| eggonlea_ | well, I've thought Ubuntu MID would continue with Mer as upstream. | 02:28 |
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| eggonlea_ | 17:34 < lool> But MID is obsolete | 02:28 |
| eggonlea_ | ARM, as well as LPIA | 02:29 |
| XPPRESP3 | hello all | 08:37 |
| XPPRESP3 | i want to build a device with some applications and use ubuntu 8.01 | 08:38 |
| XPPRESP3 | how do i get started with the user interface customization ? | 08:38 |
| XPPRESP3 | do i need to read much about window managers and stuff ? | 08:38 |
| XPPRESP3 | any pointers would be helpful for getting started | 08:39 |
| lool | XPPRESP3: Ubuntu 8.01? | 08:43 |
| lool | XPPRESP3: It's a bit too vague to help you specifically; what environment do you target what type of image and device etc. | 08:44 |
| XPPRESP3 | ok, i have Intel Atom processor, and GMA 500 for the graphics | 08:45 |
| XPPRESP3 | it is a touchscreen device | 08:45 |
| XPPRESP3 | what i'am trying to ask is more of a getting started question | 08:45 |
| lool | XPPRESP3: Well you need a precise goal/vision; there are so many ways you can change Ubuntu that it's hard to give you general advice | 08:46 |
| lool | Do you want to change the app selection? The theming? The software stack entirely? | 08:47 |
| XPPRESP3 | all the apps iam writing are totally new | 08:47 |
| XPPRESP3 | so i wont need anything from ubuntu | 08:47 |
| XPPRESP3 | i mean the applications | 08:47 |
| lool | Ok why do you need Ubuntu for? | 08:48 |
| lool | s/why/what | 08:48 |
| XPPRESP3 | i heard that ubuntu has a project for this stuff, i mean with clutter and has a very stable multimedia framework | 08:49 |
| XPPRESP3 | so i thouhgt i should try | 08:49 |
| XPPRESP3 | i have not finalised what to use yet | 08:49 |
| lool | XPPRESP3: Ok perhaps you should start by writing your apps or writing down your design goals, then split the integration work into tasks and we can perhaps help you | 08:55 |
| davmor2 | XPPRESP3: is this a scratch your own itch thing or a uni project type thing? | 08:57 |
| XPPRESP3 | the former :-) | 08:57 |
| XPPRESP3 | how do i handle communication between the apps, as to who is in focus, is that the job of the window manager , i need some theroetical knowledge on this one, iam not sure where to find | 08:58 |
| XPPRESP3 | my question basically is, let us say i have 5 applications, written using gtk , clutter etc., i have the ui for launching them , let us say | 08:59 |
| lool | hmm | 08:59 |
| lool | XPPRESP3: You could read the ewmh specification, that might be a good start | 09:00 |
| XPPRESP3 | and now , how do i mange these applications , i mean if i'am showing the user the open applications, how do i switch between them ? | 09:00 |
| XPPRESP3 | like we have in mobile phons | 09:00 |
| XPPRESP3 | phones, i mean | 09:01 |
| lool | XPPRESP3: I'm afraid this knowledge is slow to grasp, you want to write your own minimal Xorg programs and print debug over what the WM is doing | 09:01 |
| lool | XPPRESP3: You could also look at the metacity/compiz source code | 09:02 |
| XPPRESP3 | ok, now , i understand it will be difficult to grasp, i'am looking for something which is already there, and a bit easier to learn and customize | 09:03 |
| XPPRESP3 | i will look at the options you sent, thank you | 09:03 |
| lool | I'm afraid it's not easy; but the EMWH spec has pointers to the Xorg bits and that should cover 90% of the API which WMs use to handle windows | 09:04 |
| XPPRESP3 | ok, what's the best route for me, as i need to build a prototype, | 09:04 |
| XPPRESP3 | maybe i can go into the gory details, later | 09:04 |
| XPPRESP3 | metacity , is something i should look at , right ? | 09:05 |
| lool | Sure | 09:05 |
| lool | or compiz | 09:05 |
| XPPRESP3 | ok, great, thank you for your time | 09:05 |
| XPPRESP3 | and suggestions | 09:05 |
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| Ajay | hi to all ,is there .deb package for PassiceTex | 11:04 |
| lool | Ajay: Never heard of that; is the spelling correct? | 12:53 |
| Ajay | lool, yes it is correct | 12:53 |
| lool | Ajay: It doesn't seem to be in the Ubuntu archive; the Ubuntu wiki explains how you can request new packages | 12:54 |
| lool | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | 12:54 |
| lool | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages | 12:55 |
| lool | NCommander: Did you update the meeting page with the last two weeks of actions? | 13:55 |
| dereks | /topic | 13:56 |
| lool | dereks: Topic for #ubuntu-mobile: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/weatherreport.html | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/FAQ | 13:56 |
| lool | :-P | 13:56 |
| ogra | heh | 13:57 |
| dereks | lool: yeah :) i had a space | 13:58 |
| dereks | thanks :) | 13:58 |
| === plars_ is now known as plars | ||
