[00:13] <Daviey> Has lp bzr died?
[00:13] <thumper> Daviey: what makes you ask?
[00:14] <Daviey> thumper: can't branch/co, commit or use bazaar.launchpad.net
[00:14] <cody-somerville> mmm
[00:14] <cody-somerville> All my bzr operations on branches hosted on bazaar.launchpad.net seem to hang on ssh -oForwardX11=no -oForwardAgent=no -oClearAllForwardings=yes -oProtocol=2 -oNoHostAuthenticationForLocalhost=yes -l cody-somerville bazaar.launchpad.net bzr serve --inet --directory=/ --allow-writes
[00:15] <Daviey> loggerhead isn't working either
[00:15] <thumper> hmm
[00:16] <thumper> spm: you started yet?
[00:16] <thumper> lets ask a losa
[00:25] <spm> thumper: yo, 'sup?
[00:26] <Daviey> spm: no branch/co, commit/push or loggehead :(
[00:26] <spm> wahoo. looking.
[00:27] <mwhudson> internal xmlrpc foulup?
[00:30] <spm> aye
[00:31] <spm> total borksville.
[00:31] <Daviey> :(
[00:31] <spm> should be good now - seeing if everything else is recovering on it's own...
[00:31] <spm> codebrowse is good
[00:32] <Daviey> spm: looking good here, thanks for the fast response!
[00:33] <spm> Daviey: cool, do sing out if you notice any funkies that may be in a half-half state post this.
[00:33] <Daviey> wilco :)
[00:34] <Daviey> co and commit worked :)
[00:38] <thumper> spm: ta
[00:39] <thumper> spm: I took the downtime to hang out the washing :)
[00:40] <spm> thumper: would you like me to schedule that in the crontab? eg 2300 UTC, thumper hanging out washing. randomly break code* services so he can skive off. ???
[00:40] <thumper> spm: sure, why not
[00:41] <Daviey> taking what feels like longer than normal to show on code.lp "Updating branch...".. perhaps it's because i'm watching, it feels longer - or there is a longer queue because of bustage.
[00:42] <thumper> Daviey: it'll be because you're watching it :)
[00:42] <Daviey> heh
[00:42] <thumper> Daviey: I just updated 5 branches very fast
[00:42] <Daviey> a watched phone never rings.
[00:42] <spm> thumper: cool. shoot the rt in and I'll make it so. I suspect a pri 90.
[00:43] <thumper> spm: no, not submitting an RT for that, this has to be on the quiet.
[00:43] <Daviey> thumper: hmm, it's been > 10 mins now
[00:43] <spm> thumper: which is why we're discussing same in a public irc channel? ;-)
[00:43] <spm> Daviey: that sounds broken then. which branch?
[00:43] <thumper> Daviey: which formats are you using?
[00:43] <thumper> Daviey: locally and remotely
[00:43] <Daviey> lp:~ubuntu-voip/ubuntu-voip/dahdi-linux
[00:44] <Daviey> Checkout (format: pack-0.92)
[00:44] <Daviey> remote, Branch format:  Branch format 6
[00:44] <thumper> Daviey: is it a big change?
[00:44] <Daviey> no
[00:45] <Daviey> trivial few lines, 1 file
[00:45] <thumper> Daviey: I don't tend to use checkouts
[00:45] <thumper> ick
[00:45] <thumper> Daviey: is the checkout itself big?
[00:45] <Daviey> thumper: no
[00:45] <Daviey> 9.7M
[00:46] <thumper> Daviey: a remote commit probably isn't optimised for round trips like a push is
[00:46] <thumper> Daviey: but that is probably best answered by the #bzr guys
[00:46]  * Daviey didn't appreciate that there was a technical difference between co and branch.. just thought it did a local commit and push under the covers.
[00:47] <thumper> Daviey: I can't really say
[00:47] <thumper> Daviey: but I bet it differs
[00:47] <thumper> lifeless: what is the internal difference between a commit on a checkout and a push?
[00:47] <thumper> lifeless: lots different, or just a little?
