[09:40] <ara> davmor2, hello :)
[09:40] <davmor2> ara: Morning
[09:40] <ara> davmor2, do you happen to know when are the alpha 6 images starting to appear in the tracker?
[09:40] <davmor2> ara: now
[09:40] <ara> davmor2, ok
[09:41] <ara> davmor2, they are there
[09:41] <ara> davmor2, I just pressed F5 ;-)
[09:41] <davmor2> ara: only ubuntu desktop for now
[09:41] <ara> davmor2, ok
[09:41]  * ara takes alt i386 full disk
[09:42] <davmor2> they are slowly trickling through although there will be a massive respin of al the alternatives
[09:42] <davmor2> ara: ^
[09:42] <ara> then I'll take the live cd ;-)
[09:43] <ara> what bug do the alts have?
[09:43] <davmor2> d-i needs a fix
[09:56] <davmor2> ara: I'm assuming that slangasek is leaving the alternates on as a smoketest for us ;)
[09:56] <slangasek> yes
[09:57] <slangasek> d-i doesn't have any particular bug that I know of, it's just getting synced up with the kernel - it probably installs fine
[10:29]  * ara takes ubuntu desktop i386 full disk
[10:45] <davmor2> ara: did you get live desktop?
[10:45] <ara> davmor2, yes, but the installation did not kick off automatically
[10:46] <davmor2> one up on alternate then :(
[10:47] <jtholmes> davmor2, what iso's are ready
[10:53] <davmor2> check the tracker, but alternates don't seem to have a gui at the moment
[10:54] <jtholmes> davmor2, forgot where tracker is what is url thx
[10:54] <davmor2> iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[11:32] <ara> davmor2, no X when finishing the installation
[11:32] <ara> davmor2, do we have a bug number?
[11:33] <davmor2> ara: your in console correct?
[11:34] <ara> davmor2, my what
[11:34] <davmor2> ara: are you in a terminal?
[11:34] <ara> davmor2, yes
[11:34] <davmor2> is so run ps aux | grep dbus
[11:35] <davmor2> if it isn't running the the bug is 430611
[11:35] <davmor2> then then even
[11:37] <ara> ok, it is not running
[12:26]  * davmor2 quits testing in favour of waiting for some cd's that work :(
[12:37]  * ara -> lunch
[12:52] <asac> hi all ... someone here could please verify bug 398205 on jaunty?
[12:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 398205 in xulrunner-1.9.1 "Geolocation via WLAN doesn't seem to work" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/398205
[12:52] <asac> thx!!
[12:52] <asac> there is a fix in jaunty-proposed that needs a sign off before we can roll out latest ffox 3.5 security updates
[13:04] <davmor2> fader_: I've been waiting for you
[13:04] <davmor2> fader_: Morning everything is broken
[13:05] <davmor2> the end fullstop
[13:05] <fader_> davmor2: You know, I'm starting to hear 'good morning' when you say that :(
[13:06] <fader_> davmor2: Ugh, would this be bug 430611?
[13:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 430611 in dbus "dbus fails to start on clean boot using upstart job" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/430611
[13:32] <davmor2> fader_: yeap
[13:32] <davmor2> happens on live and alternate too yay
[13:33] <fader_> Meh, who needs dbus anyway?
[13:34] <davmor2> fader_: apparently the gui
[13:34] <fader_> Heh
[13:35] <fader_> I feel like I should yell at you kids to get off my lawn and tell stories of when I had a stack of floppy disks and took a whole weekend just to get Slackware to give me a shell prompt with no GUI, and I was happy
[13:37] <davmor2> fader_: I wasn't using Linux back then but I can tell you all about the zx81 where you had to type in basic to get and application if that counts :P
[13:38] <fader_> davmor2: Oh yeah.  I started life on a TRS-80 with the 16k(!) RAM expansion.
[13:46] <fader_> davmor2: Is it a safe assumption that the dbus bug is hitting everything?  I can (finally) test some images if there are any that might work.
[13:46] <davmor2> everything
[13:46] <davmor2> fader_: apart from live desktop
[13:46] <fader_> :(
[13:47] <davmor2> fader_: which is of course how everyone is communicating to fix the dbus issue ;)
[13:47] <fader_> -server doesn't use dbus at all though, does it?
[13:47] <fader_> Heh
[13:48] <davmor2> fader_: try it you could be right :)
[13:49] <davmor2> but then there is a d-i update to be put in before a6 so they'll need re-spining too soon
[13:49] <fader_> Gah
[13:50]  * fader_ stops his download.
