[02:11] <ScottK> Quassel uploaded (didn't even have to break the freeze to do it).  ;-)
[02:45] <shtylman> what the hell...
[02:45] <shtylman> my openoffice kde file dialog has no text when I right click...
[02:45] <shtylman> how does that happen!!
[03:11] <shtylman> ok...this is some serious voodo bs
[03:11] <shtylman> the file dialog shows the text fine with qtcurve style
[03:11] <shtylman> but shows NO text with oxygen style
[03:11] <shtylman> wtf!!!
[03:11] <shtylman> there has to be a reasonable explanation for this!
[03:15] <seele> anyone going to be in london next week?
[03:22] <jjesse> are you?
[03:35]  * jjesse beds
[04:27] <nixternal> shtylman: I just realized, I totally forgot to add an "Office" section to the slideshow :D
[05:02] <rgreening> oh no
[05:02] <rgreening> :P
[05:17] <maco> when Riddell comes back, tell him yes, i'm still alive
[06:01] <apachelogger> shtylman: did the installer package land yet?
[06:01] <apachelogger> ScottK: is choqok on the netbooky, if not, should we change that?
[06:23] <apachelogger> hm
[06:23] <apachelogger> apparently launchpad depends on firefox nowadays
[06:23] <apachelogger> ah
[06:23] <apachelogger> in konqueror it works
[06:24] <apachelogger> that is considerably good, I only need 2 browsers to edit a bug
[06:24] <apachelogger> good thing I do not need 2 operating systems to operate 2 browsers though
[06:25] <apachelogger> apparently I was too excited, the button does not work in konqueror
[06:25] <apachelogger> on to arora
[06:26] <apachelogger> no luck
[06:26] <apachelogger> opera it is
[06:30] <apachelogger> oh, opera 10 looks fancy I must say
[06:30] <apachelogger> hooray for opera
[06:33]  * apachelogger starts beating up kdesudo since launchpad is out of range
[06:41] <apachelogger> it is quite interesting how tools that are supposed to help with distro development always get in my way
[06:41] <apachelogger> to the point where I file bug reports about the tools rather than actually fixing stuff
[08:17] <apachelogger> dpm: ping
[08:18] <dpm> hey apachelogger, morning
[08:18] <apachelogger> dpm: morning :)
[08:18] <apachelogger> dpm: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2009-July/003090.html about timezones4
[08:19]  * dpm reads...
[08:19] <apachelogger> is it possible to have it imported from kdebase-runtime but mapped to kde4libs?
[08:20] <apachelogger> as I see it we either import and list it under kdebase-runtime or we map it somehow to kde4libs (former is inconsistent with upstream though)
[08:23]  * dpm looks in Rosetta
[08:37] <dpm> apachelogger: yeah, I think we can do the mapping in Rosetta (template listed in LP under kde4libs, but the actual source package is kdebase-runtime). Let me confirm this with the Rosetta devs to be certain and I'll come back to you later on. Btw, would it not be easier to sort this out in the packages and get kde4libs to generate the template instead of kdebase-runtime? (just wondering)
[08:39] <apachelogger> dpm: kde4libs does not include the source of kdebase-runtime so it cannot generate this particular pot
[08:41] <dpm> ah, ok
[08:50]  * apachelogger finds dpkg-divert quite sick
[09:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[10:08] <freinhard> Riddell: built and installed pyqt4 4.8.4 for karmic yesterday, tested some pyqt apps (printer config, jokey) and seems to work. what now? debdiff? ppa?
[10:08] <Riddell> freinhard: PPA is good
[10:08] <Riddell> hi apachelogger
[10:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: hola, please review http://paste.ubuntu.com/271381/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/271380/
[10:11] <apachelogger> I am replacing dpkg-divert in kdesudo with update-alternatives
[10:11] <apachelogger> getting rid of the diversion is quite hackish though
[10:12] <apachelogger> kdesudo pre-depends kdebase-runtime and that removes the diversion while conflicting and breaking older versions of kdesudo thus forcing it into intermediate removal
[10:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm well looks ok, hard to say without testing it, maybe put in a PPA for testing?
[10:19] <freinhard> erm, where does dput upload things in case i forgott to specify my ppa as target?
