[00:05] <Dai> how's intel doing currently under karmic?  generally speaking, of course
[00:05] <crimsun> generally? just fine
[00:07] <Dai> crimsun: awesome.  time to upgrade!
[00:07] <Nattgew> Dai, that's what I said, too...
[00:09] <Dai> Nattgew: not a pleasant experience?
[00:09] <Nattgew> Dai: not so much... but I ended up doing a fresh install and now it's not so bad
[00:09] <Dai> i can do that too.  this isn't a critical machine :)
[00:10] <Nattgew> good... because mine is
[00:10] <Dai> ouch
[00:11] <lokad> some time ago i asked about grub 1.97beta2 not booting in my netbook. beta3 from debian-sid now does
[00:12] <lokad> so i think this issue will be remedied with the next merging if debian changes
[00:12] <lokad> s/if/of/
[00:12] <Guest30810> I just installed karmic alpha 5, and it won't see my audigy 2 sounds card. any ideas?
[00:14] <Twigathy> TylerD: I have an Audigy 2 ZS and it works fine
[00:14] <Twigathy> you sure it's not muted?
[00:15] <TylerD> Yep
[00:15] <Twigathy> what're you using to make noise?
[00:15] <TylerD> I inserted a cd and opened it in totem and rhythmbox
[00:16] <TylerD> neither worked
[00:16] <TylerD> MP# from a usb won't work either
[00:16] <TylerD> MP3*
[00:18] <steven_> !Karmic
[00:19] <crimsun> TylerD: do you have the debug output (echo autospawn = no|tee -a ~/.pulse/client.conf && killall pulseaudio && pulseaudio -vvvv)?
[00:19] <TylerD> enter that in the terminal?
[00:19] <TylerD> (new to linux, trying to switch from xp)
[00:20] <crimsun> TylerD: yes, without the parentheses
[00:20] <TylerD> ok, just a sec
[00:20] <martin__> welcome to the free side :)
[00:21] <ajmitch> crimsun: 'ubuntu-bug -p alsa-base' should give enough info for a bug about headphone jack sensing, right?
[00:22] <crimsun> ajmitch: generally, yes
[00:22] <ajmitch> alright, just got a new laptop to play with :)
[00:23] <sageNsand> Venting After 8hrs from this mornings update I have had more freezes from Firefox, Thunderbird, and any window open the title bar freezes which won't let me move it. Today is the worst I've seen. I'll wait till tomorrow morning AZ time and see if updates solves some of this
[00:23] <iwoodstock> will karmic have virtio drivers for windows guests under kvm?
[00:25] <martin__> what's virtio?
[00:26] <iwoodstock> pv drivers
[00:27] <iwoodstock> http://www.linux-kvm.com/content/tip-how-setup-windows-guest-paravirtual-network-drivers
[00:29] <gbs-wes> Is there anyway to undo your last aptitude update?
[00:34] <TylerD> crimsun, yes, I got it
[00:34] <TylerD> sorry for the delay, I run linux on a different comp than this one
[00:34] <TylerD> :)
[00:34] <crimsun> TylerD: please pastebin it
[00:34] <TylerD> in here?
[00:35] <TylerD> crimsun, do you mean a ubuntu pastbin site?
[00:35] <roffe> of course he does
[00:35] <TylerD> which one then roffe?
[00:35] <roffe> !pastebin
[00:35] <crimsun> TylerD: any will suffice; just let me know the url, please
[00:36] <TylerD> crimsun, here you go, http://paste.ubuntu.com/270578/
[00:39] <crimsun> TylerD: hmm, doesn't have everything i need, unfortunately. instead, try: killall pulseaudio && 2>&1 | tee gdb-<program>.txt
[00:39] <crimsun> err
[00:39] <crimsun> TylerD: killall pulseaudio && pulseaudio -vvvv 2>&1 | tee pulseaudio.txt
[00:40] <TylerD> ok, just a sec
[00:40] <crimsun> TylerD: please pastebin the contents of pulseaudio.txt
[00:40] <TylerD> will do crimsun
[00:42] <gbs-wes> Im dead in the water because of a damn apt-get update...
[00:45] <crimsun> gbs-wes: which Nvidia hardware, and which driver version?
[00:47] <bjsnider> have the gnome rc packages gone in yet?
[00:47] <gbs-wes> 190.32 driver... Geforce. Was working so perfectly until I did today's aptitude update. I usually update like 4 times a day with no issues like this
[00:47] <bjsnider> gbs-wes, did you install the driver yourself?
[00:48] <crimsun> err, Karmic doesn't ship 190.xx
[00:48] <gbs-wes> Yeah? Not today... Now my filesystem is suddenly read-only WTF? In root!
[00:48] <gbs-wes> The old
[00:48] <TylerD> crimsun: was too big for pastebin, so it is now living at http://soswd.com/output.txt
[00:49] <crimsun> TylerD: you're not current
[00:49] <crimsun> TylerD: please upgrade && dist-upgrade
[00:50] <TylerD> ok
[00:50] <crimsun> e.g., your kernel is old; your pulseaudio is old
[00:50] <TylerD> I will upgrade the stuff
[00:50] <crimsun> TylerD: please use memoserv to leave me a note after you upgrade and reboot
[00:50] <crimsun> i'm out for more studying, back later
[00:50] <TylerD> ok, and where is that?
[00:50] <crimsun> /msg memoserv help
[00:50] <TylerD> ok, cool
[00:51] <bjsnider> gbs-wes, i'm having trouble understanding your responses
[00:52] <gbs-wes> Sorry one sec, on my iPhone
[00:52] <bazooka2th> ok, this is gbs-wes
[00:52] <bazooka2th> what did you not understand?
[00:53] <bjsnider> ok, answer this. where did you get the 190 driver? did you install it yourself?
[00:54] <bazooka2th> yes, i installed it myself. over a month ago at least
[00:55] <bjsnider> from the nvidia install package?
[00:55] <bazooka2th> and it's worked perfectly until today...  yes, from the nvidia install package
[00:55] <bazooka2th> i also put the karmic repos in my apt-sources list
[00:55] <bazooka2th> and so it has updated there a few times
[00:55] <bjsnider> alright run this: dkms status
[00:56] <bazooka2th> k, lemme pastebin
[00:57] <bazooka2th> http://pastebin.com/m13673a19
[00:58] <bjsnider> ok, so if your xorg.conf order x to use the nvidia driver you're fine
[00:59] <bazooka2th> should be, but it shows the nvidia screen... then blanks... then shows it again.. then blanks... etc.
[00:59] <bazooka2th> never loads my desktop
[00:59] <Artemis3> well its in the topic isn't? you should avoid updating at all when you have a stable system, at least until release :)
[01:00] <bazooka2th> yeah, im already about to cry.
[01:00] <bazooka2th> thanks
[01:00] <Artemis3> i guess there is always the hard way to find out ;) try swtching to nv in the meantime
[01:00] <bazooka2th> nv?
[01:00] <bjsnider> you can reinstall the driver fromt eh package
[01:01] <Artemis3> the open source variant, the one without 3d.
[01:01] <bjsnider> there's a ppa with this driver in an ubuntu package
[01:02] <Artemis3> even better then, does it work perfect atm?
[01:02] <bazooka2th> nah, i need 3D. or i can't run vbox for photoshop to do what i'm trying to do
[01:02] <Artemis3> try that ppa
[01:03] <Artemis3> but why would photoshop need 3d for? ah well
[01:03] <bjsnider> photoshiop does not need 3d
[01:03] <bjsnider> virtualbox does not need it
[01:03] <bazooka2th> mine does, apparently.
[01:03] <Artemis3> weird
[01:03] <bazooka2th> im using sun virtualbox
[01:04] <bazooka2th> it won't even let me uncheck the 3d accel box
[01:05] <Artemis3> i suppose reinstalling the driver (recompiling modules) didn't help...
[01:06] <bjsnider> i'm not sure there's really an nvidia driver problem. he said his fs was read-only
[01:06] <Artemis3> also uninstalling the driver and trying the old ones included in the distro?
[01:06] <Artemis3> ah... ok
[01:06] <bazooka2th> my fs isnt read only anymore...
[01:06] <bjsnider> this could be merely a symptom of a different problem
[01:06] <bazooka2th> it was cause i did an fschk i think
[01:06] <bazooka2th> that was before i got into my desktop, i was talking from the iphone
[01:07] <bjsnider> alright try this
[01:07] <bazooka2th> ok
[01:07] <bjsnider> open up your /etc/apt/sources.list file. add this line:
[01:08] <bjsnider> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/nvidia-vdpau/ppa/ubuntu karmic main
[01:08] <Artemis3> im going to check that ppa too :)
[01:08] <bjsnider> update and install nvidia-glx-190
[01:08] <bazooka2th> hmm.. when i go to Hardware Drivers, it shows 3 options  (173, 185, and 190 recommended)
[01:09] <bazooka2th> all say "this driver is not activated" except for 190.. it says "another version of this driver is in use"
[01:09] <Artemis3> wait, before that you might want to run the nvidia installer with the -uninstall option
[01:09] <bjsnider> yes, that would be a good idea
[01:09] <Artemis3> ah , and ignore the hardware drivers thingie
[01:10] <bazooka2th> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/nvidia-vdpau/ppa/ubuntu karmic main
[01:10] <bazooka2th> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/nvidia-vdpau/ppa/ubuntu karmic main
[01:10] <bazooka2th> was in there already
[01:10] <Artemis3> dont forget the key :)
[01:10] <bazooka2th> didn't
[01:11] <Artemis3> i must have like 20 ppas already in my sources.list :P
[01:12] <bazooka2th> already at newest version
[01:14] <bjsnider> reinstall nvidia-glx-190
[01:14] <bazooka2th> doing that now..
[01:14] <bazooka2th> did a apt-get remove and then apt-get autoremove
[01:15] <bazooka2th> ok, its doing the initial module build
[01:17] <bazooka2th> ok, now what?
[01:17] <bjsnider> reboot
[01:18] <bazooka2th> but my xorg isn't changed
[01:18] <bazooka2th> is it?
[01:18] <bjsnider> your xorg is probably fine.
[01:19] <bazooka2th> lol, it doesn't exist
[01:19] <bjsnider> ok, that's a problem
[01:20] <bazooka2th> alright... wish me luck.
[01:21] <gbs-wes> Same issue.
[01:21] <gbs-wes> IMF
[01:22] <gbs-wes> fml.
[01:22] <Artemis3> how about... remove those packages you just installed, get the one from nvidia page and install it?
[01:23] <bjsnider> i'd like to know what specifically it's complaining about
[01:23] <Artemis3> check /var/log/Xblah
[01:24] <Artemis3> pastebin it
[01:24] <kavurt> what should I do to be able to watch mms streams
[01:24] <Artemis3> open VLC?
[01:25] <billybigrigger> anyone aware of how i can see if my dvdrw is DL capable? i went to go burn at DL disc and it failed roughly %46 go figure, gnome disk utility and lshw are of no help
[01:25] <gbs-wes> I don't see
[01:25] <Artemis3> ouch, why not check unit model?
[01:26] <gbs-wes> Any problems in that file... It ends with backtrace:
[01:26] <gbs-wes> After initialiZing extension GLX
[01:26] <Artemis3> hahaha you call that "not any problems"?
[01:27] <gbs-wes> Idk what that means
[01:27] <Artemis3> yah but paste it into the bin for fun watch
[01:27] <gbs-wes> Ok let me get booted back into x somehow
[01:28] <Artemis3> aww
[01:28] <gbs-wes> Woah
[01:28] <Artemis3> then it will move
[01:28] <gbs-wes> I think
[01:28] <gbs-wes> I fixed it
[01:28] <Artemis3> ok
[01:29] <gbs-wes> Nope
[01:29] <bazooka2th> back
[01:33] <bazooka2th> http://pastebin.com/m53f56140
[01:33] <bazooka2th> there it is
[01:33] <mjbrooks> odd... seems nvidia 185 got fudged in a recent update... I couldn't get to my desktop until I removed it
[01:34] <mjbrooks> was getting libGL.so.185 segfaults
[01:34] <bazooka2th> thats what i'm dealing with too, mjbrooks
[01:34] <BluesKaj> mjbrooks, which card ?
[01:34] <mjbrooks> GeoForce 7400
[01:35] <mjbrooks> bazooka2th, have you managed to get around it like I have?
[01:35] <bazooka2th> yeah, by not having 3D
[01:35] <BluesKaj> youguys are prolly using the glx-nv driver which is pretty barebones
[01:35] <bazooka2th> not really acceptable workaround
[01:35] <mjbrooks> bazooka2th, right
[01:36] <BluesKaj> ok I have a fix that I found this morning ,btw my card is a geforce 7600gt , so the 7series cards will benefit from this new driver
[01:36] <mjbrooks> There needs to be an apt-get command like apt-get --revert to undue the last update
[01:37] <gbs-wes> What's the fix?
[01:37] <mjbrooks> buy ATI?  ;)
[01:37] <tuxxy> heh you must be joking
[01:38] <gbs-wes> This is fucking infuriating.
[01:38] <mjbrooks> tuxxy, obviously... hence the wink ;)
[01:38] <tuxxy> hehehe phew :D
[01:38] <gbs-wes> I updated freaking bash and firefox. Now my system is useless.
[01:38] <tuxxy> ati drivers are satans works
[01:39] <mjbrooks> gbs-wes, dont' get me started on firefox getting fudged on the last update... ate my profile
[01:39] <BluesKaj> go to nvidia.com and download this driver NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-185.18.36-pkg2.run
[01:39] <BluesKaj> you have to remove the existibf river before installing the new one
[01:39] <BluesKaj> err driver
[01:39] <tuxxy> heh I usually switch over at lapha 5 but by the sounds of this I think it can wait a week or two =/
[01:40] <mjbrooks> tuxxy, Alpha5 was going swimmingly until this last update
[01:40] <gbs-wes> Alpha 5 was perfectly fine until today
[01:40] <BluesKaj> here's the fix http://www.pastebin.ca/1564825
[01:40] <tuxxy> I see, yes they are usually good by the alpha 5
[01:41] <bazooka2th> blues, please send that link again
[01:41] <mjbrooks> BluesKaj, a shorter way of sayign that is "The workaround fox is to manually install the nvidia driver from their website"
[01:42] <pitput> how will 9.10 be different from 9.04?
[01:42] <BluesKaj> nope you DL driver then you close X and install the driver at the TTY prompt
[01:42] <mjbrooks> sadly, I really hate manually installing nvidia
[01:43] <BluesKaj> bazooka2th, http://www.pastebin.ca/1564825
[01:43] <mjbrooks> BluesKaj, uhhh... that's how you do a manual install of nvidia
[01:43] <mostafa_> is there anyone who knows how to add parted magic into the grub?
[01:44] <mjbrooks> I think, before I do a manual install of nvidia.. I will try 173
[01:44] <mostafa_> ie. run it from the hard drive
[01:44] <BluesKaj> well, mjbrooks if that's your definition of a manual install I suppose it is , but you're not compiling so why the semantics ?
[01:45] <mjbrooks> BluesKaj, I didn't say compiling... but downloading and running it from the web is manually installing it.. as opposed to getting it from the official repository
[01:46]  * BluesKaj shrugs ... do what you want...
[01:46] <mjbrooks> Thanks for your permission
[01:47] <BluesKaj> sit here and split hairs over what's a manual vs what automatic ?
[01:47] <gbs-wes> Fun
[01:47] <gbs-wes> Im doing ur workaround right now...
[01:49] <BluesKaj> ok mjbrooks , can you share with us what you would do ?...maybe we can all benefit from your procedure.
[01:50] <dereks_> hey guys, did latest update break sound for anyone else?
[01:50] <gbs-wes> The latest update breaks the fucking universe
[01:50] <dereks> gbs-wes: really?
[01:50] <gbs-wes> A Mozilla dev divided by zero apparently
[01:51] <dereks> lol
[01:52] <bjsnider> the 173 driver is not compatible with the .31 kernel. it will not compile with it
[01:57] <gbs-wes> this day
[01:57] <gbs-wes> Sucks.
[01:58] <mjbrooks> gbs-wes, it isn't so bad
[01:58] <sparr> When I leave my computer on overnight, the screen goes blank.  Changing resolution (via xrandr, or a virtual terminal, or opening a game) or turning the monitor off/on causes it to appear for <1s, then it goes blank again.  Rebooting resolves the problem.  What could cause this?
[01:58] <mjbrooks> gbs-wes, at least you aren't being forced into using windows
[01:58] <gbs-wes> I might just switch.
[01:58]  * mjbrooks loads shotgun
[01:59] <mjbrooks> sparr, powersaving
[01:59] <bjsnider> gbs-wes, a production system should not have karmic on it right now
[01:59] <sparr> mjbrooks: i'd hate to completely turn off powersaving to fix this, but i'll try
[02:00] <gbs-wes> Fair enough. But this should not happen when u upgrade xulrunner either. Ever.
