/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/09/14/#ubuntuone.txt

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hyperairhello. how do i link my computer to my ubuntuone account?10:50
hyperairit doesn't seem to be connecting, nor does it appear to launch the webpage to add my computer10:51
jan____ohaI? anyone in?12:01
jan____the couchdb dev team needs a ubuntu one team member12:02
thisfredmornings all13:09
aquariushi thisfred13:09
aquariusI was talking to jan____ and jasondavies about what we need for per-db auth13:10
thisfredright13:11
aquariusthisfred, conversation at http://paste.ubuntu.com/270847/13:14
thisfredaquarius: thanks!13:15
thisfreddaily reboot time, brb13:16
* hyperair grumbles about ubuntuone not allowing me to add my computer to my account13:18
verterokhyperair: hi, what version do you have installed?13:19
hyperairverterok: 0.94.0-0ubuntu113:19
verterokhyperair: it's fixed in the nigthly ppa..(I think  in the beta too ppa). and hopefuly the new version (0.95) is going to be uploaded to karmic today/tomorrow13:21
hyperairi see13:22
hyperairthat's cool =)13:22
hyperairthanks for the info13:22
facundobatistaquestion: which is the final user way (ie: not using 'kill') of turning off the ubuntuone-client?13:31
Chipacafacundobatista: right click on the applet, quit13:33
Chipacafacundobatista: what, no applet?13:33
facundobatistaChipaca, I don't see the applet because it hides13:33
Chipacadbus-send --print-reply --session --dest=com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon --type=method_call / com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.SyncDaemon.quit13:34
Chipaca:-P13:34
facundobatistaChipaca, uglier than "kill"13:34
Chipaca20× uglier13:34
CardinalFangHej hej.13:37
aquariushey CardinalFang13:37
verterokfacundobatista: Nautilus --> Disconnect, then Applet --> right click --> quit :)13:38
dobeyhrmm13:41
facundobatistaverterok, thanks!13:41
aquariusCardinalFang, read your email. depressed by it13:42
CardinalFang<marvin-thr-robot-voice>I do that.  Sorry.</>13:43
CardinalFangaquarius, I think we're all here.  You said you wanted to talk about something.13:47
aquariusno thisfred :(13:47
aquariushe rebooted and never came back13:47
dobeythat doesn't seem a very marvin-ish thing to say13:47
CardinalFangAh, he disappeared.13:48
aquariuswhat I wanted to talk about was: is your prophecy of doom right, and if it is, what does this mean for our freeze exception?13:48
aquariusI am worried that it *is* right, which is why I'm depressed about it.13:48
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CardinalFangthisfred must've installed the bad kernel.14:01
dobeybad kernel?14:02
* CardinalFang shakes fist at 2.6.31.10.21 .14:02
dobeylike it failed to pop and he broke a tooth?14:02
aquariuser! there is a bad kernel?14:03
aquariusI'm not upgrading, then :)14:03
CardinalFangI don't know it it broke anyone else.  I do not want to start a scare.14:03
dobeytoo late14:03
dobeyaquarius is scared14:03
aquariusdamn, I was planning to upgrade again today to make pulseaudio not be rubbish14:03
CardinalFangI couldn't boot with it.  I fell back to  2.6.28-15 .14:03
dobey(and i just finished an update, thanks a lot, jerk!)14:04
aquariusI've been scared since I started running karmic. :)14:04
dobey.28?14:04
dobeyyou went back to a jaunty kernel?14:04
dobeywow14:04
CardinalFangIt was my previous.14:04
CardinalFangAt worst, you'll have to pick the other from the boot menu.14:04
dobeyaquarius: unfortunately, i don't think upgrading makes pulseaudio not be rubbish :(14:04
aquariusbah. One day it will.14:05
aquariusit was good a couple of days ago14:05
aquariusand now it's really crashy14:05
dobeyat least if it's crashing it doesn't keep resetting your volume levels14:05
dobeyi think i'll try rebooting and see what happens14:06
aquariusyou would think. but no.14:06
urbanape_aquarius, I made some absolutely killer progress on Bindwood on Friday.14:12
urbanape_A substantial chunk has been rewritten/reorganized14:12
aquariusCardinalFang, so what are your thoughts on what slipping auth means for our freeze exception?14:12
aquariusurbanape_, yay! excellent!14:12
urbanape_we were getting bit by some very subtle behavior.14:13
