[01:54] hello [02:00] alright folks, time for the ubuntu community learning project meeting [02:00] #startmeeting [02:00] Meeting started at 20:00. The chair is pleia2. [02:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [02:00] [TOPIC] Workflow and Document formats [02:00] New Topic: Workflow and Document formats [02:00] so currently our workflow is: write .odt documents, commit to bzr, release as pdfs [02:01] doctormo, BiosElement, can you go into why this isn't optimal? [02:02] pleia2: I can make some general statements why that not might be optimal [02:03] dinda: great, go ahead :) [02:03] 1. the html odt creates is often not the best [02:03] very messy [02:03] 2. bzr can be a barrier to entry for new folks [02:04] sure [02:04] Can bzr diff .odts? [02:04] I'll chime in and also state a major advantage is revision control can record each line change. Also a consistent format can be difficult to keep. [02:04] 3. pdfs then add another step to the overall process [02:04] ScottK: Not really, it's a zip file [02:04] ScottK: I don't think so [02:05] a zip file? then you really can't do diffs can you? [02:05] pleia2: OK to begin, the rationale for using bzr is that revision control and distribution takes advantage of a lot of work already done on tools and places to store in development materials so the whole community can get a tthem. [02:06] You can't really do revision control on binary files (like zips), AFAICT. [02:06] except does that really gain you anything if you can't have diffs? [02:06] dinda, I think so. It makes collaborating much easier. [02:06] only ease of collaboration [02:07] bzr was used when we did the desktop course but we were using docbook [02:07] Also if you decide you didn't like a change you made last week/month, you can find it again. [02:07] http://imagebin.ca/view/03hE4BoC.html <- If you look at this screen shot, you can see my "easy to get" project tool for lowing the barrier for bzr and launchpad [02:07] LINK received: http://imagebin.ca/view/03hE4BoC.html <- If you look at this screen shot, you can see my "easy to get" project tool for lowing the barrier for bzr and launchpad [02:07] but you still have to know what you're getting . . . [02:08] I believe that the current CLI based tools aren't easy enough, but it can be made easier and I think we should make it so. [02:08] seems the issue comes down to what type of contributors you want at this level? [02:08] doctormo: you also mentioned that odt makes translations and such tricky? [02:08] (I'm not going to get into data formats yet as that is a seperate thing from workflow) [02:08] doctormo: but it does affect it [02:09] dinda: Correct, but we'll get to that, I want to deal with the bzr concerns first [02:09] b/c if you want easy translations as part of the workflow [02:09] I think we can agree that lacking diffs with binary files (like .odt) is a problem and we probably want to go with something that is RCS friendly [02:09] dinda: are there tools that make docbook easier to work with? [02:09] we haven't found any Moodle plug-ins or anything other process control for RCS within moodle yet [02:10] believe me I've been searching for a way to marry RCS with Moodle [02:10] I'm also wondering if we can accept course drafts and then have team members translate to docbook (I wouldn't mind doing a bit of this) [02:10] The advantage to using bzr/launchpad combo is that not only can we take avantage of collaberation dynamic mixing but we can also import the text strings into the community translation tools so long as we can make pot files. [02:10] dinda, Couldn't the "course/textbook" be seperate from moodle itself? [02:11] BiosElement: yeah, I think we could import stuff into moodle as html - so whatever tool we use (docbook, whatever) we export to html [02:11] * doctormo gives up, lets talk about formats then [02:11] doctormo: can you use odt files to make pot files? [02:11] dinda: Not that I know of [02:11] pleia2, But would that be ideal? IIRC moodle didn't have the best system for managing actual textbook style pages. [02:11] moodle will be the last step in this process, once the corse is completed [02:12] indeed, moodle is the publishing target [02:13] linuxchix uses moodle as both the development tool and publishing tool [02:13] it's simple and low barrier to entry [02:13] ah, interesting [02:13] dinda: Aye, but development wise, it's got problems with permissions. [02:13] doctormo: only at the admin level [02:14] you can customise course creators and/or teachers, any role with custom permissions [02:14] dinda: Differences between writers, drafters, reviewers and artists. I'm not confident in moodle as a development platform. I' [02:14] m used to better tools [02:15] doctormo: dunno, we've been using it with those various roles pretty well [02:15] Just to be frank, I think the way moodle manages actual "documents" is horrid. I think it's best to keep the actual course books separate. [02:15] I make my reviewers student in a development course but the final course is a copied final published course [02:15] dinda: It also doesn't help that my 7 calls for internal team training from those that know moodle has fallen flat. Ignored. Since I was the only one developing, I can only use tools I know how to use. [02:16] I'd much rather see a moodle page giving an overview and saying "Read this page (link)". [02:16] doctormo: did you read the moodle course that cprofitt put up? [02:16] that's what we have for internal team training right now [02:16] pleia2: Yes, and from that I wasn't impressed with the tools. [02:16] BiosElement: then you kind of defeat the whole purpose of having a Moodle LMS why not just a drupal site? [02:16] ok, just making sure :) [02:17] doctormo: your frustration is what I feel whenever i try to use Bzr ;) [02:17] dinda: If moodle can manage publication and course management. Then it's useful. [02:17] dinda, Because moodle can manage the courses, messaging, etc. I don't think moodle itself is bad, I just think it'll be a mess to manage course books using it. [02:17] dinda: But I'm willing to fix the problems with bzr/launchpad as shown, there is not expertiese to fix moodle problems. [02:18] ok, so we're back to who do you want writing courses? what kind of contributor? only those with LP/bzr knowledge? [02:19] Although I'm willing to change my mind, if I can be educated (not just RTFMed) on moodle and it can be shown to provide the same kind of community collaberation. [02:19] dinda: Why would you need bzr/lp knowlege? [02:19] doctormo: very interesting b/c I've heard the same from another techy in regards to trying to use Moodle whereas I find Moodle easy and Bzr the harder problem [02:20] dinda, Your sticking point is bzr/lp. Firstly, it's not that hard and doctormo is working on making it easier. Secondly, I'd question if someone was going to teach a class and refused to learn anything themselves. [02:20] BiosElement: yet it sounds like no one wants to learn Moodle better [02:20] dinda: I think the major problem is that we don't have any moodle experts on the team [02:21] BiosElement: that's true, but we do have to make the barrier to entry rediculasly easy. [02:21] dinda: What's hard about going into a directory and clicking on "Add Project" and getting all the files? Editing all the files and then clicking on another button that says "Publish My Changes" [02:22] Just to throw this out there, since drupal was mentioned would 'that' be an easier platform to work with? [02:22] BiosElement: Requires devel right? [02:23] moodle already has the custom interface, navigation for basic courses. . . [02:23] doctormo, What does? Drupal? I could probably get it setup if someone would design a style for it. [02:23] BiosElement: Popey has used it for the new screencast site [02:23] dinda: I'm willing to learn moodle, if anyone was willing to teach it. [02:23] doctormo: this is where the edubuntu team might be called on. . [02:24] surely someone over there is using it [02:24] doctormo, I'm happy to learn moodle too. I 'do know drupal though if it's needed. [02:24] doctormo: I'd offer some time but today is literally the first day in months I've had to do any community time [02:24] dinda: Proponents for moodle teaching etc etc [02:25] doctormo: if I found someone to help out, would you be willing to walk through adding one of our existing courses to moodle and the workflow? [02:25] s/our/your [02:25] * dinda goes through her list of Moodle-ites from other open source projects. . . [02:25] dinda: I'm not trying to be a pain, but we can really only work with resources that are available, people's time is just as much of a resource that must be managed. [02:25] pleia2: Of course, we have a moodle site [02:25] doctormo: totally understand [02:25] I'm with doctormo. I don't mean to offend anyone or step on toes. [02:26] ok, so important thing - find a moodle expert whose brain we can use :) [02:26] doctormo: it's just a different pain point for you with moodle like it is for me with bzr [02:27] dinda: You can be my guienea pig for whatever I come up with for lowing that pain [02:27] can anyone think of other projects where we can find a moodle person? [02:27] [ACTION] Find Moodle expert [02:27] ACTION received: Find Moodle expert [02:28] ok, so lets go back to workflow for a moment [02:29] it really doesn't matter what the original content is written but if you know you're ultimately publishing in Moodle then you need it to be html and preferably moodle-html friendly [02:29] otherwise you just get a list of links to pages, which could just as easily be any webpage [02:30] * dinda goes to see if I can find an example to demo. . . [02:30] http://docs.moodle.org/en/HTML_in_Moodle [02:30] LINK received: http://docs.moodle.org/en/HTML_in_Moodle [02:31] i know when we tried to copy and paste from odt it was horrid ugly results [02:31] good to know [02:31] we had to have the webmaster add styles to the overall site and that can be a real issue if the server is also hosting other sites [02:32] For your Moodle expert, you might want to mail the edubuntu list. Edubuntu has Moodle, so you might find someone. [02:32] dinda: OK this is where BiosElement's new sphinx format comes in [02:32] edubuntu-users. [02:32] I'll take the action to email the edubuntu list [02:32] dinda: not only is it easier to get into pot files for lp translations, but it converts to html first and then into pdf/odf later [02:32] I think the server is just running moodle right now [02:33] BiosElement: Can you explain the process? [02:33] Sure thing [02:34] Basically you create a formatted text file using reStructuredText. You then simply "make html" and it compiles into formatted html files. You can see an example with the python docs. [02:37] So far this process is just research, but it looks very promising so long as we can run some contributor user tests to make sure it's easy to use. [02:37] BiosElement: is reStructuredText a format? or application that creates the text file? [02:38] dinda: It seems similar to writing wiki pages. [02:38] online? [02:38] dinda: except that [02:38] is there a benefit to using reStructuredText over DocBook? [02:39] either way you need to learn some kind of syntaxing, and docbook is more popular [02:39] pleia2: DocBook has not been investigated yet [02:39] personally I'd much rather learn docbook [02:39] BiosElement: Would you be willing to look into docbook and doing a branch that uses it? [02:39] dinda, I haven't researched docbook yet but I recall the python team doing so and creating their own. Regardless I'll look into it [02:40] We use Docbook for various things. . . it's just as painful as anything else ;) [02:40] but the Doc Team also uses it so that was an advantage for us [02:40] yeah [02:41] * dinda wonders what happens when you paste a wiki page into Moodle. . . [02:41] pleia2: If BiosElement can learn DocBook, then we not only can get a fair comparison, but also might be able to take the best ideas from both [02:42] I've only used docbook briefly in one project, the advantage of it being a sort of "industry standard" is big [02:43] All I'm concerned about is that I can make my course modual, I can collaberate with drafters and editors easily and that it will export to pdf files for my physical students. Translations, html output and publishing vectors for online courses are all my team concerns. [02:43] I don't have tons of time to learn things, need to consider marketable skills ;) I'm sure I'm not the only one [02:44] doctormo: docbook does make nice PDFs. . . [02:44] pleia2: Sure, do you know of any docbook editors? gui ones? can you combine multiple docbook files into one? [02:45] doctormo: lots of docbook folks on the doc team, gui editors - I used Bluefish [02:45] and yes you can combiine multiple files into one book [02:45] dinda: Sounds like we have a lot of research to do. [02:46] doctormo: where you lost time - as in any process is in the publishing, aka Make step [02:46] you make the changes in text, then each time you want a new pdf, you have to remake the book again [02:46] even to change a comma! [02:46] dinda, Make step for what? It takes 5 seconds. I think that's a non-issue. [02:46] Yes of course, that's why you publish versions. [02:47] BiosElement: not in my experience, do a Make, go get coffee, wait, but then my book was over 400 pages [02:47] and 528 images [02:47] yes that makes sense [02:48] OK we're comming up to 47 mins for this meeting, pleia2 do we have some more action items and conclusions? [02:48] dinda, I tried it with the python docs and it was finished before I could even switch over to check the html folder. Images probably slowed it. [02:48] * doctormo doesn't think any book/pdf should ever be more than 20 pages. [02:49] okay, email sent to edubuntu list [02:49] doctormo: I think we're set, let's just wrap up [02:49] pleia2: over to you [02:50] so in addition to finding a moodle person [02:50] [ACTION] Explore DocBook option [02:50] ACTION received: Explore DocBook option [02:50] Can I ask where we are on the Server hosting issue? [02:50] dinda: for now we're still up at learn.ubft.net [02:51] I think we want to keep moving forward with course development in spite of our uncertainty for final formats, stalling more is bad bad :) [02:51] we can always convert things from .odt later [02:51] if people want to contribute but have trouble with