaro [00:47] its why its an albatross, its black only on the top side :D [00:47] let me look again at alvaro [00:47] knome, subscribed [00:48] dashua, good. we're having this artwork discussion there and if you don't mind, you could take part in it once we start sending more mails about it [00:48] i want the artwork to work well with the gtk theme [00:48] and possibly the alvaro xfwm theme [00:48] dashua, the archives with all the karmic-artwork related messages is here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2009-September/thread.html [00:48] Ok np. [00:49] http://imagebin.ca/img/1c4yPLw.png [00:49] SiDi, can you provide a screenshot where the toolbar is active (eg. it has some text/icons in it)? [00:51] http://imagebin.ca/img/pS7HEMJ.png [00:51] im not convinced by all elementary icons [00:51] what if it were black? dashua, have you tried that? [00:51] me neither [00:51] but i dont like the tango-isme of gnome brave much [00:51] and the elementary icons' shape ROCK [00:51] the update manager icon is so sexy too [00:52] that's the reason we were not migrating to elementary right after jaunty despite that mail [00:52] black toolbars bring more problems with some apps, they mean more maintenance [00:52] SiDi, i know. [00:52] Ha, that xfwm looks better than the metacity [00:52] and alvaro's light grey toolbar gradient provides a good contrast [00:52] dashua: :D [00:52] what about making the toolbar slightly darker? [00:54] might be me who sucks with gtk theming but it looks bad when the grey is darker [00:55] can i see ? [00:55] SiDi, Right. [00:55] The gradients are not as pronounced. [00:55] I already messed with that. [00:57] http://imagebin.ca/img/BIkp9-1q.png [00:57] oh, THAT'S the toolbar [00:57] roflmao [00:57] what's the one in the bottom? :P [00:58] (just make the toolbar as it was) [00:58] statusbar ? [00:58] yeah. [00:58] :D [00:58] can we make that dark? [00:58] hm, let me see [01:01] wont work very well with gedit and ... exaile [01:01] lol [01:01] can i see? :P [01:02] exaile has planned to switch to a proper GtkStatusBar for 0.3.1 tho [01:02] http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/24515/screenshot_qr4zp7.png [01:03] that's the bar below statusbar? [01:03] :) [01:03] or ehm [01:03] That's gnome-carbonite [01:03] right [01:03] Matches pretty good with the scrollbar [01:03] I cant find how to colorize the text [01:04] SiDi, what if you only make it slightly darker? [01:05] http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/24516/screenshot_006_O06J4x.png [01:05] SiDi, knome: This blue too washed? [01:06] http://imagebin.ca/view/Qei6gOl.html [01:06] dashua: see that blue : http://imagebin.ca/img/1c4yPLw.png :D [01:06] i love it [01:07] yours is cool too but yeah, i find it too washed [01:07] SiDi, less dark [01:07] knome: ? [01:07] let me see [01:07] SiDi, GOSH NOT YOUR BLUE AT LEAST [01:07] ;) [01:08] where did my inkscape go? [01:08] Meeeeh knome ;P [01:08] SiDi, Real quick. Why does notify-osd sometimes not display the cover art? [01:08] Even if it there in the player. [01:08] it's* [01:09] dashua: hm i think it's a NO issue with some files with a particular ratio [01:09] dashua, i think that blue looks damn good on top of the wallpaper [01:09] dashua: you should report, i'll set to confirmed, i had some cases too [01:10] please provide these covers too :] [01:10] knome, Yeah. I'm digging this and that is big could I never use blue =/ [01:10] just a moment [01:10] i'll export this... [01:10] SiDi, Ok, i'll report it. [01:10] some lah [01:10] * [01:10] !! [01:10] LAG [01:11] SiDi, I think it certain resolutions of pictures that do it. [01:11] Have to pin point it. [01:11] http://imagebin.ca/view/TdRr6zNO.html [01:11] it's* [01:11] http://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/9.10/Mockups/06-hires-withwindow.png [01:12] oops, the window is a bit strecthed [01:12] but you get the point anyawy [01:12] SiDi, ^ [01:12] the colors really play well togeter [01:12] +h [01:13] yep, they do [01:13] dashua, let's keep that color. :) [01:13] btw, knome, do you agree that the navigation icons could be blue, grey, yellow, pink, but definately not green ? :D [01:13] no, i can't agree on that [01:13] because of pink ? [01:13] but i'm open to all other opinions also. [01:14] no, they can be green also [01:14] that looks weird to me [01:14] they can't be purple [01:14] :P [01:14] there never was green in the palette [01:14] but if we make them blue, it's too blue [01:14] green is a damn refreshing thing in that img [01:14] i like it. [01:15] alright, lets say the blue jay hit a tree by accident and kept some leaves attached [01:15] haha [01:15] sure [01:15] ;) [01:15] knome, Ok. [01:15] dashua: knome i let you work on the albatross (dark one) then, feel free to set a branch [01:16] I think it matches well with the