[10:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, will do that
[10:20] <Riddell> freinhard: to ubuntu but it'll be discarded since you're not on the key ring
[10:30] <freinhard> Riddell: k, uploaded.
[10:37] <shtylman> apachelogger: not that I know of...
[10:37] <apachelogger> shtylman: whom to poke?
[10:39] <shtylman> apachelogger: evand over at ubuntu-installer
[10:42] <neversfelde> Riddell: amarok is in ninja PPA and bzr
[10:42] <Riddell> neversfelde: rock!
[10:42] <Riddell> did I ever mention that Qt is a beast?
[10:42] <Riddell> well Qt 4.6 is even more of a beast
[10:46] <ghostcube> rofl
[10:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: does 4.6 have multi-OS-tarball already?
[10:55] <Sput> according to the blog entry, it does
[10:58] <freinhard> yay, more useless traffic
[10:59] <freinhard> apachelogger: just commtied a fix for kdesudo.
[11:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: not that I've seen
[11:06] <apachelogger> freinhard: a fancy one I hope :D
[11:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, we should establish some policy... like 3 developers need to agree to implement a dpkg-divert
[11:07] <apachelogger> getting rid of that is an incredible PITA
[11:09] <freinhard> apachelogger: nope, just redirected bugs to lp, not that fancy ;)
[11:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: that dpkg-divert was the course recommended to me by the author of dpkg
[11:09] <apachelogger> jeez
[11:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/apachelogger/ppa/ubuntu karmic main
[11:11] <apachelogger> updated runtime and kdesudo
[11:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh, pretty pretty please move the install-package trunk ownership to some team I am member of
[11:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh sorry, but go ahead and just push it to ~kubuntu-members
[11:23] <Riddell> I can mark my branch as obsolete
[11:23] <apachelogger> I cannot do that I think
[11:23] <Riddell> why not?
[11:23] <apachelogger> because you own it :P
[11:23] <apachelogger> who am I to decide your software is obsolete
[11:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: anyway, youd still need to change the trunk series
[11:23] <Riddell> well I just said so, you have my full blessing
[11:24] <apachelogger> otherwise lp:install-package will get the wrong branch
[11:24] <Riddell> I can change that too
[11:24]  * apachelogger pushes to members
[11:27] <shtylman> apachelogger: I am waiting on feedback in ubuntu-release about the new package...and if that works out...I will be able to merge into ubiquity trunk
[11:27] <shtylman> apachelogger: I don't know what else has to be done after that... evand said 'binary new'
[11:27] <shtylman> apachelogger: but that doesn't really mean anything to me :)
[11:27] <apachelogger> shtylman: an archive admin needs to approve the new package
[11:27] <apachelogger> Riddell or ScottK can do that
[11:27] <Riddell> I can indeed
[11:27] <shtylman> goodie
[11:28] <shtylman> Riddell: do you need a branch location?
[11:28] <apachelogger> shtylman: first the package needs to be built :)
[11:28] <shtylman> lp:~shtylman/ubiquity/kubuntu-installer-style
[11:28] <apachelogger> binary new is part of the package publishing processing
[11:28] <shtylman> gotcha
[11:29] <apachelogger> package gets uploaded -> built -> if build successful and new package -> queue -> archive admin approves or rejects -> depend on that it gets published or not
[11:32] <shtylman> apachelogger: does the package get built from the trunk of a particular project? or from anywhere?
[11:33] <apachelogger> shtylman: any, that process applies to all new packages
[11:33] <Riddell> from what gets uploaded
[11:34] <shtylman> I see
[11:36] <apachelogger> I am wondering if bug 278722 is just to annoy me or if our KDE really breaks that often
[11:36] <apachelogger> anyway
[11:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: what do we do about it?
