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loboi was following a how-to, but i ran into trouble00:00
sidibut compiz shouldnt touch your network applet at all, which is why i think another part of what you did triggerred your problem00:00
sidimay you give us the howto's link please ?00:00
lobohttp://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4113554&postcount=3400:05
sidihm, thats for ubuntu 7.1000:05
loboyah i know it was for gutsy, but since it used synaptic and didnt have any customization like other installs i read, i figured it be the same.00:06
sidihttp://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/xubuntu-compiz-pretty-pretty-xubuntu/ that one should be better00:07
sidithe problem is that the main compiz package is really meant for gnome00:07
knomefor xfce00:07
knomeog00:07
knome*oh00:07
knomenevermind me...00:07
sidiand maybe some stuff in compiz plugins extra did some nasty stuff00:07
sidiyou're not losing anything anyway because the last time i used compiz none of them was working00:07
sidianother user recently reported that compizconfig-settings-manager would not actually edit his compiz settings, and said he managed to edit them by using simple-ccsm instead00:08
lobothe steps look exactly the same as i had followed previously00:11
lobothe problem i was running into was when running compiz --replace i'd get a blank white screen00:12
Roogarerhm, i'm assuming the swap file is what xubunutu is using as virtual memory?00:15
loboalso, ctrl+alt+bksp doesn't restart x.. or seem to do anything?00:15
sidiRoogar: its the most appropriate comparison, yes00:15
sidilobo: blank white screen most likely means GPU drivers problems00:16
loboam i supposed to manually add that to xmodmap or somewhereE?00:16
sidiAnd ctrl+alt+bksp has been disabled by default00:16
loboi see.00:16
sidiyou should install dontzap and run 'dontzap -e' to have it back00:16
Roogari tried to poke about to find a way to increase the size of the swap file but couldn't find one00:17
sidiRoogar: if you have 2 or more GBs of RAM you can remove the swap safely, but then you wont be able to use hiberation00:17
knomeRoogar, it's not a swap "file" exactly, but a swap partition00:17
sidiyou would need a partition editor to increase the swap, Roogar00:17
Roogarthe laptop i put xubuntu on is criminally slow and short of ram00:17
sidiHow much ram does it have ?00:17
Roogar192, xubunutu showing 180 though00:18
sidiWow00:18
Roogaryeah i know00:18
Roogarbut it was free and i thought i'd try some kind of linux distro on it00:18
Roogara friend told me xubuntu was grand for computers with shittacular hardware00:18
sidiWith so much ram, you could go through Applications -> Settings -> Session and disable what you don't need,00:18
lobohey is there a max size the swap file should be?00:18
TheSheep_Roogar: there are better distros for that00:19
loboi remember back in the day it was generally 1.5-2.5xRAM00:19
sidilobo: its recommended to put 1,5 * your RAM if you have less than 1GB00:19
sidiOtherwise, 1.1 * RAM is enough to ensure that hibernation will have enough room00:19
loboalright and how about 3GB?00:19
sidiand 0.0* your ram if you dont want your disk to be disturbed00:19
RoogarTheSheep_: i mainly need it to be a word processor. i got a professor who gives so many notes i can't keep up with writing, so i thought i'd try typing00:19
Roogarso if you have any other distro recommendations i'd love to hear them00:20
Roogari don't need this laptop to do a lot00:20
sidiRoogar: you may want to disable the services you don't need in Xubuntu, and if you think it's still too heavy, you can try PuppyLinux00:20
sidii think theyre really the best for very low resource usage00:20
sidiDamnSmallLinux too00:20
loboRoogar: what make/mod of your computer?00:20
Roogaracer aspire 300000:21
Roogarcirca 2004 i think00:21
lobodontzap isn't working00:26
ldezI have heard that about 2x your amount of RAM is appropriate for a swap partition.. I've only used Damn Small Linux for recovering HDD data.. but it's supposed to be pretty awesome for old crappy comps.. It's my understanding (which could be wrong) that Gentoo is pretty efficient for older machines.. however their community isn't as friendly as this one.00:32