[13:50] <davmor2> fader_: on a plus side pitti is now on the case with my ati bug from a couple of weeks ago :)
[13:50] <davmor2> but only cause it has happen to him too :)
[13:50] <fader_> Heh, dragging out the big guns
[13:50] <fader_> Ahhh, I see.  Here I thought maybe you had some dirt on him or something.
[13:51] <davmor2> it turns out its compiz which is why everything else installs fine :)
[13:56] <davmor2> fader_: want to have a laugh download http://www.davmor2.co.uk/speed.avi
[13:57] <davmor2> tiz quite amuzing seeing a clock go that fast :)
[13:57] <davmor2> a bit of a concern aswell
[13:59] <fader_> davmor2: Nice!  You must have a really fast processor.
[13:59] <fader_> I bet it can finish an infinite loop in less than a minute!
[14:00] <davmor2> :)
[14:00] <davmor2> one for the kernel team me thinks
[14:00] <davmor2> it's only happen since yesterday was fine last week
[14:07] <ara> davmor2, what bug is causing the new update to the debian installer? do you happen to know it?
[14:08] <davmor2> not a bug.  The kernel has been updated and d-i needs to match it.
[14:08] <ara> davmor2, ok, thanks
[14:09] <davmor2> things will work without it but if there is likely to be an re-spin any time soon it just seems pointless.
[14:11] <fader_> davmor2: Do you know if there is definitely going to be a respin before A6 for -server?
[14:16] <davmor2> fader_:  across the board (14:14:49) cjwatson: there is no conceivable hope of the current images being alpha 6
[14:16] <fader_> davmor2: Gotcha.  Thanks.
[14:16] <fader_> It's gonna be a long evening I think. :)
[14:17] <davmor2> tomorrow will be fun though right
[14:20] <fader_> Heheh
[14:20] <fader_> Tomorrow I get to test bundles of hardware with the real A6 image, so I'll get to do it all over again :)
[14:23] <ara> This evening looks promising...
[14:24] <davmor2> ara: you must be looking out the window and not at your computer ;)
[14:25] <ara> davmor2, I should, if I want to stay sane
[14:25] <fader_> Heh
[14:29] <davmor2> ara: your on the testing team for Ubuntu that means you have already forsaken your sanity.  It's a pre-requisite :)
[14:32] <fader_> davmor2: What makes this really weird is that ara and I don't even exist -- you've been testing for so long that you've gone way around the bend and imagined us.
[14:34] <davmor2> fader_: I don't believe you and I can't lose the argument if I imagine you as I control what you say HA!
[14:34] <fader_> :P
[15:19] <fader_> Just got a notification from the ISO tracker that mythbuntu is up and ready... might as well see if it boots :)
[15:20] <davmor2> deja vu
[15:54] <jtatum> ara: is there a testing meeting today? didn't see an email on the list
[15:55] <ara> jtatum, well, there should be, but nobody added topics to the agenda
[15:56] <ara> jtatum, if you don't need to discuss anything, maybe we can skip this one
[15:56] <ara> jtatum, do you think that biweekly is better?
[15:56] <jtatum> ara: ok :) yes, things seem quiet this past week. skipping sounds fine with me.
[15:57] <jtatum> ara: hmm... perhaps it would? Do you think it would improve attendance or just make the agenda more substantial?
[15:57] <ara> jtatum, it might be both... or none, we have always to test things ;-)
[15:58] <ara> jtatum, I will send an email to the list about it (and announcing the lack of meeting this week)
[15:58] <jtatum> ara: great :) thank you
[16:47] <davmor2> ogasawara: morning I found an issue yesterday with the system doubling in speed since the new kernel went in I've video'd it now you can down load it a http://www.davmor2.co.uk/speed.avi  What can I get information wise to make a sensible bug out of it for you guys?
[16:49] <ogasawara> davmor2: most useful bit will be to narrow down as closely as possible between which two kernels the regression was introduced
[16:51] <ogasawara> davmor2: if you can let me know the bug # too that'll be good (also tag it regression-potential)
[16:51] <ogasawara> davmor2: I can then try and see what patches went in and we can try to build some test kernels to bisect further
[16:54] <davmor2> ogasawara: it didn't happen last week Monday or Tuesday or during alpha 5 testing the week before
[16:55] <davmor2> ogasawara: once we get working iso's I'll try it again in case it was just one of the many issues currently that was effecting it.
[16:55] <davmor2> but definitely post alpha 5
[16:57] <fader_> davmor2: Just to confirm, mythbuntu has the dbus issue :(  No surprise, but still sad.
[16:58] <ogasawara> davmor2: ok, let me know after the latest batch of testing.  I'll look and see which kernels were in play during Alpha 5.