[02:00] <mjbrooks> sparr, turn it off to see if it goes away... if it does then you know you've isolated the problem to it
[02:00] <sparr> will take a few days to test
[02:00] <bjsnider> you can have jaunty back in there in about 90 minutes
[02:01] <gbs-wes> With everything in tact?
[02:01] <bjsnider> all your documents
[02:01] <gbs-wes> How
[02:02] <bjsnider> install from cd without formatting drive
[02:02] <bjsnider> use existing partitions
[02:03] <gbs-wes> sigh... Don't wanna do that
[02:03] <mjbrooks> more like 15-20 minutes
[02:03] <gbs-wes> I'll just never use pre release again
[02:04] <gbs-wes> Apt really does need a rollback option
[02:04] <mjbrooks> gbs-wes, pre-release is for devs and really patient people... oh, and the insane
[02:04] <gbs-wes> Im insane
[02:04] <mjbrooks> bwahahaha
[02:04] <gbs-wes> And switching to windows.
[02:04] <bjsnider> it will be pretty godd by oct 7 or so
[02:04] <mjbrooks> gbs-wes, good luck with that
[02:05] <gbs-wes> Bawwwwwwww
[02:10] <billybigrigger> bjsnider, i'd say it's good october 30th :P
[02:10] <billybigrigger> 7th is tooooo early :P
[02:11] <bjsnider> well that's certainly...your view
[02:12] <billybigrigger> i've been fine with karmic since A1 :) been working great on my system, of course there were bugs along the way, but sheesh, nothing bad enough to deter me to..m$ :(
[02:22] <mjbrooks> RE nvidia bug... users reporting downgrading libc6 and libc6-i686 to 2.10.1-0ubuntu9 corrects the issue:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/+bug/429003
[02:30] <BluesKaj> my nvidia-nv driver worked but at a ver low rate , glxgears was ogiving only 98 fps full scrn whereas now it's 1800 fps full scrn. Google Earth was running in emulation mode so that toldme the driver was iffy . So I installed the proprietary driver from nvidia and all is well , for now.
[02:34] <sparr> BluesKaj: "nvidia" and "nv" are two different drivers
[02:35] <bjsnider> there's no glx extension with the nv driver
[02:35] <bjsnider> nouveau actually works much better at this point in time
[02:36] <nostahl> hi guys
[02:36] <nostahl> how's everyone tonight
[02:36] <BluesKaj> sparr, xserver-xorg-video-nv ..if you lok at the description it's :This driver for the X.Org X server (see xserver-xorg for a further description) provides support for NVIDIA Riva, TNT, GeForce, and Quadro cards.
[02:37] <BluesKaj> are these not nvidia
[02:37] <nostahl> anyone else running apache on karmic?
[02:38] <BluesKaj> anyway , nite all ..tv time
[02:38] <nostahl> wondering if your getting the same thing i am, some times when i click on a link it tries to just let me download the html or php file so i click cancel and then hit the same link again and it serves me the page correctly
[02:43] <mostafa_> is there anybody knows how to made a usb startup parted magic?
[02:44] <mostafa_> cwillu_at_work: is there anybody knows how to made a usb startup parted magic?
[02:47] <bucky> same thing happened to me... latest update broke nvidia-glx  had to fall back to nv
[02:48] <nostahl> check out unetbootin mstafa
[02:49] <nostahl> any of you guys running apache?
[02:51] <billybigrigger> i run apache on my jaunty server
[02:51] <billybigrigger> not karmic
[02:52] <billybigrigger> your problem sounds like apache isn't configured properly and that it isn't parsing php correctly
[02:52] <billybigrigger> check the server guide for more info
[02:52] <nostahl> why would it parse perfectly fine one time and not others thouggh
[02:53] <nostahl> im running a fresh tasksel install lamp-server
[02:53] <bucky> clear your browser cache
[02:54] <nostahl> tried on several browsers
[03:03] <timClicks> does anyone know the GTK theme that ubuntu 9.10 will be running?
[03:03] <billybigrigger> human?
[03:03] <gbs-wes> My day has been completely wasted.
[03:04] <nostahl> whats up gbs-wes
[03:04] <nostahl> you set foot in a radio shack or something? :P
[03:04] <gbs-wes> Nvidia drivers broke with last update and I spent the last 5hrs
[03:04] <gbs-wes> Trying to fix
[03:04] <timClicks> ick
[03:04] <gbs-wes> So sickening
[03:05] <Twigathy> spoilers: ITS AN ALPHA! :-)
[03:05] <Twigathy> Things can and do break :)
[03:13] <test34> I get sound problem in karmic, but if I kill pulseaudio they are resolved, any idea why?
[03:15] <billybigrigger> because it's pulseaudio
[03:15] <billybigrigger> the sound stack is fragile
[03:16] <test34> why do they use it in ubuntu then ? because it makes programming easier?
[03:17] <milos_> test34: it should solve some a lot of problems with audio
[03:17] <test34> milos_, what doyou mean
[03:17] <test34> not using it should solve lots of problems ?
[03:17] <billybigrigger> using it, should solve some audio issues
[03:18] <test34> ok
[03:18] <mjbrooks> PulseAudio is works awesome for those who it works for ;)
[03:19] <test34> I wonder how many people have problems with it and how many doesnt
[03:20] <mjbrooks> too many have issues with it for it to have the role it does right now
[03:20] <test34> it seem that my problems are worst in karmic, but I had some with the stable version too
[03:20] <milos_> test34: One of the goals of PulseAudio is to reroute all sound streams through it, including those from processes that attempt to directly access the hardware (like legacy OSS applications)
[03:20] <test34> mjbrooks, it had this role for years it seems
[03:22] <test34> milos_, it's probably a good idea behind it
[03:23] <milos_> test34: yeah, the idea is, it should solve audio problems
[03:23] <test34> milos_, just not stable enough
[03:24] <milos_> test34: pulseaudio is not stable enough for a loong time
[03:25] <test34> I guess I'll try to disable it completely and see how many problems I get
[03:25]  * JanC has used pulseaudio since back when it was still named polypaudio
[03:26] <test34> you must be happy with it then
[03:26]  * milos_ has zero problems with audio now. Even skype 2.1 works nice!
[03:27] <test34> skype 2.1 is out ? must be pretty new
[03:27] <milos_> test34: it's beta
[03:28] <milos_> test34: http://www.skype.com/intl/en/download/skype/linux/choose/
[03:28] <test34> thanks milos
[03:28] <test34> I guess it's the default d/l from skype.com
[03:29] <milos_> when I download it few days before, it wasn't
[03:29] <test34> do you like it
[03:32] <JanC> maybe the reason that I don't have a lot of issues with pulseaudio is that I use almost no crappy apps like skype  ;)
[03:32] <test34> JanC, it is not skype causing the problems, it is some crappy game
[03:32] <milos_> test34: I didn't use it too much. Before, everytime I install it, I needed to tweak audio. Now it just works.
[03:32] <webbb82> i have a weird bug whenever i come back from hibernation the screen will freeze
[03:34] <test34> I guess with skype 2.1 for ubuntu it's doesnt work right without pulseaudio...
[03:36] <bjsnider> pulseaudio is part of ubuntu
[03:36] <bjsnider> so i'm not sure of the point
[03:39] <webbb82> im trying to run bug buddy but i get this error Either --appname or --package arguments are required.
[03:40] <milos_> webbb82: against what package you want to report bug?
[03:40] <JanC> bug buddy?  why not apport?
[03:40] <webbb82> i dunno where is apport
[03:41] <webbb82> i dont know what package it would be, its when i wake my computer from hibernatioin it will freeze
[03:41] <JanC> apport is the default bug report tool in Ubuntu...
[03:42] <webbb82> Error stating file '/home/brian/apport-': No such file or director
[03:43] <milos_> then it's probably linux package
[03:43] <bjsnider> webbb82, just search google for it
[03:43] <webbb82> i just ran synaptic  and its installed but dont know where to find it or launch it
[03:43] <bjsnider> or stp[ using hibernation
[03:44] <JanC> 'ubuntu-bug' or 'apport-bug' from the commandline
[03:52] <webbb82> whats the web site i want to goto if i want to help testing karmic  isnt it karmin testing team?
[04:12] <test34> milos_, with the new skype it only is able to use pulseaudio and I can't set which sound device it should be using.. is it possible to tell pulseaudio which device to use depending on which application is running ?
[04:18] <webbb82> whats the best way help karmic workout all the bugs
[04:19] <ripps> webbb82: write patches to fix said bugs
[04:19] <mjbrooks> ahhh... much better now that I downgraded libc6 and libc6-i686
[04:21] <IdleOne> webbb82: #ubuntu+1 for karmic issues
[04:21] <IdleOne> ohhh
[04:21] <IdleOne> ummm nm
[04:21] <IdleOne> lol
[04:21] <webbb82> lol
[04:24] <test34> pavucontrol fixed my device problem
[04:24] <mostafa_> can someone help me with changing the 4 grub legacy line command into grub1.96?
[04:25] <billybigrigger> 4 grub legacy line command?
[04:27] <mostafa_> billybigrigger: I mean to change 4 command line into grub1.96
[04:27] <billybigrigger> mostafa_, what is your problem with grub2?
[04:27] <billybigrigger> grub2 is a complete re-write so, it's kind of hard to put them into the same league :P
[04:27] <billybigrigger> mostafa_, forget grub legacy
[04:27] <billybigrigger> what is your problem with grub2
[04:28] <mostafa_> I have these lines from legacy but I don't know how to change them and use in 1.96
[04:28] <mostafa_> these are the lines
[04:28] <mostafa_> title Parted Magic Linux 3.x
[04:28] <zj3t3mju> i have problem with nvidia driver
[04:28] <mostafa_> find --set-root /pmagic-grub4dos.iso
[04:28] <mostafa_> map /pmagic-grub4dos.iso (hd32)
[04:28] <mostafa_> map --hook
[04:28] <mostafa_> root (hd32)
[04:28] <mostafa_> chainloader (hd32)
[04:28] <MindVirus1> Does anyone have issues with podsleuth?
[04:29] <bjsnider> zj3t3mju, you and everybody else
[04:29] <zj3t3mju> :|
[04:29] <zj3t3mju> i have unload it :P
[04:29] <bjsnider> if it's not fixed in 2 hours, call the president
[04:29] <billybigrigger> !grub2 mostafa_
[04:29] <billybigrigger> !grub2
[04:29] <zj3t3mju> bjsnider: funny
[04:29] <billybigrigger> mostafa_, read it ^^
[04:30] <bjsnider> billybigrigger, use the pipe character
[04:30] <billybigrigger> :) | bjsnider
[04:30] <billybigrigger> pipe a smile
[04:30] <billybigrigger> don't use ubottu all that much, but thanks for the tip :P
[04:30] <bjsnider> thanks ubottu
[04:31] <mostafa_> billybigrigger: you mean I could change them by reading that
[04:31] <mostafa_> ?
[04:31] <billybigrigger> mostafa_, you don't listen to well
[04:31] <billybigrigger> forget grub legacy
[04:31] <billybigrigger> read the wiki page
[04:31] <billybigrigger> if you have a question after reading the wiki, i'd be more than glad to help
[04:32] <mostafa_> billybigrigger:K I wish I could solve that
[04:32] <billybigrigger> it's fairly simple to add entries to grub 2
[04:32] <billybigrigger> it's all in the wiki
[04:40] <mostafa_> billybigrigger: I changed them but there is a problem there .for example I have "map --hook" and now changed into
[04:41] <mostafa_> billybigrigger: "drivemap --XXXX" what happend to hook then?
[04:41] <kelvie> Anyone have suspend-to-ram broken in the latest karmic?
[04:41] <mostafa_> billybigrigger: R U there?
[04:42] <billybigrigger> mostafa_, you shouldn't need drivemap, because it isn't a grub2 command
[04:43] <billybigrigger> my bad
[04:43] <billybigrigger> it is, map was replaced by drivemap
[04:43] <mostafa_> billybigrigger: np ;)
[04:44] <mostafa_> billybigrigger: what does my bad means actually?
[04:44] <billybigrigger> you need to specify a device
[04:45] <mostafa_> billybigrigger: asking or sth else?
[04:45] <billybigrigger> sth?
[04:45] <mostafa_> sht=something
[04:45] <mostafa_> sth=something
[04:45] <billybigrigger> you need to specify a device, ie devicemap hd0,1 hd1,0
[04:46] <billybigrigger> devicemap hd0 hd1
[04:46] <mostafa_> hd0,1
[04:46] <billybigrigger> *HINT*
[04:46] <billybigrigger> loopback loop (hd0,7)/sidux.iso
[04:46] <billybigrigger> linux (loop)/boot/vmlinuz boot=fll quiet vga=791 fromiso=/sidux.iso
[04:46] <billybigrigger> initrd (loop)/boot/miniroot.gz
[04:46] <billybigrigger> boot
[04:46] <billybigrigger> google is your friend, google "grub2 boot from iso"
[04:47] <billybigrigger> usually the first hit works fairly well...so there you go :)
[04:47] <billybigrigger> i'm off to bed
[04:47] <mostafa_> thanks
[04:58] <stout> I suffer odd problems under Alpha 5.
[04:58] <stout> Alpha 4 worked fine, and 9.04 works fine
[04:59] <stout> but under Alpha 5 with the new 185 nvidia drivers, it boots, I get teh splash screen, then it blinks off and I get a regular old skool console login screen, then it blanks again and then I get another old skool console login screen again
[04:59] <stout> does that 3 times and then it just stays blank
[04:59] <stout> Xorg.0.log tells me that malloc() thinks ram is corrupted
[05:00] <stout> I might believe it except I just reinstalled 9.04 and behold, I'm running X again.
[05:00] <bjsnider> stout, the nvidia drivers were broken by a recent update to an unrelated package
[05:00] <stout> Ah, awesome, so you already know about this then
[05:00] <stout> My job is done :)
[05:01] <bjsnider> no, your job is just beginning
[05:01] <stout> D'oh!
[05:01] <stout> Alright, so when should I be trying Alpha 5 again?
[05:01] <stout> (when is the package going to be fixed?)
[05:01] <bjsnider> hop up and down on one leg while holding your nose
[05:02]  * stout hops up and down on his left leg while holding his nose with his right hand
[05:02] <bjsnider> that didn't fix the problem, but i wanted to see if you'd do it
[05:02] <stout> :)
[05:02] <bjsnider> i'd recommend trying karmic again on roughly october 30
[05:02] <stout> This Quassel client is kind of neat, never used it before
[05:03] <stout> holy cow, Oct30?
[05:03] <bjsnider> yes, october 30
[05:03] <stout> I have another question, related to audio
[05:03] <stout> This has been the case for me ever since the nvidia 183 drivers have come out...
[05:03] <bjsnider> there are no 183 drivers
[05:04] <stout> Not anymore there aren't
[05:04] <bjsnider> there never were
[05:04] <stout> and if I had known all knowledge oftheir existance would be wiped from the web I would have taken some screen shots
[05:04] <stout> But I used them for a few months
[05:04] <stout> regardless though, here is an issue I've had for about a year
[05:04] <bjsnider> the nvidia driver has nothing to do with audio
[05:05] <stout> it does on the 8200 chipset
[05:05] <bjsnider> you mean hdmi audio?
[05:05]  * stout nods
[05:05] <bjsnider> my understanding is that works fine
[05:06] <bjsnider> but i don't use it. it isn't being sold except on board with the 9300 chip
[05:06] <mostafa_> billybigrigger: r u there?
[05:06] <mostafa_> billybigrigger: just one question
[05:09] <stout> I don't get any audio out of ubuntu until I run around adding myself to pulse-rt and pulse-access groups, sacrificing chickens, and configuring all kindso f jazz under pulseaudio
[05:10]  * StevenMyers loves his 9.04
[05:11] <StevenMyers> I'll wait until the 29th of next month to upgrade to the candidate of Karmic
[05:11] <bjsnider> stout, the groups isue was removed in pulse 9.16
[05:12] <stout_> I don't get any audio out of ubuntu until I run around adding myself to pulse-rt and pulse-access groups, sacrificing chickens, and configuring all kindso f jazz under pulseaudio
[05:12] <stout_> I don't get any audio out of ubuntu until I run around adding myself to pulse-rt and pulse-access groups, sacrificing chickens, and configuring all kindso f jazz under pulseaudio
[05:12] <stout_> What's the possibility we could at least get the group additions whacked out of the way?
[05:12] <stout_> I'm currently learning C and I'm willing to write a utility eventualy to handle the chicken sacrifices, but group additions would be a handy start
[05:13] <stout_> compiling Bx for this thing might increase in priority here shortly too
[05:13] <ShapeShifter499> I have a acer aspire one with karmic alpha 5 on it and I can't use the built in web cam, how do I make the cam work?