aquariusmm?14:13
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urbanapefor instance, when we first add a bookmark, we annotate it with a uuid.14:13
urbanapethat uuid annotation causes an immediate notification for onItemChanged, which then goes to look up that bookmark in Couch, and it can't find it, because it hadn't been saved there yet.14:14
aquariusheh. so we're not properly prepared for being re-entrant14:14
urbanaperealtively harmless, but those are the kinds of subtleties we were missing.14:14
urbanapewe are now.14:14
aquariuswinner!14:14
urbanapeI've got a little more to finish up before this branch is ready. when it is, it should properly handle the real flow of bookmark creation, completely sync bookmarks as expected, and keep network traffic to a minimum.14:15
urbanapedoesn't yet handle structure.14:15
aquariuscool14:15
urbanapebut it should close out a few of the blocker bugs14:16
* CardinalFang casts spell of Summon Thisfred.14:23
aquariuslooks like the spell was a fizzle14:26
dobeyok, there is something wrong other than the kernel with the latest updates :(14:27
dobeyall i got was a black screen for X with 5 different kernel versions14:28
dobeyi am quite unhappy with this14:28
* aquarius elects to not upgrade14:29
aquariusyay thisfred!14:31
aquariusproblem after rebooting, huh?14:31
thisfredwhew14:31
thisfredyeah, I'm in 2x2 pixel mode, but I finally got one machine working14:31
thisfredlesson learned: never upgrade both at the same time14:32
CardinalFangDang.14:32
dobeyaquarius: the interesting problem is... can i manage to somehow get the system updated again, since I can't access X, and the keyboard seems to not let me switch VTs :-/14:32
aquariusdobey, ssh from another machine?14:32
dobeyaquarius: maybe14:32
thisfredah, same problem huh.14:32
dobeyat least my new laptop requires me to not run karmic, so i do have a working machine :)14:33
* aquarius grins14:33
thisfredthe interesting thing is that fresh karmic installs don't give you the recovery boot option. fail.14:33
aquariusright, CardinalFang, thisfred, we need to decide what we're doing. is skype a bridge too far, thisfred?14:34
thisfredlet me try, sound seems to be working14:36
dobeyhrmm14:37
thisfredaquarius: I'm on skype14:37
dobeythis is not good :(14:37
thisfreddoes anyone know if there's a key to interrupt the boot sequence to be able to choose kernels/recovery on karmic?14:38
aquariusCardinalFang, skype?14:38
CardinalFangyesplease.14:38
aquariusCardinalFang, what's yhour skype id?14:39
aquariusthere are, like, a million chad millers ;)14:39
CardinalFangaquarius, I find three of you.  Which?14:40
aquariuskryogenix14:40
* thisfred == thisfred14:40
thisfredthere are advantages to having no imagination. if you don't care about privacy that is ;)14:41
dobeythisfred: the grub menu has kernel and then kernel (recovery) for all the kernel versions here...14:43
thisfreddobey: it does on my machine that I upgraded from jaunty. Fresh karmic installs don't show the grub menu at all14:44
thisfredboot speed being the golden calf14:45
dobeyeh14:46
dobeygrub takes 10s to load, just by itself14:47
dobeyeven if it were skipping the menu14:47
dobeythough I only have the menu showing on my machines that i have dual booting really14:47
aquariusstatik, ping.14:51
statikhi aquarius14:54
aquariusstatik, can we pull you into a skype discussion?14:54
dobeynice14:55
dobeyupdate-manager crashes on my other laptop14:55
dobeyand then tells me i can't report the problem because i have some outdated packages installed14:55
statikaquarius, sure thing14:55
jblount_MEETING BEGINS15:00
jblount_I'm on a call, so forgive the lack of witty banter, say "me" to get us started.15:00
urbanapeme15:00
teknicoon a call too15:01
CardinalFangme15:01
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vdsme15:01
statikme15:02
dobeypeople are slow today eh15:03
dobeyme i guess15:03
urbanapeDONE: Made huge strides on Bindwood, gutting, rewriting, and reorganizing quite a lot of code in an effort to close out bug # 404193 and bug # 39618615:04
urbanapeTODO: Finish up and promote it for merge.15:04
urbanapeBLOCK: None, thank the maker.15:04
urbanapeCardinalFang, the comfy chair!15:04