[16:59] <davmor2> fader_: I think someone did a respin to get there armel system on the tracker and it wiped out some of the other reports
[16:59] <fader_> Ah, that would explain it
[16:59] <fader_> davmor2: Do you know if anyone had reported that the 'Install Mythbuntu' option didn't actually launch Ubiquity but just went to the normal live environment?
[17:00] <Daviey> erk
[17:00] <fader_> I don't see it from a cursory search but you're more likely to know offhand
[17:00] <davmor2> ubuntu alternate was the same my this failed report got knocked off
[17:00] <davmor2> fader_: ara did it's across the live cds
[17:00] <davmor2> ara: what was the bug number for that?
[17:00] <fader_> davmor2: That would explain why I didn't find it, since I was looking for mythbuntu specifically :)
[17:01] <fader_> Is it even worth linking these bugs against the images on the tracker knowing they're going to be respun anyway?
[17:01] <davmor2> yes go on be a devil ;)
[17:01] <fader_> Hehe
[17:02] <davmor2> fader_: Bug 430607
[17:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 430607 in ubiquity "Selecting "Installing Ubuntu" starts the Live CD, but not Ubiquity (needs conversion to Upstart)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/430607
[17:03] <davmor2> fader_: ^ does that sound familiar
[17:04] <fader_> davmor2: That's the one
[17:49] <ara> hey guys, I have been off about 20 minutes, any updates?
[17:58] <davmor2> ara: everything is still brokne
[17:58] <davmor2> broken even
[17:58] <ara> Ubuntu QA meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 2mins
[19:09] <davmor2> Kubuntu alt images are up
[19:36] <sivang> anybody had luck using 4500M HD from intel with latest ubuntu stable ?
[19:36] <sivang> I'm trying to understand if this is a worthwhile purchase
[19:37] <fader_> sivang: You might have better luck asking in #ubuntu; this channel is mostly devoted to testing updates and the next release
[19:38] <sivang> ah I see, the folks in ubuntu didn't help so far,
[19:39] <sivang> besides for referecing me to the hardware testing wiki which those cards are not listed
[19:39] <sivang> :(
[19:40]  * davmor2 is testing  kubuntu alt 64, alt 32 and live 32
[19:40] <fader_> sivang: :(
[19:41] <fader_> sivang: I'm assuming that's a video card?  If so, I'd imagine it's supported, as Intel's stuff has pretty good support
[19:41] <davmor2> sivang: try the intel site
[19:41] <sivang> Right, but there are problematic models as I learend while searching though GMA 500
[19:50] <davmor2> sivang: http://ubuntologist.blogspot.com/2009/07/my-intel-4500hd-super-video.html
[19:50] <davmor2> jaunty supports it but it is slowish
[19:54] <sivang> davmor2: using this instructions I get full speed?
[19:54] <sivang> or is it still slowish ?
[19:55] <davmor2> Pass reading it he got better performance But I don't have one so can't tell you
[20:09] <jtholmes> Persistence on kubuntu is not working I followed the instruction on thishttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD/Persistence?action=show&redirect=LiveCDPersistence url
[20:09] <jtholmes> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD/Persistence?action=show&redirect=LiveCDPersistence
[20:10] <jtholmes> Is there something i am missing casper says it is saving the snapshot but nothing ends up on the USB stick which is ext3 any ideas
[20:11] <jtholmes> I have tried the USB stick mounted and unmounted and same results
[20:11] <jtholmes> Persistence is one of the elements of the live cd test procedure
[20:12] <jtholmes> I see where 3 other folks did not show a problem with the Persistence testing and wonder if i am following the wrong instructions for Persistent option
[20:21] <davmor2> ogasawara: bug 430940 it's still happening on the fixed images so nothing to do with that :(
[20:21] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 430940 in linux "On my nvidia box the system is running at double speed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/430940
[20:26] <jtholmes> davmor2, any ideas on my above ^ comments on persistent option
[20:28] <davmor2> jtholmes: you've setup the usb disk first I'm assuming?
[20:29] <jtholmes> davmor2, yes per the https i posted above,  it is 4gb and i made it all ext3 fs
[20:29] <jtholmes> and labeled it  casper-rw
[20:30] <sbeattie> jtholmes: and you're passing 'persistent' on the boot command line?
[20:32] <jtholmes> sbeattie, yes  after the '--'  but i always remove  'quiet and splash' so i can see what is going on
[20:32] <jtholmes> casper usually finds the  Stick but never appears to read it
[20:33] <davmor2> jtholmes: I should just work at that point.
[20:33] <davmor2> it even
[20:34] <jtholmes> davmor2, i am going to try another stick
[20:41] <davmor2> ogasawara: is there anything else missing from that bug that might be useful to you?
[20:58] <sbeattie> jtholmes: hrm, watching the boot output on kubuntu-amd64-live with persistent enabled, I got a warning about being unable to find the persistent storage; that's with the 20090916.1 build.
