[00:00] <lobo> i was following a how-to, but i ran into trouble
[00:00] <sidi> but compiz shouldnt touch your network applet at all, which is why i think another part of what you did triggerred your problem
[00:00] <sidi> may you give us the howto's link please ?
[00:05] <lobo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4113554&postcount=34
[00:05] <sidi> hm, thats for ubuntu 7.10
[00:06] <lobo> yah i know it was for gutsy, but since it used synaptic and didnt have any customization like other installs i read, i figured it be the same.
[00:07] <sidi> http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/xubuntu-compiz-pretty-pretty-xubuntu/ that one should be better
[00:07] <sidi> the problem is that the main compiz package is really meant for gnome
[00:07] <knome> for xfce
[00:07] <knome> og
[00:07] <knome> *oh
[00:07] <knome> nevermind me...
[00:07] <sidi> and maybe some stuff in compiz plugins extra did some nasty stuff
[00:07] <sidi> you're not losing anything anyway because the last time i used compiz none of them was working
[00:08] <sidi> another user recently reported that compizconfig-settings-manager would not actually edit his compiz settings, and said he managed to edit them by using simple-ccsm instead
[00:11] <lobo> the steps look exactly the same as i had followed previously
[00:12] <lobo> the problem i was running into was when running compiz --replace i'd get a blank white screen
[00:15] <Roogar> erhm, i'm assuming the swap file is what xubunutu is using as virtual memory?
[00:15] <lobo> also, ctrl+alt+bksp doesn't restart x.. or seem to do anything?
[00:15] <sidi> Roogar: its the most appropriate comparison, yes
[00:16] <sidi> lobo: blank white screen most likely means GPU drivers problems
[00:16] <lobo> am i supposed to manually add that to xmodmap or somewhereE?
[00:16] <sidi> And ctrl+alt+bksp has been disabled by default
[00:16] <lobo> i see.
[00:16] <sidi> you should install dontzap and run 'dontzap -e' to have it back
[00:17] <Roogar> i tried to poke about to find a way to increase the size of the swap file but couldn't find one
[00:17] <sidi> Roogar: if you have 2 or more GBs of RAM you can remove the swap safely, but then you wont be able to use hiberation
[00:17] <knome> Roogar, it's not a swap "file" exactly, but a swap partition
[00:17] <sidi> you would need a partition editor to increase the swap, Roogar
[00:17] <Roogar> the laptop i put xubuntu on is criminally slow and short of ram
[00:17] <sidi> How much ram does it have ?
[00:18] <Roogar> 192, xubunutu showing 180 though
[00:18] <sidi> Wow
[00:18] <Roogar> yeah i know
[00:18] <Roogar> but it was free and i thought i'd try some kind of linux distro on it
[00:18] <Roogar> a friend told me xubuntu was grand for computers with shittacular hardware
[00:18] <sidi> With so much ram, you could go through Applications -> Settings -> Session and disable what you don't need,
[00:18] <lobo> hey is there a max size the swap file should be?
[00:19] <TheSheep_> Roogar: there are better distros for that
[00:19] <lobo> i remember back in the day it was generally 1.5-2.5xRAM
[00:19] <sidi> lobo: its recommended to put 1,5 * your RAM if you have less than 1GB
[00:19] <sidi> Otherwise, 1.1 * RAM is enough to ensure that hibernation will have enough room
[00:19] <lobo> alright and how about 3GB?
[00:19] <sidi> and 0.0* your ram if you dont want your disk to be disturbed
[00:19] <Roogar> TheSheep_: i mainly need it to be a word processor. i got a professor who gives so many notes i can't keep up with writing, so i thought i'd try typing
[00:20] <Roogar> so if you have any other distro recommendations i'd love to hear them
[00:20] <Roogar> i don't need this laptop to do a lot
[00:20] <sidi> Roogar: you may want to disable the services you don't need in Xubuntu, and if you think it's still too heavy, you can try PuppyLinux
[00:20] <sidi> i think theyre really the best for very low resource usage
[00:20] <sidi> DamnSmallLinux too
[00:20] <lobo> Roogar: what make/mod of your computer?
