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asacwell done ;)00:00
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ftahttp://launchpadlibrarian.net/31856038/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.firefox-3.6_3.6~a2~hg20090915r31768%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1~hardy_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz00:04
asacyeah bad branding stuff. have to reconsider the approach at some point i guess00:08
* asac tets NM00:08
mconnorasac: you know you can just add a file like all-ubuntu.js to override prefs, right?00:22
mconnorinstead of patching firefox.js00:24
micahgthat seems like a much better idea :)00:25
mconnorhttp://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/firefox/F-11/firefox-redhat-default-prefs.js?revision=1.15&view=markup00:26
micahgmconnor: does the file go in the same directory?00:26
mconnoryeah00:27
mconnorwe just grab all files in that directory and iterate00:27
micahgand the firefox file is first?00:27
mconnoryeah00:28
mconnorfirefox-foo.js comes after00:28
mconnorso all-ubuntu is wrong, you want firefox-ubuntu.js to come next in ordering00:28
micahgso, should our file be firefox-ubuntu.js?00:29
mconnorlikely, yes00:29
micahgasac: is this something you'd like me to work on?00:29
micahgasac: in the mean time, should I propose a merge for 3.6 tonight?00:31
eagles0513875morning08:20
[reed]asac: ping08:49
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asac[reed]: hola09:43
[reed]asac: see your s-g mail and second the nom :)09:43
asacmconnor: yes we even hab those ubuntu.js files etc.09:51
asachave09:51
asacbut the main issue with that branding split patch are usually the other files09:51
asac[reed]: did you talk to glandium if he actually wants that ;)?09:55
asac[reed]: point is that he always complained that he doesnt have time for security related stuff etc.10:03
asac[reed]: so unless he asked for this i will just ack the three security group members (jdstrand, kees, jmm) i will work with10:06
[reed]asac: sorry, just saw your response10:19
[reed]yes, glandium is the one who requested it in the first place10:19
[reed]on Sat, 11 Jul 2009 08:43:05 +020010:20
[reed]so, you should vouch for him10:21
asaci will talk to him10:22
[reed]actually, Moritz nom'd glandium, but glandium accepted10:22
asache could have pinged me too10:22
[reed]now that I actually read my e-mail correctly10:22
asaci vouched for moritz now10:23
asacin general security team members are a clear goal10:23
asacclear go10:23
eagles0513875morning asac  :)10:24
asac[reed]: glandium never expressed any interest to me - i talked about this with him ... i will vouch for him if he asks me to and says he actually wants to do serious security10:24
[reed]well, he maintains xulrunner and firefox still, right?10:25
asac[reed]: yes. but he spends only the absolute minimum time on security updates - if any time at all. he was not even willing to verify anything i prepared for him in the past and always complained that canonical should pay for security updates of this packages etc. :/10:27
eagles0513875O_O10:28
* eagles0513875 just sits quietly10:28
asac[reed]: anyway. i will try to talk to him10:30
asacto see if he really wants this10:30
[reed]ok10:31
[reed]asac: thanks10:31
[reed]asac: the gentoo noms come from armin7610:31
asacare those security team members?10:32
asacin line with the mail i wrote i think security team members should always be added10:32
[reed]yeah, I think so... jdstrand seemed to know at least one of them10:32
* [reed] checks10:32
[reed]looks like Jory A. Pratt is the maintainer10:33
[reed]and Robert Buchholz is security team for gentoo10:34
asacjdstrand: ^10:34
asachow much work did you do with Robert?10:34
* asac shower10:35
mac_vasac: hi... i want to modify wpa_supplicant from logging in syslog , the logs are from network manager? or where should look for this?10:56