[05:16] <bjsnider> stout, i just told you that in karmic it is out of the way
[05:16] <stout_> I must have missed that due to my ping timeout
[05:17] <stout_> unless you mean the part where you said it supposedly works fine
[05:17] <ShapeShifter499> well?
[05:17] <mjbrooks> I added a comment on Bug #429003 listing the workarounds for the current NVidia breakage cause by libc6
[05:17] <stout_> And yes, hdmi audio can be configured to work fine, after you get ubuntu to realize there is even an hdmi device
[05:21] <ShapeShifter499> well? anyone know? I'm assuming not
[05:26] <MindVirus1> Have there been large amounts of bugfixes to pulseaudio today?
[05:28] <mroc> hi.  does xsplash need to be run with sudo to change options (i.e. - background image, etc.)?
[05:33] <h00k> I should probably look  for a bug on this one.  The installer doesn't let me manually partition my netbook
[05:33] <h00k> I have been talking about it before
[05:33] <h00k> (in specific, the netbook remix)
[05:36] <mroc> does xsplash need to be run with sudo to change background image, etc.? (sorry for repeating the question)
[05:48] <billybigrigger> MindVirus1, there were a few fixes
[05:48] <MindVirus1> billybigrigger: What fixes?
[05:49] <billybigrigger> check
[05:49] <billybigrigger> i don't have my mailserver running, so i can't check the announce list
[06:01] <MindVirus1> billybigrigger: where can I check?
[06:01] <billybigrigger> the mailing list
[06:22] <RizR> nm-applet doesnt start automatically when system resumes from a suspend. have to run manually and gotta re-enter network key. tested with wireless only
[06:41] <sarthor> Hi, i am using juanty, have dual head VGA Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G400/G450, my screen resolution in "system--> preferences--> Display"is only 800:600 Max, how to increase resolution, Help
[06:48] <mjbrooks> sarthor, have you tried asking in #ubuntu ? #ubunutu+1 if for the development of Karmic
[06:48] <sarthor> mjbrooks, i am asking there also,
[06:48] <sarthor> thank you, Will ask there again.
[07:11] <Mike1> powertop gives me segfaults … is this a known bug?
[07:18] <sparr> mjbrooks: still here?
[07:20] <Mike1> i wantz powertop! :-(
[07:52] <Mike1> i wantz powertop! :-(
[08:08] <bazooka2th> what are the packages ubuntu imnimal and ubuntu standard?
[08:08] <bazooka2th> minimal, i mean
[08:09] <shoonya>  facing problem installing karmic alpha 5, the problem is related to screen resolution (not vesa) but related to X (gdm not running)
[08:09] <shoonya> is there a way to do text mode install or set the resolution for X to something like 1024x768
[08:10] <shoonya> any help ?
[08:13] <Mike1> shoonya: whar does Xorg.0.log say?
[08:15] <shoonya> i need to check that. What is the "root" password for console login ?
[08:15] <Mike1> there is none, ithink
[08:15] <Mike1> just `sudo -i` and no PW
[08:16] <shoonya> there is no GUI (X mode) and when i try CTRL+F1 (F2...) i need to login there
[08:17] <Mike1> name is ubuntu
[08:17] <shoonya> and i am prompted for a password if i try to login as root
[08:17] <shoonya> ok, let me try
[08:18] <shoonya> hmm...
[08:19] <shoonya> i tried user=pass=ubuntu does not work, user=root, pass=ubuntu does not work
[08:19] <shoonya> Mike1: is there any thing else that i can try ?
[08:20] <bazooka2th> hey mjbrooks: thanks so much for your post on launchpad.
[08:21] <Mike1> shoonya: you could do alternate install
[08:21] <Mike1> and try to solve the problem after it‘s installed
[08:23] <bazooka2th> guys, if you are talking about nvidia problems, please read https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/+bug/429003?comments=all
[08:23] <bazooka2th> last post
[08:23] <bazooka2th> lol hivemind
[08:30] <shoonya> Mike1: i tried "Safe Mode" but resulted in same problem
[08:31] <Mike1> shoonya: try the normal start but add a 1 to the kernel line
[08:44] <shoonya> Mike1: i am facing the problem while installing karmic (i.e when i boot the CD and X is started)
[09:38] <floating1> what was the proper way to deal with the case when it suggests a partial upgrade
[09:38] <duffydack> whats with the latest daily-live images.  they dont boot
[09:40] <duffydack> floating1, go with it
[09:42] <floating1> okey. i remember someone before saying that one should do something else. tried to google a bit but.. i have usually done the partial upgrades
[09:46] <duffydack> floating1, if its such a big update that it needs to do partial, then just go with it
[09:48] <floating1> ok
[09:51] <floating1> it's bee almost 3 weeks since i opened this system. I chose "close" when it suggested partial upgrade. then it showed the list where some of the items were tagged and some not, so i thought that it had chosen the items there that would be updated in partial upgrade, so i pressed 'install updates' .. after installing i got some errors, tried to press ctrl+c on the details window, but it just asked whether i want to terminate that prog, so i couldnt copy
[09:51] <floating1> there were some 3-4 updates listed in the errors
[09:51] <floating1> now it is trying to retrieve available software updates but it is not loading... or it has tried to load those updates for few minutes now
[09:54] <floating1> well, i could leave the package manager, it is showing the "package manager is working" icon,i'll let it work for a while then
[09:59] <yofel> floating1: instead of doing a partial update with update-manager you should rather run 'sudo aptitude safe-upgrade' in a terminal.
[10:00] <yofel> update manager has a tendency to do rather stupid things on partial updates
[10:00] <floating1> things got bad now
[10:00] <floating1> i did apt-get update on terminal, and then i got message that i should reboot to finish updates
[10:01] <floating1> i have xubuntu version, trying to click the topright icon to choose the shut down/reboot didnt work
[10:01] <floating1> opening a terminal didnt work
[10:01] <yofel> does Ctrl+Alt+F2 still work?
[10:02] <floating1> i did ctrl-alt-f1 and logged in and did sudo reboot... now when it restarts, it goes to that ctrl-alt-f1 screen... if i go ctrl-alt-f8, it gives some ACPI [ok] window there.. as if the booting x is half-way ? i donno
[10:02] <floating1> ctrl-alt-f2 looks same as f1 screen but im not logged, it does work
[10:02] <floating1> sorry apm_level OFF [ok]
[10:02] <floating1> at f8
[10:03] <yofel> and on f7?
[10:03] <floating1> that dont work
[10:03] <floating1> nothign happens
[10:03] <yofel> ok... no X
[10:03] <floating1> should i try that safe-upgrade from the tty1 ?
[10:04] <floating1> oops
[10:04] <yofel> what happens if you restart gdm? (sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart)
[10:04] <floating1> i have no internet there
[10:04] <floating1> is that xdm for xubuntu ?
[10:04] <mvo> yofel: if you have specific examples where it acts stupid, that would be appreciated, some things here got fixed this cycle
[10:04] <yofel> mvo: ok, haven't used it for quite a while, will try it again :)
[10:05] <Ian_Corne> ubuntu usb startupdisk creator requires fat on the stick :(
[10:05] <floating1> no xdm, it was gdm, it said stopping gnome services ok, starting gnome services ok
[10:05] <floating1> stopping gnome display manager *
[10:06] <floating1> nothing else after those 2 lines, f7 dont do anything, f8 same as before
[10:06] <mvo> thanks yofel - its (probably) still not perfect :/
[10:07] <floating1> can i connect it to internet and do safe-upgrade, or what should i try
[10:07] <floating1> at tty1 it is not connected
[10:09] <yofel> floating1: can you check at the end of /var/log/Xorg.0.log why X doesn't start? look for [EE] or segfault
[10:12] <floating1> only 1 EE, failed to load module "i810" (module does not exists,0) no string 'seg' at the file
[10:13] <floating1> donoz how to check what line, but not near end that EE
[10:13] <floating1> cant locate by scrolling
[10:13] <yofel> hm, that sounds like you have a intel graphics card and it can't find the driver o.O
[10:15] <floating1> it loads the vesa after that error and unloading of that
[10:16] <floating1> later it loads submodule fg, and unloads vesa.. i dont know if it is relevant or anything
[10:16] <floating1> fb even
[10:18] <floating1> yeah it7s dell with integrated intel
[10:20] <yofel> floating1: can you make sure the driver is there? (modinfo i810)
[10:21] <floating1> yeah it is
[10:22] <yofel> hm....
[10:23] <Michalxo> hello
[10:23] <Michalxo> anyone experiencing this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/429249
[10:27] <AlanBell> I am getting lots of apache segfaults on Karmic. It could be my setup though. Anyone else seen this?
[10:28] <floating1> the update wanted to update grub and some services to be run, i left them to defaults.. if that matters.  I set the timeout in grub back to something else than 0, and tried to reboot different kernels but that didnt work :x
[10:28] <floating1> i guess i could have excluded that test :)
[10:29] <yofel> floating1: you said there were updates in the upgrade, can you check what went wrong in /var/log/apt/term.log ?
[10:30] <floating1> in tty1 it says kinit: trying to resume from tty7, kinit: no resume image doing normal boot... some render errors before that
[10:30] <yofel> and can you get wired internet connection maybe?
[10:30] <floating1> it is on wired connection, but i dont understand why tty1 is not online
[10:31] <floating1> should i try connect it with something.. ifup or how was it
[10:31] <yofel> floating1: what's your setup? internet over router?
[10:32] <floating1> shared school connection integrated to the room walls, which i have conected to wlan+switch system, from there a LAN port to that pc
[10:33] <floating1> rj-45 to switch, from switch rj-45 to pc
[10:34] <yofel> did you need to set some things in NM first to use it or does it work over DHCP?
[10:34] <AlanBell> ah, the segfaults seem to be bug 424789
[10:35] <floating1> in term.log there are lot of "dependendacy problems, but removing anyway as you requested"
[10:35] <floating1> works over dhcp without hassle, also works with certain manual ips
[10:36] <yofel> floating1: does ifconfig give you an IP for your interface?
[10:37] <yofel> and do you have a nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf?
[10:37] <floating1> "unable to initialize gnome, is libgnome2-perl installed ?"
[10:38] <floating1> there is just text "generated by network manager"
[10:39] <floating1> nope, ifconfig just gives "lo"
[10:40] <floating1> 127.0.0.1 with details
[10:42] <yofel> lo, should always be there, but not the only one o.O
[10:44] <yofel> does dmesg give you anything useful regarding network (and can you pastebin the term.log from your other pc somehow?)
[10:44] <floating1> feels like i kind of predicted problems cus i came here to ask about the partial upgrade without any real concerns
[10:45] <arand> If "lo" is alone there, sound like drivers for network thingy is not properly present/configured
[10:47] <floating1> im gonna eat now, i can later try debug this problem more with you or other ppl a bit, but i can just do a clean new install too, so I don]t know how much i want to try get to the bottom of this
[10:47] <floating1> at quick glance, cant see much at dmesg but i report more on that l8r
[10:47] <yofel> floating1: maybe first try booting with an older kernel
[10:48] <floating1> i tried that, but same thing, 4 different kernels... i think this partial upgrade added 1 or even 2 new kernels there..i thought i had 2 there, but now there is 4
[10:48] <floating1> its been aroudn 3 weeks before i started this system so
[10:48] <floating1> but ->
[10:50] <floating1> oh yeah and thanks for help so far, i have to go out for a while too. in 2h or so i get back to it i think
[10:50] <yofel> well, good luck then, I won't be there, maybe the others know more
[11:53] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yoy
[12:04] <Ian_Corne> !schedule
[12:11] <judgen> How do i pin a package in karmic?
[12:13] <TheInfinity> like in jaunty
[12:24] <judgen> TheInfinity, huh? the pin list does not exist in my install...
[12:24] <judgen> where is it located nowdays?
[12:29] <judgen> aaah the default pinninf file is just missing by default... i created one and now im set.
[12:32] <daemonk1> Hi all, I am having a problem with my Nvidia restricted drivers, since yesterday X will only boot with the standard module, with the rerstricted module I get the nvidia splash screen and then a blank screen and then the nvidia splash screen and this loops. I have tried the previous kernel and the same problem exists. Anyone else experiencing this?
[12:36] <Dr_Willis> Not seen it yet daemonk1  I just upgraded however.
[12:36] <Dr_Willis> Will proberly reboot in a few and check.
[13:05] <Timothe> Hi peops,I've got a problem with 9.10
[13:05] <Timothe> Since I pressed Restart system (after I installed all packages n stuff) it didn't start up anymore
[13:05] <Timothe> only thing I see is the startup loading bar
[13:05] <Timothe> and then a NVIDIA Banner
[13:05] <indus> hi
[13:05] <Timothe> and then nothing but a blinking _
[13:05] <Timothe> hi indus
[13:06] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Nvidia is working here. I just update/upgraded/rebooted
[13:06] <TheInfinity> Timothe: look @ xorg log
[13:06] <Dr_Willis> 8800gtsxxx video card
[13:06] <Timothe> TheInfinity, where can I see that log?:)
[13:06] <indus> Timothe: how exactly did u upgrade?
[13:06] <Timothe> well
[13:06] <Timothe> I was on 9.04
[13:06] <TheInfinity> you try an alpha and you dont know how to watch logs? huh.
[13:06] <Timothe> :p
[13:06] <indus> Timothe: cat /var/log/Xorg.log
[13:06] <Timothe> I must admit I am stupid :d
[13:06] <indus> Timothe: me too
[13:07] <indus> Timothe: easy way is from system>administration>system log viewer
[13:07] <plagerism> Anyone know if  you can still have multiple Server stanzas in gdm?  The gdm.conf seems to have been removed. custom.conf is still there
[13:07] <Timothe> I'm starting up pc now
[13:10] <Timothe> at that it says: No such file or directory
[13:10] <Dr_Willis> gdm configs are totally confused to me now. They got some xml config file.  that dosent have all the comments of the old config.
[13:11] <TheInfinity> Timothe: bug 429003
[13:13] <nemo> Dr_Willis: my nvidia broke yesterday as well
[13:14] <Timothe> TheInfinity, so is it 'fixable'?
[13:14] <nemo> I'm using nv at the moment, haven't gotten around to fixing my screen resolutions, which were not really detected correctly by conf
[13:15] <nemo> well, my nvidia probably broke before yesterday, maybe whenever 185.36 was released, but I didn't reboot 'till yesterday afternoon
[13:15] <nemo> BTW, kind of annoying I can't revert to 185.31 or anything else in -180 - they all seem to have vanished.
[13:16] <TheInfinity> Timothe: just wait until fix is released
[13:16] <judgen> Dr_Willis, as they are rewriting gdm for hardy it might not be fully featured yet.
[13:16] <judgen> Dr_Willis, I solved the problem by installing gdm from jaunty and pinning it..
[13:16] <indus> rewriring formeanmic u
[13:16] <Timothe> so I can basically not use my PC until a fix is released?:P
[13:16] <nemo> Timothe: use nv
[13:16] <indus> rewriting for karmic u mean
[13:16] <judgen> Timothe, use the nv driver instead of nvidia's
[13:17] <Timothe> okay
[13:17] <Timothe> sudo apt-get install nv ?
[13:17] <judgen> indus, indeed
[13:17] <nemo> Timothe: no
[13:17] <judgen> indus, so many names nowdays
[13:17] <nemo> oh. that reminds me
[13:17] <indus> yeah
[13:17] <indus> when is alpha 6 btw
[13:17] <nemo> what's driving me bonkers is  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  exits without doing anything
[13:17] <Pici> !schedule
[13:17] <indus> beta is 24th hooray?
[13:18] <nemo> my speculation is maaaaybe it does that to avoid conflicting with the nvidia xorg config tool
[13:18] <duffydack> just installed alpha5, booted fine, ran an upgrade, it updated a ton of stuff including kernel, and asked me what to do about grub config, I said install package maintainers version, rebooted and getting invalid pointer and wont boot
[13:18] <nemo> so I ended up using one of my old xorg.confs to avoid having to recreate it by hand
[13:18] <indus> Pici: i know that link, someone post it here easier :)
[13:18] <nemo> that's the main reason my screen resolutions are wrong
[13:18] <judgen> duffydack, OUCH i just did exactly that, but i havent rebooted yet.
[13:18] <nemo> if there's a way to force dpkg-reconfigure to do what I want, that'd be lovely
[13:18] <nemo> would make waiting for the nvidia fix more pleasant
[13:19] <indus> whats wrogn with nvidia?