[11:36] <apachelogger> I still think that xterm would be a saver bet than x-terminal-emulator
[11:36] <apachelogger> especially since latter can be konsole and if KDE fails to start it is likekly that konsole also fails
[11:37] <Tm_T> indeed
[11:39] <micmord> apachelogger: I agree, konsole in a failsafe session can not serve
[11:40]  * apachelogger checks xterm size
[11:40]  * apachelogger grmubles
[11:40] <apachelogger> almost 1MiB
[11:42] <apachelogger> Recommends: logrotate, xserver-xorg-core | xserver,
[11:42] <apachelogger>  kdebase | x-session-manager | x-window-manager, xterm | x-terminal-emulator
[11:42] <apachelogger> unless we blacklist xterm it actually should be on the karmic cd
[11:42] <apachelogger> oh
[11:43] <apachelogger> actually, x-terminal-emulator is probably provided by konsole
[11:43] <ryanakca> Riddell, shtylman: Wiki changes really live now
[11:43] <apachelogger> Provides: x-terminal-emulator
[11:43] <apachelogger> meh
[11:44] <micmord> apachelogger: no, konsole doesn't provide x-terminal-emulator
[11:44] <micmord> see my comment #5
[11:44] <apachelogger> micmord: it does now
[11:44] <apachelogger> I mean packgewise
[11:45] <micmord> apachelogger: are you sure?  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/271409/
[11:45] <apachelogger> yes I am sure
[11:45] <apachelogger> I am looking at the most recent control file right now
[11:45] <micmord> ok :-P
[11:49] <apachelogger> well, this is all a bit lamish alrigt
[11:50] <apachelogger> xsession provides that hook handling xsession
[11:50] <apachelogger> eh
[11:50] <apachelogger> handling failesafe
[11:51] <apachelogger> anyway, so either the alternatives priority of konsole needs to be super low so it gets not default
[11:51] <apachelogger> though that still requires kdm to recommend xterm only
[11:51] <apachelogger> at times all this stuff annoys me quite a bit
[11:52] <apachelogger> well
[11:52] <apachelogger> screw it
[11:52]  * apachelogger goes for the low hanging fruit
[12:11] <apachelogger> neversfelde: ping
[12:12] <neversfelde> apachelogger: pong
[12:13] <apachelogger> neversfelde: wanna ask the krita doods if they would consider debundling the photoshop plugin stuff from koffice?
[12:13] <apachelogger> into a seperately released tarball that is
[12:13] <apachelogger> otherwise we can't provide psd support in ubuntu (graphicmagick which appears to be a dep of that beasty) is in universe and I doubt we will get it to main
[12:14] <apachelogger> so ultimately the plugin needs to be built in universe as well
[12:15] <neversfelde> mhh, I know no one from the koffice project
[12:15] <neversfelde> but if no one else can do it, I can ask them
[12:17] <neversfelde> apachelogger: what is psd support?
[12:17] <apachelogger> psd = photoshop file
[12:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: please drop oooqs2-kde form the archives
[12:21] <apachelogger> unmaintained upstream and incredibly broken
[12:21] <apachelogger> rather KDE3ish as well
[12:22] <apachelogger> freinhard: are we even allowed to do upstream releases for kdesudo? :S
[12:22]  * apachelogger doubts that we can upload a tarball to lp, so it would not be an official release
[12:23] <apachelogger> must talk to tonio
[12:23] <freinhard> apachelogger: no idea, just did what all other changelog entries did before ;)
[12:23] <apachelogger> oh well, tonio can sort that out :P
[12:23] <apachelogger> need some testing
[12:23] <apachelogger> everyone go add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/apachelogger/ppa/ubuntu karmic main  and upgrade
[12:23] <apachelogger> that should upgrade kdesudo and kdebase-runtime
[12:24] <apachelogger> and hopefully not break either of them due to maintainer scripts issues
[12:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: uh we still have that thing?
[12:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: failsafe, yes
[12:29] <apachelogger> find it incredibly pointless though, could as well go to a tty
[12:32] <freinhard> apachelogger: apport: "sorry, the package kdebase-runtime 4:4.3.1-0ubuntu1 failed to install or upgrade."
[12:36] <freinhard> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/271416
[12:37] <freinhard> apachelogger: second try: http://paste.ubuntu.com/271417
[12:39] <davmor2> Riddell: cd eject issue is fixed :)
[12:39] <Riddell> that's fortunate, it would be a pretty poor alpha with an issue like that
[12:41] <davmor2> Riddell: I didn't say there weren't other issue just that, that one was fixed ;)
[12:42] <apachelogger> freinhard: lol, that issue is pretty crappy alright
[12:42] <apachelogger> insane me wants to write sh with makefile magic :D
[12:44] <apachelogger> freinhard: uploaded fix for that, should be built in half an hour or so
[12:45] <apachelogger> davmor2: there were others?