CardinalFangsorry!  come back to me.15:06
CardinalFangon a call.15:06
CardinalFangaquarius, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cmiller/desktopcouch/oauth-http301-fix/revision/4615:06
statikvds is next i think15:06
vdsDONE: managed to solve logs issues #405368, started a branch to fix a couple of issues with FX, lowercase pwd #416050 and a method that returns too much information #41806115:07
vdsTODO: finish the mentioned branch15:07
vdsBLOCKED: no15:07
vdsstatik all yours15:07
statikDONE: unexpected problems with python-setuptools and python-zope.schema; both fixed today but friday was tough (i lost the bug numbers though)15:07
statikTODO: Redo fixes for bug #402736 and bug #424023. Probably offline for some of the day to do some planning work.15:07
statikBLCK: Nope. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone/+bugs?field.tag=ubuntuone-karmic  has a lot of bugs though!15:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 402736 in lazr-js "Buttons seem not hooked up to js in IE8" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40273615:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 424023 in desktopcouch "Crash dump on 'couchdb' invocation" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42402315:07
statikdobey, your turn15:07
statikCardinalFang, just paste whenever you can15:07
dobey☺ DONE: Reviews, Fixed #397331 branch for review comments,15:07
dobey☹ TODO: Finish complicated rollout, Release 0.95.0, Fix #397005 BLCK: None.15:07
dobeyweird15:08
dobeyothers15:08
dobeyit's your turn15:08
statiki guess we need teknico and jblount, when they are able15:08
statikand aquarius15:09
statikMEETING ENDS15:09
statikhang in there everyone :) hopefully tomorrow everyone will be awake15:09
dobeyi'm awake15:10
dobeymy desktop just isn't... it's sleeping with the fishes15:11
dobey(well, win xp works fine, but not so great for developing linux apps)15:11
statiki'm so proud of myself, i did a backup over the weekend just in case15:12
dobeyhopefully my tarmac branch works right15:12
dobeyand rockstar lands it15:12
statiki saw your note about it, sounds pretty cool15:13
dobeythen we can branch client/protocol to stable branches, and set up a 'stable daily' ppa15:13
* gafton hates kernel crashes15:13
statikusing bzr-builder?15:13
dobeyno?15:13
aquariusCardinalFang, thisfred, http://paste.ubuntu.com/270943/15:13
dobeyi don't knwo what that is/does15:14
statikit's the nightly builds tool james_w wrote15:16
dobeyok, will have to look at it in 3 years when i have some time i guess :)15:18
statikmaybe rmcbride can do it15:18
_marx_gafton: nc.res.rr.com! me too15:21
* rmcbride looks at backscroll and curses his broken sound hardware15:25
rmcbridestatik: I will see what I can do. Haven't had the opportunity to do much with bzr-builder. this seems like a good time. I think a good first step would be converting my nightlies workflow to use bzr-builder instead15:27
teknicobetter late than never:15:32
aquariusthisfred, http://paste.ubuntu.com/270960/15:32
teknicoDONE: implemented adding contacts (#406315), talked with markgsaye about it15:32
teknicoTODO: contacts web ui (#399664): talk with jblount again, implement editing contacts (#406315)15:32
teknicoBLOCK: none15:32
aquarius⚀ DONE:  not as much as I thought15:33
aquarius⚁ TODO: get dc-records-oauth tested and merged into trunk (bug #415375); fix UnknownLoginError and make it be known (bug #376087); test android phone sync; turn on oauth for desktopcouch by default (bug #416413)15:33
aquarius⚂ BLOCKED: oauth in couch not working for querystrings, possibly; checking with jasondavies15:33
aquarius⚃ BUG COUNT:https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~sil/+assignedbugs?field.tag=ubuntuone-karmic - 215:33
ubottuBug 415375 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/415375 is private15:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 376087 in ubuntuone-client "UnknownLoginError during request for OAuth token" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37608715:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 416413 in desktopcouch "Create login details on initial desktopcouch setup" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41641315:33