[13:19] <nemo> indus: it broke recently
[13:19] <duffydack> its triple booting with xp (sda1) 9.04 (sda3) and 9.10 (sda7)  xp boots, but neither of the ubuntus boot
[13:19] <nemo> indus: xorg log just shows the word "Backtrace:" on last line, with no further detail
[13:19] <indus> nemo: yikes when, ]
[13:19] <nemo> indus: well, I noticed it when I rebooted yesterday
[13:19] <indus> nemo: it was working ok yesterday for me
[13:19] <nemo> I'm guessing with release of 185.36
[13:20] <nemo> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G72 [GeForce 7300 LE] (rev a1)
[13:20] <indus> nemo: hihihihih cool ill upgrade and reboot
[13:20] <duffydack> any solution?
[13:20] <indus> nemo: no no thats old now i already have it
[13:20] <nemo> that's why I'm griping about 185.31 being pulled
[13:20] <nemo> indus: well. I suspect it is card specific - that's how these things usually work
[13:20] <indus> nemo: what card
[13:20] <nemo> someone does some minimal testing on one or two cards, then push it out to the rest of us :)
[13:20] <nemo> indus: I just pasted my card.
[13:21] <nemo> as for Timothe ...
[13:21] <nemo> Timothe: what card?
[13:21] <indus> nemo: sorry ill check
[13:21] <nemo> btw. that "minimal testing" I blame on nvidia, not ubuntu :-p
[13:21] <nemo> sometimes I wonder if they even have a linux test lab
[13:22] <Timothe> Well, I just put in my 9.04 cd
[13:22] <nemo> oh. and I tried every recent .31 and .28 kernel with the -173 and -180 drivers
[13:22] <indus> nemo: hmm i think its not nvidia's fault since they have most users windows
[13:22] <Timothe> and I will installl that1 for now
[13:22] <indus> nemo: i couldnt see the paste
[13:22] <nemo> indus: dude. they are a major manufacturer.  test labs are not expensive
[13:22] <indus> nemo: too tiring
[13:22] <nemo> 08:20 < nemo> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G72 [GeForce 7300 LE] (rev a1)
[13:22] <nemo> 08:20 < indus> nemo: hihihihih cool ill upgrade and reboot
[13:22]  * nemo smacks indus 
[13:23] <indus> nemo: well, their drivers are stable but you using alpha ubuntu kernel changes
[13:23] <nemo> indus: as I said, I tried it in every recent .28 and .31
[13:23] <indus> nemo: nvidia need to keep up with ubuntu during alpha
[13:23] <nemo> no change
[13:23] <nemo> it isn't ubuntu's fault
[13:23] <indus> nemo: ya filed a bug?
[13:23] <nemo> nope.
[13:23] <indus> nemo: they will forward it to nvidia
[13:23] <Timothe> well I believe I have a 8600 GT card nemo :D
[13:23] <nemo> main reason, spent most of yesterday getting to an actual, oh, desktop
[13:24] <indus> nemo: i have 7600 gt works super
[13:24] <nemo> so filing a bug was... problematic
[13:24] <nemo> indus: "works super" is not really helpful :-p
[13:24] <nemo> obviously it works for some people
[13:24] <indus> nemo: with 180.36
[13:24] <nemo> or we wouldn'tve gotten it pushed out, and the old version removed
[13:24] <indus> nemo: also, i didnt see issues on the forums
[13:24] <indus> nemo: not many anyways
[13:24] <nemo> indus: there are a few forum threads springing up
[13:24] <nemo> yeah. is happening gradually
[13:25] <indus> nemo: hmm probably some issue with LE cards
[13:25] <nemo> BTW, I also tried regenerating my xorg
[13:25] <nemo> indus: no. Timothe has an 8600 GT
[13:25] <indus> nemo: was an update yesterday?
[13:25] <nemo> you're not much into reading are you :-p  more of a "responding" person ;)
[13:25] <indus> nemo: i think i might have missed this
[13:25] <nemo> indus: well. recently.
[13:25] <nemo> I hadn't rebooted for a few days, so was likely using older driver
[13:25] <nemo> I infer it was the .36 since that was most recent release
[13:26] <duffydack> I`m lost..  any ideas on how to fix my boot?
[13:26] <indus> anywyas gtg, always difficult to troubleshoot nvidia/ati unless a fix arrives
[13:26] <indus> kinda like flash
[13:26] <indus> or until more consensus on the forums
[13:26] <nemo> duffydack: you using ext3 or ext4?
[13:26] <indus> bye
[13:26] <duffydack> nemo, ext4
[13:27] <nemo> duffydack: you might want to upgrade to grub2
[13:27] <nemo> duffydack: although the patches for grub1 *should* be ok unless "something went wrong"
[13:27] <duffydack> nemo, fresh install of alpha5, upgraded.
[13:27] <nemo> you're on grub2?
[13:27] <nemo> pretty sure grub2 isn't default yet
[13:28] <duffydack> nemo, installed ok, and booted.  upgdated packages (kernel updates too) and cant boot
[13:28] <Timothe> nemo, I'm not sure, but I think in the CD install from 9.10 grub2 is default.
[13:28] <duffydack> nemo, I dont know what grub it is.. whatever it installs
[13:28] <Timothe> I read it today
[13:28] <Timothe> sec I'll look into it
[13:28] <nemo> mm. I doon't think so
[13:28] <nemo> from my reboots yesterday, my home computer was still on grub1
[13:29] <nemo> my laptop is on grub2 but that's 'cause I deliberately updated it
[13:29] <duffydack> nemo, xp boots, but both 9.04/9.10 dont
[13:29] <nemo> duffydack: you said that already
[13:29] <Timothe> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha5
[13:29] <duffydack> invalid pointer #4000 (or something similar)
[13:29] <Timothe> ext4 by default
[13:29] <Timothe> GRUB2 by default
[13:30] <nemo> Existing systems will not be upgraded to GRUB 2 at this time, as automatically reinstalling the boot loader is an inherently risky operation.
[13:30] <Timothe> yes that is true
[13:30] <duffydack> luckily I have a clonezilla backup of my whole system..
[13:30] <nemo> duffydack: was this a fresh install or an upgrade of jaunty?
[13:30] <duffydack> fresh.... with 6gb free space i made
[13:30] <duffydack> I have jaunty installed also
[13:30] <nemo> ok.
[13:30] <nemo> so that means you had grub1
[13:30] <duffydack> dual booted with xp at the time.
[13:30] <nemo> and it was NOT fresh :-p
[13:30] <nemo> duffydack: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Grub2Testing
[13:31] <Timothe> I'm not installing 8.10 without formatting the hdd
[13:31] <nemo> duffydack: do that
[13:31] <Timothe> and I'm importing my 9.10 account
[13:31] <Timothe> I'm curious about what will happen
[13:31] <nemo> ... installing 8.10?
[13:31] <nemo> importing 9.10?
[13:31]  * nemo shrugs
[13:32] <Timothe> The virtual kernel image has been built without virtio drivers, so installing using the "minimal virtual" option from the Ubuntu Server Alpha 5 will result in an unusable system after reboot. This problem also affects users of the linux-image-virtual kernel package who have installed from earlier alphas. Users are advised to wait until Alpha 6 before installing or upgrading. (423426)
[13:33] <Timothe> well yes nemo
[13:33] <Timothe> :p
[13:33] <nemo> ... why would you ask about installing 8.10 in #ubuntu+1 ?
[13:33] <Timothe> nemo, I put in some old 8.10 cd (need to get a new one lol), and I pressed at: don't format, and then it said: another system was found on the hdd, would you like to import your account settings from that 1
[13:34] <Timothe> I was liek: OK! :D
[13:34] <nemo> Timothe: as for your 9.10 account, most likely your gnome settings will be completely screwed up
[13:34] <Timothe> so I'm wondering whether it will work yes or no
[13:34] <nemo> the gconf format has changed
[13:34] <nemo> as long as you don't care about your theming or similar prefs...
[13:34] <Timothe> Well I don't care :D
[13:34] <Timothe> I've got my backup at another hdd
[13:35] <nemo> what do you care about then?
[13:35] <nemo> (in your $HOME
[13:35] <nemo> )
[13:35] <Timothe> About a working linux :D
[13:35] <Timothe> well
[13:35] <Timothe> I installed linux yesterday agaiun
[13:35] <nemo> Timothe: dude. are you just doing this due to the nvidia driver foulup?
[13:35] <Timothe> after screwing up some things
[13:35] <Dr_Willis> 'theres no place like $HOME'
[13:35] <nemo> Timothe: as we said. just use nv
[13:36] <Timothe> well, as I am as experienced as a guy using linux for one week
[13:36] <Timothe> I was liek: ok don't go alpha
[13:36] <Timothe> keep 9.04
[13:36] <Timothe> :D
[13:36] <nemo> you're using linux for one week and you're on karmic, and have an 8.10 CD...
[13:36] <nemo> 'k.
[13:36] <Timothe> no
[13:36] <Timothe> I'm using it for about half a year
[13:36] <Timothe> but well, I still don't really know much about linux :P
[13:37] <Timothe> command line -> I just know a few commands :(
[13:37] <Timothe> just like sudo, apt-get, mv, rm, and some others
[13:37] <Timothe> I know the things which were important for me to know
[13:38] <Timothe> are*
[13:39] <nemo> http://files.fosswire.com/2007/08/fwunixref.pdf :)
[13:39] <Timothe> nemo, as I actually want to improve with linux, are there websites which are having nice articles n stuff?
[13:39] <Timothe> mm nice
[13:39] <Timothe> thanks
[13:39] <nemo> dunno. I'm more of a learn-by-doing kinda person. and depends on your goals really
[13:40] <nemo> you wanting to learn sysadmin? routing/networking? development?
[13:40] <nemo> aaanyway.
[13:40] <nemo> none of this is getting me any closer to a working nvidia ;)
[13:40] <Timothe> haha
[13:40] <Timothe> I am not getting you closer to a working nvidia
[13:40] <Timothe> :P
[13:40] <nemo> Sooo. I'm not at home right now, but it has been fairly well behaved in the dozen or so reboots yesterday
[13:41] <nemo> so I'm fine with some remote debugging
[13:41] <nemo> could someone here tell me how to get to older, deprecated, versions of the driver in the -180 line?
[13:41] <nemo> specifically 185.31
[13:41] <nemo> I'd like to try installing that, rebooting, and seeing if GDM still crashes
[13:42] <nemo> that'd be directed at Dr_Willis I guess :-p
[13:42] <nemo> given no one else seems to be awake
[13:43] <Celtiore> hi
[13:43] <Celtiore> nemo, you need to install envyng-gtk and you can choose the last 3 drivers for nvidia
[13:44] <Celtiore> > sudo envyng -t // to start
[13:45] <nemo> hm.
[13:45] <nemo> thanks
[13:45] <nemo> Timothe: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/+bug/429003 <- this miiiight be my bug maybe
[13:46] <nemo> but I need to actually get a core file to know for sure
[13:46] <Timothe> I can't help ya xD
[13:47] <plagerism> nemo:  I had that problem this weekend as well, not sure if someone said this, but if you downgrade libc to the version before it also fixes libgl provided by nvidia drivers
[13:48] <plagerism> libc6_2.10.1-0ubuntu9_*.deb
[13:48] <plagerism> and libc6-i686 and libc6-dev
[13:48] <plagerism> It worked for me on two systems
[13:49] <jtholmes> is it just me or have others had problems getting kubuntu/ubuntu live cd's to boot and run?
[13:49] <nemo> plagerism: thanks. appreciated.
[13:49] <Timothe> I think it's just you jtholmes
[13:49] <nemo> Timothe: heard that?
[13:49] <Timothe> I heard that
[13:49] <Timothe> but I actually got my system up onw
[13:50] <Timothe> from just before the upgrade to 9.10
[13:50] <Timothe> :P
[13:50] <nemo> plagerism: mm. I'm a bit more familiar w/ gentoo I'm afraid - how do you force a version from apt-get since I don't have access to synaptic ?
[13:51] <jtholmes> tried two diff burners and 3 diff machines and all give login prompt just after starting squashfs both  9/12 and 9/13  live cd's
[13:51] <nemo> jtholmes: sooo anything in the Xorg.0.log? :)
[13:51] <plagerism> nemo if you upgraded lately, go to /var/cache/apt/archive and you should find the files in there
[13:51] <plagerism> then just do a dpkg -i on the files
[13:51] <nemo> oh. good idea
[13:52] <plagerism> and then you can just lock the version for a bit in synaptic
[13:52] <jtholmes> nemo since it dumps to login just after starting squashfs i dont know where it would write the x.org.log file
[13:53] <nemo> jtholmes: ... you mean it didn't even setup the filesystem? I was assuming error on starting X
[13:54] <jtholmes> nemo no this is early on in casper just after it accesses squashfs never get to do the install or boot the rest of the live cd
[13:55] <nemo> plagerism: sweet. that did it. awesomeness
[13:55] <nemo> thanks man
[13:55] <nemo> so it *was* due to nvidia having issues keeping pace w/ upgrades :)
[13:55] <Timothe> nemo, now your on desktop?:D
[13:55] <nemo> switching kernels would do jack all
[13:56] <nemo> Timothe: well, I would be, theoretically, if I was at the computer
[13:56] <nemo> but the logs are all normal
[13:56] <nemo> and I was on my desktop before, is just that now I'm on my desktop w/ GL acceleration and proper resolution :)
[13:57] <nostahl> mornin guys
[13:57] <nostahl> how goes the nvidia graphics
[13:57] <nemo> plagerism: BTW, is there a tracking bug on this libc incompatibility?
[13:57] <nemo> s/tracking//
[13:58] <nostahl> is there a way to enable commands like /j #ubuntu+1 with empathy?
[13:58] <nostahl> couldnt find anything on their site
[13:58] <nemo> plagerism: WRT locking version, I think I'm going to skip that since I've had bad habit of forgetting to remove those in the past :)
[13:59] <nemo> plagerism: I'll just be careful to refuse libc upgrades. for some reason, I find that easier to remember...
[13:59] <plagerism> nemo, yea thats what I do as well
[13:59] <plagerism> Or just keep a copy of the good files around
[13:59] <plagerism> Cause at some point its gonna be fixed
[14:01] <nemo> oh. right.
[14:01]  * nemo copies the ubuntu9 ones to /root
[14:02] <nemo> don't want those to vanish in some archive cleanup
[14:02] <nemo> Timothe: well. there you go. if you'd just waited 10 more minutes, plagerism would have solved your issue w/o a reinstall :-p
[14:04] <Timothe> haha that's true
[14:04] <Timothe> but nemo, I'd found another bug which would drive me crazy
[14:04] <Timothe> :D
[14:04] <Timothe> I stay with stable
[14:04] <Timothe> :D
[14:05] <nemo> well. karmic pulseaudio is also seriously failing w/ my intel sound card
[14:05] <nemo> frankly, pulseaudio has sucked more and more with each release
[14:05] <nemo> astounding really
[14:05] <nostahl> i havnt had any issues yet nemo
[14:05] <nemo> I think karmic might be the release where I ditch pulseaudio
[14:05] <Timothe> why don't u use alsa?
[14:06] <nemo> well. I was sticking with pulseaudio to support users on default ubuntu configuration
[14:06] <nemo> Timothe: a lot of people who drop by Hedgewars IRC problem are having sound issues
[14:06] <nemo> well. some have graphics
[14:06] <nemo> but a lot of it is due to pulseaudio
[14:07] <nemo> nostahl: well. there are a couple of issues WRT no sound whatsoever, but my personal issues are basically more-of-the-same
[14:07] <BluesKaj> update is blocked with this : he following packages have unmet dependencies: libgamin0: Conflicts: libfam0 but 2.7.0-16ubuntu1 is to be installed. Conflicts: libfam0c102 but it is not installable. Is this a known bug ?
[14:07] <duffydack> gave up on it..restored my system pre-karmic.
[14:07] <nostahl> so far my only issue with karmic is the apache config
[14:07] <nemo> nostahl: Wesnoth sucking up 100% of CPU or completely blowing up pulseaudio if I tab to another window.  Ditto Hedgewars.  Both use SDL audio, but I tested in .12 of hedgewars which switched to openal.  Sound still locked up
[14:08] <nostahl> some times it just dl's the php file instead of serving it
[14:08] <Timothe> ok.
[14:08] <nemo> nostahl: additionally, the new sound mixer is abysmal.  I have only one input, and one output - the output is completely wrong
[14:08] <nemo> can't control volume anymore except physically, or using alsamixer
[14:08] <nemo> nostahl: in alsamixer I've determined it is bouncing output between a few minor channels.  none of which are master
[14:08] <duffydack> nemo, +1 I hate the new sound too.. utterly useless
[14:08] <nostahl> i like the db function in the new mixer atleast
[14:08] <nemo> and none of which appear linked to the actual volume control
[14:09] <nemo> in addition, the volume control, which *does* control the master, is doing it wrong
[14:09] <nemo> if I adjust it down, it adjusts down too much, ditto up
[14:09] <nemo> the values in alsamixer confirm it
[14:09] <nemo> result, soon I can't go up all the way anymore since UI appears to have lost track or something
[14:10] <nostahl> i have an eee pc 901 that im running karmic on currently
[14:10] <nemo> anyway. basically they took something that worked, and broke it.