[12:45] <freinhard> apachelogger: k, i'll check that later
[12:45] <apachelogger> issues are to be reported, triaged, and left rotting :D
[12:46] <davmor2> apachelogger: Yes I just couldn't find them till I could boot a cd :)
[12:46] <apachelogger> at times one can also skip the triaging
[12:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: what is your opinoin on screensaver by default?
[12:46] <apachelogger> wrote a mail about that to the list a week ago or so
[12:48] <freinhard> screensaver? haven't seen that since the late 1990s ;)
[12:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: I've always been against screensavers on the grounds of them having no point
[12:50] <apachelogger> good :)
[12:51] <apachelogger> should we ship some though
[12:51] <apachelogger> I imagine users looking for something but not finding anything
[12:51] <apachelogger> possibly we could also do a update-notifier implementation like we have in kaffeine, arora and friends
[12:53] <Riddell> open screensaver kcontrol module and it prompts to install kscreensaver?
[12:54] <apachelogger> aye
[12:54] <Riddell> that seems like a good idea
[13:00] <Riddell> ooh qt 4.6 works
[13:00] <Riddell> now what PPA to put it in?
[13:02] <apachelogger> super experimental?
[13:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: experimental I guess
[13:03]  * apachelogger thinks that we need an experimental staging repo
[13:03] <apachelogger> that way we could build stuff so it doesnt depend on qt 4.6
[13:04] <apachelogger> it's not like users would install qt 4.6 just because they don't check twice, right? ;)
[13:04] <apachelogger> if [ ! `echo $$file | grep './po/'` ]; then\
[13:05] <apachelogger> is there a more sensible approach to archive that in sh?
[13:05]  * apachelogger knows there is ?? in bash, but according to the manpage that operator does not exist in sh
[13:22] <freinhard> apachelogger: besides some unkown media types, works.
[13:22] <freinhard> apachelogger: should /usr/bin/kdesudo be a symlink?
[13:22] <apachelogger> no
[13:22] <apachelogger> usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu should
[13:23] <freinhard> k, then everything is fine
[13:24] <apachelogger> yay
[13:28] <Riddell> lots of talk of this nitrogen kwin decoration on planet, maybe we should package it
[13:34] <Sput> too late
[13:35] <Sput> ah, though, you guys still ship KDE 4.3
[13:35] <Sput> it's just been merged into oxygen for 4.4
[13:37] <Riddell> right but for karmic might be nice
[13:40] <freinhard> Riddell: uploaded pyqt4 and sip to my ppa for karmic and jaunty
[13:44] <ScottK> Riddell: Tonio made packages for it at one point.
[13:47] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: think we could sneak in a plasma-widget-networkmanagement update before alpha 6?
[13:47]  * JontheEchidna could update the package
[13:49] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I just did one yesterday
[13:49] <JontheEchidna> oh, so you did
[13:49] <JontheEchidna> wonder how I missed that
[13:49] <apachelogger> mhh, nitrogen for karmic ... lets better wait for KDE 4.4 :)
[13:49] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: if you fancy fixing the  upload I did to kubuntu-ppa/backports that would be lovely
[13:49]  * JontheEchidna will take a look
[13:49] <apachelogger> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/pkg-kde-tools/ubuntu <---- !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[13:50] <apachelogger> you have no idea how difficult it is to import anything into bzr without loosing something important
[13:50] <JontheEchidna> whoa, did you import the svn repo?
[13:50] <apachelogger> it is git
[13:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: kdesu upgrade worked perfectly
[13:50] <apachelogger> svn prolly would have been easier
[13:50] <apachelogger> but since git is superior to bzr
[13:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: cool
[13:51] <Riddell> neversfelde: amarok works perfectly
[13:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: could you also give the upgrade a shot ... add my ppa and upgrade, that should pull in new runtime and kdesudo
[13:51] <JontheEchidna> ah, the diversion funkiness?
[13:51] <neversfelde> Riddell: for me too
[13:52] <Riddell> Nightrose: when is amarok release due?
