| juancarlospaco | hi | 00:47 |
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| juancarlospaco | where to report a "need packaging" for new software for ubuntu under BSD licence? | 00:48 |
| bdmurray | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages | 00:49 |
| juancarlospaco | ok, thanks | 00:49 |
| juancarlospaco | bye, may the source be with us... | 01:12 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:10 |
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| matti | Morning Daniel | 09:21 |
| matti | ;] | 09:21 |
| dholbach | hi matti | 09:24 |
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| ^arky^ | About bug 430557: Can't find the missing libgecko2.0-cli package | 10:41 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 430557 in ubuntu "libgecko2.0-cil missing in karmic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/430557 | 10:41 |
| matti | Ahh. | 10:46 |
| matti | Score from BSG season 4 is so nice :) | 10:46 |
| ^arky^ | matti: BSG? | 11:08 |
| matti | Battlestar Galactica | 11:09 |
| ^arky^ | Ah! | 11:09 |
| matti | Music by Bear McCreary. | 11:09 |
| ^arky^ | thanks for the hint matti | 11:09 |
| matti | :) | 11:09 |
| matti | I listen to it at work at the moment. | 11:09 |
| matti | And it is very pleasant. | 11:10 |
| ^arky^ | may I should get OST | 11:20 |
| * ^arky^ search for BSG soundtrack | 11:20 | |
| matti | Try on Youtube first :) | 11:21 |
| ^arky^ | ok cool | 11:26 |
| ^arky^ | About bug 430557: Can't find the missing libgecko2.0-cli package | 11:26 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 430557 in ubuntu "libgecko2.0-cil missing in karmic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/430557 | 11:26 |
| james_w | ^arky^: hey | 11:39 |
| ^arky^ | hey james_w | 11:46 |
| ^arky^ | I am sorry for diff mistake on envy-core merge request | 11:46 |
| ^arky^ | didn't know how it got there? | 11:47 |
| james_w | the tsclient one? | 11:47 |
| james_w | no problem | 11:47 |
| james_w | I've fixed that up | 11:47 |
| james_w | would you like me to directly fix your email address? | 11:47 |
| ^arky^ | sure | 11:50 |
| james_w | care to /query me with the one you would like? | 11:51 |
| ^arky^ | didn't get it, I am sleep deprived to understand what you mean? james_w | 11:52 |
| james_w | ^arky^: your email address is hidden on LP, so I wasn't sure which you wanted to use | 11:53 |
| james_w | shall I use @yahoo.com? | 11:53 |
| james_w | I see it is included in the mails about the merge request now | 11:54 |
| ^arky^ | yes, | 11:54 |
| ^arky^ | you can use that one | 11:55 |
| james_w | and would you prefer your name or your nick to go with that? | 11:56 |
| ^arky^ | arky | 11:57 |
| ^arky^ | yes | 11:57 |
| james_w | ok | 11:58 |
| ^arky^ | thanks james_w I also unhide my email on LP | 11:59 |
| james_w | ^arky^: I've prepared the upload, but we are frozen for now, so I will upload once we are unfrozen again | 12:04 |
| james_w | thanks for your work | 12:04 |
| asac | someone here could please verify bug 398205 on jaunty? | 12:50 |
| asac | thx | 12:50 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 398205 in xulrunner-1.9.1 "Geolocation via WLAN doesn't seem to work" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/398205 | 12:50 |
| asac | !! | 12:50 |
| lfaraone | bdmurray: re ReportingBugs, sorry I didn't realize that clicking "report a bug" when you've already found a package would redirect you to the wiki. | 14:02 |
| lfaraone | bdmurray: can't we find a more usable way than editing a URL by hand, though? | 14:02 |
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| mika007 | 1. How do I report a bug? 2. Before reporting, how do I check that the same bug is not already reported by someone else ? | 15:33 |
| james_w | mika007: run "ubuntu-bug <packagename>" where <packagename> is the name of the package that has the problem | 15:33 |
| james_w | that will walk you through it and suggest other bugs that might be the one you wish to report | 15:34 |
| mika007 | I have no idea what package is faulty. I just know there's a problem with kaffeine, but it may be a hardware / driver problem ... | 15:34 |
| mika007 | should the ubuntu 9.10 alpha be already in a working condition ? | 15:41 |
| james_w | mika007: no guarantees | 16:00 |