[14:10] <nemo> and then kept breaking it
[14:10] <nostahl> it seems to be very well supported
[14:10] <nemo> more and more
[14:10] <nemo> nostahl: heck. the only reason I have an option in hedgewars to disable sound without initialising SDL/openal is to support Ubuntu users using pulseaudio default
[14:10] <nemo> poor bastards
[14:12] <nostahl> karmic is the first release that bluetooth audio works flawlessly for me
[14:12] <nemo> nostahl: yeah, yeah. I know that was one of the arguments for pulseaudio
[14:12] <nemo> bully for you :-p
[14:12] <nostahl> the stock app paired it up , auto shuts audio off to save power on my headset when not being used
[14:12] <nemo> but in order to support bluetooth and some usb, they appear to have set as default something that screws the rest of us
[14:12] <duffydack> what I dont get with my boot problem is that it booted fine, till I updated the kernel.. was it not using grub2 before it?
[14:12] <nemo> they should have enabled pulseaudio on install if bluetooth audio was detected
[14:13] <nemo> and maybe after prompting user. failing prompt, offer simply way to disable it
[14:13] <nemo> s/simple way/
[14:13] <nemo> er. broken split, but anyway.  yeah. nice idea, but totally not ready for prime time
[14:13] <nostahl> nemo do you run a localhost webserver at all?
[14:14] <nemo> nostahl: not the ubuntu machine I'm referring to, but, yes. why?
[14:14] <nostahl> on a fresh karmic install i did tasksel install lamp-server
[14:14] <nostahl> to set everything up
[14:14] <nostahl> worked great but something in the config is a little weird
[14:15] <nostahl> some times when i click a link it wants to just dl the php file
[14:15] <nemo> nostahl: most likely those directories aren't set to execute php
[14:15] <nostahl> then i click cancel on the dl and hit the link again and it'll serve up the file normally
[14:15] <nemo> oh?
[14:15] <nemo> huh...
[14:15] <duffydack> clear your cache
[14:15] <duffydack> and refresh
[14:15] <nemo> nostahl: when you say dl the php file - you mean the source, right? not the output?
[14:15] <nostahl> ya a brain twister heh what could cause it to work one time and not the other
[14:15] <nostahl> ya the source
[14:15] <nostahl> already cleared cache
[14:15] <nostahl> tried other browsers
[14:16] <nostahl> etc
[14:16] <nemo> heh. obviously can't be browser if it is showing you the source
[14:16] <nemo> that would be massive flaw :-p
[14:16] <nostahl> someone said it could be a mime issue
[14:16] <nemo> naw
[14:16] <nemo> nostahl: that person is confused by the d/l thing.
[14:16] <nemo> if it was downloading output that could be mime or other header
[14:16] <BluesKaj> duffydack, did you do. sudo update-grub
[14:16] <nemo> but downloading source, webserver is not running the php
[14:16] <nemo> nostahl: anything in error log?
[14:16] <BluesKaj> !grub2
[14:17] <duffydack> BluesKaj, no, apt-get upgrade
[14:17] <nostahl> let me check
[14:17] <duffydack> BluesKaj, well it updated grub with the kernel update, but broke booting
[14:17] <nemo> BluesKaj: I linked him to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Grub2Testing - bad choice?
[14:18] <nemo> nostahl: BTW, I'd really recommend the apache channel at this point
[14:18] <nemo> I doubt this is ubuntu's fault.
[14:18] <duffydack> nostahl, clearing cache btw is a fix for a similar problem as you are having btw..   if it wasnt working at all I might check the mod is enabled
[14:19] <nostahl> aye i just hate it when fresh installs are not configured to run out of the box heh
[14:19] <BluesKaj> duffydack, yes but after installing grub2 you need go thru a series of commands to configure it...read the tutorial https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[14:19] <nemo> nostahl: well. once you figure out the problem you'll be able to file a better bug :)
[14:19] <nostahl> aye
[14:19] <duffydack> BluesKaj, was it not using it after the install of alpha 5?
[14:20] <nostahl> but who ever uploaded these configs to the server... it was  doing this for them too right? :P
[14:20] <nemo> nostahl: WRT clearing cache, that's just tedious in testing IMO - just use wget -O-  :)
[14:20] <BluesKaj> duffydack, not if you upgraded from jaunt
[14:20] <BluesKaj> err jaunty
[14:20] <duffydack> BluesKaj, i have jaunty installed yes, but not upgraded from it.
[14:21] <duffydack> BluesKaj, cant boot jaunty or karmic after the update.
[14:21] <nostahl> ah bunch of segmentation faults (11) in error log
[14:22] <BluesKaj> duffydack, read and do the commands in the tutorial and you'll fix grub
[14:22] <nemo> nostahl: lol. that could definitely explain it ;)
[14:22] <nostahl> aye
[14:22] <nostahl> time to pastie.org this error log heh
[14:22] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/420389 ?
[14:23] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/427190
[14:23] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/424789
[14:23] <nemo> that last one was mentioned in:
[14:23] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/427190/comments/12
[14:23] <nemo> nostahl: mentions removing suhosin and xdebug
[14:24] <b1shop> this procedure seems to be broke for 9.10... any tips?  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[14:25] <b1shop> does 9.10 not have a filesystem.squashfs?
[14:27] <duffydack> Ive restored my system since.   do you think I should install grub2 in jaunty before installing karmic to a seperate partition?
[14:27] <duffydack> so I wont need to fix it later?
[14:28] <nemo> duffydack: no idea, but personally I had issues identical to yours that were resolved by grub2 upgrade.
[14:28] <jtholmes> is karmic alpha 4 avail anywhere?
[14:28] <nemo> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha4 ?
[14:28] <nemo> alpha5 not working?
[14:28] <jtholmes> nemo alpha 5 wont work 4 me
[14:29] <nemo> jtholmes: some of those mirrors still work.
[14:29] <nemo> grab them while they do ;)
[14:29] <jtholmes> nemo i will check
[14:29] <nemo> jtholmes: BTW, why not just use jaunty + update-manager -d ?
[14:30] <nemo> trying to save bandwidth?
[14:30] <jtholmes> nemo good idea did not think of that one thx
[14:31] <jtholmes> nemo can do should work thx
[14:31] <BluesKaj> uhm isn't just one grub required for one drive and all it's partiions
[14:31] <nemo> BluesKaj: yes :)
[14:31] <nemo> welll.
[14:31] <nemo> not really, but you darn well shood
[14:31] <nemo> should even
[14:31] <BluesKaj> then why 2 grubs duffydack?
[14:31] <nemo> BluesKaj: you could theoretically install a boot loader on every partition of every drive :D :D
[14:31] <nemo> as well as the MBR
[14:32] <BluesKaj> that's redundancy without purpose. nemo :)
[14:32] <BluesKaj> anyway , breakfast..bbl
[14:33] <nostahl> nemo ty so far no dl's
[14:34] <duffydack> I mean install grub2 and have it chainload and make sure it works.. then hopefully it wont go bang when I install karmic and upgrade kernel and have it break again
[14:34] <nemo> duffydack: don't see the point TBH
[14:34] <nemo> if it breaks, you can always just revert to grub2
[14:34] <nemo> er
[14:34] <nemo> grub1
[14:34] <duffydack> ok so Ive got this prompt:  The following Linux command line was extracted from the `kopt' parameter in GRUB Legacy's menu.lst.  Please verify that it is correct, and modify it if necessary.   (its empty)
[14:34] <nemo> duffydack: seems to just make your layout more fragile
[14:36] <nemo> duffydack: if it messes it up, you can always fix it by hand
[14:37] <nemo> duffydack: doing a quick search of launchpad, seems you're not the only one, unfortunately
[14:37] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/413345
[14:39] <nostahl> ah speaking of the alternative installer thats what I had to use for my eeepc the gui standard version has issues with multiple hd's :)
[14:40] <duffydack> installed grub2, seemed to go ok, lets test it
[14:46] <duffydack> meh, error 11 : unrecognised string
[14:48] <nemo> duffydack: pastebin your grub conf
[14:49] <duffydack> im using this method to try fix it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover%20Grub%202%20via%20LiveCD
[14:50] <duffydack> im using liveusb..
[14:50] <nemo> so? pastebin it anyway :)
[14:50] <nemo> ... the one off of the HD of course
[14:52] <duffydack> grub.conf or grub.cfg
[14:52] <duffydack> this isnt a karmic install anymore, I just wanted to test grub2 installed onto jaunty...
[14:52] <duffydack> and its not working
[14:53] <nemo> I was using grub2 on jaunty too
[14:53] <nemo> to solve my ext4 under jaunty issues.
[14:53] <nemo> grub.cfg
[14:56] <duffydack> http://pastebin.com/d1321bb7d
[15:00] <nemo> argh
[15:00] <nemo> ah
[15:00] <nemo> there you are
[15:00] <duffydack> so, its booting to jaunty now
[15:01] <duffydack> grub2 is installed
[15:01] <drs305> duffydack: Is this an automated grub.cfg or did you edit it.
[15:01] <duffydack> well, 1.96
[15:01] <duffydack> auto
[15:01] <nemo> duffydack: I have this memory of commenting out the search line, or modifying it in some way
[15:01] <nemo> duffydack: one weirdness is your root and search commands aren't per-menu option like they are in mine
[15:01] <nemo> I assume that's not a problem
[15:02] <duffydack> nemo, im a n00b when it comes to grub (yeah no sht!)  so I dont know
[15:02] <nemo> mm.
[15:02] <nemo> UUID thing
[15:02] <nemo> supposedly
[15:03] <nostahl> hey anyone know of top of head if they make an adapter from the slim express card slot to the full size express card slot?
[15:03] <duffydack> my xp partition isnt listed anynmore tho
[15:03] <nostahl> i got a couple tv tuner cards i want to use in my new netbook but the netbook only has the smaller express card slot ugg
[15:03] <nemo> no. wait. you don't have the uuid command
[15:04] <BluesKaj> duffydack, the edits for grub2 are supposed to be done in /etc/default/grub since the boot/grub/menulst no longer exists in grub2
[15:04] <nemo> duffydack: adding back XP is pretty easy
[15:04] <BluesKaj> err /boot/grub/menu.lst
[15:04] <nemo> BluesKaj: he's looking at grub.cfg
[15:05] <nemo> duffydack: want my grub.cfg ?
[15:05] <nemo> duffydack: you could perhaps just change the UUIDs
[15:05] <duffydack> http://pastebin.com/d19f5f9cb  thats what its using now
[15:05] <nemo> and maybe the partition numbers
[15:05] <duffydack> i dont have a problem booting anymore..
[15:05] <nemo> duffydack: BTW, I think grub2 changed partition numbering
[15:05] <nemo> ok.
[15:05] <duffydack> I followed that grub2 from livecd giude
[15:06] <duffydack> basically just installed grub2 to mbr
[15:06] <duffydack> which I dont think it did before
[15:06] <nemo> ah.
[15:06] <duffydack> well anyway, my xp install is missing from the boot list now, and its a different boot menu, so I know now its using grub2
[15:07] <duffydack> maybe when I install karmic it wont break
[15:08] <nemo> duffydack: http://m8y.org/tmp/grub.cfg - if you want mine.
[15:08] <nemo> has an XP entry
[15:10] <duffydack> thats a lot of kernels lol
[15:12] <duffydack> gonna test my xp boot
[15:16] <duffydack> unknown command "chainloader"
[15:16] <duffydack> i copied yours and changed the uuid to mine.
[15:16] <duffydack> should have worked.
[15:18] <BluesKaj> duffydack, one thing to remember, after every change/edit run grub-update
[15:18] <duffydack> ugh
[15:18] <duffydack> :)
[15:19] <BluesKaj> i mean every edit session
[15:19] <dfgas_> ok, I installed grub2 had to change from root to uuid now if i do upgrade from legacy will that automatically change root to uuid or do I have to change the menu.lst?
[15:22] <BluesKaj> dfgas_, the menu.list is replced by /etc/default/grub
[15:22] <drs305> In Grub 2 the default is to use uuid's. You have to uncomment it in /etc/default/grub to prevent uuids  There will be set root=(hd0,1)  etc but the partitions will be identified with uuids by default.
[15:23] <drs305> Here are some links on Grub 2 if you are interested:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275      https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[15:24] <BluesKaj> drs305, does this mean if I change the fstab entry for my windows partition , I won't have mount it manually as root every session ?
[15:28] <drs305> BluesKaj: Well, that doesn't really have to do with Grub 2's settings. But if you put your windows partition in fstab that is correct. You won't have to mount it manually.
[15:29] <BluesKaj> drs305, I was referring to the uuid which is missing from my windows fstab entry ?
[15:29] <drs305> BluesKaj: If you don't already have windows in fstab, installing ntfs-config is a nice app that will automatically put the entry into fstab for you.
[15:30] <drs305> Having the uuid instead of /dev/sdXX is preferable in fstab since the UUID won't change.
[15:30] <BluesKaj> yes that's done but for some reason the windows partition doesn't auto mount since grub2
[15:31] <drs305> BluesKaj: Let's be clear - Windows won't boot or it simply doesn't mount so you can see it when you are running Karmic?
[15:32] <BluesKaj> doesn't mount , i have to mount it as root
[15:32] <BluesKaj> yes it's listed in dolphin places as Volume
[15:33] <BluesKaj> volume (ntfs)
[15:33] <drs305> Check your UUID for the windows partition in fstab and compare it with the results of "sudo blkid -c /dev/null"
[15:33] <James147> BluesKaj: sounds like it isent in fstab... dont see why what boot loader you have would matter
[15:34] <BluesKaj> James147, well it could be coincicdence
[15:34] <deepjoy> Hi I have been on karmic for 20 days  now yesterdays updates leave me with a blinking screen when GDM should start. I re-installed but the same thing happens as soon as I update
[15:35] <James147> drs305: why not just run "blkid" ??
[15:35] <BluesKaj> drs305, yes  'sudo blkid -c /dev/null' shows the windows partition as /dev/sda1: UUID="12149C75149C5D93" TYPE="ntfs"
[15:35] <drs305> BluesKaj: If you did some repartitioning during or before the install your UUIDs might have changed. The /dev/null makes sure it doesn't retrieve a cached UUID. Not likely , but possible.
[15:36] <deepjoy> was wondering if this is a known issue with yesterdays updates
[15:36] <deepjoy> or if there is a workaround.
[15:36] <deepjoy> I'm on live CD for now till I try to re-install again
[15:36] <BluesKaj> drs305, aamof I did repartition a small portion that was unallocated at the front of ext4
[15:37] <BluesKaj> well merged actually
[15:37] <drs305> BluesKaj: Does the blkid UUID match the windows one in fstab?
[15:37] <BluesKaj> no
[15:38] <drs305> Then change the one in fstab to match the blkid result for the windows partition  ... 12149....
[15:40] <BluesKaj> brb
[15:40] <James147> BluesKaj: you dont need to reboot
[15:40] <BluesKaj> my PSU is acting up again
[15:41] <deepjoy> can't seem to find a bug against this in the bugs database.
[15:42] <deepjoy> could somebody direct me as to whome I should get in touch with regarding debugging a GDM/X bug that seems to have been introduced in the last gdm update.
[15:42] <RichardWolfVI> Hello, I'm having issues with gnome-sond recorder, no matter which audio format I pick, I get the following message: Could not capture using the '<audio profile>' audio profile. Please verify its settings.
[15:42] <RichardWolfVI> You may be missing the necessary plug-ins
[15:43] <RichardWolfVI> deepjoy: shouldn't you file a bug on Launchpad for that matter?
[15:44] <deepjoy> RichardWolfVI : I guess I will now was just checking if it was a known issue.
[15:46] <deepjoy> thanks
[15:52] <RichardWolfVI> Back to my issue, when selecting, CD Quality, Lossless (.flac type)
[15:52] <RichardWolfVI> I get: Could not capture using the 'CD Quality, Lossless' audio profile. Please verify its settings.
