| vlad | if I have an arm box with the netbook-remix packages installed, is it possible to get -dev packages on there? Like if I try to install libglib2.0-dev, it complains that the 0netbook2 etc. rel of glib is installed, and that the dev package is coming from normal jaunty and requires the standard non-netbook rev | 00:42 |
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| lool | vlad: Where is this netbook-remix image from? | 00:52 |
| lool | vlad: It's a preinstalled one from Dell? | 00:52 |
| lool | vlad: You basically need to use the repos which came in the sources.list of the preinstalled image; you cant mix them with the Ubuntu one | 00:52 |
| lool | vlad: Hold on, you said an ARM box and we're on #ubuntu-arm :-) | 00:53 |
| lool | vlad: Is this a pegatron box? | 00:53 |
| vlad | yeah | 00:54 |
| lool | vlad: Ok so this build was a bit special and I'm not sure the sources.list point at the correct archive | 00:54 |
| vlad | it just points to the normal jaunty ports repo | 00:55 |
| lool | Nothing more in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list? | 00:55 |
| vlad | mm, I only looked in sources.list, not in .d/* | 00:55 |
| vlad | sec | 00:56 |
| vlad | oh wait, there is | 00:59 |
| vlad | deb http://netbook-remix.archive.canonical.com/updates jaunty-watertown public ? | 00:59 |
| lool | That sounds like the right thing yes | 00:59 |
| lool | vlad: Can you easily paste apt-cache policy libglib2.0-dev? you might want to apt-get update first | 01:00 |
| vlad | though just updates -- is there another repo that'll have the full set of packages, with dev packages and stuff? | 01:00 |
| lool | vlad: In theory, unless things are borken, your install should be pointing at the repos which were used to create it | 01:01 |
| lool | vlad: jaunty was used as a base with an overlay repo for the packages modified for this build | 01:02 |
| vlad | hrm | 01:02 |
| lool | That's in theory because I didn't actually see that rootfs and cant easily check its contents | 01:02 |
| vlad | I wonder if the entries in sources.list arescrewing it up | 01:02 |
| vlad | one sedc | 01:02 |
| lool | vlad: It's about 2am for me so I'll drop off; a bunch of people are familiar with imx51 hardware here, and some played with the one you have; I only touched early hardware and have no idea about the final software image shipped by Canonical OEM, but I'm happy to answer questions you leave here | 01:05 |
| vlad | ok cool; thanks! I'll poke at it some more | 01:07 |
| lool | vlad: Perhaps a less bumpy ride to start development is to create a jaunty or a karmic chroot and work in it; this requires in the 300 MB + whatever you add there (e.g. build-deps of your software) | 01:09 |
| vlad | yeah, or just do it via scratchbox :) | 01:09 |
| lool | vlad: debootstrap is the regular tool to do this; "sudo debootstrap jaunty my-chroot" | 01:10 |
| lool | Oh sure; but since you have a native system... up to you | 01:10 |
| * Martyn has karmic running on his development system : | 01:22 | |
| Martyn | woot! | 01:22 |
| Martyn | although I had to do a buildroot :( | 01:22 |
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| siji | ogra,u there | 10:34 |
| siji | while am trying to start the uimage frm MMC | 10:47 |
| siji | Unknown command 'mmcinit' - try 'help' | 10:48 |
| siji | getting this msg frm uboot terminal | 10:48 |
| siji | why it's happening | 10:48 |
| siji | ? | 10:48 |
| tasslehoff | siji: maybe you have the version where it is called "mmc init" instead? I believe it changed at some point | 10:50 |
| tasslehoff | siji: if so, change your bootcmd to use the new command | 10:51 |
| siji | mmc init is also not there | 10:51 |
| siji | <tasslehoff>, even lot of other commands also missing in by uboot | 10:55 |
| tasslehoff | siji: hm. I only got started with beagle yesterday, so I'm afraid I'm not of much help. Experienced the mmcinit -> mmc init, though. | 10:57 |
| siji | ok | 10:57 |
| siji | <tasslehoff>,actually am not with beagle now.My beagle is wrking fine | 10:57 |
| siji | am using compulab's X300 evaluation kit | 10:58 |
| siji | which is based on marvel's PXA300 processor | 10:58 |
| tasslehoff | siji: ok | 10:59 |
| siji | is it cose of some old version of uboot or smthing? | 10:59 |
| siji | Am surprised, even erase command is also not there | 11:01 |
| siji | :( | 11:01 |
| gaspa | siji: check really uboot version, it tends to change often command name. So current online documentation may not work for you. | 11:03 |
| gaspa | s/name/names | 11:03 |