[13:52] <Nightrose> Riddell: tomorrow late morning
[13:53] <Riddell> hmm, do we break alpha freeze to get it into alpha or not bother?
[13:54] <neversfelde> probably important that amarok 2.2 gets enough testing before beta
[13:54] <apachelogger> dont break
[13:54] <apachelogger> doesn't make much difference does it
[13:54] <apachelogger> neversfelde: if it lands tomorrow or on friday doesn't make all that much of a diff :P
[13:54] <neversfelde> ok
[13:54] <apachelogger> IMHO at least
[13:55] <Nightrose> rc tagging on monday
[13:55] <Nightrose> if that helps to decide
[13:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/pkg-kde-tools/ubuntu/revision/58
[13:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: what do you think about that change?
[13:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: should be fine
[13:56] <apachelogger> if pot extraction fails we know why :D
[13:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: bonus points if you work out a way for it not to generate .pot files for kde-l10n-xx packages
[13:57] <apachelogger> that would be easy if we hand't dh7 and cdbs at the same time :S
[14:00] <Riddell> it is a pain that
[14:01] <Riddell> I'm sure dh7 is all very nice but I'm not convinced the Debian world needs yet another build system
[14:01] <rgreening> Riddell: I have two kspashx running on login and they hang unless I kill one. One seems UID 1000 and the other root. I have myself setup to auto-login and I expect this is why both ksplashx end up running at the same time. YOu need to retool your patch or remove as this currently will prevent any auto-login from working.
[14:01] <Riddell> rgreening: that's next on my todo list
[14:01] <rgreening> ok
[14:01] <rgreening> \o/
[14:02] <Riddell> just takes a mouse click to work around in the mean time :)
[14:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: it is pretty neat for stuff that does not have a .mk file that sorts everything
[14:02] <rgreening> btw Riddell, usb-creator translations working a-ok. I test build a package (in lp:~roderick-greening). Awesome help from you.
[14:02] <apachelogger> allows very easy implementation of standard stuff
[14:02] <apachelogger> but getting information out of it is quite nasty
[14:04] <jtholmes> kubuntu partman crashing 9/15/09 live-cd  is this known
[14:05] <Riddell> jtholmes: not to me, get  /var/log/syslog and /var/log/installer/* report a bug on ubiquity
[14:06] <jtholmes> Riddell, did that but got syslog and partman will recreate and add installer thx
[14:08] <apachelogger> hm
[14:08] <apachelogger> funs
[14:10] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: upgrade went fine
[14:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: k, thx
[14:11] <apachelogger> always those freezes
[14:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: will bzr push kdesudo and runtime later on
[14:12] <Riddell> neversfelde: did you commit amarok packaging to bzr?
[14:17] <neversfelde> Riddell: yes
[14:18] <Riddell> groovy
[14:33] <allee-k> Mhhm, kwin or plasma-desktop blocks/hangs after resume (intel gfx).  Must be something new with 4.3* in karmic
[15:02] <ScottK> agateau: I'm pulling your changes into quassel via their git now, so please make sure Sput continues to have your latest and greatest.
[15:03] <agateau> ScottK: will do
[15:03] <Sput> ScottK: and use the master branch in the future, as I don't think I'll keep maintaining the libindicate branch
[15:03] <ScottK> Sput: Will do.
[15:03] <Sput> after I accidentally merged it into master last night :]
[15:03] <agateau> :)
[15:04] <agateau> \o/
[15:04] <Sput> agateau: we were wondering how you ever managed to get it to compile though, given that bash and zsh didn't like your escaping of -DDESKTOP_FILE
[15:04] <Sput> are you using some weird shell?
[15:04] <agateau> Sput: yes, strange, I use zsh
[15:04] <Sput> hmmm... maybe it was only bash then
[15:04] <Sput> still weird :)
[15:04] <agateau> it built here, but Jonathan reported this issue as well
[15:05] <apachelogger> hm
[15:05] <agateau> it's in my TODO
[15:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: seems like only a target spanning if would make it stop process kde-10n
[15:07] <apachelogger> or we move everything to a shell script and just pass KUBUNTU_DESKTOP_POT and DEB_SOURCE_PACKAGE over
[15:08] <apachelogger> there does not seem to be a way to return/end/exit a target processing from within the target and ifeq outside the targets makes them whine
[15:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: there can't be a if DEB_SOURCE_PACKAGE starts with kde-l10n ?