[15:52] <RichardWolfVI> You may be missing the necessary plug-ins
[15:52] <RichardWolfVI> for example
[16:07] <BluesKaj> PSU , starts to smell funny after a while , especially if I;m transcoding video etc ...doesn't make sense cuz the voltage to the cpu etc is only around 5V max
[16:08] <James147> BluesKaj: :S might want to look into getting a new psu
[16:10] <BluesKaj> yup, but I'm 50 mi from the nearest supplier ..there are a couple of computer stores in our little town here but their service sucks
[16:10] <genii> Ah, nothing like the smell of smouldering electronics in the morning... (to make a paraphrase fro Apocalypse Now)
[16:10] <BluesKaj> hehe
[16:12] <BluesKaj> Yeasterday I was accused of being disloyal to the cause for installing a proprietary nvidia driver , so my graphics and fav apps would run properly :)
[16:13] <James147> BluesKaj: i need to use the proprietary nvidia drivers just so my screens dont go all screwy as i have dual screen
[16:13] <drs305> BluesKaj: It's just a machine, not a moral choice ...  ;-)
[16:14] <BluesKaj> James147, right ...that nv driver sucks on nvidia , so went to the web site and got the newest 64 bit 7 series ..runs very nicely
[16:15] <James147> BluesKaj: yeah, cant run a livecd without unplugging one of my monitors because of the stupid nv drivers :(
[16:17] <BluesKaj> well drs305 if the devs won't supply the repos with proper driver , that's not my problem , and  I also have to mention theat some the libavcodecs aavilable on medibuntu are stripped of some needed options if you're into media editing etc.
[16:17] <drs305> I have no problem with it, but even if I did, it would be MY problem. lol.
[16:18] <BluesKaj> James147, which graphics card ?
[16:19] <James147> BluesKaj: umm, 7something :)
[16:19] <James147> probally 7600
[16:20] <James147> dam only 7300 :(
[16:21] <BluesKaj> ok , NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-185.18.36-pkg2.run is the driver for the 7 series , but it has to be installed without X  running , this the procedure I used and it worked for me. http://www.pastebin.ca/1565587
[16:22] <James147> BluesKaj: not going to install karmic on this mechine untill its released, hope they fix the repos by then and my laptop has an intel card :)
[16:22] <BluesKaj> but the existing nv driver has to be removed before installing the new one
[16:23] <BluesKaj> yeah , I have karmic on our laptop with intel graphics ..runs fine
[16:24] <drs305> I have the 7600 and just went to the nvidia site. The 185 drivers are also in the standard 'restricted' repository - at least in Karmic   185.18.36
[16:25] <Twigathy> eep
[16:26] <Twigathy> I just booted my karmic install and got an NVidia splash, then nothing \o/
[16:26] <Twigathy> Being NFS root I can probably fix things on the server =)
[16:27] <nostahl> hey guys can you check in empathy/accounts if you can see a place to enter login info for yahoo acccount
[16:27] <nostahl> none is showing up on my empathy install
[16:30] <RichardWolfVI> nostahl: Yahoo is not editable for me neither
[16:30] <nostahl> havnt been able to find anything online about it
[16:31] <nostahl> think it might be time to go back to pidgin
[16:31] <nostahl> i cant even /j #ubuntu+1 with empathy heh
[16:32] <nostahl> what kind of irc support is that heh
[16:32] <mneptok> nostahl: AFAIK, Pidgin cannot connect to Y!IM any more because Y! futzed with something.
[16:32] <nostahl> ah
[16:33] <nostahl> so its not just empthy having issues with yahoo thats good to know :)
[16:34] <nemo> you know, it is nice to see that the mirrors can manage 6 mega*bytes* per second when my connection supports it
[16:34] <nemo> makes updating a real pleasure.
[16:34] <nemo> took longer to install the 150 packages than it did to suck 'em down
[16:36] <RichardWolfVI> Any ideas on my gnome-sound-recorder issue? It's practically unusable for me
[16:37] <Twigathy> hm, okay. The tail end of my Xorg log simply says: Backtrace: :)
[16:40] <nemo> Twigathy: ah. you have same problem as me
[16:40] <nemo> Twigathy: nvidia right?
[16:40] <nemo> Twigathy: someone here diagnosed it for me.
[16:40] <Twigathy> I just found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/+bug/429003
[16:40] <Twigathy> So I'm going to try downgrading libc
[16:41] <Twigathy> Apparently that's a fix that'll work for now
[16:41] <nemo> Twigathy: that's the solution, yep :)
[16:41] <Twigathy> cool
[16:41] <Twigathy> Thank goodness for ssh, eh? ;)
[16:41] <nemo> sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6*ubuntu9*.deb  :)
[16:42] <nemo> Twigathy: well. I found I could get to a terminal too
[16:42] <nemo> but ssh did make it easier
[16:42] <Twigathy> I couldn't get to a terminal, black screen on all VTs
[16:42] <nemo> might have rebooted to older kernel
[16:42] <nemo> where nvidia wasn't running at all :)
[16:42] <Twigathy> yay, that looks like gdm :)
[16:42] <nemo> and of course there's always single user mode
[16:42] <mneptok> nemo / Twigathy: you couldn't get to another TTY locally?
[16:42] <nemo> mneptok: yeah. was a bit odd.
[16:43] <nemo> ctrl-alt-f1/alt-f1 didn't seem to work right - although it did on a few reboots
[16:43] <Twigathy> mneptok: it seemed to be stuck in a horrific crash-loop
[16:43] <mneptok> ewww.
[16:43] <Twigathy> it's okay, I've got my desktop back now :)
[16:43] <nemo> Twigathy: was that really a loop?
[16:43] <nemo> it seemed mucked up even when dead
[16:43]  * mneptok hugs his all-Intel laptop
[16:43] <Twigathy> nemo: well my screen kept changing modes... >_<
[16:43] <nemo> mneptok: lol
[16:43] <nemo> mneptok: gotta love something about that I guess ;)
[16:43] <nemo> yeah software mixing :-p
[16:44] <nemo> mneptok: so. is pulseaudio as screwed up for you as it is on my intel sound cards?
[16:44] <mac_v> nemo: PA is screwed up for everyone ;)
[16:44] <mneptok> nemo: the fact Ubuntu was pre-installed is nice, too. it means i don't have to dump Vista on there for basic warrantee support.
[16:44] <Twigathy> PA works for me, except in mplayer where it does really weird stuff like lag the picture and then catch up again...
[16:45] <Twigathy> ...so actually it only works with mpd.
[16:45] <Twigathy> >_<
[16:45] <nemo> mneptok: ah. yeah. I bought my first dell (also my first prebuilt) to support their linux preinstalls
[16:45] <nemo> mac_v: I just don't understand why something so clearly beta was set as default
[16:45] <nemo> instead of as an option for certain HW
[16:45] <MisterN> nemo: hehe yeah me too and now they silently dropped most of the support again, so i bought a non-dell
[16:45] <nemo> it has been main source of ubuntu problems for last 3 releases
[16:45] <mneptok> nemo: i just took delivery of an Inspiron 15n last week. replacing the Lenovo i had used for the 2 prior years.
[16:45] <DanaG> PulseAudio works fine-ish for me.
[16:45] <nemo>  for me and everyone I support
[16:45] <nemo> it locks up
[16:45] <nemo> it sucks up CPU
[16:45] <nemo> it plays badly with virtually everything
[16:46] <nemo> and the new mixer just works badly period
[16:46] <Twigathy> I think the "ish" it the problem with Pulse. It's not mature enough!
[16:46] <Twigathy> *is
[16:46] <mneptok> "killall pulseaudio" at login
[16:46] <DanaG> =þ
[16:46] <Twigathy> The more we test and grumble the more will get fixed though, I suppose :)
[16:46] <mac_v> nemo: one workaround i have for now , is to delete the ~/.pulse folder and restart PA , this solves the problems most of the time
[16:47] <nemo> mac_v: meh. that doesn't fix karmic having broken mixer
[16:47] <mac_v> heh , WFM in karmic ;p
[16:47] <nemo> mac_v: or the lockups I get  when tabbing from an SDL game to another window
[16:47] <nemo> mac_v: completely arsed up. I have one input, and one output, and the output is the wrong sound card channel
[16:47] <nemo> and the volume control controls main volume, badly.
[16:48] <nemo> mac_v: WFM is so totally useless - it works for *some* people
[16:48] <nemo> for many many others it doesn't work.
[16:48] <mac_v> yeah it locks up , i keep killing PA , its my own shoot em up game ;p
[16:48] <nemo> it should never have been made default :(
[16:48] <nemo> I'm only still on it to support family members who are.
[16:48] <nemo> I should just switch them all to ALSA
[16:48] <nemo> and stop supporting hedgewars users who are still on pulseaudio, too :)
[16:52] <BluesKaj> I solved my pulseaudio problem sudo aptitude purge pulseaudio , now I have no audio problems :)
[16:54] <BluesKaj> of course I use vlc pretty much exclusively from any others
[16:54] <Dr_Willis> .quit
[16:56] <mac_v> BluesKaj: hehe purge....     ;)
[16:57] <mneptok> i would not purge the package, but rather kill the PA processes at login.
[17:00] <BluesKaj> pulseaudio wasn't working right, very choppy sound ...it was running on top of the kernel module driver from my sound card (I think) , as soon as I got rid of PA the audio quality became smooth a and clean
[17:00] <nemo> hm. this is odd.
[17:00] <racha> Hello
[17:00] <racha> I have one question
[17:00] <nemo> I have a laptop w/ a 1024x768 display that I wanted more real-estate for.
[17:00] <Trewas> mneptok: killing pulseaudio does not help, it will start up automagically when some program starts using sound
[17:00] <racha> If u Go update to 9.10 i will be able to boot to my old 9,04 ?
[17:01] <nemo> so I shrank everything on my theme. modified gtkrc/metacity xml, all good... except for fact that the panel consistently refused to shrink more than 24px in height - which I learned in past was the start-here.png
[17:01] <nemo> in Jaunty I shrank every single start-here.png to 16x16 - but in Karmic, after doing that, the icon stays big.
[17:01] <nemo> weird.
[17:02] <James147> racha: if you update 9.04 to 9.10 you cannot easily go back down to 04
[17:02] <James147> racha: easiest way to test karmic and still have a working jaunty system is dual boot both
[17:03] <nemo> also odd. on another karmic machine, linux-headers for my latest kernel was not installed. I installed in synaptic, but. strange.
[17:03] <James147> racha: or use virtual mecheines
[17:03] <MisterN> James147: using the livecd for some simple testing should work too, no?
[17:04] <James147> MisterN: yes it would,
[17:04] <James147> MisterN: But you also have to update everytime you boot unless your useing a presistant version (such as liveusb)
[17:05] <James147> MisterN: but for very basic testing it would probally be the easiest :)
[17:05] <MisterN> :)
[17:05] <racha> James147 its possible to Use Live CD with 9.10 ? or there is no Options for that on Alfa test ?
[17:06] <MisterN> racha: it _is_ possible, as we just discussed...
[17:07] <racha> James147: What is name of Virtual Machine for Ubuntu ?
[17:07] <racha> James147: Software
[17:07] <MisterN> James147: i don't know if that's possible, but "Live HDD", i.e. using an external USB hard drive, would be nice
[17:07] <MisterN> racha: i use VirtualBox
[17:08] <racha> MisterN: ok tnx :)
[17:08] <James147> MisterN: it is, i use liveusbs all the time (on flash sticks) infact i only use them now, never burn cd anymore
[17:08] <James147> racha: there is also VMWare, but i think you need to pay for that
[17:08] <MisterN> James147: well, the netbook remix does NOT work on a hdd, or at least i didn't get it to work
[17:08] <MisterN> had to buy an usb stick :D
[17:09] <jtholmes> is the alt cd the only way to upgrade using the cd?
[17:09] <racha> MisterN:  u use "VirtualBox OSE"
[17:09] <racha>  ?
[17:09] <MisterN> racha: no, i use the Sun version. see instructions on virtualbox.org
[17:12] <James147> jtholmes: It will be the easiest way if you dont ahve a network connection ->https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[17:13] <jtholmes> James147, thx
[17:24] <inter> in 9.10 how do you set the GDM theme. THe login window GUI has been totally stripped in the alpha i am using
[17:27] <inter> anyone know how to set GDM themes in new ubuntu?
[17:29] <RichardWolfVI> !gdm
[17:30] <inter> anyone know where would be a good place to look?
[17:33] <vallhalla81> how do i upgrade to the beta of ubuntu 9.10?
[17:35] <durt> !upgrade | vallhalla81
[17:36] <vallhalla81> durt: thankyou
[17:37] <dupondje> Know bug ? that sound is extremely low ?
[17:38] <dupondje> hmz PCM went down :s
[17:39] <durt> vallhalla81, just in case it's not in there, if your upgrading from the command line a -d after do-release-upgrade will install a devel-release, to upgrade in the gui there is a selection switch you need to find - not sure where that is though. (software sources?)
[17:47] <vallhalla81> command line worked great ty
[17:50] <scizzo-> hello
[17:50] <scizzo-> its a known factor that gdm can break after the latest updates?
[17:51] <inter> anyone know how to set background image for GDM after rewrite? i can't even find where it points to the file...
[17:51] <inter> /etc/gdm is pretty useless...
[17:51] <scizzo-> I am poking around in the logs but can't really get more info then GDM local telling me that it crashes because of to many X factors or something
[17:52] <racha> Any1 knowe how to install 9.10 on VirtualBox :S ?
[17:52] <racha> I donwnloaded .iso and i have VirtualBox installed
[17:53] <scizzo-> racha: never used virtualbox before?
[17:53] <racha> scizzo: no :(
[17:53] <racha> Scizzo: i uzet Microsoft Virtual Machine
[17:53] <scizzo-> racha: I believe that would be a rather standard question on the virtualbox site....
[17:53] <racha> Used*
[17:53] <scizzo-> racha: 1. create a partition in virtualbox software
[17:54] <scizzo-> racha: 2. tell the virtualbox image you created to mount the ISO to the cdrom
[17:54] <racha> scizzo- :  how :S :)
[17:54] <scizzo-> racha: maybe click new in the interface?
[17:54] <racha> scizzo-: i cant find VirtualBox in Applications
[17:54] <MisterN> racha: how about using your brain?
[17:54] <scizzo-> racha: have you installed it?
[17:55] <racha> Scizzo-: ya
[17:55] <scizzo-> racha: virtualbox-ose?
[17:55] <racha> scizzo-: i installed one from site ...
[17:56] <racha> virtualbox-3.0_3.0.6-52128_Ubuntu_jaunty_i386.deb
[17:56] <scizzo-> racha: jaunty?
[17:57] <racha> scizzo-: i told u i dont knowe anything about VirtualBOx
[17:57] <scizzo-> !jaunty
[17:57] <scizzo-> this channel is for karmic
[17:57] <scizzo-> not for jaunty
[17:58] <scizzo-> please join #ubuntu if you are using jaunty
[17:58] <scizzo-> also I would suggest to use the virtualbox-ose from the ubuntu source instead
[17:58] <Pici> virtualbox support is also in #vbox
[17:59]  * scizzo- cries over broken X
[18:00] <scizzo-> anyone that can give me suggestions is to why karmic broke my X after todays package updates?
[18:03] <nemo> FWIW, my issue w/ start-here.png was resolve by adding override in ~/.icons
[18:03] <nemo> I have no idea why modifying globally was failing
[18:03] <nemo> some cache?
[18:11] <mostafa_> how can I install ns-allinone in karmic? plz
[18:13] <durt> !info ns-allinone
[18:14] <durt> mostafa_, where is this from? What is it?
[18:15] <mostafa_> durt: I know it isn't but it is gonna be run in linux
[18:16] <genii> mostafa_: Again, as i answered your query about building it for Jaunty that you asked in #kubuntu ... their instructions off the home page for building it seem pretty lucid http://www.isi.edu/nsnam/ns/ns-build.html
[18:16] <mostafa_> genii: thanks I check it now bro
[18:16]  * eagles0513875 waves to genii
[18:17]  * genii slides eagles0513875 a coffee
[18:17] <eagles0513875> i need more then just a coffee genii but thanks m8
[18:18] <duffydack> got karmic installed FRESH and booting ok after updates.
[18:19] <duffydack> the only thing fuxored is sound..  its just too loud and doesnt use my subwoofer (master mono) channel.
[18:19] <nemo> duffydack: ah. yep. similar to me
[18:20] <duffydack> if i set it the slider really really low then touch it even slightly the volume blows my head off.  master mono channel doesnt get moved either
[18:20] <nemo> duffydack: if you fire up alsamixer, you might find as I did it is using some random other channel
[18:20] <nemo> duffydack: only reason sound goes on and off is mute/unmute
[18:20] <nemo> I've resorted to adjusting sound at the speaker
[18:20] <nemo> might just give up on pulseaudio though
[18:21] <duffydack> nemo, yes, application volume in sound prefs, applications volume control, output volume (how many sliders for volume do we need) all do different tihngs.
[18:23] <duffydack> analog output / amplifier is producing sound but an any app, say audacious with the sound at 13% is just too loud.
[18:24] <duffydack> adjusting it so far then sets off the master channel (which is at 0 in alsamixer).  master mono is all the way up and its doing nothing.
