[09:06] <davmor2> morning all
[09:08] <ara> morning davmor2!
[09:08] <Form0_> morning
[09:09] <davmor2> ara: how goes mago?
[09:09] <ara> davmor2, it is going great! I am so happy to see new contributors almost every week
[09:09] <davmor2> cool :)
[12:00] <davmor3> hello
[12:01] <davmor2> hello davmor3
[13:21] <jtholmes> davmor2 morning kubuntu 9.10 partman crashing is this a known bug?
[13:59] <davmor2> jtholmes: too busy looking at ubuntu at the moment have a word on #kubuntu-devel
[14:03] <jtholmes> ok will do
[14:35] <TheSteve0> is there a workaround for a lack of window manager on the nightlies of karmic?
[14:36] <TheSteve0> where would I check
[14:42] <davmor2> TheSteve0: what do you mean by lack of window manager?
[14:45] <TheSteve0> davmor2: there is no "decoration" around the windows - resize buttons or close (the x button), no title bar, no resizing in the corners. If I go to preferences -> windows I get - Window manager "unknown" has not registered a configuration tool
[14:46] <davmor2> TheSteve0: try checking if compiz and extras is installs.  There was an issue with compiz
[14:46] <TheSteve0> alright - I am rebooting right now after updates
[14:47] <TheSteve0> davmor2: it is if they are installed not just enabled - right?
[14:47] <davmor2> TheSteve0: yes installed
[14:47] <TheSteve0> davmor2: k, will do
[14:47] <TheSteve0> brb
[14:47] <jtholmes> davmor2, the testing page says we are not testing, I am testing where do i put my test results
[14:48] <davmor2> jtholmes: your not test final images for release yet
[14:48] <jtholmes> ok
[14:48] <davmor2> the ones that appear on there are for testing for the release.
[14:49] <davmor2> just log the bugs you come across
[14:49] <jtholmes> yes have been doing that found few
[14:49] <jtholmes> a few
[14:50] <davmor2> jtholmes: join the club :(
[14:51] <TheSteve0> grub is still having problems after tonights updates
[14:51] <jtholmes> u kno i wonder who i would talk to about making a framework for ubiquity and having plugins to perform the main actions, something like opensync seems we go thru the same exercises with partman etc. every release and i wonder if there is a better solution
[14:52] <jtholmes> not that i am critizing but just wonder if there is a better way to eliminate some persistant problems
[14:52] <TheSteve0> davmor2: no luck
[14:53] <TheSteve0> force removed all of compiz and then rebooted
[14:53] <TheSteve0> still no love
[14:53] <ara> TheSteve0, what video card are you using?
[14:53] <TheSteve0> I wonder if I have to reset my window manager
[14:53] <TheSteve0> ara - intel
[14:53] <TheSteve0> but it was working fine just a few days ago
[14:54] <davmor2> TheSteve0: it sound to me like something got screwed while you've been updating.  if you have an up-to-date live cd try booting from that and let us know if you still have issues then
[14:54] <TheSteve0> davmor2: ok
[14:55] <TheSteve0> I will download the nightly
[15:04]  * fader_ keeps forgetting to change his nick.
