[02:28] well, I've thought Ubuntu MID would continue with Mer as upstream. [02:28] 17:34 < lool> But MID is obsolete [02:29] ARM, as well as LPIA [08:37] hello all [08:38] i want to build a device with some applications and use ubuntu 8.01 [08:38] how do i get started with the user interface customization ? [08:38] do i need to read much about window managers and stuff ? [08:39] any pointers would be helpful for getting started [08:43] XPPRESP3: Ubuntu 8.01? [08:44] XPPRESP3: It's a bit too vague to help you specifically; what environment do you target what type of image and device etc. [08:45] ok, i have Intel Atom processor, and GMA 500 for the graphics [08:45] it is a touchscreen device [08:45] what i'am trying to ask is more of a getting started question [08:46] XPPRESP3: Well you need a precise goal/vision; there are so many ways you can change Ubuntu that it's hard to give you general advice [08:47] Do you want to change the app selection? The theming? The software stack entirely? [08:47] all the apps iam writing are totally new [08:47] so i wont need anything from ubuntu [08:47] i mean the applications [08:48] Ok why do you need Ubuntu for? [08:48] s/why/what [08:49] i heard that ubuntu has a project for this stuff, i mean with clutter and has a very stable multimedia framework [08:49] so i thouhgt i should try [08:49] i have not finalised what to use yet [08:55] XPPRESP3: Ok perhaps you should start by writing your apps or writing down your design goals, then split the integration work into tasks and we can perhaps help you [08:57] XPPRESP3: is this a scratch your own itch thing or a uni project type thing? [08:57] the former :-) [08:58] how do i handle communication between the apps, as to who is in focus, is that the job of the window manager , i need some theroetical knowledge on this one, iam not sure where to find [08:59] my question basically is, let us say i have 5 applications, written using gtk , clutter etc., i have the ui for launching them , let us say [08:59] hmm [09:00] XPPRESP3: You could read the ewmh specification, that might be a good start [09:00] and now , how do i mange these applications , i mean if i'am showing the user the open applications, how do i switch between them ? [09:00] like we have in mobile phons [09:01] phones, i mean [09:01] XPPRESP3: I'm afraid this knowledge is slow to grasp, you want to write your own minimal Xorg programs and print debug over what the WM is doing [09:02] XPPRESP3: You could also look at the metacity/compiz source code [09:03] ok, now , i understand it will be difficult to grasp, i'am looking for something which is already there, and a bit easier to learn and customize [09:03] i will look at the options you sent, thank you [09:04] I'm afraid it's not easy; but the EMWH spec has pointers to the Xorg bits and that should cover 90% of the API which WMs use to handle windows [09:04] ok, what's the best route for me, as i need to build a prototype, [09:04] maybe i can go into the gory details, later [09:05] metacity , is something i should look at , right ? [09:05] Sure [09:05] or compiz [09:05] ok, great, thank you for your time [09:05] and suggestions === asac_ is now known as asac [11:04] hi to all ,is there .deb package for PassiceTex [12:53] Ajay: Never heard of that; is the spelling correct? [12:53] lool, yes it is correct [12:54] Ajay: It doesn't seem to be in the Ubuntu archive; the Ubuntu wiki explains how you can request new packages [12:54] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment [12:55] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages [13:55] NCommander: Did you update the meeting page with the last two weeks of actions? [13:56] /topic [13:56] dereks: Topic for #ubuntu-mobile: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/weatherreport.html | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/FAQ [13:56] :-P [13:57] heh [13:58] lool: yeah :) i had a space [13:58] thanks :) === plars_ is now known as plars [14:56] njpatel: Hey Neil. Did you know, how to compile the netbook-launcher? The INSTALL dont give me a solution to solve the compile-process. [14:56] plars: I tried looking at which teams I'm in to set release tracking [14:56] plars: I think that's the one: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-drivers/+members [14:56] plars: I'm in via UDS Organizers [14:57] lool: ok [14:57] plars: Most QA folks are in via canonical-qa [14:57] plars: Not sure how to fix this [14:57] lool: I'll take a look, but do you know if there are any historical criteria for what gets targetted? [14:57] plars: What do you mean? [14:58] lool: as in, what are normally the criteria for deciding if, and by when, a bug should be targetted to a release? [14:58] plars: Oh you're not in ubuntu-bugcontrol? [14:58] lool: I am [14:59] ah probably you are, it's just paged [14:59] Right saw you [14:59] it didn't make any sense t ome [14:59] wutzara_netbook: sudo apt-get install build-dep netbook-launcher && ./configure && make && make install ? [14:59] or use pbuilder [15:01] plars: Perhaps the easiest to sort this is to chat with the QA team and see whether they can grant you access? [15:01] plars: or with release team [15:01] either would know [15:01] njpatel: he didnt find build-dep. What is that for a packet? [15:01] I'm not 100% sure myself [15:02] plars: Criteria > well it's a rough feeling on impact and severity [15:02] wutzara_netbook: it installs all the dependancies of a package, so you can build it [15:02] but its written wronglx [15:02] is everybody affected, is it data loss, is it security vulnerability, does it break the system etc. [15:02] *wrongly [15:02] wutzara_netbook, its: sudo apt-get build-dep netbook-launcher [15:02] no "install" in there [15:03] plars: So it's some kind of feel/score you see on the bug; a crasher in a specific setup / corner case is not as important as a crasher for 50% os users on boot etc. [15:03] lool: but targetting it to a specific release, I kinda feel like I'm making promises about when someone