[18:24] <duffydack> changing to analogue output gives no sound...
[18:25] <duffydack> analogue output (LFE) amplifier gives sound and with subwoofer, BUT as soon as I touch any volume slider anywhere, the volume hits the roof and master mono channel drops to 0
[18:26] <duffydack> at 3% the volume is TOO loud..
[18:27] <duffydack> restarting the player sets volumes weird too
[18:28] <MisterN> haha, when getting a live usb with Karmic Alpha 5, doing the updates needs more time than downloading the original image :D
[18:28] <duffydack> theyve gone backwards with sound/mixers.
[18:29] <duffydack> shame too.
[18:32] <duffydack> i`ll hold out for 10.04 :)
[18:33] <MisterN> duffydack: i guess PA will work by then :)
[18:34] <duffydack> I have my jaunty setup superbly for sound.
[18:37] <duffydack> fingers crossed by final release it will either work or the jaunty mixer is used instead
[18:39] <dupondje> *** glibc detected *** pulseaudio: corrupted double-linked list: 0x0000000001dfbaa0 ***
[18:39] <dupondje> pulseaudio++ :P
[18:40] <MisterN> duffydack: they should rather delay karmic than ship broken sound, IMHO :P
[18:41] <slacker_nl> does anyone know how to debug Firefox?
[18:41] <MisterN> slacker_nl: no, but i think there is a package firefox-dbg
[18:42] <slacker_nl> MisterN: thnx, will have a look
[18:48]  * duffydack apt-get autoremoves pulseaudio
[18:49] <soc> hi
[18:49] <soc> is there a problem currently with the live cd?
[18:49] <soc> both ubuntu and kubuntu are booting from it and then they shut down immediately
[19:02] <mostafa_> genii: do you ever work with NS?
[19:03] <mostafa_> genii: r u there?
[19:07] <genii> mostafa_: I'm around. I don't work with network simulators, since I deal with actual networks.
[19:08] <mostafa_> genii: then you know networks yeah?
[19:08] <genii> mostafa_: Yes
[19:09] <mostafa_> genii: OK bro sorry for that ;)
[19:09] <genii> mostafa_: No problem...now you know :)
[19:10] <mostafa_> genii: I wanna simulate tcp protocole in NS but with some change in RTT part
[19:10] <webbb82> will ubuntu tweak work with karmic
[19:11] <dto> what's ubuntu tweak?
[19:11] <genii> mostafa_: Planning some man-in-the-middle escapades? ;)
[19:11] <genii> Work requires me. Back in 3-5 minutes
[19:13] <mostafa_> genii: np ;) be comf.
[19:14] <James147> webbb82: http://ubuntu-tweak.com/ <- looks like they support karmic
[19:14] <Authority> anyone know where I might be able to get ia32-libs_2.7ubuntu14?
[19:14] <James147> webbb82: at least for testing
[19:14] <aion> hi all, where I can get the list of karmic software sources?
[19:16] <durt> aion, as in the source packages, or the urls for sources.list?
[19:17] <aion> urls for sources.list*
[19:18] <zniavre> !grub2
[19:19] <XmagusX> Question -- I am having a peculiar issue with libasound2-plugins and ia32lib -- that is that ia32lib requires libasound2-plugins (which is already          akgraner installed), but states that it is going to remove it before installing, the fails on install because of the libasound2-plugins not being there.  I am       Akkarin currently running Karmic.
[19:20] <aion> same here
[19:20] <XmagusX> blast.  let's try a better copy and paste of that
[19:20] <XmagusX> Question -- I am having a peculiar issue with libasound2-plugins and ia32lib -- that is that ia32lib requires libasound2-plugins (which is already installed), but states that it is going to remove it before installing, the fails on install because of the libasound2-plugins not being there.  I am currently running Karmic.
[19:21] <trothigar> aion, in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[19:21] <aion> yep
[19:23] <anger_> Hi!
[19:23] <justanother> g' evening guys
[19:23] <anger_> Just noticed that my apache server doesn't work anymore after I upgraded to karmic
[19:25] <anger_> "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start" doesn't do anything, not even a error message
[19:26] <XmagusX> aion: Had any luck finding a fix?
[19:27] <anger_> Am I the only one with this problem? :)
[19:27] <aion> nope, that has something to do with software repositories
[19:28] <Authority> XmagusX: a new version of ia32-libs has been released, but I can't find the binary package in the archives yet.  I'm downloading the source right now to see if I can build it and test
[19:31] <yofel> aion: what exactly do you need? The default urls can be generated with software-properties-{gtk,kde}
[19:32] <mostafa_> genii: you came back?
[19:33] <Amaranth> someone here have karmic with compiz enabled?
[19:34] <judgen> Is there a fix for nvidia users in karmic yet?
[19:34] <judgen> Or should i revert to glx-96?
[19:35] <Amaranth> judgen: fix for what?
[19:35] <BluesKaj> Amaranth, I ran it for a while yesterday and it was ok, but when I upgraded today I received conflict/dependency messages , so in order to upgrade I had to remove compiz .. it'll eventually get fixed by the eye candy lovers :)
[19:35] <judgen> Amaranth: nvidia driver modules restarts Xorg over and over again.
[19:35] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: Yeah...I'm that person :P
[19:35] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: Well, I guess there are 3 of us...
[19:35] <BluesKaj> judge
[19:35] <BluesKaj> oops
[19:35] <blueyed> Go back to the "nv" driver, and remove nvidia-glx-*
[19:36] <aion> well.. when I'm trying to install ia32-libs or the flashplugin-nonfree via synaptic, I have a msg, telling me to enable software repos in  software sources, but I have nothing to check there in "other software" section, but I can apt-get update without any problems
[19:36] <judgen> blueyed: the nv driver can not use world of goo =)
[19:36] <aion> so that's why I asked for sources.list to compare with mine
[19:36] <lupine_85> heee, karmic tells me all about my failing hard drive
[19:36] <lupine_85> good job I'm in RAID-1
[19:36] <XmagusX> judgen: I'm running fine at GLX185
[19:36] <BluesKaj> judgen, I installed the proprietary nvidia driver for 64bit linux to solve my problem
[19:36] <blueyed> judgen: then stay with your ttys.. ;)
[19:37]  * genii sips
[19:38] <BluesKaj> blueyed, the nv driver is pretty bad for stuff like google earth etc
[19:38] <Amaranth> aion: I believe ia32-libs is currently uninstallable
[19:38] <Amaranth> err, stupid english
[19:38] <Amaranth> not installable
[19:38] <BluesKaj> I'm talking the 700 series card tho
[19:38] <BluesKaj> err 7series
[19:39] <Lenin_Cat> is there fglrx drivers for 9.10 yet?
[19:39] <BUGabundo> hoias
[19:39] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: Can you try to install compiz again?
[19:39] <BUGabundo> I NEED YOUR HELP NOWWWWWW
[19:39] <Amaranth> Lenin_Cat: yep
[19:39] <BUGabundo> please save me from madness
[19:39] <BUGabundo> and caps lock :)
[19:40] <BluesKaj> I'm sure the devs could place the right drivers in the repos if they had time , but there are so many other probs with karmic and the release date is approaching quickly
[19:40] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: Eh?
[19:41] <James147> BluesKaj: quickly? seems to be slowing down for me :S
[19:41] <Amaranth> What driver is in the wrong repo?
[19:41] <tilgovi> If I decide to change my account username, can anyone think of any caveats with ecryptfs? I just need to rename the directory in /home/.ecryptfs, no?
[19:41] <blueyed> workaround for the nvidia issue is described in: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/429003/comments/8
[19:41] <BluesKaj> Amaranth, compiz won't install ..unmet dependencies :(
[19:42] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: Does it say why?
[19:42] <Amaranth> ouch, eglibc bug
[19:42] <BluesKaj> Amaranth, compiz: Depends: compiz-fusion-plugins-extra (>= 0.8.3) but it is not installable
[19:42] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: sounds like your mirror is out of date perhaps
[19:43] <BluesKaj> Amaranth, I'm using the main server
[19:43] <Amaranth> or perhaps it hasn't finished building
[19:43]  * Amaranth checks logs
[19:43] <BluesKaj> but I've dropped medibuntu
[19:43] <durt> anyone else have Xorg segfault with nvidia drivers yesterday/today? nv works fine, GeForce 6200.
[19:44] <Amaranth> durt: bug 429003
[19:44] <durt> Amaranth, thx
[19:44] <BluesKaj> nv works fine unti you try to run graphics heavy apps
[19:44] <durt> BluesKaj, ya I know.
[19:44] <James147> BluesKaj: or use dual screen
[19:44] <BluesKaj> bbiab , mailman
[19:44] <duffydack> BluesKaj, Amaranth  I had that.. I did an apt-get update and tried again and it worked
[19:45] <duffydack> BluesKaj, Amaranth  even though I`d just done an update few mins earlier
[19:45] <durt> hey, I didn't even read above :/
[19:45] <duffydack> odd.
[19:45] <Amaranth> if you can't go a week without a certain feature of your computer you should not be using karmic :P
[19:45] <BUGabundo> wt heck.... now one listening to me :S ??
[19:47]  * aion afk
[19:47] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: looks like the compiz packages finished building on everything bug itanic so they should be showing up soon
[19:47] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: I didn't see a question
[19:48] <arand> ! anyone | BUGy ;)
[19:48] <Cyberkilla> Does anybody know...
[19:48]  * genii goes 6 days 23 hours and 59 minutes and breathes a sigh of relief
[19:48] <Cyberkilla> ...that I'm joking
[19:48] <Cyberkilla> :D
[19:48] <Spike1506> i try to upgrade to karmic but when i do: do-release-upgrade it says no new release found
[19:48] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: eheh true
[19:49] <Spike1506> ohw nvm
[19:49] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: ever since I added a proxy on gnome tools, and them removed it, gnome-console *always* sets a proxy on the ENV. I can't seem to get rid of it. I'm going crazy !!
[19:49] <Amaranth> Spike1506: you need -d
[19:49] <Amaranth> oh, you got it already
[19:49] <Spike1506> yeah just saw that lol
[19:49] <Spike1506> ty
[19:51] <Cyber> Hello
[19:51] <Cyber> Anybody know what the plan is with xsplash?
[19:51] <Cyber> When will it change from the broken vertical throbber?
[19:51] <Amaranth> cyber: it should have already
[19:52] <XmagusX> aion: http://www.mail-archive.com/karmic-changes@lists.ubuntu.com/msg08315.html
[19:52] <Cyber> Really? Wow, I'll have to check for updates again.
[19:52] <XmagusX> That may have something to do with the current ia32-libs / libasound2-plugins conflict
[19:52] <Cyber> Thanks for letting me know.
[19:53] <arand> UUrgh!  When messing with vbox instances you start to appreciate _sane_ defaults (where is my shortcut to terminal, where are my icons now again, where is the *swearword* update icon...)
[19:53] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, system settings/country region & language/keyboard layout/advanced/ check: make capslock an additional backspace
[19:53] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: according to launchpad archive.ubuntu.com has the package you need, have you run apt-get update recently?
[19:54] <BluesKaj> that's kde , dunno what the gnome path is
[19:54] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: :)
[19:55] <BluesKaj> Amaranth, yeah just a few mins ago when you asked me to , well i use  aptitude ..it's a bit safer in my experience
[19:55] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: and you're using archive.ubuntu.com? not us.archive.ubuntu.com or anything like that?
[19:56] <Pici> I just grabbed a bunch of compiz upgrades from us.archive
[19:56] <Pici> Then again, I only have ssh access right now, so its not like I can test anything.
[19:56] <Amaranth> If you look at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/compiz-fusion-plugins-main/ you can see the package is there
[19:57] <Amaranth> Pici: It's a huge upgrade: 12 crash fixes, about half a dozen feature requests, and something like 30 bugs in total fixed
[19:57] <Pici> Amaranth: I saw the changelogs :)
[19:57] <Amaranth> and it doesn't let you disable plugins that are important anymore
[19:57] <Amaranth> so people can't disable place or move then file bugs saying compiz sucks because they can't move their windows
[19:57] <BluesKaj> Amaranth, all my default sources are  archive.ubuntu.com
[19:58] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: weird, you can clearly see the package is there if you look through firefox
[19:58] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: I guess give it a couple more hours and see what happens
[19:59] <BluesKaj> which pkg Amaranth , http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/compiz-fusion-plugins-main/compiz-fusion-plugins-main_0.7.4-0ubuntu6.2_amd64.deb ..I'm running 64 bit BTW
[20:00] <Cyber> I can't do update-manager --dist-upgrade. It hangs when checking the cache.
[20:00] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/compiz-fusion-plugins-main/compiz-fusion-plugins-main_0.8.3+git20090914-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[20:00] <aion> can anyone confirm that "sudo nautilus" makes it crash?
[20:00] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: you'll need the corresponding compiz-fusion-plugins-extra too if apt says it doesn't exist either
[20:02] <BUGabundo> sooo BluesKaj and Amaranth, any ideas to help me fix my dreaded bug??
[20:02] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: nope, that seems really odd
[20:03] <BUGabundo> I know
[20:03] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: open gconf-editor and look at /system/http_proxy
[20:03] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: see if there is a host set there still
[20:03] <amortvigil> hoi
[20:04] <arand> BUGabundo: /etc/environment ??
[20:04] <amortvigil> how is the bug rate at the moment?
[20:04] <Amaranth> amortvigil: 61000 and climbing :P
[20:04] <amortvigil> Amaranth: lol ok then ill wait untill the beta
[20:04] <amortvigil> :P
[20:05] <Amaranth> actually 64000 and climbing
[20:05] <Amaranth> amortvigil: those are for all versions of ubuntu :P
[20:05] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: clear. nothing there
[20:06] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: check /etc/environment
[20:06] <BUGabundo> checning arand idea
[20:06] <arand> BUGabundo: or /etc/bashrc /etc/profile
[20:06] <BUGabundo> PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games"
[20:06] <Amaranth> or ~/.bashrc
[20:07] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: the problem is HTTP_PROXY is being set, right?
[20:07] <BUGabundo> both /etc/bash.bashrc /etc/profile clear
[20:07] <BUGabundo> as is ~/.bashrc
[20:07] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: it is
[20:07] <BUGabundo> on every boot and new terminal opened
[20:07] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: oh, it's not just for terminals?
[20:07] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, is your capslock still buggered?
[20:07] <djdarkman> Hello, has there been an update to the PPPoE related packages today or yesterday?
[20:07] <BUGabundo> I have to set export http_proxy="" everytime
[20:08] <djdarkman> I can't connect to a PPPoE network :(
[20:08] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: Amaranth :)))
[20:08] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: is /system/http_proxy/use_http_proxy unchecked in gconf-editor?
[20:08] <BUGabundo> yes
[20:08] <Amaranth> I'm looking at gnome-terminal source code, that is the only way gnome-terminal will set http_proxy
[20:09] <Amaranth> which means it is being set somewhere where all apps including the terminal will get it
[20:09] <BUGabundo> I've set it once on system proxy GUI with Apply System Wide
[20:09] <BUGabundo> eversince that its stuck in there
[20:09] <Amaranth> oh man
[20:09]  * Amaranth gets source code for gnome-control-center
[20:09] <BUGabundo> even if I set it to NOTHING there and apply system wite again
[20:10] <BUGabundo> I used "gnome-network-properties"
[20:10] <BUGabundo> bbl . dinner
[20:11] <BluesKaj> yeah, same here gotta start the BBQ .. I'll take this outdoors with thelaptop ...bbiafew
[20:11]  * cwillu_at_work pokes BUGabundo 
[20:11] <Cyber> Hello, typing "sudo update-manager --dist-upgrade" hangs on "Reading cache"
[20:12] <cwillu_at_work> Cyber, what does apt-get update do?
[20:12] <BluesKaj> Amaranth, btw compiz installed fin e thanks for the tip about the plugins :)
[20:12] <Cyber> It seems to run through fine
[20:12] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: cool, can you start compiz and see if you can drag a window above the top panel?
[20:12] <Amaranth> crap
[20:13] <Cyber> Well, having tested it now, it can't get a lock, since update-manager is running.
[20:13] <Cyber> But I tried it beforehand, and it seems to run through without a problem.
[20:13] <arand> BUGabundo: also /etc/login.defs possible place
[20:14] <aftertaf> hey all :)
[20:14] <aftertaf> any workaround on alpha 5 yet for nvidia boot freeze?
[20:15] <arand> BUGabundo: also ~/.profile or do a grep http_proxy /etc/* ~/.*
[20:15] <cwillu_at_work> hey, is bash's menu-complete broken for anyone else?
[20:16] <cwillu_at_work> >> bind 'tab: menu-complete'  << and then vim /etc/fst<tab> should do the obvious thing, but it doesn't here as of a day or two ago
[20:16] <aftertaf> or is it only busted for me ?