| siji | oh ok | 11:04 |
| gaspa | siji: e.g. I've "nand erase" instead of "erase"... | 11:05 |
| siji | gaspa, while help output giving only limited command set | 11:06 |
| siji | it doenst contain any such commands | 11:08 |
| siji | doesnt | 11:08 |
| gaspa | version? | 11:09 |
| siji | how to get the version | 11:10 |
| siji | ? | 11:10 |
| gaspa | 'version' ? | 11:10 |
| siji | ok | 11:11 |
| siji | U-Boot 2009.03-cm-x300-2 (May 26 2009 - 11:47:40) | 11:11 |
| gaspa | or at early boot time ... I'm seeing this: | 11:11 |
| gaspa | U-Boot 1.2.0 (Mar 21 2009 - 05:12:20) | 11:11 |
| siji | ya | 11:12 |
| gaspa | is that uboot shipped with your card? | 11:12 |
| siji | ya | 11:12 |
| siji | gaspa, so this may be customised version of uboot right? | 11:13 |
| gaspa | surely | 11:13 |
| siji | ok, thne how will flash it | 11:13 |
| gaspa | in fact, perhaps it's worth asking in some list/channel about your board. | 11:13 |
| siji | gaspa,ok | 11:13 |
| siji | but how will i add new uboot now | 11:14 |
| siji | there is no erase command | 11:14 |
| gaspa | jtag? it depends from the board. | 11:15 |
| siji | gaspa, am not clear | 11:17 |
| mike^ | siji, there's no MMC on CM-X300 :) | 11:33 |
| siji | mike^,mmc connector is there | 11:34 |
| siji | in base board | 11:34 |
| mike^ | siji, yes, but there's no mmc support in U-Boot | 11:35 |
| siji | ok | 11:35 |
| siji | :( | 11:35 |
| mike^ | siji, you can use USB instead | 11:36 |
| siji | yes that i did | 11:36 |
| siji | it's wrking fine | 11:36 |
| mike^ | siji, good to know :) | 11:36 |
| siji | am booting ubuntu with lxde | 11:36 |
| mike^ | and it works? | 11:36 |
| * mike^ surprised | 11:37 | |
| siji | yes | 11:37 |
| mike^ | siji, it also should be possible to use mmc for rootfs, as long as you have the kernel on USB or in NAND | 11:38 |
| siji | mike^, was trying for that only | 11:39 |
| siji | u mean kernel wil start frm nand and wil search the rootfs frm mmc | 11:40 |
| siji | right? | 11:40 |
| siji | but that also failed | 11:40 |
| siji | hey mike^, thanks | 11:40 |
| siji | let me give a try again | 11:41 |
| siji | I compiled the kernel with mmc support (earlier it was as LKM) | 11:41 |
| siji | but i think forget to put the new kernel image in to nand memory | 11:41 |
| siji | :) | 11:41 |
| mike^ | siji, use tftp, it's far more efficient. In U-Boot you can set | 11:43 |
| siji | mike^,ok | 11:43 |
| mike^ | setenv bootcmd 'dhcp; setenv serverip <your tftp server>; tftp 80800000 uImage; bootm' | 11:43 |
| siji | ok | 11:44 |
| mike^ | and to the kernel build you can append 'cp arch/arm/boot/uImage /path/to/tftproot' | 11:44 |
| siji | ok | 11:44 |
| mike^ | siji, btw where are from? | 11:44 |
| siji | India Mumbai | 11:44 |
| siji | n u? | 11:44 |
| mike^ | compulab.co.il, Haifa, Israel :) | 11:44 |
| siji | oh grt | 11:45 |
| siji | oh the same mike who's answering my queries | 11:45 |
| siji | in compulab support chanel | 11:45 |
| mike^ | siji, yep :) | 11:46 |
| siji | cool | 11:48 |
| siji | nice to meet you | 11:48 |
| mike^ | siji, you've got one more answer :) | 11:49 |
| mike^ | no mmc in U-Boot :) | 11:49 |
| siji | yes right | 11:49 |
| siji | we are using the evaluation kit now | 11:49 |
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| armin76 | NCommander: i want a marvell dove! | 14:44 |
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| NCommander | armin76, O:-) | 14:45 |
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| lool | win 1 | 16:26 |
| lool | Tss | 16:26 |
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| MarkG | Anyone know why armv5 is being dropped in the next Ubuntu release? That seems pretty big news considering V5 ihas huge number of devices. | 21:11 |
| vlad | very few of those devices are all that interesting for running a desktop OS, though | 21:11 |
| MarkG | Is ubuntu Desktop only now then? | 21:12 |
| MarkG | What does this mean in real terms for someone with a brand-new Sheevaplug? I find it incrddible that Ubuntu is stopping supporting new hardware. | 21:13 |
| MarkG | OK, I can assume then that it's game over... | 21:25 |
| MarkG | can someone recommend another distro that has a good a package manager as ubuntu thats not dropping armv5 support? | 21:25 |
| kblin | MarkG: seriously? weren't they boasting about the sheeva support? | 21:26 |
| kblin | MarkG: I guess you could always switch to debian | 21:27 |
| kblin | that's certainly my plan if ubuntu drops support for my sheeva | 21:27 |
| MarkG | I think they are keeping quiet about it deliberately. | 21:31 |