[00:21] <Roogar> acer aspire 3000
[00:21] <Roogar> circa 2004 i think
[00:26] <lobo> dontzap isn't working
[00:32] <ldez> I have heard that about 2x your amount of RAM is appropriate for a swap partition.. I've only used Damn Small Linux for recovering HDD data.. but it's supposed to be pretty awesome for old crappy comps.. It's my understanding (which could be wrong) that Gentoo is pretty efficient for older machines.. however their community isn't as friendly as this one.
[00:32] <lobo> Roogar: i'd sell it and buy another machine
[00:32] <ldez> I also think that www.distrowatch.com has an app where you can plug in some specs and system preferences and it will recommend different distros to you.
[00:38] <Roogar> lobo: who'd buy it?!
[00:40] <lobo> they're selling on ebay.
[00:40] <Roogar> huh i've got two of them
[00:40] <ldez> sidi: You seem pretty pro, like you might be a dev... If this is so, do you have any recommendations for Java IDE's in Xubuntu? I have Ubuntu 9.04 with NetBeans on my desktop, but after seeing how well Xubuntu runs on the laptop I was fixing yesterday, if I could get NetBeans or something similiar on it, I think it might be worth switching to Xubuntu on my desktop.
[00:40] <Roogar> worth checking out i suppose
[00:42] <tking> ldez, xubuntu works fine for me, I don't see why you couldn't use it to run netbeans. it is xfce + gnome utilities + special ubuntu magic basically
[00:42] <lobo> expected value in good condition is $240, std dev of about $60
[00:42] <tking> oh wait i'm in #xubuntu
[00:44] <ldez> Yeah, I only briefly looked at the Add/Remove Applications in Xubuntu but I didn't see NetBeans on there
[00:44] <ldez> It's probably in Synaptic but if there were any other awesome IDEs for Xubuntu I'd love to hear about them.
[00:48] <lobo> ldez: i wouldnt become a programmer if i were you.
[00:49] <ldez> :(
[00:49] <lobo> haha, dont cry
[00:49] <ldez> I just can't figure out if that is friendly advise or a mean-hearted insult....
[00:50] <lobo> why would it be an insult?
[00:50] <lobo> ok, whats your major/
[00:50] <lobo> CS?
[00:50] <ldez> I guess I'm just too used to people who like to flame online.... After this semester I'll be done with my Associates in Computer Science, then I'm transferring to a different school and hoping to finish Bachelors.
[00:51] <sidi> lobo: dontzap shall work after next Xorg restart
[00:52] <sidi> ldez: im writing software, yes. If you have to use Java, then go for eclipse, latest from their website. But i personally dont like java at all :)
[00:52] <sidi> ldez: netbeans and eclipse shall work just as fine under Xubuntu
[00:52] <ldez> Hah, good to know because I was wondering if I was the only one that loathed Java... lol
[00:53] <lobo> nah java's alright.
[00:54] <sidi> i dont like it
[00:54] <lobo> its nice not to have to deal with some of the crap in other langs such as c/cpp
[00:54] <sidi> i dont like OOP much anyway
[00:54] <ldez> From my limited experience I think that I'm going to prefer C++ a lot more. Within my experience I've enjoyed having more control over pointers and what not.. just seems like Java doesn't offer as much of that in depth.
[00:54] <sidi> python and lisp aside :D
[00:54] <sidi> haha, i hate C++ even more
[00:54] <sidi> java allows you to do a lot of stuff, but it remains sane. C++ is insane, imo
[00:55] <sidi> you really have to know it by heart to can use it
[00:55] <sidi> while other languages allow you to do almost the same, with much less effort
[00:57] <lobo> well, if you want to learn programming for a job, many companies use some oop language
[00:59] <sidi> yeah, unfortunately
[00:59] <sidi> but i dont work for companies
[00:59] <sidi> I prefer companies to work for me ! :P
[01:00] <lobo> no doubt, but why would they?