loboRoogar: i'd sell it and buy another machine00:32
ldezI also think that www.distrowatch.com has an app where you can plug in some specs and system preferences and it will recommend different distros to you.00:32
Roogarlobo: who'd buy it?!00:38
lobothey're selling on ebay.00:40
Roogarhuh i've got two of them00:40
ldezsidi: You seem pretty pro, like you might be a dev... If this is so, do you have any recommendations for Java IDE's in Xubuntu? I have Ubuntu 9.04 with NetBeans on my desktop, but after seeing how well Xubuntu runs on the laptop I was fixing yesterday, if I could get NetBeans or something similiar on it, I think it might be worth switching to Xubuntu on my desktop.00:40
Roogarworth checking out i suppose00:40
tkingldez, xubuntu works fine for me, I don't see why you couldn't use it to run netbeans. it is xfce + gnome utilities + special ubuntu magic basically00:42
loboexpected value in good condition is $240, std dev of about $6000:42
tkingoh wait i'm in #xubuntu00:42
ldezYeah, I only briefly looked at the Add/Remove Applications in Xubuntu but I didn't see NetBeans on there00:44
ldezIt's probably in Synaptic but if there were any other awesome IDEs for Xubuntu I'd love to hear about them.00:44
loboldez: i wouldnt become a programmer if i were you.00:48
ldez:(00:49
lobohaha, dont cry00:49
ldezI just can't figure out if that is friendly advise or a mean-hearted insult....00:49
lobowhy would it be an insult?00:50
lobook, whats your major/00:50
loboCS?00:50
ldezI guess I'm just too used to people who like to flame online.... After this semester I'll be done with my Associates in Computer Science, then I'm transferring to a different school and hoping to finish Bachelors.00:50
sidilobo: dontzap shall work after next Xorg restart00:51
sidildez: im writing software, yes. If you have to use Java, then go for eclipse, latest from their website. But i personally dont like java at all :)00:52
sidildez: netbeans and eclipse shall work just as fine under Xubuntu00:52
ldezHah, good to know because I was wondering if I was the only one that loathed Java... lol00:52
lobonah java's alright.00:53
sidii dont like it00:54
loboits nice not to have to deal with some of the crap in other langs such as c/cpp00:54
sidii dont like OOP much anyway00:54
ldezFrom my limited experience I think that I'm going to prefer C++ a lot more. Within my experience I've enjoyed having more control over pointers and what not.. just seems like Java doesn't offer as much of that in depth.00:54
sidipython and lisp aside :D00:54
sidihaha, i hate C++ even more00:54
sidijava allows you to do a lot of stuff, but it remains sane. C++ is insane, imo00:54
sidiyou really have to know it by heart to can use it00:55
sidiwhile other languages allow you to do almost the same, with much less effort00:55
lobowell, if you want to learn programming for a job, many companies use some oop language00:57
sidiyeah, unfortunately00:59
sidibut i dont work for companies00:59
sidiI prefer companies to work for me ! :P00:59
lobono doubt, but why would they?01:00
loboyou use some jedi mind shit on them?01:00
sidiyou've got it01:01
x404xis there an easy way to turn wallpapers in xubuntu 90 degrees ?01:02
lobox404x: yes.01:03
Roogarhey that answered a question i had too!01:04
ldezYeah it seems like around here I haven't seen any jobs that don't require OOP.. pretty much everything here is C++, Java, or C#01:23
ldezBut then again maybe Oklahoma isn't the place to be if I want to be in the technology industry.... lol01:24
lobohey, whats the best looking terminal for transparency and border effects?02:37
obiwan_i like Terminal in xubuntu02:43
obiwan_i don't know it's name but it looks really nice02:43
lobothe default?02:48
loboi think its xterm02:48
lobomaybe not02:49
loboTerminal emulates xterm, which emulates the DEC VT102 terminal02:50
tkinglegacy upon legacy upon legacy03:00
keith1can anyone direct me to a live cd of xubuntu?03:47
lobohttp://www.xubuntu.org03:51
keith1lobo: I cant find it03:51