[15:08] <apachelogger> nope
[15:08] <apachelogger> well, there can
[15:09] <apachelogger> but if it is done in shell inside a target it is limited to the shell scope (i.e. no matter what you do you can't make the target return to caller)
[15:09] <apachelogger> if you do it outside in a makefile style if you still have to pipe it through a shell because make doesn't have anything startswithish and/or regexp support
[15:10] <Riddell> all sounds like too much hassle really
[15:11] <apachelogger> aye
[15:11]  * apachelogger inspects the cdbs files a bit, maybe they have a solution to that, though it is doubtable
[15:16] <apachelogger> oh
[15:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: silly me, I seem to have found something :S
[15:18] <apachelogger> ifneq ($(findstring kde-l10n-,$(DEB_SOURCE_PACKAGE)),kde-l10n-)
[15:18] <Sput> agateau: we fixed it already.
[15:19] <agateau> Sput: oh great, thanks!
[15:21]  * Riddell uploads kdebase-workspace
[15:22] <apachelogger> arent we like in freeze? :S
[15:23] <Riddell> hmm, oh yes
[15:23] <apachelogger> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/pkg-kde-tools/ubuntu/revision/59
[15:26] <Riddell> apachelogger: that works?
[15:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: pretty much so
[15:26] <apachelogger> if it cant find kde-l10n-de in the source pkg name it will process the targets
[15:26] <apachelogger> otherwise not
[15:28] <Riddell> groovy
[15:28] <apachelogger> it sure is a good thing kdesudo got it's own development team and ubuntu-dev is not a member of it
[15:29] <freinhard> narf, buggy pyqt
[15:29] <apachelogger> that would be the py in the pyqt
[15:30] <apachelogger> hrrr
[15:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: workspace is in chrootwait
[15:30] <freinhard> that would be the sip in the pyqt
[15:30] <apachelogger> that cant b egood
[15:30] <rgreening> mmmm.... py
[15:31]  * apachelogger takes a sip of the vodka so he does not have to beat up another package
[15:33] <apachelogger> anyone with the gnome around?
[15:34] <freinhard> apachelogger: http://dpaste.com/93857/ works for 4.4.4 segfaults with 4.5.2/4
[15:35] <apachelogger> hm
[15:35] <apachelogger> thats what you get from not using rdale's awesomeness :P
[15:41] <freinhard> apachelogger: thx for the hint, works with PySide
[15:42] <apachelogger> that does not use sip, does it?
[15:42] <apachelogger> it sure as hell does not use smoke
[15:42] <freinhard> nope doesn't use sip
[15:43] <freinhard> the only thing i care about is: doesn't use bugs ;)
[15:43] <yuriy> aaah spaces befor parentheses
[15:45] <ScottK> apachelogger: buildd's are busted ATM.
[15:45] <ScottK> (thus the chrootwait)
[16:01] <nixternal> yowsers, don't reboot after updating today :/
[16:03] <yuriy> nixternal: everything broken for you too?
[16:03] <yuriy> karmic hasn't been working for me for 2 days now
[16:04] <ejat> Oo ..
[16:04] <ejat> nixternal: broken package? bugs?
[16:04] <ejat> :(
[16:05] <nixternal> yuriy: yup, everything..and I mean everything
[16:05] <nixternal> can't moutn private shares, therefor I can't get net access, nor do I even get a desktop
[16:06] <ejat> ouch ..
[16:06] <nixternal> isn't main frozen?
[16:06]  * ejat just upgrade it just now ... so i think i also get involved in it right ?
[16:07] <yuriy> huh probably a different problem.  what i get is with nvidia X tries to start and fails and I can't get to a terminal. If i go into recovery mode and remove xorg.conf, kdm works, but crashes as soon as i log in, even with a fresh .kde
[16:07] <jjesse_> my karmic netbook works great
[16:08] <jjesse_> no prolbems on that system
[16:08] <ejat> is this for netbook @ desktop?