| wutzara_netbook | njpatel: Hey Neil. Did you know, how to compile the netbook-launcher? The INSTALL dont give me a solution to solve the compile-process. | 14:56 |
| lool | plars: I tried looking at which teams I'm in to set release tracking | 14:56 |
| lool | plars: I think that's the one: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-drivers/+members | 14:56 |
| lool | plars: I'm in via UDS Organizers | 14:56 |
| plars | lool: ok | 14:57 |
| lool | plars: Most QA folks are in via canonical-qa | 14:57 |
| lool | plars: Not sure how to fix this | 14:57 |
| plars | lool: I'll take a look, but do you know if there are any historical criteria for what gets targetted? | 14:57 |
| lool | plars: What do you mean? | 14:57 |
| plars | lool: as in, what are normally the criteria for deciding if, and by when, a bug should be targetted to a release? | 14:58 |
| lool | plars: Oh you're not in ubuntu-bugcontrol? | 14:58 |
| plars | lool: I am | 14:58 |
| lool | ah probably you are, it's just paged | 14:59 |
| lool | Right saw you | 14:59 |
| lool | it didn't make any sense t ome | 14:59 |
| njpatel | wutzara_netbook: sudo apt-get install build-dep netbook-launcher && ./configure && make && make install ? | 14:59 |
| playya_ | or use pbuilder | 14:59 |
| lool | plars: Perhaps the easiest to sort this is to chat with the QA team and see whether they can grant you access? | 15:01 |
| lool | plars: or with release team | 15:01 |
| lool | either would know | 15:01 |
| wutzara_netbook | njpatel: he didnt find build-dep. What is that for a packet? | 15:01 |
| lool | I'm not 100% sure myself | 15:01 |
| lool | plars: Criteria > well it's a rough feeling on impact and severity | 15:02 |
| njpatel | wutzara_netbook: it installs all the dependancies of a package, so you can build it | 15:02 |
| ogra | but its written wronglx | 15:02 |
| lool | is everybody affected, is it data loss, is it security vulnerability, does it break the system etc. | 15:02 |
| ogra | *wrongly | 15:02 |
| ogra | wutzara_netbook, its: sudo apt-get build-dep netbook-launcher | 15:02 |
| ogra | no "install" in there | 15:02 |
| lool | plars: So it's some kind of feel/score you see on the bug; a crasher in a specific setup / corner case is not as important as a crasher for 50% os users on boot etc. | 15:03 |
| plars | lool: but targetting it to a specific release, I kinda feel like I'm making promises about when someone is going to fix it by - wouldn't that be better left up to whoever is going to be assigined the bug? | 15:03 |
| njpatel | ogra: ah, dammit, thanks for that | 15:03 |
| ogra | ;) | 15:03 |
| * njpatel blames the fact that he's ill | 15:03 | |
| lool | plars: Bug targetting is really about saying "Wow this bug is important enough that we should make sure we track status in the foo series" | 15:03 |
| njpatel | wutzara_netbook: sorry, what ogra said | 15:03 |
| lool | plars: And hence puts it on the release team's radar | 15:03 |
| lool | There's an implicit commitment that we will get poked about it | 15:04 |
| wutzara_netbook | njpatel: ok he download some packages - thanks for that hint. but i dont have a configure skript in the actual branch | 15:04 |
| lool | But if the bug is truly that important then it's the right thing to do | 15:04 |
| njpatel | wutzara_netbook: ah, you using bzr; do ./autogen.sh instead of ./configure | 15:04 |
| plars | lool: understand | 15:05 |
| plars | lool: have to run afk for a bit, back soon | 15:06 |
| lool | plars: It's hard to give you a perfect algorithm; perhaps the release team has better recommendations on the heuristics they follow | 15:06 |
| wutzara_netbook | ok - thanks. I will try it. Thanks a lot for the Tricks. i am want to participate in this project but i dont get it to compile - thats really ashamed :( | 15:06 |
| lool | plars: Attend a release meeting to see how it works if you like | 15:06 |
| lool | plars: Or read the log | 15:06 |
| plars | lool: I usually lurk on it | 15:06 |
| lool | plars: Ok; I think that gives a good feel on the purpose / handling of these items | 15:06 |
| lool | win 1 | 15:07 |
| lool | Ups | 15:07 |
| wutzara_netbook | njpatel: ok all worked so far. is it essential that i run make install? or can i test the launcher without to install it in /usr/ ? | 15:27 |
| njpatel | wutzara_netbook: the launcher has data such as images that it references and expects in the target, so make install is necessary | 15:28 |
| wutzara_netbook | njpatel: ok but if i had the launcher already installed. I only want to test some changes in a *sandbox* before i crash my running system | 15:29 |
| njpatel | wutzara_netbook: if you've already got it installed in /usr, and you ran ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr, then it should work | 15:29 |
| wutzara_netbook | njpatel: ok - and which file i should start after compiling. Sorry for the beginner-questions | 15:31 |
