[00:03] <nixternal> Riddelll: where exactly is the ksplashx stuff you did for kdm?
[00:06] <nixternal> nevermind, found it
[00:56] <ScottK> Is there anything we can do about the PCM problem metioned here: http://www.thedallemagnes.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=246&Itemid=1
[00:56]  * ScottK has run into it before too.
[00:56]  * ScottK bets apachelogger knows how to solve it.
[00:57] <crimsun> in the short term, yes
[00:57] <ScottK> crimsun: What should we do?  I'll take short term.
[00:58] <crimsun> i can land a test build of alsa-utils in the ubuntu-audio-dev that specifically initializes certain codecs' PCM to 77%
[00:58] <ScottK> OK.
[00:58] <crimsun> this is a pretty massive change, though, since it pretty much removes udev's invoking alsa-utils start
[00:58] <ScottK> I see.
[00:59] <crimsun> i'll try to get it together before atlanta linuxfest this saturday
[00:59] <ScottK> What's the small words for someone who isn't into audio explanation?
[00:59] <ScottK> I'm gathering there's a reason we might not want to change this?
[01:05]  * Tonio_ searches for a way to have kdesudo running with root HOME but with the user fonts settings and theme...
[01:05] <Tonio_> it's so ugly right now...
[01:05] <ScottK> Netbook makes an even better flashlight than the cel phone.
[01:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you know of a way to eventually set the fonts and theme on the fly, within env of any other way, and without changing the $HOME ?
[01:07] <Tonio_> ScottK: kdebluetooth available on my ppa
[01:07] <Tonio_> ScottK: no bluetooth device here to test (not even a phone...)
[01:08] <ScottK> I've at least got that.
[01:08] <Tonio_> ScottK: file transfert test woulds be nice
[01:08]  * ScottK was planning on ISO testing tonight.
[01:08] <ScottK> We'll see what I get to.
[01:08] <Tonio_> and hopefully kblueplug could be remove.... those are the 2 tests I'd like to see
[01:11] <Tonio_> ScottK: hum it'll need a setting in kds and kblueplug fixed cause the binary name changed...
[01:11] <Tonio_> appart from that, it seems to have made some progress looking from the UI
[01:11] <ScottK> It's unlikely to have gotten more broken.
[01:11] <Tonio_> ScottK: :)
[01:11] <Tonio_> ScottK: I'm fixing kblueplug right now
[01:12] <Tonio_> and I'll update kds
[01:13] <ScottK> Yeah, but don't upload to the archive now ...
[01:13] <Tonio_> no of course
[01:14] <Tonio_> ScottK: should we activate the obex server by default ?
[01:14] <Tonio_> I tend to say yes
[01:14] <ScottK> What would that affect?
[01:14]  * ScottK knows about zip about bluetooth
[01:14] <Tonio_> ScottK: hum bah you can receive files
[01:14] <ScottK> Ah.  Receiving sounds good
[01:15] <Tonio_> ScottK: but then it asks which folder should be used at first startup
[01:15] <Tonio_> ScottK: which from a livecd perspective is bad :)
[01:15] <Tonio_> then we can eventually set a default folder
[01:15] <ScottK> True.
[01:15] <Tonio_> ScottK: how to do so in a rc file with xdg dirs ?
[01:16] <ScottK> Is there some cdg thing we could use?
[01:16] <ScottK> heh
[01:16] <Tonio_> ScottK: or we set home by default, which sucks
[01:16] <Tonio_> ScottK: or we patch :)
[01:17] <Tonio_> ScottK: the easiest : no obex service
[01:17] <ScottK> For now, yes
[01:17] <Tonio_> the best, Documents as default directory
[01:17] <Tonio_> of Downloads
[01:17] <ScottK> OK
[01:17] <Tonio_> but I don't know how to play with xdg dirs from within a rc file... only envs can match I guess
[01:17] <ScottK> Asking is bad.
[01:18] <Tonio_> well it makes sense to ask when activating the service
[01:19] <Tonio_> and it makes sense to start the service by default
[01:19] <Tonio_> but asking by default is bad :)
[01:19] <crimsun> ScottK: "alsactl store is being called twice during the shutdown sequence, so the zeroed level gets stored on reboot/shutdown and restored on boot"
[01:20] <crimsun> ScottK: unfortunately, without converting the entire initscript to upstart semantics, there's no straightforward way to resolve it
[01:22] <crimsun> ScottK: however, even converting the initscript to upstart semantics won't fix the real issue, which is that the initscript blindly pushes these mixer settings on every audio card. the long-term solution is to populate the alsa-utils init database with specific SSIDs that require mixer level quirks.
[01:22] <crimsun> ScottK: hopefully that's a bit more verbose and understandable.
