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shtylmanis amarok broken currently?00:25
crimsunit is in my experience00:26
crimsunafter an upgrade of amarok, you'll need to log out of KDE and back in, else amarok is really, really crippled00:27
crimsune.g., expanding the spinners for local music results in nothing, and dragging and dropping to playlist column results in nothing00:27
yuriySime_: does bug 403361 look like a problem in the bindings to you or in Qt? (or in the application?)01:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 403361 in python-qt4 "apport-kde crashed with SIGSEGV in QWidgetPrivate::deleteExtra()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40336101:19
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ryanakcaOooh, Kubuntu was mentioned on slashdot a few days ago01:57
ryanakcashtylman: feel like emailing me your shadedborder.js ? I can't seem to get them to work here...02:14
shtylmanemail02:15
shtylmanryanakca: ^02:15
shtylmanryanakca: I sent to your gmail02:16
ScottKryanakca: Link?for ./02:17
spstarrhmm02:20
* spstarr feels demotivated right now :/02:20
ryanakcaScottK: It was just in passing, http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/09/08/1729258/Does-Your-College-Or-University-Support-Linux02:20
ryanakcashtylman: thanks02:20
shtylmannp02:21
ryanakcashtylman: Awesomeness, it works, I'll make another fix to the theme and start prodding the sysadmins, Many thanks :d02:29
ryanakca:D02:29
shtylmanryanakca: cool :)02:30
ScottKNCommander: python-qt4 uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.03:53
NCommanderScottK, NP04:00
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* apachelogger blinks09:03
apacheloggerrgreening wrote a manpage manually09:03
apacheloggerand not even in docbook :S09:03
apacheloggerTonio_: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+junk/release-script-refactor ./networkmanager.rb -b trunk --no-stat --no-doc --no-tag09:24
Tonio_apachelogger: what did you change in it ?09:26
apacheloggermake it usable for plasma applets in playground :P09:27
* apachelogger is wondering what the story with rgreening's 09:27
Tonio_apachelogger: and what's this script-refactor ?09:27
* apachelogger continues wondering ...l10n stuff in usb-creator is09:27
apacheloggerTonio_: superior design of the extragear-release-script09:28
apacheloggeralthough, not superior to the design I mastered up in my head which is going to be refactor2 after which that crap will go to kdesdk so I can stop refactoring09:28
Tonio_hehe ok09:29
Tonio_apachelogger: that's great news indeed09:29
apacheloggerso09:29
Tonio_apachelogger: any plans packaging ?09:29
apacheloggerI need rgreening09:29
apacheloggerpackaging the script>09:29
apachelogger?09:29
Tonio_apachelogger: packaging networkmanager :)09:29
apacheloggerno09:29
apacheloggerI just implemented the scripting, you take care of the packaging :P09:29
apacheloggerthough I would think that you should just stick to what we have09:30
Tonio_apachelogger: yup :)09:30
apacheloggerbecause honest to god, 2 source packages renames in one cycle seems to be two too many09:30
apacheloggeruha09:31
apacheloggeroha09:31
Tonio_apachelogger: happened twice ? I can only recall from one plasma-widget-network-manager to networkmanagement09:31
apacheloggerrgreening's l10n stuff is wicked09:31
Tonio_that's it09:31
apacheloggerbut nifty09:31
apacheloggerTonio_: hm, still one too many :P09:31
Tonio_apachelogger: I tend to agree09:31
* apachelogger happened to think it was something in between09:31
apacheloggeroh well09:32
Tonio_apachelogger: I'll use this to package then09:32
Tonio_thanks for the tip09:32
* apachelogger pokes usb-creator with a goostick09:32
Tonio_apachelogger: and thanks for the good work :)09:32
RiddellI still have usb-creator i18n on my todo09:32
apacheloggerRiddell: what is the story?09:32
apacheloggerrgreenings messages.sh seems just fine09:32
apacheloggeractually one would need to remove stuff :D09:33
Riddellapachelogger: I don't know, I've not looked at it09:34
apacheloggerI'll give it a shot09:35
apacheloggerthough I must say the UI is horribly disabled09:35
apacheloggeralso, last time I mentioned devicekit I have been told it is quite the WIP09:35
Riddelldon't tell that to gnome, they're all ported to it09:36
apacheloggeroh wellz poor gnomies09:37
apacheloggerbroken audio and broken hardware handling could turn out bad :P09:37
RiddellI've not heard of any problems from them09:38
apacheloggerthere wasn't much complaint about pulse while development either, but in release...09:39
apacheloggerRiddell: out of the top of our head, is there a way to override the desktop file pot creation?09:39
Riddelloverride what about it?09:39
Riddellexport KUBUNTU_DESKTOP_POT=foo  will set it to foo.pot09:39
apacheloggernot creating it09:40
apacheloggerRiddell: should have some option for that09:40
Riddellwhat's the need?09:40
* apachelogger hooks into cdbs and removes the file after creation09:40
apacheloggerRiddell: rgreening apparently wants to maintain one pot file ... so he merges the one created from Messages.sh with the regular one and desktop file is handled by the generic python stuff to begin with09:41
apacheloggerso there is no use for desktop_.pot09:41
Riddellah09:42
* apachelogger tries09:42
jussi01Hrm, I thought the network manager in karmic had been fixed...09:59
* jussi01 goes to find the bug again...09:59