[16:08] <nixternal> x86_64
[16:09] <ejat> nixternal: owh .. thanks god .. im save .. :)
[16:11] <nixternal> well, I am updating my netbook now, I will see how that goes
[16:12] <nixternal> dpkg: error processing acpid (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[16:12] <nixternal> I swear, nobody tests their damn packages
[16:14] <jjesse_> i thought testing thier packages meant just uploading them to repo and letting everyone do it for them :)
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> latest acpid upgrade went fine for me
[16:14] <ghostcube> isnt this microsoft style jjesse
[16:15] <ghostcube> :D
[16:15] <nixternal> seems upstart and initscripts are broken and they know about it...trying to figure it out now it seems
[16:15] <jjesse_> that was a sarcastic comment from me
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> upstart and initscripts are held back for me; probably why stuff didn't fail
[16:17] <nixternal> right, they are held back for me too, but another package that wasn't held back though is causing it, as it doesn't work w/o the new upstart it seems
[16:32] <nixternal> umm, whatever you do, 64 or 32bit, do not reboot
[16:32] <nixternal> my netbook at least boots up, but you get 0 keyboard or mouse action
[16:34] <jjesse_> nixternal i had that problem, had to do a fresh install to get it back up and working
[16:34] <Sput> that sounds like the evdev driver hasn't been rebuilt when it should be :)
[16:34] <jjesse_> that was last week?
[16:39] <jjesse_> then once i did a reinstall all of the updates worked fine
[16:41] <mterry> Riddell, hello!  Do happen to know of any plans to sync python-qt4 to debian's 4.5.4-1?
[16:53] <yuriy> mterry: I think freinhard is working on 4.5.4 (don't know if it's a sync)
[16:53] <mterry> yuriy, OK.  I'm not particular.  :)  thx
[16:55] <Riddell> mterry: yes it's here if you want to test it https://edge.launchpad.net/~freinhard/+archive/ppa
[16:55] <Riddell> mterry: are you looking for something in paticular?
[16:56] <mterry> Riddell, I think it will fix a ubiquity bug 428200
[16:56] <mterry> Riddell, will test to see
[17:02] <mterry> Riddell, freinhard, yeah, I can confirm that freinhard's package fixes bug 428200, so maybe add that to the changelog?
[17:03] <mterry> adding new target now
[17:03] <Riddell> mterry: how common is this bug?   do we want to fix it before the alpha on thursday?
[17:04] <mterry> Riddell, Kubuntu won't be installable with the Russian language.  I'm not sure how many other languages are affected.  (tried a couple, didn't hit it)
[17:05] <mterry> Riddell, I also have no idea why the choice of language would affect it....
[17:05] <Riddell> sounds like we should try and get it in, I'll see what the release team thinks
[17:24] <rgreening> Riddell: icefox may have adblock in a new release. trying to see if I can get a release today and post. Will you be able to upload?
[17:27] <rgreening> Riddell: hmm... arora 0.9.0 I provided you doesn't seem to be uploaded?
[17:29] <rgreening> ScottK: ping
[17:36] <Riddell> rgreening: doh
[17:36] <rgreening> ya
[17:37] <rgreening> can you upload 0.9.0 asap
[17:37] <rgreening> Riddell: ^
[17:37] <Riddell> doing
[17:37] <rgreening> Riddell: ok. ty. Also, I may get a 0.9.1 later today (but not 100% certain icefox will have it ready in time for me to package and upload).
[17:38] <rgreening> Riddell: will you be around later or can someone else like ScottK be able to upload (as we have a standing FFe for arora)
[17:38] <Riddell> we're in alpha freeze so later today may be too late until after alpha is out
[17:38] <Riddell> I'll be around at some point
[17:39] <rgreening> Riddell: the 0.9.1 will have working adblock and initial wallet support (not kwallet but a wallet of sorts).
[17:39] <rgreening> ok. how long do we have until its too late?
[17:40] <rgreening> i.e. the drop dead time?
[17:40] <rgreening> we definately want 0.9.0 in though for now.
