| ace_suares1 | LaserJock: oh oh | 00:24 |
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| ace_suares1 | so the build failed ? | 00:24 |
| Ahmuck | LaserJock: seen the e-mail ? | 00:44 |
| Ahmuck | http://schooltool.org/ | 00:44 |
| Ahmuck | people want edu software admin/classroom side | 00:45 |
| Ahmuck | LaserJock: :-o , to large to fit on a DVD?! | 00:45 |
| * Ahmuck wondered about that myself | 00:45 | |
| Ahmuck_ | LaserJock: you have any MOTU on board edubuntu that can do packaging for edubuntu? | 01:36 |
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| Ahmuck-Sr | http://ichi2.net/anki/ - has a *.deb but would be nice to have it included. not sure if the deb is MOTU approved | 01:42 |
| LaserJock | ace_suares1: the build succeeded but the .iso is to big to burn | 02:30 |
| LaserJock | ace_suares1: you can use it in a VM though | 02:31 |
| ace_suares1 | cool i'll try yesterday zsync segfaulted! | 02:31 |
| LaserJock | Ahmuck-Sr: stgraber and myself are the only MOTU/Core Devs for Edubuntu | 02:31 |
| LaserJock | Ahmuck-Sr: we've wanted to return schooltool to Edubuntu for a long time | 02:31 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | ubuntu won't lend you a MOTU or two? | 02:32 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | so ur a certified MOTU ? | 02:32 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | LaserJock: ur certifiable? | 02:33 |
| LaserJock | Ahmuck-Sr: heh, I've been a MOTU since 2005 | 02:35 |
| LaserJock | Ahmuck-Sr: Ubuntu doesn't "own" MOTU so they can't lend them to us | 02:36 |
| LaserJock | MOTU are free to work on any package in Universe | 02:36 |
| LaserJock | and Core Devs are free to work (within reason) on any package in Main | 02:37 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | so i take it your mentoring MOTUs now? | 02:38 |
| LaserJock | well, I used to | 02:38 |
| LaserJock | I wrote the Ubuntu Packaging Guide long ago and did a lot of work to try to set up stuff for people to learn to become MOTUs | 02:39 |
| LaserJock | but Edubuntu and my PhD kind of ended that work | 02:39 |
| LaserJock | the problem is it takes roughly 6-12 months to "produce" a MOTU | 02:40 |
| LaserJock | so it's a huge investment with little initial gain | 02:41 |
| LaserJock | if we can get some existing developers to spend time in Edubuntu land we can get work done while investing in the future developer community | 02:42 |
| LaserJock | but organizing existing developers takes a manager with time to devote to coordinating everything | 02:43 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | why does it take 6-12 months to produce MOTU? | 02:44 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | MOTU is just packaging, correct? | 02:44 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | not any chance of creating a packaging tool ? | 02:45 |
| LaserJock | packaging is quite complicated | 02:46 |
| LaserJock | especially in Debian-based systems | 02:46 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | i use checkinstall for my personal system | 02:46 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | it works well | 02:46 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | so that's why i wondered about MOTU | 02:46 |
| LaserJock | I mean, it takes ~ 1000 Debian packagers + ~150 Ubuntu packagers to get Ubuntu out | 02:46 |
| LaserJock | well, checkinstall is *very* rudimentary | 02:47 |
| LaserJock | it doesn't actually build a source package | 02:47 |
| LaserJock | it just fakes a .deb | 02:47 |
| LaserJock | which often can work for single add-on packages | 02:47 |
| LaserJock | but would be a nightmare for building a distro on | 02:47 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | so most DVDs are at least 8G | 02:48 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | and the current is 4G | 02:49 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | so it's ok? | 02:49 |
| LaserJock | no | 02:49 |
| LaserJock | 4.2GB is the limit | 02:49 |
| LaserJock | we're at 4.5 | 02:49 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | ah | 02:49 |
| LaserJock | and we *should* be < 2GB IMO | 02:49 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | so ur back to two dvd's | 02:49 |
| LaserJock | the problem is that we're doing everything twice | 02:49 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | ?? | 02:49 |
| LaserJock | there are two parts to a DVD | 02:50 |
| LaserJock | the Live session | 02:50 |
| LaserJock | and the debian-installer .deb pool | 02:50 |
| LaserJock | so you can either do a graphical or text-based installation | 02:50 |
| LaserJock | they way our DVD is set up now, everything is in both | 02:50 |
| LaserJock | *and* there's way more in the text-based side than we need | 02:51 |
| LaserJock | like basically we have Ubuntu Server CD + Ubuntu Alternate CD + Ubuntu Desktop CD + Edubuntu Addon CD | 02:52 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | understandable | 02:52 |
| LaserJock | plus all the language packs | 02:52 |
| * Ahmuck-Sr is trying really hard not to get sucked into full edubuntu participation | 02:57 | |