thisfredaquarius: no luck at all, 800x600 it is15:49
thisfredaquarius: skype me in if the call is still ongoing15:49
dobeynice15:53
dobeyso my other laptop still boots after upgrading karmic15:53
dobeybut my panel and everything in it is invisible15:53
dobeyi only  see the shadow15:53
dobeynice :/15:54
aquariusCardinalFang, lp:~sil/desktopcouch/oauth-parameters-inserted16:04
CardinalFangExcellent5!16:04
aquariusthisfred, PYTHONPATH=. python -c "from couchdb import Server; from desktopcouch.records.server import CouchDatabase; d=CouchDatabase('blogdb', uri='http://localhost:5984', server_class=Server)"16:11
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dobeyrmcbride: are you using browser mode in nautilus?16:50
dobeylunch.17:00
rmcbridedobey: I try to avoid using nautilus as a browser unless there's something specific I need to replicate17:20
aquariusCardinalFang, how ar eyou getting on?17:26
aquariusI need to get going17:26
aquariusbut if there's anything I can do briefly before I go, say the word17:27
CardinalFangaquarius, Good.  See if there's anything wrong with  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~cmiller/desktopcouch/trunk-0.417:27
CardinalFangaquarius, Just pushed17:29
aquariusall the tests pass. Victory is ours.17:30
aquariuswell, except the one that we know is broken :)17:30
aquariusthat branch looks good to me.17:31
aquariusgood work, that man17:31
aquarius0.4!!!17:31
* aquarius dances17:31
CardinalFangaquarius, One sec.17:31
CardinalFangAn aside, I'm not using oauth when talking to ubuntu one couchdb.  What key should that be?17:31
aquariusthat's the key that's in the keyring17:32
aquariuswhich filesharing puts there.17:32
CardinalFangRgr.  Thanks.17:33
aquariusthat should already be being got, I think17:33
aquariusreplication_services/ubuntuone.py gets it,17:34
aquariussuper. Right, I'm going. Back tomorrow.17:34
* aquarius feels way more happy about the state of DC now. :)17:34
verterokdobey: I'm getting ImportError: cannot import name oauth, and have the latest python-oauth installed17:35
CardinalFangthisfred, I think I'm up to date on  lp:~cmiller/desktopcouch/trunk-0.417:56
thisfredCardinalFang: awesome: I just proposed a pretty trivial branch too17:56
thisfredCardinalFang: which makes the server "library" code independent of anything desktop once more17:57
thisfredCardinalFang: eh, so was that a todo for me? Can I help test that?17:58
CardinalFangthisfred, please do.17:58
thisfredCardinalFang: ok, will do17:58
DhulKarnainhello everyone18:03
DhulKarnaini have a question. is ubuntuone supported on jaunty 9.04 amd64?18:04
DhulKarnaini'm wondering cause i have a problem i reported and have seen couple of others have. namely i didn't get the Add my Computer screen after the installation and initial run of Ubuntu One, even after a couple of reboots. I don't see a way to add my computer to the list. i followed all the instructions on the installation page.18:06
thisfredCardinalFang: tests pass except for that create contacts one. Since it's a unit test for a functional test that we're not using, (which creates random users), I'm ok with explicitly skipping that one until we have more time. (I can't immediately see why it's failing with a 401, once I re-add the missing import of xdg-cache to the test)18:08
* thisfred now does actual code review18:08
thisfredCardinalFang: it will conflict with my branch, since you're adding stuff to server.py. I think some of it could go into server_base.py as well.18:10
dobeyDhulKarnain: it's a known issue and we're working on a fix right now18:11
DhulKarnainthank you. just wanted to know i'm not the only one and its being worked on. cheers18:11
thisfredCardinalFang: OAuthCapableHttp and OAuthAuthentication, I think18:12
thisfredCardinalFang:  but not OAuthCapableServer18:12
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CardinalFangRawk.  Xorg[5214]: segfault at 247598f7 ip 01c1a16d sp bf90b4e8 error 6 in libGLcore.so.185.18.36...18:19
dobeyrawk is for the birds18:33
dobeyrmcbride: 'browser' mode doesn't mean 'web browser' for nautilus... it means the giant ugly window with toolbars where you can open the same folder in multiple windnows, as opposed to spatial mode which only has one window per folder18:38