[01:23] <ScottK> Yep.
[01:23] <ScottK> So how long is 'long term'?
[01:23] <crimsun> Karmic+1
[01:24] <ScottK> OK.
[01:24] <neversfelde> Tonio_: did you test the kde syncml software from playground recently?
[01:24] <ScottK> Thanks.  It'd be nice to have something other than 0 in the meantime.
[01:29] <Tonio_> neversfelde: which one ?
[01:29] <Tonio_> oh yes, it is even packaged on my ppa
[01:29] <Tonio_> neversfelde: not stable afaik
[01:29] <neversfelde> Tonio_: saw it in your PPA, but it was old, last time I had a look
[01:29] <Tonio_> ScottK: kconf_update could do our kdebluetooth trick
[01:30] <Tonio_> neversfelde: hum what's your revision number ?
[01:30] <Tonio_> neversfelde: 1024634. still unstable
[01:31] <neversfelde> Tonio_: I never really tested it, was only interested if there was progress
[01:31]  * neversfelde got a new netbook and cannot sync^^
[02:06] <shtylman> Riddelll: the one where there is no text in the right click menu or the checkboxes...
[02:06] <shtylman> but it only happens when oxygen is the style...
[02:14] <JontheEchidna> oh shiz, Arby deactivated his LP account: https://edge.launchpad.net/~rbirnie-deactivatedaccount
[02:14] <shtylman> why?
[02:14] <shtylman> and who was he?
[02:14] <rgreening> huh? have a bad day maybe? :)
[02:15] <JontheEchidna> ~seen arby
[02:15] <kubotu> Arby was last seen 7 months, 20 days, 8 hours, 27 minutes and 44 seconds ago, quitting IRC (Remote closed the connection)
[02:15] <shtylman> damn
[02:15] <rgreening> hmm...
[02:15] <JontheEchidna> He was a ninja that used to help us to KDE releases, among other things
[02:15] <rgreening> hope we didn't do anything to scare him away
[02:15] <JontheEchidna> actually, him and I started on the same KDE release under apachelogger's tutorage
[02:16] <JontheEchidna> manually updaing some 50-odd kde-l10n-* packages, if I recall
[02:16] <shtylman> why did he stop
[02:16] <shtylman> ?
[02:16] <shtylman> just moved on to other stuff?
[02:16] <JontheEchidna> dunno, I don't think he had a falling out or anything like that
[02:16] <JontheEchidna> perhaps lack of time + moving on to other things, just a bit sad to see him go
[02:16] <shtylman> I see...guess he just found other stuff to do..im sure it happens
[02:18] <shtylman> so...I really dont know about this openoffice bug...
[02:18] <shtylman> and if I will be able to find a fix
[02:18] <shtylman> this is really problematic...
[02:18] <JontheEchidna> on a stupid note, it's now impossible to report bugs from karmic, since the "Report a bug" links redirect to a wiki telling you to use apport-kde, which doesn't work at the moment :/
[02:18] <JontheEchidna> I'd file a bug, but...
[02:18] <shtylman> haha
[02:19] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: its apport-bug you need to run not apport-kde right
[02:19] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: well, using ubuntu-bug, but that ultimately invokes apport-kde which fails to open the browser
[02:20] <JontheEchidna> apport-cli is busted, too
[02:20] <JontheEchidna> I did manage to get a report about that in before the epic fail
[02:21] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: you on karmic and if so, what ver of qt you running?
[02:21] <JontheEchidna> 4.5.2, in karmic
[02:21] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: You can add ?noredirect or something like that to get to LP regurlarly.
[02:21] <rgreening> I tried Riddelll's Qt 4.6.. its busted.
[02:21] <JontheEchidna> heh
[02:22] <rgreening> apport-bug works here for me JontheEchidna
[02:22] <rgreening> as well as /usr/share/apport/apport-kde
[02:23] <JontheEchidna> the thing just doesn't open up konq when I tell it to do it's stuff :(
[02:23] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: filebug?no-redirect
[02:23] <rgreening> ah
[02:23] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: cool, thanks
[02:26] <shtylman> rgreening: is it safe to update system now :)
[02:27] <rgreening> I think so. Im running fine now
[02:27] <ScottK> shtylman: It appears most of the bustage is behind us.  I updated safely earlier today.  I think the major area that's still a problem is encryptfs not mounted to /.
[02:28] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I updated this morning and rebooted fine
[02:28] <shtylman> cool
[02:28] <rgreening> oh and no auto detect usb drives
[02:28] <JontheEchidna> huh, usb devices work here
[02:28]  * JontheEchidna is a lucky boy
[02:28] <rgreening> oh, maybe fix since i checked last
[02:31] <ScottK> JontheEchidna:  Bug #431118
[02:32] <Tonio_> ScottK: for the xdg in rc file thing, I think we can to it with kconf-update
[02:32] <ScottK> Cool.