[15:05] <davmor2> I was about to say nice of you to join us ;) /me runs
[15:05] <fader_> :P
[15:05] <fader_> I wondered why I hadn't gotten my daily dose of abuse yet ;)
[15:06] <TheSteve0> davmor2: fixed it
[15:06] <TheSteve0> had to delete .config, .gconfd and .gconf and reboot
[15:07] <davmor2> fader_: Morning by the way cd's work oem doesn't bug 429994
[15:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 429994 in ubiquity "oem enduser setup pops up a crash window" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/429994
[15:07] <fader_> Ahh, there it is :)
[15:07] <davmor2> fader_: just to make it feel like a work day ;)
[15:17] <davmor2> TheSteve0: cool I figured right I'm getting good at this guessing issues :)
[15:18] <TheSteve0> no more compiz for me until release ;)
[15:18] <TheSteve0> davmor2: thx for your help
[15:19] <davmor2> TheSteve0: it's the back end of last week where it got broken
[15:19] <TheSteve0> sounds about right
[15:19] <TheSteve0> I will wait a little while longer and then restest
[15:20] <davmor2> TheSteve0: alpha 6 would be a good time honest /me runs and ducks behind the couch
[15:21] <TheSteve0> davmor2: yeah - sounds about right
[15:21] <TheSteve0> problem is that I am not very helpful as most ppl find the bugs before me
[15:22] <davmor2> TheSteve0: every little helps even if your just confirming that a bug exists
[15:22] <TheSteve0> alright - will do
[15:23] <TheSteve0> running karmic on my "home" laptop
[15:23] <davmor2> that means it is effecting more than one person etc
[15:24] <TheSteve0> jaunty is on my work desktop and depending on the stability of 6 maybe on my work laptop
[15:24] <TheSteve0> loving the speed and having the updated applications
[15:26] <davmor2> TheSteve0: work laptop I would leave until release it's too important to screw with or have die etc
[15:26] <TheSteve0> davmor2: have you no sense of adventure ;)
[15:27] <TheSteve0> davmor2: alright then maybe I will hold out for the Rc
[15:27] <TheSteve0> they are usually really tight
[15:28] <TheSteve0> testing abobe AIR now
[16:01] <TheSteve0> AIR seems to be working fine - at least tweetdeck
[16:06] <davmor2> ogasawara: you around?
[16:07] <ogasawara> davmor2: what's up
[16:08] <davmor2> ogasawara: I think I got bug 422536 but as far as I can tell it's only kicked in once I enabled the nvidia driver
[16:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 422536 in linux "6.073813] EDAC amd64: WARNING: ECC is NOT currently enabled by the BIOS. Module will NOT be loaded." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/422536
[16:09] <davmor2> ogasawara: Also this didn't show up before today due to broken cd's etc but definitely wasn't in place in alpha 5
[16:10] <ogasawara> davmor2: if you disable the nvidia driver it goes away?
[16:10] <davmor2> I'll have a look for you 2 ticks
[16:16] <davmor2> ogasawara: no still there after give me a minute though I'm running through some install tests so it won't be long before there is a fresh install.  Also I've noticed that once I installed the nvidia drivers the system is running a double speed I'm wondering if that might also be related.
[16:28] <plars> anyone know of a way to supress the spam-fest from ldtp?
[16:28] <davmor2> plars: threaten it with a big gun
[16:28] <plars> the AT-SPI errors, unknown CORBA exceptions, assertion failed messages, etc that seem to happen even when things are going well?
[16:41] <fader_> plars: I guess you've already looked for a '--shut-up-unless-its-important' switch?
[16:41] <fader_> :)
[16:42] <davmor2> :D
[16:42] <plars> fader_: *sigh* can't they make it something more obvious? like -f 4.1 -j --mupvbjx 17
[16:43] <fader_> plars: That only works if you have the $DOGBOWL_KEY environment variable set to "62xI"
[16:43] <plars> HA
[16:46] <davmor2> ogasawara: No the kernel ooops still shows up it is just slower at doing so
[16:46] <davmor2> sorry on a fresh install
[16:47] <ogasawara> davmor2: ok thanks, can you add your kernel info to that bug
[16:48] <davmor2> ogasawara: sure anything else you need?
[16:48] <ogasawara> davmor2: not at the moment, but I may call on you for some testing later on
[16:48] <ogasawara> davmor2: since you're able to reproduce
[16:49] <davmor2> ogasawara: No probs if you need ssh access to that can be arranged
[16:55] <davmor2> ogasawara: I've added uname.txt with just a simple uname -a and then apport-collected on it too :)
[16:56] <ogasawara> davmor2: perfect, thanks
[17:40] <nagappan> plars, that will go off with ldtp2
[17:41] <plars> nagappan: nice! I look forward to it :)
[17:41] <nagappan> plars, sure :)
[18:14] <jcastro> davmor2: do you mind if I put the Application/System Testing bit before the ISO testing for the global jam? And then switch it back to the proper order after?