jussi01hrm, I have this issuer, but on the NM icon in the systray (whatever is being used in karmic) https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/knetworkmanager/+bug/40430910:07
apacheloggermeh10:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 404309 in plasma-widget-network-manager "network manager plasmoid connects but shows "disconnected" icon" [Low,Fix released]10:07
apacheloggerpython is a PITA10:07
jussi01apachelogger: aawwww.... there there :)10:07
apacheloggersrsly it is10:07
apacheloggerewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww10:13
apacheloggerwhy does the only hooking example for pydistutils I found look like I dont want to read it?10:14
apacheloggerhttp://i.loveruby.net/en/projects/setup/doc/devel.html10:15
apacheloggerthat is how hooking should be done10:15
* apachelogger continues googling10:15
apacheloggerRiddell: I give up10:54
apacheloggerwaste of time10:54
Riddellshtylman: did you merge in the slideshow?11:08
Riddellneversfelde: did you package the new koffice beta?11:17
Riddellnixternal: how do I set up the QA questionnaire website?11:18
ryanakcashtylman, Riddell: Wiki theme updated, changes: shtylman's JS fix (fixes the table of contents, header lines, etc.), I moved the links on the editbar to the left so that there isn't a massive gap between the hide/show tab and the links, and the rounded container now moves down when the editbar is shown so that it doesn't get hidden.12:24
Riddellryanakca: updated on the live site?12:24
* ryanakca nods12:24
* ryanakca sighs, or maybe not. According to the sysadmins, it is, but I don't see the changes here12:26
Riddellno I don't either12:29
ryanakcaRiddell: Anyways, I've asked the sysadmins about it, no reply yet, but I need to catch the bus to school. It might just be a massive cache length or something of the sort. I'll prod them some more tonight...12:29
ryanakcaIf you have the inclination, you can ask the "vanguard" in their channel about it... Cheers :)12:30
neversfeldeRiddell: yes, it is in staging, but Jaunty packages are still untested12:46
neversfeldekarmic worked for me and a few others12:46
Riddellgreat, I'll test on jaunty when I'm done patching 15 different versions of kdepim12:49
neversfeldehehe12:50
neversfeldeRiddell: I think I can find some Jaunty testers12:50
neversfeldeapachelogger: shouldn't the kubuntu-firefox-installer install firefox with --no-install-recommends? I saw some people complaining about installing all the recommended packages yesterday12:58
apacheloggerright12:59
apacheloggerso they shall complain12:59
apacheloggerthe recommends are recommends for a very good reason, for the better part of them the reason is desktop integration12:59
apacheloggerso I rather have them moan about how big fat and bloated the firefox install is than firefox not working because mimetypes are messed up etc.13:00
neversfeldeapachelogger: it installs synaptik afair13:00
apacheloggershouldn't as soon as master asac makes it recommend apturl|apturl-kde13:00
apacheloggerwhere the latter is by default on the CD13:00
neversfeldemhh13:01
* apachelogger stuffs all screensavers in Visit to Flatland13:02
apacheloggerkde rev 1023278 :D13:04
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=1023278&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 102327813:04
Riddellthat ubottu command would really benefit from showing the changelog too13:04
apacheloggermight not yet be available13:04
apacheloggerjust committed13:04
JontheEchidnakde svn 900013:04
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=9000&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 9000 | cleanups and ignoring13:04
JontheEchidnaah, that'd be it then13:04
apacheloggerkde rev 1023278 :D13:05
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=1023278&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 1023278 | * Add script to update hacks * Update template file for KDE 4 * Add new desktop files as per xscreensaver 5.0813:05
apacheloggeryay13:05
* apachelogger shoots kdeartwork bug13:08
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: bug 310352 needs upstreaming I suppose13:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 310352 in kdeartwork "kscreensaver does not respect SimulateUserActivity dbus method" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31035213:11
apacheloggerI think we should drop kick kpackage13:16
apacheloggerI dont feel like triaging bugs for that thing13:16
JontheEchidna+1, we have also drop-kicked pieces of crap like knetworkconf13:17
JontheEchidnaalso, upstreaming13:17
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: to debian or KDE?13:18
* apachelogger is wondering if kpackage does just not work on dpkg or in general13:18
apacheloggercause if in general we should either poke the maintainer or in the eye13:18
apacheloggeror, which is more likely, there aint is no maintainer which means it should go away anyway13:18
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: I'm upstreaming SimulateUserActivity to KDE, sorry for the topic switch13:19
apacheloggeroh :D13:19
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: well, while you are at it, also upstream the kick drop of kpackage :P13:19
apacheloggershould raise that topic on kde-devel list I suppose13:20
JontheEchidnaI actually saw something in regards to that on the ml13:20
JontheEchidnathey say that once kpackagekit gets moved into admin they'll drop-kick kpackage13:20
apacheloggerwell, that makes sense13:20
apacheloggerbut13:20