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: my problem is that apport-kde was broken with an unrelated problem, so now I have no way to report bugs if they come up
[02:33] <JontheEchidna> well, aside from the no-redirect now
[02:34] <ScottK> Right, you'll like the second one I filed.
[02:35] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Bug #431121
[02:35] <JontheEchidna> ooh, yeah. NIce one
[02:35] <JontheEchidna> for example, merge tickets are now a pain in the ass
[02:36] <JontheEchidna> as are package removal requests
[02:36] <JontheEchidna> I suppose I should comment
[02:38] <rgreening> anyone watching ufc fight night on spike :)
[02:38] <ScottK> Yes, please.
[02:53] <shtylman> my amarok doesn't work ;(
[02:54] <shtylman> I launch it...but nothing comes up...
[02:54] <shtylman> is that normal...im guessing not :)
[03:12] <JontheEchidna> whoa, new kbluetooth official beta release. Life!
[03:13] <ScottK> Tonio_: ^^
[03:13] <JontheEchidna> I'll assume the beta tag is due to the current state it's in (and was at 0.3.0) rather than "beta cuz I added new features"
[03:14] <JontheEchidna> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/kbluetooth?content=112110
[03:18] <JontheEchidna> heck, 0.3 was more of an alpha
[03:18] <JontheEchidna> the FFe should consist entirely of "kdebluetooth 0.3 was a steaming pile. kdebluetooth 0.4 doesn't fail quite so hard"
[03:24] <Tonio_> ScottK: nice :)
[03:24] <Tonio_> ScottK: I'll package this one of course, tomorrow :) no time right now
[03:25] <ScottK> Kubuntu desktop and netbook images up for testing http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[03:39]  * JontheEchidna is done
[03:44] <ScottK> Nice new Quassel feature.  If you hover over the topic in the U/I, it auto expands to display the entire topic.
[03:48] <rgreening> nice
[03:50]  * JontheEchidna can't wait for cpp-4.4, version 4.4.4-4ubuntu4
[03:50] <nixternal> Tonio_: I have a working kdm.conf now for upstart
[03:50] <nixternal> just tested it successfully
[03:51] <Tonio_> nixternal: super :)
[03:51] <nixternal> let me paste bin it for you
[03:51] <Tonio_> nixternal: yup, I'll test tomorrow, no way to test right now, but please do
[03:51] <nixternal> found out you can't leave author "", it needs something in it
[03:51] <Tonio_> nixternal: when it's proven to work, we can fix the kdm package for integration...
[03:52] <Tonio_> nixternal: ah ;) that simple :)
[03:52] <nixternal> Tonio_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/272479/
[03:52] <nixternal> though I may have had other typos in that last one
[03:55] <nixternal> Riddelll: finished version 0.0.1 of the kdm upstart script ^^  it is pretty raw as it is pretty much a copy of a lot of kdm and just has the start) portion of the original init script
[04:05] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: hmm they put in the redirect? that makes that apport-kde bug critical imo.
[04:05]  * yuriy should bug pitti to at least put in the simple patch
[04:05]  * nixternal needs a cookie
[04:06]  * nixternal goes and grabs some cookies and milk
[04:11] <ScottK> \o/ - Netbook Live CD works and there's Install-Kubuntu right there in the applications favorites.
[04:35] <Tonio_> nixternal: hum, testing the boot, I was wondering, is usplash broken for everyone or is that juste me ?
[04:35] <nixternal> broken here too, it isn't usplash anymore
[04:35] <nixternal> xsplash or splashx or whatever the hell it is called now
[04:35] <yuriy> they may have disabled it. that's the plan for karmic+1 anyways
[04:36] <yuriy> start X with xsplash asap and no usplash
[04:39] <Tonio_> nixternal: is xsplash replacing usplash ?
[04:40] <nixternal> already has
[04:40] <Tonio_> I thought it was meant to make the transition between usplash and gdm/kdm only
[04:40] <Tonio_> okay
[04:40] <JontheEchidna> The plan is here in full: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicXsplash
[04:41] <Tonio_> nixternal: well all metapackage still dep on usplash afaics
[04:41] <JontheEchidna> usplash is used as a fallback, and for disk checks, etc
[04:42] <Tonio_> hum okay
[04:44] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: would be nice if that happens :)
[04:45] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: this means we're not gonna use xplash right, but ksplash directly.... interesting :)
[04:45] <JontheEchidna> ya, Riddell already got kdm to start ksplashx the first thing it does
[04:45] <JontheEchidna> now we just need to start kdm first thing, I guess
[04:46] <Tonio_> this means ksplashn then login propt, then ksplash right ?