[18:14] <jcastro> davmor2: On this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Testing
[18:14] <davmor2> jcastro: you can put it any order you want it :)
[18:15] <jcastro> \o/
[18:15] <davmor2> cr3: I snook in checkbox for on that page too ;)
[18:43] <cr3> davmor2: thanks, but I don't see it. searching for "checkbox" doesn't return anything on that page
[18:44] <davmor2> cr3: It's not called checkbox in the menu entry though is it ;)
[18:46] <davmor2> cr3: look for application/system testing
[18:46] <cr3> davmor2: ah, you rock! I like the screenshots
[18:47] <davmor2> cr3: That's cause I rock :D
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[19:15] <davmor2> fader_, cr3: are you getting any issues with bug 422536 on 64bit?
[19:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 422536 in linux "6.073813] EDAC amd64: WARNING: ECC is NOT currently enabled by the BIOS. Module will NOT be loaded." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/422536
[19:17] <fader_> davmor2: No, I haven't seen anything like that
[19:18] <davmor2> fader_: I'm getting it everytime on my nvidia box
[19:18] <cr3> davmor2: haven't noticed
[19:18] <fader_> davmor2: Ah, I don't have nvidia here
[19:19] <davmor2> I'm going to try it on my intel box shortly and see if I get it there too, But I didn't have any issues in a5 or last week when the iso's worked
[19:22] <fader_> davmor2: Yeah, I haven't seen anything like that.  And if you manage to telepathically make my machine unstable we're going to have words :)
[19:23]  * davmor2 concentrates really hard
[19:25] <davmor2> fader_: is it broken yet?
[19:26] <fader_> davmor2: I can't tell you; I'm too busy trying to extinguish the flames that suddenly shot out of it.
[19:27] <davmor2> Yay telepatheticness works :)
[19:57] <davmor3> hey
[19:57] <davmor2> davmor3: hello
[21:40] <davidt> So, I just upgraded some packages on my karmic system, and now it doesn't boot and I don't see a way to get to a shell (anymore)
[21:40] <davidt> is there a way to fix this without a CD?
[21:42] <davmor2> davidt: just hit the esc repeatedly once the system boots the grub menu is there it just has no counter anymore
[21:44] <davidt> no luck. It immediatly jumps to the ubuntu logo with a slider bouncing back and forth
[21:46] <davidt> might it be auto-checking the fs and not printing anything?
[21:46] <davidt> if I ctrl+alt+delete it momentarily drops to a root shell and prints a whole bunch of errors about mountall-shell CONT
[21:46] <fader_> davmor2, davidt: I believe they changed it to look for a held-down key
[21:47] <fader_> (shift?  Maybe control?)
[21:47] <davmor2> davidt: there you go
[21:47] <fader_> i.e. hold down shift as the POST finishes before grub2 loads
[21:49] <davidt> aha, there we go
[21:52] <davidt> okay, I've made a little progress
[21:53] <davidt> now it runs /scripts/local-bottom and /scripts/init-bottom and then stops
[21:53] <davidt> no shell
[21:53] <davidt> (this is in recovery-mode)
[21:53] <fader_> davidt: I know there are some major issues with karmic today, so you may be stuck :(
[21:54] <davmor2> fader_: today?
[21:54] <fader_> davmor2: It's present imperfect; not 'only today', but 'affecting it today' :P
[21:55] <davmor2> :D oh hark at the English teacher
[21:55] <fader_> davidt: The topic for #ubuntu+1 is "Neither karmic nor the buildds are in a working state right now.  This is being worked on.  Please check the topic for more updates", so I'd say you're unlikely to get very far at the moment :/
[21:56] <fader_> davmor2: Three years of Latin and English teachers for a mother and grandmother will do that to you. :P
[21:57] <davidt> okay, well, I sure would like to use this machine. I'll keep poking at it :(
[21:57] <davmor2> fader_: I got the today bit ;)
[21:57] <fader_> davidt: Good luck. :(
[22:03] <jtholmes> fader_ given the ubuntu+1 topic, should I stop all my testing of current builds?
[22:03] <jtholmes> i can get them to work with some trickery
[22:03] <fader_> jtholmes: if you are able to get something working it might still be worthwhile to keep going and see what else is broken :)
[22:04] <hjmf> I've the same issue, I'm stuck at init-bottom :-)
[22:04] <jtholmes> that was my plan thx
[22:05] <davmor2> fader_: I'm up to 20 now :(
[22:06] <fader_> davmor2: Is that the number of cigarettes you've smoked since starting testing?