apacheloggerwhy have it remain there :P13:21
JontheEchidnamaybe it sucks less for rpm?13:21
* JontheEchidna is just making random guesses at this point13:21
apacheloggerI know it once worked back in my suse days13:22
apacheloggernot all that well, but it worked13:22
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: also, KDE insists on being source distributor so they should not include any binary package management GUI13:22
apacheloggerbe it kpk or kpackage or adept13:22
apacheloggerIMHO13:22
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: maybe we should also boot kuser ... is userconfig in yet?13:27
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: userconfig is on the cd, and I think kuser has been relegated to the DVD13:28
JontheEchidnasince it has LDAP magics13:28
apacheloggeroh13:28
apacheloggerso we probably shoud fix0r it a bit13:28
* apachelogger is wondering how such a small app can have so many source files13:29
Sputwhat, you don't follow the "one file per function" rule?13:30
apacheloggermore like one file per line13:30
apacheloggerhm13:30
apachelogger  if (copyskel->isChecked())13:30
apachelogger  {13:30
apachelogger    mNewUser.setCopySkel(true);13:30
apachelogger  }13:30
apacheloggerbug 37940613:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 379406 in kdeadmin "kuser ignores /etc/skel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37940613:31
apacheloggerI really do not get that13:31
apacheloggerif the user decides to not have a skel then kuser will not copy skel it seems13:31
Riddellhi rgreening13:32
Riddellrgreening: what's the status of usb-creator i18n?13:33
* apachelogger recommends that rgreening migrates from i18n() to _() and let python sort the pot creation13:33
rgreeninghey Riddell13:33
rgreeningI opened a bug, cause there was a piece broken with the intltool (according to pitti13:34
rgreeningHaven't heard anything back on the bug.13:34
rgreeningapachelogger: It does for the most part. Problem is how do I do _ with the .ui file... can't that I know of13:34
rgreeningor maybe someone can help me13:34
rgreeningcause I am not well versed oin the translations thing.13:35
rgreeningRiddell or apachelogger: maybe you could download the 0.2.5 source and have a look?13:35
rgreeningor better yet, get the latest in bzr?13:35
rgreeninglp:usb-creator13:35
apacheloggerI did earlier today13:35
apacheloggerui extractions should work just fine13:36
apacheloggertake a look at one of the other ported apps13:36
apacheloggerubiquity for example13:36
rgreeningapachelogger: ubiquity does something strange like walk the xml tree and parse it I believe. way too complex.13:36
apacheloggerwell language-selector then13:36
rgreeningthis SHOULD be trivial13:36
apacheloggeror software-properties KDE13:37
apacheloggerotherwise just don't use strings in the UI file13:37
Riddellthose apps don't use strings in the .ui file13:37
rgreeninghah13:37
apacheloggerwell13:37
apacheloggerconvert the UI to py13:37
* JontheEchidna predicts a lot of setText() in rgreening's future13:37
rgreeningI refuse to do that.13:37
rgreeningthis SHOULD just work!13:37
rgreening:)13:37
rgreeninghah13:37
apacheloggerwell, replace pydistutils with cmake13:38
rgreeningwhat would that do to the gtk frontend?13:38
rgreeningsame package...13:38
apacheloggernothing13:38
rgreeninghmm....13:38
apacheloggercmake is UI agnostic :P13:38
rgreeningand why would cmake work better here?13:39
apacheloggerbecause you can hook into it without having to shoot a bunny13:39
apacheloggeroh13:40
apacheloggerthough13:40
apacheloggerhm13:40
apacheloggerhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm13:40
apacheloggerrgreening: beatup the whole system13:40
apacheloggerenhance your Messages.sh to create all the pot13:40
apacheloggeri.e. replace the whole build_i18n foo from setup.py with Messages.sh, that way you don't have to fiddle with pot merging and run into the problem that the GNOME pot gets generated after the KDE one and thus overwriting it13:41
rgreeningapachelogger: that's exactly my problem... merging them13:42
rgreeninghmm....13:42
neversfeldeRiddell: I found two Jaunty testers, they had no problem with installing koffice.kde4 from staging. So I think we can copy over to beta backports?13:42
Riddellneversfelde: groovy, go for it13:42
rgreeningI'll talk to evand and see about taking your suggestion into practice apachelogger13:42
rgreeningbtw: bug 427358 Riddell and apachelogger was the one I was referring to earlier13:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 427358 in python-distutils-extra "extracting strings from KDE *.ui files to the POT doesn't work, and needs intltool support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42735813:43
rgreeningIf pitti can fix that, then I do not need to do anything with Messages.sh nor worry about merging. :)  python-distutils-extra is supposed to handle (according to pitti) but he claims something is missing/broken with intltool.13:46
Riddellwell it has no support for Qt .ui files13:46
apacheloggerhorrid python insanity13:47
apacheloggerusb-creator needs to be reimplemented in cpp13:47
apacheloggeror java, mhhh java, then it can also be used on android13:47
RiddellI don't think it's a python issue, it's just what happens when you mix gtk and qt13:47
apacheloggerRiddell: GTK and Qt are both supported by gettext13:48
neversfelderyanakca: would you announce the koffice packages? Same procedure as last time, but it is beta2 now.13:48
