[14:43] <Michalxo_> hello
[14:43] <Keybuk> hello
[14:43] <Michalxo_> is it normal to stop keyb working when in gdm logging screen -> ctrl+alt+f1 -> back to f7
[14:43] <Michalxo_> and keyb is working no more
[14:44] <Keybuk> no
[14:44] <Michalxo_> well.. it happens to me.. did 3 times in a row.. to be sure :D
[14:44] <Michalxo_> and got some images of mountall problem I have with ntfs-3g
[14:45] <Michalxo_> will uppload in a moment
[14:45] <Michalxo_> cjwatson, I am here, I caught your last message
[14:46] <Keybuk> the keyboard issue is likely an X problem, unrelated to boot changes
[14:46] <Keybuk> (your keyboard would either work, or not at all, switching to/fro console shouldn't make a difference)
[14:46] <Michalxo_> ok I'll past it then there :)
[14:46] <Michalxo_> well.. it works here, it works there.. then it works no more :)
[14:47] <Keybuk> iz gtk bug
[14:49] <Michalxo_> http://pastebin.org/18318
[14:51] <Keybuk> *reading8
[14:51] <Michalxo_> dunno how to make it in 1 link :(
[14:51] <Keybuk> so your two ntfs filesystems didn't mount
[14:51] <Keybuk> but otherwise your boot worked?
[14:52] <Michalxo_> yes
[14:52] <Michalxo_> and on shutdown, I have that error message of mountall
[14:52] <Keybuk> fuse: failed to create temporary directory
[14:52] <Keybuk> seems to be the key message here
[14:52] <Keybuk> the STOP/CONT thing?  don't worry about that - that's just a random artefact of the shutdown sequence
[14:52] <Michalxo_> well.. I know nothing about that :(
[14:52] <Michalxo_> haha ok :)
[14:53] <Keybuk> could you try something for me
[14:53] <Keybuk> boot it up
[14:53] <Keybuk> and open a terminal
[14:53] <Keybuk> then run
[14:53] <Keybuk> sudo -s
[14:53] <Keybuk> that'll give you a root terminal
[14:53] <Keybuk> then run
[14:53] <Keybuk> echo -n add > /sys/block/sda/sda1/uevent
[14:53] <Keybuk> echo -n add > /sys/block/sda/sda6/uevent
[14:54] <Keybuk> then see if your two windows partitions are mounted
[14:55] <Michalxo_> well.. can't I do it here?
[14:55] <Keybuk> Michalxo_: "here" ?
[14:55] <Michalxo_> or you mean recovery?
[14:55] <Michalxo_> why reboot :-/
[14:55] <Keybuk> oh, you're on the system now?  yes you can do it now
[14:55] <Michalxo_> I am there :)
[14:55] <doko> Keybuk: udev isn't running as well
[14:55] <Keybuk> I didn't say "reboot", just "boot" :)
[14:55] <Michalxo_> heh
[14:55] <Keybuk> doko: please take a ticket - I'll be with you shortly :p
[14:57] <Michalxo_> Keybuk, should taht echo change something in file?
[14:57] <Michalxo_> they are not mounted
[14:57] <Keybuk> ok
[14:58] <Keybuk> Michalxo_: what does "status mountall" say ?
[14:58] <Michalxo_> start/running, process 1159
[14:59] <Keybuk> ah, no, I see
[14:59] <Keybuk> it already tried to mount them and failed, and doesn't try again
[15:00] <Keybuk> Michalxo_: thanks for your help, I can see what's wrong
[15:00] <Michalxo_> so? :) update will be soon out?
[15:00] <Keybuk> yes
[15:00] <Michalxo_> thank you... btw ntfs / ntfs-3g in fstab = that big difference?
[15:00] <Keybuk> no, it understands both
[15:01] <Keybuk> the problem you have is that it tries to mount the ntfs partitions while the root filesystem is still read-only
[15:01] <Michalxo_> cause with ntfs it works good
[15:01] <Michalxo_> aha
[15:01] <Keybuk> and since ntfs-3g is handled by fuse, this can't work, because it needs at least /tmp to be writable
[15:01] <Michalxo_> ah, I see
[15:01] <Keybuk> ntfs is handled in-kernel, so might not
[15:01] <Michalxo_> ok then
[15:01] <Keybuk> the mounting while / is read-only is a bit of an optimisation
[15:02] <Keybuk> it seems to be a bit over-ambitious
[15:02] <Michalxo_> :)
[15:02] <Michalxo_> ok then :) anything you need more from me?
[15:02] <Keybuk> no, thank you very much for your help
[15:02] <Michalxo_> welcome, thanks for upcoming patch and work :)
[15:03] <Michalxo_> bye! :)
[15:03] <Keybuk> doko: right
[15:03] <Keybuk> you said that udev was not running?
[15:04] <cjwatson> Keybuk: where does revision control for mountall live?
[15:04] <Keybuk> cjwatson: /home/scott/work/native-upstart/mountall
[15:04] <cjwatson> ah :)
[15:04] <cjwatson> bzr init it is, then
[15:04] <Keybuk> I can't push to lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu/karmic/mountall :-(
[15:05] <Keybuk> oh, but I can if I put /ubuntu on the end
[15:05] <Keybuk> cjwatson: lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu/karmic/mountall/ubuntu
[15:05] <cjwatson> cool, thanks
[15:07] <Keybuk> pull again, hadn't pushed the pending changes
[15:09] <doko> Keybuk: yes
[15:10] <Keybuk> doko: that's odd
[15:10] <Keybuk> do you see any udev output on the console?
[15:11] <doko> Keybuk: no
[15:12] <doko> only running process beisdes kernel processes is mountall
[15:15] <doko> hmm, /var is on it's own partition, mount says it's mounted ro, but it's not the partition (just see a lock and a run dir)
[15:15] <Keybuk> doko: mount lies until the root filesystem is mounted, remember
[15:15] <Keybuk> hmm
[15:15] <Keybuk> doko: what does "status udev" say?
[15:16] <doko> Keybuk: udev stop/waiting
[15:17] <Keybuk> try "start udev"
[15:17] <cjwatson> Keybuk: did you notice Steve uploaded mountall 0.1.5?
[15:18] <Keybuk> cjwatson: no
[15:18] <cjwatson> conversion to dh, probably supersedes your pending change if you're OK with it
[15:18] <Keybuk> argh, why the fuck did he do that?
[15:18] <cjwatson> so that we don't have to remember to use dh_installchangelogs?
[15:18] <Keybuk> you don't change people's packaging to another system without at least talking to them
[15:19] <cjwatson> 10:04 <slangasek> Keybuk: any good reason for me to not switch mountall to dh 7, so we don't have to worry about missing things like dh_installchangelogs in the future? :)
[15:19] <cjwatson> I guess he was in a rush or something
[15:19] <Keybuk> well, he can maintain it then
[15:20] <Keybuk> I'll reassign all the mountall bugs to him
[15:20] <doko> Keybuk: does start, then I get hundreds of messages "UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY, Superblock last mount time is in the future". after that I can't enter anything
[15:20] <cjwatson> gah