asacmac_v: there is no point preventing wpasupplicant to log to syslog imo10:57
asacanyway the logging is done by wpasupplicant10:57
mac_vasac: the problem from me is i'm trying to read the logs and every 2 mins the view gets shifted :(10:58
mac_vto the last line10:58
asachey, thats a local setup problem ;)10:58
asacuse less :)10:58
eagles0513875mac_v:  or you could kill the wifi connection so it has no reason to update10:58
asacis that the "SCAN RESULT" log?10:59
mac_vwpa_supplicant: CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS10:59
mac_vyup10:59
mac_veagles0513875:  you want me to remove the foot for a small mole ;p10:59
asaccheck what priority that has in wpasupplicant code10:59
eagles0513875mac_v: ?11:00
mac_vi need to use wifi11:00
eagles0513875but if ur tryign to check the log it might be easier to kill the wifi for the time being11:00
eagles0513875asac: once i get my keyboard and mouse fixed ill be willing to go to the next phase of my education in bug fixing lol11:01
eagles0513875but first lunch time11:01
asac no hurry11:01
asac i am overwhelmed by stuff atm anyway11:01
andvasac, do we have mozilla-traybiff in ubuntu?11:01
eagles0513875asac:  if there is anything u can offload on me when i get things sorted out feel free to do so11:02
andvyes, found11:02
mac_vandv: you by any chance trying to modify the traybiff to work with the messaging menu?11:05
andvmac_v, I was going to update it for debian11:06
andvmac_v, didnt hack on it yet11:06
mac_voh , ok :)11:06
andvmac_v, upstream seems stuck11:06
asacsomeone here could please verify bug 398205 on jaunty?12:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 398205 in xulrunner-1.9.1 "Geolocation via WLAN doesn't seem to work" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39820512:49
asacthx!!!12:49
JanCtest on jaunty or on karmic?12:56
eagles0513875JanC: asac said jaunty regarding the bug above12:57
JanCuh, right  ツ12:58
JanCI don't expect it to work anyway  :P12:58
eagles0513875lol12:59
eagles0513875hell if you want you can test on both lol for that matter12:59
JanCwell, accordign to the bug report there is supposed to be a "Give it a try!" button, except I don't see one?  ツ13:00
JanCs/button/link/13:00
eagles0513875hehe13:02
eagles0513875not fixed from the get go lol13:02
JanCokay, when I test it now, it's accurate to about 50km  :P13:07
JanCon karmic13:07
JanClet's check jaunty too13:07
eagles0513875hehe13:08
JanCworks for me in jaunty too (with the same imprecision)13:14
JanCso I guess it's just using my IP in both cases13:14
JanCI don't know how that WLAN stuff is supposed to work anyway  ;)13:15
JanCI don't see how they can know much about the "nearby wireless access points"13:17
asacjaunty13:22
asacJanC: its firefox-3.5 in jaunty13:22
asacJanC: you wont see the "try here" if you run ffox 3.013:22
JanCnah, was because I needed to enable scripting & cookies for several domains before it showed13:23
JanC*sigh*, WTF I try to run the upstream binary with -no-remote and it says that another firefox is already running?13:27
asacJanC: if ubuntu version is running its because your profile is in use13:31
asaci use MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1 firefox -P13:31
asacto open profile manager and select my test profile13:31
asacJanC: can you verify the firefox-3.5 in jaunty-proposed? ;)....13:32
asaci dont have jaunty so i am kind of lost here :)13:32
asacand QA team is full with alpha6 testing etc.13:33
eagles0513875is alpha 6 out13:35
asacno13:35
eagles0513875ok was bout to say13:36
asacQA13:36
eagles0513875lol13:36
asac14:33 < asac> and QA team is full with alpha6 testing etc.13:36
eagles0513875ahhh its in qa13:36
asactry to read complete lines :-P13:36
eagles0513875lol13:37
JanCasac: I did, and it doesn't do anything different from the upstream version for me  ;)13:37
JanCbut both upstream & karmic versions do the same on my desktop without wireless too13:38