apacheloggerso to me it seems that something else must be the problem13:48
Riddellapachelogger: but in different ways13:48
Riddellneversfelde, ryanakca: not yet13:48
Riddellit's not released until tomorrow13:48
Riddellapachelogger: the problem is they have different ways of extracting and accessing the gettext translations13:49
neversfeldeRiddell: ok, did not know it13:49
Riddellnothing language specific about it13:49
neversfelderyanakca: so forget it until tomorrow :)13:49
apacheloggerRiddell: that is to be handled by xgettext13:49
Riddellapachelogger: nope, it's handled by intltool on gnome and the various scripts on KDE13:50
apacheloggerthe scripts on KDE do nothing else than invoke xgettext13:50
Riddellintltool likewise, but they're still different tools13:50
apacheloggerso intltool is dumb and silly?13:51
apacheloggerI mean, with the KDE scripts you would go like: write Messages.sh that includes a special xgettext line for gtk extraction(or use intltool I suppose) then run extract-messages.sh; done13:52
Riddellintltool is too clever, it just works without you having to write scripts.  of course if you have something it doesn't support it needs extra love13:54
apacheloggerI rather copy n paste scripts than run against walls from time to time13:54
apacheloggerbug 37939913:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 379399 in kdeadmin "kuser ignores umask when creating homedirs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37939913:56
apacheloggeruser requests removal or rewrite of kuser13:56
apacheloggerrecommended actions anyone?13:56
ScottKIt's not part of the default install anymore.  "Fix Released"13:56
apacheloggerwell13:57
apacheloggerit still violates policy13:57
ScottKAgreed.  Bug should be upstreamed.13:57
apacheloggerScottK: to debian?13:57
ScottKIt's a packaging bug?13:57
Riddellto KDE I'd have thought, who should fix it by switching to userconf13:57
apacheloggerit's a debian integration bug13:57
Riddellyuriy: what's the issue with getting userconf in KDE 4.4?13:58
apacheloggerIMHO that has nothing to do with KDE13:58
jussi01WHy not drop it? like we did with other "non-debian" tools (webmin for instance)13:58
RiddellI don't think umasks are specific to Debian distros?13:58
apacheloggerRiddell: no, the user is complaining that it does not follow the debian default config13:58
apacheloggerand that it violates the policy by manually editing stuff13:58
apacheloggerjussi01: LDAP support is has13:59
jussi01apachelogger: come again?13:59
Riddellrgreening: catalogue   = "usb-creator-kde"  presumably that needs changed?13:59
apacheloggerjussi01: userconfig aint got no ldap support, kuser does14:00
jussi01ahh14:00
rgreeningRiddell: oh.. hmm.. could be one issue...14:00
Riddellrgreening: fixing14:00
apacheloggerScottK, Riddell: the only solution other than removing kuser would be to make it support plugable backends and create one for debian that collects all settings and then executes adduser14:01
rgreeningRiddell: is catalogue the same as "domain" for translations in the gtk/gnome gettext world?14:01
apacheloggeror patch kuser14:01
apacheloggerthough if we go there we could as well implement multiple backends14:01
ScottKAsk upstream to make it more plug-able....14:01
apacheloggeris there even an upstream?14:01
ScottKkuser is part of kdeadmin14:02
JontheEchidnanot in my experience14:02
JontheEchidnaupstream is quite dead14:02
apacheloggerScottK: I doubt asking the kdeadmin maintainter would help14:02
JontheEchidnano significant code changes in almost a year (something like 8 months)14:03
ScottKEven safer to upstream.  No risk of them saying "No.  You fix it."14:03
rgreeningRiddell: does the desktop file also need a line like: X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=usbcreator for kde? or does that catalogue line do that?14:03
Riddellrgreening: it'll need that X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain= line14:03
rgreeningok. that's there already. just wondered if it needed something else.14:04
rgreeningso, the catlalogue then is supposed to be the same as the gettext domain? Riddell?14:04
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: bug 379399 if you feel like it :)14:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 379399 in kdeadmin "kuser ignores umask when creating homedirs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37939914:06
apacheloggeroh14:07
rgreeninghmm... who committed their .bzr-builddeb to usb-creator :)14:07
apacheloggerrgreening: me14:07
rgreeningand kateconfig?14:07
apacheloggersilly reported reports duplication14:07
apacheloggerrgreening: aye14:07
rgreeninglol14:07
rgreeningcare to clean? :)14:07
rgreeningthanks for the fixes btw apachelogger... :)14:08
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: bug 379397 it is14:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 379397 in kdeadmin "kuser is violating debian policy" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37939714:08
apacheloggerrgreening: clean?14:08
apacheloggerrgreening: that is intentional14:08
rgreeningapachelogger: huh?14:08
apachelogger2 spaces indent is less than common round here14:09
rgreeningapachelogger: those whouldn't be part of the source tree14:09
apacheloggerand .bzr-builddeb is necessary to merge the freaking tree14:09
apacheloggerrgreening: bzr builddeb14:09
rgreeningthey should be in your local tree only.14:09
rgreeningnot committed14:09