bzr, they can ask one of us who is familiar with it to upload for collaboration [02:52] BiosElement: if you do have a draft of how to use bzr for now, that'd be helpful [02:52] I keep giving people the irc log [02:52] are you forcing anyone who wants to write a course to use Bzr? [02:52] dinda: no, as I say, one of us can upload it for now if they can't/don't want to [02:53] until we have a better collaboration method [02:53] for now we need *somewhere* we all can get to, and bzr is what we have in place [02:53] pleia2: but if someone just wanted to develop a course in Moodle. . . okay, you've just lost all nontechnical contributors [02:54] dinda: but we don't know moodle yet, I don't want to wait another 2 months to do development :( [02:54] this is just a temporary collaboratoin measure until we have something better [02:54] I'm trying to understand where you guys are stuck with Moodle? [02:54] doctormo: where is the sticking point? [02:54] dinda: Don't know how to use it [02:55] who are the current Moodle server admins? [02:56] and how does one request that they want to create a course there? [02:56] the server itself, or moodle admins? [02:56] both [02:56] bodhi is the server admin, he added all board members as moodle admins (which includes doctormo and myself) [02:56] but we don't have a clue as to how to use it [02:57] Can I request to be made a Moodle admin? and maybe I can help out gettign courses started [02:57] I think that'll be fine :) [02:57] * dinda can't believe she just asked for yet admin on yet another moodle instance [02:58] lol [02:58] If they can set me up as an admin, we use next Monday night's slot for some Moodle instruction [02:59] pleia2: can you take an action to request I be given admin on the server? [02:59] I'll take an action to be here next Monday evening, same bat time to answer any getting started questions [03:00] Sounds good, I'll have the action of attending, remember to send an email to the list [03:00] dinda: I just added you [03:00] we can do it i n#ubuntu-learning for next week [03:00] dinda: learn.ufbt.net - login with your launchpad.net/~dinda account [03:01] email sent to edubuntu list as well asking for Moodle person [03:01] \o/ [03:01] [ACTION] dinda added as Moodle Admin [03:01] ACTION received: dinda added as Moodle Admin [03:01] and nobody tell my boss, okay! ;) [03:01] * pleia2 chuckles [03:01] * dinda can hear elmo laughing right now [03:01] ok, i'll continue to see what can be done for lowering bzr/lp access. BiosElement can deal with formats, pleia2and dinda can look into publishing. Sounds like we got a plan :-D [03:02] :) [03:02] thanks everyone! [03:02] doctormo: yes, pleas continue on that front as well! [03:02] thanks all [03:02] time to get back home, I've been enjoying tea at a friend's house [03:02] thanks all [03:03] #endmeeting [03:03] Meeting finished at 21:03. === edson is now known as ecanto === zul_ is now known as zul === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === asac_ is now known as asac [11:23] community council meeting? [11:29] gQuigs: I tink it may be in one hour. But the info at the fridge, and the CCAgenda wiki page are inconsistent. I don't know which is the one to go by. [11:34] yea I noticed that as well.. oh well... just trying to see if I can show up on time to meetings :) [11:36] sbc: aye tis a bit confusing alright. [11:41] am I too late for the meeting? [11:41] mez: we're not sure it's on, wiki conflicts with calender [11:42] Wiki says it's in 15 mins... === mez is now known as Mez [11:42] Mez: [11:42] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda [11:43] # 11:00 UTC, 3rd Tuesday of the month [11:43] it's the third tuesday. [11:43] Tue Sep 15 10:43:28 UTC 2009 [11:43] (date --utc) [14:01] dyfet, plars, GrueMaster, StevenK, ogra, paulliu, persia, amitk, bfiller: hey === imlad|away is now known as imlad [14:01] hi [14:01] * StevenK shores [14:01] aqui [14:01] * ogra burps [14:01] #startmeeting [14:01] Meeting started at 08:01. The chair is NCommander. [14:01] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [14:01] davidm: Hey [14:01] * NCommander groans his way to life [14:01] hi [14:02] njpatel: Hey [14:02] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090915 [14:02] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090915 [14:03] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap [14:03] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap [14:04] * NCommander waits for people [14:04] hi [14:04] so whos here? [14:05] * ogra isnt ... [14:05] NCommander: All the people who said "Hey" or "Hi" or something else in the last 5 minutes? [14:05] hi all [14:05] Hey JamieBennett! [14:05] morning bjf [14:05] JamieBennett, !!! [14:05] * bjf sorry, chatting away elsewhere [14:05] welcome ! [14:05] JamieBennett, !