keith1Ive been trying a while now :S03:51
lobohttp://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/xubuntu-releases/9.04/release/03:52
keith1ya thats the exact server I got a copy from but it aint a live cd03:53
keith1I dont have a hard drive on the computer Im trying to put this on03:54
lobodid you check disk?03:54
keith1lobo: ya03:54
loboso its booting?03:55
keith1lobo:  ya sure....Ill get it going right now03:55
lobodo you get this screen:  http://gdisauro.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/03bootmenuf6.png03:56
keith1yup03:58
lobothen select 'Try Xubuntu without any change to your computer'03:58
keith1oh never noticed that as an option hehe let me reboot03:59
keith1silly silly me....03:59
keith1trying03:59
loboyeah it helps to read this stuff beforehand.  you'll get better with practice.04:00
keith1well usually you install once and you just click on install ...04:01
keith1;)04:01
keith1oh I dont have that option :S04:02
keith1the rest are the same plus I have Resue a broken system.04:03
keith1Im going to give that a try04:03
loboyou downloaded the alternate cd04:07
keith1no I didnt04:08
keith1lobo: no I didnt04:08
lobowell i believe that option is only on the alternate cd04:09
keith1lobo: interesting04:09
loboperhaps they have mislabeled the file.04:09
lobotry downloading from another source.  those canadians are tricksters.04:09
keith1lobo: I think you might have a good idea, thanks alot.04:09
ldezkeith1: Are you going for Intel x86 or AMD64 CD?04:10
keith1intel04:11
keith1lobo: oh and I just tried to dload the torrent and found out I dloaded the alternate.  So maybe I should try non-alternate?04:12
ldezHrm.. I used that link yesterday ( http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/xubuntu-releases/9.04/release/xubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.iso ) and the live boot worked fine.. So unless those canucks messed something up within the last day..04:12
ldezOr try this one.. http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs-Xubuntu/9.04/release/xubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.iso04:13
loboldez: he downloaded the alternate.  that link should be fine.04:13
ldezWhich, by the way, raises an interesting question.. why is Xubuntu mirrored from a .gov site?04:14
keith1ldez: lets find out why  ;)04:14
keith1its coming from the US department of Energy ;)04:15
ldezYeah, I was reading that too.... very strange.04:15
keith1ldez: ya04:16
lobodont download the gov't version.04:17
ldezlobo: Why do you say that?04:18
keith1lobo: Im trying the other waterloo copy...04:18
lobothey are known for shady fine print, such as 'by using this, this computer becomes property of the gov't'04:18
ldezYes, my thoughts exactly.. I'm somewhat worried now that my dad has the NSA in his OS....04:18
keith1lobo: wow that would be annoying04:18
ldezkeith1: They did the same thing through cars.gov during the "Cash for Clunkers".. any dealer who used their computers to fill out forms through that site... Their comp became property of the US Gov.04:19
ldezWhat lobo says is definitely well founded.. hence my immediate worry..04:19
keith1wow sounds absolutely crazy04:20
lobonah its totally legal.04:20
ldezLegal, yes... Moral.... maybe not so much..04:20
ldezWell I guess I'm reformatting a laptop tomorrow, lol.04:20
keith1so if I put such a disclaimmer on my site can I clain a few computers?04:21
ldezI suppose you could build as big of a botnet as you wanted, so long as all your zombies agreed to be zombies... Kind of like having to invite a vampire in to your home before they can enter, etc..04:22
loboi put some terms on some software i wrote back in the day--today i own the entire state of wisconsin.04:22
keith1sweet04:22
ldezlol04:22
keith1just thinking what countries Id like to own04:23
lobotoo bad it only gets me milk and cheese.  and those commercials are full of shit, there aint no power in cheese.04:23
keith1but you can convert the cow paddies to methane power04:24
ldezYeah, go green! anl.gov supports it!04:24
keith1hahah it would be awsome if the US gov got involved in green tech04:26
