[01:07] <niko> joejc use Caps Locks On Every Word script, perphaps it's against your rules
[01:31] <Flannel> I should've checked the BT earlier... I had a suspicion he wasn't new like he claimed
[01:32] <Flannel> would've saved us 45 minutes of our lives
[06:12] <Flannel> floodbots are broken?
[06:12] <Flannel> huh, just confused it seems
[06:17] <Myrtti> right
[06:17] <Myrtti> I managed to catch him copypasting an email to the channel about how to get the ubuntu-myanmar community to himself
[06:18] <Flannel> to himself?
[06:19] <Myrtti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/270684/
[06:19] <Myrtti> that's how I interpret the last line ;-)
[09:42] <jussi01> !-hi
[09:42] <jussi01> !greet is <alias>hi
[09:42] <jussi01> oh... sigh
[09:44] <jussi01> !greet is <alias>hi
[09:57] <Myrtti> yay, my xubuntu is broken
[10:35] <Tm_T> Myrtti: how?
[10:45] <Myrtti> pnm2ppa is broken somehow and xubuntu-desktop has broken dependencies
[10:52] <Tm_T> Myrtti: Karmic?
[10:58] <Myrtti> jaunty
[10:59] <Tm_T> sounds weird then
[11:22] <Myrtti> help?
[11:50] <elky> with?
[11:51] <Myrtti> the bots, fixed now
[11:52] <elky> jussi01, i wonder, d'ya think it's worth having !hi give out some useful information. maybe the guidelines or something like that?
[12:05] <jussi01> !hi
[12:05] <Myrtti> I agree
[12:05] <jussi01> elky: yes, that makes sense
[12:06] <Myrtti> I've been thinking the same for the past week
[12:06] <jussi01> !guidelines
[12:07] <jussi01> !hi is <reply>Hi! Welcome to $channel! you can find the channel guidelines at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[12:07] <jussi01> what do you think?
[12:07] <Myrtti> Capital Y
[12:08] <Myrtti> ;-)
[12:08] <elky> or...
[12:08] <Myrtti> For common benefit, please read the channel guidelines at
[12:09] <elky> !hi is <reply>Hi! Welcome to $channel! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines. Enjoy your stay!
[12:09] <elky> s/guidelines at/guidelines are at/
[12:12] <jussi01> elky: looks good to me.
[12:12] <elky> !no hi is <reply>Hi! Welcome to $channel! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines. Enjoy your stay!
[12:12] <elky> !hi | jussi01
[12:13] <jussi01> -opsnel?
[12:13] <Myrtti> oops
[12:13] <elky> what the h...
[12:13] <Myrtti> $chan
[12:13] <Myrtti> not $channel
[12:13] <elky> s/channel/chan/
[12:13] <jussi01> heh
[12:13] <elky> !no hi is <reply>Hi! Welcome to $chan! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines. Enjoy your stay!
[12:13] <jussi01> my fault
[12:13] <elky> jussi01, fails botese 101
[12:13] <jussi01> elky: I do that one all the time. never seem to learn
[12:14]  * elky tattoos it to jussi01's forehead
[12:14] <jussi01> elky: and how would that help precisely? :D
[12:14] <jussi01> forehead isnt best place.... given I hate mirrors.... :D
[12:15] <elky> well your girlfriend would be able to remind you
[12:15] <Myrtti> eyelids
[12:15] <Myrtti> inside
[12:15] <jussi01> rofl
[12:15] <Myrtti> best place for post-it tattoos
[12:15] <jussi01> elky: she might do nasty things to you if you did that :P
[12:27] <Tm_T> kids...
[13:03] <jussi01> Just for everyones info, MenZa is now an op in #ubuntu-offtopic - be nice to him. :)
[13:03] <Myrtti> brilliant
[13:04] <Myrtti> MenZa: condolences
[13:04]  * MenZa waves happily.
[13:04]  * MenZa nods sadly at Myrtti.
[13:09] <Myrtti> graah, indus is messing things with his advice so badly
[13:10] <Myrtti> watch out for rekcya in #ubuntu
[13:10] <bazhang> awesome :)
[13:10] <Myrtti> [15:07] <~rekcya> do you know
[13:10] <Myrtti> [15:07] <~rekcya> how to hack
[13:10] <Myrtti> [15:07] <~rekcya> ?
[13:31] <jussi01> !ask
[13:31] <jussi01> yök
[13:31] <Myrtti> yeah well
[13:32] <Myrtti> he just did ask his question couple of times in #ubuntu
[13:32] <Myrtti> it just was too long in one line, and got cut off.
[13:32] <Myrtti> irony++
[13:32] <MenZa> lol
[13:32] <MenZa> Wasn't the catb.org link in the factoid at one point?
[13:32] <MenZa> I remember seeing it used extensively
[13:33] <MenZa> It could've been different sources, but it is a fairly good article.