is going to fix it by - wouldn't that be better left up to whoever is going to be assigined the bug? [15:03] ogra: ah, dammit, thanks for that [15:03] ;) [15:03] * njpatel blames the fact that he's ill [15:03] plars: Bug targetting is really about saying "Wow this bug is important enough that we should make sure we track status in the foo series" [15:03] wutzara_netbook: sorry, what ogra said [15:03] plars: And hence puts it on the release team's radar [15:04] There's an implicit commitment that we will get poked about it [15:04] njpatel: ok he download some packages - thanks for that hint. but i dont have a configure skript in the actual branch [15:04] But if the bug is truly that important then it's the right thing to do [15:04] wutzara_netbook: ah, you using bzr; do ./autogen.sh instead of ./configure [15:05] lool: understand [15:06] lool: have to run afk for a bit, back soon [15:06] plars: It's hard to give you a perfect algorithm; perhaps the release team has better recommendations on the heuristics they follow [15:06] ok - thanks. I will try it. Thanks a lot for the Tricks. i am want to participate in this project but i dont get it to compile - thats really ashamed :( [15:06] plars: Attend a release meeting to see how it works if you like [15:06] plars: Or read the log [15:06] lool: I usually lurk on it [15:06] plars: Ok; I think that gives a good feel on the purpose / handling of these items [15:07] win 1 [15:07] Ups [15:27] njpatel: ok all worked so far. is it essential that i run make install? or can i test the launcher without to install it in /usr/ ? [15:28] wutzara_netbook: the launcher has data such as images that it references and expects in the target, so make install is necessary [15:29] njpatel: ok but if i had the launcher already installed. I only want to test some changes in a *sandbox* before i crash my running system [15:29] wutzara_netbook: if you've already got it installed in /usr, and you ran ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr, then it should work [15:31] njpatel: ok - and which file i should start after compiling. Sorry for the beginner-questions [15:31] wutzara_netbook: src/netbook-launcher [15:32] wutzara_netbook: you can start with "-w" option, if you don't want it to take over your desktop [15:42] njpatel: thanks alot. all worked like you said. I wondering that no clutteranimations is showed in windowed mode [15:43] wutzara_netbook: they should be, not sure why they aren't [15:43] wutzara_netbook: the only animation that won't show is the one when the launcher is out of focus and fades a bit...the rest should work as normal [15:44] njpatel: its all there - but the backgound is not showed - no rectangle around the icons and so on. I can post a picture [18:56] Guys do you know that today's daily is a little pear shape? I get a block top left that has a a down arrow in it and a tiny block that overlaps that one slightly and that's it [19:17] GrueMaster: did you get your AAO back yet? [19:18] Just got word that it is in route to me. Should get it in a couple of days. [19:24] Yay [19:42] davmor2: Build of what? UNR? [19:42] lool: yes [19:44] davmor2: Do you think it's related to the boot stuff? [19:46] lool: This seems to be the menu systems but in miniature. However I burnt from karmic. I'm about to try again with one burnt from jaunty usb creator and see if it's just an issues with that [20:04] lool: okay that's better but still not right. I get the top bar with default gnome gfx. the cursor is the circle and it's constantly spinning, and there is no menu or backdrop [20:07] lool: damn I click on the bar now it is the same as the other was [20:14] lool: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/unr.jpg [20:14] davmor2: Can you launch a terminal? [20:14] davmor2: Did you see xsplash? [20:15] lool: yes saw xsplash [20:15] I can access ctrl-alt-Fx [20:20] lool: does it use clutter to display? [20:21] davmor2: Yes [20:21] davmor2: Can you check .xsession-errors? [20:21] lool: ps aux says no clutter running [20:22] davmor2: clutter is just a lib [20:23] No process [20:23] ah [20:23] davmor2: Check for a netbook-launcher process [20:23] there are .xsession errors just trying to get them for you [20:23] davmor2: Perhaps plugging wired ethernet NM will autoconnect? [20:24] davmor2: Otherwise use cmdline ethernet setup [20:24] yes and if that fail another usb pen drive 2 ticks [20:25] lool: try http://www.davmor2.co.uk/.xsession-errors [20:27] davmor2: Could you dpkg -l apport\*? [20:28] davmor2: actually no need thanks [20:28] The apport failures are odd [20:28] gnome-session[5103]: WARNING: Could not launch application 'gnome-keyring-daemon.desktop': Unable to start application: Failed to execute child process "gnome-keyring-daemon" (Input/output error) [20:28] davmor2: You're getting IO errors [20:29] davmor2: Looks like your hardware is defunct [20:29] or you have a serious kernel issue [20:29] lool: this is running from a new pen drive [20:29] davmor2: Hmm I wonder what would explain IO errors then [20:29] davmor2: Check dmesg? [20:30] knickers squashfs error abound [20:31] I'll try reformatting the drive and drop it back on again [20:34] Ah [20:34] that explains [20:34] davmor2: Try the ISO in a VM too if you can [20:38] lool that's not pretty in vm [20:39] lool but at least the taskbar was correct :) [20:40] davmor2: It should work in virtualbox [20:40] I use kvm and virt manager [20:41] problem is that you get no 3d [20:41] virtualbox can pass through the opengl stuff [20:43] davmor2: I am booting the current ISO [20:53] lool: same again meh [20:53] davmor2: Well dig the first squashfs errors in your dmesg [20:53] davmor2: They might be a kernel issue [20:54] I'm dropping vbox on 2 ticks [21:03] lool: works in vbox [21:03] burnt it to cd I'm going to try it on real hw [21:05] so the cd works too it's just got to be the transfer to usb :( [21:06] too bad [21:10] I just used gparted on unr to format the pendrive so lets try again :) [21:27] right formating with vista