[00:48] <thumper> Daviey: commit needs to check many things
[00:48]  * thumper waves his hands around
[00:48] <lifeless> thumper: so
[00:48] <thumper> Daviey: whereas push is sending already committed revisions
[00:48] <thumper> lifeless: for Daviey
[00:48] <lifeless> a 'lightweight checkout' does a commit to the repository
[00:49] <lifeless> a 'heavyweight' checkout - the default if you do 'bzr checkout', does a local commit and then a push.
[00:49] <lifeless> committing to the repository does not stream.
[00:49] <lifeless> so local commits are only fast because the repository is close.
[00:50] <lifeless> committing a single file to a 2a repository will need to:
[00:50] <lifeless> add a revision, inventory, inventory CHK page, file text
[00:50] <Daviey> Ah, it's showing on code.lp now \o/
[00:51] <Daviey> took 17 mins tho :o
[00:51] <thumper> Daviey: for the command to finish, or the revision to appear?
[00:51] <Daviey> thumper: to appear
[00:51] <lifeless> which is 4 groups, and 4 index writes, which is 20 round trips I think.
[00:51] <Daviey> commit was near instant
[00:51] <thumper> Daviey: ah, we have sometimes overly long delays there
[00:51] <Daviey> lifeless: thanks, i understand bzr a little better now :)
[00:51] <lifeless> also if there was downtime, there would be a backlog perhaps
[00:51] <thumper> Daviey: we have plans to reduce those delays though
[00:52] <lifeless> Daviey: if the commit was near instant you can ignore everything I said :)
[00:52] <Daviey> heh
[00:52] <thumper> lifeless: also this is for a packs 0.92 repo/branch
[00:52] <lifeless> Daviey: because it speaks to the work required before the UI completes, not how long LP takes to update the web ui.
[00:52] <Daviey> but, i've learned that it's unwise to use co for potential large commits :)
[00:53] <lifeless> Daviey: 'bzr co foo' - thats fine.
[00:53] <lifeless> Daviey: 'bzr co --lightweight foo' - do not do this unless foo is on your local disk.
[00:53] <Daviey> --lightweight is missold :)
[01:02] <lifeless> --lightweight is very good for local operations
[01:02] <lifeless> just not so good over the network
[01:06] <Daviey> sure.
[01:06] <Daviey> thanks again, nn from me o/
[05:50] <CarlFK> https://edge.launchpad.net/~carlfk/+archive/ppa/+builds?build_state=pending  this has been up for ove 10 min... is that a problem?  or should I just keep waiting?
[05:57] <maxb> crested is in need of a kick
[05:57] <maxb> CarlFK: It's simply waiting for an available build machine
[05:58] <maxb> click on any of the individual builds and it'll give you an estimate when it thinks building will start
[06:04] <CarlFK>   Start in 1 hour             (2510)
[06:04] <CarlFK> really?
[06:05] <CarlFK>  Urgency       Score      low       that's my 'doing'  grumble..
[06:07] <CarlFK> 2510 is my score?
[06:27] <maxb> CarlFK: Scores don't really mean much for PPA builds, they're mainly used for prioritising main over universe, security over backports, etc. in the primary archive
[06:27] <CarlFK> yeah, i was noticing I was compeeting whith them... so they win.  fair enough
[06:28] <CarlFK> thanks.  done for tonight.  will install later
[06:28] <mwhudson> i'm fairly sure that the primary archive is an entirely different queue
[06:28] <maxb> yup
[06:29] <CarlFK> so theres an hour of PPA builds?
[06:44] <mwhudson> CarlFK: there seems to be 8 *days* of ppa builds
[06:45] <mwhudson> CarlFK: so don't complain too much :)
[06:45] <mwhudson> (something to do with an archive test rebuild)
[06:45] <maxb> Ah, but rebuild archives get a score of 4, so it's fine
[06:47] <maxb> the current problem seems to be that the gmpc-trunk PPA is building a ridiculous number of packages
[07:08] <CarlFK> ah, so this is abnormal... cool.  I figured my 5 min build time's were a fluke
[08:10] <dbuell> Can anybody help me login to my wiki.ubuntu.com account? I can log in to my launchpad account, but unfortunately the reply from wiki.ubuntu.com is "The username you have chosen is already taken. If it is your username, enter your password below to associate the username with your OpenID. Otherwise, please choose a different username and leave the password field blank." I have logged in before, but I forgot my password apparently.