| pleia2 | Ahmuck-Sr: why? you should :) | 02:57 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | hi pleia2 | 02:57 |
| pleia2 | hey | 02:58 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | well, it would mean commiting a big chunk of my time to study | 02:58 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | just to get from point a to b | 02:58 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | and i'd have to dust off my C++ books, and then learn python, etc. | 02:58 |
| LaserJock | you wouldn't need to learn much of that to begin with | 02:59 |
| LaserJock | when I started all I knew was ./configure && make && make install | 02:59 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | well, that's fairly simple | 02:59 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | i can read and udnerstand it to some degree, but can't write worth anything | 02:59 |
| LaserJock | a lot of what we need are people to work *in* the bug tracker, not necessarily on the bugs themselves | 02:59 |
| LaserJock | yeah, reading and understanding is good | 03:00 |
| LaserJock | I rarely write patches myself | 03:00 |
| LaserJock | we mostly need to communicate with Debian and upstreams about bugs | 03:00 |
| LaserJock | find the bugs that are just packaging issues, fix those, and forward the rest on | 03:00 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | i've worked with bug trackers before, however you need to assign bugs and if there is noone to assign to ... | 03:03 |
| LaserJock | right | 03:04 |
| LaserJock | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~edubuntu-bugs/+packagebugs is where our bug list is | 03:04 |
| LaserJock | 291 open and 264 not assigned | 03:04 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | the other issue, for example the atomix bug, posted on 20090130 | 03:05 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | no response. could be tested easy enough in 8.10, then i would close it if it worked properly | 03:05 |
| LaserJock | right | 03:06 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/atomix/+bug/323195 - this is the url for edubuntu bugs in the topic | 03:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 323195 in atomix "xutils-dev and atomix fail to install" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 03:06 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | https://bugs.launchpad.net/~edubuntu-bugs/+packagebugs | 03:06 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | er, this one | 03:06 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | not sure what the "edge" is | 03:06 |
| LaserJock | oh, it's the same thing | 03:07 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/denemo/+bug/69829 - this one should be filed with denemo and then closed | 03:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 69829 in denemo "denemo does not react on mouse scrolling" [Wishlist,Incomplete] | 03:08 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/denemo/+bug/248354 - this one is a packaging request | 03:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 248354 in denemo "Denemo version should be updated in Hardy too" [Undecided,New] | 03:09 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | so what is the expiry date for a bug that is incomplete? 3 months, 6 months, ? | 03:10 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | wrote on 2008-09-30: | 03:11 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/edubuntu-addon-meta/+bug/284502 - this one should be closed imho. i suspect the poster has already corrected it. | 03:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 284502 in edubuntu-addon-meta "i cant log into my system" [Undecided,New] | 03:12 |
| LaserJock | Ahmuck-Sr: I gotta run for a bit | 03:13 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | np | 03:13 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | i'm building a some beta debs for my system | 03:14 |
| LaserJock | either ask in #ubuntu-bugs (great place to ask these sorts of questions) or I'll answer when I get back | 03:14 |
| zerothis | I have a weird thing to do. boot without my internal HD plugged in, them mount it. possible? | 04:15 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | zerothis: in ltsp ? | 04:32 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | er, edubuntu | 04:32 |
| zerothis | In terminal, I presume. I booted without the HD plugged in. Then plugged it in (then was told this is bad:( Is there a way to reset/refresh the PCI bus to trigger the recognition internal hard drive. or is this like nuking a gnat, since I only need the hard drive active? | 04:34 |
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| LaserJock | highvoltage: around? | 20:45 |
| LaserJock | anybody out there testing the DVD? | 20:47 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: yes I'm here | 20:49 |