JanCso I guess the whole WLAN geolocation thing is really useless unless you're in an area that has 500 APs13:38
eagles0513875hahah JanC13:39
JanCso, the right question is: can somebody living in a "megapolis" test on jaunty ?13:40
JanCin the center of a13:41
JanCasac: good question to ask might be: did the bug reporter test that in the same location with the upstream binary & with the jaunty one?13:43
asacthat sounds odd ... let me check13:44
asacJanC: karmic version is fixed for a while13:44
* JanC is happy that his ISP uses 1 DHCP pool for half the country, so geolocation never works :P13:44
asacso its normal that upstream behaves the same as us13:44
JanCasac: I get the same result on my desktop though13:45
JanCwithout wireless13:45
asacJanC: also karmic?13:45
JanCyes13:45
asacJanC: that _can_ be normal13:45
asacJanC: if you dont have jaunty then you cannot help13:45
asacit didnt work at all before13:45
JanCI have jaunty13:46
asacJanC: and it gives you a fix?13:46
JanCjaunty/karmic, wireless/wired, ubuntu/upstream all gives the same13:46
asacJanC: dpkg -l firefox-3.513:46
asacon jaunty please13:46
asacJanC: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l firefox-3.513:46
asacrather that13:46
JanCI *just* installed it on jaunty  ;)13:47
asacJanC: right. but what version ... please ;)13:47
asacJanC: ok so yeah13:47
asacJanC: are you on your laptop atm?13:47
asacplease run iwlist scan (without sudo)13:48
asacdo you see any access points?13:48
JanCno, chatting from my desktop, I brought my EEE with jaunty down here13:49
JanCversion is 3.5.3+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.9.04.2 from jaunty-proposed13:50
JanCand I have 4 access points visible (mine + 3 neighbours, I suppose)13:51
asacJanC: where do you see those APs?13:51
asacif you run iwlist scan?13:52
asacso if those APs are visible without sudo13:52
JanCboth there & in NM13:52
asacthe "where i am" should give you a better fix if google knows about those APs13:52
JanCI guess the "google knows" is lacking  ;)13:53
asaci get a location with a circle of about 250m  ... the middle is pretty close (gues like 20-40m)13:53
JanCbut what do you get with a wired connection?13:53
asaci even get that if my iwlist is flushed (e.g. just my current AP)13:53
asacwhich is in fact a bit scary13:53
asacJanC: with a wired connection i get a big area13:54
asaclike my full city or something13:54
JanCwell, the area it gives me is a city 50km from here  ;)13:54
asacyeah13:54
asacmaybe google doesnt like your place ;)13:55
asacits scary ... i put that AP here about 2 month ago13:55
JanCasac: well, I'd be happy if google keeps disliking my area  ;)13:55
asacwonder how they get that data. or are they driving around like nuts ;)13:55
asacJanC: is it out-of-city place?13:56
JanCno, Bruges, Belgium, near the city center13:56
asachow many inhabs?13:56
JanCBruges without the villages & Zeebrugge is about 90-100 thousand I guess13:57
asac255,844 inhabitants13:57
asachttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruges13:57
asacand 117k13:57
asacso yeah. the city i was in yesterday is more than a million. but today i am in city with 250k (without near city villages etc)13:58
asacnot sure if it has reached the critical mass :)13:58
asacwhat city do you get on ethernet?13:58
JanCGhent, Belgium13:59
asacok probably your hub city13:59
JanCno it's one of several (smaller & larger) places other geolocation services place me too  ;)13:59
JanCdepending on my current IP14:00
asacyeah. probably your provider has multiple centers each owning different IP blocks or something ;)14:00
JanCgeolocation services don't like wide area DHCP pools  ;)14:00
asacyes. thats why we want wifi14:00
asaconly really useful if you know where you are imo14:01
JanCI don't see how WiFi can help with that, unless people tell where they live?14:01
asacJanC: google drives around afaik.14:01