| james_w | and in fact not likely today :-) | 16:00 |
| plars | is usplash not coming up on boot related to bug #430654? | 16:16 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 430654 in udev "udev 147 outputs warnings about default rules" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/430654 | 16:16 |
| bdmurray | lfaraone: I agree editing the url by hand isn't very usable but if we link directly to no-redirect then that kind of undermines purpose of having the redirect in the first place. | 16:19 |
| micahg | hi ^arky^, I was wondering if bug 428976 that you submitted is a dupe of bug 411962 | 16:25 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 428976 in firefox-3.5 "Firefox locks audio" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/428976 | 16:25 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 411962 in pulseaudio "Pulse audio queues audio and gets locked to the app PID" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/411962 | 16:25 |
| ^arky^ | micahg: let me check, just a moment | 16:27 |
| ^arky^ | micahg: original bug report didn't give me much info, but I think its a duplicate | 16:28 |
| micahg | ^arky^: you can provide more if you think it will help :) | 16:29 |
| ^arky^ | micahg: sorry I can't reproduce the bug, It was one of unlinked bug reports I process everything | 16:30 |
| micahg | ok | 16:30 |
| ^arky^ | s/everything/everyday/g | 16:30 |
| lfaraone | bdmurray: hm... | 16:30 |
| micahg | oh, sorry, for some reason I thought you submitted it | 16:30 |
| ^arky^ | np | 16:30 |
| * micahg is a little under the weather :( | 16:30 | |
| * ^arky^ passes micahg a beer , that will pull you thro | 16:31 | |
| ^arky^ | about bug 430678: should I assign it alsa-base or linux ?. | 16:51 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 430678 in ubuntu "Karmic doesn't configure the sound card on acer 5520 completely, is easy to solve!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/430678 | 16:51 |
| micahg | ^arky^: that file is in alsa-base | 16:53 |
| ^arky^ | thanks | 16:54 |
| ^arky^ | lately lp is assigning 'alsa-base' bugs to 'alsa-driver' | 16:55 |
| micahg | ^arky^: alsa-driver is the source package for alsa-base | 16:56 |
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| sbc | Møde om 10 min i #ubuntu-dk-moede | 17:50 |
| bdmurray | ubuntu qa team meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 5 minutes | 17:56 |
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| e-jat | anyone know how to solve this bugs 428365 | 19:15 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 428365 in ubuntu "Karmic Koala Alpha 5. Desktop does not start, freezes the boot screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/428365 | 19:15 |
| greg-g | there is a lot of work going into some book issues today, e-jat. I don't know the status as I haven't been effected yet. It has been discussed in #ubuntu-devel | 19:23 |
| Trijntje | Hi all, openoffice depletes /dev/random when it starts, should this count as a security vulnerability in a bug report? | 19:32 |
| Trijntje | or isn't that a bug at all? | 19:33 |
| hggdh | e-jat_: there is a current issue on karmic, where system startup fails | 19:53 |
| e-jat_ | hggdh, yeah .. | 19:53 |
| e-jat_ | is it solution in bugs 398214 help ? | 19:54 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 398214 in ubuntu "Karmic Koala stopps dead after /scripts/init-bottom" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/398214 | 19:54 |
| hggdh | e-jat_: don't know. Just read your issue, it is not the same as bug 430611 (startup fails) | 19:55 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 430611 in dbus "dbus fails to start on clean boot using upstart job" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/430611 | 19:55 |
| hggdh | e-jat_: yours sound more like another issue I heard about on #ubuntu+1 | 19:55 |
| hggdh | Trijntje: how do you know it deplects /dev/random? | 19:56 |
| Trijntje | hggdh: my brand new conky | 19:56 |
| hggdh | :-) | 19:56 |
| Trijntje | ${entropy_avail} | 19:57 |
| e-jat_ | hggdh, so any idea? | 19:57 |
| hggdh | Trijntje: it this indeed happens, it is certainly a bug; I can barely see it as a security exposure, though | 19:57 |
| hggdh | notice the *barely* | 19:58 |