[01:00] <lobo> you use some jedi mind shit on them?
[01:01] <sidi> you've got it
[01:02] <x404x> is there an easy way to turn wallpapers in xubuntu 90 degrees ?
[01:03] <lobo> x404x: yes.
[01:04] <Roogar> hey that answered a question i had too!
[01:23] <ldez> Yeah it seems like around here I haven't seen any jobs that don't require OOP.. pretty much everything here is C++, Java, or C#
[01:24] <ldez> But then again maybe Oklahoma isn't the place to be if I want to be in the technology industry.... lol
[02:37] <lobo> hey, whats the best looking terminal for transparency and border effects?
[02:43] <obiwan_> i like Terminal in xubuntu
[02:43] <obiwan_> i don't know it's name but it looks really nice
[02:48] <lobo> the default?
[02:48] <lobo> i think its xterm
[02:49] <lobo> maybe not
[02:50] <lobo> Terminal emulates xterm, which emulates the DEC VT102 terminal
[03:00] <tking> legacy upon legacy upon legacy
[03:47] <keith1> can anyone direct me to a live cd of xubuntu?
[03:51] <lobo> http://www.xubuntu.org
[03:51] <keith1> lobo: I cant find it
[03:51] <keith1> Ive been trying a while now :S
[03:52] <lobo> http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/xubuntu-releases/9.04/release/
[03:53] <keith1> ya thats the exact server I got a copy from but it aint a live cd
[03:54] <keith1> I dont have a hard drive on the computer Im trying to put this on
[03:54] <lobo> did you check disk?
[03:54] <keith1> lobo: ya
[03:55] <lobo> so its booting?
[03:55] <keith1> lobo:  ya sure....Ill get it going right now
[03:56] <lobo> do you get this screen:  http://gdisauro.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/03bootmenuf6.png
[03:58] <keith1> yup
[03:58] <lobo> then select 'Try Xubuntu without any change to your computer'
[03:59] <keith1> oh never noticed that as an option hehe let me reboot
[03:59] <keith1> silly silly me....
[03:59] <keith1> trying
[04:00] <lobo> yeah it helps to read this stuff beforehand.  you'll get better with practice.
[04:01] <keith1> well usually you install once and you just click on install ...
[04:01] <keith1> ;)
[04:02] <keith1> oh I dont have that option :S
[04:03] <keith1> the rest are the same plus I have Resue a broken system.
[04:03] <keith1> Im going to give that a try
[04:07] <lobo> you downloaded the alternate cd
[04:08] <keith1> no I didnt
[04:08] <keith1> lobo: no I didnt
[04:09] <lobo> well i believe that option is only on the alternate cd
[04:09] <keith1> lobo: interesting
[04:09] <lobo> perhaps they have mislabeled the file.
[04:09] <lobo> try downloading from another source.  those canadians are tricksters.
[04:09] <keith1> lobo: I think you might have a good idea, thanks alot.
[04:10] <ldez> keith1: Are you going for Intel x86 or AMD64 CD?
[04:11] <keith1> intel
[04:12] <keith1> lobo: oh and I just tried to dload the torrent and found out I dloaded the alternate.  So maybe I should try non-alternate?
[04:12] <ldez> Hrm.. I used that link yesterday ( http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/xubuntu-releases/9.04/release/xubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.iso ) and the live boot worked fine.. So unless those canucks messed something up within the last day..
[04:13] <ldez> Or try this one.. http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs-Xubuntu/9.04/release/xubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.iso
[04:13] <lobo> ldez: he downloaded the alternate.  that link should be fine.
[04:14] <ldez> Which, by the way, raises an interesting question.. why is Xubuntu mirrored from a .gov site?
[04:14] <keith1> ldez: lets find out why  ;)
[04:15] <keith1> its coming from the US department of Energy ;)
[04:15] <ldez> Yeah, I was reading that too.... very strange.