asacand the fact that they know this AP means they do it quite massively14:02
asacor have some other smart way to get that data14:02
asaci havent seen sometig like "we dont know, please tell us where you are"14:02
JanCyeah, but most neighbours/people have $DEFAULT_MANUFACTURER_SSID  :P14:02
asacSSID isnt important14:03
asacrather BSSID14:03
asacand maybe stuff like channel. but should be easy to see in code what parts are submitted14:03
JanC(ESSID I mean)14:04
JanCthey could use the MAC maybe14:04
asacthats the BSSID14:05
JanCokay, so I need to randomly change my AP's MAC-address now?  ;)14:06
JanCanyway, I'll see if I can find someone in a more crowded place...14:07
asacJanC: that would be precious14:08
bdrung_asac: should we rename all extensions to xul-ext-$NAME?15:01
asacnot sure15:06
asacthats the part of the spec i dont like ;)15:06
asaci think we shouldnt do that kind of transition in karmic anymore.15:07
bdrung_k, we will do it in karmic+115:08
bdrung_asac: do you have a better idea than xul-ext-$NAME?15:08
asacno prefix ;)15:11
asacbut maybe xul-ext- is right15:12
jdstrandasac: I haven't worked with Robert at all. I may have been in the same email thread with him once or twice, that's it15:13
asacjdstrand: good15:13
asacthx15:13
jdstrandwouldn't say we are close :)15:13
micahgasac: can we talk about firefox prefs and patches?16:30
asacmicahg: sure16:34
asacwe have a "patch cleanup task" on the 3.5 karmic agenda still16:34
asacso we should do that16:34
asacalso in general ;)16:34
asachttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.1.head/files/head%3A/debian/patches/16:35
asac1.9.1.head patches16:35
asachttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.3.head/files/head%3A/debian/patches/16:35
micahgok16:35
asac1.9.3.head patches ;)16:35
micahgshould I open a bug specifically for the preference extraction?16:36
asacso first we need to understand if the patches we have are in sync16:36
asacmicahg: i am not sure what you mean by preference extraction16:36
micahgfirefox-ubuntu.js16:36
asacwell. we have a bunch of those16:37
micahglike we were talking about yesterday16:37
asacquestion is: what you want to put there16:37
asacand why its better to have that outside a patch.16:37
asacwhich patch is it?16:37
micahgany preference that we modify in a patch that isn't transient16:37
micahgfirefox-profilename16:38
asacso that patch is interesting16:38
asacits basically a bug fix16:38
asaci dont think we should start putting such tings in ubuntu.js files16:39
asacunless we say that there is no upstream fix16:39
sebnerasac: is NM now so much cooler or is it a error that my wifi has now 68% instead of ~50? =)16:39
asaci wouls think your drivers want to be cooler ;)16:40
micahgasac: it seems like we just replace %APP% with firefox in a lot of places16:40
asacmozilla/browser/branding/unofficial/pref/firefox-branding.js16:41
asacso that si the unofficial branding16:41
asacthats used for betas upstream afaik16:41
asacthey have:16:41
asac-pref("startup.homepage_override_url","http://www.mozilla.org/projects/%APP%/%VERSION%/whatsnew/");16:41
asacthats definitly wrong16:41
asaci dont think those pages exist16:41
asachmm. seems they exist16:42
asacat lesat for the beta16:42
micahgI got redirected16:42
asacmicahg: so mostly its APP16:43
asacbut also some mozilla.org -> mozilla.com16:43
micahgto /%LOCALE%/%APP%/%VERSION%/16:43
asaci dont know why those16:43
micahgshould I see if there's an upstream bug?16:43
asacno16:43
asacabout what?16:43
micahgabout the URLs being wrong16:43
asacthe problem is that we want to define "Name=Firefox-3.6"16:44
asacbut use "firefox" in the urls16:44
micahgbut Name == %APP%?16:44
asacyes. thats where it needs more flexibility16:44
micahgok16:44
asaci think at least16:44
micahgso maybe I can make a patch for that16:44
asacor upstream improving their redirects ;)16:45
micahgBTW, I think 3.7 daily will break tomorrow16:45