[04:46] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, maybe a custom theme later so it looks less redundant
[04:46] <Tonio_> right
[04:47] <Tonio_> so when a chkdsc occurs, we fallback to usplash....
[04:47] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: that might look ugly, unless I'm wrong on purpose...
[04:48] <JontheEchidna> yeah, not too pretty at all :(
[04:49] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I think I'd prefer a shell fallback in this case :)
[04:50] <JontheEchidna> oh, and usplash is used for shutdown
[04:51]  * ScottK-netbook waves
[04:53] <Tonio_> ScottK-desktop: have you ben able to test kdebluetooth a little ?
[04:58] <nixternal> Tonio_: what do you need to know about kdebluetooth?
[04:59] <nixternal> i find it useless right now because all it is good for is input devices
[05:06] <Tonio_> nixternal: new version on my ppa for tests, should fix the basic functionnalities at least
[05:08] <ScottK> Tonio_: No.  Got stuck doing some $WORK, testing ISO installs, and dealing with a 6 year old that woke up after have had a 'accident' in her bed.
[05:13] <Tonio_> kk
[05:13] <Tonio_> ScottK: nevermind that was just a question :)
[05:14] <ScottK> Looks like the netbook install works.
[05:40] <ScottK> claydoh: You doing release notes for Alpha 6?
[05:45] <nixternal> hrmm, I am building a package and the damn .cpp files get deleted before they can get used...this is driving me silly trying to figure this one out...anyone seen this before?
[05:55] <rgreening> dam this usb not detecting. tried a new guest account and same issue...
[06:04] <ScottK> Come on folks ...
[06:04]  * ScottK notes the complete lack of test results he didn't do in http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all and goes to bed.
[06:04] <spstarr>  is there a PPA for kernel? or nightly builds?
[06:05] <spstarr> is dead
[08:42] <markey> moin
[08:43] <markey> is it safe to upgrade on karmic again?
[11:03] <ghostcube> hi
[11:13] <Riddelll> time to test from ISOs people!
[11:32] <ScottK> markey: It should be unless you have an encryptfs not mounted as /.
[11:33] <ScottK> Riddelll: I think we're in reasonably good shape on Netbook testing.  It'd be nice if someone could try wubi though.  That has yet to work.
[11:53] <davmor2> Riddelll I'm testing just to many bugs to report to go quickly :(
[12:41] <Riddelll> no dbus starting here on a desktop install
[13:57] <JontheEchidna> claydoh: whoa, you're fast
[13:58] <claydoh> JontheEchidna: ?
[13:58] <claydoh> JontheEchidna: oh oops :)
[13:58] <JontheEchidna> :)
[13:59] <claydoh> n ow i need to install karmic and check it out :)
[13:59] <claydoh> which I can do now that I figured out my boot problem yay!
[14:00] <ScottK> claydoh: You doing release notes?
[14:00] <claydoh> ScottK: looking at em right now
[14:00] <ScottK> Excellent.
[14:02] <JontheEchidna> Riddelll: I figured out that you can copy the wiki pages over and keep the attachements if you don't try to make the article first
[14:03] <Riddelll> mm, really?
[14:04] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I just messed things up last time
[14:04] <ScottK> Riddelll and agateau: It looks like there's a good chance I pulled from the wrong quassel branch by accident and the indicator stuff is, not, in fact in our current package. My apologies.  I'll fix it right after Alpha 6 is out.
[14:04] <ScottK> agateau: It does look like we'll need a newer libindicate though.
[14:04] <agateau> ScottK: ok,
[14:05] <agateau> ScottK: I released a new libindicate tarball and uploaded new patches on my page
[14:05] <ScottK> Bug fix release or new features?
[14:05] <agateau> ScottK: haven't checked if Sput has included them yet (pinged him on irc yesterday)
[14:06] <agateau> ScottK: my mistake: I uploaded a new libindicate-*qt* yesterday
[14:06] <ScottK> IIRC he did merge your updates which is why I was thinking we needed the newer one.
[14:06] <ScottK> Yeah.
[14:06] <agateau> this one builds with latest libindicate (0.2.0)
[14:06] <ScottK> OK.
[14:06] <JontheEchidna> haha: http://feeds.wordpress.com/1.0/gocomments/castrojo.wordpress.com/584/
[14:06] <ScottK> Is it just bug fixes?
[14:06] <JontheEchidna> er, not haha at the comments, but at the blog itself
[14:07] <agateau> ScottK: mainly, but libindicate 0.2.0 is the so-called v2 api, so it's also adapting to libindicate changes
[14:07] <agateau> ScottK: but this does not bring launchers with it
[14:07] <agateau> I have been told launchers is a feature implemented in the ui,
[14:07] <agateau> so as long as it's not in the plasmoid, you are safe :)
[14:08] <ScottK> OK, then we should probably let Riddelll upload it.