[04:16] <keith1> ldez: ya
[04:17] <lobo> dont download the gov't version.
[04:18] <ldez> lobo: Why do you say that?
[04:18] <keith1> lobo: Im trying the other waterloo copy...
[04:18] <lobo> they are known for shady fine print, such as 'by using this, this computer becomes property of the gov't'
[04:18] <ldez> Yes, my thoughts exactly.. I'm somewhat worried now that my dad has the NSA in his OS....
[04:18] <keith1> lobo: wow that would be annoying
[04:19] <ldez> keith1: They did the same thing through cars.gov during the "Cash for Clunkers".. any dealer who used their computers to fill out forms through that site... Their comp became property of the US Gov.
[04:19] <ldez> What lobo says is definitely well founded.. hence my immediate worry..
[04:20] <keith1> wow sounds absolutely crazy
[04:20] <lobo> nah its totally legal.
[04:20] <ldez> Legal, yes... Moral.... maybe not so much..
[04:20] <ldez> Well I guess I'm reformatting a laptop tomorrow, lol.
[04:21] <keith1> so if I put such a disclaimmer on my site can I clain a few computers?
[04:22] <ldez> I suppose you could build as big of a botnet as you wanted, so long as all your zombies agreed to be zombies... Kind of like having to invite a vampire in to your home before they can enter, etc..
[04:22] <lobo> i put some terms on some software i wrote back in the day--today i own the entire state of wisconsin.
[04:22] <keith1> sweet
[04:22] <ldez> lol
[04:23] <keith1> just thinking what countries Id like to own
[04:23] <lobo> too bad it only gets me milk and cheese.  and those commercials are full of shit, there aint no power in cheese.
[04:24] <keith1> but you can convert the cow paddies to methane power
[04:24] <ldez> Yeah, go green! anl.gov supports it!
[04:26] <keith1> hahah it would be awsome if the US gov got involved in green tech
[04:26] <keith1> a work week could be reduced to 4 days while solar panels controlled robots that did our work
[04:35] <keith1> no robot dreams I guess
[04:35] <lobo> why would you want to do that?
[04:36] <keith1> just sick of 5 days a week of work hehehe
[09:17] <catherine> I am trying to install Midnight Commander manually on Xubuntu. When I run ./configure the result says I dont have X11 Events support, what does that mean and how do I get it?
[09:18] <_Pete_> why dont you use mc from repos?
[09:18] <catherine> Im trying to learn
[09:19] <_Pete_> learn what?
[09:19] <catherine> compiling stuff
[09:19] <catherine> Im using a guide from Linux from scratch
[09:19] <_Pete_> source packages usually have readme/install files which explains what's required to compile
[09:20] <catherine> aha, Ill check
[09:30] <catherine> The INSTALL file says what it is, for the status of keyboard modifiers but not how to get it, its not listed as a requirement
[11:11] <mishrak> dsag
[12:41] <x404x> how do i get games in full screen ? clicking the full screen button does nothing
[13:01] <TheSheep> x404x: I suppose it depends on the game
[15:23] <tasslehoff> I'm on Jaunty with what I understand is a known issue with update-apt-xapian-index using lots of resources. Should I just uninstall it?
[15:24] <TheSheep> it only runs once a week
[16:59] <SingAlong_> hi all
[17:00] <SingAlong_> i installed xubuntu-desktop on my Ubuntu Netbook Remix. Still on the xubuntu desktop the ubuntu netbook launcher shows up. I disabled the UNR launcher in the start applications, and it still starts up. any way to disable this?
[17:01] <SingAlong_> i tried switching the desktop moe too. and it shows up again after restart
[17:01] <Sysi> it should stop if you take ume-launcher away
[17:02] <SingAlong_> Sysi: you mean removing the pkg from system?
[17:02] <Sysi> or it was under that name in eeebuntu
[17:02] <SingAlong_> Sysi: I'm on an Acer Aspire One
[17:02] <SingAlong_> Sysi: I downloaded the official Ubuntu Netbook Remix version.