[20:16] <Adapter> no me to
[20:16] <aftertaf> Adapter: nvidia ?
[20:16] <Adapter> yes
[20:16]  * cwillu_at_work chants "Bash! Bash!"
[20:16] <aftertaf> crud :)
[20:16] <Adapter> 8500
[20:16] <aftertaf> 6800
[20:17] <aftertaf> symtoms being freeze and top left flashing cursor, no ALT+F to consle possible ?
[20:17] <aftertaf> cwillu_at_work: #!
[20:17] <Adapter> yes+
[20:17] <aftertaf> :)
[20:17] <aftertaf> Adapter: found a fix yet ? :)
[20:17] <Adapter> no
[20:17] <GobiTheGoblin> Hi there =) Anyone willing to take a shot in metacity problem due last updates?
[20:17] <Adapter> whil no screen
[20:18] <aftertaf> ok. I recovery consoled and changed xorg to use "nv"
[20:18] <Adapter> the same
[20:18] <aftertaf> now im stuck :)
[20:18] <Adapter> kde will not start
[20:18] <aftertaf> with nv driver im back up
[20:18] <GobiTheGoblin> long story short, I have installed nvidia drivers and after update it stopped working
[20:18] <Adapter> ahh genau
[20:18] <aftertaf> looking maybe to pin jaunty nvidia 180
[20:19] <aftertaf> GobiTheGoblin: same here. change xorg.conf driver to "nv"
[20:19] <cwillu_at_work> I just updated a couple days ago, nvidia's working fine here
[20:19] <aftertaf> cwillu_at_work: i updated my lappy with ti and it was fine this afternoon
[20:19] <GobiTheGoblin> aftertaf: nice =) ill try :D
[20:19] <aftertaf> so i went and borked my home pc :)
[20:19] <cwillu_at_work> although I had to sudo gdm due to some likely unrelated bustage :p
[20:19] <Adapter> aftertaf: i think its Compiz?
[20:20] <aftertaf> Adapter: really? hmmm. will turn it off and try again then
[20:20] <Adapter> ok
[20:20] <Adapter> i take a new install
[20:20] <bjsnider> the nvidia thing is a libc6 problem
[20:20] <bjsnider> you install that and it's fixed
[20:20] <aftertaf> i'm on 'no effects' mode in Desktop Effects application
[20:20] <Adapter> then test nvidia driver
[20:21] <aftertaf> bjsnider: how to fix ? reinstall libc6 ?
[20:21] <bjsnider> something like that. there's an open bug i think
[20:21] <aftertaf> reinstall libc6, then reboot with nvidia as driver? ok ill test
[20:21] <Adapter> ahh ok bjsnider
[20:22] <BluesKaj> bjsnider:  libc6 will work with glx-185 driver/
[20:23] <Adapter> bbl
[20:23] <hary> I'm used to place my additional TTF's in /usr/share/fonts/truetype and after they available in the system ... not so with Karmic ... how can I do?
[20:23] <aftertaf> BluesKaj: ok, any extra info on how to fix nvidia right now?
[20:24] <BluesKaj> aftertaf:  i went to the invidia site and DL.d the proprietary 64 bit driver for my 7600gt
[20:25] <aftertaf> BluesKaj: :)
[20:25] <aftertaf> and remove which ubuntu packages, to save me time and reboots ? :)
[20:25] <bjsnider> it has nothing to do with the nvidia package
[20:25] <bjsnider> that will not help
[20:25] <BluesKaj> then installed it from the tty after shutting kdm down
[20:25] <amortvigil> Amaranth: how stable would you call kermit the koala compared with the other versions?
[20:26] <Amaranth> amortvigil: it's karmic koala
[20:26] <Amaranth> amortvigil: it works great for me
[20:26] <BluesKaj> aftertaf: of course i removed the nvdriver first
[20:26] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: can you start compiz and see if you can drag a window above the top panel?
[20:26] <bjsnider> kermit the koala? he was a good hitter in the carolina league
[20:26] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: I figured out your problem
[20:26] <amortvigil> Amaranth: lol are you sure?? kermit the koala souns much more official to me ;P
[20:27] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: in gnome-network-properties set it to direct internet connection then click apply system-wide
[20:27] <amortvigil> Amaranth: i see him on tv every day
[20:27] <BluesKaj> Amaranth: I'm on the laptop outside , setting up the BBQ...this thing is intel graphics
[20:27] <Amaranth> amortvigil: I'm sure
[20:27] <Amaranth> BluesKaj: intel is best :)
[20:27] <aftertaf> will give that a whirl BluesKaj
[20:28] <amortvigil> ubuntu has much better tv commericials nowadays, they are targeting the young nerds, so theyll use linux from the beginning
[20:28] <bjsnider> ubuntu has tv commercials?
[20:28] <BluesKaj> Amaranth: compiz is working on my desktop , just have to get the "cube" working :)
[20:30] <bjsnider> bug 429003
[20:30] <bjsnider> that's the current nvidia bug which also contains workarounds
[20:31] <BUGabundo> I did what amaranth said
[20:31] <BUGabundo> no result
[20:31] <BUGabundo> :(
[20:31] <BUGabundo> I'm out
[20:31] <BUGabundo> bbl
[20:32] <amortvigil> ubottu: x changes!
[20:32] <amortvigil> ubottu: x
[20:34] <BluesKaj> that's new tome ..ubuntu adverts :)
[20:35] <amortvigil> BluesKaj:  watch sesamstreet, kermit the koala is there every evening
[20:35] <amortvigil> adverting for green software
[20:35] <Adapter> kermit is dead pig influenza
[20:36] <Adapter> and you know from how
[20:37] <Adapter> kermit the frog
[20:38] <alienkid10> in 9.10's WUBI will I be able to use EXT3 as opposed to 4?
[20:40] <BluesKaj> amortvigil:  you're in the netherlands, right ? ...Canada here , tv is somewhat different
[20:41] <Adapter> :)
[20:41] <amortvigil> BluesKaj: im joking lol did you think i wasnt??
[20:42] <BluesKaj> dunno
[20:43] <alienkid10> so/
[20:43] <alienkid10> so?
[20:43] <BluesKaj> alienkid10: wubi doen't use ext
[20:43] <alienkid10> what does it install to in the file then?
[20:43] <BluesKaj> wubi runs within windows
[20:43] <BluesKaj> altho it's hard to tell
[20:44] <alienkid10> it's not a VM though
[20:44] <alienkid10> and when installing it formats the file to ext3
[20:45] <alienkid10>  in 9.04
[20:46] <BluesKaj> alienkid10:  I'm quoting an expert here" wubi makes an image of a drive which is inside a file the same as dd works. It can be any filesystem like ext2/3/4 in that file
[20:46] <genii> alienkid10: The file in Windows which is the "drive" wubi uses can have whatever filesystem on it like ext2/3/4 whatever and gets loop-mounted. You should be able to specify any of these you like if you do manual go-through of the partitioning
[20:47] <vistakiller> hi
[20:47] <alienkid10> how would I do manual partition with WUBI and not replace NTLDR
[20:50] <genii> alienkid10: nt loader is on the main drive. The "drive" wubi sees is not actual, it is a file within Windows which is internally formatted within the file as some Linux-compatible filesystem.
[20:51] <alienkid10> how would I manually partition it though?
[20:55] <BluesKaj> alienkid10:  when you run wubi you'll get an option of differnt partition sizes up to 30Gig , could be more depending on the amount of space on your drive
[20:56] <alienkid10> how to I tell it what File system to use though the new default for 9.10 is ext4 not 3
[21:04] <herenbdy> anyone else having problems with nvidia and x11?
[21:05] <herenbdy> I try to boot today, and the screen becomes black after the loading bar finishes (but the monitor is still on) :/
[21:06] <Adapter> must be a bug in libc6
[21:06] <Adapter> and nvidia
[21:06] <durt> bug 429003
[21:06] <herenbdy> how can I switch to mesa, or some other driver?
[21:07] <herenbdy> ah
[21:07] <Adapter> thx
[21:08] <vigo> Todays update/upgrade is sweet!
[21:08] <Adapter> hehe
[21:08] <Adapter> usb is killed too
[21:09] <vigo> I used the safe-one, cause that is what the COMMAND super cow said.
[21:13] <Celtiore> thanks you i have successfuly downgraded libc6 :p
[21:25] <herenbdy> same here
[21:26] <herenbdy> X starts up now :)
[21:27] <Heikki123> hi
[21:27] <durt> I'm using nv instead and just had apport come back with an Xorg crash report, but nothing seems to have happened.
[21:27] <StevenMyers> Someone load this IP for me and let me know if it's public? http://192.168.254.1
[21:28] <durt> 192.168.x.x are not public
[21:28] <StevenMyers> Port forwarding was setup, just need to know if it brings a index of/
[21:30] <StevenMyers> Anyone able to see this IP? http://192.168.254.1 ?
[21:30] <StevenMyers> If so let me know what you see on that page.
[21:31] <durt> nobody will be able to see it as 191.168.x.x are 'reserved addresses' as per rfc 1918.
[21:31] <durt> er 192.168.x.x
[21:31] <Heikki123> is there medibuntu for Karmic
[21:31] <durt> Heikki123, yes
[21:32] <Heikki123> ok
[21:38] <arand> Where do you edit the specific sounds of sound themes in current KK?
[21:39] <arand> for example disable login, logout, login prompt sounds?
[21:39] <amortvigil> stevepearce: i see your ip yes, its:  http://192.168.254.1/
[21:40] <amortvigil> but i cant see any content
[21:40] <arand> that will generally connect to your local are network ...
[21:41] <arand> s/are/area/
[21:43] <StevenMyers> hey durt can you try: http://69.40.53.155 ?
[21:44] <BluesKaj> karmic's networking sucks ..linux to linux will not work no matter what on our network, howver smab/windows is no porb ...what gives?
[21:45] <BluesKaj> samba
[21:45] <Heikki123> so, how do i play mp3 in amarok?
[21:46] <maccam94> Do not show this again DEFINITELY SHOWS THIS AGAIN
[21:46] <maccam94> lol
[21:46] <BluesKaj> as you can tell , i'm a bit miffed ...why are so many apps breaking , when they were working previously?...no need to answer , it's rhetorical :(
[21:46] <durt> StevenMyers, File Server testing completed... (I was going to op you as a social engineer before) :P
[21:46] <maccam94> (gpk-update-icon)
[21:49] <StevenMyers> op me as a social engineer?
[21:49] <StevenMyers> lol
[21:49] <StevenMyers> Very funny durt
[21:50] <durt> 192.168.254.1 could be the address of many peoples home routers
[21:51] <StevenMyers> Yeah I know, just didn't have it placed right. It wasn't giving me the IP for the public IP
[21:59] <StevenMyers> hey durt
[21:59] <StevenMyers> Yeah I wanna bug you again :-p can you check on http://blogwithstyle.net and tell me if it pulls up a blank page with text at the top right of what you just saw before on that ip?
[21:59] <StevenMyers> sorry top left*
[22:00] <Heikki123> ok
[22:01] <durt> nope a full page of text (the blog).
[22:02] <durt> I'm just using links2 so formatting is gonna be off, and no java/javascript etc.
[22:05] <StevenMyers> durt: interesting. the www has the blog page but without it the page directs to "File server testing completed..."
[22:13] <Pretto> where is the application to change login window on karmic?
[22:23] <BUGabundo> back
[22:23] <webbb82> i have a  weird bug in empathy it will always say im hidden even if i change the status to available it just always stays on hidden
[22:30] <BUGabundo> damn it
[22:30] <BUGabundo> theme manager just died :(
[22:47] <dfgas> hey i have been wanting to try the new intel graphics drivers. i am on jaunty but i use normal ubuntu with a repo that has special eee pc kernels
[22:52] <dfgas> is it safe to install the kernel on my eee pc?
[22:56] <BUGabundo> why not dfgas?
[22:56] <BUGabundo> test a liveusb
[22:57] <dfgas> ahh tru
[22:57] <dfgas> didn't think of that
[22:57] <dfgas> hmmm
[22:57] <dfgas> i have an 8gig sitting around, also have tons of 2gig sdcards sitting around
[22:58] <BUGabundo> enough
[22:58] <BUGabundo> !daily
[22:58] <BUGabundo> get yours here
[22:58] <BUGabundo> humm
[22:58] <BUGabundo> or look for the UNR there
[22:59] <dfgas> unr?
[23:01] <dfgas> ?unr
[23:01] <dfgas> oops
[23:02] <Pici> dfgas: Ubuntu Netbook Remix
[23:05] <BUGabundo> !unr
[23:05] <BUGabundo> hey dtchen
[23:05] <dtchen> hi
[23:05] <BUGabundo> dtchen: is the CPU 100% bug anyway fixed ?
[23:05] <BUGabundo> using audio ppa
[23:06] <dtchen> that description is pretty vague, unfortunately
[23:06] <BUGabundo> I had to make auto spawn off, or I would melt my laptop
[23:06] <BUGabundo> dtchen: I guess I need logs :D
[23:06] <dtchen> yes, preferrably -vvvv
[23:06] <BUGabundo> dtchen: after 5 mins PA would go crazy and eat all cpu
[23:06] <BUGabundo> like it would start it self in parale
[23:06] <BUGabundo> now I have auto spawn turned off, and it just work
[23:07] <BUGabundo> it just dies like once a day
[23:07] <dtchen> with 0.9.17?
[23:07] <dtchen> that seems a bit odd
[23:08] <BUGabundo> dtchen:   Installed: 1:0.9.17-0ubuntu1
[23:08] <dtchen> and the only difference from a stock config is your ~/.pulse/client.conf ?
[23:09] <BUGabundo> think so
[23:09] <BUGabundo> I try to keep it very close to stock
[23:09] <BUGabundo> maybe the auto level stuff you asked me to change once
[23:09] <BUGabundo> ill pastebin the conf files
[23:10] <BUGabundo> $ pastebinit /etc/pulse/*.conf
[23:10] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/271236/
[23:11] <BUGabundo> pastebinit /etc/pulse/client.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/271239/
[23:11] <BUGabundo> pastebinit /etc/pulse/daemon.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/271240/
[23:11] <BUGabundo> dtchen: ^^^^^
[23:14] <dtchen> right, so just the autospawn change in client.conf
[23:14] <dtchen> are you using ia32-libs?
[23:15] <BUGabundo> maybe
[23:15] <XmagusX> lol -- can anyone use ia32-libs atm?
[23:15] <BUGabundo> ia32-libs:  Installed: 2.7ubuntu13
[23:15] <BUGabundo> XmagusX: broken
[23:15] <BUGabundo> don't upgrade
[23:15] <BUGabundo> downgrade if you did :D
[23:15] <XmagusX> too late for me.  ;)
[23:15] <BUGabundo> downgrade then
[23:16] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/271223/
[23:16] <BUGabundo> here are the affected packages
[23:16] <dtchen> no, you need to wait until 14 is rsynced
[23:16] <dtchen> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ia32-libs/2.7ubuntu14/+build/1243008
[23:17] <dtchen> (or you can download the deb directly)
[23:18] <BUGabundo> dtchen: sooo what do you wish me to do
[23:18] <BUGabundo> to give you better feed back?
[23:18] <BUGabundo> enable auto spawn?
[23:18] <BUGabundo> but if so, how will pulseaudio -vvvv help?
[23:18] <dtchen> no, you don't necessarily need autospawn reenabled if you can reproduce the symptom using pulseaudio -vvvv
[23:19] <dtchen> i need to see precisely where the debugging is failing
[23:19] <dtchen> anyhow, without a log, it's really difficult to troubleshoot
[23:24] <BluesKaj> karmic lan networking is also broken , everything that used to connect is no longer doing so ... methinks karmic is going backwards here by introducing too many changes that aren't getting much testing
[23:26] <BluesKaj> has anyone tried to share a folder lately , there no options , whatsoever.
[23:27] <BUGabundo> dtchen: I can't. with autospawn off it doesn't happen
[23:27] <dtchen> BUGabundo: then reenable autospawn and go forth
[23:28] <BUGabundo> okay friend
[23:29] <dtchen> back later
[23:29] <arand> Where do you edit the specific sounds of sound themes in current KK? for example login/out sounds?
[23:29] <BUGabundo> $ killall -9 pulseaudio
[23:29] <BUGabundo> pulseaudio: no process found
[23:29] <BUGabundo> ohhh
[23:29] <BUGabundo> now he leaves??
[23:29] <BUGabundo> who's gona debug this now?
[23:32] <arand> Man, check out the new highlighting feature of grep, sweet!
[23:41] <Twigathy> 78
[23:41] <Twigathy> no
[23:56] <XmagusX> Anyone know how to disable the blasted little scroll arrows in the Main Menu?