keith1a work week could be reduced to 4 days while solar panels controlled robots that did our work04:26
keith1no robot dreams I guess04:35
lobowhy would you want to do that?04:35
keith1just sick of 5 days a week of work hehehe04:36
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catherineI am trying to install Midnight Commander manually on Xubuntu. When I run ./configure the result says I dont have X11 Events support, what does that mean and how do I get it?09:17
_Pete_why dont you use mc from repos?09:18
catherineIm trying to learn09:18
_Pete_learn what?09:19
catherinecompiling stuff09:19
catherineIm using a guide from Linux from scratch09:19
_Pete_source packages usually have readme/install files which explains what's required to compile09:19
catherineaha, Ill check09:20
catherineThe INSTALL file says what it is, for the status of keyboard modifiers but not how to get it, its not listed as a requirement09:30
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mishrakdsag11:11
x404xhow do i get games in full screen ? clicking the full screen button does nothing12:41
TheSheepx404x: I suppose it depends on the game13:01
tasslehoffI'm on Jaunty with what I understand is a known issue with update-apt-xapian-index using lots of resources. Should I just uninstall it?15:23
TheSheepit only runs once a week15:24
SingAlong_hi all16:59
SingAlong_i installed xubuntu-desktop on my Ubuntu Netbook Remix. Still on the xubuntu desktop the ubuntu netbook launcher shows up. I disabled the UNR launcher in the start applications, and it still starts up. any way to disable this?17:00
SingAlong_i tried switching the desktop moe too. and it shows up again after restart17:01
Sysiit should stop if you take ume-launcher away17:01
SingAlong_Sysi: you mean removing the pkg from system?17:02
Sysior it was under that name in eeebuntu17:02
SingAlong_Sysi: I'm on an Acer Aspire One17:02
SingAlong_Sysi: I downloaded the official Ubuntu Netbook Remix version.17:02
Sysii just took it away from autostarted apps, and it worked17:02
SingAlong_Sysi: it worked for me before i installed xubuntu. got this weird problem now17:03
SingAlong_Sysi: do you know any place from which i can remove it manually?17:03
Sysiit may need to take off on both17:03
Sysignome and xfce17:03
SingAlong_Sysi: oh!17:03
SingAlong_Sysi: apparently i did some strange stuff on gnome and i screwed it up. i can see the desktop launcher on gnome (and the usual top panel). but i dont care abt gnome. coz xfce is what I'm going to run17:04
SingAlong_*cant see the desktop launcher on gnome17:04
SingAlong_*cant*17:05
SingAlong_but it runs on xfce.17:05
Sysiif you don't need it you can unistall it17:05
Sysithat should work at least17:05
SingAlong_sysi. ya doing that17:05
SingAlong_Sysi: now I've got lxde, xfce and gnome(gnome is screwed up anyway)17:06
SingAlong_xfce is what i use.17:06
SingAlong_lxde i installed just to try it out17:06
Sysixfce <317:06
SingAlong_sysi: ya so simple :D17:06
Sysilxde is fast but xfce nice17:06
SingAlong_sysi: i like both so i'm keeping both.17:07
SingAlong_sysi, i tend to run apps like eclipse etc sometimes so keeping both17:07
Sysii installed fedora which is enough fast with xfce too17:07
SingAlong_sysi: fedora!!!???!!!?17:08
SingAlong_sysi: doesnt thar slow down the netbook?17:08
SingAlong_sysi: i ran emacs, firefox, file explorer and boom! it slows down on gnome.17:09
Sysifedora is nice17:09
Sysimaybe bit unstable but fast and nice packet manager17:09
SingAlong_sysi: only gnome seems to be good at detecting and mounting file partitions.17:11
SingAlong_sysi: i already got an error. how do i mount a partition? my file manager (PCManFIlemanager) doesnt auto-mount it when i click on it17:11
Sysimount /where/it/is17:13
Sysiif you need to mount it often you may should edit /etc/fstab17:14
SingAlong_Sysi: ya so i need to know where the partitions are right? i'm searching for the command to list partitions17:15
Sysifdisk -l17:16
SingAlong_Sysi: fdisk -l doesnt list anything17:17
Sysiit may require being root17:18
SingAlong_Sysi: ya worked now with sudo17:18
SingAlong_Sysi: is there any tool to create fstab?17:22