[14:08] <agateau> yep, Riddell told me he would do this after alpha6
[15:19] <rgreening> nixternal: apport-kde is severely broken
[15:20] <rgreening> can't use ubuntu-bug at all to report the fact that apport-kde is broken either :)
[15:20] <rgreening> haha
[15:21] <yuriy> rgreening: fix pyqt ;)
[15:22] <rgreening> pyqt works.. afaik for me...
[15:22] <rgreening> with Qt 4.5.2
[15:22] <yuriy> rgreening: or maybe qt. bug 403361
[15:23] <rgreening> yuriy: I'm not seeing a crash. It's hung
[15:23] <yuriy> rgreening: the hang is because of a workaround for the crash
[15:23] <rgreening> how stupid hahah
[15:23]  * rgreening hates myself today
[15:30] <yuriy> d'oh. overwrote my modified apport-kde
[15:43] <rgreening> would you believe Im installing ubuntu-desktop to see if usb mounting works there.. grr...
[15:44] <rgreening> stoopid system breakage
[15:46] <neversfelde> new kdebluetooth beta release, too late for us :/
[15:50] <sebas> It's beta anyways
[15:50]  * sebas notes that beta means "it's not ready, don't release it"
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> heck, 0.3 could probably be called an alpha
[15:51] <neversfelde> I will create a package, probably we can put it to the backports beta ppa
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> Tonio has packages for a svn version close to beta in his ppa
[15:54] <neversfelde> mhh, as far as I understood, kdebluetooth is dead and kbluetooth is a new project which has other priorities. Based on kdebluetooth ofcourse.
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> well, it's not really new at all. Just a name change (kbluetooth4 -> kbluetooth) with a new maintainer
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> plus a heap of bugfixes
[15:57] <yuriy> rgreening: bugged pitti. partial fix for apport-kde going into next upload.
[15:57] <rgreening> cool
[15:57] <rgreening> then maybe I can report some bugs without using apport-gtk :)
[15:57] <rgreening> haha
[16:00] <rgreening> ok, time to logout and start a gdm session.. yuk
[16:23] <jefferai> Riddelll: who do I talk to about freeze exceptions?
[16:28] <Riddelll> jefferai: moi
[16:30] <seele> anyone going to be in paris or london next week and want to meet for beer/food?
[16:32] <Riddelll> next week? that must mean the big day is soon
[16:33] <seele> saturday
[16:34] <jefferai> Riddelll: hey
[16:35] <Riddelll> hi jefferai
[16:35] <jefferai> Yo
[16:35] <jefferai> are you aware of the recent taglib-1.6 release?
[16:35] <Riddelll> I've heard rumours of its existance
[16:35] <Riddelll> apachelogger was muttering about it
[16:36] <jefferai> yeah
[16:36] <jefferai> it would be very, very good for it to be in karmic
[16:36] <jefferai> both for Amarok, and for anything else using taglib
[16:36] <jefferai> because there are about a bazillion bugfixes -- some critical -- since 1.5
[16:36] <jefferai> (by critical I mean, fixing possibilities of data loss)
[16:37] <Riddelll> are there new dependencies?
[16:37] <jefferai> new
[16:37] <jefferai> er
[16:37] <jefferai> no
[16:37] <jefferai> just bugfixes
[16:37] <jefferai> so essentially, we'd like the amarok exception to cover amarok, taglib, and the about-to-be-released new version of taglib-extras
[16:38] <Riddelll> does it change the ABI at all?
[16:38] <jefferai> well
[16:38] <jefferai> it's complicated
[16:38] <jefferai> taglib-1.6 offers support for two new formats, which are off by default but which should definitely be built in, because Amarok will require them
[16:38] <Riddelll> uh oh
[16:38] <jefferai> these formats are ported over from taglib-extras
[16:39] <jefferai> or to be more precise, it's the exact same code, but taglib-extras was providing it until taglib itself was released with it
[16:39] <jefferai> I'm not sure how that affects ABI though
[16:40] <jefferai> adding more stuff in
[16:40] <jefferai> the taglib-extras ABI will definitely change, but the only package using that right now is Amarok (someone did a dependency check)
[16:40] <Riddelll> somebody failed, juk uses taglib-extras too
[16:41] <jefferai> I can fix juk
[16:41] <Riddelll> when is taglib-extras due to be released?
[16:42] <jefferai> ASAP
[16:42] <jefferai> I'm testing it out now
[16:42] <jefferai> but, I'd have to change the Amarok source code to work with the new release
[16:42] <jefferai> so basically -- either we need to hold off on the whole thing, or you need to put all three packages in
[16:42] <jefferai> the latter is far preferable
[16:42] <Riddelll> if I open a bug can you supply a full changelog and rationale why this is important?