CardinalFangthisfred, Do you want me to merge your server_base into my trunk proposal?18:42
thisfredCardinalFang: it'll be a little bit more work maybe, but yes I think this would be good to get in asap too18:42
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CardinalFangthisfred, did you forget to add "server.py"?18:51
thisfredyes18:51
thisfredyes I did18:51
thisfredsorry18:51
CardinalFang:)18:51
thisfredCardinalFang: pushed!18:52
CardinalFangthisfred, Okay, I'm looking.19:36
CardinalFangthisfred, The tests fail, I note.19:36
thisfredCardinalFang: hmm, they passed here, except for the 401s which I thought were fixed by yours19:36
CardinalFangthisfred, where do we hook to  OAuthCapableServer  ?  Shouldn't it be in  CouchDatabaseBase.__init__(server_class= )  ?19:40
thisfredCardinalFang: ah, yes, that part was still missing when I branched19:40
thisfredso that should happen in server.py, not server_base, did I mess that up?19:41
thisfredCardinalFang: ah, no, ok: so in your version, it would have server=OAuthCapableServer in server.py, that's right19:43
CardinalFangthisfred, Yeah, but that became server_base, and you made a new server.  I'm on it.19:44
CardinalFangthisfred, so, line changed in server_base, and server_class is never passed via __init__ in server.19:47
CardinalFangTesting, and uploading in 1 min.19:47
CardinalFangthisfred, there's still one "desktopcouch" reference in server_base, if you care.19:49
thisfredCardinalFang: yes I care, sry was on the phone20:08
thisfredCardinalFang: so I should rereview or not pushed yet?20:09
CardinalFangthisfred, review.  It's all in ~cmiller trunk-0.4  .    desktopcouch.local_files.get_oauth_tokens() in server_base.py  It may be in a class you know about.20:11
* thisfred rereviews20:13
thisfredCardinalFang: ah, now gnome keyring and gtk are in server_base, they are exactly what the split was trying to push out. They don't seem to be used either. And yeah,I meant to say: OAuthCapableServer needs to be in server.py, the rest is fine in server_base.py I believe20:20
thisfredbut all the tests pass :)20:21
trothigardobey, hiya, I'm still having massive ubuntuone problems, is there any way i can clear out my online stuff and start from scratch?20:21
dobeywhat problems?20:22
trothigarmy files aren't displayed on the web. Also I'm having trouble syncing using karmic.20:23
trothigardobey, ^20:23
dobeyhave you filed a bug?20:24
trothigardobey, good point I haven't, though it would be rather generic, "ubuntuone fails to sync files" i guess apport would help20:25
dobeytrothigar: ubuntu-bug ubuntuone-client please20:27
dobeytrothigar: and you'll probably need to attach ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log by hand (and replace any filename occurrances in it you don't want others to see, first)20:28
thisfredCardinalFang: any word on that branch? I sort of need it to test the server side OAuth stuff with.21:10
thisfredCardinalFang: IOW: what can I do to help ;)21:10
CardinalFangthisfred, I was just about to ask if you're happy with the trunk-0.4 candidate.21:10
thisfredCardinalFang: as per ^^^, not unless you fixed those things21:11
CardinalFangI haven't moved it.21:11
CardinalFangOkay, I'll try.21:11
thisfredCardinalFang: the move is simple enough right? Just capable server  and those imports21:12
thisfrednothing should break21:12
dobeyfamous last words21:14
CardinalFangthisfred, Okay.  Review, plz.21:19
thisfredCardinalFang: aye aye!21:19
thisfredCardinalFang: server_base still imports gtk and gnomekeyring21:20
thisfredCardinalFang: and unused time21:20
CardinalFangI have three orange blobs in my new notification bar, all next to each other, ominously glowing.21:20
thisfredCardinalFang: hmm, maybe launchpad is slow21:21
CardinalFangWith black exclamation marks.21:21
thisfredbecause OAuthCapableServer also hasn't moved yet... :)21:21
CardinalFangWith that much glowing stuff all together, I worry about fission running out of control.21:22
_marx_any reason to think testing from a virtual machine shouldn't work?21:27
dobey_marx_: aside from the issues where it won't work outside of a vm, not really, no21:29