Sysimousepad, nano etc17:22
SingAlong_Sysi: oh you mean a text editor :D k17:23
Sysiit is text file17:23
SingAlong_Sysi: what do i specify for a ntfs drive? ntfs or ntfs-3g?17:23
Sysihmm, i don't know about ntfs17:24
SingAlong_Sysi: ya got it working. i found a solution here http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HAL#Troubleshooting17:31
SingAlong_sysi: under the section "Still not working?"17:31
AraneidaeEvery now and then sound crashes on my machine, and I have to restart X to get it back.17:51
AraneidaeAnybody else met this?17:52
AraneidaeSeems to happen if I leave a flash app with sound open for a long time17:52
TheSheepAraneidae: you use Adobe's flash plugin?17:53
TheSheepit's known to cause all sorts of problems17:53
AraneidaeGood question, not sure: how can I tell?17:54
TheSheepunfortunately we can't fix it, it's closed source17:54
AraneidaeI guess I probably am17:54
AraneidaeDo you know what program needs to be restarted to get my sound back again?17:54
TheSheepAraneidae: in firefox go to tools->addons->plugins and see what's for flash on the list17:54
AraneidaeShockwave Flash 10.0 r3217:55
AraneidaeIs that Adobe?17:55
TheSheepyes17:56
Araneidaeok.17:56
TheSheepthere are almost no alternatives, to be honest17:56
AraneidaeI wonder what's keeping the sound broken after flash has been closed.17:57
TheSheepdo you close firefox?17:58
AraneidaeWell, not yet, because I've got to make some notes, but just about to.17:58
A2NYdo you have a no sound condition now ?17:58
TheSheepyou can see what is running in the system monitor17:58
AraneidaeThink then I'll go through killing my daemons until I get sound back.17:58
A2NYmake sure firefox isnt still running17:58
A2NYkillall firefox17:59
Araneidae*Think* so.  Actually, there's not much running as me right now17:59
AraneidaeHang on a minute or two.17:59
AraneidaeWhat's a simple program to test sound? (stupid question, I know)!17:59
TheSheepbeep17:59
TheSheepor aplay18:00
AraneidaeHuh: beep not installed!  I guess I need something to feed to aplay?18:01
TheSheepaplay /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/gpm-critical-power.wav18:01
AraneidaeSounds promising!18:01
TheSheepgpm-suspend-failure.wav18:01
TheSheepthis one is longer18:01
AraneidaeHmm.  That goes "plop", so I guess sound isn't completely dead!18:01
AraneidaeYep, sounds ok.  That's interesting.  Hum.  I'll try reopening the flash app and see if it plays sound18:02
AraneidaeHuh.  Problem's gone away for now, magically, of its own volition18:03
TheSheepignore them and they go away ;)18:03
AraneidaeYeah.18:04
AraneidaeI've got a machine in the lab which died 5 times in three days ... and now it's under observation?18:04
AraneidaeOperating perfectly :(18:04
TheSheepit's called heisenbug18:04
AraneidaeAh, yes18:05
alienkid10what packages should be on a ubuntu based windows rescue disk besides ntfs-3g19:36
alienkid10that one is obvious19:37
Sysibest rescue is "use entire drive" :P19:37
geniigparted, ddrescue, clonezilla, probably a ton of other crap19:37
alienkid10what's a good image util?19:37
alienkid10*slaps head DUH19:38
alienkid10clonezilla19:38
alienkid10wow19:38
alienkid10honesty that sounds like all I would need19:38
alienkid10gparted and clonzilla and a file browser19:39
alienkid10anything wrong with that idea?19:39
geniialienkid10: Maybe take a look at the contents of Ultimate Boot CD and see what sorts of stuff they have on there for ideas http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/19:40
alienkid10k19:40
alienkid10is that Window based?19:41
geniialienkid10: They have a bunch of different boot options on it, some freedos, some linux, etc etc19:44
alienkid10ah19:44
alienkid10thanks19:45
geniinp19:45
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cristinahello there (first appearance on this channel)!20:26
cristinai need help with my ubuntu with xfce computer20:26
cristinathe screen is rotated and in a scrambled resolution, so i am basically locked out20:27
cristinahow can i reset the screen resolution?20:28
geniicristina: Was the screen like this since Xubuntu was installed or just happened?20:30