apacheloggerrgreening: well remove them if you think so14:09
rgreeningcreate but dont bzr add them14:10
rgreeninglol14:10
rgreeningit has nothing to do with the source :)14:10
rgreeninghaha14:10
apacheloggerrgreening: the manpage does not either :P14:10
apacheloggeractuall a kateconfig got more to do with the source than the manpage14:10
apacheloggeranyway14:10
rgreeningapachelogger: its debian policy :)14:10
apacheloggerI am not even particularly sure that .kateconfig is included in the tar14:11
apacheloggerrgreening: report a bug I'll upstream :P14:11
rgreeninglol14:11
rgreeningand circle back to me14:11
rgreeninghaha14:11
apacheloggerrgreening: I could move the .kateconfig to each file in the KDE dir14:13
rgreeningI could buy a plane ticket to europe, track you down and introduce you to my LART L)14:13
apacheloggerI suppose that would make the policy happy, otherwise I suppose we should file mass removal requests due to policy violation on packages containing vim config tags for example :P14:13
apacheloggerkubotu: lart rgreening14:13
rgreeninglol14:13
apacheloggermust be turned off :(14:14
rgreeninghah14:14
apacheloggerkubotu: help config14:14
kubotuconfig module - bot configuration. usage: list, desc, get, set, unset, add, rm14:14
apacheloggerkubotu: config list14:14
kubotumodules: rss, twitter, irc, http, keyword, core, nickserv, auth, encoding, lastfm, log, debug, translator, seen, server, markov, remote, rejoin, send, irclog, factoids, ri, wikipedia, salut, chanserv, greet, plugins, wheelfortune, host, google, autoop14:14
apacheloggerkubotu: config list plugins14:14
kubotuplugins.blacklist, plugins.whitelist, plugins.path14:14
apacheloggerkubotu: config get plugins.blacklist14:14
kubotuplugins.blacklist: azgame, chucknorris, deepthoughts, delicious, dice, digg, forecast, fortune, freshmeat, geoip, imdb, insult, math, roulette, slashdot, spell, theyfightcrime, threat, wheeloffortune, youtube, quiz, dictclient, dict, realm, grouphug, bash, cal, weather, rot, hl2, wow, lart, tube, url, remotectl, linkbot, babel, figlet, debug14:14
apacheloggerkubotu: config rm lart from plugins.blacklist14:15
kubotuplugins.blacklist: azgame, chucknorris, deepthoughts, delicious, dice, digg, forecast, fortune, freshmeat, geoip, imdb, insult, math, roulette, slashdot, spell, theyfightcrime, threat, wheeloffortune, youtube, quiz, dictclient, dict, realm, grouphug, bash, cal, weather, rot, hl2, wow, tube, url, remotectl, linkbot, babel, figlet, debug14:15
kubotuthis config change will take effect on the next rescan14:15
apacheloggerkubotu: rescan14:15
kubotusaving ...14:15
kuboturescanning ...14:15
kubotudone. 10 core modules loaded; 48 plugins loaded; 33 plugins ignored; 1 plugin failed to load14:15
apacheloggerkubotu: lart rgreening14:15
* kubotu puts "alias vim=emacs" in rgreening's /etc/profile14:15
rgreeningnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!14:15
apacheloggerOo14:15
apacheloggerevil14:15
rgreeningI need an exorcism now14:15
apacheloggerat least that14:16
apacheloggervrms would be proud though14:16
rgreeningor maybe its exorcise?14:16
apacheloggerwho knows14:16
rgreeninglike jogging14:16
rgreeninghaha14:16
* apachelogger notes that usb-creator only creates valid bootors every once in a while14:16
pgquilesI'm having trouble updating a stock Jaunty (KDE 4.2.2) to KDE 4.3.1 from kubuntu-ppa/{backports,staging}. Problem is in the KDE 4.2.2 packages /usr/lib/kconf_update_bin/krdb_clearlibrarypath used to be in kdebase-worksapce-libs4+5 but in KDE 4.3.x it's in kdebase-workspace-bin and aptitude thinks the that file is in both packages. Should I open a bugreport ?14:19
apacheloggerneversfelde: ^^ please fix0r14:20
neversfeldeI can have a look at it this evening14:21
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: do we need a postinst for konsole calling update-alternatives x-terminal-emulator? bug 42861614:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 428616 in kdebase ""failsafe" login fails because konsole_4.3.1-0ubuntu1 lacks postinst script with 'update-alternatives' for x-terminal-emulator" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42861614:21
pgquilesneversfelde: thank you14:21
* apachelogger fixes karmic meanwhile14:21
JontheEchidnayou are the alternatives master after all ;-)14:22
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I think we did not reach a conclusion on that topic14:22
apacheloggerthe thing is14:22
neversfeldepgquiles: would you send me a mail to neversfelde at kubuntu org, so that I do not forget?14:22
pgquilesneversfelde: of cours14:22
pgquilese14:22
neversfeldethank you14:22
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: at the point where your login fails it is likely that konsole will not start either14:22
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: so that would indicate xterm14:23
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: the only other case that would cause inlogability is kdm failing which would also disallow failsaving14:23
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: so I would tend towards actually using xterm and not x-terminal-emulator14:23
apacheloggersince xterm will be unaffected from kdelibs b0rkage in either case14:24
JontheEchidnasounds logical14:24
JontheEchidna~order tea, earl grey, hot14:24
* kubotu is replicating a hot cup of earl grey for captain JontheEchidna.14:24