_marx_thx; web browser bit is working but not adding that machine21:31
_marx_jaunty as host karmic as guest21:32
dobeyworking in what way? you get the "add this computer" page to come up?21:32
_marx_from FF i can log in and see the files but the "add this computer" page does not come up21:33
* _marx_ going to double check w/actual karmic installation21:34
thisfredCardinalFang: PERFECTION!21:34
dobey_marx_: ok21:34
thisfredCardinalFang: except for one unused import in base: Resource...21:35
dobey_marx_: you're using what version?21:35
_marx_jaunty ppa from last night; karmic vm hasn't been updated today21:35
dobeywell the karmic one is what i presume you're saying doesn't work?21:36
_marx_yes21:36
dobey_marx_: and what is the package version there?21:36
_marx_karmic?21:37
dobeyyes21:37
_marx_bah, copy paste from vm no worky21:39
_marx_0.94.021:39
dobeyok21:40
dobey0.95.0 will be coming shortly and fixes that issue21:40
_marx_good to know I'll hold off on a bug report21:43
urbanapermcbride, not quite ready to rock and roll with Bindwood.21:57
rmcbrideurbanape: ah21:57
rmcbrideurbanape: I do have it installed on two machines, was just investigating why they don't seem to match. I'll wait on you to say "ready"21:58
urbanapeyeah, the patient is still getting stitched up on the operating table.21:59
urbanapeI'm going back in every so often to retrieve a clamp.22:00
urbanapehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JrxXRU1GOE22:00
dobeyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qlrBEHtJWw22:04
jonnich90_what do I do if a browser window never opens asking me if I want to add my computer?23:40
_marx_jonnich90_: jaunty or karmic?23:41
jonnich90_jaunty23:41
_marx_hum don't know on that one; earlier i was told adding isn't working on karmic23:41
dobeyjonnich90_: similar issues, update will be available soon23:42
_marx_worked fine for me setting up the first one on jaunty23:43
jonnich90_ok23:43
jonnich90_this may come as a very dumb question, but how are you two replying to me? lol23:43
* _marx_ using xchat, is that what you mean?23:44
dobey_marx_: setting up when?23:44
_marx_last night23:44
_marx_currently can't add a second machine from karmic; haven't tried adding a second machine from jaunty23:45
dobey_marx_: had that machine been previously configured?23:45
_marx_no, I installed last night, added this machine, put two files up23:46
jonnich90_I mean...I'm just typing in channel.  How would I reply to a certain user?  Would I just type "username:" before my message?23:46
_marx_this am I added an entire directory23:46
_marx_jonnich90_: tab completion23:47
jonnich90__marx_: ohhhhh23:47
_marx_in xchat type the first few characters then hit tab23:47
_marx_most irc clients do that23:47
jonnich90_xchat looks a little "scary" to me lol.  I've been using ubuntu for about a year23:48
jonnich90_still not completely comfortable with using the terminal23:48
* _marx_ been using it since 5.04, debian unstable before that23:48
_marx_'bout 10 years of linux joy23:48
jonnich90__marx_: I was just shown it last year at college...and I really like it23:49
dobeyheh23:49
dobeygood ole slackware 9523:49
* _marx_ once bought a boxed set of slackware 7 at bestbuy23:51
_marx_these days no more boxed sets of anything on retail shelves23:52
dobeyjust the 20 different versions of windows, and osx23:52
jonnichfor some reason I thought xchat was terminal based?23:53
_marx_ah but my LoCo has placed cds in Borders stores and AFEES23:53
dobeyjonnich: nah, bitchx is, and irssi, and ircii, and some others23:53
jonnichdobey, xchat would be preferred by most?23:54
jonnichdobey, just asking cuz I dont normally use IRC23:54
dobeyi don't know about that23:54
_marx_yeah, terminal based ones can be run in screen and then accessed anywhere via ssh23:55
dobeywhich is what i do23:55
_marx_and i will if i get that elusive it job23:55
dobeybut irc proxies give similar results as well23:55
jonnichso which programs do you use?23:56
_marx_yeah a novell bud was just telling me about one he uses23:56
dobeyi'm using irssi+screen23:56
dobeyyeah a lot of people use bip23:56
* _marx_ ponders packaging bitchx; it isn't in repos now23:59

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