^10 [14:05] morning all [14:05] (bahahaha) [14:06] NCommander: Ok; let's move on [14:06] [topic] Action Item Review [14:06] New Topic: Action Item Review [14:06] NCommander: I updated agenda a couple of seconds ago to cover an action which hadn't been closed in a meeting [14:06] [topic] NCommander to create netboot install for z0 [co] [14:06] New Topic: NCommander to create netboot install for z0 [co] [14:07] you missed one [14:07] doesn't matter, we'll cover later [14:07] ogra, I didn't feel like re-copy and pasting :-P, I'll get it after this one [14:07] c/o still [14:07] [topic] dyfet to get lxde-meta sponsored [co] [14:07] New Topic: dyfet to get lxde-meta sponsored [co] [14:07] hey lool [14:07] Done [14:07] So lubuntu-meta was uploaded [14:07] By Julien Lavergne [14:07] dyfet: Kind of [14:08] dyfet, broken though, please remove ubiquity from the desktop seed [14:08] its definately wrong there [14:08] Hmm...it must be inherited then...okay, I can do that [14:08] it was explicitly added according to the changelog of the upload [14:08] dyfet: I wonder why the seeds are in +junk instead of, well, ubuntu-seeds? [14:09] * Added ubiquity-frontend-gtk to desktop [14:10] [action] dyfet to remove ubiquty from lubuntu desktop seed [14:10] ACTION received: dyfet to remove ubiquty from lubuntu desktop seed [14:10] hmm...was not added by me...that was the point of not having an open release team :) [14:10] Anything else on this one? [14:11] NCommander, can you change that action to "dyfet to clean up the lubuntu seeds" [14:11] Julian added it :) [14:11] dyfet: Can I action you to fix the bzr URL? [14:11] [action] dyfet to clean up the lubuntu seeds [14:11] ACTION received: dyfet to clean up the lubuntu seeds [14:11] and get that sponsored [14:11] i suspect there is a lot of other stuff to clean up [14:11] Ok I guess that covers it [14:11] lool: yes on bzr also [14:11] [topic] # lool to switch moblin p3a to public [14:11] New Topic: # lool to switch moblin p3a to public [14:11] So I tried that [14:12] But you cant do that [14:12] Because private PPAs use a separate librarian etc. [14:12] So instead we need to copy/move the packages to a public PPA [14:12] Since the jaunty PPA was still used for OEM builds, and it was just before a milestone we deferred [14:12] you have to do it manually [14:12] sadly [14:12] Ideally we'd merge this with the ~moblin PPA stuff [14:13] Or just copy everything to another public PPA if we're lazy [14:13] We need to discuss next steps with rest of moblin team [14:13] Minor problem is the new public PPA have to increase the quota because I remember we enlarge the quote twice for that private PPA. [14:13] quota [14:13] So I propose closing this action and we will setup a meeting with ~ubuntu-moblin to discuss next steps [14:13] paulliu, just file a question against Soyuz to get that bumped [14:14] paulliu: Good point; that speaks in favor of reusing the ~moblin PPA [14:14] [action] lool to setup meeting with ubuntu-moblin and report back here w/ results [14:14] ACTION received: lool to setup meeting with ubuntu-moblin and report back here w/ results [14:14] [action] paulliu to file question against soyuz on PPA size [14:14] ACTION received: paulliu to file question against soyuz on PPA size [14:14] Well not sure we want that but we will sort it out [14:15] That all on this one? [14:15] Yes [14:15] [topic] UMR Discussion (Leader: lool) (Time: 15m) [14:15] New Topic: UMR Discussion (Leader: lool) (Time: 15m) [14:15] Oh we have a time limit now, interesting [14:15] lool, tired of going over [14:15] figure its a good way to get people to self-regulate [14:16] we didn't run over in the last two weeks and first two weeks where we had UMR status... :) [14:16] So moblin status is relatively poor [14:16] The biggest issue is the port of moblin upstream sources to the new telepathy-mission-control [14:16] We cant build images again before that's done, or we will have to revert to an older t-m-c which is going the wrong way about this [14:17] Apart of that, syncs to karmic happened, we need to proceed with the next round of karmic merges next week [14:17] The more karmic, the less pain [14:17] There's also talk about compliance efforts; we want to start looking at fixing compliance issues [14:18] I think that's all I have; paulliu [14:18] paulliu: anything on your side? [14:18] Nothing on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+bugs?field.subscriber=ubuntu-moblin except the approved FFE [14:18] lool: No. That's all. [14:18] Actually we should file that tmc issue [14:19] paulliu: Mind filing a bug on the tmc issue? [14:19] paulliu: +target at karmic [14:19] lool: So I'll look into that t-m-c. [14:19] lool: ok. [14:19] paulliu: Over next week we need to update the list of packages which can be pushed to karmic for