[16:43] <jefferai> full changelog of what?
[16:43] <Riddelll> taglib and taglib-extras
[16:43] <jefferai> I don't think taglib has a changelog
[16:43] <jefferai> taglib-extras I could
[16:43] <jefferai> although it's tiny
[16:45] <Riddelll> why doesn't it have a changelog?  hard to assess the problems for a freeze exception without knowing what's changed in it
[16:46] <jefferai> Ask wheels?
[16:46] <jefferai> looks like there is a brief, totally non-complete changelog
[16:47] <jefferai> in the NEWS file
[16:47] <jefferai> has some stuff for 1.6-RC1 and 1.6
[16:50] <Riddelll> hmm, wheels, tsk
[16:51] <jefferai> Riddelll: but to give you an idea: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdesupport/taglib/NEWS?revision=1022849&view=markup
[16:52] <jjesse> how many llls do you need Riddelll?
[16:52] <jefferai> that's a small taste of the number of fixes/changes
[16:52] <Riddelll> jjesse: one more than the other imposter Riddell
[16:53] <Riddelll> jefferai: that looks like a reasonable changelog
[16:53] <jefferai> it's just not exhaustive
[16:55] <jefferai> Riddelll: juk doesn't use taglib-extras...
[16:56] <Riddelll> jefferai: http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/juk says differently
[16:57] <jefferai> Riddelll: if it's using taglib-extras it's some debian/ubuntu specific patch
[16:57] <jefferai> because I'm looking at the Juk source code right now
[16:58] <jefferai> I have a feeling that someone put the dep in there without realizing that you have to code it
[16:58] <jefferai> it doesn't just add the extra file formats for free
[16:58] <jefferai> but that dep is wrong
[16:58] <jefferai> the source code doesn't lie
[17:01] <Riddelll> the dep is a binary dep and added by scanning the binary for what libraries it needs
[17:02] <Riddelll> jefferai: you're right
[17:02] <Riddelll> we do have a patch
[17:02] <Riddelll> "  * Add kubuntu_06_juk_read_mp4.diff to make juk read MP4 tags  -- Harald Sitter"
[17:03] <jefferai> where can I see that patch?
[17:03] <jefferai> it's possible you wont' need to change anything at all
[17:05] <Riddelll> jefferai: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdemultimedia/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_06_juk_read_mp4.diff
[17:06] <jefferai> Riddelll: the patch would have to be changed, but not much
[17:06] <jefferai> in fact, mainly you'll just have to remove 80% of it
[17:07] <jefferai> since taglib has mp4 natively, all the checks for taglib-extras can go away
[17:07] <jefferai> (so long as you built taglib with mp4, which you should)
[17:07] <jefferai> so -- other than an ubuntu-specific patch, the only other package using taglib-extras is Amarok, which I can fix up
[17:08] <Riddelll> what would happen if we just dropped that patch?
[17:10] <Riddelll> jefferai: is there any reason we wouldn't build with MP4 support?  it wouldn't need any extra build-depends would it?
[17:13] <jefferai> Nope
[17:13] <jefferai> only "legal" reasons
[17:13] <jefferai> I'm not sure what they are
[17:13] <jefferai> only that fedora legal reversed their opinion and now think it's ok
[17:13] <jefferai> I think because the patents only cover the codecs
[17:13] <jefferai> not the metadata
[17:13] <Riddelll> right, shouldn't be any patent issues with it
[17:14] <jefferai> Riddelll: if you just dropped the patch JuK wouldn't support mp4 files...you could do that, but you could also easily fix the patch to keep the support, but just use it from taglib instead
[17:14] <Riddelll> jefferai: could you file a bug requesting the feature freeze exception giving a ratonale and pasting whatever changelogs there are https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/taglib/+filebug?no-redirect
[17:14] <Riddelll> (if I file it I can't then go approving it)
[17:14] <jefferai> interesting
[17:14] <jefferai> launchpad provides openids
[17:14] <jefferai> but doesn't let you log in with them
[17:15] <Riddelll> the sign of a self important site, google and yahoo are the same I believe
[17:15] <jefferai> heh
[17:15] <jefferai> yeah
[17:23] <jefferai> Riddelll: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/taglib/+bug/431968
[17:29] <claydoh> does the netbook installer have the install icon on the desktop now?
[17:30] <ScottK> claydoh: Yes.
[17:30] <claydoh> ScottK: thanks
[17:31] <nixternal> rgreening: I am unable to work on apport let alone look at it...I am stuck in "Upstart broke my shit" itis :)
[17:32] <jjesse> nixternal still?