micahgjust a hunch16:45
micahgoh16:47
micahgmaybe not16:47
micahgasac: is it going to cause any problems to remove gio from libxul-sdk?16:48
asacmicahg: too many depends on trunk?16:49
micahgsorry, not remove, but not build16:50
micahgmozilla bug 51267116:50
ubottuMozilla bug 512671 in Build Config "libnkgnomevfs is built with Firefox in libxul-sdk builds" [Minor,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51267116:50
micahggot notified by that handy linux.distro alias :)16:51
asaci dont think its a problem for us during build16:56
asaci actually thought it was better now on trunk16:57
asacbzXXX_libxul_sdk_nspr.patch16:58
asacthats the patch we have16:58
asacfor that16:58
asaci really think it might be fixed16:59
asaci did a libxul-sdk build recently with just that and it was really quick16:59
asacwould have to check again of cours16:59
asace16:59
ftahttp://launchpadlibrarian.net/31907168/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-lpia.firefox-3.7_3.7~a1~hg20090916r32531%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz18:39
[reed]fta: mozilla bug 51267118:51
ubottuMozilla bug 512671 in Build Config "libnkgnomevfs is built with Firefox in libxul-sdk builds" [Minor,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51267118:51
ftai know18:52
mac_vasac: regarding the wpa supplicant , changing this > WPA_SUP_OPTIONS="-s -B -P   > to > WPA_SUP_OPTIONS="-f -B -P < is sufficient or do i need to do something else?18:53
mac_vor rather> WPA_SUP_OPTIONS="-f /var/log/wpa.log -B -P18:57
asacmac_v: i would think it involves changing /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/fi.epitest.hostap.WPASupplicant.service ... e.g. removing -g19:18
asacwe need a /etc/default/... mechanism for dbus service files imo19:18
mac_vasac: "removing -g" ? the exec seems to not have any such options?  this is how its running >    /sbin/wpa_supplicant -u -s19:27
mac_vor did you mean "removing -s" ?19:29
BUGabundoolá21:25
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BUGabundoback21:47
BUGabundodarn NM :(21:47
asacBUGabundo: whats upo?23:22
BUGabundo3G stuck after hibernate / resume23:22
asacmac_v: /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/fi.epitest.hostap.WPASupplicant.service looked at that command23:22
asacit had a -g for me23:22
asacerr -d ;)23:22
asacwhich means debug output23:22
asacBUGabundo: huawei?23:23
BUGabundoyep23:23
asacwhat --debug log do you get with modemmanager?23:23
BUGabundoI'll need to get it23:23
mac_vasac: the "s" is the setting for the log to be logged in the syslog , the man says use "f" for custom location23:24
mac_vi dont have a debug though ;)23:25
asacmac_v: -d means: more verbose output23:25
asacif you have that ... just remove it and leave the rest alone ;)23:26
mac_vah ,pls no ;p23:26
asac-d     Increase debugging verbosity (-dd even more).23:26
asacso removing it is probably enough to stop supp doing the scan results23:26
asacthe rest that comes out is probably ok i nsyslog23:27
mac_vhmm... ok , i'll leave it alone for now , you seem to be giving me more options to increase the log ;p23:27
mac_vhehe23:27
asacmac_v: no23:27
asaci am saying if there is -d ... remove it23:27
asacto not get more log output23:27
asacto get less23:27
mac_vyeah , i was just kidding ;)23:27
asackk23:28
mac_vi didnt know about the -dd  ;)23:28
asacyeah23:28
asacwe had -dd before23:28
asacby default :-Ü23:28
mac_vah 0.023:28
asaci kindly reduced that to -d at some point ;)23:28
mac_vwhy isnt it being sent to its own log?23:29
mac_vlike udev23:29
mac_vor auth23:31
fta*sigh23:31
fta*23:31
mac_v:/23:41
asaci dont see a reason not to put it to syslog23:42
asacyou usually want all important info at one place23:42
asacat least for system stuff ;)23:42
ftaasac, http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=18113  what do you think?23:56

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