round 2 [14:19] lool: there are bugs against it, just haven't been through the review and subscription yet [14:19] NCommander: Done with UMR [14:19] lool: Against Ubuntu or ~ubuntu-moblin? [14:19] paulliu: Just sub ~ubuntu-movlin [14:19] lool: ok. [14:20] paulliu: and if it's in Ubuntu, target to the karmic release [14:20] OK. [14:20] [topic] UNR Status (leader: StevenK} (timelimit 15 minutes) [14:20] New Topic: UNR Status (leader: StevenK} (timelimit 15 minutes) [14:21] StevenK: Hey [14:21] NCommander: You might want to tell people in advance of the leader concept next time :-) [14:21] So UNR status is pretty good [14:21] All tarballs uploaded [14:21] Yes [14:21] * NCommander notes the leader concept was invited like ten minutes ago [14:21] I think we're uptodate with seed changes too [14:22] The livefses are buildable, no real OMGKITTENS bugs, etc [14:22] What's upcoming is finishing various DX stuff as new tarball releases [14:22] * ogra thought he saw lool requesting the leader concept yesterday ... but i might misremember [14:22] I worked with dpm on the translations issue this morning and it's sorted out, but we need a new langpack upload [14:22] ogra: Really? Wow [14:23] ogra: I dont recall it at all [14:23] [link] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+bugs?field.subscriber=ubuntu-unr [14:23] LINK received: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+bugs?field.subscriber=ubuntu-unr [14:23] Pretty much empty [14:23] my psycic abilities again ... damend ... didnt want to reveal that here :) [14:23] plars, GrueMaster: Some bugs in https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unr are Critical; should we track them in Ubuntu? [14:24] plars, GrueMaster: Problem is that the ubuntu/ or ubuntu/karmic lists we use dont cover the bugs in non-Ubuntu projects such as the upstream UNR projects; it seems the intent was for us to see the Critical bugs there bug we dont track them [14:24] lool: possibly, I'll try to carve out some more triage time today [14:25] plars: Basically just use Also affect if the bug is confirmed and relevant for release tracking, and target to karmic [14:25] lool: I can't target them though, need your help with that [14:25] (So that it gets on the first list) [14:25] plars: Ok; we should get you that ability [14:25] plars: lets do it after the meeting [14:25] Anything else for UNR? [14:25] njpatel: From you perhaps? [14:25] I think njpatel is on leave [14:26] (i'm unwell, sorry) [14:26] lool: nothing from UNR, just some bugs targetted for beta...all in hand [14:26] (njpatel: Ack; didn't want to mention sick leave, so I just said leave) [14:26] njpatel: Thanks [14:27] StevenK: Anything else? [14:27] :) [14:27] NCommander: Let's move on [14:28] [topic] Specification Review and Discussion [14:28] New Topic: Specification Review and Discussion [14:28] [link] http://piware.de/workitems/mobile/karmic/report.html [14:28] LINK received: http://piware.de/workitems/mobile/karmic/report.html [14:28] * ogra just fixed the link on the agenda [14:28] So the page is only updated daily nowadays [14:28] So it's slighlty out of date [14:28] I POSTPONED a bunch of stuff [14:28] (BTW folks it's POSTPONED, not DEFERRED) [14:29] I marked a bunch of specs as Implemented when most work had been done [14:29] e.g. when only "Test foo: TODO" items remained [14:29] ++ [14:29] [link] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+specs?searchtext=mobile%2Bkarmic [14:29] LINK received: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+specs?searchtext=mobile%2Bkarmic [14:30] plars ! [14:30] plars: I didnt update your specs but the two mobile-qa-karmic-* should move to beta available pretty soon, otherwise even if we have testplans we wont have the time to fix things before release [14:30] ogra: Well I didnt know how to update plars' specs so the report is relatively unfair to him [14:31] hmm, ok [14:31] evil [14:31] paulliu: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-unr-karmic-application-res > can we kill stuff? [14:31] lool: OK. [14:31] lool: But I really want to make it done. [14:31] lool: That's what the OEM really wants. [14:32] paulliu: Yes, given the number of TODOs I realized the specs were truly incomplete yet [14:32] lool: ok. [14:32] plars: Shall we ask for help from QA team or GrueMaster to get more stuff implemented? [14:32] lool: they are next on my list once I get the one that's targetted to a6 finished up [14:32] So on dove spec, ubiquity changes just went up, and flash-kernel changes just went up [14:32] * NCommander knocks on wood [14:32] NCommander: "up"? [14:32] flash-kernel ? [14:32] lool, stuck to Launchpad [14:33] lool: which is about 75% done, should be pretty well able to knock the rest of it out today or tomorrow [14:33] * ogra didnt see the changes [14:33]