[17:02] <Sysi> i just took it away from autostarted apps, and it worked
[17:03] <SingAlong_> Sysi: it worked for me before i installed xubuntu. got this weird problem now
[17:03] <SingAlong_> Sysi: do you know any place from which i can remove it manually?
[17:03] <Sysi> it may need to take off on both
[17:03] <Sysi> gnome and xfce
[17:03] <SingAlong_> Sysi: oh!
[17:04] <SingAlong_> Sysi: apparently i did some strange stuff on gnome and i screwed it up. i can see the desktop launcher on gnome (and the usual top panel). but i dont care abt gnome. coz xfce is what I'm going to run
[17:04] <SingAlong_> *cant see the desktop launcher on gnome
[17:05] <SingAlong_> *cant*
[17:05] <SingAlong_> but it runs on xfce.
[17:05] <Sysi> if you don't need it you can unistall it
[17:05] <Sysi> that should work at least
[17:05] <SingAlong_> sysi. ya doing that
[17:06] <SingAlong_> Sysi: now I've got lxde, xfce and gnome(gnome is screwed up anyway)
[17:06] <SingAlong_> xfce is what i use.
[17:06] <SingAlong_> lxde i installed just to try it out
[17:06] <Sysi> xfce <3
[17:06] <SingAlong_> sysi: ya so simple :D
[17:06] <Sysi> lxde is fast but xfce nice
[17:07] <SingAlong_> sysi: i like both so i'm keeping both.
[17:07] <SingAlong_> sysi, i tend to run apps like eclipse etc sometimes so keeping both
[17:07] <Sysi> i installed fedora which is enough fast with xfce too
[17:08] <SingAlong_> sysi: fedora!!!???!!!?
[17:08] <SingAlong_> sysi: doesnt thar slow down the netbook?
[17:09] <SingAlong_> sysi: i ran emacs, firefox, file explorer and boom! it slows down on gnome.
[17:09] <Sysi> fedora is nice
[17:09] <Sysi> maybe bit unstable but fast and nice packet manager
[17:11] <SingAlong_> sysi: only gnome seems to be good at detecting and mounting file partitions.
[17:11] <SingAlong_> sysi: i already got an error. how do i mount a partition? my file manager (PCManFIlemanager) doesnt auto-mount it when i click on it
[17:13] <Sysi> mount /where/it/is
[17:14] <Sysi> if you need to mount it often you may should edit /etc/fstab
[17:15] <SingAlong_> Sysi: ya so i need to know where the partitions are right? i'm searching for the command to list partitions
[17:16] <Sysi> fdisk -l
[17:17] <SingAlong_> Sysi: fdisk -l doesnt list anything
[17:18] <Sysi> it may require being root
[17:18] <SingAlong_> Sysi: ya worked now with sudo
[17:22] <SingAlong_> Sysi: is there any tool to create fstab?
[17:22] <Sysi> mousepad, nano etc
[17:23] <SingAlong_> Sysi: oh you mean a text editor :D k
[17:23] <Sysi> it is text file
[17:23] <SingAlong_> Sysi: what do i specify for a ntfs drive? ntfs or ntfs-3g?
[17:24] <Sysi> hmm, i don't know about ntfs
[17:31] <SingAlong_> Sysi: ya got it working. i found a solution here http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HAL#Troubleshooting
[17:31] <SingAlong_> sysi: under the section "Still not working?"
[17:51] <Araneidae> Every now and then sound crashes on my machine, and I have to restart X to get it back.
[17:52] <Araneidae> Anybody else met this?
[17:52] <Araneidae> Seems to happen if I leave a flash app with sound open for a long time
[17:53] <TheSheep> Araneidae: you use Adobe's flash plugin?
[17:53] <TheSheep> it's known to cause all sorts of problems
[17:54] <Araneidae> Good question, not sure: how can I tell?
[17:54] <TheSheep> unfortunately we can't fix it, it's closed source
[17:54] <Araneidae> I guess I probably am
[17:54] <Araneidae> Do you know what program needs to be restarted to get my sound back again?