rgreeningapachelogger: the usb-creator doen't make kubuntu specific boot keys! It could be eubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu, etc... regardless of using the gtk or kde fe. thats whay it's generic ubuntu in the descrion :)14:29
apacheloggerneversfelde, pgquiles: fixed for jaunty, just needs to be backported14:30
neversfeldefor Jaunty?14:30
apacheloggerrgreening: and you expect the user to know that Kubuntu is part of Ubuntu and that Ubuntu is actually also a project and not just a system?14:30
* JontheEchidna is puzzled at bugs like bug 42562614:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 425626 in kdepim "korganizer crashed with SIGSEGV in KCmdLineArgs::count()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42562614:31
rgreeningapachelogger: you assume the use will only create kubuntu with kde fe?14:31
apacheloggerneversfelde: eh, for karmic :D14:31
neversfeldek, I will backport it later14:31
JontheEchidnabug 35598014:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 355980 in kdepim "kmail crashes in KCmdLineArgs::count() on startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35598014:31
apacheloggerrgreening: I think that a user using KDE will much more likely know Kubuntu being a project than Ubuntu being a super project to Kubuntu14:32
ScottKNCommander: Looks like amarok could use some help on armel: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/2:2.1.80-0ubuntu1/+build/1239943/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-armel.amarok_2:2.1.80-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz14:32
rgreeningapachelogger: this sounds better no... This is a simple utility designed to make bootable USB desktop images from14:32
rgreening Ubuntu CDs (including Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc).14:32
apacheloggerwhy not write from CDs?14:33
pgquilesapachelogger: thank you. Are you doing the backport?14:33
apacheloggerlike CDs in general14:33
apacheloggerpgquiles: neversfelde will I suppose14:33
pgquilesok14:33
* rgreening inserts RUsh CD and attempts to make it bootable...14:34
rgreeningnope...14:34
neversfeldeyep, he will :)14:34
apacheloggerrgreening: CDs based on the Ubuntu foundations stack using the Ubuntu CD building mechanism14:34
ScottKapachelogger: Some of the ISOs in question aren't CD size (our netbook one for example)14:34
JontheEchidnaRush as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_(band) ?14:34
rgreeningok, that's way more archaic14:34
rgreeningya14:34
rgreeningRush rules. Canadian legends of rock14:35
JontheEchidnagood band, a classic14:35
rgreeningYYZ!14:35
apacheloggerrgreening: well, either you go straight for what the user knows or you explain in detail what works and what does not14:35
* ScottK saw them live in concert back when.14:35
apacheloggerand ScottK got a point14:35
JontheEchidnaSubdivisions is a personal fav of mine14:35
apacheloggerCD/DVD images based on the Ubuntu foundations stack, created using the Ubuntu CD building meachanism14:35
ScottKIIRC that was the concert where the person next to me got thrown up on by the person in the row behind them.14:35
JontheEchidnaMy parents went to one of those when I was really little. Prob. at the Nissan Pavilion in Virginia14:36
rgreeningapachelogger: This is a simple utility designed to make bootable USB desktop images from14:36
rgreening Ubuntu CD's and ISO's (including alternatives like Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc).14:36
JontheEchidnaThey have a Test for Echo T-shirt from the concert14:37
apacheloggerrgreening: nah nah, Kubuntu and Xubuntu are built on teh cdimage server arent they14:37
rgreening?14:37
ScottKrgreening: We aren't alternatives to anything.14:37
apacheloggerthat makes it appear is if only those built there are supported14:37
apacheloggerwhich is wrong14:37
apacheloggerrgreening: also, can one really do that from CDs?14:38
rgreeningok, fsck.. I am going back to what I started with, Ubuntu14:38
apacheloggerI find that a bad idea14:38
rgreeningtoo bad14:38
apacheloggeryou know what happens when I find something bad, right? :P14:38
apacheloggerRiddell: btw, please triages bugs for kopete_facebook14:38
rgreeningI rap you on the knuckles14:39
* ScottK figures the odds of a Canadian following through on threats of violence are low.14:40
apacheloggerwell you know14:41
apacheloggerthe description should state somewhere that it is not working14:41
apacheloggerkeep users informed14:41
* rgreening believes someone is just being verrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy fn difficult this fine monday14:42
rgreeningfile a bug14:42
apacheloggernah14:43
apacheloggerdont care14:43
Riddellapachelogger: I have looking at updating the version of that on my todo14:43
rgreeningthere are some issues with recent iso's and not usb-creator. I believe the isos have an issue.14:43
apacheloggerRiddell: ok, I only noticed a couple of problems, works quite well otherwise, so if we get those fixed we should be good to go14:43
rgreeningtrying an earlier iso would prove/disprove that14:43
apacheloggerrgreening: the backend never worked14:43
rgreeningapachelogger: what error?14:44
apacheloggerno14:44
apacheloggerimage is broken14:44
apacheloggerafter a couple of runs it magically starts working14:44
rgreeningapachelogger: what did /tmp/usb-creator.log show?14:44
SputScottK: now, if apachelogger as an Austrian would making threats of violence, however...14:44
ScottKMaybe if I was Lichtenstein.14:45
apacheloggeraustrians dont do threats14:45