[17:40] <Riddell> dunno, depends when slangasek starts building images, probably this chroot breakage will take some time to clear
[17:41] <rgreening> hehe
[17:42] <rgreening> ok, let's get 0.9.0 in and I'll work on the update. If we can get it in, we do it, otherwise it's in the beta
[18:18]  * Riddell updates webkitkde, it's working quite well
[18:21] <Riddell> well, except for gmail :(
[18:26] <rgreening> wow
[18:26] <rgreening> haha
[18:26] <rgreening> Riddell: did arora get uploaded
[18:27] <Riddell> rgreening: launchpad says  yes
[18:31] <rgreening> kool
[18:31] <rgreening> :)
[18:35] <freinhard> how did i manage to upload python-qt4_4.5.4-0ubuntu1? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-qt4/4.5.4-0ubuntu1
[18:42] <davmor2> freinhard: magic
[18:43] <freinhard> davmor2: and who's the wizzard?
[18:43] <davmor2> freinhard: but sssshhhhh cause everyone will want to use it
[18:43] <davmor2> Riddell: I believe
[19:56] <e-jat> im just got brick .. upgrade to latest alpha5 .. keyboard n mouse freeze :(
[21:59] <ScottK> freinhard: You can grab the .dsc from launchpad and see who's key signed it.
[22:03] <Riddell> I confe, it was I
[22:04]  * ScottK unstick's Riddell's "s" key.
[22:13] <Riddell> Riddelll: err, hello, who are you then?
[22:13] <jjesse> lol
[22:14] <Riddelll> I'm the real Riddell, you're the imposter!
[22:45] <jtholmes> woo hoo they finally fixed save session for kubuntu 9.10 that was hosed for the last three releases thanks Kubuntu folks, nice job really helps
[23:05] <Riddell> pgquiles: ping
[23:06] <pgquiles> Riddell: pong, here too :-)
[23:06] <Riddell> pgquiles: can you see my chat on facebook?
[23:06] <Riddell> and can you respond?
[23:06] <pgquiles> Riddell: I can see you and I did already respond. Are you testing it with Konqueror? (I'm on Firefox 3.5 now)
[23:06] <Riddell> I'm testing with kopete
[23:07] <Riddell> guess that doesn't work then :(
[23:07] <pgquiles> I just sent you another message through facebook, can you see it ?
[23:07] <Riddell> nope
[23:07] <pgquiles> it does not work, then
[23:08] <pgquiles> I can see what you sent me: "one two one two"
[23:08] <pgquiles> it seems that it half works
[23:08] <Riddell> try now, I logged out of the web interface
[23:09] <pgquiles> I sent two pongs
[23:09] <Riddell> fooey
[23:10] <Riddell> hmm, interesting, I gave kopete the wrong password and it still logged in
[23:10] <pgquiles> !?
[23:10] <pgquiles> intriguing
[23:10] <pgquiles> does that mean the facebook chat protocol does not check credentials when you send but only when you receive?
[23:12] <pgquiles> did you see my "pong to your "pong from web interface" " ?
[23:14] <Riddell> yes
[23:14] <Riddell> pgquiles: how about now?
[23:14] <pgquiles> I can see your ping, can you see my pong ?
[23:14] <Riddell> nope
[23:14] <Riddell> even with the right password it doesn't work
[23:14] <pgquiles> ugh
[23:21] <nixternal> cool, putty works with vista!!! thank god for Vista
[23:22] <nixternal> I have 3 karmic machines, which are nothing more than paper weights with power buttons
[23:25]  * davmor2 forces nixternal to wash his mouth out with soapy water
[23:25] <nixternal> no way dude, at least it just works...though putty and this keyboard aren't friends
[23:27] <davmor2> nixternal: this is why my main box always runs one version behind :)
[23:27] <nixternal> this is why I will have a debian or opensuse box from now on
[23:30] <nixternal> actually opensuse, this way I can keep an eye on um :p
[23:32] <Riddell> what broke in karmic?
[23:32] <nixternal> Riddell: sysvinit, upstart, mountall, you name it
[23:33] <nixternal> by far the worst state I have come across in 4 years
[23:33] <nixternal> everything in the past always had a simple fix or workaround
[23:33] <nixternal> not this one :(
[23:37] <nixternal> oh well...guess i will go find another hobby to do and hope everything is groovy by tomorrow...if you need me, hit up my cell phone, as i have 0 puters right now w/o wiping and starting over, and i don't have any cds around :/
[23:37] <nixternal> silly me
[23:41] <Riddell> could be related to all the chroots being broken too I suppose