[22:06] <fader_> :P
[22:07] <davmor2> fader_: if I smoked then yesterday and today I'd of kill myself with the nicotine :P
[22:10] <jtholmes> the smoke from my cpu's are what killing me karmic is smokin' them bad
[22:13] <jtholmes> davmor2, with the not so cheery news on ubuntu+1 I wonder if cjwatson is tearing his hair out
[22:14] <davmor2> I think you'll find everyone is
[22:15] <jtholmes> davmor2, I feel for them it is no fun so close to release
[22:15] <davmor2> hey the longer this goes on the worse it is for us testing it we get less time :(
[22:17] <jtholmes> yes, I felt there was a bit of a problem when the dailys on 9/12, 13, and 14 had problems, yuck
[22:20] <davmor2> jtholmes: that's nothing it's when they find out on the day of release that there is an issue that effects every install and it all needs retesting only nearly everyone has stopped and gone off for the release parties because it was finished testing the day before :)
[22:21] <jtholmes> davmor2, ok that really sounds like great fun, when was the last time that happened?
[22:22] <davmor2> hardy
[22:23] <jtholmes> davmor2, yes, once they go off to the release party's and get a little Long Island Tea, then forget about being able to test anything
[22:24] <davmor2> jtholmes: it was only a little issue the entire system was set to be world writeable
[22:25] <jtholmes> davmor2, just a little issue :)
[22:26] <davmor2> jtholmes: what makes it worse was it was only found out by accident :(
[22:26] <jtholmes> davmor2, say didn't you get some super quad 28,000 core machine a while back
[22:27] <davmor2> no just a dual core
[22:27] <jtholmes> davmor2, but quad processors each being dual core?
[22:30] <davmor2> jtholmes: testing specs are at http://www.davmor2.co.uk/pc-specs
[22:31] <jtholmes> aha, thx I am looking at getting a 64bit machine soon
[22:34] <davmor2> jtholmes: if you can afford it try and go for the intel core duo up you get to double you cores because of ht
[22:36] <jtholmes> davmor2, yes, I havent priced them lately I have a friend in business i buy most of mine from he is fair and if i have problems they get solved
[22:37] <davmor2> yes I got some thing similar
[22:38] <jtholmes> davmor2, looking over your specs, nice machine
[22:38] <davmor2> which one
[22:38] <jtholmes> the last one main
[22:40] <davmor2> That my jaunty pc.  I always keep main back a release for such issues as everything's just died on us now nothing works :)
[22:41] <jtholmes> davmor2, me too, I never run my ops on the latest release too much possibility of having problems
[22:41] <jtholmes> my laptop is actually back at 8.10
[22:42] <jtholmes> davmor2, btw what function puts out that html display of you machine's specs
[22:42] <jtholmes> lshw
[22:42] <jtholmes> lshw?
[22:43] <davmor2> sudo lshw -html > name.html
[22:43] <jtholmes> aha
[22:44] <jtholmes> woo hoo they finally fixed save session for kubuntu 9.10 that was hosed for the last three releases thanks Kubuntu folks, nice job really helps
[22:46] <jtholmes> davmor2, is there really a davmor3 or is that you masquerading? i see them come on now and then
[22:47] <davmor2> jtholmes: I have 2 fulltime nicks so I can test irc when there is no-one else around :)
[22:47] <davmor2> it's just quicker :)
[22:50] <jtholmes> davmor2, interesting :) i often wondered about that
[22:51] <davmor2> well when your testing it's useful to see that A/ your message actually got to the room and B/ that pinging etc works and that highlighting etc changes accordingly
[22:52] <davmor2> so davmor2 is my main box and davmor3 is any test box I'm on
[22:53] <jtholmes> good info, i have two nicks also, jtisme and jtholmes but never thought of those tests will tuck that info back for future use
[22:53] <jtholmes> good ideas
[22:53] <jtholmes> well is it dinner time on the East coast of the USA be away for a while you will probably be gone when i get back see you tomorrow
[22:55] <davmor2> np's