| MarkG | if not too many people know, then what it occurs, it's too late. | 21:31 |
| MarkG | I suppose it's a halfway house. There is no money in embedded ARM devices, Canonical want the high-end server market, where there is money, and also want the desktop bit too, but anything outside that, they don't care about. | 21:33 |
| kblin | there's no money in embedded devices? | 21:34 |
| kblin | who said that? | 21:34 |
| kblin | I've got a couple of rooms full of engineers here who would disagree | 21:34 |
| MarkG | you pay money to Canonical? | 21:35 |
| kblin | no, but there's certainly lots of people making money on embedded devices | 21:35 |
| kblin | I've had a couple of people being very interested in the embedded active directory server I've been demoing | 21:36 |
| MarkG | isn't that the point, there is money in embedded stuff, but if Canonical don't make any of it, and it's a market that Microsoft's not in, then why bother? | 21:37 |
| kblin | I don't see why you would get less support for an embedded server that's mission critical | 21:37 |
| kblin | bus as I said, if ubuntu drops support, just switch to debian | 21:39 |
| kblin | you don't even have to get used to a new package manager then | 21:39 |
| lool | MarkG: The Ubuntu armel port is mostly aimed at netbook/desktop uses | 21:46 |
| lool | MarkG: Also, we look forward at the future devices and would like to benefit of every performance bits we can | 21:47 |
| MarkG | OK, so debian is not dropping support, is that correct? | 21:47 |
| lool | MarkG: Indeed, Debian has support for armv4t | 21:47 |
| MarkG | that's OK, i'll switch to that | 21:47 |
| lool | MarkG: We target armv6+vfp for now | 21:47 |
| lool | MarkG: Sure | 21:47 |
| lool | MarkG: I have a sheevaplug BTW ;) | 21:47 |
| lool | you can run jaunty on it if you like | 21:47 |
| MarkG | I'd hate to have to go back to the horrendous emerge of Gentoo | 21:48 |
| lool | I think Debian is great for sheevaplug | 21:48 |
| MarkG | I have Jaunty on it, but wonder how long things will continue to be supported | 21:48 |
| lool | I hope we'll see am armv7 plug soon | 21:48 |
| MarkG | I hope not, I only just got mine :-) | 21:48 |
| lool | MarkG: AFAIK, ubuntu desktop is supported for 18 months even on armel | 21:49 |
| lool | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/ReleaseManifest | 21:49 |
| lool | not 100% sure for jaunty though | 21:49 |
| lool | MarkG: I wish some people would maintain an armv5 rebuild of Ubuntu though; that'd be cool | 21:50 |
| kblin | lool: sure, it should build on a sheeva within a couple of weeks, I guess :) | 21:52 |
| kblin | how big is the current repository? | 21:52 |
| lool | You mean in terms of size? | 21:53 |
| lool | I dont know for sure and dont have a mirror to check | 21:53 |
| kblin | lool: so karmic is armv6? | 21:54 |
| lool | Yes | 21:55 |
| lool | +vfp | 21:55 |
| kblin | and still doesn't support the beagle | 21:55 |
| * kblin sighs | 21:55 | |
| lool | Eh | 21:55 |
| lool | It's a lot of work to support it; if people are interested in doing the maintenance they're welcome to step up | 21:55 |
| * kblin shrugs | 21:56 | |
| lool | there's no support in Debian either for similar reasons | 21:56 |
| kblin | people keep filing samba bugs, if someone will step up to fix them, I might have some time | 21:56 |
| kblin | :) | 21:56 |
| lool | Tss :) | 21:56 |
| kblin | but assuming the TI folks get the linux-omap stuff upstream, there shouldn't be too much of a maintenance issue anymore, right? | 21:57 |
| lool | My time is 100% busy with the commitments I have so far; it's 11pm, I stayed up til 2 am yesterday fixing armel image issues so I dont have the bandwidth myself; I think for now beagle would have to be a community port | 21:58 |
| lool | kblin: Absolutely | 21:58 |
| lool | kblin: at least that has been the blocker on the debian side of things | 21:58 |
| lool | I dont know whether canonical would support a beagle flavour of the main kernel but it would be doable in the ports kernel for sure | 21:58 |
| kblin | I'm beginning to think that for the stuff I'm doing, maybe a small atom board would be less painful.. oh well :) | 22:01 |
| lool | Beagle is a nice device and I can tell that the bulk of the work to get it running is the kernel part | 22:01 |
| lool | It works fine with a karmic userspace | 22:01 |
| kblin | well, yes, mostly fine | 22:05 |
| kblin | but to be honest I didn't try karmic on it yet | 22:05 |
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