| njpatel | wutzara_netbook: src/netbook-launcher | 15:31 |
| njpatel | wutzara_netbook: you can start with "-w" option, if you don't want it to take over your desktop | 15:32 |
| wutzara_netbook | njpatel: thanks alot. all worked like you said. I wondering that no clutteranimations is showed in windowed mode | 15:42 |
| njpatel | wutzara_netbook: they should be, not sure why they aren't | 15:43 |
| njpatel | wutzara_netbook: the only animation that won't show is the one when the launcher is out of focus and fades a bit...the rest should work as normal | 15:43 |
| wutzara_netbook | njpatel: its all there - but the backgound is not showed - no rectangle around the icons and so on. I can post a picture | 15:44 |
| davmor2 | Guys do you know that today's daily is a little pear shape? I get a block top left that has a a down arrow in it and a tiny block that overlaps that one slightly and that's it | 18:56 |
| davmor2 | GrueMaster: did you get your AAO back yet? | 19:17 |
| GrueMaster | Just got word that it is in route to me. Should get it in a couple of days. | 19:18 |
| davmor2 | Yay | 19:24 |
| lool | davmor2: Build of what? UNR? | 19:42 |
| davmor2 | lool: yes | 19:42 |
| lool | davmor2: Do you think it's related to the boot stuff? | 19:44 |
| davmor2 | lool: This seems to be the menu systems but in miniature. However I burnt from karmic. I'm about to try again with one burnt from jaunty usb creator and see if it's just an issues with that | 19:46 |
| davmor2 | lool: okay that's better but still not right. I get the top bar with default gnome gfx. the cursor is the circle and it's constantly spinning, and there is no menu or backdrop | 20:04 |
| davmor2 | lool: damn I click on the bar now it is the same as the other was | 20:07 |
| davmor2 | lool: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/unr.jpg | 20:14 |
| lool | davmor2: Can you launch a terminal? | 20:14 |
| lool | davmor2: Did you see xsplash? | 20:14 |
| davmor2 | lool: yes saw xsplash | 20:15 |
| davmor2 | I can access ctrl-alt-Fx | 20:15 |
| davmor2 | lool: does it use clutter to display? | 20:20 |
| lool | davmor2: Yes | 20:21 |
| lool | davmor2: Can you check .xsession-errors? | 20:21 |
| davmor2 | lool: ps aux says no clutter running | 20:21 |
| lool | davmor2: clutter is just a lib | 20:22 |
| lool | No process | 20:23 |
| davmor2 | ah | 20:23 |
| lool | davmor2: Check for a netbook-launcher process | 20:23 |
| davmor2 | there are .xsession errors just trying to get them for you | 20:23 |
| lool | davmor2: Perhaps plugging wired ethernet NM will autoconnect? | 20:23 |
| lool | davmor2: Otherwise use cmdline ethernet setup | 20:24 |
| davmor2 | yes and if that fail another usb pen drive 2 ticks | 20:24 |
| davmor2 | lool: try http://www.davmor2.co.uk/.xsession-errors | 20:25 |
| lool | davmor2: Could you dpkg -l apport\*? | 20:27 |
| lool | davmor2: actually no need thanks | 20:28 |
| lool | The apport failures are odd | 20:28 |
| lool | gnome-session[5103]: WARNING: Could not launch application 'gnome-keyring-daemon.desktop': Unable to start application: Failed to execute child process "gnome-keyring-daemon" (Input/output error) | 20:28 |
| lool | davmor2: You're getting IO errors | 20:28 |
| lool | davmor2: Looks like your hardware is defunct | 20:29 |
| lool | or you have a serious kernel issue | 20:29 |
| davmor2 | lool: this is running from a new pen drive | 20:29 |
| lool | davmor2: Hmm I wonder what would explain IO errors then | 20:29 |
| lool | davmor2: Check dmesg? | 20:29 |
| davmor2 | knickers squashfs error abound | 20:30 |
| davmor2 | I'll try reformatting the drive and drop it back on again | 20:31 |
| lool | Ah | 20:34 |
| lool | that explains | 20:34 |
| lool | davmor2: Try the ISO in a VM too if you can | 20:34 |
| davmor2 | lool that's not pretty in vm | 20:38 |
| davmor2 | lool but at least the taskbar was correct :) | 20:39 |
| lool | davmor2: It should work in virtualbox | 20:40 |
| davmor2 | I use kvm and virt manager | 20:40 |
| lool | problem is that you get no 3d | 20:41 |
| lool | virtualbox can pass through the opengl stuff | 20:41 |
| lool | davmor2: I am booting the current ISO | 20:43 |
| davmor2 | lool: same again meh | 20:53 |
| lool | davmor2: Well dig the first squashfs errors in your dmesg | 20:53 |
| lool | davmor2: They might be a kernel issue | 20:53 |
| davmor2 | I'm dropping vbox on 2 ticks | 20:54 |
| davmor2 | lool: works in vbox | 21:03 |
| davmor2 | burnt it to cd I'm going to try it on real hw | 21:03 |
| davmor2 | so the cd works too it's just got to be the transfer to usb :( | 21:05 |
| lool | too bad | 21:06 |
| davmor2 | I just used gparted on unr to format the pendrive so lets try again :) | 21:10 |
| davmor2 | right formating with vista | 21:27 |
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