apacheloggerrgreening: dunno, already rebooted14:45
apacheloggerrgreening: now I am getting a boot error14:46
apacheloggerwell14:46
rgreeningapachelogger: well, if you can re-produce, then grab that log file and batpaste it somewhere for me14:46
apacheloggerscratch it14:46
* apachelogger burns CD14:46
apacheloggerrgreening: I aint got no working systme currently14:46
apacheloggerneed to get that back on ASAP14:46
rgreeningIm testing with older iso's now...14:47
Riddellrgreening: successfully running in xx locale http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/usbcreator.png14:56
Riddellrgreening: it's further complicated by running as root14:57
rgreeningRiddell: evand is working on policykit integration to remove kdesudo... so presumably that would correct14:58
Riddelloh nice14:58
rgreeningya14:58
rgreeningRiddell: so, the pots merged fine with your changes?14:58
Riddellrgreening: yes, that'll go into launchpad, people will translate, langpacks will come along with the right strings, it's all good15:01
rgreeningawesome. ty ty ty ty ty for helping15:01
JontheEchidnargreening: if you get polkit down, jockey-kde and userconfig need some policykit love15:02
JontheEchidnaif you feel like it, implementing polkit support in those would be great15:03
JontheEchidnabbiab15:03
rgreeningsure, np15:04
rgreeningJontheEchidna: http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2008/10/22/adminkit-001/15:14
seeleTonio moved, didn't he? does he still live in Paris?15:45
ScottKseele: He's in Canada now.  I don't know of it's permanent or not.15:46
seeleScottK: seriously? Montreal?15:46
ScottKI think so.15:46
JontheEchidnascore another one for the North American comment!15:47
JontheEchidnaer, continent15:47
JontheEchidnacomment... ha15:47
Riddellapachelogger: your videos don't show up on planet, you may want to add a comment to your blog for planet readers15:56
apacheloggerRiddell: add a note, cheers15:59
siegiekubuntu karmic: knetworkmanager seems to crash everytime, my laptops resume's from standby.16:27
siegieis this a know bug?16:28
Riddellsiegie: try this fresh snapshot http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/plasma-widget-networkmanagement_0.1~svn1023224-0ubuntu1_i386.deb16:30
siegieRiddell: Thanks but do you also have a 64 bit version?16:31
Riddellsiegie: no although with any luck I'll upload it to the archives shortly16:32
siegiethx, for the info16:33
RiddellJontheEchidna: I've added a -dbg package to plasma-widget-networkmanagement16:37
JontheEchidnathe new snapshot should fix the resume crash16:38
* ScottK notices kdepim and evolution building on adjacent armel buildd's and wonders if it's a sign of the apocalypse?17:24
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rgreeningRiddell: I've cleaned up much of the translations in usb-creator now to match existing strings in the po files (i.e. grom the gtk version). So, when new version comes out, we should be in much better shape for translations.18:55
rgreening\o/18:56
rgreeningRiddell: ty for helping earlier.18:56
* ScottK wonders how to translate grom?18:56
ScottKi.e. grom the gtk version ....18:56
rgreeninggrom the ftk18:56
rgreening:)18:57
* rgreening realizes not only does he suk at translations, but also in his own native language18:57
ScottKNo doubt too cold up there to type properly.18:58
rgreeningtrue. Or it could be I played GH from 3PM until 2AM last night. Wrecked my hands completely on Base.19:00
jussi01karmic upgrade here I come...19:13
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neversfeldejussi01: hope you're not an nvidia user :)19:14
jussi01neversfelde: is nvidia borked in karmic atm?19:16
* jussi01 is still downloading... can still cancel...19:16
neversfeldebug 42900319:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 429003 in eglibc "[karmic] Xorg (and anything GLX) crashes on startup" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42900319:16
* jussi01 cancels and waits for bug to get fixed...19:17
neversfeldejussi01: you would have to use nv or downgrade the broken packages19:17
jussi01neversfelde: Ill wait19:17
neversfeldebest dicission19:18
jussi01neversfelde: thanks for the info19:22
neversfeldenp19:22
freinhardhi!19:27
Riddellhello freinhard19:28
spstarrquery Riddell19:29
spstarrer :D19:29
freinhardRiddell: python-qt4 4.5.2 (jaunty backports) has some bugs concerning QVariant and toPyObject which can cause ugly segfaults, anything i can do to update to 4.5.4? want a debdiff?19:30
freinhardRiddell: see http://www.nabble.com/PyQt4.5.2-QVariant.toPyObject()-bugged-(code-included)-td24559310.html19:30
Riddellthere's a 4.5.4?19:34
Riddellhum, why are we behind in that I wonder19:35
freinhardRiddell: http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/software/pyqt/download19:35
Riddellfreinhard: we should update that then, in karmic and the jaunty backport PPA19:36
Riddellfreinhard: if you feel enclined to do that update that would be very welcome, else I'll put it on my Todo and get to it sometime  this week19:38
freinhardRiddell: i'll give it a try and we'll see if i manage to get a debdiff ;)19:39
Riddellfreinhard: it's a new bugfix only version so I expect it doesn't need any packaging changes other than a changelog (and bug to confirm it doesn't conflict with feature freeze)19:41
Riddellbut testing needed of course19:41