[17:32] <nixternal> I am unable to work on pretty much anything...the keyboard on this netbook is ok to chat with you, but don't expect me to do work :p
[17:32] <nixternal> jjesse: worse today...at least yesterday I was able to work around stuff
[17:32] <nixternal> I don't want to reformat/reinstall, as that is the MS way of fixing shit
[17:32] <nixternal> but I am getting close to having no other choice right now, as I have a job I have to get done ASAP
[17:33] <yuriy> strange, installed all updates today and no more problems
[17:36] <ejat> yuriy: me too .. but my splash wont show up :(
[17:37] <nixternal> yuriy: I take it you don't have encrypted disks?
[17:40] <rgreening> my usb sticks wont detect :(
[17:40] <rgreening> under gnome or kde
[17:40] <rgreening> so it's udev related or something
[17:41] <ScottK> Anyone still got Hardy?
[17:44] <jefferai> argh
[17:44]  * jefferai kicks anonsvn
[17:44] <claydoh> ScottK: only in a vm
[17:45] <ScottK> I need to update the qt4-x11 backport due to a security issue and I'd appreciate some testing ...
[17:45] <ScottK> With luck, I
[17:45] <ScottK> will have it in my ppa soonish.
[17:47] <claydoh> hmmm if haiku had wireless, I might not be using kubuntu exclusively
[17:47]  * claydoh is a beos fanboi
[17:51] <nixternal> man, I used to love beos
[17:51] <nixternal> i remember the first time I installed it, i felt so elite back then...hardly anything worked way back then, but it was cool
[17:51] <jefferai> Riddelll: any idea when I'll know the status?
[17:52] <Riddelll> jefferai: hopefully alpha 6 will be out the way tomorrow and we can make some packages and test it, if there's no problems we can probably upload whenever.  does amarok need changes?
[17:53] <jefferai> yes, Amarok will need changes
[17:53] <jefferai> so I need to try to coordinate
[17:53] <nixternal> is anyone else having the usb probs that rgreening noted? I need to get an iso on a stick so I can get a working machine besides this netbook :)
[17:53] <claydoh> nixternal: haiku has its first alpha out, tho i have hardware incompatibilities with it so far :?
[17:53] <Riddelll> jefferai: I'll let you know when we've been able to test packages
[17:54] <nixternal> i should check it out again
[17:54] <jefferai> ok
[17:54] <jefferai> how many days, do you think?
[17:54] <Riddelll> jefferai: tomorrow or monday I think
[17:54] <jefferai> OK
[17:54] <jefferai> I'll tell the packagers on the list that I will be pushing the changes into Amarok on Tues
[17:54] <jefferai> gives them several days to get taglib-1.6 and taglib-extras-1.0 in tree
[17:55] <jefferai> (you're the only one in feature freeze that I know of, so it won't be as big a deal for them)
[17:57] <nixternal> Keybuk FTW! just in case you all didn't realize it yet
[17:58] <yuriy> nixternal: nope! no encrypted disks
[18:45] <rgreening> ScottK: can you verify the usb sticks show up in your system via device notifier (under latest karmic). If so, can you get me a list of your installed packages? I believe I have a missing package or something.
[18:45] <ScottK> rgreening: In a meeting, but yes.
[18:46] <rgreening> ScottK: ty. Im ever so grateful
[18:46] <rgreening> Im thinking its HAL related
[18:51] <Nightrose> jefferai: Riddelll: remember that tagging of rc is on monday
[18:51] <jefferai> wait wut?
[18:52] <Nightrose> if we really want to depend on new taglib we should get that in before RC
[18:52] <jefferai> or release an RC2
[18:52] <Nightrose> then we will miss karmic
[18:52] <Nightrose> and fedora
[18:53] <jefferai> I could commit the changes now, but I don't have mp4 files to test with
[18:53] <jefferai> nor audible/real
[18:55] <jefferai> Nightrose: anyways -- then I'll commit this stuff ASAP, and tell the packagers to fix it ASAP :-)
[18:55] <Nightrose> thx :)
[18:56] <jefferai> but this depends upon really knowing that the exception will be granted
[18:59] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Is there anything we can to for knds to make it so Firefox fonts aren't huge on a netbook?
[19:01] <nixternal> YES!!! I have been wanting to blow those large fonts up
[19:01] <yuriy> that wouldn't be very helpful :P
[19:03] <nixternal> haha, I mean, blow them up and get rid of them, not blow them up to make them larger...though that would be funny to do :)
[19:06] <ScottK> apachelogger: I tried the Firefox installer for my Alpha 6 test reinstall and it worked very nicely.
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: The UI elements apart from web content should use KDE settings if QtCurve is in use, but HTML font settings seem different
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> you'd probably have to mess with Firefox's settings
[19:58] <ScottK> Ugh.