| hggdh | please open a bug, and add in enough data documenting this behaviour | 19:58 |
| Trijntje | hggdh: I guess you are right, /dev/random locks when its empty. I've had one confirmation so far of this behavior so its not just me ;) | 19:58 |
| e-jat_ | ? | 19:59 |
| * hggdh can think of attacks on web servers with https, but why would a web server be running OO.o? | 19:59 | |
| hggdh | Trijntje: yes, starvation on /dev/random -- if this is the single source of random data on your system -- will cause all users to be delayed | 20:00 |
| hggdh | er, read "all users *of random data* to be delayed | 20:00 |
| Trijntje | hggdh: so that would be a kind of DOS attack | 20:00 |
| hggdh | yes. But, again, (probably) very limited | 20:01 |
| hggdh | if you are on a multi-user system, then other active users will be impacted when requesting /dev/random; if you are alone on your system, *you* are impacted | 20:02 |
| hggdh | but, again, why would a server be running openoffice? | 20:02 |
| Trijntje | true | 20:03 |
| Trijntje | hggdh: what should i file the bug against? it happens in presentation, writer and calc | 20:04 |
| hggdh | Trijntje: I guess against OO itself, and you then state this happens on these components | 20:06 |
| Trijntje | hggdh: so not against any package? | 20:07 |
| hggdh | hum. Isn't openoffice a package? | 20:09 |
| hggdh | Trijntje: openoffice.org is the package you want | 20:10 |
| Trijntje | hggdh: ok, thanks | 20:11 |
| kees | Trijntje: I cannot reproduce | 20:11 |
| kees | before oo starts: $ cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail | 20:11 |
| kees | 177 | 20:11 |
| kees | after: $ cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail | 20:11 |
| kees | 133 | 20:11 |
| kees | that's within normal system running variablity | 20:11 |
| Trijntje | 177 is already low right? | 20:11 |
| * kees shrugs | 20:12 | |
| hggdh | sounds in the normal range | 20:12 |
| Trijntje | i have 3000 without OO | 20:12 |
| kees | Trijntje: my colo machine runs between 200 and 100. avg about 157 | 20:12 |
| kees | Trijntje: perhaps you have a good entropy device on your system | 20:13 |
| hggdh | interesting. Much higher than what I see. My avg is around kees' | 20:13 |
| hggdh | sounds like it | 20:13 |
| kees | Trijntje: the i810 motherboards had a built-in entropy generator | 20:13 |
| * hggdh is getting blue with envy | 20:13 | |
| Trijntje | kees: what is you max size of pool | 20:13 |
| kees | Trijntje: my colo's max is 190. | 20:14 |
| Trijntje | my max is 4096 | 20:14 |
| kees | I don't like it being so low, so I figured I'd buy one of these eventually: http://www.entropykey.co.uk/ | 20:14 |
| kees | Trijntje: strace -e trace=file -s 1024 -f ooffice 2>/tmp/file.log | 20:16 |
| kees | I see something opening urandom, but not random. | 20:16 |
| hggdh | hum. Nice gadget. kees, runs under Linux? | 20:16 |
| kees | hggdh: supposedly | 20:16 |
| hggdh | hum. hum and hum. Interesting, really | 20:17 |
| Trijntje | kees: [pid 17805] access("/dev/random", R_OK) = 0 | 20:18 |
| kees | sure, that's an "access()" call. it's testing to see if it exists. | 20:18 |
| Trijntje | thought that, not familiar with strace | 20:19 |
| hggdh | ooooh, they even offer Ubuntu packages and source.... | 20:20 |
| kees | Trijntje: so, I'm still curious how your entropy is so high, and I'm curious what problem you were seeing with random? | 20:21 |
| kees | hggdh: there's also randomsound which uses your system's microphone to gather entropy | 20:22 |
| hggdh | kees: thank you, will download & check it. Better than trying to explain to my wife why I need another (for her) useless gizmo that goes for about 42 pounds | 20:25 |
| kees | hggdh: yeah, I'm trying to gather a bulk order of 10 to the states | 20:25 |
| * bdmurray waits for it | 20:29 | |
| hggdh | oh, so there are other candidates... | 20:32 |
| hggdh | randomsound by itself raised my entropy level to about 3000 | 20:36 |
| hggdh | OTOH, arecord is eating up a lot of CPU... so does not seem a good option | 20:37 |
| Trijntje | kees: yeah, i dont know why my pool is that big. | 20:40 |
| Trijntje | btw, did you limit the output of strace with that command? maybe it calls /dev/random later on | 20:40 |
| kees | Trijntje: nope, -e trace=file will show all file ops | 20:42 |