cristinait worked, but since i tried to connect an external monitor this happened20:30
cristinaand deplugging the monitor doesn't help20:31
geniicristina: I would recommend to gain a console by ctrl-alt-f1   then: sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old        then: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart20:32
geniiNot uppercase X in X11 there also20:32
genii*Note20:32
cristinait still goes back to the strange graphics mode20:39
cristinashould i specify the resolution in the xorg.conf maybe?20:40
SineDeviancehi all... i'm having some issues, maybe you can help21:31
knome!ask | SineDeviance21:31
ubottuSineDeviance: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)21:31
SineDeviancei had ubuntu 9.04 installed. i got tired of gnome and wanted to go to xfce so i installed xubuntu-desktop21:31
SineDeviancethen, i followed the 'purexfce' procedure to get to a pure xubuntu21:32
SineDevianceafter that, i shut the system down and went to sleep. tried to boot it today and it wont boot. after grub i get 'ACPI: not started because crc failed' and right after 'kernel panic: VFS could not mount root filesystem on unknown block wm(hd0,0)'21:33
CosineDeviancecrap i got disconnected21:38
TheSheepSineDeviance: that looks more like a hardware failure21:39
TheSheep!language | CosineDeviance21:39
ubottuCosineDeviance: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.21:39
CosineDeviancemy language? what?21:39
CosineDeviancecrap isn't a bad word ...21:39
CosineDevianceanyways i dont think it's a hardware problem because i'm in winxp on that same computer21:40
Sysihardware don't care about os when it breaks21:40
TheSheepunless that acpi message was that before and is unrelated21:41
CosineDevianceSysi, yes but if it WAS hardware then it'd be my hdd, and i wouldn't be able to use winxp21:41
CosineDevianceor could be the sata port. either way21:41
TheSheepCosineDeviance: the kernel panic message means that the kernel can't find the partition on which linux is intalled, this can be because of several reasons21:42
CosineDevianceSysi, also i booted sysrescd to backup files just in case. it read the drive fine21:42
CosineDevianceTheSheep, ahh, ok21:42
CosineDeviancethat's a relief21:42
CosineDeviancewell i'll just reinstall then21:42
CosineDevianceeverything is backed up and at this rate it'll probably be easiest21:43
TheSheepCosineDeviance: 1. the disk is not visible to the kernel for some reason, 2. the root partition passed in the boot parameters is wrong21:43
TheSheep3. the partition is corrupted21:43
CosineDevianceTheSheep, yeah. it's odd. grub can read the partition, because it's reading menu.lst. so it must be a problem with menu.lst or with something else21:44
CosineDeviancein any case i've been wanting to convert xubuntu's partition from ext3 to ext4 for a while now, this is just the perfect opportunity21:44
TheSheepif you didn't mess with the boot parameters and it worked before, then either some program corrupted the partition in a way that makes it still readable for grub, but not for the full-fledged kernel, or hardware issues prevent the kernel from seeing the disk or partition21:46
TheSheepthe latter seems to be more probable, thus my comment that it looks like a hardware issue21:46
CosineDevianceTheSheep, yeah... but if it was so, why would system rescue cd be able to see and copy tons of files off the drive?21:50
CosineDeviancewell the xubuntu disc just finished burning. i'm about to see :D21:51
CosineDeviancethanks for your help all21:51
SineDeviancehi again, everyone. okay, so this is particularly odd. i have reinstalled xubuntu and on the provided stock kernel (2.6.28-11-generic) all is good. system boots, everything works. but after updating and trying the NEW kernel (2.6.28-15-generic) i get the same error i got before (the ACPI crc error and the kernel panic)22:55
SineDeviancei am using xubuntu right now on the old kernel. I can't explain this one22:56
SineDeviancethe only thing i can figure is, the initrd for the new kernel somehow got hosed?22:59

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