[19:58] <ScottK> apachelogger: You're the Firefox expert here.  Any ideas how we deal with ^^^
[20:23] <markey> free hugs for the first packager to provide taglib 1.6 and taglib-extras 1.0!
[20:23] <markey> who could resist? :)
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> HAL seems pretty busted here, any KDE app I start goes like:
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> QStringList Solid::Backends::Hal::HalManager::findDeviceByDeviceInterface(const Solid::DeviceInterface::Type&)  error:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown"
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> plus autodetection don't work
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> hal's upstart script is broken, I guess
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> hal is not running
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: ^I think I found the problem (no clue how to fix, tho)
[21:07] <rgreening> ooo oooo ooooohhhh
[21:07] <rgreening> what?
[21:07] <rgreening> hmm....
[21:07] <rgreening> let me see if my hal is running
[21:08] <rgreening> my hald is running here
[21:09] <rgreening> it just doesn't report the usb drives
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> mine wasn't. "start hal" from the command line worked
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> now let's see if we can autodetect usb devices...
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> yup, works like a charm now
[21:10] <rgreening> fu :(
[21:10] <rgreening> haha
[21:10] <rgreening> my system wont detect them at all
[21:11] <rgreening> gdiath
[21:11] <rgreening> :S
[21:11] <rgreening> i dun wanna re-installl!!!!!!!!!!!
[22:23] <ScottK> FYI everyone (UDS) http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/09/15/uds-update/
[22:36] <rgreening> uds whee
[22:36] <rgreening> I need my coat
[22:37] <cbr> hmm.. i wonder if it's known that since the new upstart stuff KMS fails
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> Somebody with powarz needs to put up an alpha 6 story on kubuntu.org
[22:52] <rgreening> not me. If I wrote it it wouldnt' be pretty atm..Im in grr land
[22:52] <rgreening> stupid no usb auto detect grumble grr grumble
[22:53] <cbr> my smartcard reader doesnt work in karmic at the moment :(
[22:53] <cbr> which is extremely unwelcome
[22:58] <rgreening> cbr is it the reader driver isn't working or that it doesn't auto mount/detect in the device notifier?
[22:59] <cbr> uhm..
[22:59] <cbr> lsusb sees the reader
[22:59] <cbr> but pkcs15-tool says no card present
[23:00] <cbr> so possibly it isnt recognizing the card being put it or smth?
[23:02] <rgreening> cbr do you see /dev links for it?
[23:02] <rgreening> cbr also, does it show up in dmesg?
[23:03] <cbr> the device
[23:03] <cbr> ?
[23:04] <rgreening> yes, like /dev/mmc....
[23:04] <cbr> it's an usb device imo
[23:04] <cbr> built-in though
[23:04] <rgreening> do you have a card in it?
[23:05] <rgreening> if so, it will have a device file and partition dev file associated
[23:05] <rgreening> I have an issue where everything works, it just doesn't show up in the notifier. Some hal/solid breakage
[23:06] <cbr> uhm
[23:06] <cbr> i dont even know what the /dev node for the reader is
[23:07] <rgreening> look in dmesg... insert a memory chip in the reader and look at dmesg again. see what shows up new
[23:07] <rgreening> if anything...
[23:07] <cbr> Bus 007 Device 004: ID 0b97:7772 O2 Micro, Inc. OZ776 CCID Smartcard Reader
[23:07] <cbr> $ ls /dev/bus/usb/007/004
[23:07] <cbr> /dev/bus/usb/007/004
[23:07] <cbr> dmesg shows nothing
[23:07] <cbr> it never did imo
[23:07] <cbr> it's not a memory chip
[23:07] <cbr> it's a smartcard
[23:07] <rgreening> oh.. duh
[23:07] <cbr> it uses opensc
[23:07] <rgreening> my bad
[23:08]  * rgreening shots self in head
[23:19] <Riddelll> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/karmic-alpha-6
[23:19] <Riddelll> at last
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[23:24] <rickspencer3> "should be treated with caution"
[23:24] <rickspencer3> lol
[23:24] <rickspencer3> for sure
[23:30] <rgreening> definately not worded cautiously enough :)
[23:30] <rgreening> hah
[23:31] <rgreening> need blinking stop signs and such
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[23:34] <rgreening> awesome
[23:35]  * rgreening needs to re-install if he cant get usb autodetect working otherwise cant dev usb-creator further
[23:36]  * claydoh has finally joined the ranks of ssh users after nearly 10 years of linux
[23:37] <rgreening> lol
[23:37]  * claydoh will begin coding KDE apps in about 50 years :)
[23:37] <rgreening> personally, I like to shh! users :)
[23:38] <claydoh> so now I have a good use for this 1998 vintage laptop