[13:36] <elky> aw man, we're giving ops to just *anyone* these days!
[13:36] <elky> :P
[13:36] <MenZa> :P
[13:36] <MenZa> Hihi, Melissa.
[13:37] <elky> hihi lasse
[13:43] <jussi01> MenZa: huh?
[13:43]  * Myrtti gives jussi01 a cookie
[13:43] <MenZa> jussi01: JonathanElli1's factoid edit submission.
[13:44] <MenZa> And my English is, yet again, playing up. s/different sources/a different source/
[13:44] <MenZa> I blame the low caffeine levels in my system.
[13:44] <jussi01> MenZa: I was referencing this: [15:34:42] <MenZa> "Niggemann" has to be one of the worst names, ever.
[13:45] <jussi01> where did that come from?
[13:45] <MenZa> jussi01: the catb.org link. "Kai Niggemann" contributed, apparently.
[13:46] <jussi01> o.O
[13:47] <Pici> I didnt see a link o.O
[13:47] <MenZa> Pici: in *here*. JonathanElli1's edit suggestion to !ask.
[13:47] <MenZa> I tend to get lost in whatever links I click.
[13:47] <Pici> MenZa: oh..
[14:09] <gord> hi :)
[14:10] <Pici> Hi!
[14:13] <bazhang> w00t
[14:19] <MenZa> \o gord
[14:19] <jussi01> Just so everyone has noticed, we have added gord and MenZa to the ops list in #ubuntu-offtopic. please make them feel welcome and help them if they need it :)
[14:19] <Myrtti> gord: commiserations
[14:19]  * MenZa thinks Myrtti has a /newopohdear alias.
[14:20] <Myrtti> MenZa: no, it's just ungrateful job and I can't really fake my opinion that the job has more bad than good days :-<
[14:21] <Pici> Well, hopefully our new recruits can change that
[14:21] <Myrtti> it would be brilliant if the kids knew how to behave without any ops ;-)
[14:22]  * MenZa pets Myrtti 
[14:22] <MenZa> Alas, we don't live in a perfect world, Myrtti.
[14:22] <Myrtti> MenZa: which is why I'm the childlike lithmus paper
[14:22] <Myrtti> "wouldn't it be brilliant if"
[14:23] <topyli> "wouldn't it be nice to get on with me neighbours"
[14:23] <gord> "wouldn't it be nice if i had a cake"
[14:24] <bazhang> !cake
[14:24] <Tm_T> kids...
[14:24] <bazhang> aww
[14:26] <jussi01> !appdb
[14:26] <jussi01> grr sorry for the random factoid
[14:32] <Myrtti> bazhang, noticed that you were one of the people who told jonathan__(?) join ##windows for help - what his question might have also been was "how do I restore GRUB after installing Windows on my dualboot", he just didn't get that far before people jumped to saying he should ask in ##windows
[14:33] <bazhang> Myrtti, as was Pici
[14:33] <Myrtti> then both of you
[14:34] <Myrtti> this is imo on the same level of question as "how do I install ftp server" or "how do I compile C code"
[14:34] <Myrtti> you need to ask why people are asking before giving them any answers
[14:35] <Myrtti> in most cases, people who want to install ftp servers just want to share files, which could be done with sftp or some other secure method
[14:35] <bazhang> right.
[14:35] <Pici> To be honest, I didn't actually read his question.
[14:35] <Pici> Guess thats what I get for assuming that everyone else was correct in thinking that it was an offtopic question.
[14:35] <Myrtti> Pici: "I need help installing windows"
[14:36] <Myrtti> which may, or may not be offtopic
[14:36] <bazhang> he mentioned he had ubuntu and wanted to reinstall xp. nary a thing about installing grub
[14:36] <Myrtti> bazhang: nary?
[14:37] <Pici> Myrtti: just a antiquated way of saying 'not'
[14:37] <Myrtti> a
[14:38] <Myrtti> anyway, it may just be that if he had known to ask correctly, reinstalling grub would've been the correct question he should've asked
[14:38] <Myrtti> or was what he really meant
[14:38] <Myrtti> but because people jumped into the conclusion that his case goes to ##windows, he got told off by several people, got frustrated, and /parted with some harsh language
[14:38] <bazhang> s/antiquated/formal/
[14:40]  * genii makes more coffee
[14:41] <bazhang> told off? honestly? '##windows please'
[14:41] <Pici> bazhang: I think she means he got told off *in* ##windows
[14:42] <Pici> or I could be mistaken
[14:42] <bazhang> Pici, I think it was the xy#$%^ the mint people always help me
[14:42] <Myrtti> bazhang: that was after he was told by about 6 people to go to ##windows
[14:43] <Pici> Everyone makes mistakes, even operators.
[14:44] <bazhang> Myrtti, I don't feel I made a mistake here.