[21:00] <davmor2> sbeattie: and you wrote a bug immediately right  /me ducks behind the couch
[21:00]  * sbeattie is waiting for the 20090916.2 builds to finish downloading.
[21:00]  * davmor2 is just test wubi on it now to see if it is fix-ed
[21:07] <sbeattie> jtholmes: hrm, okay, I see the same warning with the ubuntu live cd, but I do get a persistent home (fs is labeled with home-rw)
[21:08] <fader_> Is 20090916.2 the latest and greatest for -studio or is it still needing respun?
[21:10] <davmor2> fader_: as I understand it kubuntu is safe to test
[21:11] <fader_> davmor2: Thanks.  I'll see if I can get it slurped down before you crazy kids finish all the test cases ;)
[21:12] <ogasawara> davmor2: hi, I posted a comment to the bug.  basically I want to start by confirming the 2.6.31-8.28 kernel restores the system to "normal" speed.
[21:13] <ogasawara> davmor2: there were a few rebases with upstream since that kernel so we'll need to do a few bisects to try to narrow it down
[21:14] <davmor2> ogasawara: Okay I'm going to need that kinda involvement till after a6 is out of the door.  So can we do it on Friday.
[21:15] <ogasawara> davmor2: works for me
[21:15] <davmor2> ogasawara: cool I can spend all day on it then
[21:20] <sbeattie> jtholmes: were you able to get kubuntu's live cd to accept at all? I'm just stuck sitting at a kdm prompt, and it won't take any input at all.
[21:26] <jtholmes> sbeattie, yes i did today but yesterday when that happened i opened console (F2) and su'd and killall kdm and then kde came up ok, interesting
[21:28] <jtholmes> sbeattie, sorry I did not see above posts ^ answered wrong question
[21:29] <jtholmes> sbeattie, no i did not get any home-rw or anything else I get an error when shutting down ata.1 ... exception ...
[21:29] <jtholmes> sbeattie, so i dont think that casper is capable of writing to  casper-rw
[21:29] <sbeattie> I'm not even getting ctl-alt-F2 to give me a tty under kubuntu.
[21:30] <sbeattie> that's with the 20090916.2 build.
[21:30] <fader_> davmor2: have you seen bug 430940 only on nvidia systems or is it that you've only tested it on an nvidia system?
[21:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 430940 in linux "On my nvidia box the system is running at double speed" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/430940
[21:30] <jtholmes> sbeattie, i also had that problem at one time then on another boot of live cd i was able to get ctrl+alt +FN and get a console window
[21:31] <davmor2> fader_: only on the nvidia system
[21:31] <fader_> Weird
[21:31] <jtholmes> sbeattie, i have the 20090916 no dots after it that was early AM today
[21:35] <davmor2> fader_: I know it could be the nvidia gfx card or the amd dual core or .............
[21:35] <sbeattie> yeah, that appears to be gone from cdimages.
[21:35] <fader_> davmor2: Does it happen in the live environment as well?
[21:36] <davmor2> fader_: yeap
[21:43] <ara> hey guys, which images are safe to test?
[21:43] <davmor2> ara: kubuntu but not wubi again
[21:44] <ara> davmor2, all of the ubuntu still broken?
[21:44] <davmor2> yeap 3 hours-ish
[21:44] <ara> ok, I will sync kubuntu then, thanks! davmor2
[21:47] <davmor2> ara np
[21:55]  * fader_ starts kubuntu amd64 expert
[22:19]  * fader_ sighs.
[22:19] <fader_> Right.  The default disk image isn't big enough for that.  Starting again.
[23:09] <fader_> davmor2: kubuntu alternate seems to be working, huzzah!
[23:10] <fader_> Well, except that I ran out of space again.  But the install worked. :)
[23:11] <davmor2> fader_: how much space do you allow?
[23:11] <davmor2> 512 meg
[23:11] <fader_> Heh
[23:11] <davmor2> live is broken
[23:11] <fader_> I left it at the defaults.  On an 8G drive it allocated 2.2G for / and 4.something for /home :/
[23:12] <fader_> I was hoping you or someone else with a bigger drive could tell me if it still defaults to something too small
[23:13] <fader_> I'm going to run through another test case and make sure that it installs correctly, and then maybe report a bug about the partitioner
[23:14] <davmor2> what about swap
[23:14] <fader_> It got 1G
[23:16] <davmor2> 2.2 G is more than enough so it should be fine
[23:17] <fader_> Hmm, I'll be interested to see the usage from a full install on one partition
[23:17] <fader_> Doing the encrypted install now
[23:40] <fader_> Used 2.3G on the install