[17:54] <TheSheep> Araneidae: in firefox go to tools->addons->plugins and see what's for flash on the list
[17:55] <Araneidae> Shockwave Flash 10.0 r32
[17:55] <Araneidae> Is that Adobe?
[17:56] <TheSheep> yes
[17:56] <Araneidae> ok.
[17:56] <TheSheep> there are almost no alternatives, to be honest
[17:57] <Araneidae> I wonder what's keeping the sound broken after flash has been closed.
[17:58] <TheSheep> do you close firefox?
[17:58] <Araneidae> Well, not yet, because I've got to make some notes, but just about to.
[17:58] <A2NY> do you have a no sound condition now ?
[17:58] <TheSheep> you can see what is running in the system monitor
[17:58] <Araneidae> Think then I'll go through killing my daemons until I get sound back.
[17:58] <A2NY> make sure firefox isnt still running
[17:59] <A2NY> killall firefox
[17:59] <Araneidae> *Think* so.  Actually, there's not much running as me right now
[17:59] <Araneidae> Hang on a minute or two.
[17:59] <Araneidae> What's a simple program to test sound? (stupid question, I know)!
[17:59] <TheSheep> beep
[18:00] <TheSheep> or aplay
[18:01] <Araneidae> Huh: beep not installed!  I guess I need something to feed to aplay?
[18:01] <TheSheep> aplay /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/gpm-critical-power.wav
[18:01] <Araneidae> Sounds promising!
[18:01] <TheSheep> gpm-suspend-failure.wav
[18:01] <TheSheep> this one is longer
[18:01] <Araneidae> Hmm.  That goes "plop", so I guess sound isn't completely dead!
[18:02] <Araneidae> Yep, sounds ok.  That's interesting.  Hum.  I'll try reopening the flash app and see if it plays sound
[18:03] <Araneidae> Huh.  Problem's gone away for now, magically, of its own volition
[18:03] <TheSheep> ignore them and they go away ;)
[18:04] <Araneidae> Yeah.
[18:04] <Araneidae> I've got a machine in the lab which died 5 times in three days ... and now it's under observation?
[18:04] <Araneidae> Operating perfectly :(
[18:04] <TheSheep> it's called heisenbug
[18:05] <Araneidae> Ah, yes
[19:36] <alienkid10> what packages should be on a ubuntu based windows rescue disk besides ntfs-3g
[19:37] <alienkid10> that one is obvious
[19:37] <Sysi> best rescue is "use entire drive" :P
[19:37] <genii> gparted, ddrescue, clonezilla, probably a ton of other crap
[19:37] <alienkid10> what's a good image util?
[19:38] <alienkid10> *slaps head DUH
[19:38] <alienkid10> clonezilla
[19:38] <alienkid10> wow
[19:38] <alienkid10> honesty that sounds like all I would need
[19:39] <alienkid10> gparted and clonzilla and a file browser
[19:39] <alienkid10> anything wrong with that idea?
[19:40] <genii> alienkid10: Maybe take a look at the contents of Ultimate Boot CD and see what sorts of stuff they have on there for ideas http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[19:40] <alienkid10> k
[19:41] <alienkid10> is that Window based?
[19:44] <genii> alienkid10: They have a bunch of different boot options on it, some freedos, some linux, etc etc
[19:44] <alienkid10> ah
[19:45] <alienkid10> thanks
[19:45] <genii> np
[20:26] <cristina> hello there (first appearance on this channel)!
[20:26] <cristina> i need help with my ubuntu with xfce computer
[20:27] <cristina> the screen is rotated and in a scrambled resolution, so i am basically locked out
[20:28] <cristina> how can i reset the screen resolution?
[20:30] <genii> cristina: Was the screen like this since Xubuntu was installed or just happened?