yuriyooh freinhard think that might have something to do with bug 403361? doesn't sound it, but *wishful thinking*19:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 403361 in python-qt4 "apport-kde crashed with SIGSEGV in QWidgetPrivate::deleteExtra()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40336119:46
freinhardRiddell: any tags for that bug?19:53
Riddellfreinhard: no just ping me with the number19:58
freinhardRiddell: bug 42956720:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 429567 in python-qt4 "New upstream bugfix release 4.5.4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42956720:06
neversfeldeNightrose: is there an amarok release mailing list?20:54
Nightroseyes and kubuntu people are on it20:54
Riddellneversfelde: interested in packaging the new amarok beta?  I know how you must be feeling idle with koffice done :)21:00
neversfeldeRiddell: yes, that's why I asked :)21:01
neversfeldeNightrose: do you have an URL to the subscribe page?21:01
jussi01has koffice got .doc compatibility yet?21:01
neversfeldejussi01: test it, it is in the backports PPA21:01
* jussi01 tries...21:02
Riddelljussi01: it's had .doc reading for a decade21:02
Nightroseneversfelde: invite only - need your email address21:02
neversfeldeNightrose: neversfelde at kubuntu org21:02
jussi01neversfelde: nope, dont look like it... :/21:03
neversfelde:( I like koffice, it is on the right way, but it needs more love21:03
Nightroseneversfelde: invite sent - info on that list is not public21:04
Sputapparently it has .doc21:04
Sputat least it has a filter for it21:04
neversfeldeNightrose: thanks21:04
Sputoptional though21:04
freinhardRiddell: pyqt 4.5.4 needs sip 4.8.2, in case i update sip too, how do i get that into the pbuilder chroot so i can test pyqt 4.5.4 on my local machine?21:05
neversfeldeNightrose: I will use the ninja PPA, so it will not be public until release21:05
jussi01neversfelde: If it had msoffice support I would actually use it.21:05
Nightrosek21:05
neversfeldejussi01: it has some issues with umlauts that prevent me from using it21:06
jussi01neversfelde: its frustrating, because I could deal with most other stuff, but that is a huge blocker for me21:06
neversfeldewell, actually I cannot open .odt created with openoffice with it, so there is obviously some work to do :)21:07
Riddellfreinhard: I've never worked that out, I use a manual chroot made with debootstrap in such cases21:08
JontheEchidnain theory you could copy the debs from the sip build directly into /var/cache/pbuilder/buildd/*numberofbuild*/tmp/build21:10
freinhardRiddell: hmm i guess i'll try to figure out how to setup a local repository21:10
JontheEchidnathen make the build fail in a trivial-yet-correctable way21:10
JontheEchidnausing a pbuilder hook to drop you to a shell on failure21:10
JontheEchidnawhere you then correct the failure, install the debs, then dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -nc21:11
JontheEchidna^_^21:11
JontheEchidnaa bit complicated, though21:11
Riddellsudo debootstrap karmic karmic/; sudo cp sip*deb karmic/root/; sudo chroot karmic; sudo dpkg --install root/*deb21:12
claydohdarn my laptop overheats when compiling :(21:13
Riddellor with a pbuilder   sudo pbuilder --save-after-login login;  <copy the .debs into the pbuilder>; dpkg --install *deb; apt-get -f install; control-d21:15
nixternalRiddell: did you figure out the survey server stuff?21:24
Riddellnixternal: nope, what needs done?21:25
nixternaljust install limesurvey, set up an account, and then I have .xml files that will create a survey21:26
nixternalthen, you need to place the php script on the server, with some changes of course so it will run on another machine21:26
nixternaland then you need to edit the plasma widget to point to the new php script21:26
allee-kfreinhard: I'd put the .debs into a dir. Use dpkg-scanpackage to create a Package file. in pbuilderrc add repo file:///here/my/repo and bindmount the deb dir to /here/my/repo.  First a bit of work. latter only copy new debs to dir and run dpkg-scanpackage, then fire up pbuilder21:38
Riddellnixternal: hmm fooey the server I wanted to run it on has too old a PHP version21:40
nixternalit doesn't have php5?21:41
nixternalI know it works on my server...I am not a PHP dude at all, so I figured it would work on any PHP5 machine21:42
Riddellit has PHP 421:44
nixternalthat isn't good :)21:44
RiddellI don't tend to update my servers very often21:44
RiddellI have one that's more up to date but it's out of use this week21:44
nixternali guess now :)21:44
nixternalwe can keep it on my server at least for the rest of karmic and then we can look at something more permanent if that is OK?21:45
Riddellthat would do21:46
ScottKRiddell: php4 died a LONG time ago.  This isn't a Dapper server is it?21:48
Riddellyou're assuming ubuntu existed when this server was set up :)21:50
nixternallol21:50
neversfelderofl21:50
ScottKYeah, well php4 needs to go.21:51
ScottKRiddell: I'm going to upload Quassel shortly from their upstream branch with agateau's stuff already in it.21:53
Riddellsuper21:54
davmor2Riddell: you're gonna hate that dist-upgrade :D21:58
pgquilesneversfelde: wrt the kdebase-workspace-bin/kdebas-workspace-libs4+5 issue, it's still broken in ~ppa721:58
Riddelluh oh22:00
neversfeldepgquiles: mhh, I backported apacheloggers fix, I will have another look tomorrow, sorry for the delay22:02
pgquilesneversfelde: no problem. This is the error output: http://pastie.org/61670822:08
neversfeldek22:09
ScottK!schedule22:44
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