[08:21] <mdke> dbuell: you tried your Launchpad password I guess?
[08:21] <dbuell> yeah
[08:21] <mdke> sounds like a tricky one. I'd suggest an email to the launchpad-users mailing list if no one responds here
[08:23] <dbuell> mdke: alright, thanks!
[08:25] <beuno> dbuell, I think there's a known bug on our openid setup about that
[08:25] <beuno> dbuell, so either a bug or an email, as mdke suggests
[08:27] <dbuell> beuno: Alright, I'll be sure to check the bugs
[08:27] <dbuell> beuno: Thanks!
[08:30] <dbuell> beuno: you wouldn't happen to know the title or bug ID on that would you?
[08:32] <beuno> dbuell, no, but I'll try and find it
[08:33] <beuno> dbuell, it isn't the same bug, I was confused
[08:33] <beuno> so I don't know  :)
[08:34] <mdke> if you file a new bug, the relevant project is moin-openid
[09:03] <lucazade> hi! what does it mean "Build for superseded Source" ?
[09:06] <lucazade> how to remove/start from building queue?
[09:11] <wgrant> lucazade: It means that a newer version of the package has been uploaded.
[09:11] <wgrant> lucazade: So there's no point building the old one.
[09:14] <lucazade> wgrant: thanks.. should i upload a new release for these packages? https://launchpad.net/~lucazade/+archive/gma500/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[09:17] <wgrant> lucazade: Ah, in this case you deleted the package.
[09:17] <wgrant> lucazade: You need to upload a fixed version.
[09:17] <lucazade> ah ok.. maybe i did something wrong
[09:18] <lucazade> with the same rev number or higher^
[09:18] <lucazade> ?
[09:18] <wgrant> Higher.
[09:18] <lucazade> thanks a lot
[10:28] <Hosein-mec> hi
[10:29] <Hosein-mec> the build state goes well. but at end proccess have problem
[10:29] <Hosein-mec> https://launchpad.net/~hoseinhz63/+archive/ppa/+build/1241869
[10:29] <Hosein-mec> anyone can help ?
[10:29] <bigjools> I can look
[10:31] <bigjools> it's an issue with your package
[10:31] <bigjools> does it compile locally?
[10:36] <Hosein-mec> bigjools: i have a problem exactly like this => http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=616544
[10:36] <bigjools> did the suggestion not work for you?
[10:37] <Hosein-mec> i dont know how to " Adding the non-interactive "cmake" command to the debian/rules "
[10:37] <Hosein-mec> he said in last post
[10:37] <bigjools> ok, ask on #ubuntu-motu, they will be able to help
[10:38] <Hosein-mec> ok thanks
[11:49] <tuukkah> i wonder what's wrong with my account. trying to login, i get "This account cannot be used."
[11:55] <Laney> Are the PPA package listings going to become expandable again? :(
[11:55] <bigjools> Laney: click "view all packages"
[11:56] <Laney> bigjools: "View package details", you mean
[11:56] <bigjools> err yes :)
[11:56] <Laney> that's quite undiscoverable imo
[11:57] <Laney> maybe an (i) information icon would be useful
[11:57] <Laney> on each package
[11:57]  * Laney leaves it with you ;)
[11:57] <bigjools> we wanted to split the page into two, so there's a user-focused and a dev-focused page
[12:02] <wgrant> Does the index now show binaries?
[12:03] <bigjools> no
[12:03] <wgrant> Hm.
[12:03] <wgrant> So it's just a crippled version of +packages?
[12:15] <doko> looking at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.4/4.4.1-3ubuntu3/+build/1195508 I see many different icons. what do they mean?
[12:18] <maxb> I'd wager they mean someone has broken the CSS in a deeply obscure way
[12:22] <wgrant> The same breakage is in a few places.
[12:22] <wgrant> I filed a bug about it a couple of weeks ago.
[12:22] <wgrant> There are lots of <ul>s around with class 'downloads'
[12:23] <wgrant> Somebody a few weeks ago applied the download sprite to the .downloads, apparently unaware that it was used on several other views.