| LaserJock | phew | 20:49 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: I've been testing the i386 DVD, busy syncing amd64 | 20:49 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: rsync says 10 hours remaining, but I think it will come down quite fast | 20:49 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: ok, can you head over to http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/edubuntu/all and put your info in? | 20:49 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: are you rsyncing from i386? | 20:50 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: the education stuff and edubuntut themes are on the live dvd and installs well | 20:50 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: I just ran each program to see that they open fine and they do | 20:50 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: we have about 1 hr before the announcements go out | 20:50 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: obviously there's no time for decent in-depth testing, but we knew from the start that this was going to be roughly a tight release | 20:50 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: for Alpha6 we just need to not have show-stoppers | 20:51 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: yes I am, I copied the i386 and syncing | 20:51 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: ok | 20:51 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: actually, i386 is looking pretty damn good | 20:51 |
| LaserJock | it might take quite a while to sync from i386 | 20:52 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: there's no usplash on bootup, and there are some ugly error messages that are exposed but they seem benign, we might be able to fix that before release | 20:52 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: some screenshots: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jonathan/files/screenshots/edubuntu/karmic-testing/i386/ | 20:52 |
| LaserJock | I saw them | 20:52 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: no usplash or Ubuntu usplash? | 20:52 |
| stgraber | heya highvoltage and LaserJock | 20:52 |
| stgraber | usplash is broken on my regular Ubuntu too | 20:53 |
| stgraber | so probably not edubuntu specific | 20:53 |
| LaserJock | well | 20:53 |
| LaserJock | I thought they removed usplash | 20:53 |
| LaserJock | the idea was to only show usplash for very long boot times | 20:53 |
| LaserJock | otherwise we're supposed to have short enough boot times that it's not needed | 20:54 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: I get an ubuntu themed usplash on shutdown, but just text on startup | 20:55 |
| highvoltage | heya stgraber | 20:55 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: ah, good | 20:55 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I think it might be intentional | 20:55 |
| highvoltage | at least there's not showstoppers for the i386 so far... so... | 20:55 |
| highvoltage | \o/ | 20:56 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: so go tell the ISO tracker :-) | 20:57 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: the "Passed with no bugs" button | 20:57 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: what bugs are they talking about? | 20:58 |
| LaserJock | well | 20:58 |
| LaserJock | technically if you find bugs you're supposed to report them | 20:58 |
| LaserJock | for now I think passed with no bugs should work as we hav eyour email | 20:58 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: i386 is marked. obviously it's not completely bug free :) | 20:58 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: ok. | 20:59 |
| highvoltage | karmic-dvd-amd64.iso 969693277 28% 167.01kB/s 4:02:12 | 21:00 |
| highvoltage | I might even stay up for amd64 | 21:00 |
| highvoltage | but I'm not sure if I'll have it in time | 21:00 |
| highvoltage | (if cut-off time is indeed in an hour) | 21:00 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: that's usually RC bugs, we won't add all of Ubuntu's bugs there | 21:00 |
| stgraber | that's basically bugs during the installation process or caused by it | 21:00 |
| stgraber | I have some work to do on that website for a long long time but for some reason the code has become so ugly that I always find something else to do ;) | 21:01 |
| LaserJock | anybody else have the amd64 .iso? | 21:02 |
| * stgraber doesn't | 21:02 | |
| LaserJock | I have one at home but that doesn't help us now :( | 21:03 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: cool, then for all intents and purposes we have 0 rc bugs for i386 | 21:05 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: don't you have like, super-fast 200mbit insternet or soemthing? :) | 21:06 |
| LaserJock | well, I gotta get back to work | 21:09 |
| LaserJock | but if anybody drops by with amd64 testing issue in the next hour please send them to the ISO tracker | 21:10 |
| highvoltage | 32% | 21:18 |
| highvoltage | hi Michelle_Qimo | 21:32 |
| highvoltage | 35% | 21:34 |
| highvoltage | 40%, seems like amd64 won't be here in time :/ | 21:46 |
| Ahmuck_Sr | any idea if 64 would run in a vm ontop of a 32 bit os ? | 22:11 |
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| LaserJock | so we got 1 .iso out for alpha 6 anyway, \o/ | 23:53 |
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