[20:30] <cristina> it worked, but since i tried to connect an external monitor this happened
[20:31] <cristina> and deplugging the monitor doesn't help
[20:32] <genii> cristina: I would recommend to gain a console by ctrl-alt-f1   then: sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old        then: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[20:32] <genii> Not uppercase X in X11 there also
[20:32] <genii> *Note
[20:39] <cristina> it still goes back to the strange graphics mode
[20:40] <cristina> should i specify the resolution in the xorg.conf maybe?
[21:31] <SineDeviance> hi all... i'm having some issues, maybe you can help
[21:31] <knome> !ask | SineDeviance
[21:31] <SineDeviance> i had ubuntu 9.04 installed. i got tired of gnome and wanted to go to xfce so i installed xubuntu-desktop
[21:32] <SineDeviance> then, i followed the 'purexfce' procedure to get to a pure xubuntu
[21:33] <SineDeviance> after that, i shut the system down and went to sleep. tried to boot it today and it wont boot. after grub i get 'ACPI: not started because crc failed' and right after 'kernel panic: VFS could not mount root filesystem on unknown block wm(hd0,0)'
[21:38] <CosineDeviance> crap i got disconnected
[21:39] <TheSheep> SineDeviance: that looks more like a hardware failure
[21:39] <TheSheep> !language | CosineDeviance
[21:39] <CosineDeviance> my language? what?
[21:39] <CosineDeviance> crap isn't a bad word ...
[21:40] <CosineDeviance> anyways i dont think it's a hardware problem because i'm in winxp on that same computer
[21:40] <Sysi> hardware don't care about os when it breaks
[21:41] <TheSheep> unless that acpi message was that before and is unrelated
[21:41] <CosineDeviance> Sysi, yes but if it WAS hardware then it'd be my hdd, and i wouldn't be able to use winxp
[21:41] <CosineDeviance> or could be the sata port. either way
[21:42] <TheSheep> CosineDeviance: the kernel panic message means that the kernel can't find the partition on which linux is intalled, this can be because of several reasons
[21:42] <CosineDeviance> Sysi, also i booted sysrescd to backup files just in case. it read the drive fine
[21:42] <CosineDeviance> TheSheep, ahh, ok
[21:42] <CosineDeviance> that's a relief
[21:42] <CosineDeviance> well i'll just reinstall then
[21:43] <CosineDeviance> everything is backed up and at this rate it'll probably be easiest
[21:43] <TheSheep> CosineDeviance: 1. the disk is not visible to the kernel for some reason, 2. the root partition passed in the boot parameters is wrong
[21:43] <TheSheep> 3. the partition is corrupted
[21:44] <CosineDeviance> TheSheep, yeah. it's odd. grub can read the partition, because it's reading menu.lst. so it must be a problem with menu.lst or with something else
[21:44] <CosineDeviance> in any case i've been wanting to convert xubuntu's partition from ext3 to ext4 for a while now, this is just the perfect opportunity
[21:46] <TheSheep> if you didn't mess with the boot parameters and it worked before, then either some program corrupted the partition in a way that makes it still readable for grub, but not for the full-fledged kernel, or hardware issues prevent the kernel from seeing the disk or partition
[21:46] <TheSheep> the latter seems to be more probable, thus my comment that it looks like a hardware issue
[21:50] <CosineDeviance> TheSheep, yeah... but if it was so, why would system rescue cd be able to see and copy tons of files off the drive?
[21:51] <CosineDeviance> well the xubuntu disc just finished burning. i'm about to see :D
[21:51] <CosineDeviance> thanks for your help all
[22:55] <SineDeviance> hi again, everyone. okay, so this is particularly odd. i have reinstalled xubuntu and on the provided stock kernel (2.6.28-11-generic) all is good. system boots, everything works. but after updating and trying the NEW kernel (2.6.28-15-generic) i get the same error i got before (the ACPI crc error and the kernel panic)
[22:56] <SineDeviance> i am using xubuntu right now on the old kernel. I can't explain this one
[22:59] <SineDeviance> the only thing i can figure is, the initrd for the new kernel somehow got hosed?