| Trijntje | kees: thats like magic, how can OO empty the pool without reading from it. | 20:43 |
| kees | Trijntje: your pool seriously goes from 3000 to 0 ? | 20:43 |
| Trijntje | 3500 to 230 | 20:46 |
| hggdh | Trijntje: what version of Ubuntu are you running? | 20:49 |
| Trijntje | hggdh: 9.04, 32 bit | 20:50 |
| hggdh | good | 20:50 |
| hggdh | I would like you to test your random source... | 20:50 |
| hggdh | copy a large file -- anything from about 10M to 50M to /tmp | 20:50 |
| hggdh | and then run 'shred -n 3 /tmp/<filename>' | 20:51 |
| hggdh | and monitor your entropy level | 20:51 |
| hggdh | this will shred the file with random data, 3 passes of it (the -n 3 parameter) | 20:52 |
| hggdh | shred on 9.04 still uses coreutils 6.10, IIRC | 20:52 |
| Trijntje | hggdh: ok, what should i look for? | 20:54 |
| hggdh | how low your entropy goes | 20:54 |
| hggdh | shred will massively use your random source (at this version, 6.10, again) | 20:55 |
| hggdh | this will not work on 9.10 anymore -- shred uses a different source for entropy | 20:55 |
| Trijntje | ok, pool is nog 3596, starting | 20:56 |
| Trijntje | drops to ~150 | 20:56 |
| Trijntje | done | 20:56 |
| hggdh | how large was the file? | 20:56 |
| Trijntje | 22.6 MB | 20:57 |
| hggdh | and shred was done in a few seconds? | 20:57 |
| hggdh | please run 'shred -v -n3 ...' | 20:58 |
| Trijntje | trijntje@trijntje-desktop:/tmp$ shred -v -n3 /tmp/part1 | 20:59 |
| Trijntje | shred: /tmp/part1: doorloop 1/3 (random)... | 20:59 |
| Trijntje | shred: /tmp/part1: doorloop 1/3 (random)...21MiB/23MiB 97% | 20:59 |
| Trijntje | shred: /tmp/part1: doorloop 1/3 (random)...23MiB/23MiB 100% | 20:59 |
| Trijntje | shred: /tmp/part1: doorloop 2/3 (random)... | 20:59 |
| Trijntje | shred: /tmp/part1: doorloop 3/3 (random)... | 20:59 |
| Trijntje | ah, sorry about that | 21:00 |
| hggdh | np | 21:00 |
| hggdh | you *really* have a good entropy source... | 21:00 |
| Trijntje | doorloop = dutch for run | 21:00 |
| hggdh | it should have taken longer than a few seconds -- at least it used to, on my laptop | 21:01 |
| Trijntje | thats cool, i never knew. How would i have gotten a good entropy source? | 21:01 |
| hggdh | Trijntje: during the run, did the entropy level ever went down to 0? | 21:01 |
| Trijntje | hggdh: no, ~150 min i think | 21:02 |
| hggdh | so you never really got starvation... | 21:02 |
| hggdh | and -- I figured you as dutch/flemish, by the nick ;-) | 21:03 |
| Trijntje | hggdh: no, and it restores the pool realy fast | 21:04 |
| hggdh | let me start my OO | 21:04 |
| Trijntje | hggdh: where should i look to find that generator? i'm curious now.. | 21:04 |
| hggdh | Trijntje: you sound see a reference to something during system startup -- dmesg|less, and go looking, probably from middle to end of it | 21:06 |
| hggdh | Trijntje: my OO startup did not show any significant difference on the entropy level | 21:06 |
| hggdh | why yours show it, I do not know. Makes no sense, even more with the strace outputs | 21:07 |
| Trijntje | it takes it down to ~135.. | 21:08 |
| Trijntje | btw, nothing to grep for in dmesg? | 21:08 |
| hggdh | not really, I do not know what to expect ;-) | 21:10 |
| hggdh | hum | 21:11 |
| hggdh | perhaps /var/log/kern.log would be better. Whatever it is, should be near boot time (a module being loaded, with a name that suggests an entropy source) | 21:11 |
| Trijntje | hmm, i dont realy know what i'm looking for eighter :P | 21:16 |
| hggdh | but, whatever it is, you are good to go ;-) | 21:17 |
| Trijntje | maybe my /dev/random is just broken ;) | 21:18 |
| hggdh | I would doubt it | 21:18 |
| Trijntje | is there a way to check how random that file got by shredding it? | 21:20 |
| hggdh | you can try to compress it (gzip, bzip2, zip, whatever). A good indication of random data is inability to compress well | 21:21 |
| Trijntje | hggdh: bad compression, factor 1.00016 | 21:23 |
| hggdh | sounds good | 21:24 |
| Trijntje | yeah, weird | 21:24 |
| BUGabundo | olá | 21:25 |
| hggdh | olá, BUGabundo | 21:27 |
| BUGabundo | ola Carlos | 21:27 |
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| Trijntje | well thanks for your help hggdh, i filed a bug report about it | 21:58 |
| hggdh | welcome | 22:00 |
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