[12:23] <noodles775> wgrant: regarding the list of packages on the ppa-index, I'd thought of it as a simplified version of +packages for users of the PPA - but yes, it'll be great to update it to binary pkgs soon.
[12:24] <geser> the icon selection looks pretty interesting: background:url(icon-sprites) 0 -32px no-repeat
[12:25] <geser> icon-sprites contains all icons and the value (-32px) selects which one is visible
[12:25] <wgrant> Right.
[12:25] <geser> that doesn't seem to work pretty well for long elements
[12:25] <wgrant> Right. But it shouldn't be applied to that list at all.
[12:26] <wgrant> All the <li>s have it set, so the <ul> shouldn't.
[12:26] <geser> right
[12:46] <bigjools> wgrant: what is the bug number?
[12:59] <wgrant> bigjools: Bug #423105
[12:59] <bigjools> wgrant: thanks
[13:22] <fta> i'm totally lost with the new ppa page
[13:22] <fta> it's totally useless for me now, no more links to build logs
[13:23] <noodles775> fta: did you click on the View detailed packages link?
[13:23] <fta> ohh
[13:23] <noodles775> fta: the idea is that you (as a developer) will use that page - the front page is meant to be more for your users.
[13:23] <gour> hiya, i'm listed as former member of the project, but still receive notices about new bug reports? is it some bug in LP or what should i to do become 'completely unsubscribed' ?
[13:24] <maxb> The new ppa page is pretty annoying to me too
[13:24] <noodles775> maxb: what in particular?
[13:25] <noodles775> maxb: and it's a shame given that we tried to get feedback from everyone :/
[13:25] <maxb> In that I never want to see it, I only ever want to see the advanced version
[13:25] <noodles775> maxb: yes, because you're a *developer* right? The idea is that users (or prospective users) of your PPA will want the index page.
[13:26] <maxb> I find myself wishing for a per-user option that would jump me straight to the advanced view on hitting the base url of a PPA
[13:27] <noodles775> maxb: doesn't your browser cache your urls that you type frequently? Or do you mean when you click on someone else's profile and click to look at their PPA?
[13:27] <maxb> Indeed. I want to see the advanced page for *any* PPA
[13:28] <maxb> And for that matter, if the page is truly user-oriented, it needs to not show packages which haven't built yet
[13:29] <noodles775> maxb: yes, it should not be.
[13:29] <noodles775> maxb: I think the consensus is that we'll eventually list binary packages on the index page (as that's what users install).
[13:41] <gour> how can one unsubscribe from the project's bugs?
[13:49] <james_w> gour: at the bottom of each email it should say why you are receiving the bug
[13:49] <james_w> the mail I mean
[13:49] <james_w> if you break the link that it refers to then you should stop getting them
[13:51] <gour> james_w: it says: "You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to GNUmed.", but i deactivated my self from the project - see https://launchpad.net/~gnumed/+members and do not know how to break the link?
[13:52] <james_w> gour: https://launchpad.net/gnumed/+subscribe
[13:54] <gour> james_w: thanks, although i may suggest it's not, imho, visible/clear enough
[13:56] <gour> james_w: there should be subscribe/unsubsribe label on the link, not only subscribe
[13:56] <james_w> gour: please file a bug
[14:02] <gour> james_w: i'm not the only one - https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/273192 ;)
[14:57] <mrevell> deryck: ping!
[14:58] <deryck> mrevell, hi
[16:30] <cbcunc> bac!
[16:30] <bac> hi cbcunc
[17:33] <fta> would it be possible/reasonable to show the full build log instead of the just the tail? https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa/+build/1243054  i often need to wait for the build to complete just to check something at the beginning
[18:31] <cyberix>  (Error ID: OOPS-1353D2743)
[18:44] <Philip5> mthaddon: are you there?
[18:52] <Philip5> any other launchpad admins here that could help me out with a ppa issue regarding space?
[18:53] <maxb> It's probably better to file a question and let them get back to you
[18:55] <Philip5> maxb: i have but i haven't got any response on it for a couple of days :(
[18:55] <Philip5> almost a week...
[18:55] <maxb> Hmm, is it filed against the soyuz project?