toolbar gradient [01:16] http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/24517/screenshot_007_k6po7P.png [01:16] SiDi, Ok np. [01:16] dashua, yeah. is that the "default" alvaro toolbar grad? [01:16] Yep. [01:16] in that cropped picture, it looks a bit weird [01:17] You're not going to get the trough background [01:17] That is in murrine trunk [01:18] you mean transparent something? [01:18] or what do you mean :) [01:18] The grey background behind the progressbar and scale [01:18] sorry, i think i am a bit unfocused and somewhat can't changet that thing now :P [01:19] oh [01:19] that's fine [01:19] Ok. [01:19] i now meant the toolbar as in toolbar. :) [01:19] that gradient just looked a bit weird, don't know why [01:20] Yeah, I haven't touched that. [01:20] Same as the original [01:20] okay [01:20] it looks good on the non-cut screenshots though. [01:20] SiDi, ? [01:21] Ok, yeah it's the same. Just cropped. [01:22] yep. [01:22] y? [01:22] SiDi, is there anything else we should work on albatross? [01:22] or.. whatever [01:22] :P [01:22] on the dark theme [01:23] wait a minute [01:23] lets call them dark / light for now =D [01:23] wasn't this the dark theme? [01:23] it is [01:23] so... [01:23] Yeh, well [01:23] is there something specific you want us to work on [01:23] the menus [01:23] what's with them? [01:23] i dnt like alvaro's menu with just stock blue [01:24] but dunno how it renders with dashua's [01:24] blue? [01:24] wait.. :D [01:24] did you have a screenshot of that? :P [01:24] no ? :P [01:24] dashua: may you screeny your menus please ? [01:24] knome: i also wanna make sure the panel buttons look fine [01:24] SiDi, menu-item issues? [01:24] dashua, yup. [01:25] dashua, have you seen the "famous" murrinexubuntu ? [01:25] dashua: i dont like the slight gradient (or however it can be called) with the blue i use in my side, it looks too glossy [01:25] Hrm no I don't think. [01:25] dashua, okay. [01:25] Ah yeah. That is easy to fix. [01:26] in MX, the selected menu is darker than the menubar usually is. [01:26] http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/24518/screenshot_5KW3Q4.png [01:26] That too glossy? [01:27] yeh, it looks like the highlighted item is in 3D [01:28] and i think we need more contrast between bg / text in the menus [01:28] so we would either need quite a dark text or a less dark menu bg (which wouldnt be as cool) [01:29] Ok. I'll test some possibilities. [01:29] dashua, wait a sec. [01:30] dashua, see http://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/9.10/shot_20090913-03:29:16-1.png [01:30] dashua, i'd love that darker active menu [01:30] and i think that's about the effect we want for the selected menu item [01:31] just a carefully selected plain color or very near that [01:31] Ok. I have transparency enabled too on my menus. Let me disable that. [01:32] knome: for the dark variant i definately want an unified dark xfwm :/ [01:32] if you have an inactive window having just the title bar black, in the middle, brings the eye's attention much [01:32] and it lacks elegance [01:33] i think we already agreed we want the default theme to have the default xfce xfwm and that the default theme would be the dark theme? :P [01:35] knome: i cant allow that sorry :] [01:35] SiDi, then i must pull your nose until "you" "allow" it ;) [01:35] if the titlebar is dark then the window decoration must be too, for active/inactive windows [01:35] SiDi, who's your marketing lead? ;]] [01:35] knome: i will have to suicide if you release it as it is [01:35] haha. [01:36] for the sake of mental health ! :P [01:36] we must look at that. [01:36] imagine a very nice garden, with a cool set of bright flowers and plants, and, there, in the middle, a *****in telephone cabine [01:36] http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/24522/screenshot_1_1F7L2G.png [01:36] SiDi, yummy! [01:37] thats exactly the feeling i get with the dark titlebar + bright window border [01:37] the titlebar is not exactly "bright" ... [01:37] Dark fg[PRELIGHT] looks better than white [01:37] dashua: great [01:38] Can you please try to put roundness 2 and remove the highlight shade completely ? [01:38] Yeah [01:38] dashua, can the applications text be still white, even if it is selected? [01:39] Yeah, this is just for menu-items [01:40] okay, so let it be white [01:41] the title bar ? [01:41] let it be, let it be, oh let it be [01:41] speaking words of wisdom, let it be [01:41] SiDi_, the applications menu text when the menu is open [01:41] Ha [01:43] okies [01:43] knome: im not against default xfwm but then we need to set the inactive windows to use a dark color too [01:44] and i think it breaks one of this xfwm's features [01:44] SiDi_, okay. [01:44] hmm? [01:44] which one then [01:44] because with bright title bars it looks great to have those active / inactive borders different [01:44] its just not as easy with dark themes :D [01:44] seriously. [01:45] i think what we have now has worked like a charm. [01:45] can't the inactive menubar be a little lighter? [01:45] rather than adjusting the titlebar [01:46] damn why do all these widgets have similar names ? [01:46] you cant control the gtk theme depending on whether windows are focused, knome [01:46] >__< [01:47] and if we make it lighter then the theme really isnt dark anymore :P and the blackness of the window borders with this theme will then look weird :D [01:47] if somebody writes a patch for gtk, can we do it? [01:47] :P [01:47] no [01:47] :P [01:47] that kind of patch wouldnt be accepted imo [01:47] we of course would upload our own version into xubuntu [01:48] i dont think metacity and xfwm both use the proper FD.o way for knowing whether apps are focused or not [01:48] they should be patched then as well [01:48] your own version of gtk ? :D huh [01:48] if we ask for _that_, they'll kick our asses badly imo ^^ [01:48] hi Cimi [01:48] hi [01:49] SiDi_, what if i like people kicking me arese? [01:49] -e [01:49] knome: the problem of that patch is that it would probably require to design the correct way to do it, which would pull in all the current issues with gtk theming : completely incoherence of use of NORMAL / ACTIVE / SELECTED, etc, between widgets [01:50] they wont let us double the number of use cases just for that imo :P [01:50] knome: ask your wife, damn it [01:50] no, really? [01:50] she's sleeping :P [01:50] what if i like... men kicking my arse? [01:51] Why is your xfwm theme blue btw ? [01:51] mine is black with default xfwm and albatross theme selected [01:52] meh [01:52] hm sorry dashua knome but im leaving you guys here [01:52] lol :D [01:52] im too tired, my eyes begin to hurt x_x [01:52] let's continue tomorrow then. [01:52] :) [01:52] dont forget to branch that stuff done so far :) [01:52] dashua, ^ [01:53] good night everyone [01:53] SiDi_, Np :) [01:53] night SiDi :D [01:56] jawn [02:03] SiDi_, knome: Test branch pushed :) [02:04] great [02:04] i will soon fade into bed :P [02:09] good night! [02:20] Nite [08:27] Hello all _o/ [10:31] dashua: i dont see the music covers art too , this happens for some songs [12:55] mac_v: Since you've been following this "Place an Ubuntu icon/emblem on the system partition" discussion, can you send an email to the list with the details for Breathe to follow the new developments? [12:55] ie: What are the new names for icons? I see "drive-harddisk-root" but from the chat there seems to be other icons that have been chatted about. Correct? [12:56] ckontros: right now , no final decision seems to have been taken , its basically a name what we have proposed right now , will try to get Walton to ping in on this :) [12:57] mac_v: Ok. With the current chat about a patch seemed like we were gonna maintain it 'till upstream took it. [13:02] ckontros: nah ,its been pushed it since its in Papercuts , we have a lot of those just unfinished , so we are just trying to push things along ;) [13:09] dashua: heya [13:09] when you open alvaro's menu in twf, the scroll arrows on top and bottom are light grey when insensitive [13:09] bg[INSENSITIVE] = "#2A2925" in style menu can fix that [13:09] and with the same color for fg insensitive you dont see the arrow :D [13:27] SiDi_, Thx, try that last push. [13:29] i pushed it to the alvaro branch btw [13:30] Ok cool [13:30] http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/24552/screenshot_008_2uwB6w.png [13:30] Still looks good orange :) [13:31] You can pretty much change it to any color and it maintains versatility [13:35] http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/24555/screenshot_009_5yoiVH.png [13:35] We can bring Powder back =/ [13:43] wow [13:46] SiDi_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/270270/ [13:46] See if that is better. [13:46] Commit was lost =/ [13:48] http://paste.ubuntu.com/270271/ [13:48] dashua: this is hwat i have now [13:50] Ok, delete the style "menu" you have in that paste and copy/paste the other [13:50] See if that is better for you. [13:51] damn [13:51] it works well [13:52] Ok good. [13:53] i'ld just add this fg[INSENSITIVE] = "#302F2C" [13:53] so the scroll arrow doesnt appear if you're on top / bottom [13:54] Ok cool. Looks good. [13:55] How do the changes look so far? [13:58] great [13:58] i think the gtk theme's ready [13:58] now gotta work on the icons :x [13:58] What are you going to use? [13:59] i dont know [13:59] probably something elementary based [13:59] I thought that looked nice. [13:59] * SiDi_ is now watching a movie, see you later [13:59] me too [13:59] Pz [13:59] but some icons need to be refreshed [15:34] dashua: ping [15:35] knome: ping² [15:35] ˇ~ˇ [16:07] möh [16:07] ;) [21:39] Hello all _o/