[14:44] <bazhang> asking politely to go to another channel is not 'jumping on someone'
[14:45] <Myrtti> bazhang: I'm not saying you individually did a mistake
[14:45] <Pici> Myrtti: Did you talk to him, or are we just assuming that he needed grub help?
[14:46] <bazhang> Myrtti, thanks for pointing it out; I will be sure to ask carefully next time to allay any possible miscommunications/etc
[14:46] <Myrtti> Pici: I'm telling what I saw, what it felt like to me, and what might have been the cause of his question, and a reason to his frustration
[14:46] <Myrtti> Pici: so in short, we're assuming
[14:48] <Myrtti> and btw, he quit just when I asked him the question on #ubuntu
[14:48] <Myrtti> so I didn't have a chance to get a reply
[14:49] <topyli> windows was involved. see where it leads!
[14:49] <Myrtti> bazhang: thanks, that was all I really wanted to do, to point out what might have been the root cause of it all - not pointing any finger at you (apart the fact that I didn't notice Pici's nick, otherwise I would've included him as well from the start)
[14:50] <Myrtti> just sharing my thoughts on it
[14:50] <bazhang> topyli, haha
[14:50] <bazhang> as always appreciated Myrtti
[16:51] <Pici> Lots of French people today
[16:52] <Myrtti> that's one of the old ones
[16:53] <Myrtti> or feels like it
[16:57] <Pici> guess so
[16:57] <Myrtti> yup, same guy
[16:58] <Myrtti> [18:52] [freenode] ~~~Boob_ [n=Boob@42.158.86-79.rev.gaoland.net]
[16:58] <Myrtti> [18:53] [freenode] ~~~Julien__ [n=Jullien@79.86.158.42]
[16:58] <Myrtti> his typo gave him away
[17:26] <Myrtti> aha, he's on new ip
[18:04] <MenZa> Guys, would you consider NakidGirl_With_I an offensive nickname?
[18:05] <MenZa> I don't see a major problem with it, but a user seems to. I'm looking for some opinions here.
[18:08] <jussi01> MenZa: would you put it in front of an 8year old?
[18:08] <MenZa> I don't see the nick itself being offensive in any way.
[18:09] <MenZa> Of course, I may just be hardened.
[18:09] <MenZa> Hence the request for second opinions :)
[18:09] <jussi01> aye,
[18:09] <MenZa> Your call, jussi01? Should I politely ask them to change their nickname in a /query?
[18:13] <Tm_T> MenZa: you can ask even if its not offensive (:
[18:13] <Tm_T> I do all the time
[18:14] <MenZa> For what purpose, Tm_T?
[18:15] <Tm_T> sometimes I just ask if I think it could be/get offensive
[18:15] <MenZa> Ah.
[18:15] <MenZa> I'll do that, then.
[18:16] <Tm_T> no harm asking
[18:16] <Tm_T> if result is "no" nothing lost
[18:17] <MenZa> indeed
[18:30] <MenZa> Tm_T, jussi01: Took a while for her to respond, but she says she'll change it next login session. Makes sense, as she's got about three or four tickets going in #ubuntu right now, so it'd get confusing if she decided to change it right now.
[18:31] <Tm_T> aye
[18:32] <Tm_T> if he likes to change her nick, then all good, I'm not easily pushing people to do that though
[18:32] <Tm_T> he/she/it
[18:33] <MenZa> indeed
[19:08] <Pici> ugh
[19:08] <Myrtti> I can't believe what I'm seeing
[19:09] <Myrtti> I'll start kicking people on first sight
[19:11] <Myrtti> could someone more impartial than me ask her to change her nick and refrain from making "I'm naked" comments
[19:12] <Myrtti> I'm not really coping with her nick anymore
[19:15] <Myrtti> also, has anyone talked to popey lately about the fate of ubuntu tweak?
[19:15] <Myrtti> wasn't he going to discuss it over with the creator?
[19:16] <Pricey> Myrtti: who where?
[19:16] <Pici> NakidGirl_With_I
[19:16] <Pricey> Myrtti: ah, nakidgrl_blah?
[19:16] <Myrtti> yes
[19:17] <Myrtti> I'm grinding my teeth to sand after the "I'm naked" "omg pics" convo
[19:17] <Myrtti> she did tell them politely to get lost, but still
[19:17] <Pici> 'she'
[19:17] <Pricey> Myrtti: I've just looked at backlog, nothing wrong with her conduct is there? Just the name, and therefore the responses they're getting?
[19:19] <Myrtti> whatever. I'll go to bed so I don't need to witness this and you don't need to do a thing
[19:46] <genii> Pici: Damn, beat me to the !ot
[19:47] <Pici> Myrtti beat me to the no politics
[19:47] <Myrtti> yeah, couldn't sleep yet
[19:48] <Pricey> move to PM
[21:02] <Seeker`_> nalioth: please can you prod mootbot logs please