[18:56] <Philip5> yes and they have moved it to the canonical losa team
[18:57] <Philip5> and mthaddon helped me with it but i would like a little change to what's done
[18:58] <maxb> You're most likely to find someone suitably empowered here during UK office hours
[18:58] <maxb> (AFAIK)
[18:59] <Philip5> and it's that last little thingy that i need som help with that have taken some time to get respons on
[18:59] <Philip5> i guess you're right
[22:19] <james_w> hmm, does LP disallow dsa keys now?
[22:25] <geser> adding or using?
[22:35] <james_w> using
[22:35] <james_w> it appears that they are still allowed and this user was having another issue
[23:37] <det> How can I delete a package on launchpad ? (using edge)
[23:39] <wgrant> det: Click 'View page details' in the top right.
[23:39] <wgrant> det: There's a bug filed that that is unobvious.
[23:39] <wgrant> det: That stuff was moved away from the PPA index page to make it a bit more friendly to PPA users.
[23:40] <det> "view package details" ?
[23:40] <wgrant> det: That one, sorry.
[23:40] <det> is ~ supported on the left hand side of package versions ?
[23:41] <det> so that 1.0~alpha < 1.0 ?
[23:41] <wgrant> det: You mean in the upstream version?
[23:41] <wgrant> Right.
[23:41] <wgrant> Exactly.
[23:41] <wgrant> That's the primary use for it.
[23:41] <det> I wasnt sure if it was only allowed on the right hand side
[23:41] <wgrant> 1.0~alpha1, 1.0~svn20090909, etc.
[23:43] <det> 1.0~alpha~r574
[23:43] <det> is that ok ?
[23:43] <det> what is best way to express both alpha and svn revision number?
[23:43] <det> even when I view package details
[23:43] <det> I cant find where to delete packages
[23:43] <wgrant> det: Top right of that page, again.
[23:44] <det> n/m
[23:44] <wgrant> Perhaps 1.0~alpha1~r574?
[23:44] <det> for some reason I was logged out
[23:44] <det> even though I just logged in
[23:44] <wgrant> Ah.
[23:44] <det> wgrant, why alpha1
[23:44] <wgrant> Remember that betatesters have to log in twice.
[23:44] <det> instead of just alpha
[23:44] <wgrant> Once for lpnet, once for edge.
[23:44] <wgrant> det: Well, what is the next release?
[23:45] <det> 1.0~beta~rXXX
[23:45] <det> and XXX will be > 574
[23:45] <det> or
[23:45] <det> maybe another alpha
[23:45] <det> with XXX > 574
[23:45] <wgrant> There is a release '1.0 alpha'?
[23:45] <det> no
[23:45] <det> all alpha/beta contain svn revision
[23:45] <det> and final is just 1.0
[23:46] <wgrant> So there are no, and will not be any, officially released alphas or betas?
[23:46] <jml> hi
[23:46] <det> official releases are tagged by alpha/beta and revision
[23:47] <wgrant> det: Hmmm, I see.
[23:47] <det> Im not working from svn
[23:47] <wgrant> So just 1.0~alpha~r574, as you suggested.
[23:47] <det> ok, thanks
[23:47] <det> I accidently uploaded 1.0alpha+r574
[23:48] <det> I hope LP lets me upload something that sorts higher after I delete it
[23:48] <det> I mean, sorts lower
[23:50] <det> 1.0~alpha~r574-0ubuntu1~9.04~ppa1
[23:50] <det> does that sound reasonable ?
[23:52] <wgrant> det: I'd swap the 9.04 and the ppa1.
[23:53] <det> 9.04 is more important than pp1
[23:53] <wgrant> No.
[23:53] <wgrant> It's the 9.04 version of your PPA package.
[23:53] <wgrant> Not the PPA version of the 9.04 package.
[23:53] <det> 9.04 is for jaunty
[23:53] <det> when upgrading from 8.10
[23:53] <det> it needs to grab the jaunty package
[23:54] <det> even if intrepid has a higher ppaX
[23:55] <wgrant> Perhaps.
[23:55] <wgrant> Most people do it the other way, though.
[23:56] <det> phew
[23:56] <det> LP accepted new package
[23:58] <det> awesome! LP supports real time build log now!
[23:58] <wgrant> det: It actually always has, just on another page.